=== Whitor is now known as Whi-afk [00:39] Just installed karmic alpha4 and am unable to connect to wireless connections (secured or unsecured). Wireless card is Intel wireless/Pro 4965AGN. [00:47] James147: yeh [00:47] i had that too [00:48] there any workaround or fix? [00:49] i just plugged in an external wifi card until it gets resolved but i remember looking into it. i think possibly the firmware location was incorrect. [00:50] maybe that was on one of my other boxes [00:50] have a look in the logs [00:50] if thats the case you will see it complaining [00:50] where are the logs? [00:52] \/var/log/messages [00:56] looks like the fireware loaded fine [00:56] firmware ^^ [00:56] oh ok, maybe i am imaging it then. [00:57] you ubuntu or kubuntu [00:57] ? [00:59] kubuntu [01:02] are you using the knetworkmanager systray app ? [01:02] yeah [01:03] are you fully up to date ? [01:03] dosent seem to be doing anything [01:03] its a fresh install of alpha 4... no updates (need network for that ;) ) [01:03] thats why [01:03] until sat night it wasn't working at all [01:03] in any version of kubuntu [01:03] maybe it was friday [01:03] anyway [01:04] when you update it will work [01:05] the question now is how do you update without an internet connection? [01:05] well you have to physically plug it in [01:05] ethernet port is completely broken, wireless is the only option :( [01:05] do the older version of karmic work? [01:06] no [01:06] you can install nm-applet [01:06] which is the gnome client [01:06] but you need a network for that too [01:06] I know, will try [01:06] there is the cli app [01:06] that will prolly work [01:07] installing packages from a usb live is teh same as for a cdrom live disk? [01:07] if you have the same structure yes [01:08] it need to be mounted in /mount/cdrom? [01:13] no, you just need to place the correct path in your sources file [01:15] well, dvdrebuilder feature of queuing projects does not work well in wine. Thus, i will have to use my windows desktop to re-encode dvd9 to dvd5 because i don't want poor quality i would get with a non CCE encoder [01:22] spO ok === Whi-afk is now known as Whitor [01:56] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/411688 [01:56] Launchpad bug 411688 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio floods network with multicast packets" [Undecided,New] [02:21] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7835999#post7835999 [03:06] oh hey, I figured out where my last 100 megabytes of RAM go: it's "hardware reserved". [03:11] linux will grab all of your ram and cache it [03:13] linux won't operate for more than a few seconds or minutes on a system with bad ram [03:15] Who are you talking to? I didn't say anything about bad ram. =P [03:15] I was referring to when I had previously asked: [03:15] "hmm, I have 4 gigs (4096 megabytes) of RAM in my box; why does Linux see only somewhere over 3 gigs? [03:16] I think it's like 3972, or something like that. [03:16] DanaG, i was just making the point that it's normal for linux to use all of your ram [03:16] ah, yeah, I have 3996 megs usable, according to Windows. [03:16] I wonder what that "hardware reserved" bit is all about. [03:17] s/bit/thing/ [03:32] just updated my laptop to Karmic... sadly, my SD card reader no longer works (though I see "tifm_core: MMC/SD card detected in socket 0:1" in /var/log/messages). DeviceKit-disks issue I assume? Anyone have debug tips? [03:35] ... never mind, it worked on the 2nd try. *shrug* and I found the "devkit-disks" command which seems to have plenty of debug utility. [03:51] ugh, pulseaudio insists on starting with all devices muted. [03:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/pulseaudio/+bug/352732 [03:54] Launchpad bug 352732 in pulseaudio "[jaunty] Sound muted after boot" [Undecided,Confirmed] [03:57] DanaG are you using 32Bits or 64Bits? [03:57] 64-bit. [03:57] hmmm.. you should see all your ram... curious.. [03:58] yeah, but that's different. it's not being held back because of mathematical limits [03:58] It