| Raydiation | wow | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| Raydiation | just booting karmic | 00:04 |
| Raydiation | red blue and white clusters | 00:04 |
| dodecanese | yeah thats funny | 00:05 |
| dodecanese | your ubuntu is over the jordan | 00:05 |
| Twigaathy | meep, 119 updates | 00:06 |
| * Twigaathy should update more often! | 00:06 | |
| dodecanese | i updated today, 2GB downloaded | 00:06 |
| BUGabundo | Twigaathy: right now I'm only doing it once or maybe twice a day | 00:06 |
| dodecanese | i do it twice a day, but my wife said its ok | 00:07 |
| Twigaathy | well, for the last 3 days I've been fiddling with raid and didn't want to update *anything* :) | 00:07 |
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| Raydiation | hehe i try if gentoo or arch works | 00:25 |
| Raydiation | its an amd phenom quadcore 3.2 | 00:25 |
| Raydiation | comiling on this machine will rock | 00:25 |
| dotblank | why is pidgin being replaced? | 00:27 |
| scizzo- | dotblank: the reason is mentioned on www.ubuntu.com/testing | 00:28 |
| dodecanese | cause swineflu | 00:28 |
| dodecanese | pidgin sounds to much like pigs, thats why they stripped it from the release | 00:28 |
| dotblank | wait | 00:29 |
| scizzo- | dodecanese: mind the language a little please | 00:29 |
| dotblank | I thought they were doing away with dbus? | 00:29 |
| dotblank | w/e one reason I saw was lack for video support | 00:30 |
| dotblank | yet it was added in 2.6.1 | 00:30 |
| codeamuk | how stable/unstable is karmic alpha4? thinking of doing a fresh install. | 01:02 |
| BUGabundo | codeamuk: it's a devel | 01:02 |
| BUGabundo | anything can happen | 01:02 |
| BUGabundo | and get a daily | 01:02 |
| BUGabundo | better then Alpha4 | 01:03 |
| codeamuk | will do, thx | 01:03 |
| BUGabundo | !daily | 01:03 |
| ubottu | Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 01:03 |
| codeamuk | but no big issues atm? | 01:05 |
| BUGabundo | none that I can recall | 01:05 |
| BUGabundo | other then the unfixed ones | 01:05 |
| codeamuk | :) | 01:05 |
| BUGabundo | like no autologin | 01:06 |
| BUGabundo | some audio probs | 01:06 |
| BUGabundo | some e-sata probs | 01:06 |
| BUGabundo | etc | 01:06 |
| codeamuk | ok, thx. no worries just want to test on a non-production box. | 01:06 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 01:07 |
| mtecknology | I upgraded to Karmic and when I try to boot I get a message saying something about searching for encrypted devices but just sits there and waits. | 01:17 |
| BUGabundo | mtecknology: tryied crl+c ? | 01:20 |
| mtecknology | BUGabundo: no change - the system is on an encrypted partition | 01:21 |
| BUGabundo | ahh | 01:22 |
| BUGabundo | no help from me | 01:22 |
| BUGabundo | I just use encfs | 01:22 |
| mtecknology | Begin: Waiting for encrypted source device... ... | 01:22 |
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| dodecanese | why the heck is gconf2-d using so much cpu? | 01:22 |
| dodecanese | it continously uses 22 percent of m cpu without any reason | 01:22 |
| BUGabundo | dodecanese: no idea | 01:22 |
| BUGabundo | I have it too some times | 01:22 |
| BUGabundo | some say its metacity running over compiz | 01:23 |
| BUGabundo | if you have compiz try to kill metacity | 01:23 |
| dodecanese | metacity? | 01:23 |
| dodecanese | wait | 01:23 |
| scizzo- | its something when trying to start compiz and it fails | 01:24 |
| scizzo- | killing metacity and starting it again helps with that | 01:24 |
| dodecanese | sounds like a spaghetti code sausage | 01:24 |
| mtecknology | BUGabundo: this sucks :( - I can reinstall but I created ~4 docs I don't want to have to rewrite | 01:24 |
| BUGabundo | mtecknology: boot from a jaunty livecd/usb? | 01:25 |
| scizzo- | there is a bug report on the metacity+compiz problem | 01:25 |
| mtecknology | what would I do though? | 01:25 |
| mtecknology | hrm....... | 01:26 |
| BUGabundo | mtecknology: backup? | 01:26 |
| mtecknology | ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxx does not exist. Dropping to a shell! | 01:27 |
| mtecknology | I believe I now know what to do from thge live cd | 01:27 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 01:28 |
| BUGabundo | good | 01:28 |
| BUGabundo | cause I can't help you any further | 01:28 |
| BUGabundo | its above my expertise | 01:28 |
| bjsnider | that may mean the fstab entry for that disk is incorrect | 01:28 |
| bjsnider | check the uuid in that file against the ones listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid | 01:29 |
| mtecknology | now... if I have a live cd....... my cd case is at a friends house | 01:29 |
| BUGabundo | heeheh | 01:29 |
| BUGabundo | *always* cary a backup cd or usb | 01:30 |
| BUGabundo | running a devel version without it is Crime | 01:30 |
| BUGabundo | punishable with Data Loss | 01:30 |
| DanaG | If you know the device path, you can just edit the boot line to go root=/dev/sdwhatever | 01:30 |
| mtecknology | hoping that's all that needs to be done... | 01:31 |
| mtecknology | 1% dloaded | 01:31 |
| * DanaG uses truecrypt -- I don't want the risk of full-disk encryption. | 01:32 | |
| mtecknology | Somebody wanted to see me encrypt something 5 different times - so I proved it's possible and just stuck w/ the encryption of the drive | 01:34 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 01:35 |
| BUGabundo | not sure you won't that bet | 01:35 |
| mtecknology | why not? | 01:35 |
| mtecknology | just broke upgrading to an unstable release | 01:35 |
| mtecknology | encrypted drive, encrypted home, truecrypt, hidden volume, gpg - I won ;) | 01:36 |
| mtecknology | 2% | 01:36 |
| DanaG | Encrypted drive? how's that step done? | 01:37 |
| mtecknology | DanaG: why not? | 01:40 |
| DanaG | huh? | 01:41 |
| DanaG | you mean to ask BUGabundo that? | 01:41 |
| BUGabundo | no | 01:41 |
| BUGabundo | no me | 01:41 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 01:41 |
| mtecknology | [19:37] <DanaG> Encrypted drive? how's that step done? | 01:41 |
| mtecknology | oh.... | 01:41 |
| DanaG | yeah, the answer "why not?" doesn't make sense there. | 01:41 |
| mtecknology | mind: s/one/done/ | 01:42 |
| mtecknology | encrypted partition | 01:42 |
| mtecknology | only thing not encrypted is /boot and /vm - I told him if I wanted I could put /boot on a sd disk | 01:43 |
| DanaG | ah. | 01:43 |
| DanaG | If I wanted a secure drive, I could just use an ATA password, couldn't I? | 01:43 |
| DanaG | Or is that not enough? | 01:44 |
| mtecknology | 3% :D | 01:45 |
| mtecknology | how do you do that? | 01:45 |
| mtecknology | don't you need a special drive>? | 01:45 |
| DanaG | All drives nowadays should support it; what matters more is that the system BIOS supports it. | 01:46 |
| DanaG | google for ATA security. | 01:46 |
| mtecknology | I'll do that | 01:47 |
| mtecknology | DanaG: got it | 01:48 |
| BUGabundo | im off to bed. cu tommorow | 02:08 |
| DanaG | i wonder why BUGabundo's name appears italic in pidgin. | 02:11 |
| andresmh | I'm trying to play a DVD and the sound is choppy to the point that it's unbearable. Any ideas on what I could fiddle with? | 02:41 |
| andresmh | I'm trying to play a DVD and the sound is choppy to the point that it's unbearable. Any ideas on what I could fiddle with? | 02:52 |
| IdleOne | yeah but it wont fix your sound lol | 02:53 |
| * Dr_Willis wonders what kind of dvd's IdleOne 's been watching. :P | 02:55 | |
| IdleOne | haha | 02:55 |
| Dr_Willis | Time to test out the kubuntu netbook edition of 9.10. | 02:55 |
| IdleOne | wish more people would seed the alternate cd | 02:56 |
| IdleOne | 8 hours to go | 02:56 |
| Dr_Willis | I normally dont try the torrents till its actually released. Never seemed to be enough seeders testing the alphas | 02:56 |
| Dr_Willis | but on the day of release.. thats when i can REALLY see how fast my torrents can get. :) | 02:57 |
| Dr_Willis | I was thinking the whole cd took under 10 min last time. | 02:57 |
