[00:04] <Raydiation> wow
[00:04] <Raydiation> just booting karmic
[00:04] <Raydiation> red blue and white clusters
[00:05] <dodecanese> yeah thats funny
[00:05] <dodecanese> your ubuntu is over the jordan
[00:06] <Twigaathy> meep, 119 updates
[00:06]  * Twigaathy should update more often!
[00:06] <dodecanese> i updated today, 2GB downloaded
[00:06] <BUGabundo> Twigaathy: right now I'm only doing it once or maybe twice a day
[00:07] <dodecanese> i do it twice a day, but my wife said its ok
[00:07] <Twigaathy> well, for the last 3 days I've been fiddling with raid and didn't want to update *anything* :)
[00:25] <Raydiation> hehe i try if gentoo or arch works
[00:25] <Raydiation> its an amd phenom quadcore 3.2
[00:25] <Raydiation> comiling on this machine will rock
[00:27] <dotblank> why is pidgin being replaced?
[00:28] <scizzo-> dotblank: the reason is mentioned on www.ubuntu.com/testing
[00:28] <dodecanese> cause swineflu
[00:28] <dodecanese> pidgin sounds to much like pigs, thats why they stripped it from the release
[00:29] <dotblank> wait
[00:29] <scizzo-> dodecanese: mind the language a little please
[00:29] <dotblank> I thought they were doing away with dbus?
[00:30] <dotblank> w/e one reason I saw was lack for video support
[00:30] <dotblank> yet it was added in 2.6.1
[01:02] <codeamuk> how stable/unstable is karmic alpha4?  thinking of doing a fresh install.
[01:02] <BUGabundo> codeamuk: it's a devel
[01:02] <BUGabundo> anything can happen
[01:02] <BUGabundo> and get a daily
[01:03] <BUGabundo> better then Alpha4
[01:03] <codeamuk> will do, thx
[01:03] <BUGabundo> !daily
[01:05] <codeamuk> but no big issues atm?
[01:05] <BUGabundo> none that I can recall
[01:05] <BUGabundo> other then the unfixed ones
[01:05] <codeamuk> :)
[01:06] <BUGabundo> like no autologin
[01:06] <BUGabundo> some audio probs
[01:06] <BUGabundo> some e-sata probs
[01:06] <BUGabundo> etc
[01:06] <codeamuk> ok, thx.  no worries just want to test on a non-production box.
[01:07] <BUGabundo> ok
[01:17] <mtecknology> I upgraded to Karmic and when I try to boot I get a message saying something about searching for encrypted devices but just sits there and waits.
[01:20] <BUGabundo> mtecknology: tryied crl+c ?
[01:21] <mtecknology> BUGabundo: no change - the system is on an encrypted partition
[01:22] <BUGabundo> ahh
[01:22] <BUGabundo> no help from me
[01:22] <BUGabundo> I just use encfs
[01:22] <mtecknology> Begin: Waiting for encrypted source device... ...
[01:22] <dodecanese> why the heck is gconf2-d using so much cpu?
[01:22] <dodecanese> it continously uses 22 percent of m cpu without any reason
[01:22] <BUGabundo> dodecanese: no idea
[01:22] <BUGabundo> I have it too some times
[01:23] <BUGabundo> some say its metacity running over compiz
[01:23] <BUGabundo> if you have compiz try to kill metacity
[01:23] <dodecanese> metacity?
[01:23] <dodecanese> wait
[01:24] <scizzo-> its something when trying to start compiz and it fails
[01:24] <scizzo-> killing metacity and starting it again helps with that
[01:24] <dodecanese> sounds like a spaghetti code sausage
[01:24] <mtecknology> BUGabundo: this sucks :( - I can reinstall but I created ~4 docs I don't want to have to rewrite
[01:25] <BUGabundo> mtecknology: boot from a jaunty livecd/usb?
[01:25] <scizzo-> there is a bug report on the metacity+compiz problem
[01:25] <mtecknology> what would I do though?
[01:26] <mtecknology> hrm.......
[01:26] <BUGabundo> mtecknology: backup?
[01:27] <mtecknology> ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxx does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
[01:27] <mtecknology> I believe I now know what to do from thge live cd
[01:28] <BUGabundo> ok
[01:28] <BUGabundo> good
[01:28] <BUGabundo> cause I can't help you any further
[01:28] <BUGabundo> its above my expertise
[01:28] <bjsnider> that may mean the fstab entry for that disk is incorrect
[01:29] <bjsnider> check the uuid in that file against the ones listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid
[01:29] <mtecknology> now... if I have a live cd....... my cd case is at a friends house
[01:29] <BUGabundo> heeheh
[01:30] <BUGabundo> *always* cary a backup cd or usb
[01:30] <BUGabundo> running a devel version without it is Crime
[01:30] <BUGabundo> punishable with Data Loss
[01:30] <DanaG> If you know the device path, you can just edit the boot line to go root=/dev/sdwhatever
[01:31] <mtecknology> hoping that's all that needs to be done...
[01:31] <mtecknology> 1% dloaded
[01:32]  * DanaG uses truecrypt -- I don't want the risk of full-disk encryption.
[01:34] <mtecknology> Somebody wanted to see me encrypt something 5 different times - so I proved it's possible and just stuck w/ the encryption of the drive
[01:35] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:35] <BUGabundo> not sure you won't that bet
[01:35] <mtecknology> why not?
[01:35] <mtecknology> just broke upgrading to an unstable release
[01:36] <mtecknology> encrypted drive, encrypted home, truecrypt, hidden volume, gpg - I won ;)
[01:36] <mtecknology> 2%
[01:37] <DanaG> Encrypted drive?  how's that step done?
[01:40] <mtecknology> DanaG: why not?
[01:41] <DanaG> huh?
[01:41] <DanaG> you mean to ask BUGabundo that?
[01:41] <BUGabundo> no
[01:41] <BUGabundo> no me
[01:41] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:41] <mtecknology> [19:37] <DanaG> Encrypted drive?  how's that step done?
[01:41] <mtecknology> oh....
[01:41] <DanaG> yeah, the answer "why not?" doesn't make sense there.
[01:42] <mtecknology> mind: s/one/done/
[01:42] <mtecknology> encrypted partition
[01:43] <mtecknology> only thing not encrypted is /boot and /vm - I told him if I wanted I could put /boot on a sd disk
[01:43] <DanaG> ah.
[01:43] <DanaG> If I wanted a secure drive, I could just use an ATA password, couldn't I?
[01:44] <DanaG> Or is that not enough?
[01:45] <mtecknology> 3% :D
[01:45] <mtecknology> how do you do that?
[01:45] <mtecknology> don't you need a special drive>?
[01:46] <DanaG> All drives nowadays should support it; what matters more is that the system BIOS supports it.
[01:46] <DanaG> google for ATA security.
[01:47] <mtecknology> I'll do that
[01:48] <mtecknology> DanaG: got it
[02:08] <BUGabundo> im off to bed. cu tommorow
[02:11] <DanaG> i wonder why BUGabundo's name appears italic in pidgin.
[02:41] <andresmh> I'm trying to play a DVD and the sound is choppy to the point that it's unbearable. Any ideas on what I could fiddle with?
[02:52] <andresmh> I'm trying to play a DVD and the sound is choppy to the point that it's unbearable. Any ideas on what I could fiddle with?
[02:53] <IdleOne> yeah but it wont fix your sound lol
[02:55]  * Dr_Willis wonders what kind of dvd's IdleOne 's been watching. :P
[02:55] <IdleOne> haha
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> Time to test out the kubuntu netbook edition of 9.10.
[02:56] <IdleOne> wish more people would seed the alternate cd
[02:56] <IdleOne> 8 hours to go
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> I normally dont try the torrents till its actually released. Never seemed to be enough seeders testing the alphas
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> but on the day of release.. thats when i can REALLY see how fast my torrents can get. :)
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> I was thinking  the whole cd took under 10 min last time.