sees 3866 in Linux. [03:59] In Windows, it sees 3996. [04:00] er, that's M. [04:00] 3958864 bytes. [04:03] or rather, kilobytes. [04:03] linux sees all of your ram, reporting 3.8Gs of 4.0 is not an issue [04:04] if you type free in cli what does it output? [04:04] total used free shared buffers cached [04:04] Mem: 3958864 2436472 1522392 0 120812 852396 [04:04] it's perfect! [04:04] yeah it is showing 3.9Gs what kind of video card are you running? [04:05] Discrete, with 256 megs video RAM. [04:05] discrete? [04:05] free -m gives Mem: 3866 2382 1483 0 120 835 [04:05] as in ? [04:05] as in separate, not onboard/integrated. [04:05] he's using fglrx [04:05] right [04:06] 3866 megabytes. Windows sees 3996. [04:06] Mem: 3962 2329 1633 0 198 1037 [04:06] and I use a nvidia 9500gt [04:07] Mem: 3899 1657 2242 0 226 823 [04:07] It seems odd to me that it changes the "available" part. [04:08] what quality are your ram modules? [04:08] why am I showing more available ram than you guys? [04:08] Oddly enough, the resource monitor in Vista said that I had 4096, with 100MB "Hardware Reserved". [04:08] [ 34.917462] [fglrx] Reserved FB block: Unshared offset:fc32000, size:3c9000 [04:09] [ 34.917464] [fglrx] Reserved FB block: Unshared offset:fffb000, size:5000 [04:09] ask linus [04:10] oh yeah, and previous 3 lines: [04:10] [ 34.917451] [fglrx] Gart USWC size:1207 M. [04:10] [ 34.917454] [fglrx] Gart cacheable size:479 M. [04:10] [ 34.917459] [fglrx] Reserved FB block: Shared offset:0, size:1000000 [04:10] bios settings perhaps? [04:11] if there is a bios setting that applies, i haven't found it [04:11] this ishn't a laptop [04:11] http://h20464.www2.hp.com/results.htm?SID=3781677&MEID=C864490D-FA4D-4A84-B608-FF42E4BB5347 -- flash thingamajigger that shows the BIOS settings available. [04:13] 7.7 G on 9.04 64 bit (system monitor) [04:14] Mem: 8083236 [04:16] -m 7893 [04:18] DanaG, where did you see this "hardware reserved" message? [04:18] That was under Win7, in the Resource Monitor thingy. [04:20] i think this might be a mathematical issue [04:35] any ideas how to look up really really slow dns lookup times? [04:35] switch to opendns [04:36] bjsnider: 9.04, windows are fine - 9.10 isn't [04:36] windows is fine [04:46] DanaG: kernel is loaded into memory , that is why you see the difference [04:50] ah, is the difference exactly the size of the kernel? [04:51] DanaG: yes [04:52] I see... so Windows just puts the kernel in the "used" part; Linux subtracts from the total. [04:52] mac_v: what happens if you don't have that much ram? [04:52] hehe , i had the same "worry" , then went digging into the cause and found out kernel size = memory less displayed [04:53] MTeck: i dont think there can ever be less , kernel takes little of the available , but i'm just guessing [04:54] mac_v: what I mean is if the system only has 64MB RAM [04:54] It can't load the whole kernel into ram [04:54] MTeck: thats why we have minimum requirement , and pupy linux [04:54] mac_v: I've run Ubuntu on 64mb [04:55] heck, I've seen it done in 16mb a year or two ago [04:55] as i said , for your question i'm just guessing , but the less memory shown is due to kernel [04:56] maybe kernel loads only when there is enough memory to spare ... also another guess ;) [04:57] that would make sense [04:58] 3996-3866 = 130. [04:58] I doubt the kernel is that big. [04:59] it's not :P [05:00] =þ [05:00] DanaG: when install/uninstall a kernel , it will show the kernel size is around 100MiB [05:00] That includes modules, though. [05:00] always >100 [05:00] the kernel core itself is vmlinux. [05:01] I'm not sure how modules factor into the "free". [05:01] it's amazing how small the kernel is is - especially for how much code work goes into it [05:01] DanaG: i found the ans via google ;) [05:01] how how big the diff files are [05:12] solved slow dns lookup [05:13] removed domain HomeNetML search HomeNetML nameserver 192.168.5.1 from /etc/resolv.conf [05:13] not sure which one fixed it [05:17] hey folks, latest update of nvidia-185 errors out