[00:11] <ScottK> a|wen: Would you have time to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kairmode ? We want it for Kubuntu Netbook before feature freeze.
[00:22] <neversfelde> koffice 47 %, I guess this will last till tomorrow
[00:24] <neversfelde> ScottK: I was on a vacation for three weeks and I am not up to date anymore. Was kontrolpack backported?
[00:26] <neversfelde> I remember, that you acked it, but I am not sure
[00:26] <Riddell> backports seem to be broken currently
[00:26] <Riddell> the mass-sync script doesn't work for them
[00:26] <Riddell> feel free to do it manually and I'll approve tomorrow
[00:28] <neversfelde> might be the problem
[00:30] <neversfelde> afair there was also no answer in the plasma-widget-plasmaboard vs. kvkbd thread, I think we should keep kvkbd for karmic and probably switch to the widget if it  reach KDE officiallly
[00:31] <Riddell> neversfelde: what do you base that on?
[00:35] <neversfelde> Riddell: both applications are very similar and afaik we do not need the space for karmic?
[00:36] <neversfelde> if the widget goes official KDE, we should switch for karmic +1
[00:37] <Riddell> ok, one less MIR :)
[00:40] <neversfelde> I have a german Howto for disabled persons, who are using KDE on my todo, but this will last till karmic +1. It is important, but very difficult, so I guess, we should use kvkbd in karmic
[00:56]  * shtylman eating done...time to get to work :)
[00:57] <shtylman> me amarok still does't produce sound...its very upsetting
[00:57] <shtylman> actually...I don't think pulse works at all for me.. heh
[01:02] <Riddell> shtylman: remove pulse is the usual answer
[01:02] <shtylman> Riddell: I concur... what do I install in its stead?
[01:03] <Riddell> nothing
[01:04] <shtylman> oh... I think you lost me...
[01:04] <shtylman> oh nvm
[01:04] <shtylman> you are right...
[01:04] <Riddell> KDE is perfectly able to just send its sound to linux
[01:04] <shtylman> no pulse = working
[01:04] <shtylman> :)
[01:04] <shtylman> thanks
[01:04] <Riddell> shtylman: Feature freeze on thursday, are you able to get the slideshow in?
[01:04] <shtylman> the functionality is there in the installer
[01:05] <shtylman> you just need the package that installs the slides to the right location
[01:05] <shtylman> and the installer will use them
[01:05] <shtylman> I can make a quick copy of the gtk slideshow slides and put in some kde-centric stuff for now
[01:05] <shtylman> to get it in before freeze
[01:05] <Riddell> that would be good
[01:05] <shtylman> so we have the ubiquity-slideshow-kde package
[01:06] <shtylman> k...I will do that...and also get my keyboard thing in before the freeze
[01:06] <shtylman> cause that is a *feature*
[01:06] <Riddell> lovely
[01:06] <shtylman> past that...everything else in the installer will be touchup work
[01:06] <Riddell> shtylman: doing the dialogues?
[01:07] <shtylman> you mean themeing for better look?
[01:07] <Riddell> yes
[01:07] <Riddell> we could say that's artwork rather than a a feature
[01:07] <shtylman> yea...I have a few files where I did test runs...and I think I can handle the situation with compositing on and off gracefully enough to try it out
[01:07] <shtylman> k
[01:08] <Riddell> snoozing
[01:08] <shtylman> yea...it is more on the artwork side...ish...there would have to be minimal and non-invasive code changes for it to work
[02:26] <lex79> ScottK: did you upload akonadi-googledata? seems not....
[02:39] <yuriy> pyqt4 seems broken in karmic
[02:41] <yuriy> http://pastebin.com/d4dea6020
[02:41] <yuriy> or pykde4 i guess
[02:43] <yuriy> oh feature freeze is not past yet?
[02:44]  * yuriy should really get userconfig in, so ^^
[02:46] <lex79> yuriy: did you see if in your system there is /usr/share/python-qt4/widget-plugins/kde4.py ?
