[00:04] Im liking these daily updates [00:05] always gives a more interesting day [00:06] usr/bin/dpkg retuned anerror code (1) [00:06] dodecanese: What did it do before that? [00:06] have your mobile broadbands stopped working in the last few weeks? [00:06] i tried to install kde === janne is now known as Skiessi [00:07] sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [00:07] then i restarted [00:08] i hate this dependency hell [00:10] how can i get rid of this problem? [00:11] apt-get will install all dependencies; that's not your problem - you would need to paste your full dpkg error to a pastebin somewhere [00:14] dodecanese: have you tried aptitude? [00:15] its MUCH better [00:16] i have no clue how it works [00:16] im logged in via putty [00:17] dodecanese: open a terminal and type [00:17] aptitude update [00:17] and then when it finishes, type [00:17] aptitude safe-update [00:17] after that install kde [00:17] aptitude install kubuntu-desktop [00:18] or you can simply use tasksel [00:18] BUGabundo: What does the safe- bit do? [00:18] penguin42: errr means its *safe* LOL [00:18] oh, that's OK then [00:19] penguin42: its replacing the plain *upgrade* [00:20] where it would not downgrade the bad depencies [00:20] * penguin42 guesses it gives you a nice warm feeling it's safe [00:21] BUGabundo: On a different note; I don't think I got any follow up on that firefox upgrade script bug info I added [00:21] :\ [00:22] * penguin42 hopes it gets fixed in the next couple of months otherwise it's going to get messy on release day [00:22] ok i try that and hope [00:24] i tried to startx [00:24] failed to load module "nvidia does not exist" [00:26] nvidia-glx-185 is currently broken for many mobile devices. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/408561 [00:26] Launchpad bug 408561 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "New stable release - 185.18.36 - should replace 185.18.31 ASAP" [Undecided,Confirmed] [00:28] ok and how can i downgrade the driver? [00:28] it's broken for the quadro m chips [00:28] its a gtx8800 [00:28] the others should work [00:29] dodecanese, what does dkms status tell you? [00:30] dkms? [00:30] run the command dkms status [00:31] nvidia, 185.18.31 2.6.31-6-generic, x86_64 installed [00:31] well, you should not be getting a message that says nvidia module does not exist [00:31] strange [00:32] i want back to 180 drivers [00:32] try sudo modprobe nvidia [00:32] i try to start x [00:33] failed to load module nvidia does not exist [00:33] try uname -r [00:34] generic 2.6.3-1 [00:34] no, that's not what it says [00:34] 2.6.31.6-generic [00:34] 2.6.31-6-generic [00:35] i never touched the kernel [00:35] Hello again [00:35] Still have the same problem as before. [00:35] i try to install the older stuff [00:36] cyberkilla, i'm sure your issue is strictly packaging, not the driver itself [00:36] i'd try removing all x-server related stuff and all nvidia stuff [00:37] hmm, I'm not sure how to do that. [00:37] then reinstall ubuntu-desktop and the nvidia-glx-185 package [00:37] just go through synaptic and search [00:38] they've obviously decided to jump to 185 and transition everyone off the 180 stuff, and it hasn't gone smoothly [00:38] I wish they'd given a warning of some sort [00:39] i have no synaptic [00:39] i cannot startX [00:39] I know it's an Alpha, but honestly, it was pretty crude [00:39] How of the packages didn't even load [00:39] *half [00:39] I will attempt to follow your suggestions. [00:40] But this is starting to sound risky:) I hate configuring X. I remember back to the days of Fedora Core 1 [00:41] cyberkilla: Well with a dev process you never quite know waht will break [00:42] I know. I'm don't mean to blame anyone. These things happen - usually it's my fault, but this time I don't think I'm guilty:) [00:43] * penguin42 wonders if there is a graph anywhere of the number of people running the alphas - graphing the updates would be interesting [00:44] In truth, I brave the alpha because I know its kernel finally has support for my laptop's hotkeys. [00:44] But I usually end up installing them out of curiousity anyway. [00:44] This is the first Alpha build I have tested. I usually wait until the betas. [00:45] I have been running with the 190.x driver for