[02:16] <DanRabbit> mac_v: I have no idea what it's for :D
[03:28] <mac_v> DanRabbit: hmm... i also noticed a *lot* of the icons have changed ;)
[03:28] <DanRabbit> For example?
[03:29] <mac_v> all the panel icons 
[03:29] <DanRabbit> oh yes :D
[03:29] <DanRabbit> Like them?
[03:30] <mac_v> hmm... i havent tested them out , i just noticed the changes and was a kinda knee jerk reaction 
[03:30] <DanRabbit> It's something David's been trying to get me to do FOREVER
[03:31] <mac_v> i realized that ;)
[03:32] <GreySim> How can I see the icons you mean? Are these the ones I could obtain from 'bzr branch lp:humanity' (IIRC?)?
[03:33] <DanRabbit> yep
[03:34] <mac_v> DanRabbit: just one concern , i see a lot of changes , but is it confirmed that Humanity *is* the theme for karmic?
[03:34] <DanRabbit> mac_v: no it's not confirmed
[03:34] <mac_v> David mentioned on a bug that it hasnt been confirmed yet , 
[03:35] <mac_v> yeah
[03:35] <DanRabbit> I got an email from Neil Patel the other day, and it's going into UNR
[03:35] <mac_v> oh , nice :) 
[03:35] <DanRabbit> yea, so that's very exciting :D
[03:35] <DanRabbit> but, I'll just keep working on it and we'll see what happens
[03:35] <DanRabbit> from what I hear, mark doesn't really like it :(
[03:35] <mac_v> meh
[03:38] <DanRabbit> I just read the other day that 10.4 was supposed to be experimenting with color options
[03:38] <DanRabbit> so I'm like
[03:38] <DanRabbit> ELEMENTARY
[03:38] <DanRabbit> but, i doubt it'll happen.
[03:38] <mac_v> i was actually kinda pissed, that they were making you redo all the icons when it wasnt confirmed or not even partly confirmed , but glad alteast the work is going to be in UNR
[03:38] <mac_v> elementary  , is blue right , so i guess not ;p
[03:39] <DanRabbit> Yea, well It's kind of the thing of, "Uh.. I'm not getting paid for this. So, you can have what I feel like doing on my spare time"
[03:39] <mac_v> exactly...
[03:39] <DanRabbit> I mean, don't get me wrong. I love doing this kind of thing. And I'm glad it's going to end up in UNR
[03:40] <DanRabbit> But, It'd be nicer if there was some monetary gain to be had :D
[03:41] <mac_v> sure , who wouldnt ;p
[03:41] <DanRabbit> I told David, "You know I could do a lot better if this was my job..."
[03:41] <DanRabbit> :D
[03:44] <mac_v> hmm... i just tested the theme , but IMO , the panel icons dont fit with the rest of the theme... 
[03:44] <DanRabbit> So, right now I'm merging in an awesome hack this guy did on the nautilus sidebar for my elementary GTK theme: http://elementaryproject.freeforums.org/download/file.php?id=8
[03:45] <DanRabbit> But, talk about just way too much code... he duplicates the bgcolor so much like it's going to magically not be the color you just told it to be in the last line...
[03:45] <DanRabbit> I dunno, I thought it looked pretty slick :D
[03:45] <DanRabbit> I'm just worried those icons are going to show up in an app later...
[03:46] <DanRabbit> That's why I didn't really want to do it in the first place.
[03:46] <mac_v> DanRabbit: they *do* look slick , but feel different from the rest , maybe since i'v seen the old icons ;)
[03:47] <mac_v> how did that guy? hack nautilus? was it Marcus?
[03:47] <GreySim> DanRabbit: I noticed you and David both seem to use gnome-global-menu or whatever it's called...is there some kind of Firefox fix yet, or do you just ignore the lack of global menu for it?
[03:48] <DanRabbit> It's not a nautilus hack, it's on the GTK theme to make the handle not so huge :D
[03:48] <DanRabbit> Actually, that's a screenshot from someone else's desktop.
[03:48] <DanRabbit> I don't use globalmenu
[03:49] <GreySim> Ah.
[03:49] <DanRabbit> but, I also don't use Firefox, so I don't know if that bug would affect me..
[03:49] <mac_v> hehe..! i thought it was marcus , he was doing the edit for the window
[03:49]  * mac_v doesnt like global menu ;)
[03:49] <DanRabbit> I am using his nautilus with the toolbar/location bar in one :D
[03:50] <mac_v> DanRabbit: do you have the gtkrc file? 
[03:51] <DanRabbit> of the theme I'm working on right now?
[03:51] <mac_v> yeah that theme from the screenshot
[03:51] <mac_v> for that*
[03:51] <DanRabbit> Yea, the one in his screenshot is a little silly
[03:51] <DanRabbit> overkill
[03:51] <DanRabbit> but, let me send you the one I'm doing now.