[02:48] <yuriy> hmm there is
[03:05] <yuriy> it's a symlink to /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyKDE4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py which is there as well
[03:10] <lex79> yuriy: so you have a old version of kdebindings, I fixed this issue yesterday, try to upgrade :)
[03:10] <lex79> the correct symlink is:
[03:10] <lex79> /usr/share/python-qt4/widget-plugins/kde4.py -> ../../../lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py
[03:11] <lex79> and not PyKDE4/uic//widget-plugins/kde4.py
[03:13] <yuriy> lex79: sorry symlink is correct, but the PyQt4 dir doesn't exist (didn't notice i was lsing the wrong thing because of tab completion)
[03:14] <lex79> are you sure? have you kdebindings 4.3.0-0ubuntu3 ?
[03:15] <yuriy> ubuntu2
[03:16] <yuriy> all updated though. maybe it just hasn't hit my mirror
[03:16] <lex79> yuriy: upgrade and check it again if works
[03:16] <lex79> ah
[03:16] <yuriy> i'll see tomorrow, sorry for the fuss
[03:17] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings
[03:17] <lex79> no problem :)
[04:13] <ScottK> lex79: I uploaded it and it got rejected.
[04:13] <lex79> oh :( why?
[04:13] <ScottK> Copyright stuff.  fabo says it's fixed, I just need to lay my hands on the fixed package.
[04:13]  * ScottK looks for it.
[04:14] <lex79> ok
[04:14] <ScottK> Gotta remember where I got the last one.
[04:24] <ScottK> lex79: Tarball is here: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kdetrunk/pool/main/a/akonadi-googledata/akonadi-googledata_1.0.orig.tar.gz
[04:24] <ScottK> I guess I'll fish the packaging out of their svn and see what I can do with it.
[04:25] <lex79> ok thanks
[04:27] <lex79> yes it's fixed in svn http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/akonadi-googledata/trunk/debian/changelog
[04:27] <ScottK> Thanks.
[04:27] <ScottK> I need to get boot speed testing going on this mini 10v first.
[04:30] <lex79> eheheh, you have fun :)
[06:02] <ScottK> Riddell: As promised, here's a stack of bootcharts from a Dell mini 10v with SSD runing Kubuntu Netbook Edition http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/bootcharts/
[06:02] <ScottK> The first couple I had some non-standard stuff running that I killed.
[06:03] <ScottK> They were all (except probably the last one) done with autologin enabled.
[06:07] <MsMaco> ScottK: is a new quassel coming soon?
[06:07] <MsMaco> theyve apparently a new quassel core protocol
[06:07] <ScottK> MsMaco: Yes.  0.5 should get baked tomorrow or Wed.
[06:07] <MsMaco> "protocol 10"
[06:07] <MsMaco> ok
[06:07] <MsMaco> thanks
[06:07] <ScottK> Yep.  So I'm not updating the snapshot now until we get 0.5 so I can put it in backports too.
[06:08] <ScottK> So that way people running cores on jaunty/Intrepid get the same version.
[06:08] <MsMaco> ok. jussi01 already updated his core
[06:08] <MsMaco> so my client is yelling at me
[06:11] <ScottK> It should be just a matter of grabbing the new tarball from github (there's a link on the download page), copying over the debian dir and adding a new debian/changelog entry to update it.
[06:45] <a|wen> ScottK: kairmode review done; there was some issues though ... one of you, ping me when a new one is up, and i'll look at it again
[07:01] <jussi01> MsMaco: sorry, forgot to tell you... :(
[10:49] <ghostcube> goooooooooood mooooooooooooorning problems ....
[10:49] <ghostcube> :)
[10:49] <ghostcube> huhu
[12:49] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see my bootcharts I linked to last night?
[12:50] <Riddell> ScottK: yes not studied them yet
[12:50] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Just wanted to make sure you had them.
[12:50] <Riddell> there seem to be two kdm processes
[12:51] <ScottK> Odd.
