[00:01] <sbalneav> Nope.
[00:02] <Lns> that'll be another can 'o worms I guess ;)
[00:03] <alkisg> Heh. No big harm there. Anyway, late here, g'night all...
[00:03] <Lns> But it basically just depends on the app itself right?
[00:03] <Lns> night alkisg !
[00:03] <sbalneav> Night alkisg
[00:03] <Lns> I mean, if you're running FF as a localapp only, it's not like you're not going to be able to connect via vnc..?
[00:04] <Lns> s/vnc/vino
[00:09] <Lns> sbalneav: about to get yer hardy version of sabayon
[00:13] <sbalneav> ok
[00:13] <sbalneav> We'll see if it works.
[00:13] <sbalneav> I'm betting no.
[00:17] <Lns> sbalneav: sabayon: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0) but 2.12.9-3ubuntu5 is to be installed || Depends: python (>= 2.6) but 2.5.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[00:17] <Lns> bork bork bork
[00:19] <sbalneav> yeah.  I'm gonna have to re-build the package from scratch, somehow.
[00:19] <sbalneav> not sure how this is going to work.
[00:21] <Lns> sbalneav: no worries, i'll be here once it's ready to test =)
[00:22] <sbalneav> Well, BUILDING the package is no problem.
[00:22] <sbalneav> getting it published to my ppa may be.
[00:22] <sbalneav> Working on it now.
[01:07] <sbalneav> Anyone know packaging?
[01:07] <sbalneav> Here's the situation.
[01:07] <sbalneav> On hardy, In order to get sabayon working, I need to:
[01:08] <sbalneav> from the base upstream tarball, I need to patch configure.ac, and then rerun autoconf before running configure.
[01:08] <sbalneav> how do I go about doing that?
[03:25] <dgroos1> Hi all--
[03:26] <dgroos1> I'm trying to completely remove all traces of iTALC from my computer before I reinstall it.
[03:27] <dgroos1> I "apt-get purge italc" and then libitalc.
[03:29] <dgroos1> then, I did "locate italc" and got a ton of files with italc in the name still.  So... I tried to remove each one (or the specific directories containing just italc stuff) with sudo rm /file/path/name.  There were some files
[03:29] <dgroos1> that were shown on locate, lots of them, that when I tried to remove them, didn't seem to exist!  what's going on?
[03:35] <sbalneav> locate doesn't update immediately
[03:38] <dgroos1> Ah, Right!  I bet there's a command which I'll dig up...
[03:42] <dgroos1> sudo updatedb
[03:57] <dgroos1> sbalneav: you've got a PPA, can you answer this?  I've got basically it all removed--just the ppa.launchpad.net stuff remains.  I've got 4 files in /var/lib/apt/.  Here are the ends of the filenames (which distinguish them)...
[03:59] <dgroos1> jaunty_Release and jaunty_Release.gpg and jaunty_main_binary-i386_Packages and jaunty_main_source_Sources.  Do I need all 4?
[04:00] <sbalneav> yes
[04:00] <dgroos1> thanks :)
[04:00] <sbalneav> You should have a lot more in there
[04:00] <sbalneav> keyrings  lists  mirrors  periodic etc
[04:01] <dgroos1>  got a little happy w/ sudo rm did I?
[04:01] <sbalneav> Yup
[04:01] <dgroos1> maybe I get rid of it all, reinstall sources and keys--work?
[04:01] <sbalneav> And, of course, you SAVED A BACKUP BEFORE YOU STARTED BLINDLY REMOVING THINGS YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE, right? :)
[04:02] <sbalneav> I have no idea, you've probably hosed apt pretty badly.
[04:02] <dgroos1> Hmmm... wish I had a wider repertoire of smiley faces...
[04:02] <sbalneav> There's a ton of stuff in there.
[04:03] <dgroos1> I only removed things that specifically had the name italc in them...
[04:03] <sbalneav> best you can hope for is to do an apt-get update, see if it works.
[04:03] <sbalneav> well, if you don't have keyrings, lists, mirrors, etc
[04:03] <sbalneav> in that dir
[04:03] <sbalneav> then you removed more than you thought you did.
[04:03] <dgroos1> OK-- got it, make lots of backups... tonite...
[04:04] <sbalneav> what does apt-get update do?
[04:04] <dgroos1> those 4 files (and their duplicates in the /opt/ltsp/i386/ were the only things left in my updated 'locate' list.
