[01:10] <Adrian1> Hello?
[01:11] <Adrian1> hello is there anyone in here
[01:11] <Adrian1> ?
[04:23] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:25] <dgroos> Evening sbalneav
[04:25] <dgroos> a quick preview of the PS I just added to an edubuntu lists e-mail: "PS  Awesome that Sabayon is working--kudos to sbalneav and to LaserJock as well."
[04:26] <dgroos> I really mean it.  That will make a huge difference in the use of technology and education in my and the 2 other teachers who have their room setup.  Thanks.
[04:26] <dgroos> And,
[04:27] <dgroos> I'm just about to turn into a pumpkin but wanted to say that sabayon still seems to be functioning flawlessly--not a hiccup in the further tests :)
[04:29] <dgroos> night...
[04:41] <sbalneav> Night
[05:19] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Around?
[05:20] <alkisg> Good morning
[05:20] <sbalneav> Evening alkisg
[05:21] <sbalneav> Just squashed a few minor install bugs with sabayon
[05:21] <sbalneav> trying to see if I can get highvoltage to sponsor an upload.
[05:21] <alkisg> "published 5 minutes ago" good :)
[05:21] <sbalneav> Yeah, sabayon-admin user and group wasn't created --system
[05:22] <sbalneav> there were a couple more bad format strings in mozillasource.py as well.
[05:22] <alkisg> "sponsor an upload" == where? in jaunty-updates?
[05:23] <alkisg> !info sabayon
[05:24] <sbalneav> I'll spend some time tomorrow, see if 2.27.91 with my fixes will work in hardy.
[05:24] <sbalneav> make a hardy package
[05:24] <alkisg> If it works as it is, you can just make a "hardy-copy" from your ppa
[05:25] <alkisg> There's a "copy-packages" function, worked fine for me so far...
[05:26] <sbalneav> Hm, never looked at that before.
[05:26] <sbalneav> Should give it a try
[05:26] <alkisg> This way you don't have to maintain 3 different changelogs (hardy, jaunty, karmic)
[05:28] <sbalneav> The following source cannot be copied:
[05:28] <sbalneav> * sabayon 2.27.91-0ubuntu5~ppa5 in jaunty (same version already has published binaries in the destination archive)
[05:28] <alkisg> Select "hardy" for destination series
[05:28] <sbalneav> I did :(
[05:28] <alkisg> Let me copy it over to my ppa and see if it compiles...
[05:30] <alkisg> Copied here: https://launchpad.net/~alkisg/+archive/ppa
[05:30] <sbalneav> Well, we'll see if it compiles.
[05:31] <alkisg> I use "copy packages" a lot, to maintain an "updates" repository for greek teachers. In it, I copy ltsp* and xlib packages from stgraber's ppa, sabayon from yours, italc from edubuntu-devel etc: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa
[05:36] <alkisg> sbalneav: failed: checking for intltool >= 0.40.0... 0.37.1 found
[05:36] <alkisg> configure: error: Your intltool is too old.  You need intltool 0.40.0 or later.
[05:37] <sbalneav> meh.
[05:37] <sbalneav> I'll look at it tomorrow.  Too tired tonight.
[05:37] <alkisg> Ok man. Really good work, thanks :)
[05:38] <sbalneav> I'll probably just have to adjust some of the buildepends down.
[06:51] <highvoltage> sbalneav: good morning
[06:52] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I'm not a MOTU yet either, I'm currently also learning from stgraber
[10:20] <nubae> highvoltage, there?
[10:22] <highvoltage> nubae: yep. wondering about ltsp-cluster bugs?
[10:34] <nubae> that too :-) heh
[10:34] <nubae> but more... suggesting we set up a meeting
[10:35] <nubae> its been a really long time, and I think it might be worth letting people know that edubuntu is not totally dead... people did seem to put an effort up for help and stuff
[10:35] <nubae> laserjock is probably really busy, but that doesnt mean we can't do a meeting anyway
[10:52] <highvoltage> you're right
[10:52] <highvoltage> mind suggesting a date/time?
[11:22] <nubae> highvoltage, how about Thursday or Friday?
[11:22] <nubae> gives us enough time to gather people
[11:27] <highvoltage> nubae: that will work for me
[11:44] <nubae> cool, what time? and will u write to the list?