[12:51] <ScottK> I didn't really study them beyond making sure nothing obviously non-standard was showing up on them (the first two have Postfix in it and it was affecting the results)
[12:52] <Riddell> there's about 1.5 seconds between the kdm processes, dunno if one is the greeter
[12:52] <Riddell> it could be kdm_greet
[12:53] <Riddell> ScottK: might be worth putting `ksplashx Default` into /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup and seeing where that shows up
[12:54] <ScottK> OK.
[13:11] <ScottK> Riddell: It wouldn't boot.
[13:11] <ScottK> Hung starting the KDE session with the picture of the disk drive showing, but whatever comes next never appeared.
[13:14] <Riddell> nixternal: I packaged and uploaded your feedback plasmoid
[13:14] <Riddell> I'll try and get that set up on my server shortly
[13:15] <Riddell> ScottK: err really, it just froze?
[13:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Yep.  I left it there for over 5 minutes
[13:15] <Riddell> you can't click on it to make it go away?
[13:15] <ryanakca> Riddell: Was the feedback plasmoid python? If so, mind pinging me when you get the source up so I can try to get the -facebook one done?
[13:15] <Riddell> ryanakca: facebook is in too :)
[13:15] <ScottK> What "it" am I supposed to have to click on?
[13:15] <Riddell> ScottK: the large splashs creen
[13:16] <Riddell> ryanakca: I also wrote https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportPlasmaWidgetFacebook since I think it would be good on the CD
[13:16] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll try again.  Honestly I didn't fiddle with it.
[13:16] <ScottK> The boot chart looks the same, btw.
[13:16] <Riddell> ScottK: doesn't it show when ksplashx starts?
[13:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: Ah, it's already done? Great
[13:17] <ScottK> Riddell: What am I looking for to know it's running?
[13:17] <ScottK> I got what looked like a regular usplash.
[13:18] <Riddell> ScottK: well ksplashx is the thing with the hard disk, currently you'd need to click on it to get it to disappear and show KDM
[13:18] <ScottK> OK
[13:18] <ScottK> I'll try that.
[13:18] <Riddell> and the question is how soon before kdm_greet does ksplashx start
[13:18] <Riddell> and how longer after KDM itself starts does ksplashx get started
[13:19] <Riddell> freeflying: I'd like to get plasma-widget-kimpanel tidied up and in the archive, have you tested that it works?
[13:20]  * ScottK reboots.
[13:23] <ScottK> Riddell: It booted after I clicked on it.
[13:23] <ScottK> err clicked.  as there's no mouse to aim the spot to click
[13:26] <Riddell> freeflyi2g: ping
[13:27] <Riddell> ScottK: yes that's expected, that'll need some code to work around
[13:27] <freeflying> Riddell: pong
[13:28] <Riddell> freeflying: I'd like to get plasma-widget-kimpanel tidied up and in the archive, have you tested that it works?
[13:29] <freeflying> Riddell: it work with scim only
[13:29] <Riddell> freeflying: why not ibus?  now version?
[13:30] <freeflying> Riddell: ibus was re-implemented with c, but kimpanel work with their python's
[13:30] <Riddell> ok thanks
[13:31] <Riddell> but should be useful for scim at least
[13:31] <freeflying> Riddell: yup
[13:31] <Riddell> freeflying: do you know if kimpanel is still being developed and if anyone is going to make it work with the new ibus?
[13:32] <freeflying> Riddell: I talked with ibus upstream maybe 2 month ago, they said if used really need such one, they will consider of it
[13:32] <Riddell> yes please :)
[13:32] <freeflying> :)
[13:34] <freeflying> Riddell: btw, a package is in Debain New Queue, can I upload it directly now
[13:34] <Riddell> oh interesting
[13:35] <Riddell> freeflying: can you just upload that to ubuntu then?  I'd like to get it in before feature freeze
[13:35] <Riddell> freeflying: is fcitx any use?
[13:36] <freeflying> Riddell: some user from china prefer to use fcitx
[13:38] <ScottK> Riddell: I added some more boot charts to the same place.  The last one is the one with ksplashx enabled, but I don't see it.
