| ScottK | a|wen: Would you have time to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kairmode ? We want it for Kubuntu Netbook before feature freeze. | 00:11 |
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| neversfelde | koffice 47 %, I guess this will last till tomorrow | 00:22 |
| neversfelde | ScottK: I was on a vacation for three weeks and I am not up to date anymore. Was kontrolpack backported? | 00:24 |
| neversfelde | I remember, that you acked it, but I am not sure | 00:26 |
| Riddell | backports seem to be broken currently | 00:26 |
| Riddell | the mass-sync script doesn't work for them | 00:26 |
| Riddell | feel free to do it manually and I'll approve tomorrow | 00:26 |
| neversfelde | might be the problem | 00:28 |
| neversfelde | afair there was also no answer in the plasma-widget-plasmaboard vs. kvkbd thread, I think we should keep kvkbd for karmic and probably switch to the widget if it reach KDE officiallly | 00:30 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: what do you base that on? | 00:31 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: both applications are very similar and afaik we do not need the space for karmic? | 00:35 |
| neversfelde | if the widget goes official KDE, we should switch for karmic +1 | 00:36 |
| Riddell | ok, one less MIR :) | 00:37 |
| neversfelde | I have a german Howto for disabled persons, who are using KDE on my todo, but this will last till karmic +1. It is important, but very difficult, so I guess, we should use kvkbd in karmic | 00:40 |
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| * shtylman eating done...time to get to work :) | 00:56 | |
| shtylman | me amarok still does't produce sound...its very upsetting | 00:57 |
| shtylman | actually...I don't think pulse works at all for me.. heh | 00:57 |
| Riddell | shtylman: remove pulse is the usual answer | 01:02 |
| shtylman | Riddell: I concur... what do I install in its stead? | 01:02 |
| Riddell | nothing | 01:03 |
| shtylman | oh... I think you lost me... | 01:04 |
| shtylman | oh nvm | 01:04 |
| shtylman | you are right... | 01:04 |
| Riddell | KDE is perfectly able to just send its sound to linux | 01:04 |
| shtylman | no pulse = working | 01:04 |
| shtylman | :) | 01:04 |
| shtylman | thanks | 01:04 |
| Riddell | shtylman: Feature freeze on thursday, are you able to get the slideshow in? | 01:04 |
| shtylman | the functionality is there in the installer | 01:04 |
| shtylman | you just need the package that installs the slides to the right location | 01:05 |
| shtylman | and the installer will use them | 01:05 |
| shtylman | I can make a quick copy of the gtk slideshow slides and put in some kde-centric stuff for now | 01:05 |
| shtylman | to get it in before freeze | 01:05 |
| Riddell | that would be good | 01:05 |
| shtylman | so we have the ubiquity-slideshow-kde package | 01:05 |
| shtylman | k...I will do that...and also get my keyboard thing in before the freeze | 01:06 |
| shtylman | cause that is a *feature* | 01:06 |
| Riddell | lovely | 01:06 |
| shtylman | past that...everything else in the installer will be touchup work | 01:06 |
| Riddell | shtylman: doing the dialogues? | 01:06 |
| shtylman | you mean themeing for better look? | 01:07 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:07 |
| Riddell | we could say that's artwork rather than a a feature | 01:07 |
| shtylman | yea...I have a few files where I did test runs...and I think I can handle the situation with compositing on and off gracefully enough to try it out | 01:07 |
| shtylman | k | 01:07 |
| Riddell | snoozing | 01:08 |
| shtylman | yea...it is more on the artwork side...ish...there would have to be minimal and non-invasive code changes for it to work | 01:08 |
| lex79 | ScottK: did you upload akonadi-googledata? seems not.... | 02:26 |
| yuriy | pyqt4 seems broken in karmic | 02:39 |
| yuriy | http://pastebin.com/d4dea6020 | 02:41 |
| yuriy | or pykde4 i guess | 02:41 |
| yuriy | oh feature freeze is not past yet? | 02:43 |
| * yuriy should really get userconfig in, so ^^ | 02:44 | |
| lex79 | yuriy: did you see if in your system there is /usr/share/python-qt4/widget-plugins/kde4.py ? | 02:46 |
| yuriy | hmm there is | 02:48 |
| yuriy | it's a symlink to /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyKDE4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py which is there as well | 03:05 |
| lex79 | yuriy: so you have a old version of kdebindings, I fixed this issue yesterday, try to upgrade :) | 03:10 |
| lex79 | the correct symlink is: | 03:10 |
| lex79 | /usr/share/python-qt4/widget-plugins/kde4.py -> ../../../lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py | 03:10 |
| lex79 | and not PyKDE4/uic//widget-plugins/kde4.py | 03:11 |
| yuriy | lex79: sorry symlink is correct, but the PyQt4 dir doesn't exist (didn't notice i was lsing the wrong thing because of tab completion) | 03:13 |
| lex79 | are you sure? have you kdebindings 4.3.0-0ubuntu3 ? | 03:14 |
| yuriy | ubuntu2 | 03:15 |
| yuriy | all updated though. maybe it just hasn't hit my mirror | 03:16 |
| lex79 | yuriy: upgrade and check it again if works | 03:16 |
| lex79 | ah | 03:16 |
| yuriy | i'll see tomorrow, sorry for the fuss | 03:16 |
| lex79 | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings | 03:17 |
| lex79 | no problem :) | 03:17 |
| ScottK | lex79: I uploaded it and it got rejected. | 04:13 |
| lex79 | oh :( why? | 04:13 |
| ScottK | Copyright stuff. fabo says it's fixed, I just need to lay my hands on the fixed package. | 04:13 |
| * ScottK looks for it. | 04:13 | |