| IdleOne | well torrent is available so i figure save canonical the bandwidth | 03:00 |
| IdleOne | but I'm starting to rethink | 03:00 |
| Dr_Willis | Yea. with all the variants and changes , its proberly easier to just get the thing direct | 03:01 |
| Dr_Willis | its sad when ya see people still seeding the Earlier releases.. because they dont know any better. :) | 03:01 |
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| xim_ | how come when i went from karmic alpha to jaunty there is a different version of ktorrent? | 04:13 |
| xim_ | do different ubuntus install different versions of software from packages with the same name? | 04:13 |
| leaf-sheep | How do one goes from karmic alpha to jaunty? o.o | 04:15 |
| DanaG | The quick answer: you don't. | 04:16 |
| DanaG | It is possible....... but it's very highly inadvisable. | 04:16 |
| xim_ | its pretty easy, format....install jaunty | 04:19 |
| xim_ | karmic just kept rotting away on me | 04:20 |
| DanaG | Or better: restore from backups. | 04:20 |
| xim_ | first my sound stopped working, except garbled sound only from the mozilla flash plugin and no other application | 04:20 |
| xim_ | then i closed a program once and it erased all my panel icons... | 04:21 |
| xim_ | xorg would crash spontaneously | 04:21 |
| xim_ | but thats the risk of playing with an alpha | 04:21 |
| xim_ | wierd how sensless the problems i got were tho | 04:21 |
| arand | btw, are we supposed to have flickerless boot by KK? (since the new gdm could well give you epilepsy) | 04:22 |
| xim_ | but anyway i dont get why different ubuntus install different ktorrent clients | 04:22 |
| Dragnslcr | xim_- you don't understand why a newer version of Ubuntu would have a newer version of specific program? | 04:31 |
| xim_ | no dont they all link to metapackages of the newest version of whatever program it is? | 04:32 |
| Dragnslcr | No | 04:33 |
| Dragnslcr | Each version of Ubuntu has its own set of repositories | 04:33 |
| xim_ | still, its not like the new ktorrent is TOO AWSOME to run on jaunty | 04:33 |
| xim_ | *but i didnt know that | 04:34 |
| Dragnslcr | First, if they all used the same repositories, there wouldn't be a point to releasing new versions | 04:34 |
| bjsnider | second, not everything plays nicely together like it should | 04:34 |
| bjsnider | sometimes program x will break program y | 04:35 |
| Dragnslcr | Second, you generally don't want to change to new major versions of programs in the middle of an Ubuntu version. Most people want at least a little stability in their operating system | 04:35 |
| xim_ | i guess | 04:36 |
| xim_ | im 75% convinced ;p | 04:36 |
| xim_ | it seems like a crummier version of ktorrent than was on my ubuntu hardy. but crummy is in the eye of the beholder i spose | 04:37 |
| bjsnider | well, maybe ktorrent is going 100 miles per hour in the wrong direction | 04:40 |
| xim_ | possible | 04:42 |
| xim_ | possibly | 04:42 |
| xim_ | possiblie | 04:42 |
| xim_ | where nothing can possiblie go wrong....possibly go wrong....thats the first thing thats ever gone wrong | 04:43 |
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| douglasawh_ | sorry for the reconnections, am tryint to get quassel to give me the correct username automatically | 05:47 |
| robert__ | what will the new theme look like? | 05:59 |
| robert__ | what will the new theme look like? | 06:00 |
| DarthArachides | can anyone tell me what flie provides gnome-power-cmd.sh? | 09:53 |
| DarthArachides | apt-file doesn't turn up anything | 09:53 |
| x1250 | DarthArachides, tried dpkg -S /path/to/gnome-power-cmd.sh ? I don't see it on my system tho. | 09:55 |
| DarthArachides | x1250: I don't have the file on my system, but I swear I had it on jaunty. | 09:56 |
| x1250 | DarthArachides, dropped (debian/rules section): https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-July/005207.html | 09:59 |
| DarthArachides | x1250: oh that's sad. I wonder what the alternatives are. | 10:00 |
| x1250 | no idea :( | 10:01 |
| DarthArachides | x1250: thanks for your help! | 10:02 |
| fabe | hi where should I best post an issue for recently broken sound with Realtek ALC888 on a Gigabyte MA74GM-S2H ? | 10:27 |
| BUGabundo | fabe: hi. define broken? | 10:30 |
| fabe | sound worked and after an update it didnt | 10:31 |
| BUGabundo | is it muted? | 10:31 |
| fabe | im not sure if it was a kernel update | 10:31 |
| BUGabundo | prob | 10:31 |
| fabe | no | 10:31 |
| BUGabundo | kernel is chaning that a lot | 10:31 |
| BUGabundo | do you have pavucontrol? | 10:32 |
| fabe | ? | 10:32 |
| BUGabundo | open it and see if any source is too low | 10:32 |
| fabe | i cant check now | 10:32 |
| fabe | but ive done that | 10:32 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 10:33 |
| BUGabundo | file a bug and ping dtchen on it | 10:33 |
| fabe | i screwed up my drivers when i tried to install the newest from realtech | 10:33 |
| BUGabundo | fabe: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-core | 10:33 |
| BUGabundo | I think that's it | 10:33 |
| BUGabundo | don't. PLEASE don't do that | 10:33 |
| BUGabundo | there are too many things working together here. | 10:33 |
| fabe | i know that now aswell ;) | 10:33 |
| BUGabundo | 3rd party drivers will just make it a mess | 10:34 |
| BUGabundo | just file a bug and wait for dtchen to become active, and help you triage it | 10:34 |
| BUGabundo | I may join #ubuntu-audio-help | 10:34 |
| fabe | on launchpad? | 10:34 |
| BUGabundo | fabe: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-core | 10:34 |
| BUGabundo | either that or | 10:34 |
| BUGabundo | fabe: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base | 10:34 |
| fabe | $ ubuntu-bug ? | 10:35 |
| fabe | url? | 10:35 |
| BUGabundo | no need | 10:37 |
| BUGabundo | just run it on the cli, hence the '$' | 10:37 |
| BUGabundo | open a terminal and write it | 10:37 |
| BUGabundo | ubuntu-bug alsa-base | 10:37 |
| BUGabundo | it will collect all require data, and then send you to LP with it attached | 10:38 |
| fabe | k | 10:38 |
| fabe | thx | 10:38 |
| x1250 | uhm, strange, my cpu is at 71ºC and fan speeds are not at max. Any way to control fan speeds? | 10:40 |
| BUGabundo | x1250: with newest kernel? | 10:41 |
| BUGabundo | what motherboard and chipset? | 10:41 |
| BUGabundo | and yes, I can echo a value to /proc/*/cpufans | 10:41 |
| x1250 | BUGabundo, 2.6.31-6-generic, Intel 945GM on a DELL Inspiron. | 10:43 |
| x1250 | ok thanks | 10:43 |
| rajeev | hi guys | 10:51 |
| BUGabundo | hey rajeev | 10:51 |
| rajeev | yesterday update killed my display | 10:52 |
| rajeev | irssi to the rescue :) | 10:52 |
| rajeev | no module named nvidia | 10:52 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 10:53 |
| BUGabundo | others have complained about that too | 10:53 |
| BUGabundo | try to upgrade again, and make sure DKMS runs | 10:53 |
| BUGabundo | rajeev: $ sudo aptitude update | 10:54 |
| BUGabundo | rajeev: $ sudo aptitude full-upgrade | 10:54 |
| BUGabundo | and *good* luck | 10:54 |
| rajeev | am just trying to install nvidia again | 10:54 |
| rajeev | then ill try full-upgrade | 10:54 |
| rajeev | thanks | 10:54 |
| rajeev | i have twitchy fingers,i read about this breakage but still went aheaad and did upgrade :D | 10:55 |
| BUGabundo | yeah I did to and made my way | 10:55 |
| BUGabundo | I guess the module jump requires full upgrade | 10:55 |
| BUGabundo | a simple upgrade is just removing the old modules | 10:56 |
| rajeev | yeah could you tell me what is this new upgrade about? | 10:56 |
| rajeev | ok got display heh | 10:56 |
| rajeev | just installed nvidia | 10:57 |
| rajeev | let me go check the upgrades again | 10:57 |
| rajeev | fro m a GUI :) | 10:57 |
| rajeev | bye,how to quit irssi? | 10:57 |
| BUGabundo | GUI is for the weak | 10:57 |
| rajeev | exit | 10:57 |
| rajeev | damn | 10:57 |
| BUGabundo | CLI is for beard guys and harry chicks :) | 10:57 |
| BUGabundo | guess he hasn't enough bear | 10:58 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 10:58 |