[13:38] <Riddell> freeflying: no kimpanel in http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[13:39] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm, that's strange
[13:40] <freeflying> Riddell: I'm not mean kinpanel :)
[13:41] <freeflying> Riddell: actually, the author hope it can be morged into kdebase or some place like this, thats why didn't push this package so much
[13:41] <Riddell> yeah but that won't happen for karmic
[13:41] <freeflying> Riddell: if you think its worth, I can upload it
[13:42] <freeflying> Riddell: but arne changed the default IM to ibus
[13:42] <ScottK> Riddell: I think bootchart is quitting too soon.   There must be some knob I need to turn.
[13:42] <freeflying> just wonder how many users will use it untill ibus's panel get done
[13:44] <Riddell> Comment[fr]=Un panneau générique de messagerie instantanée
[13:44] <Riddell> agateau: I think the KDE french translators are getting confused between Instant Messeging and Input Methods :)
[13:45] <agateau> Riddell: oh
[13:45] <agateau> I am having dinner with french translator coordinator tonight, I'll pass the message :)
[13:45] <Riddell> freeflying: some people will probably still use scim?  especially if it's integrated with KDE?
[13:50] <freeflying> Riddell: yes
[13:50] <freeflying> Riddell: but kimpanel still need user to configure it manually before they can use it
[13:51] <Riddell> mm, right
[13:51] <Riddell> freeflying: so maybe one for the DVD rather than the CD then
[13:53] <freeflying> Riddell: considerable
[13:53] <Riddell> agateau: I changed the comment to "Comment=A generic input method panel for Oriental languages" although this may be just as confusing since Oriental means something else in French
[13:54] <agateau> Riddell: what do you assume "Oriental" means in French?
[13:54] <Riddell> agateau: Middle East no?
[13:55] <agateau> Oriental[en] = Oriental[fr]
[13:55] <agateau> Middle East[en] = Moyen Orient[fr]
[13:55] <Riddell> ah, tres bien
[13:55] <agateau> so it should be ok :)
[13:55] <agateau> you are getting good at this french thing!
[13:57] <Riddell> je suis terrible a francais
[13:58] <agateau> :)
[13:58] <agateau> s/a/en/
[14:05] <Riddell> freeflying: I tidied up the packaging of plasma-widget-kimpanel and uploaded
[14:06] <freeflying> Riddell: great
[14:12] <MsMaco> are you saying i have to learn a new way to type in japanese?
[14:12] <MsMaco> oh yeah, by the way, why does ctrl+shift+u not do anything in kde apps?
[14:14] <Riddell> what should it do?
[14:25] <Riddell> maco_: what should it do?
[14:35] <maco_> unicode input
[14:37] <maco_> i thought it was an X thing, but it seems not to work on kde apps
[14:37] <maco_> which leaves me wondering how you type in unicode on kde apps
[14:38] <maco_> in gtk ones, i think ctrl+shift+u and then type in the hex code for the unicode (ex 267a for a recycling icon) and then hit enter and it converts to that unicode character
[14:39] <ScottK> Riddell: If you aren't done with your archive duties for the day, I just reuploaded akonadi-googledata with fabo's latest licensing fixes and it could use some New.
[14:39] <Riddell> I havn't even started my archive duties for the day :)
[14:39] <ScottK> Excellent.
[14:41] <Riddell> maco_: hmm, I don't know
[14:47] <Guest49177> I had a problem recently with kde 4.3 todo with the 3rd party 'suse free space notifier' system service.
[14:48] <ScottK> Then you should probably ask them about it.
[14:48] <Guest49177> kded4 was running at 100%
[14:48] <Guest49177> scottK, it is bundled with kde 4.3 by default
[14:48] <Guest49177> and I have done some tests
[14:49] <ScottK> I see.
[14:49] <Guest49177> with a small home folder on a 'normal' speed hard drive the performance problems are not noticeable
[14:49] <Guest49177> kded4 runs at a cool 4% cpu
[14:50] <Guest49177> but when I mount either a large external hard drive (500GB), kded4 goes crazy at 100%.