[03:51] <DanRabbit> I haven't finished taming it yet though :D
[03:52] <DanRabbit> http://www.elementary-project.com/abuse/eGTK_0.9.10.13.tar.gz
[03:53] <DanRabbit> watch out for weird hackish behavior :p
[03:53] <mac_v> ;) , i usually collect bits and pieces from other themes
[03:59] <mac_v> DanRabbit: looks nice , but the title bars font could be a *little* darker , would make viewing easier :)
[03:59] <DanRabbit> really?
[04:00] <DanRabbit> It's pretty dark already.
[04:00] <DanRabbit> unfocused is pretty light..
[04:00] <mac_v> hmm... let me get you a screenshot
[04:04] <mac_v> DanRabbit: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-3.png , notice the active and the inactive are very close , the inactive is fine as is , it would be better if the active was a bit darker
[04:05] <DanRabbit> Try a thicker font
[04:05] <DanRabbit> You can't really tell with that thin font :p
[04:05] <mac_v> hmm... ;p
[04:05] <DanRabbit> I think I'm going to try and do the whole window's bg color a little lighter for inactive as well..
[04:05] <mac_v> nice :)
[04:07] <DanRabbit> But first I have to fix this sidebar
[04:07] <DanRabbit> It's driving me crazy how much erroneous code is in here
[04:07] <mac_v> DanRabbit:  which line is the side bar?
[04:07] <mac_v> #
[04:08] <DanRabbit> starts at 295
[04:08] <DanRabbit> goes all the way down to right before the comment that says "Matches"
[04:11] <mac_v> what do you mean by erroneous code? twf doesnt show any error for the sidebar lines
[04:11] <DanRabbit> Lol, it's like I'm going through and just deleting line after line
[04:11] <DanRabbit> and doing so, doesn't make a single change.
[04:12] <mac_v> oh! yeah some themes have those lines which do nothing!
[04:13] <DanRabbit> yea
[04:13] <DanRabbit> It's silly
[04:13] <DanRabbit> so I'm going through and deleting all these lines
[04:16] <DanRabbit> YAY!!!
[04:16] <DanRabbit> I finally found the line that screwed up my location bar :D
[04:17] <mac_v> line# ?
[04:17] <DanRabbit> hold on
[04:17] <DanRabbit> well
[04:17] <DanRabbit> actually it's probably different in mine now..
[04:18] <DanRabbit> lemme see what it's called :D
[04:18] <DanRabbit> style "nautilus-toolbar"
[04:18] <DanRabbit> for me it's 379
[04:21] <DanRabbit> mac_v: if you can figure out how to make the whole sidebar (including the part that says "places") blue, let me know :D
[04:22] <mac_v> DanRabbit: yeah , thats exactly what i'm trying to do , but gtg now , will get back to you later about this :)
[04:22] <DanRabbit> sounds good
[04:22] <DanRabbit> bye
[04:22] <mac_v> bye
[05:42] <mrooney> I wonder if having papercutters subscribed to all papercut bug mail is useful
[05:42] <mrooney> For me at least it is a little overwhelming and actually makes it harder to pay attention to the bugs I am trying to work on
[05:47] <DanRabbit> mrooney: yea, it's good because you get to see everything, but my inbox is overflowing with bug reports and comments :(
[05:47] <bratsche> Hey guys.
[05:49] <mrooney> DanRabbit: yeah, I'd rather have that opt-in like you can already do from that project page
[05:50] <DanRabbit> mac_v: I have a MUCH more trimmed down version of that GTK theme now :)
[05:52] <mac_v> mrooney: its is difficult intitally , but over a period of time you realize who's comments matter and who's is a rant! so no need to even read the mail ;p
[05:52] <mac_v> DanRabbit: link?
[05:52] <DanRabbit> ah, I didn't know you were still here :)
[05:52] <DanRabbit> let me upload it
[05:53] <DanRabbit> http://www.elementary-project.com/abuse/eGTK_0.9.12.tar.gz
[05:54] <mac_v> DanRabbit: how come your versions regress?
[05:54] <mac_v> lol
[05:54] <DanRabbit> it shouldn't regress..
[05:54] <mac_v> previous was 9.13 , now 9.12  ;)
[05:54] <DanRabbit> really?
[05:54] <DanRabbit> no it was 9.10.13
[05:54] <DanRabbit> :D
[05:55] <mac_v> oops! ;)
[05:55] <DanRabbit> I did a lot of figuring out what didn't do anything :p
[05:57] <mac_v> DanRabbit: also you need to get adjust for vertical panels , i never figured that one out! 
[05:59] <DanRabbit> Yea, I don't know how to do that :D
[06:05] <mac_v> DanRabbit: for the panel "Places" part , i dont think it is possible , it uses the window background color , so either we need to assign pixmaps or ...