[03:00] <IdleOne> well torrent is available so i figure save canonical the bandwidth
[03:00] <IdleOne> but I'm starting to rethink
[03:01] <Dr_Willis> Yea. with all the variants and changes , its  proberly easier to just get the thing direct
[03:01] <Dr_Willis> its sad when ya see people still seeding  the Earlier releases.. because they dont know any better. :)
[04:13] <xim_>  how come when i went from karmic alpha to jaunty there is a different version of ktorrent?
[04:13] <xim_> do different ubuntus install different versions of software from packages with the same name?
[04:15] <leaf-sheep> How do one goes from karmic alpha to jaunty? o.o
[04:16] <DanaG> The quick answer: you don't.
[04:16] <DanaG> It is possible....... but it's very highly inadvisable.
[04:19] <xim_> its pretty easy, format....install jaunty
[04:20] <xim_> karmic just kept rotting away on me
[04:20] <DanaG> Or better: restore from backups.
[04:20] <xim_> first my sound stopped working, except garbled sound only from the mozilla flash plugin and no other application
[04:21] <xim_> then i closed a program once and it erased all my panel icons...
[04:21] <xim_> xorg would crash spontaneously
[04:21] <xim_> but thats the risk of playing with an alpha
[04:21] <xim_> wierd how sensless the problems i got were tho
[04:22] <arand> btw, are we supposed to have flickerless boot by KK? (since the new gdm could well give you epilepsy)
[04:22] <xim_> but anyway i dont get why different ubuntus install different ktorrent clients
[04:31] <Dragnslcr> xim_- you don't understand why a newer version of Ubuntu would have a newer version of specific program?
[04:32] <xim_> no dont they all link to metapackages of the newest version of whatever program it is?
[04:33] <Dragnslcr> No
[04:33] <Dragnslcr> Each version of Ubuntu has its own set of repositories
[04:33] <xim_> still, its not like the new ktorrent is TOO AWSOME to run on jaunty
[04:34] <xim_> *but i didnt know that
[04:34] <Dragnslcr> First, if they all used the same repositories, there wouldn't be a point to releasing new versions
[04:34] <bjsnider> second, not everything plays nicely together like it should
[04:35] <bjsnider> sometimes program x will break program y
[04:35] <Dragnslcr> Second, you generally don't want to change to new major versions of programs in the middle of an Ubuntu version. Most people want at least a little stability in their operating system
[04:36] <xim_> i guess
[04:36] <xim_> im 75% convinced ;p
[04:37] <xim_> it seems like a crummier version of ktorrent than was on my ubuntu hardy.  but crummy is in the eye of the beholder i spose
[04:40] <bjsnider> well, maybe ktorrent is going 100 miles per hour in the wrong direction
[04:42] <xim_> possible
[04:42] <xim_> possibly
[04:42] <xim_> possiblie
[04:43] <xim_> where nothing can possiblie go wrong....possibly go wrong....thats the first thing thats ever gone wrong
[05:47] <douglasawh_> sorry for the reconnections, am tryint to get quassel to give me the correct username automatically
[05:59] <robert__> what will the new theme look like?
[06:00] <robert__> what will the new theme look like?
[09:53] <DarthArachides> can anyone tell me what flie provides gnome-power-cmd.sh?
[09:53] <DarthArachides> apt-file doesn't turn up anything
[09:55] <x1250> DarthArachides, tried dpkg -S /path/to/gnome-power-cmd.sh ? I don't see it on my system tho.
[09:56] <DarthArachides> x1250: I don't have the file on my system, but I swear I had it on jaunty.
[09:59] <x1250> DarthArachides, dropped (debian/rules section): https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-July/005207.html
[10:00] <DarthArachides> x1250: oh that's sad. I wonder what the alternatives are.
[10:01] <x1250> no idea :(
[10:02] <DarthArachides> x1250: thanks for your help!
[10:27] <fabe> hi where should I best post an issue for recently broken sound with Realtek ALC888 on a Gigabyte MA74GM-S2H ?
[10:30] <BUGabundo> fabe: hi. define broken?
[10:31] <fabe> sound worked and after an update it didnt
[10:31] <BUGabundo> is it muted?
[10:31] <fabe> im not sure if it was a kernel update
[10:31] <BUGabundo> prob
[10:31] <fabe> no
[10:31] <BUGabundo> kernel is chaning that a lot
[10:32] <BUGabundo> do you have pavucontrol?
[10:32] <fabe> ?
[10:32] <BUGabundo> open it and see if any source is too low
[10:32] <fabe> i cant check now
[10:32] <fabe> but ive done that
[10:33] <BUGabundo> ok
[10:33] <BUGabundo> file a bug and ping dtchen on it
[10:33] <fabe> i screwed up my drivers when i tried to install the newest from realtech
[10:33] <BUGabundo> fabe:  $ ubuntu-bug alsa-core
[10:33] <BUGabundo> I think that's it
[10:33] <BUGabundo> don't. PLEASE don't do that
[10:33] <BUGabundo> there are too many things working together here.
[10:33] <fabe> i know that now aswell ;)
[10:34] <BUGabundo> 3rd party drivers will just make it a mess
[10:34] <BUGabundo> just file a bug and wait for dtchen to become active, and help you triage it
[10:34] <BUGabundo> I may join #ubuntu-audio-help
[10:34] <fabe> on launchpad?
[10:34] <BUGabundo> fabe:  $ ubuntu-bug alsa-core
[10:34] <BUGabundo> either that or
[10:34] <BUGabundo> fabe:  $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[10:35] <fabe> $ ubuntu-bug ?
[10:35] <fabe> url?
[10:37] <BUGabundo> no need
[10:37] <BUGabundo> just run it on the cli, hence the '$'
[10:37] <BUGabundo> open a terminal and write it
[10:37] <BUGabundo> ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[10:38] <BUGabundo> it will collect all require data, and then send you to LP with it attached
[10:38] <fabe> k
[10:38] <fabe> thx
[10:40] <x1250> uhm, strange, my cpu is at 71ºC and fan speeds are not at max. Any way to control fan speeds?
[10:41] <BUGabundo> x1250: with newest kernel?
[10:41] <BUGabundo> what motherboard and chipset?
[10:41] <BUGabundo> and yes, I can echo a value to /proc/*/cpufans
[10:43] <x1250> BUGabundo, 2.6.31-6-generic, Intel 945GM on a DELL Inspiron.
[10:43] <x1250> ok thanks
[10:51] <rajeev> hi guys
[10:51] <BUGabundo> hey rajeev
[10:52] <rajeev> yesterday update killed my display
[10:52] <rajeev> irssi to the rescue :)
[10:52] <rajeev> no module named nvidia
[10:53] <BUGabundo> yeah
[10:53] <BUGabundo> others have complained about that too
[10:53] <BUGabundo> try to upgrade again, and make sure DKMS runs
[10:54] <BUGabundo> rajeev: $ sudo aptitude update
[10:54] <BUGabundo> rajeev: $ sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[10:54] <BUGabundo> and *good* luck
[10:54] <rajeev> am just trying to install nvidia again
[10:54] <rajeev> then ill try full-upgrade
[10:54] <rajeev> thanks
[10:55] <rajeev> i have twitchy fingers,i read about this breakage but still went aheaad and did upgrade :D
[10:55] <BUGabundo> yeah I did to and made my way
[10:55] <BUGabundo> I guess the module jump requires full upgrade
[10:56] <BUGabundo> a simple upgrade is just removing the old modules
[10:56] <rajeev> yeah could you tell me what is this new upgrade about?
[10:56] <rajeev> ok got display heh
[10:57] <rajeev> just installed nvidia
[10:57] <rajeev> let me go check the upgrades again
[10:57] <rajeev> fro m a GUI :)
[10:57] <rajeev> bye,how to quit irssi?
