[00:04] <dotblank> Im liking these daily updates
[00:05] <penguin42> always gives a more interesting day
[00:06] <dodecanese> usr/bin/dpkg retuned anerror code (1)
[00:06] <penguin42> dodecanese: What did it do before that?
[00:06] <janne> have your mobile broadbands stopped working in the last few weeks?
[00:06] <dodecanese> i tried to install kde
[00:07] <dodecanese> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[00:07] <dodecanese> then i restarted
[00:08] <dodecanese> i hate this dependency hell
[00:10] <dodecanese> how can i get rid of this problem?
[00:11] <penguin42> apt-get will install all dependencies; that's not your problem - you would need to paste your full dpkg error to a pastebin somewhere
[00:14] <BUGabundo> dodecanese: have you tried aptitude?
[00:15] <BUGabundo> its MUCH better
[00:16] <dodecanese> i have no clue how it works
[00:16] <dodecanese> im logged in via putty
[00:17] <BUGabundo> dodecanese: open a terminal and type
[00:17] <BUGabundo> aptitude update
[00:17] <BUGabundo> and then when it finishes, type
[00:17] <BUGabundo> aptitude safe-update
[00:17] <BUGabundo> after that install kde
[00:17] <BUGabundo> aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[00:18] <BUGabundo> or you can simply use tasksel
[00:18] <penguin42> BUGabundo: What does the safe- bit do?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> penguin42: errr means its *safe* LOL
[00:18] <penguin42> oh, that's OK then
[00:19] <BUGabundo> penguin42: its replacing the plain *upgrade*
[00:20] <BUGabundo> where it would not downgrade the bad depencies
[00:20]  * penguin42 guesses it gives you a nice warm feeling it's safe
[00:21] <penguin42> BUGabundo: On a different note; I don't think I got any follow up on that firefox upgrade script bug info I added
[00:21] <BUGabundo> :\
[00:22]  * penguin42 hopes it gets fixed in the next couple of months otherwise it's going to get messy on release day
[00:22] <dodecanese> ok i try that and hope
[00:24] <dodecanese> i tried to startx
[00:24] <dodecanese> failed to load module "nvidia does not exist"
[00:26] <dajhorn> nvidia-glx-185 is currently broken for many mobile devices.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/408561
[00:28] <dodecanese> ok and how can i downgrade the driver?
[00:28] <bjsnider> it's broken for the quadro m chips
[00:28] <dodecanese> its a gtx8800
[00:28] <bjsnider> the others should work
[00:29] <bjsnider> dodecanese, what does dkms status tell you?
[00:30] <dodecanese> dkms?
[00:30] <bjsnider> run the command dkms status
[00:31] <dodecanese> nvidia, 185.18.31 2.6.31-6-generic, x86_64 installed
[00:31] <bjsnider> well, you should not be getting a message that says nvidia module does not exist
[00:31] <dodecanese> strange
[00:32] <dodecanese> i want back to 180 drivers
[00:32] <bjsnider> try sudo modprobe nvidia
[00:32] <dodecanese> i try to start x
[00:33] <dodecanese> failed to load module nvidia does not exist
[00:33] <bjsnider> try uname -r
[00:34] <dodecanese> generic 2.6.3-1
[00:34] <bjsnider> no, that's not what it says
[00:34] <dodecanese> 2.6.31.6-generic
[00:34] <dodecanese> 2.6.31-6-generic
[00:35] <dodecanese> i never touched the kernel
[00:35] <cyberkilla> Hello again
[00:35] <cyberkilla> Still have the same problem as before.
[00:35] <dodecanese> i try to install the older stuff
[00:36] <bjsnider> cyberkilla, i'm sure your issue is strictly packaging, not the driver itself
[00:36] <bjsnider> i'd try removing all x-server related stuff and all nvidia stuff
[00:37] <cyberkilla> hmm, I'm not sure how to do that.
[00:37] <bjsnider> then reinstall ubuntu-desktop and the nvidia-glx-185 package
[00:37] <bjsnider> just go through synaptic and search
[00:38] <bjsnider> they've obviously decided to jump to 185 and transition everyone off the 180 stuff, and it hasn't gone smoothly
[00:38] <cyberkilla> I wish they'd given a warning of some sort
[00:39] <dodecanese> i have no synaptic
[00:39] <dodecanese> i cannot startX
[00:39] <cyberkilla> I know it's an Alpha, but honestly, it was pretty crude
[00:39] <cyberkilla> How of the packages didn't even load
[00:39] <cyberkilla> *half
[00:39] <cyberkilla> I will attempt to follow your suggestions.
[00:40] <cyberkilla> But this is starting to sound risky:) I hate configuring X. I remember back to the days of Fedora Core 1
[00:41] <penguin42> cyberkilla: Well with a dev process you never quite know waht will break
[00:42] <cyberkilla> I know. I'm don't mean to blame anyone. These things happen - usually it's my fault, but this time I don't think I'm guilty:)
[00:43]  * penguin42 wonders if there is a graph anywhere of the number of people running the alphas - graphing the updates would be interesting
[00:44] <cyberkilla> In truth, I brave the alpha because I know its kernel finally has support for my laptop's hotkeys.
[00:44] <cyberkilla> But I usually end up installing them out of curiousity anyway.
[00:44] <cyberkilla> This is the first Alpha build I have tested. I usually wait until the betas.
[00:45] <cyberkilla> I have been running with the 190.x driver for an hour now.
[00:46] <cyberkilla> I haven't moved any windows around, and tried not to open too much stuff. So far, I haven't rebooted.
[00:46] <cyberkilla> But there are still artefacts when I cause too much repainting.
[00:48] <cyberkilla> Recovered GPU Errors: 1
[00:49] <cyberkilla> Which is interesting, as I noticed a fullscreen flicker then everything loaded again.
[00:49] <cyberkilla> I've seen it as high as 14 today
[00:50] <cyberkilla> I'm going to try to load FireFox
[00:51] <cyberkilla> odd
[00:51] <cyberkilla> It loaded maximised, but no reboot occured
[00:51] <dodecanese> crap i cant reinstall that
[00:51] <cyberkilla> Core temperature of graphics card: 73 C
[00:52] <dodecanese> i get mad
[00:52] <penguin42> toasty
[00:52] <cyberkilla> for idle, yes, it looks hot to me
[00:52] <cyberkilla> CPU is at 55C
[00:52] <cyberkilla> hard drive is at ~35
[00:52] <cyberkilla> It has been on all day though. It usually is
[00:53] <cyberkilla> I suppose it's adequate for a laptop
[00:53] <cyberkilla> Until this issue, only two things bothered me about ubuntu...
[00:55] <cyberkilla> #1. My harddrive is one of those affected by the APM issue. It would load cycle itself to death. Interestingly, the setting is the same as in Vista, but vista doesn't upset it as much. I suspect that the filesystem caused the issue, with it's constant writes to the hard disk.
[00:55] <cyberkilla> Now, instead of it being APM 128, it is APM 254, so it's running as fast as it pleases, with almost no energy saving.
[00:56] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and Vista never lets the drive sleeeeep, actually.
[00:56] <cyberkilla> My solution is to manually set it to 192, which is a value I found in the specs
[00:56] <DanaG> Something always pokes the drive.
[00:56] <cyberkilla> No, mine sleeps
[00:56] <cyberkilla> Which is surprising, I know
[00:56] <cyberkilla> It gets to park it's head for a minute or two
[00:56] <DanaG> I've never, ever, ever had a Windows system let the boot drive sleep.
[00:56] <cyberkilla> In Ubuntu, it can't go 15 seconds
[00:56] <cyberkilla> I disabled several services though
[00:56] <DanaG> I've tweaked my stuff with laptop-mode-tools... set commit time to 5 minutes.
[00:57] <cyberkilla> I am scared to do that tbh.
[00:57]  * penguin42 seems to remember there was someone noticing firefox did a lot of syncs that might make that worse
[00:57] <cyberkilla> Yes, I heard that too
[00:57] <cyberkilla> Oh, and #2...
[00:58] <dodecanese> i had to delete xorg.conf to start x
[00:58] <dodecanese> damnid dillweed driver
[00:58] <cyberkilla> My sound card is a pain. The headphones in karmic work, but only if I specifically set the audio output device to "headphones", which is quite amusing:)
[00:58] <cyberkilla> And, the volume curve isn't so good.
[00:58] <cyberkilla> The first 40% of the volume slider might as well not be there.
[00:59] <cyberkilla> Only the last 60% is of any use, in terms of an audible volume
[00:59] <cyberkilla> I don't mind so much though. Sony is very naughty with its hardware.
[00:59] <cyberkilla> It has taken 3 years for someone to figure out the ACPI issues with this particular range of laptops.
[01:00] <cyberkilla> dodecanese, what's your problem? Is it similar to my own?
[01:00] <penguin42> cyberkilla: It seems a lot of ACPI implementations in laptops really really really suck
[01:00] <dodecanese> i installed this dillweed driver crap 185, and couldnt start any X screen
[01:00] <dodecanese> i use a gtx8800 not a mobile
[01:01]  * penguin42 was reading about one today where something only showed up in the ACPI tables if the OS was Vista
[01:02] <cyberkilla> I read that a while ago! Several of them to it. If you identify as Linux in ACPI, it sends you a broken table
[01:02] <dodecanese> acpi tables are a gulasch soup
[01:02] <cyberkilla> They claim it was an error, but it's all pretty questionable.
[01:05] <dodecanese> wasted 3 hours for this crap
[01:06] <dodecanese> next i never update a nvidia driver again
[01:06] <dodecanese> i need it only for folding@home
[01:07] <cyberkilla> I've spent all day trying to return to the level of functionality I had when I switched my computer on this morning:P
[01:09] <dodecanese> im lucky its just a fileserver nothing productive
[01:11] <cyberkilla> I wonder where the people who manage the nvidia drivers hang around.
[01:11] <dodecanese> those drivers sucks
[01:11] <cyberkilla> There aren't many people in the ubuntu forums that actually respond to you, even if there are thousands online.
[01:12] <cyberkilla> You'd think they'd be straight in, making sure everyone knows the situation
[01:12] <dodecanese> maybean, but always remember its a alpha release
[01:12] <dodecanese> such things are supposed to happen
[01:12] <cyberkilla> Since nobody has complained of the same issues I have, it seems like it's a separate issue.
[01:13] <cyberkilla> But I don't see how it could be the case, since it started the moment I updated.
[01:14] <dodecanese> ok i try it again with the drviver
[01:14] <cyberkilla> What would cause artifacts if I caused too much repainting of the screen, but operated relatively normally if I tried not to do anything strenuous...
[01:14] <dodecanese> so i can play supertux over vnc
[01:14] <dodecanese> supertux rocks
[01:47] <bjsnider> DanaG, i think if you turn off the pagefile or put the pagefile on another drive, the boot drive will sleep
[01:47] <bjsnider> in windows
[01:47] <DanaG> eh, I spend most of my time in Linux, anyways.