[06:08] <DanRabbit> hmm
[06:08] <DanRabbit> I wonder if we can't single out that widget and assign a new bg color
[06:09] <DanRabbit> OOO, this theme looks hecka cool in blue :D
[06:14] <DanRabbit> mac_v: AH MY JESUS. I can't figure it out.
[06:14] <mac_v> the "places" ?
[06:15] <DanRabbit> yea
[06:15] <DanRabbit> it's making me want to smack a ho
[06:16] <mac_v> DanRabbit: my guess is it is not possible , check out New wave , almost every thing in new wave uses pixmaps , but the author[I think Anton] wasnt able to assign one for that 
[06:17] <mac_v> it behaves like a toolbar , so that maybe the reason
[06:18] <mac_v> DanRabbit: but dont give up :) , i'v been trying to hack the sidebar for a long time ! 
[06:19] <mac_v> i hope you find it ;p
[06:26] <mac_v> mrooney|w: DanRabbit: regarding a papercut , check out the behavior of sticky notes , the resize area of the note does not trigger a pointer change on hover, the pointer changes to a resize one only after the resize icon is clicked! doesnt that feel weird?
[06:37] <mac_v> DanRabbit: ^?
[06:43] <GreySim> mac_v: If you're saying what I think you are, that may be a GTK bug in general, and an existing papercut which was from a bug I filed in 2008. >.>'
[06:43] <mac_v> GreySim: bug# pls
[06:44] <GreySim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgtk/+bug/282013
[06:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 282013 in hundredpapercuts "Resizing Nautilus window using drag handle, handle seems to be "lost" after first drag" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:46] <GreySim> It's a slippery bug.
[06:47] <mac_v> GreySim: that bug is truly slippery , now i have the correct behavior again!
[06:48] <mac_v> GreySim: but , thats a separate one , just open a sticky note , you notice that the right and let bottom corners have a resize icon , but the mouse hover will not cause a pointer change , while you have to click the icon for the pointer to change
[06:48] <GreySim> Ah. I heard "broken resize handle" and didn't actually process. Oops.
[06:50] <mac_v> GreySim: are you on karmic? can you test your bug now? it works correctly
[06:50] <mac_v> now
[06:50] <GreySim> I am not on Karmic.
[06:51] <mac_v> hmm... ok i'll comment on the bug report
[06:55] <DanRabbit> mac_v: I  meant that we could ask cimi about it
[06:55] <DanRabbit> and he would probably say "not possible"
[06:55] <DanRabbit> but then he would fix it later :D
[06:55] <DanRabbit> 'cause that's how cimi does
[07:04] <mac_v> ok
[07:05] <mac_v> DanRabbit: hmm...but i think you lost connection in between , i had asked about a papercut
[07:05] <DanRabbit> which one?
[07:05] <mac_v>  just open a sticky note , you notice that the right and let bottom corners have a resize icon , but the mouse hover will not cause a pointer change , while you have to click the icon for the pointer to change
[07:05] <mac_v> that feels weird  , is not consistent with the system
[07:06] <DanRabbit> is this for Tomboy?
[07:06] <mac_v> DanRabbit: not tomboy , select add to panel , then you'll notice sticky notes
[07:06] <DanRabbit> hold on
[07:07] <DanRabbit> yea, that's weird.
[07:07] <DanRabbit> brb
[07:07] <mac_v> sure , i'll file a bug
[23:46] <DanRabbit> mac_v: you're a freaking genius
[23:54] <mac_v> DanRabbit: huh? am i ? ;p
[23:54] <DanRabbit> Yep
[23:54] <DanRabbit> You solved it
[23:54] <DanRabbit> We need to set nautilus bg[NORMAL] to the blue color
[23:55] <DanRabbit> and that fixes the places
[23:55] <DanRabbit> BUT, then we have all this blue in places we don't want it
[23:55] <mac_v> ybut that would change everything else too ,
[23:55] <mac_v> so pixmaps?
[23:55] <DanRabbit> so, we go back and just overwrite everything
[23:55] <DanRabbit> nope
[23:55] <DanRabbit> I'm almost done
[23:55] <DanRabbit> I just have to fix the menubar
[23:55] <DanRabbit> I'll upload it and you can see
[23:55] <DanRabbit> :D
[23:56] <DanRabbit> so simple we missed it
[23:56] <mac_v> hehe , i didnt ;p
[23:56] <mac_v> or maybe i did  !
[23:57] <DanRabbit> hmm
[23:57] <DanRabbit> should be able to just get menubar with widget_class "*Nautilus*Menubar*" right?
[23:58] <mac_v> yep ,only menubar
[23:59] <mac_v> BTW ,by pixmaps i meant pixmaps for the rest other than the places