| * BUGabundo enjoys quiet time and goes back to reading feeds | 10:58 | |
| leaf-sheep | BUGabundo: Is it true? :P | 11:12 |
| BUGabundo | leaf-sheep: is nt it ? | 11:13 |
| leaf-sheep | BUGabundo: I know this is silly -- but I'm just curious about something. I read an article X weeks ago about robust boot time. Is it getting there? :) | 11:13 |
| leaf-sheep | Probably not -- but that's a good goal. | 11:14 |
| nacho_ | Hi | 11:14 |
| nacho_ | I'm having a look at libvte deps, shouldn't it depend on glade-ui? | 11:14 |
| nacho_ | as it provides the catalog for glade and in the configure.ac file it searchs for it | 11:15 |
| BUGabundo | leaf-sheep: well moblin can get a really fast boot | 11:15 |
| BUGabundo | and *we* as a generic distro are cutting it down too, just not as much | 11:15 |
| BUGabundo | karmic+1 should provide ~10 sec boots for most users | 11:15 |
| BUGabundo | now we just need to cut down on the time *after* login :) | 11:15 |
| BUGabundo | nacho_: prob not the right channel to ask | 11:16 |
| BUGabundo | try #ubuntu-devel | 11:16 |
| nacho_ | ok | 11:16 |
| BUGabundo | but be warned: its weekend :) | 11:16 |
| SwedeMike | BUGabundo: time after login is nothing when you run from ssd :P | 11:16 |
| leaf-sheep | Isn't Moblin for netbooks? | 11:16 |
| SwedeMike | windows is the same way, like 5x shorter time when running from ssd | 11:17 |
| BUGabundo | leaf-sheep: you can run it on pretty much anything | 11:18 |
| BUGabundo | SwedeMike: when was the last time you looked at an hacked bootchart? | 11:18 |
| BUGabundo | you will see the login time is too much | 11:18 |
| BUGabundo | we need to cut that down | 11:18 |
| BUGabundo | here are some of mine | 11:19 |
| BUGabundo | http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/karmic/ | 11:19 |
| BUGabundo | need to upload new ones | 11:19 |
| SwedeMike | I havent done anything like that, no | 11:19 |
| leaf-sheep | BUGabundo: Too small. | 11:20 |
| SwedeMike | just noticed that my default ubuntu boots to usable state from when I type "enter" on my password prompt, in a few seconds | 11:20 |
| leaf-sheep | BUGabundo: Images, I mean. I can't even read the text. :< | 11:20 |
| BUGabundo | leaf-sheep: leaglly blind? | 11:20 |
| leaf-sheep | BUGabundo: No. Legally deaf though. | 11:21 |
| BUGabundo | ahaa | 11:21 |
| leaf-sheep | Irony. :P | 11:21 |
| leaf-sheep | But yeah, I can't see it. I think the images got resized or something. You really can see it just fine? | 11:21 |
| BUGabundo | click on them | 11:22 |
| BUGabundo | they will grow to full size | 11:22 |
| leaf-sheep | BUGabundo: I did. Same resolution. | 11:22 |
| BUGabundo | or download it, and zoom at will | 11:22 |
| leaf-sheep | BUGabundo: Yeah. That worked just great. 80 seconds? | 11:23 |
| leaf-sheep | No... 90. | 11:24 |
| leaf-sheep | Wow. | 11:24 |
| BUGabundo | no no | 11:25 |
| BUGabundo | that's HOW long I set the spleep | 11:25 |
| BUGabundo | gdm is like 19 secs | 11:25 |
| BUGabundo | and an extra 20/30 for usable desktop | 11:26 |
| leaf-sheep | BUGabundo: Ahh I see. Btw, I found something today that I thought this would benefit me next time I reinstall for no particular reason. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1155961 | 11:28 |
| leaf-sheep | I don't know if that'll be useful for you and your goal of shaving times. | 11:29 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 11:30 |
| jonathonf | hmm, i might have to try that | 11:30 |
| leaf-sheep | It's nice though. Start with scratch a bit.... Oh noes. No bluetooth, then I'd have to install that. As oppose to having bluetooths by default. :) | 11:30 |
| jonathonf | is the minimal cd the netinstall? | 11:31 |
| BUGabundo | jonathonf: well no | 11:32 |
| leaf-sheep | No. It's... minimal cd.. | 11:32 |
| jonathonf | ah found it | 11:32 |
| BUGabundo | but minimal need net to install more stuff | 11:32 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 11:32 |
| BUGabundo | jonathonf: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/ | 11:32 |
| * jonathonf loads up virtualbox | 11:34 | |
| leaf-sheep | jonathonf: Doing it for jaunty or karmic? | 11:42 |
| BUGabundo | bluetooth is soooo broken | 11:43 |
| BUGabundo | who wants to join me in putting our hands around asac neck ? :) | 11:43 |
| jonathonf | ah hell - how do i get the mini iso to bring up virtualbox's networking? it's saying the network is configured (dhcp) but it won't ping out | 11:55 |
| BUGabundo | jonathonf: host only connection needed | 11:57 |
| BUGabundo | to connect from HOST to GUEST | 11:58 |
| BUGabundo | bridge won't work, only accessible from LAN | 11:58 |
| jonathonf | thanks, trying it now | 11:58 |
| BUGabundo | yeah very confusing | 11:58 |
| BUGabundo | when VMWare makes it so much easier | 11:58 |
| leaf-sheep | jonathonf: Answer my question. Damnnit. Jaunty or Karmic? ;o | 12:01 |
| leaf-sheep | Meh. You should do both side. Default Karmic vs Slim Karmic. | 12:01 |
| jonathonf | leaf-sheep: which question? i think i'm missing some stuff when i had a powercut | 12:01 |
| leaf-sheep | jonathonf: Testing that minimal setup with minimal iso for Jaunty or Karmic. | 12:02 |
| jonathonf | ah right; karmic | 12:02 |
| jonathonf | yay, network came up. had to use bridged. | 12:02 |
| Skiessi | there used to be some Sessions box in the configuration tools... | 12:05 |
| Skiessi | How can I make X-Chat start when starting Gnome? | 12:06 |
| jonathonf | startup programs | 12:06 |
| Skiessi | ehm | 12:06 |
| Skiessi | oh... there | 12:06 |
| jonathonf | ;) | 12:08 |
| Skiessi | thanks | 12:10 |
| leaf-sheep | Does Minimal CDs get updated or not really since they pull in packages from servers. | 12:11 |
| BUGabundo | leaf-sheep: I should pull most OS from archives | 12:13 |
| leaf-sheep | I'm tearing apart here... Deciding if I want a silver or black case for mini-itx. :\ | 12:23 |
| jonathonf | black | 12:34 |
| Trewas | somebody has not been reading HIG when designing new gdm in karmic, at first sight it looks like only options are to restart and shutdown | 12:47 |
| leaf-sheep | Black --> http://tinyurl.com/os4ld9 ; Silver --> http://tinyurl.com/kj3ro6 | 12:48 |
| leaf-sheep | jonathonf: ^^ | 12:48 |
| jonathonf | i'd still go for black as it tends to blend in better with consumer equipment, bu tthen the silver is less likely to show scratches | 12:50 |
| leaf-sheep | jonathonf: Brushed Metal. :> | 12:51 |
| leaf-sheep | I have that on my laptop too. My laptop is silver brushed metal/black. | 12:51 |
| leaf-sheep | I thought of it as a nice combo. :) | 12:51 |
| leaf-sheep | Then again, I'm standing in a fork. Deciding. | 12:52 |
| leaf-sheep | I don't know but I think black are overrated now. Look at consumer equipments. It seems like the silver stands out longer. Hmm. | 12:52 |
| leaf-sheep | jonathonf: Karmic Mini install grub2 or lilo for you? I'm doing it at the moment but I sworn I saw a package 'lilo' during the base process. | 12:53 |
| jonathonf | not sure, setting up the minimal desktop stuff at the mo | 12:59 |
| jonathonf | leaf-sheep: just checked (install finished) and it's grub2 (grub-pc 1.96) | 13:18 |
| leaf-sheep | jonathonf: Yup. I checked that too. | 13:22 |
| AlanBell | is there any plan to put telepathy-idle into main/default install? | 13:25 |
| AlanBell | so that empathy has IRC support. Otherwise there is no IRC client out of the box | 13:25 |
| jonathonf | just got into X. wow. memory usage is 80MB. | 13:26 |
| leaf-sheep | jonathonf: Is that good? What's the usual? | 13:28 |
| leaf-sheep | jonathonf: And what's the command for that? | 13:30 |
| jonathonf | my laptop starts at about 500MB, though there are a load of startup apps (e.g. gnome-do) | 13:31 |
| jonathonf | just checked in system monitor | 13:31 |
| SwedeMike | swmike@swm-laptop:~$ ps auxw | grep X | 13:31 |
| SwedeMike | root 3270 3.6 8.2 493280 253432 tty7 Ss+ Aug20 114:10 /usr/X11R6/bin/X | 13:31 |
| SwedeMike | I've seen it take up to 2 gigs after a month or so | 13:31 |