| lex79 | ok | 04:14 |
| ScottK | Gotta remember where I got the last one. | 04:14 |
| ScottK | lex79: Tarball is here: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kdetrunk/pool/main/a/akonadi-googledata/akonadi-googledata_1.0.orig.tar.gz | 04:24 |
| ScottK | I guess I'll fish the packaging out of their svn and see what I can do with it. | 04:24 |
| lex79 | ok thanks | 04:25 |
| lex79 | yes it's fixed in svn http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/akonadi-googledata/trunk/debian/changelog | 04:27 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 04:27 |
| ScottK | I need to get boot speed testing going on this mini 10v first. | 04:27 |
| lex79 | eheheh, you have fun :) | 04:30 |
| ScottK | Riddell: As promised, here's a stack of bootcharts from a Dell mini 10v with SSD runing Kubuntu Netbook Edition http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/bootcharts/ | 06:02 |
| ScottK | The first couple I had some non-standard stuff running that I killed. | 06:02 |
| ScottK | They were all (except probably the last one) done with autologin enabled. | 06:03 |
| MsMaco | ScottK: is a new quassel coming soon? | 06:07 |
| MsMaco | theyve apparently a new quassel core protocol | 06:07 |
| ScottK | MsMaco: Yes. 0.5 should get baked tomorrow or Wed. | 06:07 |
| MsMaco | "protocol 10" | 06:07 |
| MsMaco | ok | 06:07 |
| MsMaco | thanks | 06:07 |
| ScottK | Yep. So I'm not updating the snapshot now until we get 0.5 so I can put it in backports too. | 06:07 |
| ScottK | So that way people running cores on jaunty/Intrepid get the same version. | 06:08 |
| MsMaco | ok. jussi01 already updated his core | 06:08 |
| MsMaco | so my client is yelling at me | 06:08 |
| ScottK | It should be just a matter of grabbing the new tarball from github (there's a link on the download page), copying over the debian dir and adding a new debian/changelog entry to update it. | 06:11 |
| a|wen | ScottK: kairmode review done; there was some issues though ... one of you, ping me when a new one is up, and i'll look at it again | 06:45 |
| jussi01 | MsMaco: sorry, forgot to tell you... :( | 07:01 |
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| ghostcube | goooooooooood mooooooooooooorning problems .... | 10:49 |
| ghostcube | :) | 10:49 |
| ghostcube | huhu | 10:49 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Did you see my bootcharts I linked to last night? | 12:49 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yes not studied them yet | 12:50 |
| ScottK | Riddell: OK. Just wanted to make sure you had them. | 12:50 |
| Riddell | there seem to be two kdm processes | 12:50 |
| ScottK | Odd. | 12:51 |
| ScottK | I didn't really study them beyond making sure nothing obviously non-standard was showing up on them (the first two have Postfix in it and it was affecting the results) | 12:51 |
| Riddell | there's about 1.5 seconds between the kdm processes, dunno if one is the greeter | 12:52 |
| Riddell | it could be kdm_greet | 12:52 |
| Riddell | ScottK: might be worth putting `ksplashx Default` into /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup and seeing where that shows up | 12:53 |
| ScottK | OK. | 12:54 |
| ScottK | Riddell: It wouldn't boot. | 13:11 |
| ScottK | Hung starting the KDE session with the picture of the disk drive showing, but whatever comes next never appeared. | 13:11 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I packaged and uploaded your feedback plasmoid | 13:14 |
| Riddell | I'll try and get that set up on my server shortly | 13:14 |
| Riddell | ScottK: err really, it just froze? | 13:15 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Yep. I left it there for over 5 minutes | 13:15 |
| Riddell | you can't click on it to make it go away? | 13:15 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Was the feedback plasmoid python? If so, mind pinging me when you get the source up so I can try to get the -facebook one done? | 13:15 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: facebook is in too :) | 13:15 |
| ScottK | What "it" am I supposed to have to click on? | 13:15 |
| Riddell | ScottK: the large splashs creen | 13:15 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: I also wrote https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportPlasmaWidgetFacebook since I think it would be good on the CD | 13:16 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I'll try again. Honestly I didn't fiddle with it. | 13:16 |
| ScottK | The boot chart looks the same, btw. | 13:16 |
| Riddell | ScottK: doesn't it show when ksplashx starts? | 13:16 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Ah, it's already done? Great | 13:17 |
| ScottK | Riddell: What am I looking for to know it's running? | 13:17 |
| ScottK | I got what looked like a regular usplash. | 13:17 |
| Riddell | ScottK: well ksplashx is the thing with the hard disk, currently you'd need to click on it to get it to disappear and show KDM | 13:18 |
| ScottK | OK | 13:18 |
| ScottK | I'll try that. | 13:18 |
| Riddell | and the question is how soon before kdm_greet does ksplashx start | 13:18 |
| Riddell | and how longer after KDM itself starts does ksplashx get started | 13:18 |
| Riddell | freeflying: I'd like to get plasma-widget-kimpanel tidied up and in the archive, have you tested that it works? | 13:19 |
| * ScottK reboots. | 13:20 | |
| ScottK | Riddell: It booted after I clicked on it. | 13:23 |
| ScottK | err clicked. as there's no mouse to aim the spot to click | 13:23 |
