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| iulian | Hi. | 20:01 |
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| ScottK | Hi | 20:01 |
| ScottK | Is it that time? | 20:01 |
| iulian | date -u shows 19:00 UTC so yes. | 20:01 |
| * ScottK looks around for vorian and sistpoty. | 20:02 | |
| iulian | Hello sistpoty. | 20:02 |
| ScottK | Ah. OK. vorian then. | 20:03 |
| sistpoty | hi iulian | 20:03 |
| ScottK | I'd say let's start. | 20:05 |
| sistpoty | let's go for it | 20:05 |
| iulian | OK. | 20:05 |
| ScottK | I think things generally went well last cycle. | 20:06 |
| sistpoty | agreed | 20:06 |
| iulian | Indeed. The process is the same as it was the last release, right? | 20:06 |
| iulian | Is there anyne who would like to change something? | 20:06 |
| * iulian is fine with it. | 20:06 | |
| sistpoty | I'm in favor of keeping it, it worked quite good | 20:06 |
| ScottK | iulian: Would you be up for sending a mail to ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-motu after the meeting? | 20:06 |
| ScottK | I'd like it if someone else would start attending the weekly release meetings on Fridays. | 20:07 |
| ScottK | (in addition to me) | 20:07 |
| iulian | ScottK: Yes, sure. | 20:07 |
| sistpoty | I shall try, but I can't promise due to $work obligations | 20:07 |
| iulian | Well, I'll try as well. | 20:08 |
| ScottK | That's my problem is increasing work obligations and I want to make sure someone is there. | 20:08 |
| iulian | We'll work it out. | 20:09 |
| ScottK | Do we need to make any changes in delegations? | 20:09 |
| iulian | Does anyone have the list of delegates handy? | 20:09 |
| ScottK | I'd like to make Vorian the Qt/KDE delegate for this cycle. | 20:09 |
| * sistpoty looks up what delegations we had | 20:09 | |
| sistpoty | ScottK: sounds like a good idea | 20:09 |
| iulian | ScottK: Sounds good. | 20:09 |
| sistpoty | delegates were https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000533.html | 20:11 |
| sistpoty | and an update that mr_pouit later was added for Xubuntu | 20:11 |
| Riddell | has vorian agreed to that? | 20:11 |
| ScottK | I had forgotten that it was Riddell last cycle. | 20:12 |
| ScottK | Riddell: How do you feel about it? | 20:12 |
| Riddell | if vorian agrees to it that's great, but last I heard he was busy with work | 20:13 |
| ScottK | OK. | 20:13 |
| ScottK | We can make it tentative pending his agreement. | 20:13 |
| sistpoty | Riddell: would you mind acting as fallback then? | 20:14 |
| Riddell | I assume we're talking about universe FF exceptions | 20:14 |
| sistpoty | yep | 20:14 |
| Riddell | I can be fallback yes | 20:14 |
| Riddell | there's also plenty of other ninjas who could be suitable | 20:15 |
| sistpoty | cool :) | 20:15 |
| vorian | hehe | 20:16 |
| vorian | rr | 20:16 |
| iulian | Hey vorian! | 20:16 |
| vorian | here, is what I meant | 20:16 |
| vorian | sorry for being late | 20:16 |
| sistpoty | hi vorian | 20:16 |
| vorian | howdy iulian and sistpoty | 20:16 |
| vorian | Riddell: i've been busy moving, i'll be must less busy starting today | 20:16 |
| vorian | s/must/much | 20:16 |
| Riddell | super | 20:17 |
| ScottK | vorian: So you're up for it then? | 20:17 |
| vorian | ScottK: sure, that would be great | 20:17 |
| sistpoty | excellent | 20:17 |
| sistpoty | next up, mythbuntu superm1 again? | 20:18 |
| iulian | Sounds good, yes. | 20:19 |
| vorian | agreed, if he's up to id | 20:19 |
| sistpoty | (just asking him in -motu) | 20:19 |