an hour now. [00:46] I haven't moved any windows around, and tried not to open too much stuff. So far, I haven't rebooted. [00:46] But there are still artefacts when I cause too much repainting. [00:48] Recovered GPU Errors: 1 [00:49] Which is interesting, as I noticed a fullscreen flicker then everything loaded again. [00:49] I've seen it as high as 14 today [00:50] I'm going to try to load FireFox [00:51] odd [00:51] It loaded maximised, but no reboot occured [00:51] crap i cant reinstall that [00:51] Core temperature of graphics card: 73 C [00:52] i get mad [00:52] toasty [00:52] for idle, yes, it looks hot to me [00:52] CPU is at 55C [00:52] hard drive is at ~35 [00:52] It has been on all day though. It usually is [00:53] I suppose it's adequate for a laptop [00:53] Until this issue, only two things bothered me about ubuntu... [00:55] #1. My harddrive is one of those affected by the APM issue. It would load cycle itself to death. Interestingly, the setting is the same as in Vista, but vista doesn't upset it as much. I suspect that the filesystem caused the issue, with it's constant writes to the hard disk. [00:55] Now, instead of it being APM 128, it is APM 254, so it's running as fast as it pleases, with almost no energy saving. [00:56] Oh yeah, and Vista never lets the drive sleeeeep, actually. [00:56] My solution is to manually set it to 192, which is a value I found in the specs [00:56] Something always pokes the drive. [00:56] No, mine sleeps [00:56] Which is surprising, I know [00:56] It gets to park it's head for a minute or two [00:56] I've never, ever, ever had a Windows system let the boot drive sleep. [00:56] In Ubuntu, it can't go 15 seconds [00:56] I disabled several services though [00:56] I've tweaked my stuff with laptop-mode-tools... set commit time to 5 minutes. [00:57] I am scared to do that tbh. [00:57] * penguin42 seems to remember there was someone noticing firefox did a lot of syncs that might make that worse [00:57] Yes, I heard that too [00:57] Oh, and #2... [00:58] i had to delete xorg.conf to start x [00:58] damnid dillweed driver [00:58] My sound card is a pain. The headphones in karmic work, but only if I specifically set the audio output device to "headphones", which is quite amusing:) [00:58] And, the volume curve isn't so good. [00:58] The first 40% of the volume slider might as well not be there. [00:59] Only the last 60% is of any use, in terms of an audible volume [00:59] I don't mind so much though. Sony is very naughty with its hardware. [00:59] It has taken 3 years for someone to figure out the ACPI issues with this particular range of laptops. [01:00] dodecanese, what's your problem? Is it similar to my own? [01:00] cyberkilla: It seems a lot of ACPI implementations in laptops really really really suck [01:00] i installed this dillweed driver crap 185, and couldnt start any X screen [01:00] i use a gtx8800 not a mobile [01:01] * penguin42 was reading about one today where something only showed up in the ACPI tables if the OS was Vista [01:02] I read that a while ago! Several of them to it. If you identify as Linux in ACPI, it sends you a broken table [01:02] acpi tables are a gulasch soup [01:02] They claim it was an error, but it's all pretty questionable. [01:05] wasted 3 hours for this crap [01:06] next i never update a nvidia driver again [01:06] i need it only for folding@home [01:07] I've spent all day trying to return to the level of functionality I had when I switched my computer on this morning:P [01:09] im lucky its just a fileserver nothing productive [01:11] I wonder where the people who manage the nvidia drivers hang around. [01:11] those drivers sucks [01:11] There aren't many people in the ubuntu forums that actually respond to you, even if there are thousands online. [01:12] You'd think they'd be straight in, making sure everyone knows the situation [01:12] maybean, but always remember its a alpha release [01:12] such things are supposed to happen [01:12] Since nobody has complained of the same issues I have, it seems like it's a separate issue. [01:13] But I don't see how it could be the case, since it started the moment I updated. [01:14] ok i try it again with the drviver [01:14] What would cause artifacts if I caused too much repainting of the