[01:48] <bjsnider> dodecanese, did you reboot after doing the updates?
[02:01] <dodecanese> lol 60gb harddrive
[02:01] <dodecanese> yes it works
[02:01] <dodecanese> i deleted xorg.conf and installed the driver again, rebooted
[02:02] <MTecknology> I think I'm seeing some regression in the partitioning of the alternate cd.. configure lvm, raid, and encryption are always displayed and when you go to edit one
[02:02] <MTecknology> every partition is listed as an option
[02:02] <dodecanese> but i still cannot install kubuntu-desktop, got a error like that
[02:02] <dodecanese> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-bin_4%3a4.3.0-0ubuntu12_amd64.deb: Versuche, »/usr/share/kde4/apps/kcmsolidactions/solid-action-template.desktop« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket kdebase-workspace-data ist
[02:02] <dodecanese> a weird error
[02:03] <BUGabundo> dodecanese: did you try aptitude??
[02:03] <dodecanese> im now in gnome
[02:03] <dodecanese> synaptic
[02:03] <x1250> what does it say? LANG=C
[02:03] <BUGabundo> dodecanese: USE THE DARN APTITUDE
[02:04] <dodecanese> i had the same error with aptitude
[02:04] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you sounds incredulous, suh
[02:05] <BUGabundo> dodecanese: then wait for the files to build
[02:05] <BUGabundo> if by wendsday its still not fixed file a bug
[02:05] <dodecanese> ok
[02:07] <dodecanese> the fnord is everywhere
[02:08] <dodecanese> maybe its because i added a deb
[02:08] <dodecanese> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[02:12] <dodecanese> gnight sokrates try to sleep
[02:15] <dodecanese> dammid i cannot activate desktop effects
[02:15] <bjsnider> then you aren't running the nvidia driver
[02:16] <dodecanese> i run the nvidia driver
[02:20] <bjsnider> dodecanese, run the command glxinfo
[02:21] <bjsnider> pastebin the result
[02:27] <dodecanese> ok im back
[02:29] <dodecanese> http://pastebin.com/m7e7801cc
[02:29] <dodecanese> i had to repair my coffe machine, damn spastic coffe beans
[02:41] <dodecanese> i listen some buckethead
[03:20] <barrie> anyone been able to get atheros wifi working in karmic?
[03:26] <xray7224> has anyone noticed in the gnome system montier under prosesses when you try and change a process priority the gnome system monitor crash's
[03:59] <richardcavell> barrie_: yes
[04:00] <richardcavell> atheros 5000
[04:06] <barrie_> richardcavell: any way of getting it to work automatically?
[04:07] <barrie_> also, does knetworkmanager work for anyone in karmic?
[04:07] <richardcavell> barrie_: it works for me automatically
[04:07] <richardcavell> Network Manager on GNOME is unreliable
[04:08] <barrie_> really? I'm finding nm-applet works perfectly, but knetworkmanager doesn't connect to wireless at all, even though it recognises it
[04:09] <barrie_> richardcavell: what's the driver package called?
[04:10] <richardcavell> barrie_: not sure
[04:10] <richardcavell> I'm installing stuff at the moment so I can't look it up
[04:11] <barrie_> ok
[04:23] <bjsnider> barrie_, the ath5k driver is included in the kernel
[04:23] <bjsnider> there is a version that may or may not be better in the linux-backports-modules package
[05:17] <Hew> Hi, any ideas on what has caused my system to break this morning?
[05:25] <Hew> nobdy has reported Karmic breaking for them recently?
[05:25] <dtchen> in what manner?
[05:26] <dtchen> (it works fine locally)
[05:27] <Hew> When I try booting it doesn't start gdm
[05:27] <Hew> it drops me to a terminal
[05:27] <dtchen> what are your graphics hardware and X driver version?
[05:28] <Hew> ah I got the new nvidia-glx-185
[05:28] <Hew> that's probably the culprit
[05:28] <dtchen> works ok for my hardware. was the driver correctly compiled by dkms and loaded?
[05:29] <Hew> I'm not sure, I just updated last night and this morning it's not working :-(
[05:29] <Hew> I'm on a LiveCD atm
[05:31] <dtchen> well, that's where i'd start looking, e.g., see what dkms spits out during startup (you'll need to disable xsplash/usplash temporarily)
[05:32] <Hew> dtchen, is that boot stuff logged somewhere?
[05:33] <dtchen> Hew: well, not in any pretty manner, but yes- /var/log/dkms_autoinstaller
[05:33] <Hew> ok thanks
[05:34] <dtchen> Hew: dmesg is of course in /var/log/dmesg
[05:36]  * Hew has a Nexuiz tournament tonight he cannot miss! :o
[05:36] <Hew> brb
[05:46] <DanaG> hmm, gnome-bluetooth doesn't make the distinction between my two different bluetooth adapters I now have connected.  =þ
[05:59] <Hew> dtchen, I couldn't see any problems in /var/log/dkms_autoinstaller or /var/log/dmesg, although I did notice "modprobe vboxdrv failed" during startup
[05:59] <Hew> I also tried startx which failed
[05:59] <Hew> I will pastebin what I wrote down from that log
[06:02] <DanaG> hmm, I wonder what actual advantages bluetooth 2.1 brings over 2.0.
[06:03] <Hew> dtchen, http://paste.ubuntu.com/257881/
[06:04] <dtchen> Hew: you need at virtualbox 3.0.4, probably
[06:04] <dtchen> Hew: also, do you actually have the nvidia module and X driver?
[06:05] <dtchen> e.g., see dpkg -l nvidia\*185\*|grep ^ii
[06:05] <Hew> dtchen: I don't see why I wouldn't, it was working fine yesterday, I did apt-get dist-upgrade and I don't remember seeing anything important being removed
[06:06] <dtchen> Hew: yesterday a bunch of the 185 stuff went in
[06:06] <Hew> I will check again in a bit, it's an effort to keep switching between broken Karmic and LiveCD
[06:06] <Hew> yes, I saw that :)
[06:06] <Hew> -180 stuff got removed but I assume that was normal
[06:07] <dtchen> i.e., you need at least nvidia-185-kernel-source, nvidia-185-libvdpau, nvidia-185-modaliases, nvidia-glx-185, nvidia-common
[06:07] <Hew> as for Virtualbox, I don't see why that would prevent me from booting, I hardly use that anyway
[06:07] <Hew> ok, I will double check those are installed
[06:07] <dtchen> the necessary fix for 2.6.31-rc6 is only in the latest vbox
[06:07] <dtchen> also, why don't you just chroot into your karmic install from the live cd?
[06:09] <Hew> I'm not sure how to do that..
[06:10] <Hew> I'll give it a go
[07:00] <DanaG> ugh, stupid PA keeps starting with my audio devices muted.
[07:02] <DanaG> random, off-topic: har, now THIS... is overly shiny:
[07:02] <DanaG> http://www.wincustomize.com/zoom.aspx?skinid=6924&libid=1
[07:17] <x1250> Without pulseaudio my sound recorder is having nightmares. I uninstalled pulseaudio because it was being annoying (sound issues), so I'm using alsa. It works ok, but I have no volume icon, for example. Thats not alsa's fault ofcourse.
[07:18] <x1250> As I need a microphone, I will have to install pulseaudio, and hope the sound recorder gets fixed. Haha.
[09:08] <holzmodem> hi, the current kernel introduce "debian" and "debian.master" directories, I want rebuild the last kernel but debuild fails (missing changelog), how can I build the packages?
[09:08] <richardcavell> Does anyone here get a sound when logging on to Ubuntu?
[09:08] <richardcavell> I don't get any sound when logging on
[10:43] <rahman> Hi, I am using ubutnu 9.10 up-to-date. I can't enable compiz. I have a laptop with nvidia 9300m and 185.xx drivers are loaded
[10:45] <shadeslayer> anyone who tried : kubuntu-firefox-installer ?
[10:46] <robin0800> rahman: try killall gdm first
[10:47] <rahman> and what is i915 kernel module for? I dont have mobile intel graphics but it is loaded
[10:49] <RAOF> That's so that people who _do_ have intel cards get kernel mode setting.  I'm not sure why it remains loaded even when the hardware isn't there, though.
[10:51] <rahman> should it be conflicting with nvidia driver? should it be the reason that compiz can't enabled? But glxgears runs smooth and glxinfo reports that nvidia is in use
[10:53] <robin0800> rahman: its because compiz can't stop gdm as I told you
[10:54] <rahman> killall gdm: no gdm processes found
[10:54] <rahman> robin0800: ^
[10:54] <dodecanese> heh
[10:54] <dodecanese> i got a bananic problem
[10:55] <dodecanese> my harddrive is dying from cancer, how can i copy the crap with dd?
[10:55] <shadeslayer> dodecanese: shouldnt it be sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:55] <robin0800> now compiz reload
[10:55] <dodecanese> yeah later
[10:55] <SwedeMike> dodecanese: ddrescue/dd_rescue
[10:56] <dodecanese> the drive suffers from south korean flu
[10:57] <robin0800> dodecanese: you mean swine flue
[10:58] <dodecanese> no
[10:58] <dodecanese> the flu was called samsungian pest before
[10:59] <dodecanese> now i try a northern analog disk drive
[10:59] <dodecanese> or should i call it eastern analog?
[11:00] <rahman> robin0800: no change. $ compiz.real --replace
[11:00] <rahman> compiz.real (core) - Error: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[11:00] <rahman> compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
[11:01] <RAOF> Disable metacity's compositor.
[11:01] <RAOF> "gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager false" in a terminal will do it; you can also do it with gconf-editor.
[11:04] <rahman> RAOF: thanks man it worked
[11:04] <rahman> :)
[11:04] <rahman> RAOF: but I can only enable via console, appearance menu can't enable it still
[11:33] <richardcavell> Does anyone here get a sound when logging in?
[12:02] <richardcavell> Okay.  Does anyone not get a sound when logging in?
[12:04] <gnomefreak> richardcavell: yeah i do get sound on login. make sure its not muted when i booted earlier sound was muted for some reason
[13:16] <shadeslayer> did the servers just take a hit or whut
[13:16] <shadeslayer> my speed went from 20 KBps to 1 KBps
[13:17] <shadeslayer> and now its in Bytes :o
[13:18] <|ns|nR8> what server
[13:19] <shadeslayer> |ns|nR8: the main server
[13:21] <mac_v> anyone using xorg-edgers?
[13:23] <mnemo> mac_v: ask in #ubuntu-x
[13:23] <shadeslayer> mac_v: whats that?
