[00:14] kde ftp hasn't updated to the latest tar yet :( [00:14] Sir-Gon: yep :) [00:14] :D [00:14] still in beta (beta5 now) [00:15] try kdevelop-kde4 in jaunty or kdevelop in karmic [00:16] JontheEchidna: don't you have ktown access? [00:16] Riddell: nope [00:16] ah well, we should fix that [00:18] JontheEchidna: try ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org [00:19] 550 EXCESSIVE LOAD failure [00:20] ssh? [00:20] ftp:// in dolphin [00:20] JontheEchidna: ssh ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org [00:21] Permission denied (publickey). [00:21] JontheEchidna: what's your ssh public key then? [00:21] let me check [00:22] 97870010 [00:22] that's not a public key [00:22] oh, that's the fingerprint [00:23] cat .ssh/id_dsa.pub [00:24] or id_rsa.p [00:24] or id_rsa.pub [00:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com/257796/ [00:26] JontheEchidna: try now [00:26] yay [00:27] guess I gotta break out the scp? [00:27] of the sftp:// in dolphin [00:27] or the sftp:// in dolphin [00:27] more convenient with dolphin [01:09] ok, so the latest tarball doesn't build :( [01:10] * JontheEchidna should have done more testing before uploading [01:13] I think you should reupload new tarball of kdevplatform.... [01:14] according to svn the code hasn't changed, so I didnt' bother [01:16] weird :( [01:17] should be just the kdevelop tar which changed if I read his e-mail right [02:02] exit [02:02] err, that won't work :) [02:02] detrach screen first, then enjoy the evening :) === foursixnine is now known as santiago-ve === spstarr is now known as spstarr_coding [03:11] nixternal: screen -r ;) you're not allowed to abandon IRC - ever - [03:11] ;) [04:15] is there no reason Ubuntu/Kubuntu don't just return to Ubuntu with a ballot box in installer to choose KDE or GNOME? (much like the opensuse folks have)? [04:19] less additional overhead [04:19] because one can install KDE from ubuntu anyway === spstarr_coding is now known as spstarr [04:37] Was it ever that way? === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve [04:57] spstarr: cd space? [04:58] spstarr: the net install disk lets you choose ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-studio, etc. from tasksel in the installer [05:07] ScottK: whats up with policykit-kde? why's kdebase-workspace-bin conflict with it? [05:08] so then why do we need to distinguish KDE ubuntu from GNOME ubuntu? [05:08] separate websites etc [05:08] for the purposes of the normal install cd [05:08] oh and because there was only ubuntu at one point [05:08] yes [05:09] the plan originally didnt include KDE at all [05:09] nor xfce [05:09] isn't there enough GNOME specific distributions as there is? i dont really get the point of that [05:09] Ubuntu could be different [05:09] it could treat KDE and GNOME as equals [05:11] it irritates me much that distributions have squeezed KDE so much out [05:11] GNOME = C, stripped down, KDE = C++, advanced [05:11] just have a ballot install, Advanced users button Beginners button [05:12] when they invent CDs (not DVDs) capable of holding 1.2GB, lemme know [05:12] with just gnome, the ubuntu cd has like 798MB of possible 800MB of cd space in use [05:12] unless you can fit all of kde into 2MB... [05:13] geez [05:13] stripped? [05:13] no debug? [05:14] Having an install that fits on one CD is an important design precept for Ubuntu. No way to fit KDE and Gnome into that. [05:14] maco: Dunno. [05:15] My guess is it got absorbed. [05:15] huh? [05:15] oh [05:15] the policykit question [05:15] Yeah [05:15] unless you abandon the LiveCD concept --> LiveDVD :) [05:15] spstarr: It's been discussed and decided not to do it. [05:16] ugh [05:16] it would assume that all computers have DVD drives [05:16] we will get to that point though in modern systems though [05:16] your old i586 might not have a DVD [05:16] in a few years, when all the systems that lack DVD drives are gone... [05:16] but ubuntu is supposed to be usable in developing nations [05:17] this is true [05:17] it is common here in the US for it to be put on pentium 3 systems for charity [05:17] pentium 3 systems did not come with DVD drives [05:17] mine sure didn't :) [05:47] Download size and bandwidth is also a significant factor. [05:47] in developing countries, yes [05:48] Not only there. [05:49] * spstarr installs 'ubuntu-desktop' to get GNOME in Kubuntu, since I need to keep track of what GNOME is doing ;p [05:49] im not yet ready to switch from Fedora to Buntu, until the graphics framework for my video card is upstream ;/ [05:49] so i have it in a VirtualBox [05:50] try before i 'buy' ;) [05:50] Buntu has changed since i used it in 2006 [05:51] Better or worse? [05:56] better :) [05:56] I still long for a 'sid' for Buntu though [05:57] Fedora spoils me on rawhide - however - !! [05:57] Rawhide has eaten 2 machines of mine recently so... [05:57] you get what yo ask for :D [05:57] you [06:03] i miss my apt/aptitude very much :( [06:03] * spstarr sheads a tear [06:04] I want the latest of everything, completely rock solid, totally polished and beautiful, and I want it now. [06:04] * ScottK has asked. [06:04] if only the radeon developers were Buntu users/developers [06:04] but as soon as things go upstream and API is ready I will switch over [06:05] i could build mesa/libdrm/kernel manually but this just gets messy when they dont have a frozen API [06:05] i rather focus on KDE development [06:13] ScottK: arch is for you then :p [06:14] i was going to recommend Mac OS ;) [06:18] ScottK: I don't recall Launchpad in 2006 :) [06:18] it might have been created but i dont remember [11:48] jefferai: uploading taglib-extras 0.1.6 to ubuntu [11:48] lex79: uploaded workspace [11:51] apachelogger: wow, great ! === word_ is now known as word === ejat is now known as e-jat [13:18] wow, new kernel [13:21] ?? [13:21] songbird 1.40a rox it notices jackd by default [13:21] woot [13:22] Quintasan, mainline or stock ? [13:23] ghostcube: stock, I can't use mainline since fglrx doesnt work, and ext4 is bugged in jaunty, launchpad bug stated that -15 fixes the problem, but it's about to be tested :P [13:23] s/jaunty/jauntys\ kernel/ [13:23] for me mainline bigger than rc5 isnt well at the moment :| my mobo thermal chipset doesnt work [13:24] so iam stay on 2.6.30-5 mainline with my never ending nameserver problem [13:24] and it seems no one knows wth ubuntu pathces to get the nameserver to run on the release kernels [13:24] :D [13:25] i always need to restart my inrterfaces after kde starts [13:25] :| [13:25] eth1 is up and running nameserver from resolvconf not [13:25] oo [13:25] btw Quintasan http://www.picpaste.com/Bildschirmfoto6.jpeg === Tm_T_ is now known as Tm_T [15:32] GRRR [15:32] -15 isnt fixing ext4 [15:34] ghostcube: what's this? [15:35] the screenie ? [15:35] yup [15:35] songbird on my pc connected to jackd [15:35] works fine [15:35] :) [15:35] jackd? omg don't remeber when I last experimented with it [15:36] still that dammned kernel is getting on my nerves [15:36] hehe [15:36] jackd is th best for getting sound out of the linux box [15:36] :D [15:37] mainline works fine with ext4 but no fglrx. and stock works with fglrx but contains bugged ext4 both bugs make system almost unusable :/ [15:39] well, let's try jack [15:39] i use the one from an ppa :) [15:39] not the stock one [15:40] -_- my system is something like pimped to death [15:40] :D [15:44] GRRRRR [15:44] -15 is working worse than -14 [15:44] random freezes now [15:44] on -14 freezes occured when moving or deleting data [15:44] now I don't even know what cause it to freeze [15:46] WHY!?!? [15:49] -_- [15:49] try the 2.6.30-5 isnt this working with fglrx [15:50] nope [15:50] I have karmic machine next to mine and fglrx kernel module fails to compile [15:50] and it's required to use fglrx :/ [15:54] is there no fglrx ppa ? [15:54] or something [15:54] dunno, propably not [15:55] I hope they will get 3d in radeonhd soon [16:01] i have an ppa for an jaunty version [16:05] ghostcube: fglrx? [16:06] yes [16:07] can you give me the link? [16:08] oh and karnmic in the daily release one moment pls [16:08] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates [16:10] let me purge x-edgers first [16:11] thats the daily release from x edgers [16:12] so I'm already running newest version? [16:12] no [16:12] x edgers is normal [16:12] the one i gave you daily [16:12] git [16:13] read x edgers ppa :) [16:13] mentiones in the first paragraph [16:13] Can I use it over x-edgers or it's better to purge the packages? [16:13] uffz [16:13] i have no ide [16:13] *a [16:14] Screw it, it's not like I can't unplug my HDD and copy the files over if it screws something :P [16:35] JontheEchidna: ping [16:36] skreech: pong [16:36] JontheEchidna: has there been any breakage of kunitnamespace for you on KDE trunk? [16:36] Bah [16:37] kunitconversion maespce [16:37] namespace [16:37] I don't run trunk [16:37] Hmm ok trying to figure out the error kunitconversion is not a valid namespace [16:37] I think I saw somethign about that though [16:38] hmm [16:38] there's some mess with the conversion lib in kdereview [16:38] what would be better: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Device+Manager?content=106051 or devicenotifier with automount? [16:38] Quintasan, tried the ppa ? [16:38] is this working [16:39] ghostcube: looks like I'm already at newest version [16:39] did not show up as upgradeable package [16:39] hmmm ok [16:40] JontheEchidna: So Not resolved yet? Do you remember the thread? [16:43] skreech: nah, just saw a few lines about it in #plasma [16:45] Does that afect the weather wallpaper? [16:46] +f [17:02] JontheEchidna: any status on kdevelop? [17:02] phew, I almost lost my gpg key :S [17:02] i used to do that quite a bit back in the day [17:03] now I have my gpg key on 5 machines :) [17:03] nixternal: no clue why it fails to build [17:03] wonder if it isn't kdevelop's fault, but maybe kdevplatform, as it can't find the config cmake module [17:04] hmm how do you make changes to k-d-s? we vote or what? [17:04] nixternal: How's the wifi switch? It'd be spiffy to get it in before feature freeze. [17:04] * apachelogger has all his keys on a stick and a CD in a lock box at the bank [17:04] ScottK: you still haven't tried it yet? [17:05] apachelogger: good idea, I will burn them on CD [17:05] nixternal: Is it packaged or just source? [17:05] ScottK: I need you to try it since you have bluetooth...just source [17:05] Quintasan: Put them on a floppy! :) [17:05] all you have to do is 'python kairmode.py' [17:05] Quintasan: depends on the change really, usually a question gets poped here, to see if there is consensus, if there is not, it either gets discussed right away or at a meeting [17:05] nixternal: OK. Make me a .deb in a PPA please. I've very limited time ... [17:05] depending on the intrusiveness obviously [17:05] skreech: no floppy :( [17:05] ScottK: roger that...probably later today as I am super busy today [17:05] Kubuntu Council has final say if there is a decision needed. [17:05] apachelogger: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Device+Manager?content=106051 instead of Device Notifier [17:06] nixternal: OK. [17:06] nixternal: Just give me a ping. [17:06] hell, if my box wont hang on pbuilder then ext4 is really fixed in jaunty [17:08] Quintasan: I am against that for technical reasons [17:08] the changes should go into KDE itself rather than forking the applet [17:08] apachelogger: +1 [17:08] I'd like it if it would autohide when nothing was plugged in. [17:09] IMHO there is need for a common implementation of that case [17:09] there is also the keyboard state plasmoid [17:09] which could also use such an autohide feature [17:09] help [17:09] since that one is especially useful for netbooks and would only waste the limited space if no keys are actually active [17:09] I guess I will submit a package to REVU if someone wants it and poke author to talk with KDE [17:09] help [17:10] help [17:10] help [17:10] help [17:10] .... [17:10] meh [17:10] i need help [17:10] obviously [17:10] Qwait13: Did you try #kubuntu ? [17:10] Qwait13: #kubuntu for asstiance, this is development channel [17:11] хорошо, я покину вас. [17:11] #kubuntu-ru [17:11] --- [17:13] !ru [17:13] Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke [17:13] oh this works here too :| [17:15] god damn that ext4 [17:15] grrr [17:16] Quintasan, there is an karmic release inside tis ppa i showed you isnt this working on karmic for youre kernel ? [17:17] ghostcube: let me explain, karmics kernel DONT work with fglrx, the kernel module fail to build with kernel from karmic [17:17] ghostcube: same with mainline kernels [17:17] ok and you need 2.6.31x ? [17:17] ghostcube: the only kernel which works with fglrx from repos is jaunty's one which contains bugged ext4 [17:17] eeven 2.6.30-5 from mainline isnt working ? [17:18] yes [17:18] this is stable [17:18] from karmic [17:18] and module fails to build [17:18] naah if you install the mainline build 2.6.30-5 the module doesnt load ? [17:18] not the karmic one [17:19] fglrx uses dkms to build kernel module, with mainline it fails to buiild [17:19] hmmm my nvidia dkms works fine -_- [17:20] this is a problem with fglrx not kernel [17:20] hmmm [17:20] had i mention i hate ati -_- [17:20] at least I think so [17:21] my dkms for nvidia worked not before i get a newer packaged one from the repos [17:21] my this is here the same [17:21] may [17:39] hello, the fix for this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/416755 is released but that problem still exists. [17:39] Launchpad bug 416755 in kdebase-workspace "package kdebase-workspace-bin (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/kde4/apps/kcmsolidactions/solid-action-template.desktop', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-data" [Critical,Fix released] [17:56] you know, I was just wondering... wouldn't it be possible to reimplment katapult using krunner? [17:57] should be a straight forward project, since it doesn't have to worry about the data gathering anymore, shouldn't it? === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: apachelogger loves you all | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/karmic-alpha-4 | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | We need paperKuts! https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts [18:12] * apachelogger is wondering why our stop-reload-button-patch from KDE 3 never got applied upstream [18:14] apachelogger: isn't krunner basically katapult 2.0? [18:14] it looks like crap though :P [18:15] or in other words, what are you missing from katapult? [18:15] so you're suggesting improving the theme? [18:15] no [18:15] making it katapultish [18:16] eventually as individual app, bound to alt+spacebar [18:16] I'm afraid I don't get it :p [18:16] krunner is an individual app, and the shortcut can easily be changed to alt+space, though I don't see what's wrong with alt+f2 [18:17] altf2 is more difficult to grasp [18:17] and I don't want to replace krunner [18:17] all I want is a krunner that looks nice [18:17] which of course comes at the cost of flexibility [18:18] doesn't that translate to improving/changing the theme? [18:18] yes [18:18] but no [18:18] you want somr sort of krunner-for-dummy? [18:18] again, krunner stays krunner, with it's awfully looking lineedit and all the buttons [18:19] while katapult ought to do what it always did, look fancy [18:19] krunner UI is already changeable [18:19] there's the quicksand thing [18:19] now called the "task oriented" mode [18:20] again ... katapult should not replace krunner :P [18:20] can repeat that all day long [18:20] we're not going anywhere :P [18:20] geekthing => altf2 vs. advanceduserthing => altspace [18:24] apachelogger: You can improve quicksand then [18:24] exactly what I was suggesting [18:24] apachelogger: if that is two different user profiles, why do we need two apps? Make an advanced-user UI for Krunner, and the geek will figure out how to get back to the plain-old krunner [18:24] which as faras I can see has stalled [18:25] when I looked at quicksand it was the crap [18:25] awful code [18:25] seriously awful [18:25] no clue if it improved by entering KDE though [18:25] apachelogger: Which is obvious motivation to make lzma work. [18:26] ScottK: I'll be getting bed ready soonish, so no new work until wed [18:26] I don't even get how quicksand is supposed to work :p [18:27] It's task oriented :) [18:27] so [18:27] I entered switch user [18:27] which clearly is a task [18:27] and quicksand does not show anything [18:27] failed to match use case [18:28] apachelogger: But in any case Go ahead take a look to see