[11:49] <highvoltage> nubae: ok, afternoon UTC times are good. is 17:00 UTC good for you?
[12:01] <nubae> yeah
[14:37] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:38] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav
[14:40] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Hey, can you upload packages in main?
[14:40] <sbalneav> How do I go about getting what's in my ppa into karmic?
[14:40] <highvoltage> sbalneav: no, not because I don't want to, but I'm only going to apply for MOTU soon so I don't have the rights yet
[14:41] <sbalneav> k
[14:41] <sbalneav> I'll talk to ogra
[14:41] <highvoltage> sbalneav: ogra said he'll sponsor your packages, it would be best to give him a ping, but I'll be happy to help with anything else I can
[14:41] <highvoltage> sbalneav: if you have questions about the packages, etc
[14:47] <sbalneav> Well, last night I fixed another couple of bugs, related to install.
[14:47] <sbalneav> The sabayon-admin user wasn't a --system user, so was conflicting for someone with ldap users.
[14:48] <sbalneav> As well, purging the package removed the user, but not the sabayon group
[14:52] <highvoltage> cool
[16:44] <sbalneav> ogra: Ping over here in less noisy edubuntu channel :)
[17:00] <sbalneav> dgroos: Morning
[17:00] <sbalneav> New packages in my ppa
[17:00] <dgroos> Good Morn, sgalneav
[17:00] <sbalneav> They fix a couple of more mozilla crashers, as well as some install problems.
[17:01] <sbalneav> f you try it out, you'll need to apt-get purge sabayon before the install
[17:01] <sbalneav> and maybe manually remove the sabayon-admin group
[17:01] <dgroos> Awesome!  Thanks for your work.
[17:01] <dgroos> Will that remove the users I've created?
[17:01] <dgroos> --profiles I mean
[17:02] <dgroos> Not a problem, looks like I need to make the least-restrictive profile first, then copy it and make progressively more restrictive profiles.
[17:03] <dgroos> so, won't hurt to start afresh at all.
[17:03] <sbalneav> Profiles are stored in /etc/desktop-profiles, and since they're conffiles, they wont be deleted even with a purge.
[17:04] <sbalneav> If you want to hose them, just delete them manually
[17:04] <dgroos> k
[17:04] <sbalneav> I'm going to see if I can make a hardy package today.
[17:04] <dgroos> that will make many people happy :)
[17:05] <dgroos> As I said, I'll try and get the word out...  when?
[17:05] <sbalneav> When it appears in my ppa :)
[17:06] <dgroos> is there going to be a release party or something? ;)
[17:06] <highvoltage> :)
[17:06] <sbalneav> Phht, doubt it.
[17:07] <sbalneav> when (and if) packages ever get out of my ppa into main, I'll just close the bugs.
[17:08] <sbalneav> Since I've fixed the bugs by basically moving to a new version of sabayon, I suspect my fixes will only ever "officially" get into karmic
[17:08] <sbalneav> with hardy, jaunty, etc. people simply pulling updates from my ppa
[17:08] <dgroos> OK
[17:09] <dgroos> Seems like we need a new Sabayon page in the wiki -- where's ace_suares?
[17:09] <sbalneav> unless someone wants to go through the hassle of spearheading convincing someone to replace a non-working package in an LTS release with a working one, which, for whatever reason, always seems surprisingly hard.
[17:09] <sbalneav> Gone.
[17:09] <dgroos> :(
[17:10] <sbalneav> I suspect we won't see him again.
[17:10] <sbalneav> I hope we do.  But....
[17:11] <sbalneav> morning alkisg
[17:11] <dgroos> Where's he hanging out?  I'd like to encourage his re-appearance...
[17:11] <sbalneav> No idea.
[17:12] <sbalneav> My suspicion is that he felt things weren't making rapid enough progress, and moved on.
[17:12] <highvoltage> who? ogra?
[17:12] <sbalneav> ace_suares
[17:13] <highvoltage> ah
[17:14] <mhall119|work> too bad, he seemed like he wanted to do so much
[17:14] <mhall119|work> I guess that's kind of how things have gone for edubuntu for a while though, hasn't it?
[17:15] <dgroos> "... like driving an ocean liner..."  Communities change due to sustained leadership and he was really doing stuff.