[13:23] <mac_v> mnemo: thanx
[13:23] <mnemo> it's bleeding edge drivers for X.org, really unstable stuff for testing
[13:23] <mac_v> shadeslayer: thats for graphics card
[13:24] <shadeslayer> mac_v: like the nvidia beta drivers?
[13:24] <mac_v> i'm using ATI
[13:24] <mac_v> yeah but those Nvidia too
[13:24] <shadeslayer> mac_v: i have a nvidia beta driver (190.x.x.x)
[13:25] <shadeslayer> wth..im still getting speeds in b/s
[13:34] <Lademord> How do I upgrade to karmic alpha? 'update-manager -d' obviously doesn't work in KDE
[13:34] <Lademord> (in Kubuntu that is)
[13:34] <shadeslayer> Lademord: you can use a upgrade/live CD
[13:34] <shadeslayer> !upgrade
[13:34] <Lademord> Yeah, but I already have jaunty installed and don't want to burn another cd
[13:35] <shadeslayer> Lademord: hold one sec
[13:35] <Lademord> Damn, that UpgradeNotes wikipage is obsolete...
[13:35] <shadeslayer> Lademord: update-notifier-kde -u.
[13:36] <shadeslayer> in krunner
[13:36] <shadeslayer> Lademord: also ubuntu+1 is the support channel for kubuntu 9.10 as well
[13:36] <Lademord>  Remind me again... how do I open Krunner? I thought it was Ctrl + Space but that's not working
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Lademord: alt+F2
[13:37] <Lademord> thanks
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Lademord: theres no . at the end
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Lademord: update-notifier-kde -u
[13:37] <Lademord> hmm... I get "No new upgrade available"
[13:38] <Lademord> Ah, with -d it works
[13:38] <Lademord> Thanks, I'll try upgrading now
[13:38] <Lademord> Is there a list of known issues for Kubuntu somewhere?
[13:38] <Lademord> (karmic alpha that is)
[13:38] <hifi> what was the file again to change to allow startx over ssh?
[13:39] <shadeslayer> Lademord: see : kubuntu.org
[13:39] <Lademord> will do, thank you
[13:40] <shadeslayer> Lademord: theres a release note page there
[13:40] <mac_v> mnemo: ubuntu-x is dead :( no-one seems to be around , do you use edgers ppa?
[13:41] <mnemo> mac_v: not right now, no.. I've used it a lot before though
[13:41] <shadeslayer> brb
[13:41] <mac_v> mnemo: i just need to know how to set kernel parameter radeon.modeset=1 , in grub2? this is not something i have done
[13:42] <mac_v> before
[13:42] <hifi> ah, dpkg-reconfigure helped
[13:43] <mnemo> mac_v: i've never used grub2 (I upgraded my box to karmic so im still on grub1 I think)
[13:43] <mac_v> mnemo: hmm... ok thanx anyway :)
[13:45] <mnemo> mac_v: on weekday evenings (CET timezone) usually both bryce harrington and the guy that created xorg-edgers are hanging around in #ubuntu-x channel
[13:47] <mac_v> mnemo: thanx for the info , i'll see if i cant get it right by today :)
[13:47] <mac_v> i'll fool around a bit with grub2 by then ;p
[13:54] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:56] <penguin42> hi
[13:56] <BluesKaj> still not connecting to medibuntu for media updates
[13:57] <BluesKaj> have they changed their repos address?
[13:57] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Pick one of the addresses out of the dig and put that in your sources.list and see if that works?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> penguin42, which dig /medibuntu address do you recommend
[14:00] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: have you tried out the kubuntu-firefox-installer?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> all iget is some ips
[14:01] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, I used aptitude to install FF 3.5
[14:03] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: does it integrate with KDE?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer , what do you mean by integration ?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: does it look like it looks in gnome or does it use KDE's icon and theme etxc
[14:06] <shadeslayer> *etc
[14:06] <shadeslayer> oh yayy
[14:06] <shadeslayer> 63 MB of upgrades
[14:08] <BluesKaj> you have to edit manual settings for default in your email program if it's a pc hosted prog like thunderbird and default in system settings/default apps , and here in konversation ...dunno about gnome but it takes the themes used in other kde apps
[14:10] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, I'm not using FF atm, experimenting with chromium
[14:10] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:10] <BluesKaj> altho I have it installed
[14:13] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Well what's the name of the medibuntu repository?
[14:13] <shadeslayer> the repos are *sooo* slow today
[14:13] <BluesKaj> penguin42, http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/karmic free and non free
[14:14] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Replace the packages.medibuntu.org with the 88.191.79.39
[14:19] <BluesKaj> penguin42, ip addys don't work in sources.list
[14:19] <penguin42> can you ftp to that address?
[14:19] <penguin42> ah
[14:20] <penguin42> hmm - I wonder if the server needs the hostname in the request
[14:22] <BluesKaj> it 's a debian lighttpd server page , still being built
[14:23] <penguin42> it might be set up to serve something more sane based on the hostname; well you could try the other IPs
[14:24] <penguin42> (hostname based stuff does happen with http, but makes life harder to debug)
[14:27] <BluesKaj> penguin42, the source.list URL has to be specific , one need sthe the exact name in oder to fetch updates from it , such as : "deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ karmic free non-free"
[14:29] <BluesKaj> err sources.list
[14:30] <penguin42> ok, add an entry to your /etc/hosts   for packages.medibuntu.org for one of the ip's
[14:33] <BluesKaj> penguin42, never heard of substituting edits in etc/hosts in place of /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:34] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I'm just trying to get apt to force select one of the hosts - how would you do that?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> penguin42,  I'm thinking medibuntu karmic server/repos is just not being hosted right now
[14:35] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Possible
[14:37] <erisa__> I'm using NBR and see that there are dozens of maximus processes running.  Is that normal?
[14:38] <BluesKaj> penguin42, anyway , what's the difference between /etc/hosts and /etc/apt/ contacting the address , if it isn't accepting queries
[14:39] <penguin42> BluesKaj: There are multiple servers that have the packages.medibuntu.org address - I was suggesting you use /etc/hosts to forcibly select one
[14:41] <BluesKaj> penguin42, what would such an edit in /etc/hosts/ look like ?
[14:42] <penguin42> BluesKaj: A line like     88.191.82.11 packages.medibuntu.org
[14:45] <BluesKaj> penguin42, then how is it activated to look at that address ?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> etc/hosts that is
[14:45] <penguin42> BluesKaj: When apt does a name look up, the name switch code works through the definitions in /etc/nsswitch.conf and you should find the first entry on the line for host lookup is 'files' so it looks in /etc/hosts before anywhere else like dns
[14:57] <mandrew> anyone here on the dev team of ubuntu 9.10?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> mandrew, join #ubuntu-devel
[14:58] <mandrew> thanks
[14:59] <IdleOne> haha sorry mandrew I should of thought of that before
[14:59] <IdleOne> but your on your way
[15:00] <mandrew> ? :)
[15:00] <BluesKaj> penguin42, i don't see an entry for "files" in the aptitude update
[15:01] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It's not in aptitude - I never said it was?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> ok so I have to use apt ?
[15:01] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Use whatever you normally use - the only thing adding stuff to /etc/hosts is change the way network addresses are looked up - by all programs
[15:02] <IdleOne> mandrew: I sent you here just so you can be sent to the -devel channel. lol
[15:02] <mandrew> ok :)
[15:03] <BluesKaj> oops . penguin42 , I don't want it that bad ..I'll wait for a diff fix
[15:04] <mandrew> Idle0ne do you know of anyone thats on the dev team?
[15:06] <scizzo-_> !ask | mandrew
[15:06] <mandrew> nice touch but it dont help me ;)
[15:07] <scizzo-_> well the only thing you are doing is asking for developers but you have not put a good notice of why you would _need_ a developer....
[15:08] <mandrew> well i think its better to talk to some one that can change things cuz i dont need help realy
[15:10] <scizzo-_> right
[15:11] <scizzo-_> mandrew: the only thing I am pointing to is that if you have a patch, bug etc then launchpad is there to help you with applying them to a product...
[15:12] <scizzo-_> mandrew: if you are _wondering_ about something conserning Karmic you can go here and ask since there are ubuntu team members in here that can answer the questions you have
[15:12] <BluesKaj> mandrew, why don't you just join the #ubuntu-devel chat and ask your question there .. i suspect you want personal attention like PM or something ...most chat members who are doing dev work don't have time for one on one help.
[15:12] <mandrew> ok thanks
[15:17] <mandrew> i dont realy need help with any problem i just wanted to make sure that they keep the 9.10 as it is cuz i now it just work out of the box on my netbook, ive spent last 2 month with probz on linux and to find a version that works
[15:18] <mandrew> now it just works and im the happiest guy on earth
[15:18] <scizzo-_> o.O
[15:18] <penguin42> mandrew: Stuff will change over the next couple of months as things get fixed - but of course that might break thing; the important thing is to keep testing
[15:18] <cdE|Woozy> and to file bugs if anything breaks :)
[15:19] <penguin42> yep; as long as you do that regularly it's not too difficult to roll back to something that worked
[15:19] <mandrew> is it possible to roll back?
[15:20] <penguin42> mandrew: Individual packages normally yes, big changes are much more difficult
[15:21] <mandrew> ok
[15:22] <mandrew> ive toasted a netbook in my search for a working dist and things like that is expensive :)
[15:23] <cdE|Woozy> toasted?
[15:23] <penguin42> mandrew: Oh I doubt you've toasted the machine
[15:23] <mandrew> killed it
[15:23] <cdE|Woozy> how did you manage to do that?
[15:23] <mandrew> they needed to change the moyherboard
[15:23] <mandrew> just dont know im the biggest n00b out here ;)
[15:24] <mandrew> motherboard*
[15:24] <mandrew> but hey i still love linux lol
[15:28] <penguin42> mandrew: I doubt Linux did that to it; either that or the repair guys were too dumb to know how to reinstall
[15:31] <IdleOne> they probably looked for the recovery partition of windows
[15:32] <mandrew> well i think i f-ed the bios up cuz i could not get it to boot up on the cd-reader
[15:33] <mandrew> it could not even see the cd-reader
[15:36] <mandrew> well i have to go thanks guys
[15:36] <agent42> where should I report an "An internal system error has occurred" in kubuntu+1?
[15:39] <penguin42> agent42: That's an unusual error - where exactly do you see that?
[15:45] <agent42> I see when I hit Refresh in Software Updates
[15:46]  * penguin42 hasn't seen that before
[15:46] <penguin42> agent42: From a command line do    apt-get update     and tell me what happens
[15:47] <agent42> sudo apt-get update?
[15:47] <penguin42> yes
[15:50] <agent42> how do I start command line in Kubuntu?
[15:51] <scizzo-_> agent42: start a terminal
[15:51]  * penguin42 can't remember the menu names in kubuntu, but I think it's under system and there is terminal
[15:51] <scizzo-_> agent42: or konsole is the name in kubuntu
[15:55] <agent42> ok, found konsole/terminal and performed sudo apt-get update, it fetched 108kB
[16:00] <penguin42> did it give any errors?