[04:05] <dgroos1> seems to work--got 99% and is [waiting for headers]
[04:08] <dgroos1> looks like you got your sabayon update in your PPA :)
[04:08] <dgroos1> It worked :)
[04:16] <dgroos1> hmmm... at the 9:58 comment I made, should have said "there are only 4 things left in my locate database that have the word italc in them and they are located in /var/lib/apt/" not, "I've only got 4 files left in /var/lib/apt/"  So sorry for the confusion!  And thanks for reminding me about back ups, I need to do nightly!!!
[04:23] <sbalneav> I'm a sysadmin by trade.  Any system mods I do start out with 1) a backup 2) another backup 3) Yet another backup
[05:23] <dgroos> iTALC... sweet success!  After weeks of effort, it works!
[05:23] <dgroos> The trick was the removing of EVERY trace of iTALC from my system before a fresh reinstall.
[05:23] <dgroos> and now to a backup :)
[07:20] <alkisg> Good morning
[07:36] <jamil> afternoon
[07:48] <highvoltage> good {morning,afternoon} alkisg and jamil :)
[14:47] <ace_suares> hi
[14:56] <highvoltage> hi ace_suares and alkisg!
[14:56] <highvoltage> ace_suares: we missed you
[14:56] <alkisg> Hi highvoltage, hi all
[14:58] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:59] <sbalneav> Morning ace!
[14:59] <sbalneav> Good to see you back.
[15:21] <dgroos> Good morning all
[15:21] <mhall119|work> hey ace_suares
[15:22] <dgroos> and to see you back, ace_suares :)
[15:22] <dgroos> too
[16:43] <sbalneav> highvoltage: around?
[16:49] <BenCrisford> Hello fellas
[16:50] <sbalneav> Hello Ben
[16:50] <sbalneav> Long Time No See
[18:29] <Suhadi> Hi, Is there something like a tutorial or installtion guide for setup a thien client Server for a classroom with edubuntu 9.04?
[18:31] <Lns> Suhadi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall might help
[18:32] <Lns> For thin clients under *buntu, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ is the wiki with the most information regarding how to "do things"
[18:33] <Suhadi> ah okay thanks so far
[18:33] <Lns> np
[18:33] <Suhadi> I just tried to set up a server on a VM
[18:33] <Suhadi> and wanted to install all the edubuntu stuff
[18:34] <Lns> Suhadi: well Edubuntu != LTSP
[18:34] <Lns> (not anymore)
[18:34] <Suhadi> yeah i installed LTSP from alternate CD and than Edubuntu
[18:34] <Lns> ah
[18:35] <Suhadi> but it didnt install all the teacher stuff like student-control-üanel
[18:35] <Suhadi> is that normal?
[18:35] <Suhadi> panel not üanel ^^
[18:45] <Lns> Suhadi: student control panel is VERY old and unstable
[18:45] <Lns> I am actually working with others to bring it to a stable state..should be happening soon. BTW it's now called "Thin Client Manager".. check out http://logicalnetworking.net/wiki/doku.php#projectthin_client_manager_tcm
[18:47] <Suhadi> yeah i installed it, but y doesnt edubuntu istalled this stuff? So there is no student controlling
[18:47] <Suhadi> So this is only a desktop version of edubuntu or am i wrong?
[18:48] <Lns> Suhadi: it wouldn't be of much use because the code is broken
[18:48] <Suhadi> yeah or an alternative...
[18:48] <Lns> there is no alternative yet :)
[18:48] <Suhadi> this is not good :D
[18:48] <Lns> but there are 2 major programs being worked on that will be ready soon (within a month or two maybe)
[18:48] <Lns> Suhadi: well you can try iTalc
[18:49] <Lns> I heard some people have gotten that working
[18:49] <Lns> check the wiki link i sent you
[18:49] <Suhadi> okay i will do because this edubuntu stuff is very interesting
[18:52] <Lns> Suhadi: cool, glad to see you like it =) come back here, there's usually someone here or in #ltsp if you need thin client help to help you out
[18:54] <Suhadi> Yeah, it makes me a sad panda, when i see that only few school (and companies) use OS like edubuntu
[19:28] <highvoltage> sbalneav: am now
[19:28] <sbalneav> Cool.
[19:29] <sbalneav> OK
[19:29] <sbalneav> So, sabayon
[19:29] <sbalneav> I'm going to try tonight to get a karmic build in my ppa
[19:29] <sbalneav> Once it's there, what needs to happen to get it pushed up to main for feature freeze on Thursday?