screen, but operated relatively normally if I tried not to do anything strenuous... [01:14] so i can play supertux over vnc [01:14] supertux rocks [01:47] DanaG, i think if you turn off the pagefile or put the pagefile on another drive, the boot drive will sleep [01:47] in windows [01:47] eh, I spend most of my time in Linux, anyways. [01:48] dodecanese, did you reboot after doing the updates? [02:01] lol 60gb harddrive [02:01] yes it works [02:01] i deleted xorg.conf and installed the driver again, rebooted [02:02] I think I'm seeing some regression in the partitioning of the alternate cd.. configure lvm, raid, and encryption are always displayed and when you go to edit one [02:02] every partition is listed as an option [02:02] but i still cannot install kubuntu-desktop, got a error like that [02:02] E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-bin_4%3a4.3.0-0ubuntu12_amd64.deb: Versuche, »/usr/share/kde4/apps/kcmsolidactions/solid-action-template.desktop« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket kdebase-workspace-data ist [02:02] a weird error [02:03] dodecanese: did you try aptitude?? [02:03] im now in gnome [02:03] synaptic [02:03] what does it say? LANG=C [02:03] dodecanese: USE THE DARN APTITUDE [02:04] i had the same error with aptitude [02:04] BUGabundo, you sounds incredulous, suh [02:05] dodecanese: then wait for the files to build [02:05] if by wendsday its still not fixed file a bug [02:05] ok [02:07] the fnord is everywhere [02:08] maybe its because i added a deb [02:08] http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu karmic main [02:12] gnight sokrates try to sleep [02:15] dammid i cannot activate desktop effects [02:15] then you aren't running the nvidia driver [02:16] i run the nvidia driver [02:20] dodecanese, run the command glxinfo [02:21] pastebin the result [02:27] ok im back [02:29] http://pastebin.com/m7e7801cc [02:29] i had to repair my coffe machine, damn spastic coffe beans [02:41] i listen some buckethead [03:20] anyone been able to get atheros wifi working in karmic? [03:26] has anyone noticed in the gnome system montier under prosesses when you try and change a process priority the gnome system monitor crash's [03:59] barrie_: yes [04:00] atheros 5000 [04:06] richardcavell: any way of getting it to work automatically? [04:07] also, does knetworkmanager work for anyone in karmic? [04:07] barrie_: it works for me automatically [04:07] Network Manager on GNOME is unreliable [04:08] really? I'm finding nm-applet works perfectly, but knetworkmanager doesn't connect to wireless at all, even though it recognises it [04:09] richardcavell: what's the driver package called? [04:10] barrie_: not sure [04:10] I'm installing stuff at the moment so I can't look it up [04:11] ok [04:23] barrie_, the ath5k driver is included in the kernel [04:23] there is a version that may or may not be better in the linux-backports-modules package [05:17] Hi, any ideas on what has caused my system to break this morning? [05:25] nobdy has reported Karmic breaking for them recently? [05:25] in what manner? [05:26] (it works fine locally) [05:27] When I try booting it doesn't start gdm [05:27] it drops me to a terminal [05:27] what are your graphics hardware and X driver version? [05:28] ah I got the new nvidia-glx-185 [05:28] that's probably the culprit [05:28] works ok for my hardware. was the driver correctly compiled by dkms and loaded? [05:29] I'm not sure, I just updated last night and this morning it's not working :-( [05:29] I'm on a LiveCD atm [05:31] well, that's where i'd start looking, e.g., see what dkms spits out during startup (you'll need to disable xsplash/usplash temporarily) [05:32] dtchen, is that boot stuff logged somewhere? [05:33] Hew: well, not in any pretty manner, but yes- /var/log/dkms_autoinstaller [05:33] ok thanks [05:34] Hew: dmesg is of course in /var/log/dmesg [05:36] * Hew has a Nexuiz tournament tonight he cannot miss! :o [05:36] brb [05:46] hmm, gnome-bluetooth doesn't make the distinction between my two different bluetooth adapters I now have connected. =þ [05:59] dtchen, I couldn't see any problems in /var/log/dkms_autoinstaller or /var/log/dmesg, although I did notice "modprobe vboxdrv failed" during startup [05:59] I also tried startx which failed [05:59] I will pastebin what I wrote down from that log [06:02] hmm, I wonder what actual advantages bluetooth 2.1 brings over 2.0. [06:03] dtchen, http://paste.ubuntu.com/257881/ [06:04] Hew: you need at virtualbox 3.0.4, probably [06:04] Hew: also, do you actually have the nvidia module and X driver? [06:05] e.g., see dpkg -l nvidia\*185\*|grep ^ii [06:05] dtchen: I don't see why I wouldn't, it was working fine yesterday, I did apt-get dist-upgrade and I don't remember seeing anything important being removed [06:06] Hew: yesterday a bunch of the 185 stuff went in [06:06] I will check again in a bit, it's an effort to keep switching between broken Karmic and LiveCD [06:06] yes, I saw that :) [06:06] -180 stuff got removed but I assume that was normal [06:07] i.e., you need at least nvidia-185-kernel-source, nvidia-185-libvdpau, nvidia-185-modaliases, nvidia-glx-185, nvidia-common [06:07] as for Virtualbox, I don't see why that would prevent me from booting, I hardly use that anyway [06:07] ok, I will double check those are installed [06:07] the necessary fix for 2.6.31-rc6 is only in the latest vbox [06:07] also, why don't you just chroot into your karmic install from the live cd? [06:09] I'm not sure how to do that.. [06:10] I'll give it a go === He1 is now known as Hew_ === Hew_ is now known as Hew === Hew_ is now known as Hew [07:00] ugh, stupid PA keeps starting with my audio devices muted. [07:02] random, off-topic: har, now THIS... is overly shiny: [07:02] http://www.wincustomize.com/zoom.aspx?skinid=6924&libid=1 [07:17] Without pulseaudio my sound recorder is having nightmares. I uninstalled pulseaudio because it was being annoying (sound issues), so I'm using alsa. It works ok, but I have no volume icon, for example. Thats not alsa's fault ofcourse. [07:18] As I need a microphone, I will have to install pulseaudio, and hope the sound recorder gets fixed. Haha. [09:08] hi, the current kernel introduce "debian" and "debian.master" directories, I want rebuild the last kernel but debuild fails (missing changelog), how can I build the packages? [09:08] Does anyone here get a sound when logging on to Ubuntu? [09:08] I don't get any sound when logging on [10:43] Hi, I am using ubutnu 9.10 up-to-date. I can't enable compiz. I have a laptop with nvidia 9300m and 185.xx drivers are loaded [10:45] anyone who tried : kubuntu-firefox-installer ? [10:46] rahman: try killall gdm first [10:47] and what is i915 kernel module for? I dont have mobile intel graphics but it is loaded [10:49] That's so that people who _do_ have intel cards get kernel mode setting. I'm not sure why it remains loaded even when the hardware isn't there, though. [10:51] should it be conflicting with nvidia driver? should it be the reason that compiz can't enabled? But glxgears runs smooth and glxinfo reports that nvidia is in use [10:53] rahman: its because compiz can't stop gdm as I told you [10:54] killall gdm: no gdm processes found [10:54] robin0800: ^ [10:54] heh [10:54] i got a bananic problem [10:55] my harddrive is dying from cancer, how can i copy the crap with dd? [10:55] dodecanese: shouldnt it be sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop [10:55] now compiz reload [10:55] yeah later [10:55] dodecanese: ddrescue/dd_rescue [10:56] the drive suffers from south korean flu [10:57] dodecanese: you mean swine flue [10:58] no [10:58] the flu was called samsungian pest before [10:59] now i try a northern analog disk drive [10:59] or should i call it eastern analog? [11:00] robin0800: no change. $ compiz.real --replace [11:00] compiz.real (core) - Error: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0" [11:00] compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0 [11:01] Disable metacity's compositor. [11:01] "gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager false" in a terminal will do it; you can also do it with gconf-editor. [11:04] RAOF: thanks man it worked [11:04] :) [11:04] RAOF: but I can only enable via console, appearance menu can't enable it still [11:33] Does anyone here get a sound when logging in? === ripps_ is now known as ripps [12:02] Okay. Does anyone not get a sound when logging in? [12:04] richardcavell: yeah i do get sound on login. make sure its not muted when i booted earlier sound was