[00:06] <bdrung_> stochastic: not yet. in four days is my motu application. :)
[00:06] <bdrung_> stochastic: which package?
[00:07] <stochastic> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xjadeo
[00:07] <stochastic> I'm hoping to get it in before feature freeze
[00:09] <bdrung_> stochastic: you could wrap the Build-Depends
[00:11] <bdrung_> stochastic: how about using debhelper v7? this would shorten your debian/rules file.
[00:11] <bdrung_> stochastic: you could use this format for debian/copyright: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/
[00:13] <bdrung_> stochastic: here are some issues from lintian:
[00:13] <bdrung_> xjadeo: executable-not-elf-or-script ./usr/share/qjadeo/locale/qjadeo_fr.qm
[00:13] <bdrung_> xjadeo: copyright-refers-to-symlink-license usr/share/common-licenses/GPL
[00:13] <bdrung_> xjadeo: spelling-error-in-binary ./usr/bin/qjadeo environement environment
[00:13] <bdrung_> X: xjadeo: spelling-error-in-binary ./usr/bin/xjadeo extention extension
[00:13] <bdrung_> X: xjadeo: spelling-error-in-binary ./usr/bin/xjadeo extention extension
[00:13] <bdrung_> X: xjadeo: spelling-error-in-binary ./usr/bin/xjadeo splitted split
[00:13] <bdrung_> P: xjadeo: no-homepage-field
[00:26] <stochastic> bdrung_, hmm, issue #1 seems trivial at best, #2 I was told to use lower compat values to help backporting #3 is this necessary? I just reworked the copyright file other than the last
[00:27] <stochastic> lintian error I just fixed, but the others I have no idea how to fix
[02:50] <binarymutant> will pidgin 2.5.9 get synced before karmic's release?
[07:35] <highvoltage> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rg3uNrI8tE
[08:25] <stochastic> would any kind motu with a free minute be willing to look over http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xjadeo
[10:00] <lfaraone> Hey, would a
[10:01] <lfaraone> new upstream version be accepted after FF if it was solely a bug fix release?
[10:01] <geser> yes
[10:01] <iulian> Yes.
[10:03] <lfaraone> Cool, thanks.
[10:04] <iulian> lfaraone: You might want to take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess.
[10:06] <lfaraone> iulian: so I'd still need a FFE?
[10:10] <wgrant> lfaraone: It varies.
[10:10] <wgrant> In the last two releases, IIRC, bugfix releases were exempt.
[10:10] <wgrant> Before that they needed FFEs.
[10:11] <wgrant> I'm not sure that the policy has been announced for this release.
[10:11] <iulian> If it's a bug fix only release you don't need an exception.
[10:13] <iulian> Scroll down to "FeatureFreeze for bug fix only updates (process agreed by motu-release)".
[10:13] <iulian> lfaraone: ^
[10:14] <Laney> Does it have to be reconfirmed with each release?
[10:18] <lfaraone> iulian: Thanks!
[11:14] <brennion_> I try to get openerp-server pkg working for karmic,but it needs python-xml, that has been deleted from repository... is there a way to properly install it from jaunty repo in the preinst file ? or is there another way ??
[11:35] <binarymutant> I keep getting patch-system-but-direct-changes-in-diff in lintain and I'm not sure why? here's my rules http://paste.ubuntu.com/258009/ any help would be appreciative :D
[11:36] <DktrKranz> binarymutant: zcat *.diff.gz | lsdiff
[11:36]  * hyperair uses diffstat.
[11:36] <hyperair> that's the first time i've heard of lsdiff
[11:37] <binarymutant> DktrKranz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/258010/
[11:37] <Laney> DktrKranz: rather lsdiff -z
[11:37] <DktrKranz> you have changes to cap and capify files
[11:38] <DktrKranz> Laney: also ;)
[11:38] <binarymutant> strange, so I should ignore that warning?
[11:39] <Laney> no
[11:39] <DktrKranz> binarymutant: look at the changes for those files
[11:39] <Laney> filterdiff -z -x "*debian*" **.diff.gz
[11:40] <Laney> * not **, of course
[11:41] <binarymutant> it looks reversed :/
[11:42] <binarymutant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/258013/
[12:20] <bdrung> stochastic: using debhelper v7: it shorten the rules file enormously, but you are right. if you want to backport the package, you may have to backport debhelper v7, too.
[12:21] <hyperair> isn't it already backported?
[12:22] <bdrung> stochastic: it is not necessary to use dep5 for the copying file. i like the format and it will probably be the standard for debian and therefore ubuntu.