| leaf-sheep | SwedeMike: root 3174 4.0 3.4 219220 106560 tty7 | 13:34 |
| Trewas | I wonder if it is perfectly normal that gconfd-2 is wasting about 25% of the cpu all the time, maybe it is folding proteins or something? | 13:51 |
| jonathonf | it's not normal | 13:52 |
| Trewas | I did not find a bug about that but I think I have seen others mention that here | 13:52 |
| jonathonf | get a terminal open | 13:52 |
| jonathonf | killall metacity | 13:52 |
| jonathonf | metacity --replace | 13:52 |
| Trewas | ok, that fixed it | 13:53 |
| IdleOne | yesterday I did a upgrade to karmic and system was unusable after reboot. Complete freeze once the desktop loaded, so I tried a fresh install and had the same issue except at the login screen. I decided to not pursue the matter and I'll wait for a couple more weeks before trying again | 13:56 |
| penguin42 | IdleOne: It might be worth reporting a bug on it anyway; if lots of people are seeing this it would be good for the devs to know | 13:56 |
| IdleOne | penguin42: yes I wil do that now | 13:56 |
| penguin42 | make sure you describe all your hardware | 13:57 |
| IdleOne | penguin42: anything else besides lspci I should give? | 14:05 |
| scizzo- | penguin42: there is a bug about it | 14:06 |
| penguin42 | hmm there's probably some instructions somewhere saying what to include; if you have jaunty working on it I'd include a dmesg (stating it's off jaunty) | 14:06 |
| scizzo- | !bug 390733 | 14:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 390733 in gconf2 "Process gconfd-2 causes cpu overuse and overheat" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390733 | 14:07 |
| penguin42 | scizzo-: You don't know if that's the problem IdleOne is seing | 14:08 |
| scizzo- | nope | 14:09 |
| scizzo- | all I am saying is to look for a report before doing a new one | 14:09 |
| IdleOne | in that report it suggest he can get to terminal to kill gconfd-2 | 14:09 |
| penguin42 | scizzo-: The bug is a bit weird as well; I mean gconf-d might eat CPU but it's only bad hardware that fails under 100% cpu | 14:09 |
| IdleOne | my system totaly becomes unresponsive | 14:09 |
| scizzo- | !bug 389686 | 14:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 389686 in metacity "compiz --replace fails to kill metacity, resulting in cpu overload" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389686 | 14:09 |
| Trewas | scizzo-: thanks for pointing out those bugs, no need to file a new one as it's known... and matt zimmerman has commented on one of those, so I can be fairly certain it will be looked after :) | 14:13 |
| scizzo- | well from what I can see is that all of those bugs are the same issue all the way...since one of them is noted to the gnome-bugs this should be a upstream metacity error | 14:14 |
| * penguin42 doesn't seem to have that; I guess it might be with compiz only | 14:15 | |
| scizzo- | penguin42: not sure | 14:15 |
| scizzo- | penguin42: those are interesting bugs though | 14:15 |
| Trewas | I don't use compiz and gconfd is not always wasting cpu, maybe it only happens after suspend | 14:15 |
| scizzo- | anyone that has come across the error of panel running when trying to run gnome-shell though? mine crashes directly | 14:21 |
| jonathonf | scizzo-: it's a conflict between xulrunner versions | 14:23 |
| jonathonf | remove xulrunner-1.9 and it should work | 14:24 |
| scizzo- | jonathonf: will give it a try | 14:25 |
| scizzo- | jonathonf: nice thanks | 14:26 |
| jonathonf | np, saw it in the forums | 14:27 |
| penguin42 | why? Does gnome-shell use xul? | 14:28 |
| scizzo- | penguin42: yes | 14:30 |
| giles_ | Is is possible to configure gdm so that the user logo is the photo in account information | 14:47 |
| giles_ | instead of the grey cluedo man? | 14:48 |
| * penguin42 remembers many years ago that some of the xdm logon things would use an image file in your home directoryh | 14:49 | |
| giles_ | penguin42: It seems to make sense to me that if you set your user photo, other apps (like gdm and pidgin) would use it. | 14:51 |
| giles_ | I was thinking of making a FR. | 14:51 |
| penguin42 | giles_: Yeh sounds reasonable | 14:51 |
| * scizzo- remember trying tvwm | 14:52 | |
| scizzo- | hehe | 14:52 |
| giles_ | penguin42: I can't find any features like it in gnome bugzilla | 14:55 |
| * penguin42 wonders if it's a generic Gnomeism or something ubuntu specific? I suspect it's generci | 14:55 | |
| penguin42 | ic | 14:55 |
| giles_ | penguin42: I don't know if its can be done via configuration, or whether it would have to be a feature of gdm/gnome | 15:03 |
| penguin42 | giles_: No I don't know - put a bug report in? | 15:04 |
| qense | is there a good guide for bridging your network for use with a VM? I can't find anything good, everything that seems to work doesn't show up in virt-manager | 15:05 |
| qense | I'm asking here because I use karmic | 15:05 |
| giles_ | qense: virtualbox? | 15:06 |
| qense | kvm | 15:06 |
| qense | is it easier with virtualbox? | 15:06 |
| eMyller_ | for curious about kde: http://tr.im/kdescreenshots :) | 15:06 |
| giles_ | you just choose a bridged network type in the gui | 15:06 |
| qense | that's the problem: in libvirt applications bridged networks don't show up | 15:07 |
| giles_ | qense: I don't have any experience with kvm sorry. | 15:07 |
| qense | thanks anyway for your suggestion | 15:08 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy all | 15:18 |
| penguin42 | Hi | 15:19 |
| kaddi | hi | 15:22 |
| === eMyller_ is now known as eMyller | ||
| durt | what's with the distribution upgrade? | 15:53 |
| kaddi | whats with it? | 15:59 |
| durt | had an issue with a couple of kde packages last night, I'm running Xubuntu, only needed them for K3B, so removed, now I started update manager, it asks to do a partial distribution upgrade? what gives? | 16:02 |
| scizzo- | durt: broken dependencies | 16:03 |
| durt | then why ask to remove 3 packages and bring in 71 new packages? most of which are stuff I removed a long time ago, not related to the kde package conflict. | 16:05 |
| scizzo- | maybe they are replaced by other packages | 16:05 |
| scizzo- | durt: run a: sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade to check package list and so on | 16:06 |
| scizzo- | durt: this is a very common case when it comes to deps changes and so on | 16:06 |
| durt | yes, I know. Maybe I'm not familiar with update manager, I would have thought that this would have been taken care of with a regular update, not a 'partial distro upgrade', now I have to get rid of bluez, brasero and all the other carp I hate :( | 16:08 |
| durt | *crap | 16:09 |
| scizzo- | I like brasero....nothing wrong with it | 16:09 |
| durt | I seem to have hardware issues, hence using K3B or Xfburn. | 16:10 |
| scizzo- | ok | 16:12 |
| jonathonf | grr... keep getting apps crashing with things like "CRITICAL:root:Duplicate object id 'alignment3'" This is a bit annoying | 16:20 |
| * penguin42 really needs to turn off graphical smileys; they don't work well with object paths like that | 16:42 | |
| scizzo- | penguin42: ? | 16:42 |
| scizzo- | penguin42: in what? | 16:42 |
| penguin42 | jonathonf's comment above | 16:42 |
| * penguin42 got a big fat smiley between root and uplicate | 16:43 | |
| scizzo- | penguin42: xchat? | 16:43 |
| jonathonf | lol | 16:43 |
| penguin42 | pidgin | 16:43 |
| scizzo- | haha | 16:44 |
| dodecanese | my cat told me: she has to use word, but i only got open office | 17:09 |
| dodecanese | is it hard for her to change? | 17:09 |
| penguin42 | maybe you can't teach an old cat new tricks? | 17:10 |
| BluesKaj | dodecanese, Open Office is supposed to be able to read Word documents, http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org/tutorial/Microsoft_Word_Files.html | 17:18 |
| mac_v | hmm... if a partition is mounted by another user and has not been unmounted , will the partition not be visible? | 17:47 |
| mac_v | to others? | 17:47 |
| penguin42 | I'd say it would normally be visible | 17:48 |