[17:15] <highvoltage> I can completely relate to people getting frustrated when things don't move fast enough. Edubuntu has lots of potential, but with current resources it's going to take a bit time to build up
[17:15] <sbalneav> I don't want to pass judgement on him, as he may just be on holidays, or busy with other projects... However...
[17:15] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: there were some terbulent times for edubuntu up until a few months back, and things stagnated yes
[17:15] <sbalneav> from my 15+ years as a Free Software Developer...
[17:16] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: we've been putting the pieces togeher and have been listening to our users more, this next release will be more like a 1.0 release again
[17:16] <mhall119|work> awesome
[17:16] <sbalneav> There are many people who come into projects, guns blazing, ready to "change the world" and "shake things up"
[17:16] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: but for karmic+1 and up I think we'll be able to really build on that and make a difference
[17:16] <mhall119|work> I'll try and get Michelle to go back to working on the documentation
[17:17] <alkisg> Hi sbalneav, hi all
[17:17] <mhall119|work> we've been pretty busy lately
[17:17] <sbalneav> Their appearence is usualy accompanied by such musings as "Why are you doing things *this* way..." etc.
[17:17] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: by then we'll probably be able to get ace and similar people back on board
[17:17] <highvoltage> hi alkisg
[17:17] <mhall119|work> I have some Qimo packages in my PPA, that I'll be putting the final touches on soon
[17:17] <sbalneav> However, a month into realizing the herculean task that they've assigned themselves, they quietly peter away.
[17:17] <highvoltage> sbalneav: yes, I've noticed it too, they usually don't want to take the time to learn much about the project and its processes before contributing it
[17:18] <sbalneav> I hope he comes back.
[17:18] <highvoltage> sbalneav: and with something as big as ubuntu, as we both learned, those processes can take some time to learn
[17:19] <sbalneav> Remember that fellow who was here about 3 months back?  Did two weeks of filing bugs, then figured that should be enough to get full ubuntu membership and upload rights to main?
[17:19]  * sbalneav looks around
[17:19] <sbalneav> We voted on him and said "needs more time contributing".  Now, he's gone.
[17:20] <sbalneav> Well, for this upcoming release:
[17:20] <sbalneav> LTSP's in good shape.
[17:20] <sbalneav> Sabayon's looking decent.
[17:20] <sbalneav> I have to start in work soon on the manuals.
[17:20] <sbalneav> As well, I'd like to squash a few crashers on the edu aps.
[17:21] <dgroos> How bout iTALC?  I can't get it to work!
[17:21] <sbalneav> Not on my radar.
[17:21] <sbalneav> Feel free to work on it
[17:21] <alkisg> italc is in pretty well shape too, but I hope we get a 2.0 version soon with many upstream features
[17:21] <dgroos> Like Sabayon, it's one of the few must-have apps for managing a class of computers
[17:22] <dgroos> alkisg: for Jaunty does it work?  What magic did you perform?
[17:22] <alkisg> Lns also said his tcm-ng (something like italc) is going to be working soonish
[17:23] <mhall119|work> does Sabayon have a method of applying profiles to newly created accounts?
[17:23] <alkisg> dgroos: I just did sudo apt-get install italc-master. Nothing, nothing else.
[17:24] <dgroos> How do I *completely* remove it so I can start over?  I've a feeling there might be some old config files or something that's 'polluting the waters'.
[17:24] <alkisg> dgroos: Are you going to use it normally (=on the server), or as a localapp?
[17:25] <dgroos> Ideally, it would be as a localapp, but I can't get it to work on the server so...
[17:27] <alkisg> OK if you want I might be able to help you in troubleshooting this some time later on.
[17:29] <dgroos> alkisg: thanks so much. I'll first try to remove those config files and reinstall and get back to you as needed :)
[17:35] <dgroos> Morning Lns.
[17:35] <Lns> morning dgroos =)
[17:38] <sbalneav> Lns: tcm-ng, is there a bzr site or ppa somewhere?
[17:39] <Lns> sbalneav: yes, should be on lp
[17:40] <Lns> lp:tcm-ng ?
[17:44] <sbalneav> Lns: Who's Rene?