[12:22] <bdrung> stochastic: about wich lintian reports you do not know how to fix it?
[12:24] <bdrung> hyperair: i talked about xjadeo. this package is not in the archive at all.
[12:25] <hyperair> bdrung: i'm talking about debhelper already being backported all the way to hardy.
[12:26] <bdrung> hyperair: yes, it's backported to hardy. so this is not an issue any more.
[12:27] <hyperair> yeah
[13:12] <ghostcube> hmm, i have a question. what is causing my eth1 not to be started by default on my mainline kernel 2.6.30-5. i must restart interfaces manually. Is there anything that is done on the ubuntu patched kernels that is doing this automatically?
[13:12] <ghostcube> the nameserver isnt set by resolvconf package
[13:12] <ghostcube> at startup
[13:26] <hyperair> ghostcube: not that i know of. i've been compiling mainline kernels since 2.6.31 started, and have noticed nothing of that sort.
[13:27] <hyperair> ghostcube: it should be brought up by networkmanager
[13:27] <ghostcube> hyperair, networkmanager cant handle eth here
[13:27] <hyperair> why can't it?
[13:27] <ghostcube> it just doesnt connect
[13:27] <hyperair> well do you have an auto eth1 line in /etc/network/interfaces then?
[13:27] <ghostcube> wait i show you :)
[13:27] <hyperair> okay
[13:28] <hyperair> (please pastebin it, don't paste here)
[13:28] <ghostcube> sure :)
[13:28] <ghostcube> http://pastie.org/592154
[13:29] <ghostcube> so the prob is all is set only nameserver not from resolvconf package
[13:29] <ghostcube> i need to restart it manually to get the nameserver for eth1
[13:29] <ghostcube> and networkmanager never worked for me i always use this way
[13:29] <hyperair> hmm that's interesting, i have never actually set my dns address in interfaces before
[13:30] <ghostcube> :)
[13:30] <hyperair> is resolvconf starting when you boot?
[13:30] <ghostcube> i have kcpnc so i need to have resolvconf package for setting up the needed ones
[13:30] <ghostcube> its in rc
[13:30] <hyperair> which rc
[13:30] <ghostcube> moment pls
[13:32] <ghostcube> :|
[13:33] <ghostcube> ok now iam a bit worried
[13:33] <ghostcube> its not anymore in rc
[13:33] <ghostcube> oO
[13:33] <ghostcube> that would explain why its not working so far or ?
[13:33] <hyperair> bingo.
[13:33] <hyperair> wait, no
[13:34] <hyperair> lemme just install it and see
[13:34] <ghostcube> i wait no prob in my rc is only networkmanager
[13:35] <hyperair> how do you usually get resolvconf up and running
[13:35] <hyperair> ?
[13:35] <hyperair> it appears there's a script in /etc/network/if-up.d
[13:35] <hyperair> and if-down.d
[13:36] <ghostcube> yeah i have 000resolvconf there
[13:36] <ghostcube> but it doesnt do the trick
[13:36] <hyperair> well, what do you usually do to get it running?
[13:36] <hyperair> /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[13:36] <ghostcube> i read it and it should create the eth1.inet into the resolvconf run interfaces folder
[13:36] <ghostcube> hyperair, yes
[13:37] <ghostcube> this brings it up
[13:37] <ghostcube> i wrote a little script so not so much to type
[13:37] <ghostcube> :D
[13:37]  * hyperair doesn't know =\
[13:37] <ghostcube> :| hmm yeah seems a strange thing that the stock kernels can handle this
[13:37] <ghostcube> and i dont get it
[13:37] <ghostcube> :)
[13:38] <ghostcube> this only happens on mainline kernels
[13:38] <hyperair> hmm how strange =\
[13:38] <ghostcube> yeah :)
[13:42] <ghostcube> hyperair, http://pastie.org/592159
[13:42] <ghostcube> :)
[13:46] <hyperair> out of curiosity, what's grep -v grep for?
[13:51] <geser> here is seems to be useless
[13:52] <geser> usually it's used when grepping "ps aux" to filter out the grep itself
[13:57] <ghostcube> yep exactly i havent known this before
[13:57] <ghostcube> but so u can ket it check if there i 0 or 1 as echo
[13:57] <ghostcube> *l
[14:23] <mok0> s it possible to pin a certain version of a package, so it's NOT sync'ed from unstable?