| burner | anyone know how to fix the cups-pdf printer? It's supposed to go to ~/PDF, but nothing shows up there. I've reinstalled cups-pdf and the printer shows fine, but no output | 17:51 |
| === TheImp is now known as TheInfinity | ||
| dodecanese | how cna i install KDE? | 18:21 |
| dodecanese | i got ubuntu, i want KDE and GNOME | 18:21 |
| kaddi | !kde | 18:21 |
| ubottu | KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . See http://kubuntu.org for more information. For more information on KDE 4, see !kde4 | 18:22 |
| dodecanese | thanks | 18:22 |
| dodecanese | !kde4 | 18:22 |
| ubottu | KDE 4.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.2 and http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.3 - Support in #kubuntu | 18:22 |
| jonathonf | i thought kde 4.3 was latest... | 18:24 |
| kaddi | it might need an update.. | 18:25 |
| malnilion | Considering xorg.conf no longer exists, how would one manually go about enabling UXA acceleration? | 18:33 |
| hifi | xorg.conf | 18:36 |
| mobious | hey all | 18:36 |
| penguin42 | malnilion: It doesn't stop you having an xorg.conf it just doesn't create one by default | 18:36 |
| malnilion | penguin42, noted, so I just add the appropriate devices section and options? | 18:36 |
| hifi | I think there is no way to change graphics driver settings than from a vendor panel (nvidia/ati) or xorg.conf | 18:37 |
| hifi | though the vendor panels probably output a xorg.conf | 18:37 |
| DanaG | hmm, UXA is Intel... should be on by default, shouldn't it? | 18:37 |
| BluesKaj | I still have an xorg.conf ...useless as it may be to edit with any success ") | 18:38 |
| hifi | malnilion: minimalistic approach works, create a empty xorg.conf and add only the device section | 18:38 |
| malnilion | DanaG, I think there are issues with stability so by default it is not enabled. I want to test Desktop Effects, though, dammit :P | 18:38 |
| mobious | could anyone point me to the right post .. just reinstalled and upgraded to karmic .. i get mouse and background then freeze after login ... cant find the right post with tty steps to fix this | 18:41 |
| === mobious is now known as ubernoober | ||
| malnilion | DanaG, I guess UXA might be "enabled" by default, but maybe I don't have Kernel Mode Setting enabled. | 18:43 |
| kaddi | kms IS enabled by default since alpha3 | 18:44 |
| kaddi | sry about the capslock | 18:44 |
| penguin42 | malnilion: grep for uxa in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 18:44 |
| DanaG | grep -i uxa | 18:44 |
| DanaG | i for "ignore case" | 18:44 |
| penguin42 | indeed, the i's have it | 18:44 |
| malnilion | DanaG, (II) UXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations: | 18:47 |
| DanaG | That seems to indicate it being enabled. | 18:47 |
| penguin42 | malnilion: Is your problem you can't do compiz? | 18:48 |
| malnilion | Yes. | 18:48 |
| penguin42 | malnilion: What graphics hardware do you have? | 18:48 |
| malnilion | intel mobile 945GME, I believe | 18:48 |
| penguin42 | malnilion: Me too; it seems to have got blacklisted or the like? | 18:48 |
| malnilion | Perhaps, but I've done some googling and people seem to have been able to get compiz working. | 18:49 |
| penguin42 | on 945 on karmic? | 18:49 |
| malnilion | I've had trouble finding guides on how to get it enabled on karmic. | 18:49 |
| penguin42 | it isn't clear to me if it's ment to be disabled because of some insability or if it's a bug | 18:50 |
| DanaG | try running 'compiz --replace &' in console. | 18:51 |
| malnilion | Huh, it says in that log that AIGLX is enabled as well. | 18:51 |
| malnilion | DanaG, hehe, that worked. | 18:52 |
| DanaG | hmm, so it looks like compiz is fine, then. | 18:52 |
| DanaG | oh, and to make it so compiz won' | 18:52 |
| malnilion | So should I kludge Gnome to run that on startup? | 18:52 |
| DanaG | won't end when you close the terminal, now run 'disown'. | 18:52 |
| DanaG | You should be able to use the gnome appearance thingy. Just cancel the "searching for drivers" thing. | 18:53 |
| malnilion | Oh, okay. | 18:53 |
| meoblast001 | hi | 18:58 |
| scizzo- | hello | 18:58 |
| meoblast001 | will there by any chance be any more PulseAudio fixes in the next version of ubuntu? | 18:59 |
| BluesKaj | !pulseaudio | 19:02 |
| ubottu | PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions | 19:02 |
| itswhatev | speaking of pa.. what do i need to do in order to capture the internal mix of the sound card? for recordmydesktop or other similar | 19:09 |
| ubernoober | hey all can anyone help me ..hangs on login | 19:18 |
| kaddi | ubernoober: can you log into the tty? | 19:22 |
| ubernoober | yup im there now | 19:22 |
| kaddi | can you start the displaymanager from there? maybe you'll get an error message or something giving mor insight into the problem | 19:23 |
| ubernoober | startx? | 19:23 |
| ubernoober | gives errors .. fatal server error .. allready active for display 0 | 19:25 |
| ubernoober | @kaddi the problem is known .. i juct cant find the post anymore ;[ think its intel 82830 gcc related | 19:27 |
| kaddi | ubernoober: :( I've had my problems with intel as well. I know there a reps for updated X and such for jaunty, maybe the same exists for karmic and will help you? | 19:28 |
| ubernoober | boots fine no errors . login screen comes up , enter password and cursor spins then hangs there , mouse moves .. kb frozen | 19:28 |
| ubernoober | i had karmic up and running before this .. fixed the intel problem great .. now im stuck @ login | 19:29 |
| kaddi | ubernoober: did you apply any updates that might have broken your install? | 19:30 |
| kaddi | (do you happen to have kde and gnome installed and could crosstest?) | 19:31 |
| ubernoober | its a fresh install jaunty updated , then upgraded , then updatemanager -d | 19:31 |
| kaddi | ubernoober: sorry I didn#t see your first question. I meant "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" if you are using gnome as default, "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart" if you are using kde | 19:31 |
| ubernoober | lastnight .. so nothing installed @ all | 19:32 |
| kaddi | to restart your displaymanager | 19:32 |
| ubernoober | ok will try | 19:32 |
| ubernoober | psgnome | 19:32 |
| ubernoober | command not found | 19:34 |
| ubernoober | nothing in caps? | 19:35 |
| kaddi | no, but I'm only really familiar with kde, so maybe the command is different for psgnome | 19:36 |
| ubernoober | gnome ..ps | 19:36 |
| kaddi | ah, lol, I was wondering.. had never heard of psgnome :p | 19:36 |
| ubernoober | ;p | 19:36 |
| DanaG | !info psgnome | 19:37 |
| ubottu | Package psgnome does not exist in karmic | 19:37 |
| ubernoober | ... lol!gnome | 19:37 |
| kaddi | ubernoober: are you sure that gnome is installed? (it did work on jaunty I suppose?) | 19:38 |
| ubernoober | yup .. sortaif you couldread it | 19:38 |
| ubernoober | space bar is sticky ;[ sry | 19:38 |
| ubernoober | im guessing that apt uninstall gmome and reinstall wont work | 19:39 |
| vahirua | hi, I just installed kubuntu karmic and for some reason I keep getting "No such file or directory" for a lot of stuff... it might be because of a missing symlink to kde4.py? | 19:40 |
| kaddi | it might be worth a try... at this stage I would guess it can't hurt.. | 19:40 |
| ubernoober | its a tester for shure lol nothing on the drive so y not | 19:40 |
| BluesKaj | ubernoober, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde | 19:41 |
| popey | itswhatev: jack | 19:41 |
| itswhatev | popey: just install it and i'm gold or configure something specific? | 19:42 |
| kaddi | ubernoober: maybe try and see if you can run karmic from a live-cd as well? | 19:42 |
| ubernoober | no burner ;[ | 19:42 |
| ubernoober | acer travelmate 220 14 yrs old | 19:43 |
| kaddi | ubernoober: hehe and I thought I stood out with my 661 ;) | 19:43 |
| ubernoober | i still got a 580 mb hd kicking around | 19:44 |
| popey | itswhatev: needs starting, use jackctl to configure/start it | 19:44 |
