[00:04] wow [00:04] just booting karmic [00:04] red blue and white clusters [00:05] yeah thats funny [00:05] your ubuntu is over the jordan [00:06] meep, 119 updates [00:06] * Twigaathy should update more often! [00:06] i updated today, 2GB downloaded [00:06] Twigaathy: right now I'm only doing it once or maybe twice a day [00:07] i do it twice a day, but my wife said its ok [00:07] well, for the last 3 days I've been fiddling with raid and didn't want to update *anything* :) === nhandler is now known as evilnhandler === Grantbow_ is now known as Grantbow [00:25] hehe i try if gentoo or arch works [00:25] its an amd phenom quadcore 3.2 [00:25] comiling on this machine will rock [00:27] why is pidgin being replaced? [00:28] dotblank: the reason is mentioned on www.ubuntu.com/testing [00:28] cause swineflu [00:28] pidgin sounds to much like pigs, thats why they stripped it from the release [00:29] wait [00:29] dodecanese: mind the language a little please [00:29] I thought they were doing away with dbus? [00:30] w/e one reason I saw was lack for video support [00:30] yet it was added in 2.6.1 [01:02] how stable/unstable is karmic alpha4? thinking of doing a fresh install. [01:02] codeamuk: it's a devel [01:02] anything can happen [01:02] and get a daily [01:03] better then Alpha4 [01:03] will do, thx [01:03] !daily [01:03] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [01:05] but no big issues atm? [01:05] none that I can recall [01:05] other then the unfixed ones [01:05] :) [01:06] like no autologin [01:06] some audio probs [01:06] some e-sata probs [01:06] etc [01:06] ok, thx. no worries just want to test on a non-production box. [01:07] ok [01:17] I upgraded to Karmic and when I try to boot I get a message saying something about searching for encrypted devices but just sits there and waits. [01:20] mtecknology: tryied crl+c ? [01:21] BUGabundo: no change - the system is on an encrypted partition [01:22] ahh [01:22] no help from me [01:22] I just use encfs [01:22] Begin: Waiting for encrypted source device... ... === _biovore_ is now known as BioVore [01:22] why the heck is gconf2-d using so much cpu? [01:22] it continously uses 22 percent of m cpu without any reason [01:22] dodecanese: no idea [01:22] I have it too some times [01:23] some say its metacity running over compiz [01:23] if you have compiz try to kill metacity [01:23] metacity? [01:23] wait [01:24] its something when trying to start compiz and it fails [01:24] killing metacity and starting it again helps with that [01:24] sounds like a spaghetti code sausage [01:24] BUGabundo: this sucks :( - I can reinstall but I created ~4 docs I don't want to have to rewrite [01:25] mtecknology: boot from a jaunty livecd/usb? [01:25] there is a bug report on the metacity+compiz problem [01:25] what would I do though? [01:26] hrm....... [01:26] mtecknology: backup? [01:27] ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxx does not exist. Dropping to a shell! [01:27] I believe I now know what to do from thge live cd [01:28] ok [01:28] good [01:28] cause I can't help you any further [01:28] its above my expertise [01:28] that may mean the fstab entry for that disk is incorrect [01:29] check the uuid in that file against the ones listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid [01:29] now... if I have a live cd....... my cd case is at a friends house [01:29] heeheh [01:30] *always* cary a backup cd or usb [01:30] running a devel version without it is Crime [01:30] punishable with Data Loss [01:30] If you know the device path, you can just edit the boot line to go root=/dev/sdwhatever [01:31] hoping that's all that needs to be done... [01:31] 1% dloaded [01:32] * DanaG uses truecrypt -- I don't want the risk of full-disk encryption. [01:34] Somebody wanted to see me encrypt something 5 different times - so I proved it's possible and just stuck w/ the encryption of the drive [01:35] eheh [01:35] not sure you won't that bet [01:35] why not? [01:35] just broke upgrading to an unstable release [01:36] encrypted drive, encrypted home, truecrypt, hidden volume, gpg - I won ;) [01:36] 2% [01:37] Encrypted drive? how's that step done? [01:40] DanaG: why not? [01:41] huh? [01:41] you mean to ask BUGabundo that? [01:41] no [01:41] no me [01:41] eheh [01:41] [19:37] Encrypted drive? how's that step done? [01:41] oh.... [01:41] yeah, the answer "why not?" doesn't make sense there. [01:42] mind: s/one/done/ [01:42] encrypted partition [01:43] only