muted for some reason === shadesla1er is now known as shadeslayer [13:16] did the servers just take a hit or whut [13:16] my speed went from 20 KBps to 1 KBps [13:17] and now its in Bytes :o [13:18] <|ns|nR8> what server [13:19] |ns|nR8: the main server [13:21] anyone using xorg-edgers? [13:23] mac_v: ask in #ubuntu-x [13:23] mac_v: whats that? [13:23] mnemo: thanx [13:23] it's bleeding edge drivers for X.org, really unstable stuff for testing [13:23] shadeslayer: thats for graphics card [13:24] mac_v: like the nvidia beta drivers? [13:24] i'm using ATI [13:24] yeah but those Nvidia too [13:24] mac_v: i have a nvidia beta driver (190.x.x.x) [13:25] wth..im still getting speeds in b/s [13:34] How do I upgrade to karmic alpha? 'update-manager -d' obviously doesn't work in KDE [13:34] (in Kubuntu that is) [13:34] Lademord: you can use a upgrade/live CD [13:34] !upgrade [13:34] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading [13:34] Yeah, but I already have jaunty installed and don't want to burn another cd [13:35] Lademord: hold one sec [13:35] Damn, that UpgradeNotes wikipage is obsolete... [13:35] Lademord: update-notifier-kde -u. [13:36] in krunner [13:36] Lademord: also ubuntu+1 is the support channel for kubuntu 9.10 as well [13:36] Remind me again... how do I open Krunner? I thought it was Ctrl + Space but that's not working [13:37] Lademord: alt+F2 [13:37] thanks [13:37] Lademord: theres no . at the end [13:37] Lademord: update-notifier-kde -u [13:37] hmm... I get "No new upgrade available" [13:38] Ah, with -d it works [13:38] Thanks, I'll try upgrading now [13:38] Is there a list of known issues for Kubuntu somewhere? [13:38] (karmic alpha that is) [13:38] what was the file again to change to allow startx over ssh? [13:39] Lademord: see : kubuntu.org [13:39] will do, thank you [13:40] Lademord: theres a release note page there [13:40] mnemo: ubuntu-x is dead :( no-one seems to be around , do you use edgers ppa? [13:41] mac_v: not right now, no.. I've used it a lot before though [13:41] brb [13:41] mnemo: i just need to know how to set kernel parameter radeon.modeset=1 , in grub2? this is not something i have done [13:42] before [13:42] ah, dpkg-reconfigure helped [13:43] mac_v: i've never used grub2 (I upgraded my box to karmic so im still on grub1 I think) [13:43] mnemo: hmm... ok thanx anyway :) [13:45] mac_v: on weekday evenings (CET timezone) usually both bryce harrington and the guy that created xorg-edgers are hanging around in #ubuntu-x channel [13:47] mnemo: thanx for the info , i'll see if i cant get it right by today :) [13:47] i'll fool around a bit with grub2 by then ;p [13:54] hiyas all [13:56] hi [13:56] still not connecting to medibuntu for media updates [13:57] have they changed their repos address? [13:57] BluesKaj: Pick one of the addresses out of the dig and put that in your sources.list and see if that works? [14:00] penguin42, which dig /medibuntu address do you recommend [14:00] BluesKaj: have you tried out the kubuntu-firefox-installer? [14:01] all iget is some ips [14:01] shadeslayer, I used aptitude to install FF 3.5 [14:03] BluesKaj: does it integrate with KDE? [14:04] shadeslayer , what do you mean by integration ? [14:06] BluesKaj: does it look like it looks in gnome or does it use KDE's icon and theme etxc [14:06] *etc [14:06] oh yayy [14:06] 63 MB of upgrades [14:08] you have to edit manual settings for default in your email program if it's a pc hosted prog like thunderbird and default in system settings/default apps , and here in konversation ...dunno about gnome but it takes the themes used in other kde apps [14:10] shadeslayer, I'm not using FF atm, experimenting with chromium [14:10] ah [14:10] altho I have it installed [14:13] BluesKaj: Well what's the name of the medibuntu repository? [14:13] the repos are *sooo* slow today [14:13] penguin42, http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/karmic free and non free [14:14] BluesKaj: Replace the packages.medibuntu.org with the 88.191.79.39 === shadesla1er is now known as shadeslayer [14:19] penguin42, ip addys don't work in sources.list [14:19] can you ftp to that address? [14:19] ah [14:20] hmm - I wonder if the server needs the hostname in the request === LSD|Ninj1 is now known as LSD|Ninja [14:22] it 's