[16:01] <agent42> no errors
[16:02] <penguin42> agent42: OK, try doing the update manager again and see if you get an error - just clarifying, this is KDE update manager?
[16:03] <agent42> it KPackageKit
[16:04] <penguin42> hmm, I don't know the KDE apps, so I'll hold my flippers up there and let other people help
[16:06] <penguin42> although it's probably worth checking launchpad to see if any similar errors
[16:06] <agent42> - and yes I get the error again
[16:07] <penguin42> one for the KDE folks; you could try #kubuntu I guess
[16:07] <penguin42> (do they have a +1?)
[16:07] <burner> one way to find out :)
[16:08] <agent42> i tried to go to #Kubuntu+1 and found you here :)
[16:08] <penguin42> oh I see
[16:10] <agent42> I found #393726 on launchpad, but error type and trace is different
[16:10] <penguin42> probably best to create a new one then
[16:11] <agent42> ok, will do
[16:13] <dodecanese> kubuntu is broken
[16:15] <ghostcube> --- dont kill the cd by stepping on it ---
[16:22] <penguin42> does anyone know about editing menus in gnome?  For reasons I can't understand terminal has just decided that 'S' should start a new terminal and I can see it's got bound to that menu entry
[16:23] <penguin42> oh got it, it appears if you type a key with the menu up it binds it - that's a bit too easy to screw up!
[16:24] <agent42> :)
[16:37] <penguin42> how do you attach a bug to multiple packages within Ubuntu?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> hmm, where's the equivalent for /etc/modprobe.conf in karmic ?
[16:38] <penguin42> BluesKaj: The files in /etc/modprobe.d
[16:38] <BluesKaj> thx penguin42
[16:38] <mnemo> penguin42: press "Also affects project" and then select a "project" inside the "distro" "ubuntu"
[16:39] <burner> can anyone tell me why my sound doesn't show up as an output device?  The module is loaded when i run lsmod  http://burner.ath.cx/Screenshot.png
[16:42] <penguin42> mnemo: Acutally, it's the 'also affects distribution' one that lets you pick another package in ubuntu
[16:43] <MTeck> Is anybody noticing really long dns lookup times in 9.10?
[16:44] <MTeck> I also noticed a regression in security :(
[16:44] <mnemo> penguin42: ah right.. sry for misleading you.. I didnt look at the page I just remember its one of those links :)
[16:44] <mnemo> MTeck: what is the security regression?
[16:45] <jonathonf> burner: try upgrading to the pulseaudio test5 in the pa PPA
[16:45] <penguin42> MTeck: DNS seems OK for me
[16:46] <MTeck> mnemo: I had two partitions on lvm inside LUKS (AES-128) - after I upgraded I got an error about not being able to find the device. I checked to make sure the UUID didn't change.
[16:46] <penguin42> mnemo: It's OK - I used it for bug 417736 - although I can see the problem is evince it looked right the gnumeric guys should know since that's where the symptom appears
[16:46] <MTeck> Apparently I can't file a bug right now
[16:48] <MTeck> Now I can - mnemo does it sound like something I should file?
[16:48] <burner> jonathonf: this ppa?  https://launchpad.net/~chrisirwin/+archive/cwi-pulseaudio
[16:49] <mnemo> MTeck: so you lost all data on those partitions?
[16:49] <burner> jonathonf: test5 is in karmic and I have it installed
[16:50] <MTeck> mnemo: yup - fought with it for a couple days (about 8hr total) - just gave up yesterday
[16:50] <penguin42> MTeck: Did lvm still show the lv's ?
[16:50] <mnemo> MTeck: then I say definite file a bug on it.. that's a severe bug
[16:51] <MTeck> penguin42: no idea - lvm was inside luks
[16:51] <penguin42> MTeck: OK, so you had a normal partition that was luks'd then lvm inside that ?
[16:51] <jonathonf> burner: ok - have you installed the pulseaudio udev module?
[16:52] <MTeck> penguin42: ya
[16:52] <burner> jonathonf: sudo apt-get install pulseaudio-module-udev shows I have the latest version installed
[16:52] <penguin42> MTeck: and at what point did it go wrong? Could you do the luksOpen ?
[16:53] <jonathonf> burner: ok, i'm out of ideas :)
[16:53] <jonathonf> oh, which kernel version? 31-6?
[16:53] <burner> that's the one
[16:54] <burner> thanks for trying to help me out anyway... i might have to try an older kernel to get back to rocking out
[16:54] <jonathonf> you could try 31-7... ? it's not in the repos yet but has been built
[16:54] <dotblank> hey does eclipse not work in karmic?
[16:54] <dotblank> or rather installing it
[16:55] <jonathonf> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31-rc7/
[16:55] <dotblank> !paste
[16:55] <burner> worth a shot... thanks jonathonf
[16:55] <dotblank> http://paste.ubuntu.com/258129/
[16:59] <MTeck> penguin42: I tried to turn on the system - if I tried to do it in single user mode I get a message about searching for encrypted devices or something like that. It waits for a long time than says it couldn't find any device with a certain id. I checked to make sure the id was right and proceded to give up and wipe things clean
[17:00] <penguin42> MTeck: Ah this is the root filesystem encrypted? I don't really know how those work - but I would have tried from a boot cd and used cryptsetup luksOpen to try and open the encryption and then mount the lvms to get the data off
[17:00] <MTeck> oh
[17:00] <MTeck> where were you when I was asking earlier -_-
[17:00] <MTeck> :P
[17:01] <agent42> penguin42: I reported the bug in bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/417742
[17:02] <penguin42> MTeck: Either asleep or eating; that covers most of my weekends
[17:05] <MTeck> this was during the week ;)
[17:05] <MTeck> I'm not too worried - only ~16 hours worth of work lost - I've done worse.
[17:07] <penguin42> MTeck: Ah I don't irc while I'm working; I'd never get anything done :-)
[17:09] <MTeck> :P
[17:09] <legodude> any ideas why as soon as I start copying files involving a usb hard drive, the responsiveness of my system takes a dive?
[17:09] <legodude> like mp3 playback will stutter, the mouse gets jerky
[17:10] <legodude> and copying is going at ~4MB/s
[17:10] <penguin42> legodude: That's a bit grim; it could be a straight forward bug - I'd check (from /proc/interrupts) if your usb interface is sharing interrupts with anything else (but even then it shouldn't do it) and I'd do a dmesg to see if there are any nasty errors
[17:10] <mnemo> legodude: any error messages printed to "dmesg" while this happens?
[17:10] <MTeck> It's bug 417750
[17:12] <legodude> everything seems to be on its own interrupt
[17:12] <BluesKaj> penguin42, getting medibuntu to connect was a matter of blacklisting ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf. The guys over at #medibuntu made the suggestion about blacklisting ipv6 cuz it was preventing the connection to their repos too. It was a matter of finding the proper place/file to blacklist it
[17:13] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Hey now how many times did I say to you ipv6 ?
[17:13] <legodude> mnemo: a couple errors that came up halfway through the copying process
[17:15] <legodude> oh man
[17:15] <legodude> this is unusable
[17:15] <penguin42> legodude: Any particular errors?
[17:15] <BluesKaj> ok, I must admit that you were correct but there was no way to fix it with the old method , like in intrepid etc so I wasn't convinced until I spoke to the medibuntu ppl.
[17:15] <legodude> sorry, it is taking a second to even copy stuff around
[17:16] <legodude> iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: Can not allocate SKB buffers
[17:16] <legodude> swapper: page allocation failure. order:2, mode:0x4020
[17:16] <legodude> two of those
[17:16] <legodude> with associated call trace
[17:18] <penguin42> legodude: That sounds worth reporting; the page allocation failure makes it sound like it's running out of memory and if that's the case no wonder it's going very slow - the question is why
[17:18] <legodude> but htop reports 2gb being used
[17:18] <legodude> with 4gb total ram and 1gb swap
[17:18] <legodude> and those errors happened well after the copying operation started, do you still think they are related?
[17:19]  * penguin42 isn't sure - but running out of memory is a normal good reason for machines to get that grindy slow
[17:19] <mnemo> legodude: include all of dmesg when you report the bug, just to be sure
[17:19] <penguin42> would also be tempted to include a few lines of the output of vmstat 1    while the copy is going
[17:20] <legodude> 0 12 205640  27884  69436 1724756    0  144  3468  4192 2230 4681  8  5  0 87
[17:21]  * penguin42 can't remember the columns
[17:21] <legodude> er
[17:21] <legodude> yeah
[17:21] <legodude> just realized that
[17:22] <legodude> I don't necessarily know why, but it seems like an interrupt or scheduler type problem to me
[17:22] <legodude> I can run very cpu intensive tasks while all this is going on
[17:22] <legodude> and they seem as quick as ever
[17:23] <legodude> http://pastebin.com/d7c35f821
[17:23] <penguin42> yeh that's because it's IO or memory not CPU that's run out
[17:23] <legodude> should have mentioned cpu and memory intensive tasks
[17:25] <legodude> although it is still complaining about memory in dmesg
[17:26] <legodude> now with some dmesg: http://pastebin.com/d4aaa14ae
[17:28] <MTeck> I'm having this bug too - 382473
[17:28] <MTeck> Aside from the two bugs and slow dns lookups, 9.10 seems to be doing well
[17:28] <jonathonf> #382473
[17:29] <jonathonf> bug 382473
[17:29] <penguin42> legodude: Something is eating memory - not sure what
[17:29] <legodude> I'm gonna try a reboot and some proper poking
[17:29] <legodude> brb
[17:29] <penguin42> legodude: But it's interesting from that vmstat that you have a lot of cached
[17:29] <penguin42> oh
[17:31] <legodude> okay
[17:32] <penguin42> legodude: But it's interesting from that vmstat that you have a lot of cached - you shouldn't run out of memory with a lot of cache; it should drop some cache
[17:33] <legodude> penguin42: yup
[17:33] <legodude> okay, copying from internal disk to usb disk 1 gets me 92MB/s
[17:34] <penguin42> legodude: So I think that's a bug and I'd file it against linux in ubuntu - you shouldn't run out of memory with lots of cache
[17:34] <legodude> hrm
[17:47] <jonathonf> dies xsplash do anything yet?
[17:47] <jonathonf> !xsplash
[17:49] <kaddi> !info xsplash
[17:49] <kaddi> maybe?
[17:53] <BluesKaj> is there a known bug about dependency probs with kdebase-workspace-data on system is 4:4.3.0-0ubuntu12 being replaced by : kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.3.0-0ubuntu13) ?
[17:54] <HazRPG> hey guys
[17:54] <HazRPG> does anyone know how to re-enable ALT+F2 for the run command?