[17:44] <Lns> sbalneav: moldy - you can meet him in #lns
[17:45] <Lns> oh actually he's in #ltsp too
[17:45] <sbalneav> Was he just looking for a project to do, or is he actively using LTSP?
[17:47] <sbalneav> Can't remember who suggested it, but there was a good suggestion of having a meta package like "ltsp-management-tools" that installed things like tcm-ng and sabayon.
[17:47] <sbalneav> might be worth looking into at some point.
[17:53] <Lns> sbalneav: yeah that was me
[17:53] <Lns> moldy is working on tcm right now, dunno if he's up for any other projects, you can always ask :)
[17:55] <Lns> sbalneav: i know moldy is looking at debian packaging, maybe we can get him to whip something together :)
[18:04] <Lns> sbalneav: i know you mentioned it before - are you going to try and make a hardy package at some point? if so, I will definitely test it as i have multiple sites using it still and the techs would eat it up like little candy penguins ;)
[18:37] <mottz> I am experiencing an issue with ldm_autologin much like bug#161794 except using 5.1.65-0ubuntu2. Has anyone else encountered this?
[18:41] <alkisg> mottz: try to get a local terminal on the client, run getltscfg -a and see if LDM_USERNAME / LDM_PASSWORD etc reach the client
[18:45] <mottz> yes
[18:46] <mottz> They reach the client.
[18:47] <alkisg> Can you upload the result of getltscfg -a to pastebot.ltsp.org? (of course delete the username/pass if you want)
[18:57] <mottz> done
[18:57] <mottz> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/485
[19:09] <mottz> what is really strang is the auth.log from the server. Seems ldm is logging in with the hostname and not the username in lts.conf
[19:09] <mottz> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/486
[19:10] <detrix> Hello folks.  I cant get gcompris or gcompris admin to start.  I am getting the following error "no module named 'Numeric' in 'garbage collection' ignored      Fatal Error: unexpected exception during garbage collection.
[19:11] <Lns> detrix: interesting..what *buntu release are you on?
[19:12] <detrix> Lns: I have jaunty  9.04
[19:13] <Lns> detrix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcompris/+bug/328917
[19:14] <Lns> detrix: have you updated the whole system? I've used gcompris in jaunty recently and it seemed to work fine
[19:14] <detrix> everything is up to date.
[19:14] <alkisg> mottz: LMD_USERNAME="kroom" ==> typo
[19:14] <alkisg> LDM, not LMD
[19:15] <Lns> detrix: looks like you can 'sudo apt-get install python-numeric' to fix the issue as a workaround
[19:16] <detrix> Lns: ok.  cool.  thanks
[19:17] <detrix> l
[19:17] <detrix> Lns: it works.  thanks alot
[19:17] <sbalneav> Lns: I'm going to look at hardy packages this evening.
[19:17] <Lns> detrix: =)
[19:17] <Lns> sbalneav: cool!
[19:18] <sbalneav> I'm hoping I just have to downgrade some builddeps, current packages need intltool 0.4.0, but hardy only has 0.3.7
[19:18] <sbalneav> I can't see that sabayon's doing anything special that wouldn't work on an older gnome.
[19:23] <Lns> nice. well i'll keep a look out for it on your ppa then start testing here at my site when it's up =)
[19:24] <mottz> alkisg: Thanks I updated lmd ==>ldm.
[19:24] <alkisg> mottz: everything works now?
[19:24] <mottz> Now I get kernel panic
[19:24] <alkisg> Hmm? And you didn't get that before, and you do now by only changing lmd => ldm? ?!!!!
[19:25] <mottz> yeah, if I comment out ldm_autologin, it works fine
[19:27] <alkisg> When do you get the kernel panic? And what does it say?
[19:28] <mottz> after boot splash
[19:29] <alkisg> That doesn't sound related to ldm_autologin... What does it say?
[19:31] <mottz> Alright. I testd it with autologin commented. Logged in with kroom, restarted with autologin enabled and it worked. No kernel panic...
[19:32] <mottz> Maybe the client machine or nic. dell demention 4100 PXE v 2.00
[19:33] <mottz> Thanks for you help. It's never the computer's fault!
[19:33] <alkisg> Sure it is, many bugs around :)
[19:33] <mottz> :q!