[14:50] <Guest49177> I tried leaving it for up to 6 hours but it does not settle
[14:50] <ScottK> OK.  Unlikely anything we did to it, so your best bet is to file a bug upstream and discuss it with them directly.
[14:50] <Guest49177> killing kded4, unmounting the disk, restarting kde fixes the problem
[14:51] <Guest49177> ScottK, yes, I have already submitted a bug report
[14:51] <ScottK> good.
[14:51] <Guest49177> but I just wanted to make you guys awhere of it since it is not a 'required' service... it's a 3rd party plugin from suse that is by no means essential and it should be removed from kubuntu in the meantime
[14:52] <Riddell> I'd rather find a fix, I find it very useful myself
[14:52] <Guest49177> I spent some time looking at the code and there is one massive loop in it!
[14:52] <Riddell> Guest49177: where did you report a bug?
[14:52] <Guest49177> it makes kded4 totally unresponsive... you can't even log out
[14:52] <Guest49177> with novell
[14:53] <Guest49177> it's new account so they say they have to verify it before it will be submitted
[14:53] <Riddell> hmm, typical
[14:53] <Guest49177> and since kded4 is unresponsive you can't disable it under system services
[14:53] <Riddell> I see they have some changes so I can update to the latest version from them
[14:54] <Riddell> Guest49177: are you running karmic?
[14:54] <Guest49177> Riddell, no sorry,
[14:54] <Guest49177> just the backports
[14:54] <Guest49177> but it's similiar version
[14:54] <Guest49177> I checked
[14:54] <Guest49177> latest kde
[14:54] <Guest49177> 4.3.0
[14:55] <Guest49177> it's also very noticable with a moderate size usb pen full of mp3... I mounted my 20Gb pen drive and had same problem
[14:58] <Guest49177> I have noticed a few people in #kubuntu reporting similiar problems (not being able to logout)... general sluggishness, etc... I would be my wifes knickers that they are experiencing the same problem
[14:59]  * Sime_ just ordered an Intel 80GB SSD.
[15:03] <Guest49177> Riddell, do you want me to test the latest version
[15:03] <Guest49177> I would be happy todo so on my laptop
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you take a look at bug 406881 and bug 406881 today?
[15:04] <Riddell> Guest49177: yes but I can't look at it immediately, can you stick around?
[15:04]  * Guest49177 loves his slotted laptop hard drive
[15:04] <Guest49177> are you here most days?
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Plan for kadu-- maybe employ the service of ancient monks?
[15:05] <Riddell> Guest49177: I'm always here
[15:05] <ScottK> OK, I was hoping for something like "I had it updated, so I'm going to work on fixing it"
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> Heh, I'll look around their bug tracker at least
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> if they have one
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> eew, mantis bug tracker
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> and it's polish
[15:07] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Talk to POX on #ubuntu-motu.  He often sponsors it in Debian.
[15:09] <ScottK> Riddell: policykit-kde can go away now, right?
[15:10] <Riddell> ScottK: yes I thought I had deleted it but seems now
[15:10] <Riddell> ScottK: yes I thought I had deleted it but seems not
[15:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Need a bug to remember or just going to do it?
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> aha: http://www.kadu.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9862
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> http://starowa.one.pl/~uzi/kadu/kadu-gcc44.patch
[15:23] <ScottK> Debian should want that too.
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> The kadu package is weird, it ships the source as a bzipped tarball
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> be back in a  bit, then I"ll have a chat with POX
[15:28] <ScottK> Great.
[15:36] <agateau> Riddell: the necessary libindicate update has landed in main
[15:37] <Riddell> agateau: yep, it's on my TODO list for today
[15:37] <agateau> Riddell: and I see a patch to add indicator support to Kopete in my crystal ball :)
[15:37] <Riddell> ooh, exciting
[15:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: seent he problem with siretart
[15:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm reuploading kubuntu-restricted-extras depending on the stripped packages
[15:41] <Riddell> groovy
[15:42] <Riddell> ScottK: I'll remember thanks
[15:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: where is this package handled ? there's no info in the source package....