[14:25] <lfaraone> mok0: Sure, just give it an ubuntu revision. (I think)
[14:26] <geser> you could try getting it added to the sync blacklist till karmic+1 or subscribe to bug mail for that package and look for sync requests
[14:27] <mok0> geser: but it will be auto-sync'ed for karmic+1
[14:27] <lfaraone> mok0: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration#Blacklisting
[14:27] <mok0> lfaraone: that's certainly feasible
[14:27] <geser> if you get it off the sync blacklist again
[14:28] <mok0> lfaraone: thx
[14:28] <lfaraone> mok0: any time.
[14:29] <mok0> lfaraone: don't you need to be archive-admin to do that?
[14:29] <lfaraone> mok0: Correct, so file a bug against ubuntu-archive.
[14:29] <geser> lfaraone: uploading a ubuntu revision just know doesn't prevent someone from requesting a sync (this would only stop the auto-syncs before DIF)
[14:29] <lfaraone> mok0: * file a bug against ubuntu subscribing ubuntu-archive
[14:30] <geser> so blacklisting is the best way
[14:31] <mok0> I don't want the package erased, I just want to pin the version to an older one than unstable has
[14:32] <mok0> I guess the easiest thing is to upload an -*ubuntu1 version, with a note in changelog not to merge
[14:32] <geser> mok0: blacklisting is independent from removing, see e.g. the ocaml-* blacklisting recently to prevent a start of the OCaml transition (we decided later to do it)
[14:32] <mok0> geser: ok, I will look into it
[14:33] <geser> mok0: see bug #387943 for the ocaml case
[14:34]  * mok0 looks
[14:35] <mok0> I will do something similar! Thanks!
[14:39] <mok0> Launchpad is so slow now it's practically unusable
[14:40] <sebner> mok0: ACK. FAils to load pages here too
[14:42] <hyperair> it looks fine from here =\
[14:43] <ghostcube> launchi is slow but works here
[14:44] <hyperair> well considering it's always slow here, i guess launchpad being slow doesn't affect me much eh
[14:45] <sebner> hyperair: heh
[14:49] <sebner> hyperair: do you use edge or normal one?
[14:50] <hyperair> normal one
[14:50] <hyperair> saves me typing
[14:50] <sebner> hyperair: what typing?
[14:50] <hyperair> edge.
[14:50] <hyperair> typing urls, you know?
[14:51] <sebner> hyperair: that would be pretty stupid. get done automatically ;)
[14:51] <hyperair> hmph.
[15:14] <ghostcube> ping fta
[15:14] <ghostcube> damn
[15:14] <ghostcube> fta, ping
[15:15] <fta> ghostcube, ?
[15:15] <ghostcube> fta, you are managing the daily build repo for TB3 and FF3.5 right ?
[15:15] <fta> yes
[15:16] <ghostcube> PM ?
[15:16] <fta> as you want
[15:28] <wrapster> solution like this is what i want::  use Debian virtual package, (eg zlib1g pkg)  make zlib1g to provide (i.e. using Debian meta tag Provides: in  debian/control) missing packages.   in this case lets assume that we need to integrate all functionalities that SUNWzlib provides.. But without having to install it on the machine but rather try doing something with the existing pkg to get its functionality as well.
[15:29] <wrapster> in a nutshell this is what i want      .deb --> extracted --> directory--->make changes---> back to .deb
[15:30] <wrapster> Im a total newbie ,ive worked with solaris for 2yrs but not with .deb ... so can anyone point me out to links for beginners....
[15:32] <azeem_> wrapster: I don't understand your problem :-/
[15:37] <ghostcube> azeem_, you scared him
[15:37] <ghostcube> :P
[15:38] <ghostcube> i think he just wanted to add dependencies to an deb
[15:38] <ghostcube> ??
[16:34] <geser> sebner: one of the edge app servers seems to have problems since the last automatic edge roll-out today
[16:35] <sebner> geser: seems to be fixed now though.
