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[20:01] <iulian> Hi.
[20:01] <ScottK> Hi
[20:01] <ScottK> Is it that time?
[20:01] <iulian> date -u shows 19:00 UTC so yes.
[20:02]  * ScottK looks around for vorian and sistpoty.
[20:02] <iulian> Hello sistpoty.
[20:03] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.  vorian then.
[20:03] <sistpoty> hi iulian
[20:05] <ScottK> I'd say let's start.
[20:05] <sistpoty> let's go for it
[20:05] <iulian> OK.
[20:06] <ScottK> I think things generally went well last cycle.
[20:06] <sistpoty> agreed
[20:06] <iulian> Indeed.  The process is the same as it was the last release, right?
[20:06] <iulian> Is there anyne who would like to change something?
[20:06]  * iulian is fine with it.
[20:06] <sistpoty> I'm in favor of keeping it, it worked quite good
[20:06] <ScottK> iulian: Would you be up for sending a mail to ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-motu after the meeting?
[20:07] <ScottK> I'd like it if someone else would start attending the weekly release meetings on Fridays.
[20:07] <ScottK> (in addition to me)
[20:07] <iulian> ScottK: Yes, sure.
[20:07] <sistpoty> I shall try, but I can't promise due to $work obligations
[20:08] <iulian> Well, I'll try as well.
[20:08] <ScottK> That's my problem is increasing work obligations and I want to make sure someone is there.
[20:09] <iulian> We'll work it out.
[20:09] <ScottK> Do we need to make any changes in delegations?
[20:09] <iulian> Does anyone have the list of delegates handy?
[20:09] <ScottK> I'd like to make Vorian the Qt/KDE delegate for this cycle.
[20:09]  * sistpoty looks up what delegations we had
[20:09] <sistpoty> ScottK: sounds like a good idea
[20:09] <iulian> ScottK: Sounds good.
[20:11] <sistpoty> delegates were https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000533.html
[20:11] <sistpoty> and an update that mr_pouit later was added for Xubuntu
[20:11] <Riddell> has vorian agreed to that?
[20:12] <ScottK> I had forgotten that it was Riddell last cycle.
[20:12] <ScottK> Riddell: How do you feel about it?
[20:13] <Riddell> if vorian agrees to it that's great, but last I heard he was busy with work
[20:13] <ScottK> OK.
[20:13] <ScottK> We can make it tentative pending his agreement.
[20:14] <sistpoty> Riddell: would you mind acting as fallback then?
[20:14] <Riddell> I assume we're talking about universe FF exceptions
[20:14] <sistpoty> yep
[20:14] <Riddell> I can be fallback yes
[20:15] <Riddell> there's also plenty of other ninjas who could be suitable
[20:15] <sistpoty> cool :)
[20:16] <vorian> hehe
[20:16] <vorian> rr
[20:16] <iulian> Hey vorian!
[20:16] <vorian> here, is what I meant
[20:16] <vorian> sorry for being late
[20:16] <sistpoty> hi vorian
[20:16] <vorian> howdy iulian and sistpoty
[20:16] <vorian> Riddell: i've been busy moving, i'll be must less busy starting today
[20:16] <vorian> s/must/much
[20:17] <Riddell> super
[20:17] <ScottK> vorian: So you're up for it then?
[20:17] <vorian> ScottK: sure, that would be great
[20:17] <sistpoty> excellent
[20:18] <sistpoty> next up, mythbuntu superm1 again?
[20:19] <iulian> Sounds good, yes.
[20:19] <vorian> agreed, if he's up to id
[20:19] <sistpoty> (just asking him in -motu)
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[20:20] <sistpoty> he agrees :)
[20:20] <iulian> It seems that he has just agreed.
[20:20] <vorian> excellent :)
[20:20] <sistpoty> cody-somerville for xubuntu again?
[20:21] <sistpoty> cody-somerville: how about being motu-release delegate again for xubuntu?
[20:21] <cody-somerville> sistpoty, Sure. I'd also recommend mr_pouit to be a delegate as well.
[20:21] <iulian> He is, as far as I know.
[20:21] <ScottK> Yes.  mr. puit too.