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| sistpoty | he agrees :) | 20:20 |
| iulian | It seems that he has just agreed. | 20:20 |
| vorian | excellent :) | 20:20 |
| sistpoty | cody-somerville for xubuntu again? | 20:20 |
| sistpoty | cody-somerville: how about being motu-release delegate again for xubuntu? | 20:21 |
| cody-somerville | sistpoty, Sure. I'd also recommend mr_pouit to be a delegate as well. | 20:21 |
| iulian | He is, as far as I know. | 20:21 |
| ScottK | Yes. mr. puit too. | 20:21 |
| ScottK | Or however you spell that (sorry) | 20:21 |
| sistpoty | cody-somerville: right, same as last cycle... I even wrote that here and already forgot again *g* | 20:21 |
| cody-somerville | :) | 20:22 |
| sistpoty | must be dinner draining all my blood from the brain *g* | 20:22 |
| iulian | Heh | 20:22 |
| sistpoty | asac for mozilla team again? (iirc there was a backup there as well) | 20:23 |
| ScottK | fta maybe? | 20:23 |
| iulian | fta maybe? | 20:23 |
| iulian | Oh. | 20:23 |
| sistpoty | heh, yes, exactly | 20:23 |
| iulian | OK, fta agreed as well. | 20:26 |
| iulian | Ubuntu studio - luisbg and _MMA_? | 20:28 |
| sistpoty | ubuntustudio: luisbg and _MMA_ again? | 20:28 |
| * sistpoty bows to iulian :) | 20:29 | |
| sistpoty | +1 | 20:29 |
| vorian | haha, love the timing | 20:29 |
| iulian | +1 from me too. | 20:29 |
| vorian | sounds good, +1 | 20:29 |
| ScottK | +1 | 20:29 |
| iulian | I think we should have mailed them before the meeting. | 20:30 |
| iulian | Anyway, it looks like they are all online, that's cool. | 20:31 |
| sistpoty | (almost) | 20:31 |
| iulian | Well, yea. | 20:31 |
| sistpoty | gnome: seb128? iirc he proposed to use ubuntu-desktop ml as point of contact last time | 20:33 |
| iulian | So, does that mean we should mail ubuntu-desktop to find out who will be the delegate for gnome? | 20:35 |
| * sistpoty must admit he prefers a person who's responsible in the end, but that person could of course delegate tasks further down the line | 20:36 | |
| ScottK | Maybe we don't have one. | 20:36 |
| ScottK | I'm not comfortable delegating to a list. | 20:36 |
| * ScottK doesn't know enough about who does Gnome stuff to have alternative suggestions. | 20:36 | |
| vorian | heh, that's what I was just thinking | 20:36 |
| sistpoty | let's ask on ubuntu-desktop ml as iulian suggested, and reach the decision who shall be delegate by mail, ok? | 20:38 |
| vorian | sounds good | 20:38 |
| ScottK | OK | 20:39 |
| iulian | I'll write the e-mail if nobody steps in. | 20:40 |
| ScottK | Great. | 20:40 |
| sistpoty | thanks iulian | 20:40 |
| ScottK | I think that's it. | 20:40 |
| sistpoty | netbook/MID? | 20:40 |
| iulian | Netbook, MID? | 20:40 |
| ScottK | StevenK. | 20:40 |
| sistpoty | +1 | 20:41 |
| iulian | +1 | 20:41 |
| vorian | +1 :) | 20:41 |
| sistpoty | anyone to ask him? (he seems afk right now) | 20:41 |
| sistpoty | <- lives in a bad time zone for that *g* | 20:41 |
| vorian | i'll prolly be up when he wakes up | 20:42 |
| sistpoty | heh, thanks | 20:42 |
| vorian | :) no problemo | 20:42 |
| iulian | Cool. | 20:42 |
| sistpoty | server ScottK again? | 20:42 |
| vorian | i don't trust him | 20:42 |
| vorian | :P | 20:42 |
| sistpoty | haha | 20:43 |
| iulian | :) | 20:43 |
| vorian | +1 if he's up to it | 20:43 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: can you ask ScottK if he's up for -server again? | 20:43 |
| sistpoty | *g* | 20:43 |
| vorian | hehe | 20:43 |
| * sistpoty imagines changing hats now | 20:44 | |