[16:35] <geser> oh, good to know
[16:37] <sebner> bdrung: you are funny with your "Critical" stuff. I'm wondering if the system or hardware breaks if we don't to the update ;)
[16:38] <bdrung> sebner: yes. :p
[16:39] <sebner> bdrung: I'll set it back to wishlist :P
[16:39] <bdrung> sebner: i used the same system as for debian. (not usable at all or ftbfs = very high importance)
[16:39] <bdrung> the main thing is that the packages are synced (before ff)
[16:40] <geser> u-a doesn't care about importance on sync requests TTBOMK
[16:40] <sebner> bddebian: right, well I don't care. The archive admins should/will complain to you :P
[16:41] <geser> sebner: you need to work on your TAB-completion
[16:42] <ghostcube> hmm is it somwhow possible to get an what you hear capturew into kmix for intelhda
[16:42] <geser> (happens sometimes to me too)
[16:42] <sebner> geser: users should care to not have similar usernames *cough* :P
[16:44] <sebner> geser: ok "fixed" is the wrong word. LP doesn't let me subscribe archive admins :(
[16:45] <geser> try again till you get a working app server
[16:45] <geser> I assume it won't get fixed before monday
[16:46] <sebner> heh
[16:46] <hyperair> question. should i be subscribing ubuntu-archive to acked sync requests?
[16:47] <sebner> hyperair: should have done by the MOTU but if he forgot yes
[16:47] <hyperair> tsk tsk.
[16:47] <hyperair> guess who forgot? ;-)
[16:47] <sebner> hyperair: I guess it's me trying to subscribe since minutes but b0rken LP don't let me
[16:48] <hyperair> minutes?
[16:48] <sebner> hyperair: please go ahead then
[16:48] <slytherin> hyperair: I am curious how you built remuco client.
[16:48] <hyperair> slytherin: ?
[16:49] <geser> sebner: you know you can disable the edge redirection?
[16:49] <hyperair> slytherin: there is one big issue i just realized.
[16:49] <hyperair> slytherin: i forgot to include it in any .install file, so it's built, but not in any deb
[16:49] <sebner> geser: too troublesome. We have contributor slaves :P
[16:49]  * hyperair headdesks
[16:49] <slytherin> sebner: some people might feel offended with term 'slaves'. :-)
[16:50] <sebner> slytherin: well, as I consider myself a sponsoring b*tch :P
[16:50] <slytherin> hyperair: How you got to build it anyway?
[16:50] <sebner> geser: ha! it was working. just a lot of pressing f5 and the magic happens xD
[16:50] <hyperair> slytherin: it wasn't me. it was oben sonne (upstream guy)
[16:50] <hyperair> i think if you dig around the source you might find it
[16:50] <hyperair> something about copying over some sources
[16:51] <geser> sebner: with broken edge I had a good opportunity to test my changes to requestsync to work without LP API :)
[16:51] <slytherin> oh
[16:51] <hyperair> that reminds me of *another* thing i forgot
[16:51]  * hyperair facepalms
[16:51] <hyperair> oh my god, what's wrong with me lately..
[16:51] <hyperair> i forgot to amend the copyright file
[16:51] <sebner> geser: heh! Never got this thing working /here xD
[16:53] <christoph_debian> heya! did launchpad change api or is there some other reason reason requestsync gives my only a python trace today?
[16:54] <slytherin> hyperair: don't worry, it will surely get rejected. :-P
[16:54] <hyperair> slytherin: that's comforting.. in a twisted way.
[16:56] <slytherin> geser: I was going to request a quick review of a small library this morning and when I did 'dput' I mistakenly uploaded it to ubuntu archive. It is waiting in new queue. :-)
[16:58] <MontelEdwards> hyperair,
[16:58] <geser> christoph_debian: edge is having problems. this also affects the LP API
[16:58] <MontelEdwards> i was looking at the license at Frostwire. It is GPL
[16:59] <hyperair> MontelEdwards: yes it is. there were some other issues
[16:59] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, like...
[16:59] <MontelEdwards> GPL is GPL, right?
[16:59] <hyperair> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+bug/94011
[17:00] <hyperair> see the comments
[17:00] <christoph_debian> geser: ok I have time ... just want that bugfixes to migrate to my ubuntu users as well for karmic some time ;)
[17:01] <sebner> geser: do the karmic repo is also b0rken? can't update my pbuilder
[17:01] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, uh huh... why cant you guys use the officall package.
[17:02] <bdrung> sebner: can you have a look at bug #417204, too? i know, that you do not like the priority...
[17:02] <geser> christoph_debian: you can still file sync requests by hand if you don't want to wait till edge gets fixed
[17:03]  * slytherin hates when upstream uses too old dependencies :-(
[17:03] <christoph_debian> geser: I guess I'll just wait -- easier :)
[17:03] <sebner> bdrung: you are the uploader etc so thats not that bad but I'm wondering if we want at git snapshot over a stable 0.4 release.