[17:55] <HazRPG> since putting 9.10, I haven't been able to use it
[17:55] <jonathonf> disable transparency on gnome-panel
[17:55] <jonathonf> put it back to solid colour
[17:55] <jonathonf> it's a completely random bug
[17:56] <BluesKaj> HazRPG, dunno , I just right click on the desktop and choose the run command
[17:56] <jonathonf> not solid colour, None (system theme)
[17:57] <HazRPG> I've got it set to that though
[17:57] <kaddi> HazRPG: have you checked the global shortcuts, maybe you just need to reset it again?
[17:57] <BluesKaj> jonathonf, I have it set to transparency too, and alt+f2 works
[17:58] <jonathonf> huh
[17:58] <jonathonf> actually i've just tried it and now alt-f2 isn't working for me either
[17:58] <HazRPG> hmmm... I clicked on keyboard shortcuts under system->preference and I got an "application problem" error
[17:59] <BluesKaj> not using gnome so I can't replicate the error
[17:59] <kaddi> me neither
[18:00]  * penguin42 will try
[18:01] <BluesKaj> kaddi, are you getting dependency errors when upgrading , namely with kdebase-workspace-data ?
[18:01] <penguin42> HazRPG: Yep - it's screwed; if you report it and give me the bug number I'll confirm it
[18:01] <edgy> Hi, kdebase-workspace-bin: Depends: kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.3.0-0ubuntu13) but 4:4.3.0-0ubuntu12 is installed
[18:01] <edgy> penguin42: exactly!
[18:01] <kaddi> BluesKaj: I'm having issues with my wifi, haven't updated in a couple of days
[18:02] <edgy> how can I install the old version?
[18:02] <HazRPG> penguin42: sure, although it told me I could report it at the moment because I need to update a few things first
[18:02] <penguin42> HazRPG: OK, I'll see if it lets me do it
[18:03] <penguin42> HazRPG: OK, it wants me to update libcups - but grrr
[18:03] <HazRPG> penguin42: alright cool
[18:03] <HazRPG> penguin42: heh, yeah same
[18:03] <BluesKaj> edgy, yes I have the same error, apt is looking for the new one 4:4.3.0-0ubuntu13
[18:03] <raymondjtoth> hi is 9.10 good to use
[18:03] <DWonderly> Raymondjtoth: Define good to use
[18:03] <raymondjtoth> and dose it havd gui
[18:03] <HazRPG> raymondjtoth: its still in development, so it's up to you - bare in mind there might still be a fair few amount of bugs
[18:04] <raymondjtoth> was thinking of useing it
[18:04] <edgy> BluesKaj: can't we revert back to the old ubuntu12 version?
[18:04] <BluesKaj> BBL ...errands to do
[18:04] <penguin42> raymondjtoth: For me it's not too bad; some people have some nastier bugs - it's an alpha remember so it could do really nasty things
[18:04] <darthanubis> http://pastebin.ca/1540527
[18:04] <raymondjtoth> penguin42 dose it havd intel wireless driver in it
[18:04] <darthanubis> edgy: looks like you had the same issue
[18:04] <darthanubis> I missed the fix?
[18:04] <penguin42> raymondjtoth: I think so, but I don't use wireless
[18:05] <raymondjtoth> ok how i upgrade to 9.10
[18:05] <BluesKaj> darthanubis, don't think there is one yet
[18:05] <DWonderly> The UNRs soom to be working good... At least the Gnome one... I was having issues getting KDE UNR to connect WiFi. It will detect but connection is another problem
[18:05] <darthanubis> raymondjtoth: read and follow the direction on the website, how else?
[18:05] <raymondjtoth> ok
[18:05] <HazRPG> raymondjtoth: it should do, but again bare in mind there may still be some bugs in everything, so some things might work and some might not - for me intel wireless drivers are working fine
[18:05] <raymondjtoth> ok
[18:06] <HazRPG> raymondjtoth: if your sure about testing it, make sure you understand it is still in development
[18:06] <raymondjtoth> yes
[18:06] <HazRPG> raymondjtoth: best to try it on a machine that isn't used for your everyday stuff
[18:06] <kaddi> i couldn't get any output with the latest alpha on my laptop,
[18:06] <raymondjtoth> its on my lapy
[18:06] <DWonderly> or, dual boot it <G>
[18:06] <kaddi> it is rare, but you have to expect this kind of problems...
[18:06] <HazRPG> raymondjtoth: best way is to open up terminal (or ALT+F2) and type in "update-manager -d" (without quotes)
[18:07] <penguin42> raymondjtoth: If you have a backup of critical stuff and you know how to get yourself out of a really screwed up system then give it a go
[18:07] <HazRPG> raymondjtoth: you should see "upgrade to karmic" or "upgrade to 9.10" on there
[18:07] <darthanubis> ppl want to use an alpha but too lazy to read?
[18:07] <HazRPG> raymondjtoth: make sure you backup before-hand just in-case
[18:07] <darthanubis> we encourage this now?
[18:08] <kaddi> no
[18:09] <HazRPG> penguin42: right, update complete, it might need a restart - will be back in a moment
[18:09]  * penguin42 is just waiting for his update - I'm just going to be afk for 5mins while I make my bed :-)
[18:17] <BUGabundo> boas
[18:20]  * penguin42 returns
[18:20] <kaddi> wb
[18:21] <kaddi> argh, karmic froze during the update process :/
[18:22] <HazRPG> heh when I restarted - I ended up at the command line
[18:22] <penguin42> HazRPG: For me this upgrade hasn't asked for a restart - so it isn't getting one
[18:23] <HazRPG> don't know what happened there
[18:23] <kaddi> that definitely is a first. XD "the program "unknown" has crashed"
[18:23] <penguin42> kaddi: It's interesting you say that
[18:24] <HazRPG> anyways, as I was saying when I restarted I ended up at a command line and not my desktop
[18:24] <mnemo> kaddi: does it say what program crash if you look in "dmesg" ??
[18:24] <HazRPG> didn't know the command to boot up gnome
[18:24] <penguin42> kaddi: in the output of xlsclients  I have one called '<unknown>'
[18:24] <kaddi> mnemo: actually I just saw in the details it says executable kdmgreet, and the crash is segmentation fault
[18:25] <penguin42> HazRPG: startx should do it or /etc/init.d/gdm start
[18:25] <HazRPG> ah cool
[18:25] <HazRPG> right, brb then - lets see what happens
[18:27] <kaddi> ok, i get a segfault in kbuildsycoca as well :/
[18:28] <kaddi> i had to break an update in the middle of the configuration, what is the command for rerunning it?
[18:29] <penguin42> HazRPG: Keybinding problem is 412732 and already got a fix committed and released
[18:32] <HazRPG> penguin42: ooo cool
[18:32] <HazRPG> right gonna see if I can get into ubuntu first lol
[18:34] <kaddi> ok, kdm is crashing... anyone know how to configure wifi without a gui? (it's wpa2) There are some held-back packages and I hope they might resolve my problem
[18:35] <nukedeath> Hello, I tired to install Ubuntu 9.10 Alpha 4 with wubi on WIn 7, cant boot into ubuntu, it just reboots when i choose it in the boot menu
[18:44] <nhasian> nukedeath, yeah wubi doesnt always work.  you should install ubuntu to its own partition or drive
[18:44] <HazRPG> winner!
[18:45] <nukedeath> Since im on a EEE, i will try å USB install and see what happens
[18:45] <penguin42> HazRPG: What was it?
[18:45] <HazRPG> for some reason it took off my nvidia drivers, but managed to get everything back up n running again - feeling rather pro right now :D
[18:45] <nukedeath> i need to use 9.10 alpha because of the new artheros drivers on kernel
[18:45] <BUGabundo> kewl pidgin 1.6 on PPA
[18:45] <penguin42> ah, quite a few people been fighting Nvidia drivers on here in last few days
[18:45] <HazRPG> some swish keyboard types and it was back
[18:45] <BUGabundo> nukedeath: that's the wrong reason to use a devel verions
[18:46] <BUGabundo> you could very well get mainline kernels
[18:46] <HazRPG> for a moment I didn't think I'd be able to solve it - but I'm back :D
[18:46] <BUGabundo> penguin42: so far so good here with nvidia on a 8400 GM
[18:46] <nukedeath> i can try to upgrade the kernel, but how can i do that with no internet? xD
[18:46] <penguin42> nukedeath: sneakernet
[18:47] <BUGabundo> nukedeath: you are only now, aren't u?
[18:47] <nukedeath> where can i get the newest kernel? :3
[18:47] <jonathonf> kernel back port repo
[18:48] <mrmcq2u> has anything been done on the new gdm beyond mockups?
[18:48] <penguin42> Does anyone know anything that documents what actually happens on hibernate - I'm not interested in the kernel level (I think I vaguely understand that) - more the dbus/screenlock/*-kit's
[18:49] <jonathonf> nukedeath: https://edge.launchpad.net/~a7x/+archive/kbp
[18:50] <BUGabundo> no jonathonf
[18:50] <BUGabundo> not there!!!
[18:50] <jonathonf> ?
[18:51] <BUGabundo> nukedeath: jonathonf https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/MainlineBuilds
[18:51] <HazRPG> penguin42: what was the bug number you sent me a second ago
[18:51] <jonathonf> i've got that lernel running on a jaunty vostro and it's fine
[18:52] <penguin42> HazRPG: bug 412732
[18:52]  * penguin42 pats ubottu
[18:52] <Trewas> mrmcq2u: if they have done any kind of mockup or design before new GDM it comes as a surprise to me :)
[18:52] <HazRPG> penguin42: cheers dude
[18:54] <HazRPG> penguin42: fix commited, means that someone has patched it up and has put it in the git repo source code correct?
[18:54] <penguin42> HazRPG: I think so; I guess it just has to bubble through to a package
[18:55] <HazRPG> penguin42: but doesn't necessarily mean that there is a binary update that you can download just yet... (that would be my guess)
[18:55] <penguin42> HazRPG: Yeh I think that's right
[18:55] <HazRPG> penguin42: heh yeah
[18:57] <nacho_> hi
[18:57] <nacho_> have you got working gnome-shell?
[19:00] <jonathonf> nacho_: make sure you've only got one version of xulrunner installed
[19:00] <nacho_> ii  xulrunner-1.9                              1.9.0.13+nobinonly-0ubuntu1                XUL + XPCOM application runner
[19:00] <nacho_> and the 1.9.1
[19:01] <jonathonf> ok, so remove one of them - ideally 1.9
[19:01] <jonathonf> then gnome-shell --replace should work
[19:03] <penguin42> is gnome-shell a window manager then?