[10:57] <BUGabundo> GUI is for the weak
[10:57] <rajeev> exit
[10:57] <rajeev> damn
[10:57] <BUGabundo> CLI is for beard guys and harry chicks :)
[10:58] <BUGabundo> guess he hasn't enough bear
[10:58] <BUGabundo> lol
[10:58]  * BUGabundo enjoys quiet time and goes back to reading feeds
[11:12] <leaf-sheep> BUGabundo: Is it true? :P
[11:13] <BUGabundo> leaf-sheep: is nt it ?
[11:13] <leaf-sheep> BUGabundo: I know this is silly -- but I'm just curious about something. I read an article X weeks ago about robust boot time.  Is it getting there? :)
[11:14] <leaf-sheep> Probably not -- but that's a good goal.
[11:14] <nacho_> Hi
[11:14] <nacho_> I'm having a look at libvte deps, shouldn't it depend on glade-ui?
[11:15] <nacho_> as it provides the catalog for glade and in the configure.ac file it searchs for it
[11:15] <BUGabundo> leaf-sheep: well moblin can get a really fast boot
[11:15] <BUGabundo> and *we* as a generic distro are cutting it down too, just not as much
[11:15] <BUGabundo> karmic+1 should provide ~10 sec boots for most users
[11:15] <BUGabundo> now we just need to cut down on the time *after* login :)
[11:16] <BUGabundo> nacho_: prob not the right channel to ask
[11:16] <BUGabundo> try #ubuntu-devel
[11:16] <nacho_> ok
[11:16] <BUGabundo> but be warned: its weekend :)
[11:16] <SwedeMike> BUGabundo: time after login is nothing when you run from ssd :P
[11:16] <leaf-sheep> Isn't Moblin for netbooks?
[11:17] <SwedeMike> windows is the same way, like 5x shorter time when running from ssd
[11:18] <BUGabundo> leaf-sheep: you can run it on pretty much anything
[11:18] <BUGabundo> SwedeMike: when was the last time you looked at an hacked bootchart?
[11:18] <BUGabundo> you will see the login time is too much
[11:18] <BUGabundo> we need to cut that down
[11:19] <BUGabundo> here are some of mine
[11:19] <BUGabundo> http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/karmic/
[11:19] <BUGabundo> need to upload new ones
[11:19] <SwedeMike> I havent done anything like that, no
[11:20] <leaf-sheep> BUGabundo: Too small.
[11:20] <SwedeMike> just noticed that my default ubuntu boots to usable state from when I type "enter" on my password prompt, in a few seconds
[11:20] <leaf-sheep> BUGabundo: Images, I mean.  I can't even read the text. :<
[11:20] <BUGabundo> leaf-sheep: leaglly blind?
[11:21] <leaf-sheep> BUGabundo: No. Legally deaf though.
[11:21] <BUGabundo> ahaa
[11:21] <leaf-sheep> Irony. :P
[11:21] <leaf-sheep> But yeah, I can't see it. I think the images got resized or something.  You really can see it just fine?
[11:22] <BUGabundo> click on them
[11:22] <BUGabundo> they will grow to full size
[11:22] <leaf-sheep> BUGabundo: I did.  Same resolution.
[11:22] <BUGabundo> or download it, and zoom at will
[11:23] <leaf-sheep> BUGabundo: Yeah. That worked just great.  80 seconds?
[11:24] <leaf-sheep> No... 90.
[11:24] <leaf-sheep> Wow.
[11:25] <BUGabundo> no no
[11:25] <BUGabundo> that's HOW long I set the spleep
[11:25] <BUGabundo> gdm is like 19 secs
[11:26] <BUGabundo> and an extra 20/30 for usable desktop
[11:28] <leaf-sheep> BUGabundo: Ahh I see.  Btw, I found something today that I thought this would benefit me next time I reinstall for no particular reason. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1155961
[11:29] <leaf-sheep> I don't know if that'll be useful for you and your goal of shaving times.
[11:30] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:30] <jonathonf> hmm, i might have to try that
[11:30] <leaf-sheep> It's nice though.  Start with scratch a bit.... Oh noes.  No bluetooth, then I'd have to install that.  As oppose to having bluetooths by default. :)
[11:31] <jonathonf> is the minimal cd the netinstall?
[11:32] <BUGabundo> jonathonf: well no
[11:32] <leaf-sheep> No. It's... minimal cd..
[11:32] <jonathonf> ah found it
[11:32] <BUGabundo> but minimal need net to install more stuff
[11:32] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:32] <BUGabundo> jonathonf: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[11:34]  * jonathonf loads up virtualbox
[11:42] <leaf-sheep> jonathonf: Doing it for jaunty or karmic?
[11:43] <BUGabundo> bluetooth is soooo broken
[11:43] <BUGabundo> who wants to join me in putting our hands around asac neck ? :)
[11:55] <jonathonf> ah hell - how do i get the mini iso to bring up virtualbox's networking? it's saying the network is configured (dhcp) but it won't ping out
[11:57] <BUGabundo> jonathonf: host only connection needed
[11:58] <BUGabundo> to connect from HOST to GUEST
[11:58] <BUGabundo> bridge won't work, only accessible from LAN
[11:58] <jonathonf> thanks, trying it now
[11:58] <BUGabundo> yeah very confusing
[11:58] <BUGabundo> when VMWare makes it so much easier
[12:01] <leaf-sheep> jonathonf: Answer my question.  Damnnit.  Jaunty or Karmic? ;o
[12:01] <leaf-sheep> Meh. You should do both side. Default Karmic vs Slim Karmic.
[12:01] <jonathonf> leaf-sheep: which question? i think i'm missing some stuff when i had a powercut
[12:02] <leaf-sheep> jonathonf: Testing that minimal setup with minimal iso for Jaunty or Karmic.
[12:02] <jonathonf> ah right; karmic
[12:02] <jonathonf> yay, network came up. had to use bridged.
[12:05] <Skiessi> there used to be some Sessions box in the configuration tools...
[12:06] <Skiessi> How can I make X-Chat start when starting Gnome?
[12:06] <jonathonf> startup programs
[12:06] <Skiessi> ehm
[12:06] <Skiessi> oh... there
[12:08] <jonathonf> ;)
[12:10] <Skiessi> thanks
[12:11] <leaf-sheep> Does Minimal CDs get updated or not really since they pull in packages from servers.
[12:13] <BUGabundo> leaf-sheep: I should pull most OS from archives
[12:23] <leaf-sheep> I'm tearing apart here... Deciding if I want a silver or black case for mini-itx. :\
[12:34] <jonathonf> black
[12:47] <Trewas> somebody has not been reading HIG when designing new gdm in karmic, at first sight it looks like only options are to restart and shutdown
[12:48] <leaf-sheep> Black --> http://tinyurl.com/os4ld9   ;  Silver --> http://tinyurl.com/kj3ro6
[12:48] <leaf-sheep> jonathonf: ^^
[12:50] <jonathonf> i'd still go for black as it tends to blend in better with consumer equipment, bu tthen the silver is less likely to show scratches
[12:51] <leaf-sheep> jonathonf: Brushed Metal. :>
[12:51] <leaf-sheep> I have that on my laptop too.  My laptop is silver brushed metal/black.
[12:51] <leaf-sheep> I thought of it as a nice combo. :)
[12:52] <leaf-sheep> Then again, I'm standing in a fork.  Deciding.
[12:52] <leaf-sheep> I don't know but I think black are overrated now.  Look at consumer equipments.  It seems like the silver stands out longer. Hmm.
[12:53] <leaf-sheep> jonathonf: Karmic Mini install grub2 or lilo for you? I'm doing it at the moment but I sworn I saw a package 'lilo' during the base process.
[12:59] <jonathonf> not sure, setting up the minimal desktop stuff at the mo
[13:18] <jonathonf> leaf-sheep: just checked (install finished) and it's grub2 (grub-pc 1.96)
[13:22] <leaf-sheep> jonathonf: Yup. I checked that too.