| Riddell | freeflyi2g: ping | 13:26 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: yes that's expected, that'll need some code to work around | 13:27 |
| freeflying | Riddell: pong | 13:27 |
| Riddell | freeflying: I'd like to get plasma-widget-kimpanel tidied up and in the archive, have you tested that it works? | 13:28 |
| freeflying | Riddell: it work with scim only | 13:29 |
| Riddell | freeflying: why not ibus? now version? | 13:29 |
| freeflying | Riddell: ibus was re-implemented with c, but kimpanel work with their python's | 13:30 |
| Riddell | ok thanks | 13:30 |
| Riddell | but should be useful for scim at least | 13:31 |
| freeflying | Riddell: yup | 13:31 |
| Riddell | freeflying: do you know if kimpanel is still being developed and if anyone is going to make it work with the new ibus? | 13:31 |
| freeflying | Riddell: I talked with ibus upstream maybe 2 month ago, they said if used really need such one, they will consider of it | 13:32 |
| Riddell | yes please :) | 13:32 |
| freeflying | :) | 13:32 |
| freeflying | Riddell: btw, a package is in Debain New Queue, can I upload it directly now | 13:34 |
| Riddell | oh interesting | 13:34 |
| Riddell | freeflying: can you just upload that to ubuntu then? I'd like to get it in before feature freeze | 13:35 |
| Riddell | freeflying: is fcitx any use? | 13:35 |
| freeflying | Riddell: some user from china prefer to use fcitx | 13:36 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I added some more boot charts to the same place. The last one is the one with ksplashx enabled, but I don't see it. | 13:38 |
| Riddell | freeflying: no kimpanel in http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html | 13:38 |
| Riddell | ScottK: hmm, that's strange | 13:39 |
| freeflying | Riddell: I'm not mean kinpanel :) | 13:40 |
| freeflying | Riddell: actually, the author hope it can be morged into kdebase or some place like this, thats why didn't push this package so much | 13:41 |
| Riddell | yeah but that won't happen for karmic | 13:41 |
| freeflying | Riddell: if you think its worth, I can upload it | 13:41 |
| freeflying | Riddell: but arne changed the default IM to ibus | 13:42 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I think bootchart is quitting too soon. There must be some knob I need to turn. | 13:42 |
| freeflying | just wonder how many users will use it untill ibus's panel get done | 13:42 |
| Riddell | Comment[fr]=Un panneau générique de messagerie instantanée | 13:44 |
| Riddell | agateau: I think the KDE french translators are getting confused between Instant Messeging and Input Methods :) | 13:44 |
| agateau | Riddell: oh | 13:45 |
| agateau | I am having dinner with french translator coordinator tonight, I'll pass the message :) | 13:45 |
| Riddell | freeflying: some people will probably still use scim? especially if it's integrated with KDE? | 13:45 |
| freeflying | Riddell: yes | 13:50 |
| freeflying | Riddell: but kimpanel still need user to configure it manually before they can use it | 13:50 |
| Riddell | mm, right | 13:51 |
| Riddell | freeflying: so maybe one for the DVD rather than the CD then | 13:51 |
| freeflying | Riddell: considerable | 13:53 |
| Riddell | agateau: I changed the comment to "Comment=A generic input method panel for Oriental languages" although this may be just as confusing since Oriental means something else in French | 13:53 |
| agateau | Riddell: what do you assume "Oriental" means in French? | 13:54 |
| Riddell | agateau: Middle East no? | 13:54 |
| agateau | Oriental[en] = Oriental[fr] | 13:55 |
| agateau | Middle East[en] = Moyen Orient[fr] | 13:55 |
| Riddell | ah, tres bien | 13:55 |
| agateau | so it should be ok :) | 13:55 |
| agateau | you are getting good at this french thing! | 13:55 |
| Riddell | je suis terrible a francais | 13:57 |
| agateau | :) | 13:58 |
| agateau | s/a/en/ | 13:58 |
| Riddell | freeflying: I tidied up the packaging of plasma-widget-kimpanel and uploaded | 14:05 |
| freeflying | Riddell: great | 14:06 |
| MsMaco | are you saying i have to learn a new way to type in japanese? | 14:12 |
| MsMaco | oh yeah, by the way, why does ctrl+shift+u not do anything in kde apps? | 14:12 |
| Riddell | what should it do? | 14:14 |
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| Riddell | maco_: what should it do? | 14:25 |
| maco_ | unicode input | 14:35 |
| maco_ | i thought it was an X thing, but it seems not to work on kde apps | 14:37 |
| maco_ | which leaves me wondering how you type in unicode on kde apps | 14:37 |
| maco_ | in gtk ones, i think ctrl+shift+u and then type in the hex code for the unicode (ex 267a for a recycling icon) and then hit enter and it converts to that unicode character | 14:38 |
| ScottK | Riddell: If you aren't done with your archive duties for the day, I just reuploaded akonadi-googledata with fabo's latest licensing fixes and it could use some New. | 14:39 |
| Riddell | I havn't even started my archive duties for the day :) | 14:39 |
| ScottK | Excellent. | 14:39 |
| Riddell | maco_: hmm, I don't know | 14:41 |
| Guest49177 | I had a problem recently with kde 4.3 todo with the 3rd party 'suse free space notifier' system service. | 14:47 |
| ScottK | Then you should probably ask them about it. | 14:48 |
| Guest49177 | kded4 was running at 100% | 14:48 |
| Guest49177 | scottK, it is bundled with kde 4.3 by default | 14:48 |
| Guest49177 | and I have done some tests | 14:48 |
| ScottK | I see. | 14:49 |
| Guest49177 | with a small home folder on a 'normal' speed hard drive the performance problems are not noticeable | 14:49 |
| Guest49177 | kded4 runs at a cool 4% cpu | 14:49 |
