=== markjones_ is now known as markjones [05:41] If I am on a team which is subscribed to all bugs in a project, is there a way to opt out of that on an individual level? [05:43] mrooney: Apart from filtering at your end, there is not. [05:43] I consider this a bug that is tempting to fix. [05:44] I think you should be able to opt-out individually at both a project and bug level. [05:44] wgrant: yes, both of those would be useful [05:45] the former being more immediately useful [05:45] Right. [05:48] subscriptions ARE a little wonky, since commenting on a bug asks if you want to subscribe, even if you are already implicitly subscribed, which is confusing. Yet I suspect it has meaning in that if I do that, and then leave the team, I'll still get mail. [05:48] Right. [05:49] There's a bug about that confusion. [05:49] But that confusion is gone on edge, as the checkbox is absent. [09:19] I'm getting occasional 502s from edge. [09:19] Sometimes more often than not. [09:29] Is "edge" undergoing maintenance ? [09:29] IntuitiveNipple: It was probably upgraded in the last hour or so, and seems to be partly dead :/ [09:30] It has had problems upgrading the past couple of times, but not quite like this. [09:32] ah-hah! I thought it might be my fault :) [09:32] edge isn't quite that fragile. [09:33] hmmm! I have one of those anti-technology auras - if something can go wrong, it will when I'm near it :p [10:25] Hello everyone. Can anyone help me to check this: if you save a suggestion for a translation in a Launchpad project, there isn't a way to edit it afterward, is it? [10:26] sure you can, just find it and change it [10:28] Mmm... I see the list of suggestions, among them there is the one I want to edit, but I only see a "Copy text" button near it. [10:30] IIRC you can't edit suggestions. [10:30] But it has been a while since I last looked at Translations... [10:34] wgrant: so it seems to me too. I wanted to check here before giving up. [11:09] Thank you and bye everybody. === sale_ is now known as sale [11:47] hi, ianto sent me here as i am to take over the running of the Welsh Translation team, and to become the future admin, should a decision be made [11:48] markjones: You might have better luck asking during the week. [11:49] wgrant: thanks === ripps_ is now known as ripps [12:41] hm [12:42] edge is acting up [12:44] Ursinha: Yes. Has been since around the restart that probably happened four hours ago. [12:45] argh [12:45] s/restart/update/ [12:45] wgrant, ah [12:45] wgrant, a cherrypick? [12:45] * Ursinha checks emails [12:45] Ursinha: no. Isn't there a normal update around then? [12:46] * wgrant isn't sure these days. [12:46] wgrant, what kind of update are you talking about? the regular code merge? [12:46] Ursinha: Yes. [12:46] Anyway, the problems started a little under four hours ago. [12:49] wgrant, last landed revision was 9209 [12:49] Ursinha: That looks like it landed on stable around 7 hours ago, although I can't say for sure as buildbot is sekrit. [12:50] a simple js change, what doesn't make much sense [12:50] So it probably did update around the time things died. [12:50] hm [12:50] Ursinha: Some appservers have failed to restart during the upgrade in the past week. [12:50] Ursinha: On at least two occasions, at least one appserver failed to shut down. [12:51] so maybe we have a dead server [12:51] Right. [12:51] I'd have to ask a losa [12:51] lpstats os often useful for that. [12:51] s/os/is/ [12:57] how many app servers does edge use? because I seem to hit the broken one pretty often [12:57] 4, IIRC. [13:00] Aha. So they're physically shared with the lpnet servers. 2 lpnets and 1 edge on each of the 4. I see. [13:04] Is there a way to delete a PPA when no longer required? [13:04] No (unless it never had any packages in it at all at any point in time) [13:05] It can be made invisible to anyone but the owner though [13:09] I was trying to figure out how to make it invisible, but can't see any obvious option to do so [13:10] IntuitiveNipple: It's an admin option. [13:10] IntuitiveNipple, you have to open a question requiring an admin to do that for you [13:11] s/requiring/asking/ [13:11] Ahhh... that would explain it :) [13:11] Thanks guys [13:11] IntuitiveNipple, np :) [13:15] anyone else timing out on launchpad? its doing it with every page [13:16] gnomefreak, timing out or the "try again" page? [13:16] Ursinha: try again (sorry just woke up a little while ago [13:17] gnomefreak, I`m getting those as well, wgrant reported it's happening for at least 7 hours now [13:17] don't know the reason though [13:18] ok thanks [13:29] * wgrant kicks edge4 a few times. [13:29] Everything else is slow, but I wonder if that's because pound is filling up with hung requests to edge4. [13:48] im not seeing the disable edge button [13:50] gnomefreak: use https://launchpad.net/ to see it [13:50] ok thats bad: you cant use edge.luanchpad... to disable it [13:50] geser: have to remove the edge part of url but it should be with the edge link [13:51] https://launchpad.net should be https://edge.launchpad.net just to make sense === exarkun_ is now known as exarkun [15:34] <_Andrew> When I update a package in my ppa that other depends upon why doesn't the other package get rebuilt to use the updated package? [15:48] _Andrew: because that's not how PPAs (or the Ubuntu archive, or the Debian archive, or any other distro of vaguely similar form's archive that I know of) work [15:49] <_Andrew> So I need to re upload the packages even though I haven't changed anything to get them to rebuild using the new