[13:25] <AlanBell> is there any plan to put telepathy-idle into main/default install?
[13:25] <AlanBell> so that empathy has IRC support. Otherwise there is no IRC client out of the box
[13:26] <jonathonf> just got into X. wow. memory usage is 80MB.
[13:28] <leaf-sheep> jonathonf: Is that good?  What's the usual?
[13:30] <leaf-sheep> jonathonf: And what's the command for that?
[13:31] <jonathonf> my laptop starts at about 500MB, though there are a load of startup apps (e.g. gnome-do)
[13:31] <jonathonf> just checked in system monitor
[13:31] <SwedeMike> swmike@swm-laptop:~$ ps auxw | grep X
[13:31] <SwedeMike> root      3270  3.6  8.2 493280 253432 tty7    Ss+  Aug20 114:10 /usr/X11R6/bin/X
[13:31] <SwedeMike> I've seen it take up to 2 gigs after a month or so
[13:34] <leaf-sheep> SwedeMike: root      3174  4.0  3.4 219220 106560 tty7
[13:51] <Trewas> I wonder if it is perfectly normal that gconfd-2 is wasting about 25% of the cpu all the time, maybe it is folding proteins or something?
[13:52] <jonathonf> it's not normal
[13:52] <Trewas> I did not find a bug about that but I think I have seen others mention that here
[13:52] <jonathonf> get a terminal open
[13:52] <jonathonf> killall metacity
[13:52] <jonathonf> metacity --replace
[13:53] <Trewas> ok, that fixed it
[13:56] <IdleOne> yesterday I did a upgrade to karmic and system was unusable after reboot. Complete freeze once the desktop loaded, so I tried a fresh install and had the same issue except at the login screen. I decided to not pursue the matter and I'll wait for a couple more weeks before trying again
[13:56] <penguin42> IdleOne: It might be worth reporting a bug on it anyway; if lots of people are seeing this it would be good for the devs to know
[13:56] <IdleOne> penguin42: yes I wil do that now
[13:57] <penguin42> make sure you describe all your hardware
[14:05] <IdleOne> penguin42: anything else besides lspci I should give?
[14:06] <scizzo-> penguin42: there is a bug about it
[14:06] <penguin42> hmm there's probably some instructions somewhere saying what to include; if you have jaunty working on it I'd include a dmesg (stating it's off jaunty)
[14:07] <scizzo-> !bug 390733
[14:08] <penguin42> scizzo-: You don't know if that's the problem IdleOne is seing
[14:09] <scizzo-> nope
[14:09] <scizzo-> all I am saying is to look for a report before doing a new one
[14:09] <IdleOne> in that report it suggest he can get to terminal to kill gconfd-2
[14:09] <penguin42> scizzo-: The bug is a bit weird as well; I mean gconf-d might eat CPU but it's only bad hardware that fails under 100% cpu
[14:09] <IdleOne> my system totaly becomes unresponsive
[14:09] <scizzo-> !bug 389686
[14:13] <Trewas> scizzo-: thanks for pointing out those bugs, no need to file a new one as it's known... and matt zimmerman has commented on one of those, so I can be fairly certain it will be looked after :)
[14:14] <scizzo-> well from what I can see is that all of those bugs are the same issue all the way...since one of them is noted to the gnome-bugs this should be a upstream metacity error
[14:15]  * penguin42 doesn't seem to have that; I guess it might be with compiz only
[14:15] <scizzo-> penguin42: not sure
[14:15] <scizzo-> penguin42: those are interesting bugs though
[14:15] <Trewas> I don't use compiz and gconfd is not always wasting cpu, maybe it only happens after suspend
[14:21] <scizzo-> anyone that has come across the error of panel running when trying to run gnome-shell though? mine crashes directly
[14:23] <jonathonf> scizzo-: it's a conflict between xulrunner versions
[14:24] <jonathonf> remove xulrunner-1.9 and it should work
[14:25] <scizzo-> jonathonf: will give it a try
[14:26] <scizzo-> jonathonf: nice thanks
[14:27] <jonathonf> np, saw it in the forums
[14:28] <penguin42> why? Does gnome-shell use xul?
[14:30] <scizzo-> penguin42: yes
[14:47] <giles_> Is is possible to configure gdm so that the user logo is the photo in account information
[14:48] <giles_> instead of the grey cluedo man?
[14:49]  * penguin42 remembers many years ago that some of the xdm logon things would use an image file in your home directoryh
[14:51] <giles_> penguin42: It seems to make sense to me that if you set your user photo, other apps (like gdm and pidgin) would use it.
[14:51] <giles_> I was thinking of making a FR.
[14:51] <penguin42> giles_: Yeh sounds reasonable
[14:52]  * scizzo- remember trying tvwm
[14:52] <scizzo-> hehe
[14:55] <giles_> penguin42: I can't find any features like it in gnome bugzilla
[14:55]  * penguin42 wonders if it's a generic Gnomeism or something ubuntu specific?  I suspect it's generci
[14:55] <penguin42> ic
[15:03] <giles_> penguin42: I don't know if its can be done via configuration, or whether it would have to be a feature of gdm/gnome
[15:04] <penguin42> giles_: No I don't know - put a bug report in?
[15:05] <qense> is there a good guide for bridging your network for use with a VM? I can't find anything good, everything that seems to work doesn't show up in virt-manager
[15:05] <qense> I'm asking here because I use karmic
[15:06] <giles_> qense: virtualbox?
[15:06] <qense> kvm
[15:06] <qense> is it easier with virtualbox?
[15:06] <eMyller_> for curious about kde: http://tr.im/kdescreenshots :)
[15:06] <giles_> you just choose a bridged network type in the gui
[15:07] <qense> that's the problem: in libvirt applications bridged networks don't show up
[15:07] <giles_> qense: I don't have any experience with kvm sorry.
[15:08] <qense> thanks anyway for your suggestion
[15:18] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[15:19] <penguin42> Hi
[15:22] <kaddi> hi
[15:53] <durt> what's with the distribution upgrade?
[15:59] <kaddi> whats with it?
[16:02] <durt> had an issue with a couple of kde packages last night, I'm running Xubuntu, only needed them for K3B, so removed, now I started update manager, it asks to do a partial distribution upgrade? what gives?
[16:03] <scizzo-> durt: broken dependencies
[16:05] <durt> then why ask to remove 3 packages and bring in 71 new packages?  most of which are stuff I removed a long time ago, not related to the kde package conflict.
[16:05] <scizzo-> maybe they are replaced by other packages
[16:06] <scizzo-> durt: run a: sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade to check package list and so on
[16:06] <scizzo-> durt: this is a very common case when it comes to deps changes and so on
[16:08] <durt> yes, I know. Maybe I'm not familiar with update manager, I would have thought that this would have been taken care of with a regular update, not a 'partial distro upgrade', now I have to get rid of bluez, brasero and all the other carp I hate :(
[16:09] <durt> *crap
[16:09] <scizzo-> I like brasero....nothing wrong with it
[16:10] <durt> I seem to have hardware issues, hence using K3B or Xfburn.
[16:12] <scizzo-> ok
[16:20] <jonathonf> grr... keep getting apps crashing with things like "CRITICAL:root:Duplicate object id 'alignment3'" This is a bit annoying
[16:42]  * penguin42 really needs to turn off graphical smileys; they don't work well with object paths like that 
[16:42] <scizzo-> penguin42: ?
[16:42] <scizzo-> penguin42: in what?
[16:42] <penguin42> jonathonf's comment above
[16:43]  * penguin42 got a big fat smiley between root and uplicate
[16:43] <scizzo-> penguin42: xchat?
[16:43] <jonathonf> lol
[16:43] <penguin42> pidgin
[16:44] <scizzo-> haha
[17:09] <dodecanese> my cat told me: she has to use word, but i only got open office
[17:09] <dodecanese> is it hard for her to change?