a debian lighttpd server page , still being built [14:23] it might be set up to serve something more sane based on the hostname; well you could try the other IPs [14:24] (hostname based stuff does happen with http, but makes life harder to debug) [14:27] penguin42, the source.list URL has to be specific , one need sthe the exact name in oder to fetch updates from it , such as : "deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ karmic free non-free" [14:29] err sources.list [14:30] ok, add an entry to your /etc/hosts for packages.medibuntu.org for one of the ip's [14:33] penguin42, never heard of substituting edits in etc/hosts in place of /etc/apt/sources.list [14:34] BluesKaj: I'm just trying to get apt to force select one of the hosts - how would you do that? [14:34] penguin42, I'm thinking medibuntu karmic server/repos is just not being hosted right now [14:35] BluesKaj: Possible [14:37] I'm using NBR and see that there are dozens of maximus processes running. Is that normal? [14:38] penguin42, anyway , what's the difference between /etc/hosts and /etc/apt/ contacting the address , if it isn't accepting queries [14:39] BluesKaj: There are multiple servers that have the packages.medibuntu.org address - I was suggesting you use /etc/hosts to forcibly select one [14:41] penguin42, what would such an edit in /etc/hosts/ look like ? [14:42] BluesKaj: A line like 88.191.82.11 packages.medibuntu.org [14:45] penguin42, then how is it activated to look at that address ? [14:45] etc/hosts that is [14:45] BluesKaj: When apt does a name look up, the name switch code works through the definitions in /etc/nsswitch.conf and you should find the first entry on the line for host lookup is 'files' so it looks in /etc/hosts before anywhere else like dns [14:57] anyone here on the dev team of ubuntu 9.10? [14:58] mandrew, join #ubuntu-devel [14:58] thanks [14:59] haha sorry mandrew I should of thought of that before [14:59] but your on your way [15:00] ? :) [15:00] penguin42, i don't see an entry for "files" in the aptitude update [15:01] BluesKaj: It's not in aptitude - I never said it was? [15:01] ok so I have to use apt ? [15:01] BluesKaj: Use whatever you normally use - the only thing adding stuff to /etc/hosts is change the way network addresses are looked up - by all programs [15:02] mandrew: I sent you here just so you can be sent to the -devel channel. lol [15:02] ok :) [15:03] oops . penguin42 , I don't want it that bad ..I'll wait for a diff fix [15:04] Idle0ne do you know of anyone thats on the dev team? [15:06] !ask | mandrew [15:06] mandrew: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [15:06] nice touch but it dont help me ;) [15:07] well the only thing you are doing is asking for developers but you have not put a good notice of why you would _need_ a developer.... [15:08] well i think its better to talk to some one that can change things cuz i dont need help realy [15:10] right [15:11] mandrew: the only thing I am pointing to is that if you have a patch, bug etc then launchpad is there to help you with applying them to a product... [15:12] mandrew: if you are _wondering_ about something conserning Karmic you can go here and ask since there are ubuntu team members in here that can answer the questions you have [15:12] mandrew, why don't you just join the #ubuntu-devel chat and ask your question there .. i suspect you want personal attention like PM or something ...most chat members who are doing dev work don't have time for one on one help. [15:12] ok thanks [15:17] i dont realy need help with any problem i just wanted to make sure that they keep the 9.10 as it is cuz i now it just work out of the box on my netbook, ive spent last 2 month with probz on linux and to find a version that works [15:18] now it just works and im the happiest guy on earth [15:18] o.O [15:18] mandrew: Stuff will change over the next couple of months as things get fixed - but of course that might break thing; the important thing is to keep testing [15:18] and to file bugs if anything breaks :) [15:19] yep; as long as you do that regularly it's not too difficult to roll back to something that worked [15:19] is it possible to roll back? [15:20] mandrew: Individual packages normally yes, big changes are much more difficult [15:21]