[20:21] <ScottK> Or however you spell that (sorry)
[20:21] <sistpoty> cody-somerville: right, same as last cycle... I even wrote that here and already forgot again *g*
[20:22] <cody-somerville> :)
[20:22] <sistpoty> must be dinner draining all my blood from the brain *g*
[20:22] <iulian> Heh
[20:23] <sistpoty> asac for mozilla team again? (iirc there was a backup there as well)
[20:23] <ScottK> fta maybe?
[20:23] <iulian> fta maybe?
[20:23] <iulian> Oh.
[20:23] <sistpoty> heh, yes, exactly
[20:26] <iulian> OK, fta agreed as well.
[20:28] <iulian> Ubuntu studio - luisbg and _MMA_?
[20:28] <sistpoty> ubuntustudio: luisbg and _MMA_ again?
[20:29]  * sistpoty bows to iulian :)
[20:29] <sistpoty> +1
[20:29] <vorian> haha, love the timing
[20:29] <iulian> +1 from me too.
[20:29] <vorian> sounds good, +1
[20:29] <ScottK> +1
[20:30] <iulian> I think we should have mailed them before the meeting.
[20:31] <iulian> Anyway, it looks like they are all online, that's cool.
[20:31] <sistpoty> (almost)
[20:31] <iulian> Well, yea.
[20:33] <sistpoty> gnome: seb128? iirc he proposed to use ubuntu-desktop ml as point of contact last time
[20:35] <iulian> So, does that mean we should mail ubuntu-desktop to find out who will be the delegate for gnome?
[20:36]  * sistpoty must admit he prefers a person who's responsible in the end, but that person could of course delegate tasks further down the line
[20:36] <ScottK> Maybe we don't have one.
[20:36] <ScottK> I'm not comfortable delegating to a list.
[20:36]  * ScottK doesn't know enough about who does Gnome stuff to have alternative suggestions.
[20:36] <vorian> heh, that's what I was just thinking
[20:38] <sistpoty> let's ask on ubuntu-desktop ml as iulian suggested, and reach the decision who shall be delegate by mail, ok?
[20:38] <vorian> sounds good
[20:39] <ScottK> OK
[20:40] <iulian> I'll write the e-mail if nobody steps in.
[20:40] <ScottK> Great.
[20:40] <sistpoty> thanks iulian
[20:40] <ScottK> I think that's it.
[20:40] <sistpoty> netbook/MID?
[20:40] <iulian> Netbook, MID?
[20:40] <ScottK> StevenK.
[20:41] <sistpoty> +1
[20:41] <iulian> +1
[20:41] <vorian> +1 :)
[20:41] <sistpoty> anyone to ask him? (he seems afk right now)
[20:41] <sistpoty> <- lives in a bad time zone for that *g*
[20:42] <vorian> i'll prolly be up when he wakes up
[20:42] <sistpoty> heh, thanks
[20:42] <vorian> :) no problemo
[20:42] <iulian> Cool.
[20:42] <sistpoty> server ScottK again?
[20:42] <vorian> i don't trust him
[20:42] <vorian> :P
[20:43] <sistpoty> haha
[20:43] <iulian> :)
[20:43] <vorian> +1 if he's up to it
[20:43] <sistpoty> ScottK: can you ask ScottK if he's up for -server again?
[20:43] <sistpoty> *g*
[20:43] <vorian> hehe
[20:44]  * sistpoty imagines changing hats now
[20:44] <iulian> sistpoty: He is still looking for him, be patient.
[20:44] <sistpoty> heh
[20:47] <iulian> Let's move on to Edubuntu in the mean time.
[20:47] <iulian> LaserJock?
[20:47] <ScottK> I'm up for it
[20:47] <iulian> OK, cool.
[20:48] <sistpoty> does anyone know if he already got his PhD? if not laserjock should really be working on his thesis :P
[20:48] <mhall119|work> I think he just got it recently
[20:48] <sistpoty> oh, nice!
[20:48] <iulian> Wonderful.
[20:48] <vorian> yeah, and he's moving to MA
[20:49] <sistpoty> oh, so is he avail atm? or busy moving?
[20:49] <vorian> i'm not sure when he's moving
[20:50] <vorian> maybe stgraber should be considered as well
[20:50] <sistpoty> just thought that as well
[20:50] <ScottK> He did get his PhD.
[20:50] <ScottK> I'd say let's not delegate anyone.
[20:50] <vorian> ok
[20:51] <ScottK> AFAICT, Edubuntu is essentially dead ATM.