[17:10] <penguin42> maybe you can't teach an old cat new tricks?
[17:18] <BluesKaj> dodecanese, Open Office is supposed to be able to read Word documents,  http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org/tutorial/Microsoft_Word_Files.html
[17:47] <mac_v> hmm... if a partition is mounted by another user and has not been unmounted , will the partition not be visible?
[17:47] <mac_v> to others?
[17:48] <penguin42> I'd say it would normally be visible
[17:51] <burner> anyone know how to fix the cups-pdf printer?  It's supposed to go to ~/PDF, but nothing shows up there.  I've reinstalled cups-pdf and the printer shows fine, but no output
[18:21] <dodecanese> how cna i install KDE?
[18:21] <dodecanese> i got ubuntu, i want KDE and GNOME
[18:21] <kaddi> !kde
[18:22] <dodecanese> thanks
[18:22] <dodecanese> !kde4
[18:24] <jonathonf> i thought kde 4.3 was latest...
[18:25] <kaddi> it might need an update..
[18:33] <malnilion> Considering xorg.conf no longer exists, how would one manually go about enabling UXA acceleration?
[18:36] <hifi> xorg.conf
[18:36] <mobious> hey all
[18:36] <penguin42> malnilion: It doesn't stop you having an xorg.conf it just doesn't create one by default
[18:36] <malnilion> penguin42, noted, so I just add the appropriate devices section and options?
[18:37] <hifi> I think there is no way to change graphics driver settings than from a vendor panel (nvidia/ati) or xorg.conf
[18:37] <hifi> though the vendor panels probably output a xorg.conf
[18:37] <DanaG> hmm, UXA is Intel... should be on by default, shouldn't it?
[18:38] <BluesKaj> I still have an xorg.conf ...useless as it may be to edit with any success  ")
[18:38] <hifi> malnilion: minimalistic approach works, create a empty xorg.conf and add only the device section
[18:38] <malnilion> DanaG, I think there are issues with stability so by default it is not enabled.  I want to test Desktop Effects, though, dammit :P
[18:41] <mobious> could anyone point me to the right post .. just reinstalled and upgraded to karmic .. i get mouse and background then freeze after login ... cant find the right post with tty steps to fix this
[18:43] <malnilion> DanaG, I guess UXA might be "enabled" by default, but maybe I don't have Kernel Mode Setting enabled.
[18:44] <kaddi> kms IS enabled by default since alpha3
[18:44] <kaddi> sry about the capslock
[18:44] <penguin42> malnilion: grep for uxa in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:44] <DanaG> grep -i uxa
[18:44] <DanaG> i for "ignore case"
[18:44] <penguin42> indeed, the i's have it
[18:47] <malnilion> DanaG, (II) UXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
[18:47] <DanaG> That seems to indicate it being enabled.
[18:48] <penguin42> malnilion: Is your problem you can't do compiz?
[18:48] <malnilion> Yes.
[18:48] <penguin42> malnilion: What graphics hardware do you have?
[18:48] <malnilion> intel mobile 945GME, I believe
[18:48] <penguin42> malnilion: Me too; it seems to have got blacklisted or the like?
[18:49] <malnilion> Perhaps, but I've done some googling and people seem to have been able to get compiz working.
[18:49] <penguin42> on 945 on karmic?
[18:49] <malnilion> I've had trouble finding guides on how to get it enabled on karmic.
[18:50] <penguin42> it isn't clear to me if it's ment to be disabled because of some insability or if it's a bug
[18:51] <DanaG> try running 'compiz --replace &' in console.
[18:51] <malnilion> Huh, it says in that log that AIGLX is enabled as well.
[18:52] <malnilion> DanaG, hehe, that worked.
[18:52] <DanaG> hmm, so it looks like compiz is fine, then.
[18:52] <DanaG> oh, and to make it so compiz won'
[18:52] <malnilion> So should I kludge Gnome to run that on startup?
[18:52] <DanaG> won't end when you close the terminal, now run 'disown'.
[18:53] <DanaG> You should be able to use the gnome appearance thingy.  Just cancel the "searching for drivers" thing.
[18:53] <malnilion> Oh, okay.
[18:58] <meoblast001> hi
[18:58] <scizzo-> hello
[18:59] <meoblast001> will there by any chance be any more PulseAudio fixes in the next version of ubuntu?
[19:02] <BluesKaj> !pulseaudio
[19:09] <itswhatev> speaking of pa.. what do i need to do in order to capture the internal mix of the sound card?  for recordmydesktop or other similar
[19:18] <ubernoober> hey all can anyone help me ..hangs on login
[19:22] <kaddi> ubernoober: can you log into the tty?
[19:22] <ubernoober> yup im there now
[19:23] <kaddi> can you start the displaymanager from there? maybe you'll get an error message or something giving mor insight into the problem
[19:23] <ubernoober> startx?
[19:25] <ubernoober> gives errors .. fatal server error .. allready active for display 0
[19:27] <ubernoober> @kaddi the problem is known .. i juct cant find the post anymore ;[  think its intel 82830 gcc related
[19:28] <kaddi> ubernoober:  :( I've had my problems with intel as well. I know there a reps for updated X and such for jaunty, maybe the same exists for karmic and will help you?
[19:28] <ubernoober> boots fine no errors . login screen comes up , enter password and cursor spins then hangs there , mouse moves .. kb frozen
[19:29] <ubernoober> i had karmic up and running before this .. fixed the intel problem great  .. now im stuck @ login
[19:30] <kaddi> ubernoober: did you apply any updates that might have broken your install?
[19:31] <kaddi> (do you happen to have kde and gnome installed and could crosstest?)
[19:31] <ubernoober> its a fresh install jaunty updated , then upgraded , then updatemanager -d
[19:31] <kaddi> ubernoober: sorry I didn#t see your first question. I meant "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" if you are using gnome as default, "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart" if you are using kde
[19:32] <ubernoober> lastnight .. so nothing installed @ all
[19:32] <kaddi> to restart your displaymanager
[19:32] <ubernoober> ok will try
[19:32] <ubernoober> psgnome
[19:34] <ubernoober> command not found
[19:35] <ubernoober> nothing in caps?
[19:36] <kaddi> no, but I'm only really familiar with kde, so maybe the command is different for psgnome
[19:36] <ubernoober> gnome ..ps
[19:36] <kaddi> ah, lol, I was wondering.. had never heard of psgnome :p
[19:36] <ubernoober> ;p
[19:37] <DanaG> !info psgnome
[19:37] <ubernoober> ... lol!gnome
[19:38] <kaddi> ubernoober: are you sure that gnome is installed? (it did work on jaunty I suppose?)
[19:38] <ubernoober> yup .. sortaif you couldread it
[19:38] <ubernoober> space bar is sticky ;[ sry
[19:39] <ubernoober> im guessing that apt uninstall gmome  and reinstall wont work
[19:40] <vahirua> hi, I just installed kubuntu karmic and for some reason I keep getting "No such file or directory" for a lot of stuff... it might be because of a missing symlink to kde4.py?
[19:40] <kaddi> it might be worth a try... at this stage I would guess it can't hurt..
[19:40] <ubernoober> its a tester for shure lol nothing on the drive so y not
[19:41] <BluesKaj> ubernoober, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[19:41] <popey> itswhatev: jack
[19:42] <itswhatev> popey: just install it and i'm gold or configure something specific?
[19:42] <kaddi> ubernoober: maybe try and see if you can run karmic from a live-cd as well?