[19:34] <ogra> just give it to me
[19:34] <ogra> but its important that you use the existing karmic package as a base
[19:35] <ogra> and just replace the tarball, if there are ubuntu specific changes, you need to merge them properly
[19:35] <ogra> so read the changelog
[19:36] <sbalneav> ok
[19:37] <ogra> sbalneav, looking at the last two uploads that should be straightforward, there were no ubuntu changes
[19:38] <ogra> both packages had -0ubuntu1 versions
[19:48] <sbalneav> ok, so should I produce a 2.27.91-0ubuntu2~ppa2 based off the 2.27.0-0ubuntu1 in karmic?
[19:49] <Lns> ogra to the rescue =)
[20:12] <highvoltage> ogra: would you be able to give me a testimonial for my MOTU application? stgraber said I should go for it.
[21:19] <ogra> sbalneav, right, just add your new tarball, if you do additional changes or patches, mention them
[21:23] <sbalneav> k
[21:27] <Lns> stgraber: ping? Do you have any update for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb/+bug/277069 re: hardy sru?
[21:34] <ace_suares> Hi
[21:35] <ace_suares> I *was* reading the irclogs fellows :-) not much happened except for the last week or so, with sabayon and italc stuff.
[21:35] <ace_suares> I am just dormant till friday
[21:35] <ace_suares> I want that meeting so badly :-)0
[21:50] <stgraber> Lns: not really, seems to be stuck somewhere in the SRU process
[21:50] <Lns> stgraber: :(
[22:00] <sbalneav> ace_suares: Well, glad to see you're back.  We were thinking you'd floated away :)
[22:02] <sbalneav> ace_suares: Best is to stay idle in the channel.  What irc client do you use?
[22:03] <Lns> ace_suares: ! =)
[22:03] <nubae_> stgraber! been looking for u for a while now... I've installed ltsp-cluster under karmic
[22:03] <nubae_> but there was a problem with the loadbalancer
[22:04] <nubae_> cant remember what it was off the top of my head now though, it was a while ago, I wrote u an email or a couple about it
[22:09] <stgraber> I know the loadbalancer is broken
[22:09] <stgraber> my goal before FF is to have everything in Ubuntu, I'll fix that soon
[22:10] <ace_suares> hi all, sbalneav yourself was far away for a long while... but happy to see you back
[22:10] <ace_suares> thx for all the welcoming words :-)
[22:10] <ace_suares> Lns hi
[22:10] <sbalneav> I was away for a few months.  But people were notified :)
[22:10] <ace_suares> Can't stay on IRC all the time, need to reboot the computer every time :-)
[22:11] <sbalneav> Which IRC client do you uuse?
[22:12] <ace_suares> sbalneav: whatever thing comes with ubuntu. It's ugly and brown :-)
[22:12] <sbalneav> Use irssi
[22:12] <sbalneav> Then you can run it under screen.
[22:13] <sbalneav> it's text-based, but that's what makes it useful.
[22:13] <Lns> hehe
[22:13] <Lns> sbalneav: lol
[22:13] <sbalneav> so you can "screen irssi", do your chatting
[22:13] <sbalneav> control-a d to detach
[22:13] <Lns> yanqui uses erc (emacs irc client)
[22:14] <sbalneav> then if you're somewhere else, but can ssh into your main box, you can just screen -r to resume.
[22:14] <ace_suares> screen? isn't that that thing that keeps all your sessions open and then someone hijakcs it and they are in all your servers?
[22:14] <Lns> I like Xchat just because i'm not always on the shell...damn clients have me doing all sorts of normal person stuff all the time
[22:14] <Lns> ace_suares: screen is a beautiful thing :)
[22:14] <sbalneav> yeah, any text based irc client will work well for that.
[22:14] <sbalneav> ace_suares: wha?
[22:15] <ace_suares> just kiddin around
[22:15] <ace_suares> got stuff to do
[22:15] <sbalneav> Don't we all.
[22:16] <ace_suares> will be at the meeting, I calculated that it is 13:00 GMT-4 (EST). I hope that is correct
[22:16] <ace_suares> I need input on the wiki to do more work, and i have been idling all that time, well, doning other stuff.
[22:17] <ace_suares> Now off to the beach> Did anyone hear about curacao treasure hunt?
[22:17] <ace_suares> Someone just won 500.000 USD last night I saw her win it was very interesting.
[22:17] <ace_suares> bye for now!
[22:18] <Lns> wow
[22:18]  * Lns would like $500k plsthxkbye
[22:56] <Ahmuck-Sr> hey ho, how is edubuntu today?
[23:03] <sbalneav> Still kicking