with 'screen(s) found but none with usable configuration' in Xorg.0.log. I have nothing in xorg.log. Nothing else has been changed. Any clues? [05:18] er, s/xorg.log/xorg.conf [05:18] howdy yall. how is the new distro coming along? is it stable? [05:19] zaccour, it could be for some peoples configuration and for some not. And it could break next week, or be stable next week. [05:20] durt, how is it for you? [05:20] broken [05:20] i upgraded from jaunty today and i like the way the nvidia driver works better [05:20] in other words, it's still in developement and is still changing [05:21] i had to list snd_intel8x0 in /etc/modules to get my sound working again [05:22] thanks === gbs-wes is now known as bazookatooth === CarlFK1 is now known as CarlFK === albech_ is now known as albech [07:06] Hi. I have serious problems with the Nvidia driver (installed with envyng). The problem exists since Jaunty why I tried Karmic. This is a ThinkPad T61 and the screen freezes (black) when starting. As mentioned before I had the same issue with Jaunty. [07:07] i installed Version: 185.18.36-0ubuntu1 with apt-get and it works flawlessly for me [07:09] bucky, ok. What's the name of the package you installed? [07:35] dergringo, nvidia-glx-185 [07:36] bucky, thank you [07:37] dergringo, try to uninstall the other driver if you can first [07:37] dergringo, hopefully envyng has an option for that.. [07:38] man envyng [07:38] bucky, I wasn't able to boot the recovery mode. So I just did a fresh install ;( [07:39] i had to set it up with sudo nvidia-xconfig and restart X after the install [07:40] dergringo ^^ [07:42] ok - so now I need to figure out how to make 192.168.5.1 show up in resolv.conf [07:42] any ideas how? [07:43] When that's listed in there - dns resolve time is really really long [07:43] MTeck, "to show up"? Do you want to set a manual DNS entry? [07:43] ya [07:43] MTeck, add it to /etc/hosts [07:44] how do I do that? [07:44] -> 1.2.3.4 www.example.com [07:44] hu? [07:44] no [07:44] sudo nano /etc/hosts [07:44] I don't want to add a dns entry for every place I might go [07:45] why do you need dns entries for things? [07:45] oh yeah, handy hint: check out dnsmasq. [07:45] You can run a local caching dns server. [07:45] the local router is making dns lookup take a very long time [07:45] hmm, what sort of router? [07:46] belkin [07:46] bucky, ok so I install nvidia-glx-185, then run nvidia-xconfig and then restart X. right? [07:46] If I remove that line in resolv.conf then everything zips along [07:48] argh, why does policykit no longer allow "remember authentication"? [07:49] no ideas then? [07:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-gnome/+bug/371019 [07:49] Launchpad bug 371019 in policykit-kde "software updates password remember order wrong" [Medium,Confirmed] [07:50] MTeck, set up a dns server [07:52] Damn. Black Screen again [07:53] dergringo: a relatively useless suggestion.. [07:53] roaming system... [07:53] no, you can have dnsmasq on your box itself. [07:54] hmm, try to figure out if you can run dd-wrt or "tomato" on the router. [07:54] "tomato" is more stable, but less fancy. [07:54] * MTeck walks away [07:56] I used to be stuck with a Netgear router that either refused to give me an IP address, or gave me the same IP address another system was already using. [07:57] I finally just had to ditch the thing and get a new router. [07:58] Sehr gut [07:58] IRSSI is the be client ever:O [07:58] Hhello everyone. [07:58] *hello [07:59] all better :) [07:59] tomato ftw ;) [07:59] Cyberkilla: please don't spam this channel [08:00] im impressed with karmics performance with the latest version of vbox [08:00] and 384mb of ram [08:00] 64bit? [08:00] I just setup prepend on the system. I'm not going to make the router better - so I setup opendns do be the first listed [08:01] now I need to fix the left alt key and I'll be happy with karmic [08:01] dergringo: ya on windows vista 64bit host os with vbox 64bit and 64bit karmic [08:02] the 9.10 crashes when i try to enter the key short cuts [08:02] How do I set a shortcut for "show the desktop"? :) [08:02] sweet didnt know the installer gota revamp when you go stright to the installation process instead of booting to the desktop === spOO` is now known as spO === Mandrew_ is now known as Mandrew [08:27] brb === steve_ is now known as |ns|nR8 [09:14] anyone tried wine1.2 ? === spOO` is now known as spO === TuxPurple_ is now known as TuxPurple [09:45] Every time, when I turn off computer, I leave Quassel as full screen, to find it full screen when I boot next time. But, although some other apps comes back as full screen, Quassel comes resized. I should press full screen button after every boot. I use Kubuntu Karmic Alpha. Is it Quassel's problem, or Kubuntu's? [10:40] Hi, previously there was a restore grub option when we boot the liveCD, why is it gone, please? [11:17] Hi, what will be the default IRC client installed with Karmic? [11:18] nocturn: quassel i think [11:21] shadeslayer, quassel is for Kubuntu, it's a KDE app [11:22] nocturn: you did not mention KDE or GNOME,and since i use Kubuntu so i answered quassel [11:23] shadeslayer, I didn't mention it indeed :-) [11:30] BTW, how do you change sound effects in Ubuntu/Karmic? This dialog is completely removed, as is the visual bell setting [11:34] Hi, I activated the ati driver and now i cannot boot, I removed the xorg.conf file but still cannot boot, how can I revert back? [11:34] edgy, try removing the ati packages [11:35] edgy: you remove xorg.conf ?? :o [11:35] don't know what they are called [11:35] edgy: try the fix x thing in the recovery console [11:35] shadeslayer: that option is not available in karmic! [11:36] edgy: uh...it is [11:36] nocturn: ok I would try to find them and remove them [11:36] shadeslayer: it is not there belive me [11:36] edgy, shadeslayer is right, at grub, choose recovery [11:36] this should give you a text-meny [11:37] x-recovery is one of the items in that [11:37] nocturn: in Karmic this X option is not there anymore [11:37] shadeslayer, nocturn: I will reboot now and recheck anyway [11:38] see you sirs, [11:38] edgy: sure [11:50] What's happening? : ) [11:50] I wish someone would do a blog on the development plans. [11:51] There should be an official Ubuntu blog for all the main devs to dump their progress reports. [11:51] Cyberkilla: hehe [11:51] Is there eanything like that?: ) [11:51] Cyberkilla: www.whatbreakingtodayonubuntu.com ? [11:52] ooh [11:52] You know, I actually check that, just in case:P [11:52] haha [11:52] I can never be certain with the people in this room:) [11:53] hi, as I told you the options are only "resume, clean, dpkg, fsck, grub, netroot, root" there is no fix X option shadeslayer [11:53] I wonder what the art drop has in store. [11:53] Cyberkilla: have you seen planetubnuntu ? (cant think of anything else) [11:53] but I removed everythig with fglrx and removed the xorg.conf file and now I can boot [11:53] Hmm, I'll check it out. [11:53] Thanks [11:53] Cyberkilla: also see #ubuntu-devel [11:53] Interesting [11:54] edgy: and any other problems? [11:54] A few years ago, Ubuntu was touting XMPP as the new protocol to use. [11:54] But the quality of the clients is pretty poor. [11:54] Cyberkilla: there is a wiki too,it has everything which is completed and the wip and to do things [11:55] I've been checking the recent changes on the wiki. [11:55] Cyberkilla: :) [11:55] * shadeslayer thinks there should be a RSS feed... [11:55] shadeslayer: yes, I don't have kde now as an option in kdm! [11:55] edgy: :o [11:55] edgy: make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed [11:59] I've never warmed to KDe [11:59] *KDE [12:00] I find its interface visually displeasing. I like the crispness of GNOME, and its simplistic yet customisable approach. [12:01] shadeslayer: thanks a lot for this tip, I don't know how bu it's really not installed though it was working before, I would reinstall it and check ... [12:01] My only hate in GNOME is the notification area. That thing is terrible. The icons don't align properly, you