[11:19] <kholerabbi> Could someone with knowledge of notification standards and the indicator-applet make a convincing request at the Skype for Linux developer's blog?   http://share.skype.com/sites/linux/2009/07/skype_for_linux_an_update.html
[11:21] <kholerabbi> a request for Skype to support galago/notification standards*
[11:21] <SiDi>  do they have a proper bug tracker ?
[11:22] <kholerabbi> SiDi: Yes, but it's dusty, and not being used much atm
[11:24] <SiDi> kholerabbi, but a blog comment isnt the place for a feature request :P
[11:29] <kholerabbi> A bug report would be great, of course :P
[11:29] <kholerabbi> https://developer.skype.com/jira/browse/SCL seems to be the place, would you be willing to report a bug?
[11:32] <kholerabbi> SiDi: I would do it myself, but I want someone convincing and with real knowledge :P
[11:32] <SiDi> Alright, i'm gonna write it :P
[11:33] <kholerabbi> That's awesome, I believe they have some sort of voting system. So post the link here when you're done =)
[11:33] <SiDi> err i have to create an account and give them my email address :/
[11:33] <SiDi> sorry but i fear i actually cant do it  ^.^
[11:36] <kholerabbi> You don't want to give them your email address?
[11:39] <kholerabbi> SiDi: https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount ;)
[11:39] <SiDi> :)
[11:43] <kholerabbi> Ah, I have to go, g'night.
[13:50]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[16:48] <rickspencer3> djsiegel_: I meant my last reply to our ayatana mail good naturedly ... but I'm worried it didn't come off that way
[16:48] <rickspencer3> I seriously meant that I defer to your judgement on the topic
[16:48] <rickspencer3> :)
[17:09] <djsiegel_> rickspencer3: no, no problem
[17:09] <djsiegel_> rickspencer3: but remember, I am the design team
[17:10] <djsiegel_> so saying "let's defer to the pros/the design team" kind of implies that you are talking about someone else
[17:10] <djsiegel_> I am on the design team, rather
[17:11] <rickspencer3> djsiegel_: I meant the design team, as "the pros"
[17:12] <rickspencer3> I meant "the pros *on* the design team"
[17:12] <rickspencer3> :/
[17:12] <djsiegel_> does that include me?
[17:12] <rickspencer3> yes, of course
[17:12] <djsiegel_> ok, just checking :)
[17:12] <rickspencer3> sorry
[17:12] <rickspencer3> don't know what's the matter with me today
[17:12] <djsiegel_> just wasn't sure who you were referring to :)
[17:12]  * rickspencer3 untangles virtual tongue
[17:13] <djsiegel_> lol, don't worry about it
[17:13] <rickspencer3> *sigh*
[17:13] <rickspencer3> I suck so badly
[17:13] <rickspencer3> to be clear, for the record ...
[17:13] <djsiegel_> No you don't.
[17:13]  * djsiegel_ hugs rick
[17:13] <rickspencer3> I meant to day, I was deferring the decision specifically to you, as you are the professional designer
[17:14]  * rickspencer3 hugs back
[17:16] <mac_v> mat_t: lol , awesome title
[17:19] <djsiegel_> rickspencer3: have you seen Kupfer?
[17:19] <rickspencer3> I don't think so
[17:19]  * rickspencer3 googles
[17:20] <djsiegel_> rickspencer3: it's a GNOME Do port to python, basically. It looks like it's going to be a pretty popular project, and right now they don't have a PPA or anything. Maybe you could introduce them to quickly?
[17:20] <djsiegel_> They get a PPA and other cool quickly features, and their users/new devs get introduced to quickly?
[17:20] <rickspencer3> djsiegel_: sounds good
[17:20] <rickspencer3> right
[17:20] <rickspencer3> I would wait until after feature freeze, if I were they
[17:21] <rickspencer3> as quickly is waiting for desktopcouch to settle down before release 0.2
[17:21] <rickspencer3> though if they want to get started right away, they should grab 0.2 from the ppa, rather than 0.1 from universe
[17:21] <djsiegel_> ok
[17:21] <rickspencer3> I'll be working on the release tutorial in the next couple of days
[17:22] <rickspencer3> unfortunately there is some complexity with setting up pgp keys before you can upload
[17:23] <SiDi> rickspencer3, does quickly also have packaging tools ?