| Guest49177 | but when I mount either a large external hard drive (500GB), kded4 goes crazy at 100%. | 14:50 |
| Guest49177 | I tried leaving it for up to 6 hours but it does not settle | 14:50 |
| ScottK | OK. Unlikely anything we did to it, so your best bet is to file a bug upstream and discuss it with them directly. | 14:50 |
| Guest49177 | killing kded4, unmounting the disk, restarting kde fixes the problem | 14:50 |
| Guest49177 | ScottK, yes, I have already submitted a bug report | 14:51 |
| ScottK | good. | 14:51 |
| Guest49177 | but I just wanted to make you guys awhere of it since it is not a 'required' service... it's a 3rd party plugin from suse that is by no means essential and it should be removed from kubuntu in the meantime | 14:51 |
| Riddell | I'd rather find a fix, I find it very useful myself | 14:52 |
| Guest49177 | I spent some time looking at the code and there is one massive loop in it! | 14:52 |
| Riddell | Guest49177: where did you report a bug? | 14:52 |
| Guest49177 | it makes kded4 totally unresponsive... you can't even log out | 14:52 |
| Guest49177 | with novell | 14:52 |
| Guest49177 | it's new account so they say they have to verify it before it will be submitted | 14:53 |
| Riddell | hmm, typical | 14:53 |
| Guest49177 | and since kded4 is unresponsive you can't disable it under system services | 14:53 |
| Riddell | I see they have some changes so I can update to the latest version from them | 14:53 |
| Riddell | Guest49177: are you running karmic? | 14:54 |
| Guest49177 | Riddell, no sorry, | 14:54 |
| Guest49177 | just the backports | 14:54 |
| Guest49177 | but it's similiar version | 14:54 |
| Guest49177 | I checked | 14:54 |
| Guest49177 | latest kde | 14:54 |
| Guest49177 | 4.3.0 | 14:54 |
| Guest49177 | it's also very noticable with a moderate size usb pen full of mp3... I mounted my 20Gb pen drive and had same problem | 14:55 |
| Guest49177 | I have noticed a few people in #kubuntu reporting similiar problems (not being able to logout)... general sluggishness, etc... I would be my wifes knickers that they are experiencing the same problem | 14:58 |
| * Sime_ just ordered an Intel 80GB SSD. | 14:59 | |
| Guest49177 | Riddell, do you want me to test the latest version | 15:03 |
| Guest49177 | I would be happy todo so on my laptop | 15:03 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: could you take a look at bug 406881 and bug 406881 today? | 15:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 406881 in desktop-effects-kde "Request for removal (binary and source)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406881 | 15:03 |
| Riddell | Guest49177: yes but I can't look at it immediately, can you stick around? | 15:04 |
| * Guest49177 loves his slotted laptop hard drive | 15:04 | |
| Guest49177 | are you here most days? | 15:04 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: Plan for kadu-- maybe employ the service of ancient monks? | 15:05 |
| Riddell | Guest49177: I'm always here | 15:05 |
| ScottK | OK, I was hoping for something like "I had it updated, so I'm going to work on fixing it" | 15:05 |
| JontheEchidna | Heh, I'll look around their bug tracker at least | 15:06 |
| JontheEchidna | if they have one | 15:06 |
| JontheEchidna | eew, mantis bug tracker | 15:06 |
| JontheEchidna | and it's polish | 15:07 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Talk to POX on #ubuntu-motu. He often sponsors it in Debian. | 15:07 |
| ScottK | Riddell: policykit-kde can go away now, right? | 15:09 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yes I thought I had deleted it but seems now | 15:10 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yes I thought I had deleted it but seems not | 15:10 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Need a bug to remember or just going to do it? | 15:10 |
| JontheEchidna | aha: http://www.kadu.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9862 | 15:13 |
| JontheEchidna | http://starowa.one.pl/~uzi/kadu/kadu-gcc44.patch | 15:23 |
| ScottK | Debian should want that too. | 15:23 |
| JontheEchidna | The kadu package is weird, it ships the source as a bzipped tarball | 15:24 |
| JontheEchidna | be back in a bit, then I"ll have a chat with POX | 15:26 |
| ScottK | Great. | 15:28 |
| agateau | Riddell: the necessary libindicate update has landed in main | 15:36 |
| Riddell | agateau: yep, it's on my TODO list for today | 15:37 |
| agateau | Riddell: and I see a patch to add indicator support to Kopete in my crystal ball :) | 15:37 |
| Riddell | ooh, exciting | 15:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: seent he problem with siretart | 15:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm reuploading kubuntu-restricted-extras depending on the stripped packages | 15:38 |
| Riddell | groovy | 15:41 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I'll remember thanks | 15:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: where is this package handled ? there's no info in the source package.... | 15:42 |
| Tonio_ | probably a bzr branch right ? | 15:42 |
| maco_ | ScottK: dan just told me that if you put "auto <interface>" before that stanza that does your wpa in interfaces, itll be configured at boot | 15:43 |
| ScottK | maco_: knetworkmanager is working for me now and I'd rather not leave my wpa password lieing around in a plaintext file, but thanks. | 15:44 |
| maco_ | ohok | 15:44 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: dunno check if there's a branch under ~kubuntu-members else it'll just be the package is the upstream | 15:44 |