[19:33] <alkisg> Most of the times I see kernel panic during the boot process it's 2 dhcp servers around
[19:34] <alkisg> So if the wrong dhcp server is selected the ltsp server isn't contacted
[19:34] <mottz> I used alt 9.04 ubuntu install and then installed the edu addon.
[19:35] <mottz> top
[19:35] <mottz> srry keep using the wrong key board
[20:49] <mhall119|work> where's LaserJock?
[20:51] <highvoltage> he's inbetween internet connections atm, busy moving
[20:54] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: they're looking for someone from edubuntu in #ubuntu-meeting
[20:59] <sbalneav> I can go
[21:05] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I told you this morning that I'm not a MOTU yet :)
[21:05] <sbalneav> yeah, forgot.
[21:05] <sbalneav> once I get an idear in my head, it's hard to shift.
[21:06] <nubae> highvoltage, so meeting Friday 17.00 utc?
[21:06] <nubae> just mentioned it to sbalneav
[21:06] <sbalneav> Old age, I expect.
[21:06] <highvoltage> stgraber says that I'm about ready to apply, I'll do so soon
[21:06] <highvoltage> nubae: ok, will send to list, it slipped my mind. I guess I'm also getting old :)
[21:06] <sbalneav> nubae: from my point of view here's what I've accomplished:
[21:06] <sbalneav> 1) Sabayon's working now, had several good reports
[21:07] <nubae> oh nice, I'll give it whirl tomorrow at work then...
[21:07] <sbalneav>   1a) Apparently, I'm not only an upstream now for sabayon, debian wants me to take over packaging for sabayon there too :)
[21:07] <nubae> include it in guadalinex
[21:07] <mhall119|work> sbalneav: nice!
[21:08] <sbalneav> 2) ltsp-docs are fairly complete, and vagrantc in #ltsp's helping me with some packaging, which we can steal from.
[21:08] <sbalneav> 3) Later this week I'll start working on the edubuntu handbook
[21:08] <nubae> yeah, that needs some loving, I can help out with that too
[21:08] <sbalneav> once that's done, I'll squash any bugs I can in edu apps before time runs out.
[21:09]  * nubae has been busy with a python app to create lesson plans, called pyclic... similar to jclic
[21:09] <sbalneav> If Lns gets a tcm-ng going, even in ppa form for karmic, we should be in good shape
[21:09] <nubae> one uploads an image, points and clicks on the image to place buttons with numbers, and those correspond to labels, which the user then needs to guess...
[21:10] <highvoltage> sbalneav: great
[21:10] <highvoltage> sbalneav: it's really nice to see the progress on sabayon
[21:10] <nubae> so its like have a repetoire of lesson plans for different subjects (kind of a fill in the blanks and name the objects)
[21:11] <nubae> everything is in xml, so can be send via xmpp for collaboration using telepathy framework... thats the end goal
[21:11] <nubae> yeah karmic will have some nice additions
[21:12] <nubae> I hope to have my app ready for then too - the xmpp collaboration stuff I guess
[21:12] <nubae> but from what I hear empathy is going to be the default messaging client now, which is cool
[21:14] <nubae> also... we have latest sugar working now... so we should make sure that makes it into karmic too
[21:16] <highvoltage> sounds cool
[21:52] <Lns> sbalneav: i think at the very least a ppa for karmic will be doable
[22:14] <dgroos> Along with help from jimrockford I'm trying to make CmapTools work as a local app--it stopped working a couple weeks ago and have yet to get it to work.  Are the LTSP people the group to talk about localapps?
[22:49] <nubae> dgroos, yes
[22:49] <nubae> how did it stop working though? explain a little, maybe we can help
[22:53] <dgroos> On an upgrade of the chroot.  For a while the ltsp-localapps command wasn't working on anything, though now it is.
[22:55] <dgroos> nubae: thanks, BTW, for your offer of help,  I'm unfortunately at my school setting up my room--first day back at school--and have the server set up at my house.
[22:55] <dgroos> do I recall that you are in Germany?
[22:55] <dgroos> wait, that would mean that it would be around 2:00 AM :)
[22:56] <nubae> its 12 am actually
[22:59] <dgroos> really!  I don't have a good sense of time zones outside of US and GB where my sister lives.