| kaddi | hehe, the 661 was my first pc.. and it came with 40Gb of harddisk! :o | 19:44 |
| * penguin42 flings his 64MB 5.25" FH disc at ubernoober | 19:45 | |
| ubernoober | i had 12' floppies on mine | 19:45 |
| popey | itswhatev: http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/Mixing_A_Podcast_In_Ardour_-_Part_1 that screencast talks a little about jack | 19:45 |
| ubernoober | lol penguin | 19:45 |
| * ubernoober fondly remembers his comoidor "pet" | 19:46 | |
| NoelJB | ubernoober, what kind of graphics card? | 19:50 |
| ubernoober | in the acer its a intel 82830m gcc rev 4 i think | 19:51 |
| ubernoober | 8 or 16 meg ;[ | 19:51 |
| NoelJB | ubernoober, ah, sorry. probably can't help, if you'd said nvidia, I'd have had a good guess on the problem. | 19:52 |
| ubernoober | me too lol | 19:52 |
| ubernoober | had this happen 2 weeks ago when i first tried this , googled it and found a post in launchpad or ubuntu forums ... tty in change a file"cant remember" and reboot | 19:54 |
| ubernoober | cant find it now ... 4 hours searching | 19:54 |
| penguin42 | hmph, X died | 20:08 |
| * penguin42 has had little look with describing poorly repeatable X crashes | 20:11 | |
| x1250 | mmm, nautilus 100% cpu usage is making me sick :S | 20:40 |
| === Dragnslicer is now known as Dragnslcr | ||
| tux | i thought they were replacing rhythmbox with banshee? | 21:01 |
| NoelJB | x1250, GUI apps freezing while I type, with high IOWAIT is driving ME nuts. :-) | 21:02 |
| x1250 | nothing compared to my EXT4 data loss yesterday :), more than 6 hours of kdenlive wasted, haha. I love EXT4 :/ | 21:04 |
| * x1250 sighs | 21:04 | |
| penguin42 | x1250: I'll switch to ext4 in a few years.... | 21:06 |
| NoelJB | x1250, yikes ... penguin42 I figure 2011 or so. | 21:07 |
| x1250 | data=journal fixes the issue, or at least thats what the web says. I wonder why EXT4 ubuntu defaults are so insecure. A power outage will make your files 0 bytes, by default. Insane. | 21:09 |
| virtuald | what's the default data=? | 21:13 |
| x1250 | I think its ordered.... from a webpage: | 21:20 |
| x1250 | * ordered mode | 21:20 |
| x1250 | In data=ordered mode, ext4 only officially journals metadata, but it logically | 21:20 |
| x1250 | groups metadata and data blocks into a single unit called a transaction. When | 21:20 |
| x1250 | it's time to write the new metadata out to disk, the associated data blocks | 21:20 |
| x1250 | are written first. In general, this mode performs slightly slower than | 21:20 |
| x1250 | writeback but significantly faster than journal mode. | 21:20 |
| x1250 | and its true, journal is slower. | 21:20 |
| penguin42 | I think there is some work pending to get a compromise between the modes | 21:22 |
| andresmujica | normally the best tradeoff between performance and security is ordered... journalling the metadata and no the data itself even NTFS use it | 21:23 |
| tgpraveen1 | !info libtheora | 21:24 |
| ubottu | Package libtheora does not exist in karmic | 21:25 |
| penguin42 | tgpraveen1: There's a libtheora0 | 21:25 |
| tgpraveen1 | !info libtheora0 | 21:26 |
| ubottu | libtheora0 (source: libtheora): The Theora Video Compression Codec. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0-2.1build1 (karmic), package size 282 kB, installed size 764 kB | 21:26 |
| x1250 | andresmujica, I was using ordered when lost my data. I had a power outage and was editing a project in kdenlive. Rebooted, and boom, 0 bytes. | 21:26 |
| x1250 | bad luck maybe, but it happened twice! | 21:26 |
| andresmujica | sadly, it seems to be flacky in ext4... it's the ext3 default too... | 21:27 |
| penguin42 | x1250: My understanding is there is a defined way for apps to ensure there data is saved in that case (and it's standard posix semantics but most people don't quite follow it) | 21:27 |
| x1250 | /var/log/./messages:5466:Aug 20 22:31:13 daniel-laptop kernel: [ 13.651969] EXT4-fs (sda6): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode | 21:28 |
| x1250 | penguin42, yeah, but I talked to some kdenlive devs and they said they wouldn't do it. And people say posix is just flawed and should be changed. I agree on that one. | 21:30 |
| x1250 | (on that specific matter) | 21:31 |
| malnilion | Anybody know a good way to trick websites into thinking you have an older version of Flash? | 21:43 |
| NoelJB | malnilion, no, and I've had that experience with a bank a while back. | 21:47 |
| malnilion | MySpace is the offender for me | 21:47 |
| NoelJB | malnilion, ah well MySpace is taking themselves out of relevance, so good luck getting anything fixed on that service. | 21:48 |
| malnilion | Right-o, it's a shame that bands I listen to almost exclusively use it. | 21:48 |
| NoelJB | I didn't realize that anyone over the (mental) age of tween still did. | 21:49 |
| malnilion | Yeah...small bands have a tendency to set up a myspace page rather than hire a web developer and pay for costs associated with running a website. | 21:50 |
| malnilion | And it's funny, too, because I'm pretty sure a lot of them pay someone to jazz up their myspace pages, lol | 21:51 |
| malnilion | But yeah, I've always hated the site. | 21:51 |
| nhasian | how come the daily build only has the alternate install cd? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ | 21:57 |
| malnilion | nhasian, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 22:01 |
| cyberkilla | Anybody know about the nvidia drivers? I'm having serious problems as of this morning. | 22:01 |
| NoelJB | cyberkilla, what problem? And which driver is installed? | 22:01 |
| cyberkilla | Hello! | 22:02 |
| nhasian | malnilion, ah thank you! | 22:02 |
| cyberkilla | It is driver 185.18.36 | 22:02 |
| cyberkilla | I was nagged to do a "partial upgrade" this morning. | 22:02 |
| cyberkilla | It installed 24MiB of extra packages | 22:02 |
| NoelJB | OK. | 22:02 |
| cyberkilla | One of the new packages was clearly an nvidia driver... | 22:03 |
| cyberkilla | It asked me to reboot to complete the upgrade.. | 22:03 |
| NoelJB | the partial may have been related to codec stuff that hasn't built properly. | 22:03 |
| cyberkilla | Unfortunately, it booted into the console, as X failed to start. | 22:03 |
| NoelJB | I still have 3 packages waiting to be replaced. | 22:03 |
| popey | cyberkilla: i had the same | 22:03 |
| popey | sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-185 fixed it | 22:04 |
| cyberkilla | I believe I fixed it by editing the xorg.conf file | 22:04 |
| nhasian | yeah i havent done the distribution update yet for the nvidia stuff. i think it will be a normal update when all parts are released right? | 22:04 |
| cyberkilla | It hadn't fully installed the driver. | 22:04 |
| cyberkilla | However, once I had the driver working, I ran into another problem. | 22:04 |
| NoelJB | nhasian, the only things that haven't updated for me are libavformat52 libpostproc51 libswscale0 | 22:04 |
| cyberkilla | The driver is unstable; it displays artifacts on the screen, flickers, hangs and eventually reboots the laptop. | 22:05 |
| popey | cyberkilla: you should file a bug using the commend "ubuntu-bug nvidia-glx-185" | 22:05 |
| NoelJB | cyberkilla, boot to a recovery console. try to purge and reinstall the driver. | 22:05 |
| cyberkilla | Okay. | 22:06 |
| NoelJB | cyberkilla, you could also try nvidia-glx-190 if you are so inclined. I used that until yesterday, when nvidia finally got a 185 out that actually works. | 22:06 |
| cyberkilla | I will try that. I actually tried "sudo apt-get remove nvidia-*" and put everything back manually | 22:06 |
| NoelJB | so 190.18.03 was working just fine. | 22:06 |
| cyberkilla | But the same problem exists. I'll try purging | 22:06 |
| cyberkilla | I tried 190 too | 22:06 |
| cyberkilla | same problem | 22:06 |
| bjsnider | cyberkilla, what card is this? | 22:06 |
| NoelJB | Oh, then something sounds a bit more b0rked. | 22:06 |
| cyberkilla | It is a Sony Vaio VGN-AR41E with an NVidia 8400M GT | 22:07 |