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| agateau | Riddell: Kopete patch uploaded: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/indicate/index.html | 15:54 |
| Riddell | ooh ooh | 15:54 |
| agateau | This time I worked straight from the package source, so it's more tested :) | 15:55 |
| agateau | And it's actually implemented as a plugin | 15:55 |
| agateau | So it's easy to turn off | 15:55 |
| Riddell | what should I put on the canonical desktop team meeting report for feature freeze readiness? | 15:58 |
| agateau | Riddell: mmm | 16:01 |
| agateau | Riddell: I'd like to get a Quassel patch ready | 16:01 |
| agateau | Riddell: and probably implement some of the changes mpt suggested | 16:02 |
| Riddell | agateau: what did mpt suggest? | 16:02 |
| agateau | Riddell: quite a few things about application notifications: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD | 16:03 |
| agateau | Riddell: there is stuff for kopete, kpackagekit, powerdevil, quassel, the pastebin applet, lancelot and phonon | 16:04 |
| agateau | Riddell: we reviewed applications using action in notifications during Dublin sprint | 16:04 |
| Riddell | agateau: reviewed them with what outcome? | 16:05 |
| agateau | Riddell: suggested a few changes | 16:05 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: eek, we already have that patch | 16:10 |
| ScottK | Oh. | 16:21 |
| ScottK | Not good. | 16:22 |
| ScottK | agateau: Quassel is doing a 0.5 rc tomorrow that I'll upload before FF. If you have patches, talk to Sput. | 16:22 |
| ScottK | agateau: We're still sticking with our agreement to default off, right? | 16:23 |
| agateau | ScottK: not written yet :/ | 16:23 |
| agateau | yes | 16:23 |
| ScottK | The agreement or the patch? | 16:23 |
| agateau | the patch | 16:23 |
| ScottK | I was speaking generally and not just about Quassel. | 16:23 |
| nixternal | Riddell: groovy on the feedback plugin :) | 16:26 |
| nixternal | anyone else have probs with the new kernel updates? | 16:26 |
| ScottK | I heard bad things about encryptfs | 16:26 |
| Riddell | nixternal: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportPlasmaWidgetKubuntuQaFeedback | 16:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just found a patch for adblock in arora, interested in that before the feature freeze ? | 16:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: importing rules seems to work, subscribing the rules on the fly might need a couple of fixes, but can be disabled later in case won't work... | 16:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: according to my tests it works at least as well as in konqueror... | 16:29 |
| nixternal | ScottK: ya, that's exactly the prob, my encryption | 16:31 |
| ScottK | UR Screwed then. | 16:31 |
| nixternal | still have -6 installed and it works :) | 16:31 |
| ScottK | There you go then. | 16:31 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: interested in arora+adblock ? could make sense for the netbook one (although it'll be preliminary release) | 16:31 |
| nixternal | ya, I always keep around older kernels during dev cycle | 16:32 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: I'm on my way out the door for a meeting. | 16:32 |
| nixternal | ya, the netbook isn't encrypted and it seems to be booting fine with the new kernel | 16:32 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: okay we can discuss this toonight | 16:32 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes but check with upstream if it makes sense to patch or wait for a new release | 16:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sure | 16:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll send an email toonight so that we can decide tomorrow just before the freeze | 16:33 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: On Netbook I don't see a convincing case for Arora over Firefox if we don't use Konqueror as the default. | 16:33 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: lightweight ? :) | 16:34 |
| Tonio_ | firefox is a pain, and especially since 3.5 depends on half of gnome, we cannot consider firefox on the long term plan | 16:34 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: unfortunatelly | 16:34 |
| nixternal | to bad k-meleon wasn't for linux..that would be a great browser for netbooks | 16:34 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: true | 16:35 |
| ScottK | Make google gadgets work with Arora and we'll talk. | 16:35 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: rekonq is pretty well maintained, maybe in a few month we can use it as the default browser... | 16:35 |
| nixternal | I think Google Chrome will be the browser in the future anyways, killing all browser wars :) | 16:35 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: we should ping upstream to give him some kind of motivation | 16:35 |
| nixternal | Tonio_: rekonq pukes on gmail for me, other than that it is pretty nice | 16:35 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: chrome is webkit, as long as we have webkit, I'm fine with it | 16:36 |
| nixternal | it just keeps reloading | 16:36 |
| nixternal | Tonio_: but chrome == GTK :/ | 16:36 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: long term plan, as said :) | 16:36 |
| nixternal | or chromium, or whatever the hell it is called | 16:36 |
| nixternal | the google browser...there, can't go wrong with that one :) | 16:36 |
| Tonio_ | I'd love to ship with opera :) | 16:36 |
| nixternal | did something happen with the kwallet login box for netbooks? it just looked a bit funny...ie. didn't have buttons and stuff, and looked rounded a bit | 16:37 |