[17:23] <rickspencer3> SiDi: yes
[17:23] <rickspencer3> there is $quickly package ... which will make a deb
[17:23] <rickspencer3> and $quickly release ... which will make a ppa
[17:23] <SiDi> Do they allow splitting a source tarball into several binary packages based on different paths ? :P
[17:23] <rickspencer3> SiDi: don't know
[17:23] <rickspencer3> I doubt it
[17:24] <rickspencer3> you could ask didrocks in #quickly
[17:24] <rickspencer3> that seems like an advanced scenario, though
[17:26] <SiDi> :(
[17:35]  * MacSlow -> capoeira-break
[17:35]  * SiDi hides
[18:03] <mat_t> mac_v: thx ;)
[18:03] <mat_t> djsiegel_: can you have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/418703? I'm not sure what packages are guilty here
[18:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 418703 in hundredpapercuts "Busy mouse cursor flickers like mad" [Undecided,New] 
[18:04] <djsiegel_> hmm
[18:04] <djsiegel_> I can look, mat_t, but I am not sure I will find :)
[18:04] <mat_t> :)
[18:05] <mat_t> that's where we all are - in the perpetual spiral of seek-and-hide
[18:05] <mat_t> :P
[18:05]  * SiDi thinks very strongly about Intel's GPU drivers.
[18:06] <mac_v> mat_t: AFAIK , that is actually a graphics card issue ,xorg 
[18:06] <mac_v> mat_t: not a papercut actually ;p
[18:06] <SiDi> anything but a papercut :D
[18:06] <mat_t> mac_v: cool, can you re-link it?
[18:06] <mat_t> mac_v: I want to keep it as a bug *somewhere*
[18:07] <mac_v> mat_t: i dont know the graphics card for dell mini9 , might wanna get a second opinion from bryce though :)
[18:07] <mat_t> mac_v: thx
[18:07] <SiDi> want me to re-set it ?
[18:08] <SiDi> to xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
[18:08] <mac_v> SiDi: if its intel yup :)
[18:08] <mat_t> thx SiDi
[18:09]  * mat_t go home
[18:09] <mac_v> mat_t: speaks like ET ;p
[18:09] <mat_t> bye everyone, see ya'll tomorrow
[18:09] <SiDi> its a GMA950 afaik
[18:09] <mat_t> mac_v: nice catch
[18:09] <SiDi> see you mat_t 
[18:09] <mat_t> ;)
[18:11] <SiDi> aw, im not in n-o's top contributors anymore :( :p
[22:54] <mrooney|w> djsiegel_: if I make a 60 second or so screen cast of an application I'm working on, and specifically a feature in it, would you be able to give me a quick review of what is good and bad?
[22:55] <mrooney|w> or is there another person who might?
[23:00] <SiDi> mrooney|w, ? :D
[23:05] <bcurtiswx> hey all, im wondering.. for Indicator Applet to support apps.. they they have to support minimizing to try natively.. or will indicator applet do this for apps that don't have native support for that?
[23:06] <bcurtiswx> if that needs to be worded differently please let me know that as well :-\
[23:10] <SiDi> bcurtiswx, you need to use the libindicate dbus api to communicate with it, afaik
[23:10] <SiDi> and you dont need to do anything related to tray icon
[23:12] <bcurtiswx> i think the MPT wants to implement empathy into the IA, but its not done yet.  Thanks for the help
[23:15] <bcurtiswx> may be good to do that, with empathy going deafult IM client
[23:16] <djsiegel_> mrooney|w: yes sir
[23:17] <mac_v> djsiegel_: did you have a look at this > Bug #417593
[23:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 417593 in gnome-applets "Sticky Notes [mouse behavior] not consistent with system-wide behavior" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417593
[23:20] <djsiegel_> mac_v, hmm, I don't think it;s a paper cut
[23:20] <djsiegel_> we install tomboy by default
[23:20] <mac_v> djsiegel_: sticky notes is also in the default
[23:20] <djsiegel_> which is the de jure sticky note default app
[23:21] <djsiegel_> right, but, with a highly discoverable notes app
[23:21] <mac_v> djsiegel_:  its in the panel applets
[23:21] <djsiegel_> and a not easily discoverable app
[23:21] <djsiegel_> mac_v, yeah I know all the facts
[23:21] <djsiegel_> I really don't think this affects many users
[23:21] <mac_v> ok... we'll leave it as such
[23:21] <djsiegel_> the average user would not encounter this
[23:21] <djsiegel_> Maybe 1 in 1000 would ?
[23:21] <djsiegel_> fewer?
[23:22] <djsiegel_> I would say this does not alleviate a pain for more than 1 in 1000 users
[23:22] <mac_v> djsiegel_: if we fall short , we can use it ?
[23:22] <djsiegel_> very safe statement
[23:22] <djsiegel_> no, it's just too puny
[23:22] <djsiegel_> if we fall short, we fall short
[23:22] <djsiegel_> let's not count this one
[23:22] <mac_v> no probs
[23:22] <djsiegel_> good bug, but not a (good) paper cut
[23:22] <djsiegel_> cool
[23:45] <SiDi> mrooney|w, if you want me to have a look at it feel free to mail it to me (sidnioulz AT gmail DOT com)