[17:04] <bdrung> sebner: yes, we want it. there are only bug fixes in the git repo since the stable release
[17:04] <bdrung> sebner: since 0.4 there is nothing "new" developed
[17:05] <sebner> bdrung: kay, I'll review
[17:05] <bdrung> sebner: assure yourself: http://git.xmms.se/?p=esperanza.git;a=summary
[17:06] <hyperair> MontelEdwards: that's a question that needs a very long answer that i dont have time to give
[17:06] <james_w> christoph_debian: it will probably work tomorrow if you try then
[17:06] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, linkage?
[17:06] <hyperair> all over the place =\
[17:06] <sebner> bddebian: kay, testbuilding
[17:06] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, ah
[17:07] <hyperair> license is one
[17:07] <MontelEdwards> oh, great.
[17:07] <hyperair> policy is another
[17:07] <MontelEdwards> Firefox dosent run on ubuntu 9.04
[17:07] <MontelEdwards> 64bit
[17:07] <hyperair> worked for me
[17:07] <MontelEdwards> ( from mozilla.com)
[17:07] <hyperair> oh
[17:07] <ScottK> MontelEdwards: Not our problem then.
[17:08] <hyperair> use the ppa
[17:08] <sebner> huhi ScottK :)
[17:08] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, I know, i dont like that Shieritoko crap or whatever
[17:08] <MontelEdwards> ScottK, I know, im just saying
[17:08] <hyperair> MontelEdwards: that's the code name.
[17:09] <hyperair> MontelEdwards: and now it's namoroka
[17:09] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, oh. Well I still like the one from mozilla.org
[17:10] <hyperair> MontelEdwards: your problem then.
[17:13] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, I know. Im not looking for help i am just saying.
[17:14] <sebner> bdrung: you use now xmms2 as icon instead of the one provided in the ubuntu package, why?
[17:14] <bdrung> sebner: because the provided one was only a copy of the xmms2 icon
[17:15] <hyperair> MontelEdwards: rule of thumb: never whine on a developer channel unless you have a good reason to. and even then prepare to be flamed.
[17:15] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, okay :)
[17:18] <sebner> bdrung: ACKed, would you mind subscribing ubuntu-archive since LP is pretty b0rken for me
[17:22] <bdrung> sebner: thanks. yes.
[17:22] <bdrung> yes, i will do it and no, it wouldn't mind. ;)
[17:22] <sebner> your're welcome :)
[17:24] <bdrung> sebner: my workaround is: "update description / tags" -> "subscribe someone else"
[17:24] <sebner> bddebian: heh, good to know. thx
[17:28] <sebner> argh
[17:28] <sebner> damn tab xD
[17:34] <hyperair> heheh
[17:40] <slytherin> if a library has do-as-you-wish license but source files does not contain any copyright/license headers is it likely to be accepted in archive?
[17:41] <hyperair> isn't that an extremely liberal license?
[17:42] <hyperair> from what i understand, as long as the files are certain to all be licensed under the same license as the top-level license file, it'll be fine
[17:42] <hyperair> if there is code lifted from elsewhere there would be an issue
[17:43] <slytherin> there is no code lifted form some other source. but as I said none of the files contain copyright/license header. I thought it is must for even to be considered for packaging.
[17:44] <MontelEdwards> YES!
[17:45] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, I got it to work.
[17:45] <MontelEdwards> thank god for source code
[17:45] <hyperair> congrats
[17:46] <hyperair> meanwhile i'm going to have to deal with this seemingly close sourced Xilinx ISE thing which segfaults at every turn.
[17:46] <MontelEdwards> The codename is "Minefield"
[17:46] <hyperair> wrong.
[17:46] <hyperair> Minefield is what they call "firefox unstable"
[17:46] <hyperair> and the codename is different for every unstable version
[17:47] <hyperair> e.g. shiretoko, namoroko, etc
[17:47] <hyperair> at one point of time, gran paradiso
[17:47] <MontelEdwards> ah
[17:47] <MontelEdwards> Well i dont like this
[17:47] <hyperair> too bad for you. it's just a name =\
[17:47] <MontelEdwards> None of the plugins work
[17:47] <hyperair> oh.
[17:47] <hyperair> use a nightly tester plugin
[17:47] <hyperair> like i do
[17:48] <hyperair> override the compatibility of all plugins
[17:48] <hyperair> heheheh
[17:48] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, I built something i cloned with meurical. Im just going to build the 3.5* src and see if that works
[17:49] <hyperair> have fun
[17:49] <MontelEdwards> oh wait, how do you uninstall it hyperair
[17:51] <hyperair> er sudo make uninstall?