[15:42] <Tonio_> probably a bzr branch right ?
[15:43] <maco_> ScottK: dan just told me that if you put "auto <interface>" before that stanza that does your wpa in interfaces, itll be configured at boot
[15:44] <ScottK> maco_: knetworkmanager is working for me now and I'd rather not leave my wpa password lieing around in a plaintext file, but thanks.
[15:44] <maco_> ohok
[15:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno check if there's a branch under ~kubuntu-members  else it'll just be the package is the upstream
[15:54] <agateau> Riddell: Kopete patch uploaded: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/indicate/index.html
[15:54] <Riddell> ooh ooh
[15:55] <agateau> This time I worked straight from the package source, so it's more tested :)
[15:55] <agateau> And it's actually implemented as a plugin
[15:55] <agateau> So it's easy to turn off
[15:58] <Riddell> what should I put on the canonical desktop team meeting report for feature freeze readiness?
[16:01] <agateau> Riddell: mmm
[16:01] <agateau> Riddell: I'd like to get a Quassel patch ready
[16:02] <agateau> Riddell: and probably implement some of the changes mpt suggested
[16:02] <Riddell> agateau: what did mpt suggest?
[16:03] <agateau> Riddell: quite a few things about application notifications: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD
[16:04] <agateau> Riddell: there is stuff for kopete, kpackagekit, powerdevil, quassel, the pastebin applet, lancelot and phonon
[16:04] <agateau> Riddell: we reviewed applications using action in notifications during Dublin sprint
[16:05] <Riddell> agateau: reviewed them with what outcome?
[16:05] <agateau> Riddell: suggested a few changes
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: eek, we already have that patch
[16:21] <ScottK> Oh.
[16:22] <ScottK> Not good.
[16:22] <ScottK> agateau: Quassel is doing a 0.5 rc tomorrow that I'll upload before FF.  If you have patches, talk to Sput.
[16:23] <ScottK> agateau: We're still sticking with our agreement to default off, right?
[16:23] <agateau> ScottK: not written yet :/
[16:23] <agateau> yes
[16:23] <ScottK> The agreement or the patch?
[16:23] <agateau> the patch
[16:23] <ScottK> I was speaking generally and not just about Quassel.
[16:26] <nixternal> Riddell: groovy on the feedback plugin :)
[16:26] <nixternal> anyone else have probs with the new kernel updates?
[16:26] <ScottK> I heard bad things about encryptfs
[16:27] <Riddell> nixternal: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportPlasmaWidgetKubuntuQaFeedback
[16:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just found a patch for adblock in arora, interested in that before the feature freeze ?
[16:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: importing rules seems to work, subscribing the rules on the fly might need a couple of fixes, but can be disabled later in case won't work...
[16:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: according to my tests it works at least as well as in konqueror...
[16:31] <nixternal> ScottK: ya, that's exactly the prob, my encryption
[16:31] <ScottK> UR Screwed then.
[16:31] <nixternal> still have -6 installed and it works :)
[16:31] <ScottK> There you go then.
[16:31] <Tonio_> ScottK: interested in arora+adblock ? could make sense for the netbook one (although it'll be preliminary release)
[16:32] <nixternal> ya, I always keep around older kernels during dev cycle
[16:32] <ScottK> Tonio_: I'm on my way out the door for a meeting.
[16:32] <nixternal> ya, the netbook isn't encrypted and it seems to be booting fine with the new kernel
[16:32] <Tonio_> ScottK: okay we can discuss this toonight
[16:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes but check with upstream if it makes sense to patch or wait for a new release
[16:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[16:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll send an email toonight so that we can decide tomorrow just before the freeze
[16:33] <ScottK> Tonio_: On Netbook I don't see a convincing case for Arora over Firefox if we don't use Konqueror as the default.