[22:59] <nubae> anyway, wahts the problem?
[22:59] <alkisg> Lns, did you try sabayon for hardy?
[23:01] <nubae> alkisg, we have a edubuntu meeting on Friday 17.00 utc
[23:01] <nubae> hopefully u can make it?
[23:01] <nubae> present u're idea too
[23:01] <alkisg> nubae: saw it, I hope I will. Will you apply for edubuntu member?
[23:01] <dgroos> Well, CmapTools is not open source/GNOME software though it is free-ware for schools and non-business users.
[23:01] <nubae> I applied almost a year ago
[23:01] <nubae> heh...
[23:01] <alkisg> Yeah but you lost a couple of meetings where they were to approve it :)
[23:01] <nubae> think its a formality that edubuntu council has to be there or something
[23:01] <nubae> I would hope I am approved
[23:02] <dgroos> Anyway, no longer does ltsp-localapps CmapTools launch the software.
[23:02] <nubae> yeah guess I was sorta absent :/
[23:02] <alkisg> I was in 2 meetings where laserjock was asking on your whereabouts, and said that they could not approve you if you weren't there in person...
[23:02] <nubae> yah
[23:02] <nubae> well, its no massive deal
[23:02] <alkisg> Sure, still it'll be nice to have another edubuntu member
[23:03] <nubae> yeah
[23:03] <alkisg> nubae@ubuntu.com .... heh :)
[23:03] <nubae> so... did u do a write up of your project some place?
[23:03] <nubae> launchpad or so?
[23:03] <alkisg> Which one?
[23:03] <nubae> or u think drbl is too close a competitor?
[23:04] <nubae> the one u mentioned to me the other day
[23:04] <Lns> alkisg: haven't yet - is it in scottie's ppa now for hardy?
[23:04] <alkisg> Ah that one. No, I didn't write it anywhere, I'm trying to make it a little better
[23:04] <alkisg> Lns, yup
[23:04] <nubae> well if u write it up, others can chip in their 2 cents
[23:04] <Lns> cool =) I'll probably check it out either in about an hour or tomorrow in the afternoon (it's 3:00pm here)
[23:04] <nubae> by others I include myself I guess
[23:04] <alkisg> nubae: I'm able to boot correctly with nfs rw, but I'm having some problems with nfs ro (=keyboard/mouse doesn't work - maybe some consolekit dir isn't writable)
[23:04] <nubae> greetings Lns btw
[23:05]  * Lns greets nubae  =)
[23:05] <alkisg> nubae: I've talked with ogra about it, though
[23:05] <nubae> Lns, u be at meeting?
[23:05] <nubae> and what'd he say?
[23:05] <Lns> it's in my sunbird =)
[23:05] <nubae> he'd have interesting input
[23:06] <alkisg> Well he told me it's doable, but he'd prefer to either do it with an ltsp-based script, or by reusing the livecd
[23:06] <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot
[23:06] <nubae> yeah, kinda what I thought too
[23:06] <nubae> u could look at kiwi too
[23:07] <nubae> but thats suse only I guess
[23:07] <alkisg> But I don't want a chroot, nor a squashfs image, so... I'll have to implement it from scratch
[23:07] <nubae> but easiest would be to use ltsp, then u could just hack my scripy
[23:07] <nubae> script
[23:07] <alkisg> I looked at opensuse studio. Nice, but I can't use it to integrate 3 Gb of apps
[23:08] <alkisg> Sure, ltsp would be the easier for development, but not for the users
[23:08] <nubae> i don't quite understand why u dislike chroots so much :-)
[23:08] <alkisg> Because all the existing gui administration tools can't be used in chroot
[23:08] <nubae> re: susestudio... y not?
[23:08] <nubae> also... kiwi is not susestudio... thats different
[23:09] <nubae> though susestudio uses kiwi technology
[23:09] <alkisg> I think they'll only enable me to upload files by the web interface, and not 3 Gb of files that I want to integrate...
[23:09] <nubae> but suse ltsp uses it too for example
[23:09] <dgroos> jimrockford tried lots of stuff, including writing the absolute path to the executable /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/IHMC_CmapTools/bin/CmapTools into lts.conf...