[17:51] <hyperair> since you didn't use a package manager
[17:52] <MontelEdwards> i made it with sudo make install -f clients.mk, but sudo make uninstall -f clients.mk says make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'.  Stop.
[17:53] <hyperair> well too bad for you then
[17:53] <hyperair> that's why people use package managers =)
[17:53] <MontelEdwards> lol
[17:53] <hyperair> now you're going to have to figure out what was installed where and rm it
[17:53] <MontelEdwards> fun
[17:53] <MontelEdwards> :X
[17:55] <MontelEdwards> aha. hyperair it is make clean
[17:57] <hyperair> ...make clean doesn't uninstall
[17:58] <hyperair> or shouldn't anyway
[17:58] <hyperair> just clean the source tree
[18:40] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, i did.
[18:41] <hyperair> ?
[18:41] <hyperair> i meant that make clean only cleans the source tree
[18:41] <MontelEdwards> oh
[18:41] <hyperair> rather than uninstalling
[18:41] <MontelEdwards> I thought you meant clean the source tree
[18:41] <MontelEdwards> I am hoping that when I make install 3.5.2 firefox it will overwrite those files
[18:42] <MontelEdwards> Right now it is compiling
[18:46] <hyperair> have fun
[18:57] <stochastic> bdrung, the spelling issues in binaries that you found, do those need patches to fix them?  As for the binary not an elf or script, I have no idea what to do with that...  and I think you pointed out one other.
[18:59] <bdrung> stochastic: the spelling error in the binary are caused by spelling errors in the source files. you need to find the spelling errors and fix them (using a patch).
[19:00] <bdrung> stochastic: for the binary not an elf or script: you have to remove the execution bit from this file.
[19:01] <MontelEdwards> omg omg omg omg
[19:01] <bdrung> stochastic: you should add a homepage field to debian/control
[19:01] <MontelEdwards> hyperair,
[19:01] <hyperair> what now?
[19:01] <bdrung> stochastic: and there was xjadeo: copyright-refers-to-symlink-license usr/share/common-licenses/GPL
[19:01] <stochastic> bdrung homepage filed is added now
[19:02] <bdrung> ok
[19:02] <MontelEdwards> If one was to get permission from Frostwire to package their software, could MOTU then?
[19:02] <Laney> no
[19:02] <Laney> that doesn't sound free
[19:02] <stochastic> bdrung can you pastebin that full copyright refers to symlink warning so I can see what exactly it wants
[19:02] <MontelEdwards> Laney, but it is GPL
[19:02] <Laney> so you don't need permission
[19:03] <bdrung> stochastic: they want that you link to a versioned one (e.g. GPL-2 or GPL-3)
[19:03] <stochastic> but it's licensed under 2 or (at your option) any later
[19:03] <bdrung> stochastic: here is the long description: http://lintian.debian.org/tags/copyright-refers-to-versionless-license-file.html
[19:03] <hyperair> Laney: the issue is frostwire has a few GPL violations with prepacked binaries or something of that sort =\
[19:04] <stochastic> bdrung which version should I point to?
[19:04] <bdrung> stochastic: you should link the lowest version (GPL-2)
[19:04] <Laney> so either they can't give you permission or it's not really gpl
[19:04] <hyperair> mmhmm
[19:04] <hyperair> bingo
[19:04] <Laney> have they been contacted?
[19:04] <hyperair> i think so
[19:04] <hyperair> i'm not sure
[19:05] <hyperair> bug #94011
[19:05] <stochastic> bdrung, thanks, I don't have time to fix all this right now, but will very soon.  thanks.
[19:05] <bdrung> stochastic: yw
[19:06] <stochastic> bdrung now that I read the lintian warning, it says "but the package does not appear to allow distribution under later versions of the license" but that's not the case, can we safely ignore it?
[19:06] <MontelEdwards> Laney, I contacted them
[19:06] <bdrung> stochastic: if you want to see all from lintian then run "lintian -iIE --pedantic" on the .changes file
[19:07] <hyperair> MontelEdwards: did they say anything about their issues with binaries?
[19:07] <ScottK> bdrung: I wouldn't bother with pedantic.
[19:07] <stochastic> bdrung, ahh, I was wondering where you got the extra warnings from
[19:07] <ScottK> Pedantic checks are really not ones we should be worrying about.
[19:07] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, ill pastebin
[19:07] <bdrung> stochastic: i would ignore it safely.
[19:07] <ScottK> They pretty much all either have high false positive rates or are for very petty details.