[20:51] <sistpoty> oh... :/ then no delegation seems best
[20:51] <vorian> morgs has been keeping up with sugar stuff last I could tell, i guess we can handle that though
[20:51] <mhall119|work> ScottK: that's not what I was hearing this morning, there's a big effort to revive it with Karmic
[20:52] <ScottK> mhall119|work: I'll believe it when I see work being done.
[20:52] <mhall119|work> 12:13 < highvoltage> mhall119|work: we've been putting the pieces togeher and have been listening to our users more, this next release will be more like a 1.0 release again
[20:52] <ScottK> OK.
[20:53] <mhall119|work> not sure what actual work has been done, but #edubuntu is usually pretty active
[20:53] <ScottK> Well if they need FFe the can ask and if it's clear we can delegate to someone, then we can do it when it's clear who.
[20:54] <sistpoty> sounds sane, and we can always ask stgraber or laserjock for input on FFe bugs, once there are any :)
[20:54] <iulian> That'd be great.
[20:54] <vorian> good good
[20:55] <sistpoty> any other team that should have a delegate?
[20:55] <mhall119|work> someone in #edubuntu just confirmed that LaserJock is between internet connections, I'm guessing because of the move
[20:56] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.  We can discuss it with him when he reappears.
[20:57] <iulian> These are all the teams if I'm not wrong.
[20:57] <ScottK> I think so.
[20:57]  * sistpoty just checked what -devel mailing lists we actually have, and think all are covered :)
[20:58] <sistpoty> so, we'll leave the procedure as is? 2 acks for an FFe to be valid?
[20:59] <sistpoty> how did we handle new package exceptions again? 2 acks as well, or did we require s.th. else?
[20:59] <ScottK> Yes and new upstream releases that are bugfix only, just need a bug for documentation, no FFe.
[20:59] <sistpoty> right
[20:59] <ScottK> New packages also needed an ack from an archive admin they could look at it.
[20:59] <sbalneav> Hello, looking for someone from Edubuntu?
[21:00] <ScottK> motu-release should get the aa ack so they don't get inundated.
[21:00]  * highvoltage also saw the ping in #edubuntu
[21:00] <sistpoty> ScottK: right, sounds sane
[21:00] <sistpoty> hi sbalneav and highvoltage
[21:00] <highvoltage> hi sistpoty
[21:00] <iulian> OK, sounds good.
[21:01] <ScottK> Also for a new package there should be a good reason tied to a planned feature of the release.
[21:01] <sistpoty> we've been discussing motu-release delegations and wondered wether edubuntu is still alive and if we'll hence need a delegate for universe freeze exceptions
[21:01] <sbalneav> Still alive. :)
[21:01] <ScottK> And who is leading Edubuntu development to be a likely candidate.
[21:02] <sbalneav> highvoltage: ?  I'm not even a motu, as most of my stuff's in ppa.  You or LaserJock?
[21:02] <sbalneav> LaserJock for sure.
[21:03] <ScottK> OK.  Well let's wait for LaserJock to reappear then.
[21:03] <highvoltage> It would between LaserJock and stgraber, I'm applying for MOTU soon, but I'm not one myself yet
[21:03] <highvoltage> ScottK: LaserJock is busy moving and may be unavailable for a few days, if this is urgent, please let me know, stgraber is a core-dev so he can handle any emergencies
[21:03] <sistpoty> yep, agreed ScottK
[21:04] <ScottK> highvoltage: It can wait a few days.
[21:04] <highvoltage> ok, sbalneav and I will keep note and ping LaserJock when he returns
[21:04] <sistpoty> thanks!
[21:04] <ScottK> Anyone know how the o-caml transition is going?
[21:05] <ScottK> ghc6 is done except ia64 is broken and likely to remain that way.
[21:05] <sistpoty> no idea to be honest
[21:05] <ScottK> iulian: Could you hunt down status on that?
[21:05] <ScottK> boost transitions are done.
[21:05] <iulian> Laney should know more about it, I believe.  I'll have a word with him.
[21:06] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:06] <Laney> I'm here
[21:06] <Laney> what's up?
[21:06] <ScottK> Any other major movements in progress we should know about?
[21:06] <sistpoty> is there a ffmpeg transition needed?
[21:06] <iulian> Laney: Excellent, could you please tell us what's the status of the o-caml transition?
[21:06] <Laney> I assume you mean Haskell
[21:06] <ScottK> I thought we were doing both.