[19:42] <ubernoober> no burner ;[
[19:43] <ubernoober> acer travelmate 220 14 yrs old
[19:43] <kaddi> ubernoober: hehe and I thought I stood out with my 661 ;)
[19:44] <ubernoober> i still got a 580 mb hd kicking around
[19:44] <popey> itswhatev: needs starting, use jackctl to configure/start it
[19:44] <kaddi> hehe, the 661 was my first pc.. and it came with 40Gb of harddisk! :o
[19:45]  * penguin42 flings his 64MB 5.25" FH disc at ubernoober
[19:45] <ubernoober> i had 12' floppies on mine
[19:45] <popey> itswhatev: http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/Mixing_A_Podcast_In_Ardour_-_Part_1 that screencast talks a little about jack
[19:45] <ubernoober> lol penguin
[19:46]  * ubernoober fondly remembers his comoidor "pet"
[19:50] <NoelJB> ubernoober, what kind of graphics card?
[19:51] <ubernoober> in the acer its a intel 82830m gcc rev 4 i think
[19:51] <ubernoober> 8 or 16 meg ;[
[19:52] <NoelJB> ubernoober, ah, sorry.  probably can't help,  if you'd said nvidia, I'd have had a good guess on the problem.
[19:52] <ubernoober> me too lol
[19:54] <ubernoober> had this happen 2 weeks ago when i first tried this , googled it and found a post in launchpad or ubuntu forums ... tty in change a file"cant remember" and reboot
[19:54] <ubernoober> cant find it now ... 4 hours searching
[20:08] <penguin42> hmph, X died
[20:11]  * penguin42 has had little look with describing poorly repeatable X crashes
[20:40] <x1250> mmm, nautilus 100% cpu usage is making me sick :S
[21:01] <tux> i thought they were replacing rhythmbox with banshee?
[21:02] <NoelJB> x1250, GUI apps freezing while I type, with high IOWAIT is driving ME nuts.  :-)
[21:04] <x1250> nothing compared to my EXT4 data loss yesterday :), more than 6 hours of kdenlive wasted, haha. I love EXT4 :/
[21:04]  * x1250 sighs
[21:06] <penguin42> x1250: I'll switch to ext4 in a few years....
[21:07] <NoelJB> x1250, yikes ... penguin42 I figure 2011 or so.
[21:09] <x1250> data=journal fixes the issue, or at least thats what the web says. I wonder why EXT4 ubuntu defaults are so insecure. A power outage will make your files 0 bytes, by default. Insane.
[21:13] <virtuald> what's the default data=?
[21:20] <x1250> I think its ordered.... from a webpage:
[21:20] <x1250> * ordered mode
[21:20] <x1250> In data=ordered mode, ext4 only officially journals metadata, but it logically
[21:20] <x1250> groups metadata and data blocks into a single unit called a transaction.  When
[21:20] <x1250> it's time to write the new metadata out to disk, the associated data blocks
[21:20] <x1250> are written first.  In general, this mode performs slightly slower than
[21:20] <x1250> writeback but significantly faster than journal mode.
[21:20] <x1250> and its true, journal is slower.
[21:22] <penguin42> I think there is some work pending to get a compromise between the modes
[21:23] <andresmujica> normally the best tradeoff between performance and security is ordered... journalling the metadata and no the data itself  even NTFS use it
[21:24] <tgpraveen1> !info libtheora
[21:25] <penguin42> tgpraveen1: There's a libtheora0
[21:26] <tgpraveen1> !info libtheora0
[21:26] <x1250> andresmujica, I was using ordered when lost my data. I had a power outage and was editing a project in kdenlive. Rebooted, and boom, 0 bytes.
[21:26] <x1250> bad luck maybe, but it happened twice!
[21:27] <andresmujica> sadly, it seems to be flacky in ext4... it's the ext3 default too...
[21:27] <penguin42> x1250: My understanding is there is a defined way for apps to ensure there data is saved in that case (and it's standard posix semantics but most people don't quite follow it)
[21:28] <x1250> /var/log/./messages:5466:Aug 20 22:31:13 daniel-laptop kernel: [   13.651969] EXT4-fs (sda6): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode
[21:30] <x1250> penguin42, yeah, but I talked to some kdenlive devs and they said they wouldn't do it. And people say posix is just flawed and should be changed. I agree on that one.
[21:31] <x1250> (on that specific matter)
[21:43] <malnilion> Anybody know a good way to trick websites into thinking you have an older version of Flash?
[21:47] <NoelJB> malnilion, no, and I've had that experience with a bank a while back.
[21:47] <malnilion> MySpace is the offender for me
[21:48] <NoelJB> malnilion, ah well MySpace is taking themselves out of relevance, so good luck getting anything fixed on that service.
[21:48] <malnilion> Right-o, it's a shame that bands I listen to almost exclusively use it.
[21:49] <NoelJB> I didn't realize that anyone over the (mental) age of tween still did.
[21:50] <malnilion> Yeah...small bands have a tendency to set up a myspace page rather than hire a web developer and pay for costs associated with running a website.
[21:51] <malnilion> And it's funny, too, because I'm pretty sure a lot of them pay someone to jazz up their myspace pages, lol
[21:51] <malnilion> But yeah, I've always hated the site.
[21:57] <nhasian> how come the daily build only has the alternate install cd? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[22:01] <malnilion> nhasian, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:01] <cyberkilla> Anybody know about the nvidia drivers? I'm having serious problems as of this morning.
[22:01] <NoelJB> cyberkilla, what problem?  And which driver is installed?
[22:02] <cyberkilla> Hello!
[22:02] <nhasian> malnilion, ah thank you!
[22:02] <cyberkilla> It is driver 185.18.36
[22:02] <cyberkilla> I was nagged to do a "partial upgrade" this morning.
[22:02] <cyberkilla> It installed 24MiB of extra packages
[22:02] <NoelJB> OK.
[22:03] <cyberkilla> One of the new packages was clearly an nvidia driver...
[22:03] <cyberkilla> It asked me to reboot to complete the upgrade..
[22:03] <NoelJB> the partial may have been related to codec stuff that hasn't built properly.
[22:03] <cyberkilla> Unfortunately, it booted into the console, as X failed to start.
[22:03] <NoelJB> I still have 3 packages waiting to be replaced.
[22:03] <popey> cyberkilla: i had the same
[22:04] <popey> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-185   fixed it
[22:04] <cyberkilla> I believe I fixed it by editing the xorg.conf file
[22:04] <nhasian> yeah i havent done the distribution update yet for the nvidia stuff.  i think it will be a normal update when all parts are released right?
[22:04] <cyberkilla> It hadn't fully installed the driver.
[22:04] <cyberkilla> However, once I had the driver working, I ran into another problem.
[22:04] <NoelJB> nhasian, the only things that haven't updated for me are libavformat52 libpostproc51 libswscale0
[22:05] <cyberkilla> The driver is unstable; it displays artifacts on the screen, flickers, hangs and eventually reboots the laptop.
[22:05] <popey> cyberkilla: you should file a bug using the commend "ubuntu-bug nvidia-glx-185"
[22:05] <NoelJB> cyberkilla, boot to a recovery console. try to purge and reinstall the driver.
[22:06] <cyberkilla> Okay.
[22:06] <NoelJB> cyberkilla, you could also try nvidia-glx-190 if you are so inclined.  I used that until yesterday, when nvidia finally got a 185 out that actually works.
[22:06] <cyberkilla> I will try that. I actually tried "sudo apt-get remove nvidia-*" and put everything back manually
[22:06] <NoelJB> so 190.18.03 was working just fine.
[22:06] <cyberkilla> But the same problem exists. I'll try purging
[22:06] <cyberkilla> I tried 190 too
[22:06] <cyberkilla> same problem
[22:06] <bjsnider> cyberkilla, what card is this?
[22:06] <NoelJB> Oh, then something sounds a bit more b0rked.
[22:07] <cyberkilla> It is a Sony Vaio VGN-AR41E with an NVidia 8400M GT
[22:07] <NoelJB> ah, bjsnider is the team maintainer for the nvidia PPA.  :-)
[22:07] <bjsnider> ever try it with windows?