| iulian | sistpoty: He is still looking for him, be patient. | 20:44 |
| sistpoty | heh | 20:44 |
| iulian | Let's move on to Edubuntu in the mean time. | 20:47 |
| iulian | LaserJock? | 20:47 |
| ScottK | I'm up for it | 20:47 |
| iulian | OK, cool. | 20:47 |
| sistpoty | does anyone know if he already got his PhD? if not laserjock should really be working on his thesis :P | 20:48 |
| mhall119|work | I think he just got it recently | 20:48 |
| sistpoty | oh, nice! | 20:48 |
| iulian | Wonderful. | 20:48 |
| vorian | yeah, and he's moving to MA | 20:48 |
| sistpoty | oh, so is he avail atm? or busy moving? | 20:49 |
| vorian | i'm not sure when he's moving | 20:49 |
| vorian | maybe stgraber should be considered as well | 20:50 |
| sistpoty | just thought that as well | 20:50 |
| ScottK | He did get his PhD. | 20:50 |
| ScottK | I'd say let's not delegate anyone. | 20:50 |
| vorian | ok | 20:50 |
| ScottK | AFAICT, Edubuntu is essentially dead ATM. | 20:51 |
| sistpoty | oh... :/ then no delegation seems best | 20:51 |
| vorian | morgs has been keeping up with sugar stuff last I could tell, i guess we can handle that though | 20:51 |
| mhall119|work | ScottK: that's not what I was hearing this morning, there's a big effort to revive it with Karmic | 20:51 |
| ScottK | mhall119|work: I'll believe it when I see work being done. | 20:52 |
| mhall119|work | 12:13 < highvoltage> mhall119|work: we've been putting the pieces togeher and have been listening to our users more, this next release will be more like a 1.0 release again | 20:52 |
| ScottK | OK. | 20:52 |
| mhall119|work | not sure what actual work has been done, but #edubuntu is usually pretty active | 20:53 |
| ScottK | Well if they need FFe the can ask and if it's clear we can delegate to someone, then we can do it when it's clear who. | 20:53 |
| sistpoty | sounds sane, and we can always ask stgraber or laserjock for input on FFe bugs, once there are any :) | 20:54 |
| iulian | That'd be great. | 20:54 |
| vorian | good good | 20:54 |
| sistpoty | any other team that should have a delegate? | 20:55 |
| mhall119|work | someone in #edubuntu just confirmed that LaserJock is between internet connections, I'm guessing because of the move | 20:55 |
| ScottK | OK. Thanks. We can discuss it with him when he reappears. | 20:56 |
| iulian | These are all the teams if I'm not wrong. | 20:57 |
| ScottK | I think so. | 20:57 |
| * sistpoty just checked what -devel mailing lists we actually have, and think all are covered :) | 20:57 | |
| sistpoty | so, we'll leave the procedure as is? 2 acks for an FFe to be valid? | 20:58 |
| sistpoty | how did we handle new package exceptions again? 2 acks as well, or did we require s.th. else? | 20:59 |
| ScottK | Yes and new upstream releases that are bugfix only, just need a bug for documentation, no FFe. | 20:59 |
| sistpoty | right | 20:59 |
| ScottK | New packages also needed an ack from an archive admin they could look at it. | 20:59 |
| sbalneav | Hello, looking for someone from Edubuntu? | 20:59 |
| ScottK | motu-release should get the aa ack so they don't get inundated. | 21:00 |
| * highvoltage also saw the ping in #edubuntu | 21:00 | |
| sistpoty | ScottK: right, sounds sane | 21:00 |
| sistpoty | hi sbalneav and highvoltage | 21:00 |
| highvoltage | hi sistpoty | 21:00 |
| iulian | OK, sounds good. | 21:00 |
| ScottK | Also for a new package there should be a good reason tied to a planned feature of the release. | 21:01 |