[19:03] <nacho_> jonathonf, yep
[19:03] <nacho_> that was the problem
[19:03] <nacho_> thanks
[19:06] <graingert> hi
[19:06] <BUGabundo> hi graingert
[19:09] <jonathonf> penguin42: it's the wm for gnome3
[19:10] <penguin42> jonathonf: Ah OK, I wasn't sure if it was actually a WM or just an additional app - hmm I'd better give it a go then
[19:10] <DPic> so a couple of days ago some update came along and now gdm doesn't start
[19:10] <DPic> graphics problem i assume
[19:10] <jonathonf> it's pretty good. a little rough round the edges
[19:11] <HazRPG> anyone having trouble with mobile broadband devices?
[19:12] <BUGabundo> ME ME ME
[19:12] <BUGabundo> finally fixed on trunk
[19:12] <BUGabundo> for two weeks it didn't work HazRPG
[19:12] <bjsnider> network manager trunk?
[19:12] <BUGabundo> I had to downgrade to an older version
[19:12] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: daily trunk ppa w00t
[19:14] <HazRPG> lol
[19:14] <HazRPG> ah right cool, didn't realise cos I barely use it
[19:14] <HazRPG> but the one time I needed it, and couldn't use it lol
[19:16] <bjsnider> that dude was using firefox 2
[19:17] <HazRPG> bjsnider: which dude?
[19:17] <bjsnider> graingert
[19:17] <bjsnider> when he quit it said he was on firefox 2.0.0.20
[19:17] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOL
[19:17] <BUGabundo> well not everyone can be using FF 3.7
[19:18] <BUGabundo> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.3a1pre) Gecko/20090821 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Minefield/3.7a1pre ID:20090821154453
[19:18] <HazRPG> hehe
[19:18] <gbs-wes> The latest update suddenly broke my. Nvidia card... And I can't find anything about it on google yet. Is this a known issue, and is there a fix/workaround?
[19:18] <HazRPG> yeah, I know someone still one firefox 1 >_<
[19:18] <bjsnider> oh come on
[19:18] <bjsnider> you do not
[19:18] <HazRPG> just because it runs faster - apparently
[19:18] <bjsnider> you cannot be serious
[19:18] <HazRPG> I'm serious
[19:19] <gbs-wes> Does he also wear a tin-foil hat?
[19:19] <HazRPG> I always use my pendrive to use the internet at his, with my portable firefox on it
[19:19] <HazRPG> gbs-wes: might as well be
[19:20] <kaddi> HazRPG: if he's on a windows system you might wanna watch out for autorun.inf ;) the exploits must be having a field day with him :p
[19:20] <bjsnider> gbs-wes, there were a couple of people in here yesterday complaining about the nvidia upgrade too
[19:20] <bjsnider> unfortunately they failed to fix their problem
[19:21] <HazRPG> kaddi: heh true, but I have ubuntu on a pen drive, so its all good :)
[19:21] <gbs-wes> Yeah, figured... Don't understand why every beta has to break nvidia... Without fail
[19:21] <BUGabundo> gbs-wes: try dist-upgrade
[19:21] <gbs-wes> I did...
[19:21] <BUGabundo> I think its failing to pull the modules
[19:21] <gbs-wes> It's the proprietary driver
[19:21] <BUGabundo> I got lucky it seems . all run smooth
[19:21] <BUGabundo> I know, I have it!
[19:21] <kaddi> HazRPG: you might still be reinfecting him (or others) when you attach that stick to a windows os ;)
[19:22] <BUGabundo> then again, I had sarvatt ppa version before the upgrade
[19:22] <BUGabundo> could be the reason why I escpade the prob
[19:22] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOL
[19:22] <gbs-wes> Hmmm weird. Will you email me your xorg.conf?
[19:22] <HazRPG> kaddi: you act like I don't know the shortcut to stop devices from auto-running lol
[19:23] <kaddi> HazRPG: I've just seen one infected PC to many ;)
[19:23] <HazRPG> gbs-wes: or pastebin...
[19:23] <HazRPG> kaddi: haha, me and you both
[19:23] <BUGabundo> email??
[19:23] <BUGabundo> who still uses email?
[19:23] <gbs-wes> Well, im on my iPhone now... So
[19:23]  * kaddi raises the hand
[19:24]  * gbs-wes does too.
[19:24] <BUGabundo> gbs-wes: $ pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/258216/
[19:24] <HazRPG> kaddi: heck, I've infected my test dummy rig (one without internet) just to see how to fix them n stuff like that
[19:24] <kaddi> HazRPG: there are some nice utilities which block autorun.infs from being written onto the stick
[19:24] <HazRPG> kaddi: I was tempting with fate when I put vundo on there though >_<
[19:24] <gbs-wes> Cool, thank you.
[19:25] <HazRPG> kaddi: that was a nightmare
[19:25] <BUGabundo> HazRPG: np
[19:25] <kaddi> HazRPG: me too. ;) I also do some malware removal at boards :)
[19:25] <BUGabundo> kaddi: HazRPG !ot
[19:25]  * BUGabundo is starting to sound like ikonia :)
[19:26] <kaddi> i need to distract myself from my broken karmic :p I'm still hoping that the dist-upgrade will fix it :p
[19:26] <gbs-wes> It won't
[19:26] <HazRPG> lol, BUGabundo, its fun
[19:26] <kaddi> gbs-wes: thanks for being supportive XD
[19:27] <gbs-wes> :) your welcome!
[19:27] <kaddi> but now I have internet connection, so I can file bugreport :p
[19:27] <HazRPG> kaddi: I keep reading up many different types of malware/viruses/etc every now and then so that I know what to watch out for when others have problems, and whether it's easy to fix or not
[19:28] <HazRPG> kaddi: if I recall my ex got infected with virut, if you've heard of it and HTML/Framer, those were mean mean mofos
[19:28] <kaddi> HazRPG: lets take it to #kubuntu-offtopic, before BUGabundo really gets mad
[19:28] <kaddi> HazRPG: nothing you can do with virut :(
[19:28]  * kaddi is scared of BUGabundo  ;)
[19:28] <kaddi> j/k
[19:28] <stapel> how do I run Karmic full screen as VB guest and Jaunty as host?
[19:28] <gbs-wes> Has the newer versions of KDE made good changes since 4.0
[19:28] <gbs-wes> 4.0 was excruciating to me
[19:28] <kaddi> oh, yes
[19:29] <bjsnider> gbs-wes, is the nvidia module built?
[19:29] <BUGabundo> kaddi: BUU
[19:29] <kaddi> 4.2 is already pretty fine.. 4.3 has a lot of nice additions, but I hvaven't had the time to test it all out
[19:29]  * kaddi hides behind HazRPG
[19:29] <gbs-wes> Bjsnider, yes... Black screen if selected to use.
[19:29]  * HazRPG prefers gnome
[19:30] <gbs-wes> Kde just isn't intuitve at all to me.
[19:30] <bjsnider> does dkms say it's instaleld in your kernel?
[19:30] <HazRPG> gbs-wes: don't get me wrong, I think KDE is kinda cool in some places - but I prefer the general feel of Gnome
[19:31]  * kaddi is rebooting
[19:31] <HazRPG> its just a shame that the two don't unite the awesome feats. of both into one
[19:31] <HazRPG> kaddi: catch ya on the flip side
[19:32] <kaddi> lol, even the crash-handler is crashing
[19:33] <kaddi> something is srsly broken
[19:34] <stapel> how do I run Karmic full screen as VB guest and Jaunty as host?
[19:40] <kaddi> kbuildsycoca4 is crashing and I'm trying to report that through ubuntu-bug... should I use any parameter or just ubuntu-bug?
[19:41] <kaddi> can I just reference a drkonqui document?
[19:55] <kaddi> Hi, after upgrading everything crashes at kdmgreet, this is the error message (before drkonqui crashes as well): http://pastebin.com/f624fc662
[19:59] <DPic> anybody know why an update broke my grahhics a couple days ago?
[19:59] <DPic> gdm can't start
[20:00] <mnemo> DPic: what does "lspci -nn | g VGA" say on the broken machine?
[20:00] <mnemo> and also, is it kubuntu or ubuntu?
[20:00] <Machtin> might want to try kdm - just to check
[20:00] <kaddi> after it crashes, I can switch to tty and when I restart x with startx it starts loading, then crashes again with kbuildsycoca4 segfaulting
[20:00] <DPic> mnemo, it's ubuntu
[20:00] <kaddi> kdm is segfaulting for me right now :/
[20:01] <mnemo> DPic: run "lspci -nn | grep VGA" then
[20:01] <DPic> iok hold on i have to run upstais
[20:01] <Machtin> might it be that cryptsetup brakes my encrypted /home?
[20:02] <Machtin> because it broke in a way the header was totally borked.. (i checked xxd /dev/sdb2 | head - looks like random data)
[20:03] <Machtin> after i reinstalled it, it worked again.. but some days (and several boots later) it was broken again - already changed the harddisk.. but the problem reappeared
[20:04] <kaddi> where are the debug symbols for karmic stored?
[20:05] <mnemo> kaddi: for kernel debug symbols --> http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux/
[20:06] <kaddi> mnemo: as it is kbuildsycoca and kdmgreet and kdeinit that are crashing I think I'm looking for kde-symbols? Or would I neet kernel debug symbols as well?
[20:07] <DPic> mnemo, i have an nvidia 8800gts
[20:07] <mnemo> kaddi: debug symbols for normal packages are available in ddebs repo (add it to sources.list as explained here --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash )
[20:07] <legodude> ugh, something is very wrong with this file copying jazz
[20:07] <mnemo> kaddi: if you want debug symbols for package "blah" you need to install "blah-dbgsym"
[20:07] <kaddi> mnemo: yeah I'm still trying to figure out which package I need thanks though :)
[20:08] <bjsnider> DPic, there was a change in the nvidia packaging which has caused some difficulties
[20:08] <DPic> bjsnider, so will i just have to wait for an update?
[20:09] <DPic> bjsnider, is there a bug report i can follow?
[20:09] <bjsnider> i don't think there is even a bug on it yet
[20:10] <mnemo> DPic: the bug that broke your machine probably came with this update --> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-August/006911.html
[20:10] <mnemo> kaddi: if you have filename from your HDD and wants to know from what package it came, use "dpkg -S filename.ext"
[20:11] <mnemo> kaddi: so if you want debug symbols for "/usr/lib/libkdecore.so.5" you just type "dpkg -S /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.5" and then install PACK-dbgsym where PACK is the thing printed by "dpkg -S"
[20:12] <kaddi> mnemo: this might be me being stupid but i get a 404 for the ddebs for karmic
[20:12] <DPic> mnemo, do i wait for an update or is there some fix?