[22:07] <cyberkilla> It works with Vista, which sits in a tiny partition just incase Ubuntu breaks.
[22:07] <bjsnider> maybe your hardware is busted
[22:08] <bjsnider> are you at the console right now?
[22:08] <cyberkilla> Also, it worked fine until this morning, JUST after the upgrade
[22:08] <popey> cyberkilla: please, file a bug
[22:08] <cyberkilla> A bit coincidental for the hardware to break just after the update.
[22:08] <bjsnider> i thought you said it didn't work even when it worked
[22:09] <BUGabundo> what's the best app to search for dupes among 1TiB of files??
[22:09] <cyberkilla> I'm not on the console
[22:09] <cyberkilla> I'm using the vesa driver
[22:09] <popey> BUGabundo: fdupes
[22:09] <penguin42> BUGabundo: The whole files?
[22:09] <bjsnider> open up the console and run dkms status
[22:09] <BUGabundo> thanks popey
[22:09] <cyberkilla> And I have booted into Windows Vista with it's Aero glass working fine (which requires acceleration)
[22:09] <cyberkilla> okay
[22:09] <BUGabundo> penguin42: merge of 4 older disk to a new one for backups
[22:10] <cyberkilla> nvidia, 173.14.16: added
[22:10] <cyberkilla> strange message
[22:10] <penguin42> popey: Oh cool, I didn't know about fdupes
[22:10] <bjsnider> wha?
[22:10] <BUGabundo> attention everyone with Nvidia probs: distupgrade now. module require so
[22:10] <cyberkilla> Although I have been swapping in and out of 173 and 185 to see if there was a difference
[22:10] <cyberkilla> okay
[22:10] <bjsnider> ah, i see
[22:11] <bjsnider> the 173 won't build ont he new kernel
[22:11] <cyberkilla> Clearly not. It doesn't even get into X
[22:11] <BUGabundo> I got safe
[22:11] <BUGabundo> I was worried yesterday
[22:11] <BUGabundo> but then I did aptitude full-upgrade
[22:11] <BUGabundo> and got new modules
[22:11] <BUGabundo> all O K
[22:12] <bjsnider> why doesn't upgrade-manager do this for people?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:12] <cyberkilla> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[22:12] <cyberkilla>   nvidia-185-libvdpau{u}
[22:12] <cyberkilla> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:12] <cyberkilla> that is what it's telling me
[22:13] <BUGabundo> maybe its one of those were *partial* updates helpd
[22:13] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:13] <bjsnider> cyberkilla, remove all traces of the 173 driver
[22:13] <cyberkilla> understood
[22:13] <BUGabundo> cyberkilla:  sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[22:14] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: do you know why so many times that stops after update?
[22:14] <cyberkilla> if I remove all traces, it pulls away nvidia-common
[22:14] <BUGabundo> and doesn't excecute the && ?
[22:14] <cyberkilla> is that important?
[22:14] <cyberkilla> it doesn't seem to find anything in jockey without it
[22:14] <cyberkilla> should I leave the modaliases for 173?
[22:14] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, all i know is that i never have to run command-lin upgrade commands
[22:15] <BUGabundo> I like it
[22:15] <cyberkilla> Doesn't matter, I've done it
[22:15] <cyberkilla> but I've left nvidia-common installed
[22:15] <bjsnider> cyberkilla, no, take out the modaliases too
[22:15] <cyberkilla> okay
[22:15] <cyberkilla> done
[22:16] <bjsnider> cyberkilla, remove nvidia-common
[22:16] <bjsnider> this old crap is mucking up the works
[22:16] <cyberkilla> I have done: )
[22:16] <cyberkilla> What now?
[22:16] <bjsnider> install nvidia-glx-185
[22:16] <cyberkilla> okay
[22:16] <bjsnider> and the modaliases package
[22:17] <bjsnider> that will give you alisting in jockey
[22:17] <BUGabundo> popey: time fdupes -rSm . ; 14 duplicate files (in 1 sets), occupying 0 bytes.; real	0m0.005s
[22:17] <bjsnider> after it finishes, run dkms status
[22:17] <cyberkilla> ok
[22:17] <BUGabundo> not sure if that is so good LOL
[22:18] <cyberkilla> okay, it's installed
[22:18] <bjsnider> it says installed?
[22:18] <cyberkilla> nvidia, 185.18.36, 2.6.31-6-generic, i686: installed
[22:19] <bjsnider> now assuming your xorg.conf file isn't full of obfuscated nonsensery, it will start after a reboot
[22:19] <cyberkilla> it's almost empty
[22:19] <cyberkilla> just the bare minimum stuff that was there in the first place
[22:20] <bjsnider> and the nvidia driver
[22:20] <cyberkilla> It will boot, but it will display artifacts, forcing me to jump to a tty and set it to vesa
[22:20] <cyberkilla> I'll try though
[22:20] <cyberkilla> will you hang around for me to return?
[22:20] <bjsnider> yeah
[22:20] <cyberkilla> thanks a lot:)
[22:21] <bjsnider> maybe you aren't giving it enough ram
[22:21] <cyberkilla> I have 2GB
[22:21] <cyberkilla> it has 128 dedicated
[22:21] <bjsnider> i'd dedicate 512
[22:21] <BUGabundo> doh
[22:21] <cyberkilla> i don't think it shares any in ubuntu. In vista, it can dynamically allocate system memory if it needs more
[22:21] <cyberkilla> rather than in XP, where it reserves a chunk and makes your ram lower
[22:22] <bjsnider> you can't change it thru the bios?
[22:22] <BUGabundo> I was running fdupes on the wrong dir
[22:22] <BUGabundo> lolol
[22:22] <cyberkilla> It has always worked before though. Why would it change now?
[22:22] <cyberkilla> Also, it DOES display some incorrect statistics in the nvidia control panel
[22:23] <cyberkilla> It says it has more than 128 VRAM
[22:23] <cyberkilla> but it's lying, unless it's counting something it's allocated from system ram
[22:23] <bjsnider> install the nvidia-settings-190 package
[22:23] <cyberkilla> okay
[22:24] <dongle> when gdm fix will be released ? bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/410475
[22:24] <cyberkilla> since I'm in vesa, I fear it will not work
[22:24] <cyberkilla> I will only be able to test it after the reboot
[22:24] <bjsnider> i didn't mean test it without the nvidia driver loaded
[22:25] <cyberkilla> :)
[22:25] <cyberkilla> okay, back in 5
[22:28] <dongle> yeah gdm is working but have to start by sudo gdm from console
[22:28] <dongle> any workaround
[22:33] <cyberkilla> Hello again
[22:33] <cyberkilla> It hasn't worked
[22:34] <cyberkilla> I can only stop it from crashing by pressing CTRL+ALT+F5 as soon as it shows artifacts
[22:34] <cyberkilla> then I can return to X
[22:36] <cyberkilla> what can I do? this driver clearly has issues with me
[22:36] <bjsnider> what was the last driver that worked?
[22:37] <NoelJB> If you think that  .31 worked, that is still in the main repos.
[22:37] <cyberkilla> Hello?
[22:38] <bjsnider> cyberkilla, what was the last driver that worked?
[22:40] <cyberkilla> 183, i think
[22:40] <bjsnider> there wasn't one
[22:40] <cyberkilla> I'm not sure what it was, because I didn't expect a new "stable" driver to fail
[22:41] <cyberkilla> it was a 18x
[22:41] <bjsnider> ok
[22:47] <NoelJB> bjsnider, since it broke on cyberkilla this morning, dpkg.log should have the data on which one was removed.
[22:48] <cyberkilla> Hello?
[22:49] <cyberkilla> I am sorry about that. I have had a full conversation with you before I realised nmapplet had crashed with X
[22:49] <cyberkilla> I don't know how long this will last before another crash:)
[22:50] <cyberkilla> As I said whilst offline, I can prevent the system crash if I switch to a TTY when I notice any artifacts in the X session
[22:50] <cyberkilla> I can then return to the X session for a small period of time.