| NoelJB | ah, bjsnider is the team maintainer for the nvidia PPA. :-) | 22:07 |
| bjsnider | ever try it with windows? | 22:07 |
| cyberkilla | It works with Vista, which sits in a tiny partition just incase Ubuntu breaks. | 22:07 |
| bjsnider | maybe your hardware is busted | 22:07 |
| bjsnider | are you at the console right now? | 22:08 |
| cyberkilla | Also, it worked fine until this morning, JUST after the upgrade | 22:08 |
| popey | cyberkilla: please, file a bug | 22:08 |
| cyberkilla | A bit coincidental for the hardware to break just after the update. | 22:08 |
| bjsnider | i thought you said it didn't work even when it worked | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | what's the best app to search for dupes among 1TiB of files?? | 22:09 |
| cyberkilla | I'm not on the console | 22:09 |
| cyberkilla | I'm using the vesa driver | 22:09 |
| popey | BUGabundo: fdupes | 22:09 |
| penguin42 | BUGabundo: The whole files? | 22:09 |
| bjsnider | open up the console and run dkms status | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | thanks popey | 22:09 |
| cyberkilla | And I have booted into Windows Vista with it's Aero glass working fine (which requires acceleration) | 22:09 |
| cyberkilla | okay | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: merge of 4 older disk to a new one for backups | 22:09 |
| cyberkilla | nvidia, 173.14.16: added | 22:10 |
| cyberkilla | strange message | 22:10 |
| penguin42 | popey: Oh cool, I didn't know about fdupes | 22:10 |
| bjsnider | wha? | 22:10 |
| BUGabundo | attention everyone with Nvidia probs: distupgrade now. module require so | 22:10 |
| cyberkilla | Although I have been swapping in and out of 173 and 185 to see if there was a difference | 22:10 |
| cyberkilla | okay | 22:10 |
| bjsnider | ah, i see | 22:10 |
| bjsnider | the 173 won't build ont he new kernel | 22:11 |
| cyberkilla | Clearly not. It doesn't even get into X | 22:11 |
| BUGabundo | I got safe | 22:11 |
| BUGabundo | I was worried yesterday | 22:11 |
| BUGabundo | but then I did aptitude full-upgrade | 22:11 |
| BUGabundo | and got new modules | 22:11 |
| BUGabundo | all O K | 22:11 |
| bjsnider | why doesn't upgrade-manager do this for people? | 22:12 |
| BUGabundo | no idea | 22:12 |
| cyberkilla | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 22:12 |
| cyberkilla | nvidia-185-libvdpau{u} | 22:12 |
| cyberkilla | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 22:12 |
| cyberkilla | that is what it's telling me | 22:12 |
| BUGabundo | maybe its one of those were *partial* updates helpd | 22:13 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 22:13 |
| bjsnider | cyberkilla, remove all traces of the 173 driver | 22:13 |
| cyberkilla | understood | 22:13 |
| BUGabundo | cyberkilla: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade && sudo aptitude full-upgrade | 22:13 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: do you know why so many times that stops after update? | 22:14 |
| cyberkilla | if I remove all traces, it pulls away nvidia-common | 22:14 |
| BUGabundo | and doesn't excecute the && ? | 22:14 |
| cyberkilla | is that important? | 22:14 |
| cyberkilla | it doesn't seem to find anything in jockey without it | 22:14 |
| cyberkilla | should I leave the modaliases for 173? | 22:14 |
| bjsnider | BUGabundo, all i know is that i never have to run command-lin upgrade commands | 22:14 |
| BUGabundo | I like it | 22:15 |
| cyberkilla | Doesn't matter, I've done it | 22:15 |
| cyberkilla | but I've left nvidia-common installed | 22:15 |
| bjsnider | cyberkilla, no, take out the modaliases too | 22:15 |
| cyberkilla | okay | 22:15 |
| cyberkilla | done | 22:15 |
| bjsnider | cyberkilla, remove nvidia-common | 22:16 |
| bjsnider | this old crap is mucking up the works | 22:16 |
| cyberkilla | I have done: ) | 22:16 |
| cyberkilla | What now? | 22:16 |
| bjsnider | install nvidia-glx-185 | 22:16 |
| cyberkilla | okay | 22:16 |
| bjsnider | and the modaliases package | 22:16 |
| bjsnider | that will give you alisting in jockey | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | popey: time fdupes -rSm . ; 14 duplicate files (in 1 sets), occupying 0 bytes.; real0m0.005s | 22:17 |
| bjsnider | after it finishes, run dkms status | 22:17 |
| cyberkilla | ok | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | not sure if that is so good LOL | 22:17 |
| cyberkilla | okay, it's installed | 22:18 |
| bjsnider | it says installed? | 22:18 |
| cyberkilla | nvidia, 185.18.36, 2.6.31-6-generic, i686: installed | 22:18 |
| bjsnider | now assuming your xorg.conf file isn't full of obfuscated nonsensery, it will start after a reboot | 22:19 |
| cyberkilla | it's almost empty | 22:19 |
| cyberkilla | just the bare minimum stuff that was there in the first place | 22:19 |
| bjsnider | and the nvidia driver | 22:20 |
| cyberkilla | It will boot, but it will display artifacts, forcing me to jump to a tty and set it to vesa | 22:20 |
| cyberkilla | I'll try though | 22:20 |
| cyberkilla | will you hang around for me to return? | 22:20 |
| bjsnider | yeah | 22:20 |
| cyberkilla | thanks a lot:) | 22:20 |
| bjsnider | maybe you aren't giving it enough ram | 22:21 |
| cyberkilla | I have 2GB | 22:21 |
| cyberkilla | it has 128 dedicated | 22:21 |
| bjsnider | i'd dedicate 512 | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | doh | 22:21 |
| cyberkilla | i don't think it shares any in ubuntu. In vista, it can dynamically allocate system memory if it needs more | 22:21 |
| cyberkilla | rather than in XP, where it reserves a chunk and makes your ram lower | 22:21 |
| bjsnider | you can't change it thru the bios? | 22:22 |
| BUGabundo | I was running fdupes on the wrong dir | 22:22 |
| BUGabundo | lolol | 22:22 |
| cyberkilla | It has always worked before though. Why would it change now? | 22:22 |
| cyberkilla | Also, it DOES display some incorrect statistics in the nvidia control panel | 22:22 |
| cyberkilla | It says it has more than 128 VRAM | 22:23 |
| cyberkilla | but it's lying, unless it's counting something it's allocated from system ram | 22:23 |
| bjsnider | install the nvidia-settings-190 package | 22:23 |
| cyberkilla | okay | 22:23 |
| dongle | when gdm fix will be released ? bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/410475 | 22:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 410475 in gdm "gdmsetup crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Medium,Fix released] | 22:24 |
| cyberkilla | since I'm in vesa, I fear it will not work | 22:24 |
| cyberkilla | I will only be able to test it after the reboot | 22:24 |
| bjsnider | i didn't mean test it without the nvidia driver loaded | 22:24 |
| cyberkilla | :) | 22:25 |
| cyberkilla | okay, back in 5 | 22:25 |
| dongle | yeah gdm is working but have to start by sudo gdm from console | 22:28 |
| dongle | any workaround | 22:28 |
| cyberkilla | Hello again | 22:33 |
| cyberkilla | It hasn't worked | 22:33 |
| cyberkilla | I can only stop it from crashing by pressing CTRL+ALT+F5 as soon as it shows artifacts | 22:34 |
| cyberkilla | then I can return to X | 22:34 |
| cyberkilla | what can I do? this driver clearly has issues with me | 22:36 |
| bjsnider | what was the last driver that worked? | 22:36 |
| NoelJB | If you think that .31 worked, that is still in the main repos. | 22:37 |
| cyberkilla | Hello? | 22:37 |
| bjsnider | cyberkilla, what was the last driver that worked? | 22:38 |
| cyberkilla | 183, i think | 22:40 |
| bjsnider | there wasn't one | 22:40 |
| cyberkilla | I'm not sure what it was, because I didn't expect a new "stable" driver to fail | 22:40 |
| cyberkilla | it was a 18x | 22:41 |
| bjsnider | ok | 22:41 |
| NoelJB | bjsnider, since it broke on cyberkilla this morning, dpkg.log should have the data on which one was removed. | 22:47 |
| === mcgreevyj is now known as cyberkilla | ||
| cyberkilla | Hello? | 22:48 |
| cyberkilla | I am sorry about that. I have had a full conversation with you before I realised nmapplet had crashed with X | 22:49 |