| sistpoty | we've been discussing motu-release delegations and wondered wether edubuntu is still alive and if we'll hence need a delegate for universe freeze exceptions | 21:01 |
| sbalneav | Still alive. :) | 21:01 |
| ScottK | And who is leading Edubuntu development to be a likely candidate. | 21:01 |
| sbalneav | highvoltage: ? I'm not even a motu, as most of my stuff's in ppa. You or LaserJock? | 21:02 |
| sbalneav | LaserJock for sure. | 21:02 |
| ScottK | OK. Well let's wait for LaserJock to reappear then. | 21:03 |
| highvoltage | It would between LaserJock and stgraber, I'm applying for MOTU soon, but I'm not one myself yet | 21:03 |
| highvoltage | ScottK: LaserJock is busy moving and may be unavailable for a few days, if this is urgent, please let me know, stgraber is a core-dev so he can handle any emergencies | 21:03 |
| sistpoty | yep, agreed ScottK | 21:03 |
| ScottK | highvoltage: It can wait a few days. | 21:04 |
| highvoltage | ok, sbalneav and I will keep note and ping LaserJock when he returns | 21:04 |
| sistpoty | thanks! | 21:04 |
| ScottK | Anyone know how the o-caml transition is going? | 21:04 |
| ScottK | ghc6 is done except ia64 is broken and likely to remain that way. | 21:05 |
| sistpoty | no idea to be honest | 21:05 |
| ScottK | iulian: Could you hunt down status on that? | 21:05 |
| ScottK | boost transitions are done. | 21:05 |
| iulian | Laney should know more about it, I believe. I'll have a word with him. | 21:05 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 21:06 |
| Laney | I'm here | 21:06 |
| Laney | what's up? | 21:06 |
| ScottK | Any other major movements in progress we should know about? | 21:06 |
| sistpoty | is there a ffmpeg transition needed? | 21:06 |
| iulian | Laney: Excellent, could you please tell us what's the status of the o-caml transition? | 21:06 |
| Laney | I assume you mean Haskell | 21:06 |
| ScottK | I thought we were doing both. | 21:06 |
| ScottK | I know Haskell is done. | 21:07 |
| Laney | OCaml is done as far as I know, but I'm nothing to do with that | 21:07 |
| Laney | try geser I believe | 21:07 |
| ScottK | Who was doing that one? | 21:07 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 21:07 |
| ScottK | iulian: ^^ | 21:07 |
| Laney | There was a "done" message to u-d-d the other day | 21:07 |
| iulian | Ah-ha. | 21:07 |
| Laney | Haskell: http://cs.nott.ac.uk/~ial/graph.pdf | 21:07 |
| Laney | there are various problems due to other arches being out of sync but they will be solved with give-backs | 21:08 |
| ScottK | Laney: Do you need any help with that? | 21:08 |
| Laney | ScottK: Maybe, I've not run the stats yet | 21:08 |
| Laney | cjwatson helped me with ppc by repeately giving back all FTBFS until it caught up | 21:09 |
| ScottK | OK. If you need more givebacks, I can do them. | 21:09 |
| Laney | cool | 21:09 |
| Laney | The other remaining problem is IA64, and you can see status of that in debian bug 539789 | 21:09 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: as in mass-givebacks? cool! | 21:09 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 539789 in ghc6 "FTBFS on ia64" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/539789 | 21:09 |
| ScottK | sistpoty: I have to do it the hard way via LP. | 21:10 |
| Laney | Debian is considering p-a-sing GHC for now | 21:10 |
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| Laney | I'm following it | 21:10 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: oh, I guess I can do that, too... or at least could do it last cycle | 21:10 |