[23:09] <nubae> sure u can... I know projects with more than 3 gigs
[23:09] <nubae> the edu project has close to 3 gigs
[23:09] <alkisg> nubae: kiwi is based on images, right? So it would be pretty much like a chroot
[23:10] <nubae> more like a livecd
[23:10] <nubae> not a chroot
[23:10] <dgroos> created a file named cmap.desktop by coping and pasting code found at: http://wiki.k12opensource.com/page/diff/Cmap/77929541?mode=visual
[23:10] <nubae> dgroos, what happens when u launch?
[23:11] <dgroos> it doesn't launch...
[23:11] <nubae> from suse's pages:
[23:11] <alkisg> nubae: well, the same problems go for live cds as well. Difficult for the teachers to upgrade/customize etc. Good for preinstalled "appliances", but not for everyday use.
[23:11] <nubae> KIWI is an image system that provides a complete operating system image
[23:12] <nubae> it uses smart for package installation
[23:12] <nubae> that at least is gui based
[23:13] <nubae> smart is actually a pretty nice package manager... I did some translation work for their project
[23:13] <nubae> very cross platform
[23:13] <alkisg> Yeah images are a level of redirection that I'd like to avoid. If I try for some days and that won't get me anywhere, then I'll start looking at the other alternatives.. (with your fat clients script = the first to look)
[23:14] <nubae> if kiwi were more cross platform, it would be a nice alternative
[23:15] <Lns> +1 nubae
[23:15] <nubae> its kind of an image, but a managable one
[23:15] <alkisg> I don't know. It's still based on images.
[23:15] <alkisg> You need different tools to manage it
[23:15] <alkisg> Why duplicate all the tools, and force the users to learn 2 tools for the same jobs?
[23:16] <nubae> because suse likes reinventing the wheel
[23:16] <nubae> but usually in a good way
[23:16] <alkisg> Heh. True. :)
[23:16] <alkisg> It'd be better if they did it in a more cross-distro way, though
[23:16] <dgroos> jumping in... I want an image of an edubuntu ltsp w/localapps already set up so that all I have to do use clonezilla to burn it onto my machine.
[23:16] <nubae> http://moosy.blogspot.com/2008/07/kiwi-image-system.html
[23:16] <nubae> there is a diagram there that explains it
[23:17] <nubae> it uses xml files for configuration, which is cool because then u could use all kinds of tools to manage it
[23:17] <alkisg> I'm still waiting for the "cross-distro version of easy-ltsp" :)
[23:17] <nubae> heh, well keep waiting
[23:17] <dgroos> I wouldn't have had to spend all summer to make an image of a server that I can use.
[23:17] <nubae> one problem with opensuse folks is, they are moving forward fast and not really in any direction but their own
[23:18] <Lns> dgroos: hopefully soon in the future we'll be taking a look at easy-LTSP and hoping to get it a bit more cross distro
[23:19] <Lns> "soon in the future" being the operative word, after we feel really good about tcm :)
[23:19] <alkisg> nubae: http://lizards.opensuse.org/2009/06/02/coming-soon-on-the-servers-near-you-easy-ltsp-ng/
[23:19] <dgroos> REALLY easy ltsp/localapps?
[23:19] <alkisg> Lns, did you take the -ng from them? :)
[23:20] <Lns> lol, no, they took it from us actually ;)
[23:20] <dgroos> I mean not easy for experienced linux folks, but tech-knowledgeable but linux newbies?
[23:20] <Lns> it was weird, it was literally like a week after we announced we were picking up tcm that they announced easy-ltsp-ng =p
[23:20] <nubae> well, I've looked at and used easy ltsp and its really really suse specific
[23:20] <nubae> Its no easy job making it cross distro
[23:21] <Lns> honestly i don't like the gui for it, it looks very cluttered to me..but jmho
[23:21] <nubae> and that announcement was 4 months ago
[23:21] <nubae> i doubt anything happened since then
[23:21] <Lns> nubae: you know where they're at with that? (Jan I guess is the only current maintainer?)
[23:22] <nubae> I havent heard anything on the channel, and I lurk there daily
[23:22] <nubae> so...