[16:34] <Tonio_> ScottK: lightweight ? :)
[16:34] <Tonio_> firefox is a pain, and especially since 3.5 depends on half of gnome, we cannot consider firefox on the long term plan
[16:34] <Tonio_> ScottK: unfortunatelly
[16:34] <nixternal> to bad k-meleon wasn't for linux..that would be a great browser for netbooks
[16:35] <Tonio_> nixternal: true
[16:35] <ScottK> Make google gadgets work with Arora and we'll talk.
[16:35] <Tonio_> nixternal: rekonq is pretty well maintained, maybe in a few month we can use it as the default browser...
[16:35] <nixternal> I think Google Chrome will be the browser in the future anyways, killing all browser wars :)
[16:35] <Tonio_> nixternal: we should ping upstream to give him some kind of motivation
[16:35] <nixternal> Tonio_: rekonq pukes on gmail for me, other than that it is pretty nice
[16:36] <Tonio_> nixternal: chrome is webkit, as long as we have webkit, I'm fine with it
[16:36] <nixternal> it just keeps reloading
[16:36] <nixternal> Tonio_: but chrome == GTK :/
[16:36] <Tonio_> nixternal: long term plan, as said :)
[16:36] <nixternal> or chromium, or whatever the hell it is called
[16:36] <nixternal> the google browser...there, can't go wrong with that one :)
[16:36] <Tonio_> I'd love to ship with opera :)
[16:37] <nixternal> did something happen with the kwallet login box for netbooks? it just looked a bit funny...ie. didn't have buttons and stuff, and looked rounded a bit
[16:37] <nixternal> Tonio_: oh I would too
[16:37] <Tonio_> but right now, I think we should consider arora for the netbooks, that's the best compromise
[16:37] <nixternal> Opera == Qt3 though, and they have a "lite" browser in the works as well
[16:37] <Tonio_> nixternal: there's a qt4 shared version of opera right now :)
[16:37] <nixternal> oh nice..I will have to take a loo
[16:37] <nixternal> k
[16:38] <nixternal> you know what...I knew that, and there is an oxygen theme for it too :)
[16:38] <Tonio_> nixternal: http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/rc-4570/x86_64-linux/
[16:38] <Tonio_> rc there :)
[16:39] <Tonio_> hum we'll have to discuss this web browser thing... atm my preference goes to arora on the netbook side
[16:46] <nixternal> Tonio_: omg, the new opera 10 stuff rocks
[16:46] <nixternal> the tabs are super secksi
[16:50] <Tonio_> :)
[16:51] <Tonio_> nixternal: I personnaly prefer the oxygen standard theme, but yeah, it's pretty nice
[16:55] <Guest49177> I am thinking of trying to join in kubuntu development and was just curious about critical patches and how quickly they a pushed through the system
[16:56] <Guest49177> is it a question of waiting on one maintainer or are there a few top level people who can push through changes?
[16:57] <Riddell> Guest49177: it's a fairly beurocratic process, due to mistakes having been made in the past and that's very painful
[16:57] <Guest49177> ic
[16:58] <Guest49177> but isn't there like 2or3 generals that are responsible for signing off any update?
[17:00] <Riddell> Guest49177: yes, for universe it's the motu-sru team, for main it's pitti and slangasek (who will consult e.g. me for KDE related stuff)
[17:18] <Riddell> Guest49177: and we'd love to have you join kubuntu development of course :)
[17:34] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: shall I set "Jockey: get it inside System Settings" to postponed?
[17:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: SMB sharing postponed presumably?
[17:35] <MsMaco> more [enthusiastic] people, more good!
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: most probably
[17:39] <Guest49177> nice,
[17:39] <Guest49177> I'll be back soon
[18:08] <Riddell> it's apachelogger!  he loves us all
[18:18]  * Riddell considers rejecting binaries for conky on grounds of namespace pollution
[18:26]  * apachelogger hands everyone a cookie
[18:26]  * ryanakca thanks apachelogger 
[18:29] <Riddell> ScottK, fabo: akonadi-google has same issue as before, COPYING is LGPL 3 files are GPL 2
[18:30] <apachelogger> what is akonadi-google?