thing not encrypted is /boot and /vm - I told him if I wanted I could put /boot on a sd disk [01:43] ah. [01:43] If I wanted a secure drive, I could just use an ATA password, couldn't I? [01:44] Or is that not enough? [01:45] 3% :D [01:45] how do you do that? [01:45] don't you need a special drive>? [01:46] All drives nowadays should support it; what matters more is that the system BIOS supports it. [01:46] google for ATA security. [01:47] I'll do that [01:48] DanaG: got it [02:08] im off to bed. cu tommorow [02:11] i wonder why BUGabundo's name appears italic in pidgin. [02:41] I'm trying to play a DVD and the sound is choppy to the point that it's unbearable. Any ideas on what I could fiddle with? [02:52] I'm trying to play a DVD and the sound is choppy to the point that it's unbearable. Any ideas on what I could fiddle with? [02:53] yeah but it wont fix your sound lol [02:55] * Dr_Willis wonders what kind of dvd's IdleOne 's been watching. :P [02:55] haha [02:55] Time to test out the kubuntu netbook edition of 9.10. [02:56] wish more people would seed the alternate cd [02:56] 8 hours to go [02:56] I normally dont try the torrents till its actually released. Never seemed to be enough seeders testing the alphas [02:57] but on the day of release.. thats when i can REALLY see how fast my torrents can get. :) [02:57] I was thinking the whole cd took under 10 min last time. [03:00] well torrent is available so i figure save canonical the bandwidth [03:00] but I'm starting to rethink [03:01] Yea. with all the variants and changes , its proberly easier to just get the thing direct [03:01] its sad when ya see people still seeding the Earlier releases.. because they dont know any better. :) === evilnhandler is now known as nhandler === zehrique_ is now known as zehrique [04:13] how come when i went from karmic alpha to jaunty there is a different version of ktorrent? [04:13] do different ubuntus install different versions of software from packages with the same name? [04:15] How do one goes from karmic alpha to jaunty? o.o [04:16] The quick answer: you don't. [04:16] It is possible....... but it's very highly inadvisable. [04:19] its pretty easy, format....install jaunty [04:20] karmic just kept rotting away on me [04:20] Or better: restore from backups. [04:20] first my sound stopped working, except garbled sound only from the mozilla flash plugin and no other application [04:21] then i closed a program once and it erased all my panel icons... [04:21] xorg would crash spontaneously [04:21] but thats the risk of playing with an alpha [04:21] wierd how sensless the problems i got were tho [04:22] btw, are we supposed to have flickerless boot by KK? (since the new gdm could well give you epilepsy) [04:22] but anyway i dont get why different ubuntus install different ktorrent clients [04:31] xim_- you don't understand why a newer version of Ubuntu would have a newer version of specific program? [04:32] no dont they all link to metapackages of the newest version of whatever program it is? [04:33] No [04:33] Each version of Ubuntu has its own set of repositories [04:33] still, its not like the new ktorrent is TOO AWSOME to run on jaunty [04:34] *but i didnt know that [04:34] First, if they all used the same repositories, there wouldn't be a point to releasing new versions [04:34] second, not everything plays nicely together like it should [04:35] sometimes program x will break program y [04:35] Second, you generally don't want to change to new major versions of programs in the middle of an Ubuntu version. Most people want at least a little stability in their operating system [04:36] i guess [04:36] im 75% convinced ;p [04:37] it seems like a crummier version of ktorrent than was on my ubuntu hardy. but crummy is in the eye of the beholder i spose [04:40] well, maybe ktorrent is going 100 miles per hour in the wrong direction [04:42] possible [04:42] possibly [04:42] possiblie [04:43] where nothing can possiblie go wrong....possibly go wrong....thats the first thing thats ever gone wrong === spOO` is now known as spO [05:47] sorry for the reconnections, am tryint to get quassel to give me the correct username automatically [05:59] what will the new theme look like? [06:00] what will the new theme look like? [09:53] can anyone tell me what flie provides gnome-power-cmd.sh? [09:53] apt-file doesn't turn up anything [09:55] DarthArachides, tried dpkg -S /path/to/gnome-power-cmd.sh ? I don't see it on my system tho. [09:56] x1250: I don't have the file on my system, but I swear I had it on jaunty. [09:59] DarthArachides, dropped (debian/rules section): https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-July/005207.html [10:00] x1250: oh that's sad. I wonder what the alternatives are. [10:01] no idea :( [10:02] x1250: thanks for your help! [10:27] hi where should I best post an issue for recently broken sound with Realtek ALC888 on a Gigabyte MA74GM-S2H ? [10:30] fabe: hi. define broken? [10:31] sound worked and after an update it didnt [10:31] is it muted? [10:31] im not sure if it was a kernel update [10:31] prob [10:31] no [10:31] kernel is chaning that a lot [10:32] do you have pavucontrol? [10:32] ? [10:32] open it and see if any source is too low [10:32] i cant check now [10:32] but ive done that [10:33] ok [10:33] file a bug and ping dtchen on it [10:33] i screwed up my drivers when i tried to install the newest from realtech [10:33] fabe: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-core [10:33] I think that's it [10:33] don't. PLEASE don't do that [10:33] there are too many things working together here. [10:33] i know that now aswell ;) [10:34] 3rd party drivers will just make it a mess [10:34] just file a bug and wait for dtchen to become active, and help you triage it [10:34] I may join #ubuntu-audio-help [10:34] on launchpad? [10:34] fabe: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-core [10:34] either that or [10:34] fabe: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base [10:35] $ ubuntu-bug ? [10:35] url? [10:37] no need [10:37] just run it on the cli, hence the '$' [10:37] open a terminal and write it [10:37] ubuntu-bug alsa-base [10:38] it will collect all require data, and then send you to LP with it attached [10:38] k [10:38] thx [10:40] uhm, strange, my cpu is at 71ºC and fan speeds are not at max. Any way to control fan speeds? [10:41] x1250: with newest kernel? [10:41] what motherboard and chipset? [10:41] and yes, I can echo a value to /proc/*/cpufans [10:43] BUGabundo, 2.6.31-6-generic, Intel 945GM on a DELL Inspiron. [10:43] ok thanks [10:51] hi guys [10:51] hey rajeev [10:52] yesterday update killed my display [10:52] irssi to the rescue :) [10:52] no module named nvidia [10:53] yeah [10:53] others have complained about that too [10:53] try to upgrade again, and make sure DKMS runs [10:54] rajeev: $ sudo aptitude update [10:54] rajeev: $ sudo aptitude full-upgrade [10:54] and *good* luck [10:54] am just trying to install nvidia again [10:54] then ill try full-upgrade [10:54] thanks [10:55] i have twitchy fingers,i read about this breakage but still went aheaad and did upgrade :D [10:55] yeah I did to and made my way [10:55] I guess the module jump requires full upgrade [10:56] a simple upgrade is just removing the old modules [10:56] yeah could you tell me what is this new upgrade about? [10:56] ok got display heh [10:57] just installed nvidia [10:57] let me go check the upgrades again [10:57] fro m a GUI :) [10:57] bye,how to quit irssi? [10:57] GUI is for the weak [10:57] exit [10:57] damn [10:57] CLI is for beard guys and harry chicks :) [10:58] guess he hasn't enough bear [10:58] lol [10:58] * BUGabundo enjoys quiet time and goes back to reading feeds [11:12] BUGabundo: Is it true? :P [11:13] leaf-sheep: is nt it ? [11:13] BUGabundo: I know this is silly -- but I'm just curious about something. I read an article X weeks ago about robust boot time. Is it getting there? :) [11:14] Probably not -- but that's a good goal. [11:14] Hi [11:14] I'm having a look at libvte deps, shouldn't it depend on glade-ui? [11:15] as it provides the catalog for glade and in the configure.ac file it searchs for it [11:15] leaf-sheep: well moblin can get a really fast boot [11:15] and *we* as a generic distro are cutting it down too, just not as much [11:15] karmic+1 should provide ~10 sec boots for most users [11:15] now we just need to cut down on the time *after* login :) [11:16] nacho_: prob not the right channel to ask [11:16] try #ubuntu-devel [11:16] ok [11:16] but be warned: its weekend :) [11:16] BUGabundo: time after login is nothing when you run from ssd :P [11:16] Isn't Moblin for netbooks? [11:17] windows is the same way, like 5x shorter time when running from ssd [11:18] leaf-sheep: you can run it on pretty much anything [11:18] SwedeMike: when was the last time you looked at an hacked bootchart? [11:18] you will see the login time is too much [11:18] we need to cut that down [11:19] here are some of mine [11:19] http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/karmic/ [11:19] need to upload new ones [11:19] I havent done anything like that, no [11:20] BUGabundo: Too small. [11:20] just noticed that my default ubuntu boots to usable state from when I type "enter" on my password prompt, in a few seconds [11:20] BUGabundo: Images, I mean. I can't even read the text. :< [11:20] leaf-sheep: leaglly blind? [11:21] BUGabundo: No. Legally deaf though. [11:21] ahaa [11:21] Irony. :P [11:21] But yeah, I can't see it. I think the images got resized or something. You really can see it just fine? [11:22] click on them [11:22] they will grow to full size [11:22] BUGabundo: I did. Same resolution. [11:22] or download it, and zoom at will [11:23] BUGabundo: Yeah. That worked just great. 80 seconds? [11:24] No... 90. [11:24] Wow. [11:25] no no [11:25] that's HOW long I set the spleep [11:25] gdm is like 19 secs [11:26] and an extra 20/30 for usable desktop [11:28] BUGabundo: Ahh I see. Btw, I found something today that I thought this would benefit me next time I reinstall for no particular reason. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1155961 [11:29] I don't know if that'll be useful for you and your goal of shaving times. [11:30] eheh [11:30] hmm, i might have to try that [11:30] It's nice though. Start with scratch a bit.... Oh noes. No bluetooth, then I'd have to install that. As oppose to having bluetooths by default. :) [11:31] is the minimal cd the netinstall? [11:32] jonathonf: well no [11:32] No. It's... minimal cd.. [11:32] ah found it [11:32] but minimal need net to install more stuff [11:32] eheh [11:32] jonathonf: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/ [11:34] * jonathonf loads up virtualbox [11:42] jonathonf: Doing it for jaunty or karmic? [11:43] bluetooth is soooo broken [11:43] who wants to join me in putting our hands around asac neck ? :) [11:55] ah hell - how do i get the mini iso to bring up virtualbox's networking? it's saying the network is configured (dhcp) but it won't ping out [11:57] jonathonf: host only connection needed [11:58] to connect from HOST to GUEST [11:58] bridge won't work, only accessible from LAN [11:58] thanks, trying it now [11:58] yeah very confusing [11:58] when VMWare makes it so much easier [12:01] jonathonf: Answer my question. Damnnit. Jaunty or Karmic? ;o [12:01] Meh. You should do both side. Default Karmic vs Slim Karmic. [12:01] leaf-sheep: which question? i think i'm missing some stuff when i had a powercut [12:02] jonathonf: Testing that minimal setup with minimal iso for Jaunty or Karmic. [12:02] ah right; karmic [12:02] yay, network came up. had to use bridged. [12:05] there used to be some Sessions box in the configuration tools... [12:06] How can I make X-Chat start when starting Gnome? [12:06] startup programs [12:06] ehm [12:06] oh... there [12:08] ;) [12:10] thanks [12:11] Does Minimal CDs get updated or not really since they pull in packages from servers. [12:13] leaf-sheep: I should pull most OS from archives [12:23] I'm tearing apart here... Deciding if I want a silver or black case for mini-itx. :\ [12:34] black [12:47] somebody has not been reading HIG when designing new gdm in karmic, at first sight it looks like only options are to restart and shutdown [12:48] Black --> http://tinyurl.com/os4ld9 ; Silver --> http://tinyurl.com/kj3ro6 [12:48] jonathonf: ^^ [12:50] i'd still go for black as it tends to blend in better with consumer equipment, bu tthen the silver is less likely to show scratches [12:51] jonathonf: Brushed Metal. :> [12:51] I have that on my laptop too. My laptop is silver brushed metal/black. [12:51] I thought of it as a nice combo. :) [12:52] Then again, I'm standing in a fork. Deciding. [12:52] I don't know but I think black are overrated now. Look at consumer equipments. It seems like the silver stands out longer. Hmm. [12:53] jonathonf: Karmic Mini install grub2 or lilo for you? I'm doing it at the moment but I sworn I saw a package 'lilo' during the base process. [12:59] not sure, setting up the minimal desktop stuff at the mo [13:18] leaf-sheep: just checked (install finished) and it's grub2 (grub-pc 1.96) [13:22] jonathonf: Yup. I checked that too. [13:25] is there any plan to put telepathy-idle into main/default install? [13:25] so that empathy has IRC support. Otherwise there is no IRC client out of the box [13:26] just got into X. wow. memory usage is 80MB. [13:28] jonathonf: Is that good? What's the usual? [13:30] jonathonf: And what's the command for that? [13:31] my laptop starts at about 500MB, though there are a load of startup apps (e.g. gnome-do) [13:31] just checked in system monitor [13:31] swmike@swm-laptop:~$ ps auxw | grep X [13:31] root 3270 3.6 8.2 493280 253432 tty7 Ss+ Aug20 114:10 /usr/X11R6/bin/X [13:31] I've seen it take up to 2 gigs after a month or so [13:34] SwedeMike: root 3174 4.0 3.4 219220 106560 tty7 [13:51] I wonder if it is perfectly normal that gconfd-2 is wasting about 25% of the cpu all the time, maybe it is folding proteins or something? [13:52] it's not normal [13:52] I did not find a bug about that but I think I have seen others mention that here [13:52] get a terminal open [13:52] killall metacity [13:52] metacity --replace [13:53] ok, that fixed it [13:56] yesterday I did a upgrade to karmic and system was unusable after reboot. Complete freeze once the desktop loaded, so I tried a fresh install and had the same issue except at the login screen. I decided to not pursue the matter and I'll wait for a couple more weeks before trying again [13:56] IdleOne: It might be worth reporting a bug on it anyway; if lots of people are seeing this it would be good for the devs to know [13:56] penguin42: yes I wil do that now [13:57] make sure you describe all your hardware [14:05] penguin42: anything else besides lspci I should give? [14:06] penguin42: there is a bug about it [14:06] hmm there's probably some instructions somewhere saying what to include; if you have jaunty working on it I'd include a dmesg (stating it's off jaunty) [14:07] !bug 390733 [14:07] Launchpad bug 390733 in gconf2 "Process gconfd-2 causes cpu overuse and overheat" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390733 [14:08] scizzo-: You don't know if that's the problem IdleOne is seing [14:09] nope [14:09] all I am saying is to look for a report before doing a new one [14:09] in that report it suggest he can get to terminal to kill gconfd-2 [14:09] scizzo-: The bug is a bit weird as well; I mean gconf-d might eat CPU but it's only bad hardware that fails under 100% cpu [14:09] my system totaly becomes unresponsive [14:09] !bug 389686 [14:09] Launchpad bug 389686 in metacity "compiz --replace fails to kill metacity, resulting in cpu overload" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389686 [14:13] scizzo-: thanks for pointing out those bugs, no need to file a new one as it's known... and matt zimmerman has commented on one of those, so I can be fairly certain it will be looked after :) [14:14] well from what I can see is that all of those bugs are the same issue all the way...since one of them is noted to the gnome-bugs this should be a upstream metacity error [14:15] * penguin42 doesn't seem to have that; I guess it might be with compiz only [14:15] penguin42: not sure [14:15] penguin42: those are interesting bugs though [14:15] I don't use compiz and gconfd is not always wasting cpu, maybe it only happens after suspend [14:21] anyone that has come across the error of panel running when trying to run gnome-shell though? mine crashes directly [14:23] scizzo-: it's a conflict between xulrunner versions [14:24] remove xulrunner-1.9 and it should work [14:25] jonathonf: will give it a try [14:26] jonathonf: nice thanks [14:27] np, saw it in the forums [14:28] why? Does gnome-shell use xul? [14:30] penguin42: yes [14:47] Is is possible to configure gdm so that the user logo is the photo in account information [14:48] instead of the grey cluedo man? [14:49] * penguin42 remembers many years ago that some of the xdm logon things would use an image file in your home directoryh [14:51] penguin42: It seems to make sense to me that if you set your user photo, other apps (like gdm and pidgin) would use it. [14:51] I was thinking of making a FR. [14:51] giles_: Yeh sounds reasonable [14:52] * scizzo- remember trying tvwm [14:52] hehe [14:55] penguin42: I can't find any features like it in gnome bugzilla [14:55] * penguin42 wonders if it's a generic Gnomeism or something ubuntu specific? I suspect it's generci [14:55] ic [15:03] penguin42: I don't know if its can be done via configuration, or whether it would have to be a feature of gdm/gnome [15:04] giles_: No I don't know - put a bug report in? [15:05] is there a good guide for bridging your network for use with a VM? I can't find anything good, everything that seems to work doesn't show up in virt-manager [15:05]