can't hide any of them, plus the icons behave strangely if you make the panel thicker. [12:01] Cyberkilla: really? gnome as customizable? [12:01] edgy: ;) [12:01] What is it that KDE can customise that cannot be achieved in GNOME? [12:02] Cyberkilla: gnome has no proper widgets for facebook and gtalk [12:02] Cyberkilla: no widgets for a torrent manager [12:02] Cyberkilla: I remember linus spoke about printer configuration or something that is hidden in gnome, too [12:02] Widgets? I don't think that should be part of GNOME directly [12:02] Cyberkilla: no multiple wallpapers on each desktop [12:02] That isn't very useful either. [12:03] Cyberkilla: really? widgets are the way to go imho [12:03] But can be done in Compiz anyway [12:03] Cyberkilla: not as prettily as in KDE [12:03] They so aren't:P In Vista, I couldn't find a single gadget that was useful to me. [12:03] On the iPod touch, there are only ~3 apps that are of any use. [12:04] Everything has novelty value, deep down. [12:04] Like a New Mail widget... [12:04] Cyberkilla: i have 4 widgets : facebook,twitter,gtalk,desktop folder [12:04] You should be notified of new mail via proper notification subsystems. [12:04] In addition KDE3 was touted as more customisable too, but that didn't have widgets, did it? [12:05] So what the heck made that so grand?: ) [12:05] Widgets are cool though, I admit [12:05] screenlets were a bit letdown. [12:05] I would like something like the OSX dashboard, personally [12:05] Something to put stock prices on, calendar, etc. [12:05] Cyberkilla: you can do that in KDE (without the need for a seprate dock) [12:06] To me, KDE feels a bit like windows XP luna. It's chunky and inefficient. [12:06] No offense intended here. [12:06] I just can't get myself to like it. [12:06] of course [12:06] For instance... [12:06] Cyberkilla, have you tried kde4? [12:06] Cyberkilla: difference of opinion [12:07] that used to be my biggest argument against KDE3 [12:07] The taskbar of KDE has huge task buttons, but no more information than is displayed in GNOME or windows [12:07] : ) [12:07] Cyberkilla: what? have you seen stasks ? [12:07] Stacks in KDE? [12:07] Or stacks in leopard? [12:08] Cyberkilla: stasks not stacks [12:08] oh [12:08] No, I haven't. [12:08] !info plasma-widget-stasks [12:09] plasma-widget-stasks (source: plasma-widget-stasks): a task manager replacement. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu2 (karmic), package size 62 kB, installed size 224 kB [12:09] Off-topic: `htop` is a brilliant alternative to `top` btw. I found it a few days ago. [12:09] So, you can do away with the taskbar and use a widget? [12:09] Cyberkilla: the task bar is also a widget :P [12:09] That is one thing that gnome lacks atm. You can't kill the panel because it also manages keybindings (don't know why). [12:10] And, you can't kill it for another reason - you need the notification area, because some programs can't do without it. [12:10] Cyberkilla: hehe [12:10] If they could sort that out, it would be relative perfection in my opinion. [12:11] I wonder what the interface of the future will look like. [12:12] Cyberkilla: there will be no interface...we will be cyborgs [12:12] I suspect it won't look like LCARS, because it doesn't support windowing. [12:13] I would be less surprised if it was some sort of touch orientated windowing system, with a slight minority report feel to it (but not so big on the gestures, which are superfluous). [12:14] Keyboards are definitely being phased out though; certainly physical keyboards, but they will have to exist in some form or another. [12:15] The main argument is a lack of tactile feedback, but I don't think it's so bad. On my ipod touch, the keys are tiny, yet I manage to type very quickly without much effort. [12:15] That's partially due to the way it corrects mistyping, so it might be a bit harder if you're programming. [12:16] Good blog(s) that'll summarize ubuntu development? [12:16] Hi! [12:16] Do you have favourite blogs that will sift through developers blogs, mailing