[19:07] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, she said that she was just about to push one out
[19:07] <hyperair> MontelEdwards: push one what?
[19:08] <MontelEdwards> a new .deb
[19:08] <bdrung> stochastic: run something like "grep -ir copying *" on your file and check all files if they allow "any later"
[19:09] <stochastic> bdrung there's one file that's only version2 but I explicitly state it in the copyright file
[19:09] <hyperair> when is debian-qa's sf.net script going to be fixed?
[19:09] <stochastic> bdrung is that enough to require the version 2 explicit link?
[19:09] <Laney> hyperair: ask them/
[19:09] <Laney> ?
[19:09] <ScottK> Odds are an Ubuntu channel aren't the best place to get that answered hyperair.
[19:09] <hyperair> yeah i know =\
[19:10] <bdrung> stochastic: can you upload your current status?
[19:11] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, http://codepad.org/DIVd8zXU
[19:12] <Laney> I don't know why they talk about .debs, we don't care about that for packaging
[19:12] <hyperair> yes, we don't care about debs
[19:12] <hyperair> we care about source code
[19:12] <Laney> and the issue is with their distributed binaries, you have to convince them to remove them
[19:12] <stochastic> bdrung, uploading.  (I think the only change should be the homepage field)
[19:12] <Laney> or find a way to work around them yourself if you want
[19:13] <MontelEdwards> Laney, so what should I ask them?
[19:13] <Laney> To please stop distributing binaries in their source tarballs
[19:14] <MontelEdwards> uh. so like a tarball with non binaries?
[19:14] <Laney> you should look at it yourself
[19:15] <hyperair> MontelEdwards: http://pastebin.com/f1a12a651
[19:15] <hyperair> that's a statistic of how many of which file types exist.
[19:15] <Laney> there's a script suspicious-source in ubuntu-dev-tools
[19:15] <hyperair> there is?
[19:15] <slytherin> stochastic: licensecheck is a find program (or script) that you can use to check license of one ore more files.
[19:16] <hyperair> interesting!
[19:16] <hyperair> Laney: in all honesty, it seems like suspicious-source appears a little too suspicious.
[19:17] <hyperair> Laney: it caught banshee's HACKING file which is basically a text file.
[19:17] <MontelEdwards> Oh, so MOTU cant use their deb?
[19:17] <Laney> it just works on whitelists
[19:17] <MontelEdwards> .deb*
[19:17] <Laney> no, not at all
[19:17] <hyperair> MontelEdwards: i told you that earlier =.=
[19:18] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, I must of missed it
[19:18] <MontelEdwards> sorry
[19:18]  * hyperair sighs
[19:19] <Laney> this tarball looks quite bad
[19:19] <hyperair> extremely.
[19:19] <Laney> MontelEdwards: In all honestly I suggest you give up :(
[19:19] <hyperair> heheh
[19:19] <hyperair> actually i think frostwire has an irc channel somewhere
[19:19] <hyperair> what was the server again..
[19:20] <MontelEdwards> Laney, lol
[19:21] <Laney> but you should ask them where the source that they are required to provide by the GPL is
[19:22] <MontelEdwards> Laney, basically what I said.
[19:22]  * MontelEdwards thinks Java is way too hard
[19:22] <Laney> ScottK: Is libboost1.38-dev what we're using now?
[19:23] <ScottK> Laney: Yes.
[19:23] <ScottK> All the older ones have been removed.
[19:23] <Laney> alright
[19:23] <Laney> fixing geordi
[19:24] <MontelEdwards> Laney, I am guessing that MOTU can use their .debs for security purposes or what?
[19:25] <Laney> no, forget about them
[19:25] <Laney> they are binary packages and we work with source packages
[19:25] <hyperair> Laney: you work with geordi?
[19:25] <Laney> not really
[19:25] <MontelEdwards> Laney, is there MOTU rules or something somewhere?
[19:25] <Laney> I'm only seeing it because it's haskell
[19:25] <hyperair> who maintains that bot anyway?
[19:26] <hyperair> eh? geordi's haskell? but it runs c++ code!
[19:26] <Laney> yeah!
[19:26] <hyperair> strange thing
[19:26] <hyperair> heheh
[19:26]  * hyperair didn't know geordi existed in the repository
[19:26] <hyperair> i only knew of a geordi that resides in ##c++
[19:27] <Laney> never used it tbh
[19:27] <Laney> http://qa.debian.org/popcon-png.php?packages=geordi&show_installed=on&want_legend=on&want_ticks=on&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1
[19:27] <Laney> popular!