| cyberkilla | I don't know how long this will last before another crash:) | 22:49 |
| cyberkilla | As I said whilst offline, I can prevent the system crash if I switch to a TTY when I notice any artifacts in the X session | 22:50 |
| cyberkilla | I can then return to the X session for a small period of time. | 22:50 |
| cyberkilla | The degredation is hastened by moving windows, opening new ones, etc. | 22:50 |
| cyberkilla | This leads me to believe that the problem is with memory | 22:50 |
| cyberkilla | As soon as it starts allocating memory, the problems occur | 22:51 |
| cyberkilla | The nvidia settings manager states 512MiB of memory is available, but I know for a fact that the card only has 128 installed | 22:51 |
| cyberkilla | ping | 22:51 |
| cyberkilla | Hello? | 22:52 |
| dodecanese | 512mb is shared with system memory | 22:52 |
| dodecanese | so you got 128mb dedicated vram and 384mb is sysmem | 22:52 |
| cyberkilla | shared, as in "reserved", or shared as in "allocated if needed"? | 22:52 |
| dodecanese | shared as allocate | 22:53 |
| dodecanese | if needed | 22:53 |
| cyberkilla | ah, good | 22:53 |
| dodecanese | my gfx card has 2gb, and could access to 8gb textures when needed | 22:54 |
| NoelJB | cyberkilla, since it broke this morning, dpkg.log should have the data on which driver was removed. | 22:54 |
| cyberkilla | NoelJB, I have installed 185 | 22:54 |
| cyberkilla | And removed all others. | 22:54 |
| cyberkilla | 185.18.36 | 22:54 |
| cyberkilla | It obviously doesn't work with my hardware, which is odd for a "stable" driver release. | 22:55 |
| cyberkilla | Unfortunately, there are no alternatives in the repository now. | 22:55 |
| cyberkilla | Is nobody else complaining of the same thing? | 22:55 |
| dongle | cyberkilla: :) | 22:55 |
| NoelJB | cyberkilla, I meant to answer bjsnider's question about which one had been working before this morning's upgrades. | 22:55 |
| dongle | cyberkilla: can you repeat ur problem | 22:55 |
| cyberkilla | I can find threads in the forum that mention the failed X lauch, but everyone is fine after they install the driver properly. | 22:56 |
| cyberkilla | In my case, I have installed the driver, but it is unstable. | 22:56 |
| cyberkilla | Okay, this is my problem... | 22:56 |
| cyberkilla | This morning, I checked the update manager. | 22:56 |
| cyberkilla | It told me there was an update. I clicked to look, and a "partial upgrade" dialog popped up. | 22:57 |
| cyberkilla | I complied, and clicked to recieve the upgrade. | 22:57 |
| cyberkilla | It installed 24MiB of packages, including an nvidia driver. | 22:57 |
| cyberkilla | It asked me to reboot the computer to complete the upgrade. | 22:57 |
| cyberkilla | After the reboot, X did not start, because the upgrade had failed to install one of the driver's packages. | 22:58 |
| cyberkilla | It might not have changed the xorg.conf either, but I can't recall now. FYI, it is set to nvidia, now, so that is not the problem. | 22:58 |
| cyberkilla | I managed to fix the issue by installing the missing package(s). | 22:58 |
| cyberkilla | Having installed the packages, I found that X would start | 22:59 |
| cyberkilla | I managed to log into my user account, but from there trouble started. | 22:59 |
| bjsnider | this only started this morning? | 22:59 |
| cyberkilla | In fact, there were often artifacts at the login screen, so it wasn't something that appeared after logging in. | 23:00 |
| cyberkilla | yes, immediately after the upgrade | 23:00 |
| bjsnider | well, try the 190 driver | 23:00 |
| cyberkilla | The artifacts are the first thing I notice. | 23:00 |
| cyberkilla | After that, the system hangs intermittently for a few seconds | 23:00 |
| cyberkilla | The screen will often flicker, then there is the almost certain crash and automatic system reboot | 23:01 |
| cyberkilla | I have rebooted so many times today that I've had two "routine HDD maintainence" checks | 23:01 |
| cyberkilla | The driver is buggy, but so is the 190 driver | 23:02 |
| cyberkilla | and the 173 driver doesn't even boot into X | 23:02 |
| bjsnider | the 173 does not build on that kernel | 23:02 |
| cyberkilla | fair enough | 23:02 |
| cyberkilla | that explains why 173 fails | 23:02 |
| cyberkilla | is there any alternative? | 23:03 |
| dodecanese | 185.18.36 | 23:03 |
| cyberkilla | I have that one now | 23:03 |
| cyberkilla | and it exhibits the same artifacts as the non-PPA | 23:03 |
| bjsnider | try the karmic 180 driver. disable the ppa | 23:04 |
| bjsnider | that should still be the older one | 23:05 |
| cyberkilla | 180? it says it is a transitional package | 23:05 |
| dongle | cyberkilla: can you check how much memory is being shared to vga via bios ? | 23:05 |
| bjsnider | disable the ppa, install nvidia-glx-180 | 23:05 |
| cyberkilla | I don't think so | 23:05 |
| cyberkilla | it's avaio | 23:05 |
| cyberkilla | I Have almost NO controls in bios | 23:05 |
| cyberkilla | only the ability to change date, time and boot order | 23:06 |
| cyberkilla | don't ask me why. Sony are pathetic | 23:06 |
| cyberkilla | *Vaio | 23:06 |
| cyberkilla | okay, I'll try 180, but I didn't think it was a driver | 23:07 |
| cyberkilla | it looks like a dummy package to move people to 185 | 23:07 |
| cyberkilla | I was right | 23:09 |
| cyberkilla | it's just a package that depends on 185 | 23:10 |
| cyberkilla | Damn, this is annoying | 23:10 |
| bjsnider | well, install theirs | 23:11 |
| bjsnider | see if it works | 23:11 |
| bjsnider | the .36 driver contains changes designed to enable it to work on quadro m chips. those changes could have introduced regressions in some other mobile chips | 23:13 |
| dodecanese | heh | 23:13 |
| dodecanese | anyone uses kde? | 23:13 |
| dongle | dodecanese: :) | 23:16 |
| NoelJB | dodecanese, KDE is Kool, but Gnome is Gnice. :-) | 23:18 |
| dongle | kde broke my fresh install. gdm,grub,nautilus,.Xauthority.... all sort of errors popping on fail install | 23:19 |
| slacker_nl | is the newest kernel packaged? rc7/ | 23:20 |
| slacker_nl | ? | 23:20 |
| dongle | specially kdebase-workspace-bin installation. | 23:20 |
| === mcgreevyj is now known as cyberkilla | ||
| cyberkilla | Back | 23:24 |
| cyberkilla | the damned thing keeps dying on me. | 23:24 |
| cyberkilla | I've tried 190 again, and it's no luck. | 23:24 |
| cyberkilla | How can I get the driver I had originally? | 23:24 |
| dongle | cyberkilla: hmm | 23:24 |
| cyberkilla | I was convinced I had a 18x | 23:24 |
| dongle | cyberkilla: use nvidia driver uninstall utility | 23:24 |
| cyberkilla | I don't know what that is. | 23:25 |
| dongle | cyberkilla: did you installed latest drivers from nvidia website ? | 23:26 |
| cyberkilla | No | 23:26 |
| cyberkilla | From the repository. | 23:26 |
| cyberkilla | A PPA was suggested on a thread in the forum. It's the 185.18.36 version | 23:27 |
| cyberkilla | but the 185.18.x version in the karmic repository (without PPA) still has the same problem | 23:27 |
| cyberkilla | As does the 190.x driver in the PPA | 23:27 |
| cyberkilla | So I don't know what's going on. | 23:27 |
| cyberkilla | My hardware is marked as supported by the release notes | 23:28 |
| cyberkilla | And the 185.18.36 release is supposed to be the stable release | 23:28 |
| dongle | cyberkilla: try uninstalling all other driver versions. 96/173/180... once done, reinstall 185. run nvidia-xserver as sudo. reboot. hopefully it will work. | 23:29 |
| bjsnider | nvidia-xserver? not familiar with that command | 23:31 |
| dongle | nvidia-xserver = > nvidia-xconfig | 23:31 |
| bjsnider | oh, good heavens don't use that crap | 23:31 |
| bjsnider | that's what jockey is for | 23:31 |
| dongle | it worked for me | 23:31 |
| bjsnider | xconfig will put old garbage in the xorg.conf file | 23:32 |
| dongle | it will backup first | 23:32 |
| DefTone7 | can someone tell what driver to use for my hp dv4-1435dx laptop? I need to set up the wireless. | 23:37 |
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