lists and whatnot, summarizing the interesting parts of ubuntu development for lazy people like myself? [12:16] I didn't say that:O [12:16] Magix:O [12:16] Hmm [12:18] How did you do that? The characters seem to be the same. [12:19] * shadeslayer looks at his irssi screen,its full of Cyberkilla [12:19] yes, but some of it wasn't me [12:20] How did they do that? [12:20] There were no nick changes reported to me. [12:20] Cyberkilla: well it has to be you... [12:21] Wasn't me [12:21] I don't say "Hi!" [12:25] 189 idlers. prolific [12:36] hey folks, just wondering if there are any problems with me simply installing the nvidia driver I want via apt? I normally do it manually from the nvidia website, but would be nice to have it part of apt? [12:38] dbglt: best to use jockey to install the drivers [12:39] gnomefreak: oh, jockey is still around! [12:39] I remember that, thought ubuntu wasn't using it anymore [12:39] Careful though, because the 185.18.31 drivers have artifacts for me. [12:39] I have an NVidia GeForce 8400M GT [12:39] Nobody else seems to report the problem though. [12:39] dbglt: go to System>Preference>hardware drivers [12:40] Cyberkilla: hrmm a new version is out .36 I think? [12:41] and there is a beta too... not sure if ubuntu includes that [12:42] I tried that too. [12:42] Same issie [12:42] *issue [12:42] I'm back to using the older 185.18.14 drivers now. [12:42] Cyberkilla: hrmm interesting, I've been using the new drivers and beta for a while. Other problems, but no artifacts heh [12:42] Nobody seems to have a solid reason as to why I experienced artifacts and crashing. [12:43] They mention something about a missing dependency in the new packages, but I don't buy it. [12:43] Cyberkilla: use the 190 drivers....awesome [12:43] lol, they don't work for me either. [12:43] Same artifact issue. [12:43] Strange, eg? [12:43] *eh [12:43] totally [12:44] Of course, every time the package manager pops up, it tries to get me to upgrade to the broken drivers. [12:44] But blocking them out would be bad too, as there may be updates in the near future. [12:44] shadeslayer: does ubuntu have a package for beta drivers? [12:44] It's nearly impossible to find any details on the subject though. [12:44] does it even have a package for just "generic-newest-nvidia-driver"? or still install a specific version? [12:44] The odd thing is, 185.18.36 IS the stable release of the driver. [12:44] dbglt: nope,youll have to compile them [12:44] dbglt: quite easy imho [12:44] jockey handles it [12:45] shadeslayer: do you get dkms to work with it? [12:45] shadeslayer: just hate having to do it every new kernel install [12:45] dbglt: theres an automated script to do that...hold on [12:48] oh well [12:55] Ahh what was the name again of the other dns related config file in /etc along resolv.conf and hosts? I want to change the resolve order [12:56] got it: nsswitch.conf === ripps_ is now known as ripps [14:57] Hi [14:58] I have problems whit the privative drivers, cannot install it, ¿is just my system or a buf in Karmic? [14:58] *bug [15:00] I am alone? === torocatala is now known as Neo === Neo is now known as Torocatala === Torocatala is now known as MrAnderson [15:03] You are not alone === MrAnderson is now known as Torocatala [15:07] Torocatala: answering your own question? [15:07] IdleOne, i'm doing a joke of The Kid (Animatrix) [15:11] Hiyas all [15:27] Anyone care to confirm reported by arand 14 minutes ago (Activity log) [15:27] Bug #418135: [15:27] This report is public edit [15:27] Security vulnerability [15:27] Launchpad bug 418135 in nautilus "Permissions on user home directory set to 777 after copying it via nautilus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418135 [15:28] argh, sorry [15:41] arand: is that a bug? [15:42] o wait, the source has its permissions changed, nvm [15:43] danbhfive: yea you wanna give a confirm/refute on that? Should apply to KK as well.. [15:48] arand: Im running an unupdated alpha4 install of ubuntu netbook remix, and I don't see the problem [15:49]