[19:27] <Laney> MontelEdwards: Do you know what the difference between binary and source packages are?
[19:28] <MontelEdwards> Laney, that was insulting. Of course i do
[19:28] <Laney> well then you know why upstream's .debs are useless to us
[19:29] <hyperair> Laney: that's not very popular.. only in the tens
[19:29] <Laney> indeed
[19:31] <slytherin> MontelEdwards: and why do you think java is too hard? :-)
[19:31]  * hyperair doesn't think java is hard, just that it's stupid :-D
[19:31] <MontelEdwards> slytherin, well it isnt as hard as Brainfuck
[19:31] <hyperair> what are you saying? brainfuck's as easy as can get
[19:32] <hyperair> to learn, that is
[19:32] <hyperair> to actually use is a different matter
[19:32] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, well yeah, uh if i want to type forever
[19:33] <hyperair> hey there was another one that used only spaces and tabs
[19:33] <hyperair> be thankful you're not using that.
[19:33] <MontelEdwards> ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>.
[19:33] <slytherin> MontelEdwards: and why do you think java is too hard? :-)
[19:33] <MontelEdwards> slytherin, because i am used to Python.
[19:33] <MontelEdwards> thats why
[19:34]  * slytherin declares python is too hard. :-P
[19:34] <MontelEdwards> haha.
[19:34] <hyperair> c++ is the easiest ;-)
[19:34]  * Laney coughs
[19:34] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, I have never looked at it
[19:34]  * hyperair watches everybody simultaneously vomit blood
[19:35] <MontelEdwards> oh, i thought you were serious
[19:35] <Laney> http://www.haskell.org/~pairwise/intro/intro.html
[19:35] <Laney> :)))))
[19:35] <hyperair> i'll make you pay for my headphones if my brain comes through my ears and spoils them
[19:36] <hyperair> anyway i've decided that my next language will be lisp, no matter what (emacs comes to mind)
[19:36] <Laney> oh my
[19:36] <MontelEdwards> Laney, i generally dont like languages that have to be compiled
[19:36] <Laney> sexps are sick
[19:36] <Laney> MontelEdwards: there are haskell interpreters
[19:37] <MontelEdwards> anyone like C#?\
[19:37] <Laney> indeed a common way to write is to test in ghci until it works and then compile at the end
[19:37] <Laney> f#!
[19:38] <hyperair> MontelEdwards: come join #debian-cli now
[19:38] <hyperair> heheh
[19:38] <MontelEdwards> hyperair, there is nobody there
[19:38] <hyperair> ;-)
[19:38] <hyperair> i forgot to mention which network it's on
[19:39]  * hyperair conveniently disappears
[19:39] <slytherin> MontelEdwards: it is on OFTC
[19:39] <hyperair> you blabbermouth you ;-)
[19:58] <bdrung> stochastic: if i change /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL into /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2 lintian is happy
[19:59] <bdrung> stochastic: the clean target does not remove all generated files
[20:00] <bdrung> stochastic: instead of creating a xjadeo.desktop file line by line, you can create a debian/xjadeo.desktop file and simply copy it.
[21:04] <rowinggolfer_> hi.
[21:04] <rowinggolfer_> running karmic alpha 4, very impressed.
[21:05] <rowinggolfer_> can't get keyboard shortcut app to launch though
[21:08] <rowinggolfer_> the app is gnome-keybinding-properties
[21:08] <rowinggolfer_> so the bug is not to be reported to launchpad?
[21:10] <rowinggolfer_> bug 417527
[22:03] <c_korn> I need to run an updater in postinst which requires user interaction in the console (pressing y or n , etc..) how can I forward this to the user ?
[22:03] <geser> debconf
[22:04] <geser> or do you want to run a programm in postinst which needs user interaction?
[22:10] <c_korn> geser: yes, the program needs user interaction
[22:39] <Mez> any MOTU release here?
[23:50] <c_korn> a game downloads the data in postinst from the game server because the license forbids redistribution of the data. because the download can take some time I want to show the user the output of the updater. how can I do this ?
[23:54] <chrisccoulson> c_korn - the flashplugin-nonfree package does something similar doesn't it? have you looked at that as an example?
[23:54] <c_korn> never had that package installed. will have a look
[23:56] <chrisccoulson> c_korn - if you're using wget to fetch the data, then that can display a progress indicator
[23:57] <c_korn> no, the game has its own updater
[23:58] <c_korn> output is like this : http://pastebin.com/d66ab4176