dependencies? [15:49] Indeed. [15:49] <_Andrew> ok thanks [15:49] Assuming they *actually* need to be rebuilt [15:50] Which is not always the case, which is why it's not automatic [15:53] <_Andrew> I wish that was the case but someone stupidly put the version number in this package name [15:53] <_Andrew> So everytime I update the package version the name changes.. [15:53] <_Andrew> I need to change that really.. [15:54] * maxb wonders how wgrant can deduce precisely which appserver is the slow one :-) [15:56] * maxb can't see anything in https://edge.launchpad.net/~andrewfenn/+archive/ogredev with a version in its name [16:03] Man, launchpad is completely unusable today [16:04] Something is seriously wrong with the server [16:07] i keep getting intermittent 502 bad gateway errors from xmlrpc.edge.launchpad.net/bazaar/ when trying to merge or push bzr branches [16:36] statik: one of the edge app servers has a bad day today (since the last edge roll-out) [16:44] D: [16:44] downtime :( === markjones_ is now known as markjones === markjones_ is now known as markjones === lamont` is now known as lamont === ianto is now known as Guest69093 === spOO` is now known as spO === gmb changed the topic of #launchpad to: Edge slowness / errors being investigated | Launchpad login issues are being investigated | Launchpad is now open sourced: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | Help contact: - | Join https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-users | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | #launchpad-dev is the developer channel [20:20] * kfogel is away: packing up laptop to go to onShore. again. === gmb changed the topic of #launchpad to: Launchpad login issues are being investigated | Launchpad is now open sourced: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | Help contact: - | Join https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-users | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | #launchpad-dev is the developer channel === abentley1 is now known as abentley [22:12] maxb: OOPS is a few times and see which letters are missing. [22:12] s/is/it/ [22:13] devious :-) [22:21] ?? [22:22] * maxb wonders how wgrant can deduce precisely which appserver is the slow one :-) [22:23] maxb: the server number is part of the oops id [22:35] hi, with launchpadlib i can get the LP login with bug_task.bug.owner.name where bug_task = launchpad.load(URL) how can i get the real name? [22:36] bug_task.bug.owner.displayname [22:36] thks [22:37] i'm trying to learn how to build my ppa package for multiple distributions. i'm using pbuilder-dist to build the same source for both jaunty and karmic. do i need to have separate changelogs for my source for each dist when i upload to launchpad (so it knows what distribution to use)? [22:37] and is there some conventional way to manage that without copying over the source for each distro? [22:38] * thumper wonders if it is displayname or display_name [22:39] andresmujica: display_name [22:39] display_name ... testing right now [22:40] it failed with the first... :) where can i find documentation about that kind of stuff? i mean all the objects loaded by launchpad.load ? [22:42] andresmujica: https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc [22:42] I'm surprised you got very far without it. [22:44] i was using already developed scripts as a base, but now i really need it.. thks [22:50] morning wgrant [22:51] Morning thumper. [22:55] maxb: it would be even better if wgrant would know a way to work around the slow one [23:07] are the OOPS tracebacks still private? [23:15] geser: Yes. [23:15] Although I don't see why. [23:16] lazr.restful has always given the exception message (except in 500s; it says they might contain sensitive info) [23:16] that would be my next question :) as LP is now open-source [23:17] It's possible that private object information could be revealed. === spOO` is now known as spO [23:17] Particularly now there are private teams, even the existence of which is meant to be secret (but isn't really). [23:19] but the OOPS could be made public to the one who caused it (LP knows who is currently logged-in) and the LP admins [23:19] Even so. [23:19] The traceback shouldn't -- but might -- contain privileged information. [23:24] It's not too bad to have to poke a Canonical person to look at OOPSes, I don't think. [23:24] geser: open source means the /code/ is open [23:24] we'd have no concerns about the code being shown. But urls disclose database state, as do variable values [23:25] and the Canonical run launchpad instances have data that various users consider private [23:26] Security proxies should protect from leakage, even in tracebacks, but a lot of the security stuff is done manually. === kfogel is now known as this_is_john [23:26] (ew) [23:29] * geser enjoys the nice AJAX(?) loading when opening bug #230016 (once I got a working app server) [23:29] Launchpad bug 230016 in xmms2 "[intrepid] Rebuild with perl 5.10" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230016 [23:29] * wgrant runs to uni. [23:30] given that some users get shirty about addresses in bug reports etc; any "unnecessary" info exposure should be avoided. my 2c based on dealing with LP users info. - independent of my professional/work viewpoint. [23:30] geser: That's not AJAX; it's just broken, slow, synchronous JavaScript. [23:31] Wow, that really is awful. [23:31] * wgrant vanishes. === this_is_john is now known as kfogel [23:34] it's better to err to the safe side with private data === niclasa is now known as Nicke_