[22:50] <cyberkilla> The degredation is hastened by moving windows, opening new ones, etc.
[22:50] <cyberkilla> This leads me to believe that the problem is with memory
[22:51] <cyberkilla> As soon as it starts allocating memory, the problems occur
[22:51] <cyberkilla> The nvidia settings manager states 512MiB of memory is available, but I know for a fact that the card only has 128 installed
[22:51] <cyberkilla> ping
[22:52] <cyberkilla> Hello?
[22:52] <dodecanese> 512mb is shared with system memory
[22:52] <dodecanese> so you got 128mb dedicated vram and 384mb is sysmem
[22:52] <cyberkilla> shared, as in "reserved", or shared as in "allocated if needed"?
[22:53] <dodecanese> shared as allocate
[22:53] <dodecanese> if needed
[22:53] <cyberkilla> ah, good
[22:54] <dodecanese> my gfx card has 2gb, and could access to 8gb textures when needed
[22:54] <NoelJB> cyberkilla, since it broke this morning, dpkg.log should have the data on which driver was removed.
[22:54] <cyberkilla> NoelJB, I have installed 185
[22:54] <cyberkilla> And removed all others.
[22:54] <cyberkilla> 185.18.36
[22:55] <cyberkilla> It obviously doesn't work with my hardware, which is odd for a "stable" driver release.
[22:55] <cyberkilla> Unfortunately, there are no alternatives in the repository now.
[22:55] <cyberkilla> Is nobody else complaining of the same thing?
[22:55] <dongle> cyberkilla: :)
[22:55] <NoelJB> cyberkilla, I meant to answer bjsnider's question about which one had been working before this morning's upgrades.
[22:55] <dongle> cyberkilla: can you repeat ur problem
[22:56] <cyberkilla> I can find threads in the forum that mention the failed X lauch, but everyone is fine after they install the driver properly.
[22:56] <cyberkilla> In my case, I have installed the driver, but it is unstable.
[22:56] <cyberkilla> Okay, this is my problem...
[22:56] <cyberkilla> This morning, I checked the update manager.
[22:57] <cyberkilla> It told me there was an update. I clicked to look, and a "partial upgrade" dialog popped up.
[22:57] <cyberkilla> I complied, and clicked to recieve the upgrade.
[22:57] <cyberkilla> It installed 24MiB of packages, including an nvidia driver.
[22:57] <cyberkilla> It asked me to reboot the computer to complete the upgrade.
[22:58] <cyberkilla> After the reboot, X did not start, because the upgrade had failed to install one of the driver's packages.
[22:58] <cyberkilla> It might not have changed the xorg.conf either, but I can't recall now. FYI, it is set to nvidia, now, so that is not the problem.
[22:58] <cyberkilla> I managed to fix the issue by installing the missing package(s).
[22:59] <cyberkilla> Having installed the packages, I found that X would start
[22:59] <cyberkilla> I managed to log into my user account, but from there trouble started.
[22:59] <bjsnider> this only started this morning?
[23:00] <cyberkilla> In fact, there were often artifacts at the login screen, so it wasn't something that appeared after logging in.
[23:00] <cyberkilla> yes, immediately after the upgrade
[23:00] <bjsnider> well, try the 190 driver
[23:00] <cyberkilla> The artifacts are the first thing I notice.
[23:00] <cyberkilla> After that, the system hangs intermittently for a few seconds
[23:01] <cyberkilla> The screen will often flicker, then there is the almost certain crash and automatic system reboot
[23:01] <cyberkilla> I have rebooted so many times today that I've had two "routine HDD maintainence" checks
[23:02] <cyberkilla> The driver is buggy, but so is the 190 driver
[23:02] <cyberkilla> and the 173 driver doesn't even boot into X
[23:02] <bjsnider> the 173 does not build on that kernel
[23:02] <cyberkilla> fair enough
[23:02] <cyberkilla> that explains why 173 fails
[23:03] <cyberkilla> is there any alternative?
[23:03] <dodecanese> 185.18.36
[23:03] <cyberkilla> I have that one now
[23:03] <cyberkilla> and it exhibits the same artifacts as the non-PPA
[23:04] <bjsnider> try the karmic 180 driver. disable the ppa
[23:05] <bjsnider> that should still be the older one
[23:05] <cyberkilla> 180? it says it is a transitional package
[23:05] <dongle> cyberkilla: can you check how much memory is being shared to vga via bios ?
[23:05] <bjsnider> disable the ppa, install nvidia-glx-180
[23:05] <cyberkilla> I don't think so
[23:05] <cyberkilla> it's avaio
[23:05] <cyberkilla> I Have almost NO controls in bios
[23:06] <cyberkilla> only the ability to change date, time and boot order
[23:06] <cyberkilla> don't ask me why. Sony are pathetic
[23:06] <cyberkilla> *Vaio
[23:07] <cyberkilla> okay, I'll try 180, but I didn't think it was a driver
[23:07] <cyberkilla> it looks like a dummy package to move people to 185
[23:09] <cyberkilla> I was right
[23:10] <cyberkilla> it's just a package that depends on 185
[23:10] <cyberkilla> Damn, this is annoying
[23:11] <bjsnider> well, install theirs
[23:11] <bjsnider> see if it works
[23:13] <bjsnider> the .36 driver contains changes designed to enable it to work on quadro m chips. those changes could have introduced regressions in some other mobile chips
[23:13] <dodecanese> heh
[23:13] <dodecanese> anyone uses kde?
[23:16] <dongle> dodecanese: :)
[23:18] <NoelJB> dodecanese, KDE is Kool, but Gnome is Gnice.  :-)
[23:19] <dongle> kde broke my fresh install. gdm,grub,nautilus,.Xauthority.... all sort of errors popping on fail install
[23:20] <slacker_nl> is the newest kernel packaged? rc7/
[23:20] <slacker_nl> ?
[23:20] <dongle> specially kdebase-workspace-bin installation.
[23:24] <cyberkilla> Back
[23:24] <cyberkilla> the damned thing keeps dying on me.
[23:24] <cyberkilla> I've tried 190 again, and it's no luck.
[23:24] <cyberkilla> How can I get the driver I had originally?
[23:24] <dongle> cyberkilla: hmm
[23:24] <cyberkilla> I was convinced I had a 18x
[23:24] <dongle> cyberkilla: use nvidia driver uninstall utility
[23:25] <cyberkilla> I don't know what that is.
[23:26] <dongle> cyberkilla: did you installed latest drivers from nvidia website ?
[23:26] <cyberkilla> No
[23:26] <cyberkilla> From the repository.
[23:27] <cyberkilla> A PPA was suggested on a thread in the forum. It's the 185.18.36 version
[23:27] <cyberkilla> but the 185.18.x version in the karmic repository (without PPA) still has the same problem
[23:27] <cyberkilla> As does the 190.x driver in the PPA
[23:27] <cyberkilla> So I don't know what's going on.
[23:28] <cyberkilla> My hardware is marked as supported by the release notes
[23:28] <cyberkilla> And the 185.18.36 release is supposed to be the stable release
[23:29] <dongle> cyberkilla: try uninstalling all other driver versions. 96/173/180... once done, reinstall 185. run nvidia-xserver as sudo. reboot. hopefully it will work.
[23:31] <bjsnider> nvidia-xserver? not familiar with that command
[23:31] <dongle> nvidia-xserver = > nvidia-xconfig
[23:31] <bjsnider> oh, good heavens don't use that crap
[23:31] <bjsnider> that's what jockey is for
[23:31] <dongle> it worked for me
[23:32] <bjsnider> xconfig will put old garbage in the xorg.conf file
[23:32] <dongle> it will backup first
[23:37] <DefTone7> can someone tell what driver to use for my hp dv4-1435dx laptop? I need to set up the wireless.