if it makes more sense to port katapult from KDE3 to KDE4 or to implement a KDE4 interface for krunner [18:28] skreech: the latter for sure [18:28] Though with katapult plugins you can do things like use Gnome-do plugins as well so that would be an argument for starting with katapult [18:28] after all the krunner core does exactly what made up most of katapult [18:28] skreech: gnome-do plugins? [18:29] isn't that what plasma-runners are anyway? [18:29] Or whatever else you like [18:29] apachelogger: Yes but gnome-do already has plugins might as well use them === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve [18:29] See plasma using MacOSX widgets [18:29] plugins for what? [18:30] Flickr delicious etc [18:30] gnome-do has a crazy number of optional plugins [18:32] oh [18:33] Though krunner has kopete integration in Koala ^_^ [18:33] gnome-do would bring pidgin and empathy plugins as well through katapult so there would be more user choice [18:33] well [18:34] knowing free software the plugins implement UI stuff [18:34] knowing free software gnome-do probably uses python or mono [18:34] knowin free software I either refactor the shit out of gnome-do, or make katapult depend on mono or python and gtk and gnome [18:35] and then, I wonder what the point would be anyway :P [18:35] it's a plugin [18:35] if you don't want it don't use it [18:35] No need to depend on anything [18:35] yeah [18:35] but implement it [18:35] #katapult if you want to inquire :) [18:36] and why would anyone implement anything if no one is going to use it [18:36] though Mez is the person you should ask anyway [18:37] as I said pidgin plugins alone would ensure they get used [18:37] Lots of people on KDE don't like kopete and use pidgin instead [18:38] my guts say it will be 100% more efficient to just reimplement that as plasma-runner [18:39] All the gnome-do plugins ? [18:39] the 3 that make sense [18:40] knowing free software 90% of the available plugins are pointless stuff that counts at the very best as poc [18:42] well if you can do that and document how it's done then the rest should come over as needed [18:42] yay foss [18:43] as I see it, the better part of runner development is the interaction with $app/$web-api [18:44] How so? [18:46] cause everything else is handled by plasma anyway [18:46] well in theory it's handled by the gui [18:46] I can use krunner or quicksand and not use plasma [18:47] well plasma-desktop [18:50] no it is not [18:50] krunner builds upon libplasma [18:51] the abstractrunner class is also part of the plasma namespace, so there is no way you can implement a plasma-runner without using plasma [18:53] touche [19:00] Are we packaging the Blackboad desktop for Koala? === lipk is now known as micmord [19:12] Nightrose: ping [19:25] hum rekonq is doind pretty well those days... === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio- === Tonio- is now known as Tonio_ [19:26] \o/ [19:26] Hopefully we wil have a web browser shotout like we had a Text editor shootout [19:27] I'm just testing the addblock feature patch for arora :) [19:27] works pretty well though [19:47] apachelogger: can you upload again kdebase-workspace from bzr ? [19:48] or any core-dev... [19:54] lex79: yep ? [19:54] Hi Tonio_, kdebase-workspace in bzr...can you upload? :) [19:55] lex79: yep [19:55] thanks [19:57] Tonio_: maybe you can look a bit this k3b bug 416890 [19:57] Launchpad bug 416890 in k3b "[karmic] Latest libk3b6-extracodecs package depends on stripped ffmpeg packages, but not the unstripped ones." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/416890 [19:58] I think you should rebuild k3b against ffmpeg unstripped version, but not sure [20:00] lex79: http://paste.ubuntu.com/258232/ [20:00] micmord: thanks, Tonio_ ^^^ === Tscheesy is now known as Tscheesy__ [20:01] bug 416890 [20:01] Launchpad bug 416890 in k3b "[karmic] Latest libk3b6-extracodecs package depends on stripped ffmpeg packages, but not the unstripped ones." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/416890 [20:07] micmord: fixing this [20:14] lex79: uploaded [20:15] ok thank you [20:20] Would someone please ping me. [20:20] ScottK: ping ? [20:20] ScottK: [20:20] Thanks [20:20] rgreening: How did the Dooble packaging go? [20:21] ha. not so good. Got sidetracked. [20:22] micmord: hum I don't really get the point of that k3b issue ? [20:22] someone knows if akonadi-googledata will be in karmic? [20:23] Didn't it get uploaded? [20:24] ScottK: it isn't in archive [20:25] micmord: this has probably more to do with ffmpeg packaging than k3b... [20:25] micmord: deps on libk3b6 are acalculating automatically, so there's nothing I can do to fix them [20:26] ffmpeg lib should have a conditional dep dep between each other, with a meta package or so [20:26] Tonio_: rebuild k3b against ffmpeg unstripped version is not a good idea ? [20:26] instead ffmpeg stripped I meant [20:27] lex79: then the opposite problem would appear for someone installing the stripped ones, broken upgrade [20:27] lex79: that's the problem imho :) [20:29] yes I think :) btw kubuntu-restricted-extras depends on ffmpeg unstripped, and k3b depends on stripped version [20:29] lex79: hum that's not good indeed :) [20:29] no no :) [20:29] so in this case we can fix that way... let's go [20:30] rgreening: Bummer [20:59] jtechidna: There is a new tarball for kdevplatform, uploaded it in ktown two hours ago [21:06] Would someone please highlight me again. [21:07] ScottK: ping [21:07] lex79: thanks === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [21:08] JontheEchidna: Thanks. [21:08] JontheEchidna: you can subscribe kde-packager mailing list https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-packager [21:13] ScottK: what are you playing with, re the hilights? [21:23] hmm is there a bug about the notification << i >> not working on kde 4.30 [21:23] i cant find any [21:36] skreech: pong [21:49] Nightrose: What's the story with the openoffice.org dent? [21:51] skreech: ah heh - I was sitting in the vip room at froscon to eat something and asked a girl from open office what she's doing for openoffice - she replied she's basically doing nothing - I was waring my kde shirt and amarok nametag [21:51] then her parents showed up and talked about licensing and some other meh stuff [21:52] then somehow they got to talk about koffice... [21:52] and it went downhill from there [21:52] i don't think they koticed i was sitting right next to them [21:52] *noticed [21:52] knoticed? :) [21:52] ;-) [21:53] So out of intrigue. What was the thoughts on koffice? [21:53] yea - anyway - they were quite a weird family... [21:53] basically "it sucks and _I_ wouldn't have allowed to release it in that state" [21:53] Well how many families have an introduction like "Her parents showed up and talked about licensing" ? [21:54] basically "go back and play - leave the real stuff to the grown ups at ooo" [21:54] haha good point [21:54] Yeah not too surprised. most of the people who really work on OO.o are paid devs from Staroffice so they really see it as a product [21:55] i don't think they are paid devs - just drank way too much coolaid [21:55] honestly don't think they are devs at all [21:56] Well that makes me feel better about the whole I do nothing on OO.o then [21:56] They don't really influence either project [21:57] might be - i dunno - maybe they acutally are high profile OOo people - either way that made a _very_ bad impression [21:57] besides them being really strange people [21:57] but i guess you have to be strange to work on that project... [21:59] ah well when Koffice blows past them in features in 2 years time it won't relly matter [22:01] ;-) let's see [22:01] * Nightrose has high hopes [22:01] :-) [22:01] Ok I'm off [22:02] cya [22:04] i did not know where to report. [22:05] but i have problme playingback a dvd. ite seems the libdvdcss cannot decrypt. Is it a new protection? anybody seen this lately? [23:10] http://fatbuttlarry.blogspot.com/2009/08/kubuntu-logo-mock-ups.html I have to admit those proposed logos are all exceptionally ugly [23:26] Riddell: launchpad bug 417494 [23:26] Launchpad bug 417494 in kdebindings "Broken symlink in python-kde4" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417494 [23:26] Remove kubuntu_06_pykdeuic_install_path.diff fix the bug === niclasa is now known as Nicke_