| nixternal | Tonio_: oh I would too | 16:37 |
| Tonio_ | but right now, I think we should consider arora for the netbooks, that's the best compromise | 16:37 |
| nixternal | Opera == Qt3 though, and they have a "lite" browser in the works as well | 16:37 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: there's a qt4 shared version of opera right now :) | 16:37 |
| nixternal | oh nice..I will have to take a loo | 16:37 |
| nixternal | k | 16:37 |
| nixternal | you know what...I knew that, and there is an oxygen theme for it too :) | 16:38 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/rc-4570/x86_64-linux/ | 16:38 |
| Tonio_ | rc there :) | 16:38 |
| Tonio_ | hum we'll have to discuss this web browser thing... atm my preference goes to arora on the netbook side | 16:39 |
| nixternal | Tonio_: omg, the new opera 10 stuff rocks | 16:46 |
| nixternal | the tabs are super secksi | 16:46 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 16:50 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: I personnaly prefer the oxygen standard theme, but yeah, it's pretty nice | 16:51 |
| Guest49177 | I am thinking of trying to join in kubuntu development and was just curious about critical patches and how quickly they a pushed through the system | 16:55 |
| Guest49177 | is it a question of waiting on one maintainer or are there a few top level people who can push through changes? | 16:56 |
| Riddell | Guest49177: it's a fairly beurocratic process, due to mistakes having been made in the past and that's very painful | 16:57 |
| Guest49177 | ic | 16:57 |
| Guest49177 | but isn't there like 2or3 generals that are responsible for signing off any update? | 16:58 |
| Riddell | Guest49177: yes, for universe it's the motu-sru team, for main it's pitti and slangasek (who will consult e.g. me for KDE related stuff) | 17:00 |
| Riddell | Guest49177: and we'd love to have you join kubuntu development of course :) | 17:18 |
| === vorian is now known as OldSchool | ||
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: shall I set "Jockey: get it inside System Settings" to postponed? | 17:34 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: SMB sharing postponed presumably? | 17:34 |
| MsMaco | more [enthusiastic] people, more good! | 17:35 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: most probably | 17:37 |
| Guest49177 | nice, | 17:39 |
| Guest49177 | I'll be back soon | 17:39 |
| Riddell | it's apachelogger! he loves us all | 18:08 |
| * Riddell considers rejecting binaries for conky on grounds of namespace pollution | 18:18 | |
| * apachelogger hands everyone a cookie | 18:26 | |
| * ryanakca thanks apachelogger | 18:26 | |
| Riddell | ScottK, fabo: akonadi-google has same issue as before, COPYING is LGPL 3 files are GPL 2 | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | what is akonadi-google? | 18:30 |
| Riddell | a google calendar resource for akonadi | 18:31 |
| Riddell | " It provides an easy access to Google calendars events and contacts. | 18:32 |
| Riddell | " | 18:32 |
| maco | does it include editing? | 18:34 |
| maco | like, can you edit a calendar in kontact and have it push the changes to google's server? | 18:34 |
| === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3-afk | ||
| === OldSchool is now known as they | ||
| neversfelde | maco: yes | 18:56 |
| maco | awesome | 18:56 |
| maco | e-d-s was fail at that ;) | 18:56 |
| neversfelde | well, it was a little bit buggy last time I tested it, but it worked | 18:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, both him and I were not available for that unfortunatelly... | 19:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: personal life took me much of my time latelly, that's changing, fortunatelly :) | 19:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: btw, most or our users don't use that on a regular basis | 19:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I think next LTS should be our target | 19:23 |
| apachelogger | shtylman: we should move the ubiquity style stuff into its own package so kubuntu-firefox-installer can depend on that rather than have a copy of that stuff | 19:39 |
| apachelogger | wallpaper.jpg is making up 90% of the size of k-f-i | 19:39 |
| freinhard | is there a successor of "system services" (kde3 systemsettings) in developement? | 19:42 |
| apachelogger | freinhard: what needs to be successed? | 19:43 |
| freinhard | there was a section in kde3s systemsettings to edit /etc/rc?.d/* | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | not working very well though | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | dunno if that is getting ported | 19:46 |
| freinhard | was that a officially part of systemsettings or a "home brew" debian/kubuntu thing? | 19:47 |
| freinhard | s/ly// | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | pykdeware | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | not specific to debian/buntu though | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | actually I think it eventually originated on mandriva, might be wrong though | 19:48 |
| JontheEchidna | whoa, helluva packagekit update, nice | 19:51 |
| apachelogger | still doesn't do removal though | 19:51 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: so, what was the lzma stuff you were talking about? | 19:51 |
| ghostcube | hmm whats this apple bans linux from apple movies oO | 19:54 |
| ghostcube | wth | 19:54 |
| apachelogger | good thing they are doing | 19:54 |