[20:13] <mnemo> kaddi: karmic-updates probably doesnt exist yet, but karmic-main exists and there should be ddebs for it... just follow instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[20:14] <mnemo> kaddi: basically you need to add the line "deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com karmic main restricted universe multiverse" to /etc/apt/sources.list and then run "sudo apt-get update"
[20:14] <kaddi> mnemo: is that what you did? because I did that and the all are 404
[20:14] <kaddi> *they
[20:14] <mnemo> kaddi: yea I use karmic -dbgsym packages all the time
[20:15] <mnemo> DPic: not sure... i dont know nvidia packages that well... try asking alberto.milone@canonical.com  ... he knows about nvidia drivers I think
[20:15] <kaddi> mnemo could you take a look: http://pastebin.com/f22bd199e I don't see what's wrong. Maybe you will
[20:16] <kaddi> mnemo: ok, it's fine, the ones from main actually got fetched.. it is the others, that throw the 404
[20:16] <mnemo> kaddi: you added all four lines (the last three only works for "stable" versions of ubuntu)...
[20:17] <mnemo> yea once karmic is stable they will create "updates" etc for it as well
[20:17] <kaddi> yeah, I just realised.. :/
[20:21] <DPic> mnemo, bjsnider, for some reason the update simply removed my drivers
[20:21] <DPic> just instaleld them and all is well
[20:21] <DPic> thanks for the help
[20:22] <bjsnider> well 180 became a transitional package
[20:23] <dodecanese> i'll sitting here until my wife calms down
[20:23] <dodecanese> it's all my fault
[20:23] <dodecanese> She asked: Whats on the TV
[20:23] <dodecanese> and I answered: Dust
[20:32] <kaddi> mnemo: could you help me find the packages I need? it just says no debugging symbols found the first 5 lines. the segfault is apparently in kbuildsycoca4 (kdeinit4)
[20:33] <mnemo> kaddi: paste the stacktrace with missing symbols then...
[20:40] <kaddi> mnemo: this is the crash report I get: http://pastebin.com/f21df9d20
[20:40] <DefTone> is there a way i can hack my neighbors wireless? she's on vacation and i asked her to borrow it but she doesn't know the password by heart
[20:40] <dotblank> um
[20:40] <dotblank> dude
[20:40] <dotblank> !ot
[20:40] <mnemo> kaddi: then run "dpkg -S /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.5" ... what does that print?
[20:42] <kaddi> it seems drkonqui eliminates the "no debugging info" from the report. Because it starts with #5 instead of #1? Or is that not relevant?
[20:42] <kaddi> dpkg -S says kdelibs5, I'm installing them now
[20:43] <mnemo> right and then now you're installing kdelibs5-dbgsym ??
[20:43] <kaddi> yes
[20:43] <mnemo> great
[20:43] <kaddi> are you being sarcastic?
[20:43] <mnemo> no :)
[20:43] <kaddi> ok, lol
[20:44] <mnemo> one more quirk is that you have to restart gdb to make it actually find the newly installed symbols
[20:45] <penguin42> are these separate symbol files or are they libraries just built with -g and not stripped?
[20:47] <kaddi> i usually just wait till everything crashes and the bugreport appears.. :p
[20:49] <kaddi> ok, now it looks like this: http://pastebinit.com/f47edf162
[20:49] <mnemo> kaddi: if you submit a partial stacktrace using apport, the launchpad retracer will post a full stacktrace automatically after a few hours
[20:49] <mnemo> penguin42: you can use "dpkg -L libglib2.0-0-dbg" to see what it installs... the symbols end up in "/usr/lib/debug/path/to/real/binary" and if you do "file blah" on it, you'll see it's a full binary (non stripped) but I dont think they will execute those still..
[20:49] <kaddi> which has all symbols included, but steps 1-5 are still missing
[20:49] <penguin42> mnemo: Does apptrace include a core and that's what the retracer uses?
[20:49] <penguin42> ^trace^apport
[20:50] <mnemo> penguin42: yes and the bug is "kept" private while the core is attached and the core is attached when the retracer is done (at least thats how I think it works, martin pitt would know more)
[20:50] <mnemo> penguin42: if you want to execute a non-optimized binary with full symbols, you'd need to "apt-get source" the code and then run something like "LDFLAGS=-rdynamic MAKEFLAGS=-j6 DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip noopt parallel=5" CFLAGS="-g3 -O0" debuild -us -uc" etc..
[20:52] <penguin42> mnemo: Useful  - I should get to know DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS more; so I guess the noopt should do the same as -O0? and the parallel=5 sounds similar to the MAKEFLAGS=-j6 give or take 1 :-)
[20:53] <mnemo> penguin42: yea its the same.. I just have an alias that does both ways because not all packages implement all DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS correctly
[20:53] <mnemo> so sometimes you pass "noopt" but the makefile is too dumb
[20:53] <penguin42> mnemo: Got you
[20:57] <burner> so even booting an old kernel doesn't bring back my sound and it shows no output devices.  flash videos play and act like there should be sound, but I guess it's going to a null output... http://burner.ath.cx/Screenshot.png
[20:57] <penguin42> burner: Is your problem just flash or anything else?
[20:57] <burner> everyone
[20:57] <penguin42> flash can be a law unto itself
[20:57] <burner> er... everything
[20:57] <burner> rhythmbox doesn't give me anything either...
[20:58] <burner> somehow it's a null output and I assume the problem is pulse?
[20:58] <penguin42> burner: OK, fair enough - I just know that I have some ordering issues; e.g. if I'm using pulse (rhtyhmbox playing) and I start flash I get no flash sound.  If I start rhythmbox while flash playing then I don't get anything from rhythmbox - but if nothings working for you I guess it's different
[20:58] <burner> I just upgraded to karmic from jaunty and now I have the notification area icon instead of an applet
[20:58] <penguin42> burner: If you run paman it has a nice gui which tells you default sink/source and modules and stuff
[20:59] <burner> paman not installed
[20:59] <penguin42> or use pactl stat from the command line
[21:00] <burner> paman is an apt get away so i'm on it
[21:00] <burner> hopefully it gives me some cluse
[21:00] <burner> clues even
[21:01] <bjsnider> clooze
[21:01] <burner> http://burner.ath.cx/Screenshot2.png
[21:02] <penguin42> hmm does seem rather ill doesn't it
[21:03] <burner> yeah, snd_hda_intel seems to be loaded ok and I'm kind of out of ideas
[21:04] <penguin42> burner: You could try looking at /var/log/user.log
[21:04] <penguin42> burner: Also, see if /dev/dsp/* actually exists
[21:06] <kaddi> blueskaj-laptop: I got the same message about kdebase-workspace-data depending on 4:4.3.0-0ubuntu13
[21:06] <kaddi> sadly some more things went wrong.. kde is completely dead right now :/
[21:06] <burner> /dev/dsp is a file, not a directory... is that weird?
[21:06] <kaddi> no
[21:06] <penguin42> burner: Sorry, I meant /dev/snd/*
[21:07] <burner> yikes... loads of stuff in the user.log relating to my audio device
[21:07] <penguin42> yeh it can be a bit chatty
[21:08] <burner> http://paste.ubuntu.com/258256/
[21:09] <blueskaj-laptop> kaddi , there's afix on launchpad, but it didn't work so I removed the 12 version, then reupdated with aptitude then safe-upgrade with aptitude ..i stayed away from apt as much as possible due to the dependency probs
[21:09] <penguin42> burner: The fact it says it's busy makes me feel something else is using it - do lsof /dev/snd/*
[21:10] <burner> pulseaudi 3060 burner   24u   CHR  116,6      0t0 4049 /dev/snd/controlC0
[21:10] <burner> that's it
[21:10] <penguin42> boring
[21:11] <penguin42> burner: try pactl exit     and try playing something in rhythmbox and see if paman changes?
[21:12] <burner> could it be a permissions thing?  I notice the only user in the "audio" group was pulse
[21:12] <burner> and the group "pulse" has no members
[21:13] <penguin42> burner: Don't think so; I'm not a member of pulse
[21:13] <blueskaj-laptop> kaddi , odd that i haven't seen that prob withkdebase-workspace-data on this lappy
[21:13] <bjsnider> i think dtchen said that's no longer necessary
[21:15] <kaddi> blueskaj-laptop: I'm honestly considering to remove and reinstall kde completely
[21:16] <blueskaj-laptop> kaddi not necessary, habg on i'll find the procedure to fix it
[21:16] <blueskaj-laptop> hang on
[21:17] <kaddi> blueskaj-laptop: i think there is much more broken then just kdease-workspace-data... I just wasn't thinking and did and apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade and applied the updates from the last 7 days... god only knows what happesn :p
[21:18] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: hi... regarding the gnome-panel bug which you just marked as incomplete ,i didnt understand your question... i'm not doing anything different , just a regular session start with auto login.
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - wierd. i can't recreate it
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> it looks like there's no session bus
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> what is the output of "env | grep DBUS"?
[21:19] <mac_v> i'v been also having a a couple os other related errors
[21:19] <blueskaj-laptop> kaddi, http://www.mail-archive.com/karmic-changes@lists.ubuntu.com/msg06582.html
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - if there is no session bus, all sorts of wierd things will happen
[21:19] <mac_v> DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-dYti6x2f5H,guid=881bad695f43b182262e34904a91a30c
[21:19] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: ^
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> auto login? does it work with an ordinary login?
[21:20] <mac_v> hmm... it used to work well with auto login , with regular
[21:21] <mac_v> be back in a min :)
[21:21] <blueskaj-laptop> !cloak
[21:21] <BUGabundo> blueskaj-laptop: ?
[21:23] <kaddi> am I the only having trouble to connect to archive.ubuntu.com?
[21:23] <blueskaj-laptop> BUGabundo, gonna cloak my nick on the laptop
[21:24] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:24] <blueskaj-laptop> BUGabundo, doubt if there any freenode staffers around to turn it on tho
[21:25] <blueskaj-laptop> unless kubuntu members like you can
[21:26] <BUGabundo> eh
[21:26] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: same error for regular login too :(
[21:27] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - what is the output of "ck-list-sessions"?
[21:28] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: you want the full output?[pastebin] or something specific?
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> please:)
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> pastebin is fine
[21:29] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/258263/
[21:30] <chrisccoulson> that looks ok too (although I don't know why you don't have a login-session-id - thats probably not related though)
[21:31] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - what happens if you run (in a terminal):
[21:31] <chrisccoulson> dbus-send --session --dest='org.gnome.SessionManager' --print-reply --type=method_call /org/gnome/SessionManager org.gnome.SessionManager.CanShutdown
[21:32] <mac_v> method return sender=:1.3 -> dest=:1.105 reply_serial=2
[21:32] <mac_v>    boolean true
[21:32] <chrisccoulson> that's working ok then
[21:33] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm
[21:33] <chrisccoulson> do you know how to start a failsafe xterm with the new GDM?
[21:33] <mac_v> i get the same error for gpm too ! i have a bucnh of errors gpm erros
[21:33] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: no , but i could give it a shot ,
[21:34] <mac_v> how may i ask?