[21:07] <ScottK> I know Haskell is done.
[21:07] <Laney> OCaml is done as far as I know, but I'm nothing to do with that
[21:07] <Laney> try geser I believe
[21:07] <ScottK> Who was doing that one?
[21:07] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:07] <ScottK> iulian: ^^
[21:07] <Laney> There was a "done" message to u-d-d the other day
[21:07] <iulian> Ah-ha.
[21:07] <Laney> Haskell: http://cs.nott.ac.uk/~ial/graph.pdf
[21:08] <Laney> there are various problems due to other arches being out of sync but they will be solved with give-backs
[21:08] <ScottK> Laney: Do you need any help with that?
[21:08] <Laney> ScottK: Maybe, I've not run the stats yet
[21:09] <Laney> cjwatson helped me with ppc by repeately giving back all FTBFS until it caught up
[21:09] <ScottK> OK.  If you need more givebacks, I can do them.
[21:09] <Laney> cool
[21:09] <Laney> The other remaining problem is IA64, and you can see status of that in debian bug 539789
[21:09] <sistpoty> ScottK: as in mass-givebacks? cool!
[21:09] <ubottu> Debian bug 539789 in ghc6 "FTBFS on ia64" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/539789
[21:10] <ScottK> sistpoty: I have to do it the hard way via LP.
[21:10] <Laney> Debian is considering p-a-sing GHC for now
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[21:10] <Laney> I'm following it
[21:10] <sistpoty> ScottK: oh, I guess I can do that, too... or at least could do it last cycle
[21:10] <ScottK> You can
[21:10] <Laney> any MOTU can do it
[21:14] <sistpoty> hm... ffmpeg-extra is still in new, and if I read it right, we'll need a transition there as well: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-August/028747.html
[21:14] <ScottK> Probably.
[21:14] <ScottK> Can you chat with siretart about it and see what his plan is?
[21:14] <ScottK> sistpoty: ^^
[21:15] <sistpoty> ScottK: sure, can do. (though he's on vac the next 3 weeks, but I guess he'll be online tomorrow :))
[21:15] <ScottK> Well if he's gone that long I hope he has someone working on this in the mean time.
[21:15] <ScottK> I also went through most of the R packages and updated them so for R we should be in good shape.
[21:17] <ScottK> Anyone have anything else?
[21:17] <sistpoty> we recieved our first request for a standing ffe already (audacity)
[21:18] <sistpoty> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2009-August/006079.html
[21:18] <ScottK> Isn't that one historically troubling?
[21:18] <ScottK> Or am I thinking of another one.
[21:18] <vorian> yikes, that's cutting it a bit close
[21:18] <sistpoty> ScottK: you're thinking of audacious, I guess
[21:19] <sistpoty> at least I first thought of audacious *g*
[21:19] <ScottK> COuld be.
[21:20] <sistpoty> hm... audacity is seeded for ubuntu-studio cd's?
[21:20] <sistpoty> I guess I'd really like to hear input from luisbg on it then
[21:21] <ScottK> Yep.
[21:21] <iulian> Yea, it is.
[21:22]  * siretart reads my name?
[21:22] <sistpoty> siretart: do we need a transition for ffmpeg(-extra)?
[21:22] <siretart> sistpoty: yes, but it is really straight forward
[21:23] <siretart> sistpoty: the only effective change is a shlibs change from -unstripped- to -extra-, so a simple rebuild is enough
[21:23] <ScottK> siretart: Who's going to coordinate it (I understand you're going on vac)?
[21:23] <sistpoty> I guess I could do that
[21:23] <ScottK> Excellent.
[21:24] <siretart> ScottK: yes, that's right. I'll be away for about 3 weeks
[21:24] <siretart> sistpoty: thanks!
[21:24] <sistpoty> np ;)
[21:24] <ScottK> siretart: Have a nice vacation.
[21:24] <siretart> btw, I've seen 'audacity'
[21:24] <siretart> if you are considering updating to 1.3.8 (the latest upstream release, we have 1.3.7), I'd suggest to not do that
[21:25] <sistpoty> oh?