| apachelogger | oh | 19:55 |
| apachelogger | jeez | 19:55 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: you really want to maintain such a diff to upstream? :P | 19:55 |
| ghostcube | apachelogger, they backaged all in an sstrange way inbto mov and checking what quciktime you running | 19:56 |
| ghostcube | not the english way | 19:56 |
| ghostcube | :D | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | remember | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | I am a ninja | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | I know everything | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | and even more if it appeared in some bug report :P | 19:56 |
| ghostcube | yeah but what should this be a starting war | 19:57 |
| ghostcube | -__- i hate guys doing nothing else than bugs reporting roflmao | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | for one, they might get support requests from unsupported platforms/players ... and for another it is simply their policy | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | they are doing it for years with the ipod | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | or itunes | 19:58 |
| ghostcube | i know but its not nice to do so ... its theire page they can do what they want its theire codec but its just not nice ... | 19:58 |
| ghostcube | :D | 19:58 |
| ghostcube | i decided not to get an iphone | 19:58 |
| ghostcube | :D | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | economy is not nice | 19:58 |
| ghostcube | i now ich bin dipl bw fachrichtung steurrecht | 19:58 |
| ghostcube | :| | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | I don't find it nice that the novell kernel dude didn't tellt he community about MS not following the GPL until they did | 19:59 |
| ghostcube | :| | 19:59 |
| ghostcube | novell is dangerous in my opionion | 19:59 |
| ghostcube | they always have been | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | any company is dangerous :P | 19:59 |
| ghostcube | yeah but sco is history | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | or ... can be ... | 20:00 |
| ghostcube | :D | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | entirely depends on the leadership I suppose | 20:00 |
| ghostcube | yeah thats right | 20:00 |
| ghostcube | look at Apple without stevie they are not really well | 20:00 |
| ghostcube | :D | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | well | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | imagine what they would be with the other stevie :P | 20:01 |
| ghostcube | :D | 20:01 |
| freinhard | sco is history? don't think so http://www.heise.de/newsticker/SCO-vs-Linux-Der-Streit-um-Unix-Copyrights-wird-neu-verhandelt--/meldung/144192 | 20:01 |
| ghostcube | yep i read it i have ct here | 20:01 |
| freinhard | that's todays news. | 20:01 |
| ghostcube | but they only have a chance if the lawyer says it works if they loose the novell process | 20:02 |
| ghostcube | all is over | 20:02 |
| ghostcube | if any germans in and want to have an offtopic :D ##ghost | 20:03 |
| apachelogger | well, some people just don't know when to stop | 20:03 |
| ghostcube | -_- | 20:03 |
| apachelogger | besides, it not about the copyright anyway, just about the money associated with it | 20:03 |
| ghostcube | sure its all about the money especially now | 20:04 |
| ghostcube | we'll see how windows 7 works | 20:04 |
| ghostcube | the macosx and linux alltogether ripped new vista SP4 | 20:04 |
| ghostcube | :S | 20:05 |
| freinhard | found something: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/guidance/guidance-kde4/ | 20:05 |
| ghostcube | hmm the rc settings was very cool in kde3 | 20:05 |
| freinhard | kde4.3's feature plan lists it, but is still a todo: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.3_Feature_Plan#kdeadmin | 20:06 |
| freinhard | does anyone know how i can trust a issuer certificate so kmail doesn't bug me the certificate's issuer isn't trusted? | 20:08 |
| dwidmann_ | Maybe someone in here could answer my PyQt/PyKDE question? http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=76266 | 20:09 |
| freinhard | dwidmann_: both work for me | 20:15 |
| dwidmann_ | freinhard: Okay, that's *very* interesting. Version of Ubuntu? Python? KDE? | 20:16 |
| freinhard | jaunty, 2.6.2, 4.3.0 | 20:16 |
| dwidmann_ | uggghhhh | 20:17 |
| dwidmann_ | I've got the same, and yet the one marked "i_dont.py" still outputs "{}" | 20:17 |
| dwidmann_ | I wonder where my problem lies | 20:18 |
| freinhard | no idea, multicore system? | 20:19 |
| dwidmann_ | Yes. | 20:19 |
| freinhard | k, i'll give it a try on my dualcore machine | 20:20 |
| dwidmann_ | hah! I ssh'd into my laptop and sure enough, it runs there! | 20:22 |
| ghostcube | apachelogger, would it be possible to take the daily ppa from fta into a devel ppa ? | 20:23 |
| ghostcube | for songbiird | 20:23 |
| freinhard | dwidmann_: doesn't work on a dualcore system, but works when runing via ssh -X (singlecore=ssh=>dualcore) | 20:27 |
| Sime_ | dwidmann_: I'll just look something up... give me a sec | 20:29 |
| dwidmann_ | freinhard: you seem to be right ... running it on my laptop physically doesn't work | 20:30 |
| dwidmann_ | but with taskset -c 0 it does | 20:31 |
| * freinhard smells a bug | 20:32 | |
| dwidmann_ | freinhard: Hopefully my fault, that'd be a lot easier to fix | 20:33 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: wha? | 20:35 |
| JontheEchidna | Heh | 20:35 |
| JontheEchidna | kpackagekit now warns that unauthenticated packages were installed | 20:35 |