[23:22] <nubae> cyberorg is really the worker bee
[23:23] <Lns> it seemed jan was really into making it x-dist
[23:23] <nubae> so unless he's involved, it'll take a while
[23:23] <Lns> was going to code in python and all
[23:23] <Lns> hrm
[23:23] <Lns> oh well..i guess we'll keep plugging along with TCM and see where we're at when the time comes to provide that kind of functionality
[23:23] <nubae> I would code something from scratch in python specifically for ubuntu/debian
[23:24] <nubae> well, probably an extension to what u are doing
[23:24] <Lns> yeah, we're still kind of discussing how much functionality we're going to keep in the main codebase as opposed to plugins
[23:24] <nubae> main.py hasnt been touched for 2 months
[23:25] <Lns> heh
[23:25] <nubae> so there ya go...
[23:25]  * Lns shrugs :) We're getting a lot done w/TCM, VNC seems to be working, we've cleaned up all of the codebase, it's really coming along, it's exciting :)
[23:26] <Lns> yanqui is working on UI changes right now to make things a lot easier to get to
[23:26] <Lns> all this with no chroot changes ;)
[23:26] <Lns> (yet) heh
[23:26] <nubae> nice one... I've been grinding my teeth on python with an educational app (basically upload an image, point and click on the  image to place labels, and then name those labels, then the student gets a version of the imagen with the labels blanked out which he has to fill in)
[23:27] <nubae> using telepathy, students then enter a kind of name the object quiz
[23:27] <Lns> sounds useful!
[23:27] <nubae> each quiz is stored in xml (even image in base64)
[23:28] <nubae> so files can be transfered via xmpp easily or stored on websites, etc
[23:28] <dgroos> TCM-NG coming along, cool!  Are you including FreeNX code?  NX is amazing VNC.
[23:28] <nubae> I calculate another 2 weeks, and it'll be finished
[23:28] <Lns> dgroos: no, nx isn't really going to be the way to go for the short term at least..we can turn on vnc (vino) directly via gconf as it is so it's much easier to implement
[23:29] <nubae> its kind of like a very simple lesson plan creator, which teacher can create in matter of minutes
[23:29] <nubae> for any subject matter
[23:29] <alkisg> Lns: will need some patching about the vino port in an LTSP environment, though
[23:29] <dgroos> sure.
[23:29] <Lns> nubae: good luck on that, keep us posted =)
[23:29] <nubae> think of school when u had to name the parts of a flower for example, by filling in the parts in an image
[23:29] <Lns> alkisg: ?
[23:29] <alkisg> Lns, you can't have 10 users using port 5900 in the same server
[23:30] <alkisg> So they'd have to use 5900, 5901, 5902 etc
[23:30] <nubae> that sounds like an easy enough patch though
[23:30] <alkisg> Have a look at ica-launcher and italc-launcher, stgraber even uses avahi to publish the service on the network
[23:31]  * alkisg thinks all this dev power would be better invested in italc :-/
[23:31] <nubae> well, isnt italc sort of a finished product?
[23:32] <nubae> lns project is more ltsp specific I take it
[23:33] <alkisg> No, italc needs some improvement. E.g. there's only one dev, and he's looking to use a vnclib instead of directly using vnc for speed reasons, but he doesn't have too much free time...
[23:33] <alkisg> Also, it operates in mixed os environments, which is nice
[23:38] <alkisg> Here are some of the things he's done/will be doing for italc 2.0: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=200812281333.43713.tobias.doerffel@gmail.com&forum_name=italc-devel
[23:49] <Lns> nubae: tcm is definitely a bit more thin-client geared
[23:50] <Lns> but it would work with any system using local X (multi-user systems)
[23:50] <Lns> user sessions on same box that is
[23:50] <sbalneav> Evening all
[23:51] <alkisg> Hi sbalneav
[23:51] <Lns> hey scottie =)
[23:53] <dgroos> gotta go--see you around (so to say)
[23:53] <Lns> alkisg: tcm-ng dynamically allocates ports for vnc
[23:54] <alkisg> Lns: nice!
[23:57] <Lns> basically when you request to view/control a user session it turns on vino via gconf then connects..so that way it doesn't even waste resources using vnc while you're not connecting to it :)
[23:57] <Lns> and is a bit more "secure"
[23:59] <alkisg> Will that work with localapps?
[23:59] <alkisg> ...because I think gconf and localapps don't mix well :-/