[21:34] <kaddi> when I try to use aptitude or apt-get I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/d73bb9880 is that fixable? I can't connect to the reps anymore
[21:34] <chrisccoulson> i think once you have clicked your username in the chooser, there should be an option on the bottom panel to start a failsafe xterm
[21:34] <chrisccoulson> if you can do this, and then from the terminal that is started, can you start your gnome session like:
[21:35] <chrisccoulson> "gnome-session --debug 2>&1 | tee gnome-session-debug.log"
[21:35] <chrisccoulson> and attach the log file to the bug report?
[21:36] <mac_v> ok.
[21:36] <chrisccoulson> it might have something interesting in it. Also, your ~/.xsession-errors would be useful too
[21:37] <mac_v> i'm having a huge xsession-error which crashes gedit! apart from the gedit crash!
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> heh, that's not good. there shouldn't normally be a lot in there ;)
[21:38] <BUGabundo> what's the best app for removing dupes on a 1TiB disk? fdupes is to slow
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> there is something very broken on your setup;)
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo - i don't know, i don't have a disk that big ;)
[21:39] <BUGabundo> make it as big as you want
[21:39] <BUGabundo> I just have a lot of files
[21:39] <BUGabundo> its a merge of for smaller disks
[21:40] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo - i'm not sure of any other utility quicker than fdupes really
[21:40] <chrisccoulson> whatever utility you find will still have to do the same level of work to find the duplicates probably ;)
[21:41] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: "quick" as in easy way to mark a full dir!
[21:41] <BUGabundo> sure it's the faster finding the dupes
[21:41] <BUGabundo> but one of the slower to marks HUGE sets
[21:44] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: back...
[21:44] <mac_v> chrisccoulson:  how do i end this log? i have crtl+c as a shortcut for copy :(
[21:44] <chrisccoulson> it's logging to a text file isn't it?
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> if you do CTRL+C in the terminal, your session will die quite quickly ;)
[21:45] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, uh, it is just as fast as your disk allows it to, considering that it needs to seek the entire directory, if you have a lot of duplicates it will take much longer because it will need to do byte by byte compare
[21:45] <mac_v> yeah, so i let it run for
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - you should just be able to attach the text file to the bug report as it is currently.
[21:45] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: hehe , i just got kicked out for that , i just closed the terminal and got kicked out ;p
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> lol, yeah, that's what happens when gnome-session disappears;)
[21:48] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: ok i'll attach the log , the gpm errors are also due to this i believe , Bug #416440 , which is the right package for this?
[21:48] <mac_v> i mean for all these cumulative errors
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - i'm not sure about the right package yet. I'd just leave them where they are for the time being
[21:49] <mac_v> hmm.. ok
[21:49] <mac_v> i'll get back to regular session
[22:36] <BUGabundo> "Set 168 of 15057, preserve files [1 - 2, all] (62230 bytes each)"
[22:36] <BUGabundo> there must be a faster way :(
[22:37] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - just looking at your gnome-session log
[22:37] <chrisccoulson> looks like a devkit-power issue
[22:38] <chrisccoulson> that would explain the issues with the panel and gnome-power-manager timing out
[22:38] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: :( , i attached the log to the gpm bug too , but what does devkit-power have to do with gnome-session not starting ?
[22:39] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - gnome-session is starting ok. it's just that gnome-panel queries the session manager if shutdown is available
[22:39] <chrisccoulson> and the session manager then just asks devicekit-power
[22:40] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: i observe a delay also when i select update-manager , that is also due to devkit?
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> if there is an issue with devicekit-power, then the dbus calls will not return until they timeout (unless they are asynchronous calls)
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - i'm not sure about u-m - but it could be relalted
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> s/relalted/related
[22:41] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: IIRC , i think um checks for power status before doing updates
[22:41] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - so it's likely all the same issue then
[22:41] <mac_v> so shall i assign the bug to devkit too?
[22:42] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - yes please (devicekit-power)
[22:42] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: thanx , :)
[22:42] <chrisccoulson> you're welcome
[22:54] <bucky> !test
[23:03] <carl0s-> Are bad suspend/resumes a known issue? The situation is that, often, when the system resumes, X is non-responsive to keyboard and mouse. X is still alive, because I see the "Auto eth0 is now connected" pop up in the top right of the screen. But kbd/mouse don't awaken from black screen properly.
[23:07] <BUGabundo> carl0s-: suspend probs are *very* hardware spcific
[23:08] <carl0s-> BUGabundo, I know, but it's a weird one. As though the X screensaver isn't being re-initiated properly or something. The screen is alive. I have to ctrl-alt-f1 and kill X. Wish CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE still worked (yes I tried dontzap false.. no good) :(
[23:09] <BUGabundo> yeah no dontzap
[23:09] <BUGabundo> but you can enalbe it on the keyb settings now
[23:09] <carl0s-> BUGabundo, basically there's no mouse/kbd input when it resumes, most of the time. it's strange. surely something to do with switch from hal or dbus or whatever to the new thing, whatever that is.. ;)
[23:10] <BUGabundo> file a bug :)
[23:10] <BUGabundo> $ ubuntu-bug linux
[23:10] <carl0s-> BUGabundo, I'll try that. option dontzap false seems to be ignored. It's picked up in X startup (shows (**) Option DontZap false), but ctrl-alt-bs still doesn't nothing.
[23:10] <carl0s-> BUGabundo, I'm there.. searching for existing ones at the moment.
[23:10] <BUGabundo> AFAIK doest work on karmic
[23:11] <BUGabundo> carl0s-: I think kernel team rather wants a NEW bug other then you subing to one
[23:11] <mac_v> carl0s-: you can assign it to keyboard shortcuts
[23:11] <BUGabundo> they can dupe it if it is a dup
[23:11] <BUGabundo> ola iPoRn
[23:11] <iPoRn> oia BUGabundo
[23:12] <carl0s-> ok cool. i'll file then :) It's a real pain having to switch to tty1, then ps|grep X, then sudo -s kill pid. for some reason sudo killall -9 /usr/bin/X doesn't work.. I guess I'm too much of a newb.
[23:12] <carl0s-> proper way to kill X from tty1, if I don't get zap working?
[23:12] <mac_v> BUGabundo: hi , do you know where hotkeys are stored in the user config? my hotkeys randomly stop working i clear my config and ti works again!
[23:12] <mac_v> it*
[23:13] <BUGabundo> mac_v: no
[23:13] <BUGabundo> but I guess it's a bug on the new udev thingy
[23:13] <carl0s-> Oh, also recently I lost my customised gdm login screen, and now when I go to Administration -> Login Screen, I get a crappy gdmsetup with next to no options. Has a package been removed that I used to have?
[23:14] <mac_v> BUGabundo: well i typed such a long question and the initial short ans "no" was dissapointing ;p
[23:14] <BUGabundo> you got a gdmsetup?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> is it back in again?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> yay
[23:14] <carl0s-> d'oh. "Sorry, the program "gnome-keybinding-properties" closed unexpectedly ;)
[23:14] <BUGabundo> does auto login work now ?
[23:14] <carl0s-> BUGabundo, dunno. I want the fancy login screen setup again where I can set a theme!
[23:14]  * BUGabundo looks
[23:14] <mac_v> BUGabundo: dont get too happy , its just a small config
[23:15] <mac_v> BUGabundo: auto login always worked :)
[23:15] <BUGabundo> doh
[23:15] <BUGabundo> gksu appeared BELLOW gdmsetup
[23:15] <BUGabundo> stupud
[23:15] <BUGabundo> mac_v: not for me
[23:15] <BUGabundo> not even messign with gdm.conf
[23:15] <carl0s-> So what was the fancy Login Screen config app that was coming up before?
[23:16] <mac_v> BUGabundo: weird i could set it up in gdm.conf, but i guess the gdm config tool solves that :) ,
[23:17] <carl0s-> Oh, and did I mention KVM networking is broken? It's driving me 'round the bend!! I have an XP Pro vm that I rdesktop into. Basically after logging into it once or so, I'm not able to get in again :(
[23:17] <carl0s-> I'm not moaning BTW. It's karmic is looking super so far.
[23:17] <mac_v> BUGabundo: havent you updated in a long time? the config tool was available since nearly a week
[23:17] <mac_v> ago
[23:19] <carl0s-> hmm, according to synaptic, I should be able to use gdmsetup to select themes, but thats definitely not the case anymore. gdmsetup seems to have shrunk into simply "auto login." "don't autologin" ;(
[23:19] <BUGabundo> mac_v: I do updates daily
[23:20] <BUGabundo> but I dong GUESS
[23:20] <BUGabundo> I read somehting in the bug. but didn't test
[23:21] <carl0s-> gotta reboot, fresh updates again. yay :)
[23:21] <carl0s-> ciao
[23:21] <mac_v> carl0s-: i guess they havent updated the documentation yet > the upstream had removed the config tool for gdm nearly a year ago , and ubuntu kept postponing the update , the present config tool is a Ubuntu initiative > Bug #395299
[23:22] <mac_v> aaaaaaahhh ! just missed him :(
[23:23] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:23] <BUGabundo> he will be back
[23:23] <BUGabundo> with the amout of probs he has
[23:23] <BUGabundo> he can fill more bugs then me :)
[23:24] <mac_v> lol
[23:37] <ahz> Software I wrote is in the Ubuntu 9.10 repo now.  On which date will its version be frozen?
[23:39] <danbhfive> ahz: 9.10 is already under feature freeze.  AFAIK, the version is already frozen.  It won't be updated unless requests for bug fixes are made
[23:40] <BUGabundo> alredy?
[23:40] <BUGabundo> did I miss the schedule
[23:40] <BUGabundo> damn.. I'm totally lost this cycle
[23:40] <BUGabundo> too much work :(
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> feature freeze is not until thursday
[23:41] <danbhfive> oh, oops, my bad  : )
[23:42] <danbhfive> o yeah, I was thinking of debian import freeze, anyway, ahz: what they said
[23:43] <BUGabundo> !schedule
[23:43] <ahz> So what I want is called "feature freeze" which is August 27, right?
[23:45] <danbhfive> ahz: in theory?  you may actually have to ask the packager directly
[23:46] <Twigaathy> I hate how #ubuntu is too busy to get any support c_c
[23:46] <Twigaathy> It's almost as though there needs to be several #ubuntu instances with helpers in, and people going join'd to a random one
[23:47] <andresmujica> bug #392799
[23:48] <Twigaathy> hah, nice...
[23:48] <ahz> thanks all, I will ask the packager
[23:48] <andresmujica> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2009-August/003473.html
[23:52] <BUGabundo> andresmujica: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
[23:56] <bjsnider> imagine if ubuntu was really popular with the general population
[23:56] <Pici> !ot
[23:56] <bjsnider> the irc channel might have 10 times that number of people in it