| JontheEchidna | but after the installation | 20:35 |
| apachelogger | lol | 20:35 |
| Sime_ | dwidmann_: I'm not sure why it is different. The only theory I can think of is that KApplication immediates quits because there is nothing to do. | 20:41 |
| Sime_ | dwidmann_: what happens if you open up a small window to keep the app running? | 20:42 |
| dwidmann_ | Sime_: just a moment, I'll try that theory | 20:42 |
| dwidmann_ | Sime_: no, that doesn't seem to have any effect | 20:45 |
| dwidmann_ | Sime_: also, all the threads really do run, just any signals they try to emit never seem to have any effect | 20:46 |
| Sime_ | dwidmann_: ok, that was my next Q. | 20:46 |
| Sime_ | dwidmann_: I'm out of ideas right now. | 20:48 |
| Sime_ | dwidmann_: and I'm very tired. | 20:49 |
| dwidmann_ | Sime_: yeah ... I've been out of ideas for weeks :( | 20:49 |
| Sime_ | dwidmann_: do you really need threads? Python's multiprocess module might be better and safer. | 20:49 |
| dwidmann_ | I might think of trying that soon (I mean, I definitely know of ways that I may be able to work around this), it's just I'm now very intrigued about figuring out this mystery ... if you know what I mean. | 20:50 |
| Lure | Riddell: who is the right person to look at apport-kde? bug 405378 is really critical for beta... :-( | 20:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 405378 in apport "[karmic] in KDE apport does not open the browser to report a bug" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/405378 | 20:53 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: impossible to build kdelibs against lzma-dev | 20:55 |
| apachelogger | well, not impossible, just not worth the work and diff and everything | 20:55 |
| === zorael_ is now known as Zorael | ||
| apachelogger | woohooo, only waiting on the main inclusion approvals on rcov, rake and racc now \o/ | 21:05 |
| apachelogger | bug http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/nxcompshad-0901240448/nxcompshad_3.3.0-3-0ubuntu1.dsc | 21:11 |
| apachelogger | bug #252755 | 21:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 252755 in ubuntu "[Needs-packaging] nxcompshad" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/252755 | 21:11 |
| apachelogger | that package makes me shiver | 21:22 |
| apachelogger | uh | 21:22 |
| apachelogger | plasma-widget-klicker | 21:22 |
| apachelogger | missing orig.tar.gz | 21:22 |
| apachelogger | oha | 21:23 |
| apachelogger | waheela | 21:23 |
| apachelogger | quintasan needs to push his revu uploads a bit more | 21:24 |
| === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 | ||
| sgh | Hi | 21:34 |
| sgh | Have any of you guys tried e4defrag ? | 21:35 |
| apachelogger | no | 21:41 |
| Tonio_ | why on earth is dragging a file so *horribly* slow on the folderview ??? | 21:54 |
| Tonio_ | it look like working with windows XP on my X86 DX400 (12 years ago...) | 21:55 |
| Tonio_ | honnestly, I don't see kde4 making any progress on that point | 21:56 |
| Tonio_ | when I remember what kde3 was (extremelly configurable, fast desktop env, with sucking bluetooth and network support) | 21:56 |
| Tonio_ | and what is kde4 (extremelly configurable, slow desktop, with sucking bluetooth and network support)... | 21:57 |
| Tonio_ | and announcing more and more and more plasma fancy stuff... I don't feel any questioning about "what do our users want" | 21:57 |
| Tonio_ | I'm getting sick of this actually... | 21:58 |
| * Tonio_ in a bad mood | 21:59 | |
| Tonio_ | and that broken cursor when dragging... still there since kde 4.0 alpha1... | 22:00 |
| === they is now known as vorian | ||
| shtylman | apachelogger: what is kubuntu-firefox-installer? | 23:25 |
| james_w | hey all, anyone who can/wants to upload amarok around? | 23:30 |
| james_w | the amarok in binary NEW apparently doesn't ship any useful files | 23:31 |
| apachelogger | so much for that plan | 23:33 |
| apachelogger | oh my | 23:34 |
| apachelogger | what an ugly package to merge with | 23:34 |
| * apachelogger shivers | 23:34 | |
| apachelogger | james_w: I'll fix and upload | 23:35 |
| james_w | obviously letting it in isn't great | 23:35 |
| james_w | but rejecting from binary NEW leaves a lot of people scratching their heads | 23:35 |
| james_w | thanks apachelogger | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | shtylman: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot017.png | 23:36 |
| apachelogger | shtylman: since we dont have firefox on the desktop CD the plan is to deploy an app that allows easy installation of that fancy browser | 23:36 |
| shtylman | apachelogger: I see some familiar artifacts :) guess the style is reusabe | 23:41 |
| apachelogger | thus we need some common package that kubuntu-firefox-installer can depend on, or any other additional tool we might want to supply with fancy styling :) | 23:42 |
| shtylman | gotcha...alright... I will add to my todo list to break that off into a package ... if we like the styling in general, we might want to call the package something generic like kubuntu-installer-style | 23:46 |
| apachelogger | oh | 23:54 |
| apachelogger | how cute is that | 23:54 |
| apachelogger | can't build amarok source package on jaunty | 23:54 |
| apachelogger | yay for that | 23:54 |
| apachelogger | yay for merging | 23:54 |
| apachelogger | and yay for breaking the package | 23:54 |
| apachelogger | :| | 23:54 |
| apachelogger | shtylman: I suppose that makes most sense | 23:55 |
| shtylman | hahah | 23:58 |
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