[21:25] <siretart> the 1.3.8 release doesn't work with our ffmpeg 0.5 release, but needs a newer ffmpeg that we are not going to ship
[21:25] <siretart> there is discussion about this upstream right now
[21:25] <sistpoty> bdrung_: ^^
[21:25] <sistpoty> :/
[21:25] <siretart> he is the one that started this discussion upstream
[21:26] <sistpoty> ah, I see
[21:26] <siretart> so bdrung is perfectly aware of that :-)
[21:26] <bdrung_> yes, i started this discussion and the ffe request.
[21:26] <siretart> ok
[21:26] <bdrung_> if someone want's to play with 1.3.8 he/she can grab it from the git repo or my ppa
[21:27] <siretart> then you are all aware of the problem with ffmpeg. that's what I wanted to make sure
[21:27] <bdrung_> yes. i tried to write a patch, but i failed.
[21:27] <sistpoty> thanks for the info!
[21:29] <sistpoty> oh, how do we generally want to handle standing FFe-requests for karmic? consensus from everyone?
[21:30] <ScottK> Consensus.
[21:30] <vorian> sounds good
[21:31] <iulian> +1
[21:31] <ScottK> It sounds to me like audacity is a no go for now.
[21:31] <siretart> ScottK: ffmpeg is not a strict dependencies, it is even loaded via dlopen() only.
[21:32] <ScottK> OK, but that issue ought to get sorted first.
[21:32] <siretart> ScottK: still, I'd consider lack of avcodec support a serious regression. OTOH, I have to admit that I'm only a very casual audacity user
[21:32] <ScottK> We also do want to hear from ubuntu studio on the question.
[21:33] <sistpoty> yep, let's wait a bit for further input
[21:33] <siretart> yes, that would make most sense
[21:33] <sistpoty> bdrung_: ok with that?
[21:34] <siretart> bdrung_: do you still want 1.3.8 uploaded to experimental? I can see to do the upload tomorrow, if you are OK
[21:34] <bdrung_> sistpoty: yes.
[21:34] <sistpoty> bdrung_: thanks!
[21:35] <bdrung_> siretart: having 1.3.8 in experimental would be good. i have to write a readme.debian and then it would be suitable.
[21:35] <siretart> OK
[21:35] <sistpoty> siretart: btw.: I'd have a pending upload of min12xxw on mentors should you have too much time *g*
[21:35] <bdrung_> if someone is interested in the upstream response: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4A8DE8C2.9010606%40gmail.com&forum_name=audacity-devel
[21:35] <siretart> OK :)
[21:35] <sistpoty> thanks!
[21:37] <iulian> Hmm, it seems that the MOTU Release Charter hasn't been touched for some time now.  Are there any questions regarding the charter?
[21:37] <iulian> I should probably mention it in the mail as well.
[21:38] <ScottK> iulian: I don't think it needs mentioning.
[21:39] <sistpoty> having reread the charter right now, it still looks good to me
[21:39] <iulian> Thought it would be good, just as a reminder.
[21:40] <sistpoty> anything else to discuss?
[21:40] <ScottK> Well I think it was an interesting excercise, but doesn't have a lot of bearing on what we do/don't do.
[21:40] <ScottK> Not from me.
[21:40] <iulian> ScottK: OK.
[21:40] <iulian> sistpoty: I'm good too.
[21:41] <sistpoty> vorian: how about you?
[21:41] <iulian> I'll write the mail tomorrow morning.  It's getting late here and I should be heading to bed now.
[21:41] <iulian> Is there anything else I should mention in the mail?
[21:42] <iulian> i.e. something we didn't discuss here?
[21:42] <ScottK> Don't think so.
[21:42] <iulian> OK.
[21:43] <sistpoty> iulian: I guess we should also have a mail to ubuntu-devel-announce pointing to the FFe procedure and mentioning FF and stuff. Last time I coordinated this with slangasek
[21:44] <iulian> sistpoty: I'm fine with it.  Please coordinate with slangasek.
[21:45] <vorian> late no, sorry :)
[21:45] <iulian> I'll send the minutes of this meeting to ubuntu-devel and -motu.
[21:45] <sistpoty> ok, will do
[21:45] <sistpoty> thanks a lot iulian!
[21:45] <vorian> thanks iulian :)
[21:47] <sistpoty> ok, then I guess the meeting is closed :)
[21:47] <iulian> Thanks everyone!
[21:47]  * iulian heads to bed.
[21:47] <iulian> Good night.
[21:47] <sistpoty> yeah, thanks everyone and good night iulian
[21:47]  * sistpoty is off again, cya
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