| ScottK | You can | 21:10 |
| Laney | any MOTU can do it | 21:10 |
| sistpoty | hm... ffmpeg-extra is still in new, and if I read it right, we'll need a transition there as well: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-August/028747.html | 21:14 |
| ScottK | Probably. | 21:14 |
| ScottK | Can you chat with siretart about it and see what his plan is? | 21:14 |
| ScottK | sistpoty: ^^ | 21:14 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: sure, can do. (though he's on vac the next 3 weeks, but I guess he'll be online tomorrow :)) | 21:15 |
| ScottK | Well if he's gone that long I hope he has someone working on this in the mean time. | 21:15 |
| ScottK | I also went through most of the R packages and updated them so for R we should be in good shape. | 21:15 |
| ScottK | Anyone have anything else? | 21:17 |
| sistpoty | we recieved our first request for a standing ffe already (audacity) | 21:17 |
| sistpoty | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2009-August/006079.html | 21:18 |
| ScottK | Isn't that one historically troubling? | 21:18 |
| ScottK | Or am I thinking of another one. | 21:18 |
| vorian | yikes, that's cutting it a bit close | 21:18 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: you're thinking of audacious, I guess | 21:18 |
| sistpoty | at least I first thought of audacious *g* | 21:19 |
| ScottK | COuld be. | 21:19 |
| sistpoty | hm... audacity is seeded for ubuntu-studio cd's? | 21:20 |
| sistpoty | I guess I'd really like to hear input from luisbg on it then | 21:20 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 21:21 |
| iulian | Yea, it is. | 21:21 |
| * siretart reads my name? | 21:22 | |
| sistpoty | siretart: do we need a transition for ffmpeg(-extra)? | 21:22 |
| siretart | sistpoty: yes, but it is really straight forward | 21:22 |
| siretart | sistpoty: the only effective change is a shlibs change from -unstripped- to -extra-, so a simple rebuild is enough | 21:23 |
| ScottK | siretart: Who's going to coordinate it (I understand you're going on vac)? | 21:23 |
| sistpoty | I guess I could do that | 21:23 |
| ScottK | Excellent. | 21:23 |
| siretart | ScottK: yes, that's right. I'll be away for about 3 weeks | 21:24 |
| siretart | sistpoty: thanks! | 21:24 |
| sistpoty | np ;) | 21:24 |
| ScottK | siretart: Have a nice vacation. | 21:24 |
| siretart | btw, I've seen 'audacity' | 21:24 |
| siretart | if you are considering updating to 1.3.8 (the latest upstream release, we have 1.3.7), I'd suggest to not do that | 21:24 |
| sistpoty | oh? | 21:25 |
| siretart | the 1.3.8 release doesn't work with our ffmpeg 0.5 release, but needs a newer ffmpeg that we are not going to ship | 21:25 |
| siretart | there is discussion about this upstream right now | 21:25 |
| sistpoty | bdrung_: ^^ | 21:25 |
| sistpoty | :/ | 21:25 |
| siretart | he is the one that started this discussion upstream | 21:25 |
| sistpoty | ah, I see | 21:26 |
| siretart | so bdrung is perfectly aware of that :-) | 21:26 |
| bdrung_ | yes, i started this discussion and the ffe request. | 21:26 |
| siretart | ok | 21:26 |
| bdrung_ | if someone want's to play with 1.3.8 he/she can grab it from the git repo or my ppa | 21:26 |
| siretart | then you are all aware of the problem with ffmpeg. that's what I wanted to make sure | 21:27 |
| bdrung_ | yes. i tried to write a patch, but i failed. | 21:27 |
| sistpoty | thanks for the info! | 21:27 |
| sistpoty | oh, how do we generally want to handle standing FFe-requests for karmic? consensus from everyone? | 21:29 |
| ScottK | Consensus. | 21:30 |
| vorian | sounds good | 21:30 |
| iulian | +1 | 21:31 |
| ScottK | It sounds to me like audacity is a no go for now. | 21:31 |
| siretart | ScottK: ffmpeg is not a strict dependencies, it is even loaded via dlopen() only. | 21:31 |
| ScottK | OK, but that issue ought to get sorted first. | 21:32 |
| siretart | ScottK: still, I'd consider lack of avcodec support a serious regression. OTOH, I have to admit that I'm only a very casual audacity user | 21:32 |
| ScottK | We also do want to hear from ubuntu studio on the question. | 21:32 |
| sistpoty | yep, let's wait a bit for further input | 21:33 |
| siretart | yes, that would make most sense | 21:33 |
| sistpoty | bdrung_: ok with that? | 21:33 |
| siretart | bdrung_: do you still want 1.3.8 uploaded to experimental? I can see to do the upload tomorrow, if you are OK | 21:34 |
| bdrung_ | sistpoty: yes. | 21:34 |
| sistpoty | bdrung_: thanks! | 21:34 |
| bdrung_ | siretart: having 1.3.8 in experimental would be good. i have to write a readme.debian and then it would be suitable. | 21:35 |
| siretart | OK | 21:35 |
| sistpoty | siretart: btw.: I'd have a pending upload of min12xxw on mentors should you have too much time *g* | 21:35 |
| bdrung_ | if someone is interested in the upstream response: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4A8DE8C2.9010606%40gmail.com&forum_name=audacity-devel | 21:35 |
| siretart | OK :) | 21:35 |
| sistpoty | thanks! | 21:35 |
| iulian | Hmm, it seems that the MOTU Release Charter hasn't been touched for some time now. Are there any questions regarding the charter? | 21:37 |
| iulian | I should probably mention it in the mail as well. | 21:37 |
| ScottK | iulian: I don't think it needs mentioning. | 21:38 |
| sistpoty | having reread the charter right now, it still looks good to me | 21:39 |
| iulian | Thought it would be good, just as a reminder. | 21:39 |
| sistpoty | anything else to discuss? | 21:40 |
| ScottK | Well I think it was an interesting excercise, but doesn't have a lot of bearing on what we do/don't do. | 21:40 |
| ScottK | Not from me. | 21:40 |
| iulian | ScottK: OK. | 21:40 |
| iulian | sistpoty: I'm good too. | 21:40 |
| sistpoty | vorian: how about you? | 21:41 |
| iulian | I'll write the mail tomorrow morning. It's getting late here and I should be heading to bed now. | 21:41 |
| iulian | Is there anything else I should mention in the mail? | 21:41 |
| iulian | i.e. something we didn't discuss here? | 21:42 |
| ScottK | Don't think so. | 21:42 |
| iulian | OK. | 21:42 |
| sistpoty | iulian: I guess we should also have a mail to ubuntu-devel-announce pointing to the FFe procedure and mentioning FF and stuff. Last time I coordinated this with slangasek | 21:43 |
| iulian | sistpoty: I'm fine with it. Please coordinate with slangasek. | 21:44 |
| vorian | late no, sorry :) | 21:45 |
| iulian | I'll send the minutes of this meeting to ubuntu-devel and -motu. | 21:45 |
| sistpoty | ok, will do | 21:45 |
| sistpoty | thanks a lot iulian! | 21:45 |
| vorian | thanks iulian :) | 21:45 |
| sistpoty | ok, then I guess the meeting is closed :) | 21:47 |
| iulian | Thanks everyone! | 21:47 |
| * iulian heads to bed. | 21:47 | |
| iulian | Good night. | 21:47 |
| sistpoty | yeah, thanks everyone and good night iulian | 21:47 |
| * sistpoty is off again, cya | 21:47 | |
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