[18:31] <Riddell> a google calendar resource for akonadi
[18:32] <Riddell> " It provides an easy access to Google calendars events and contacts.
[18:32] <Riddell> "
[18:34] <maco> does it include editing?
[18:34] <maco> like, can you edit a calendar in kontact and have it push the changes to google's server?
[18:56] <neversfelde> maco: yes
[18:56] <maco> awesome
[18:56] <maco> e-d-s was fail at that ;)
[18:57] <neversfelde> well, it was a little bit buggy last time I tested it, but it worked
[19:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, both him and I were not available for that unfortunatelly...
[19:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: personal life took me much of my time latelly, that's changing, fortunatelly :)
[19:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw, most or our users don't use that on a regular basis
[19:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think next LTS should be our target
[19:39] <apachelogger> shtylman: we should move the ubiquity style stuff into its own package so kubuntu-firefox-installer can depend on that rather than have a copy of that stuff
[19:39] <apachelogger> wallpaper.jpg is making up 90% of the size of k-f-i
[19:42] <freinhard> is there a successor of "system services" (kde3 systemsettings) in developement?
[19:43] <apachelogger> freinhard: what needs to be successed?
[19:45] <freinhard> there was a section in kde3s systemsettings to edit /etc/rc?.d/*
[19:46] <apachelogger> not working very well though
[19:46] <apachelogger> dunno if that is getting ported
[19:47] <freinhard> was that a officially part of systemsettings or a "home brew" debian/kubuntu thing?
[19:47] <freinhard> s/ly//
[19:47] <apachelogger> pykdeware
[19:47] <apachelogger> not specific to debian/buntu though
[19:48] <apachelogger> actually I think it eventually originated on mandriva, might be wrong though
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> whoa, helluva packagekit update, nice
[19:51] <apachelogger> still doesn't do removal though
[19:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: so, what was the lzma stuff you were talking about?
[19:54] <ghostcube> hmm whats this apple bans linux from apple movies oO
[19:54] <ghostcube> wth
[19:54] <apachelogger> good thing they are doing
[19:55] <apachelogger> oh
[19:55] <apachelogger> jeez
[19:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: you really want to maintain such a diff to upstream? :P
[19:56] <ghostcube> apachelogger, they backaged all in an sstrange way inbto mov and checking what quciktime you running
[19:56] <ghostcube> not the english way
[19:56] <ghostcube> :D
[19:56] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:56] <apachelogger> remember
[19:56] <apachelogger> I am a ninja
[19:56] <apachelogger> I know everything
[19:56] <apachelogger> and even more if it appeared in some bug report :P
[19:57] <ghostcube> yeah but what should this be a starting war
[19:57] <ghostcube> -__- i hate guys doing nothing else than bugs reporting roflmao
[19:57] <apachelogger> for one, they might get support requests from unsupported platforms/players ... and for another it is simply their policy
[19:58] <apachelogger> they are doing it for years with the ipod
[19:58] <apachelogger> or itunes
[19:58] <ghostcube> i know but its not nice to do so ... its theire page they can do what they want its theire codec but its just not nice ...
[19:58] <ghostcube> :D
[19:58] <ghostcube> i decided not to get an iphone
[19:58] <ghostcube> :D
[19:58] <apachelogger> economy is not nice
[19:58] <ghostcube> i now ich bin dipl bw fachrichtung steurrecht
[19:58] <ghostcube> :|
[19:59] <apachelogger> I don't find it nice that the novell kernel dude didn't tellt he community about MS not following the GPL until they did
[19:59] <ghostcube> :|
[19:59] <ghostcube> novell is dangerous in my opionion
[19:59] <ghostcube> they always have been
[19:59] <apachelogger> any company is dangerous :P
[20:00] <ghostcube> yeah but sco is history
[20:00] <apachelogger> or ... can be ...
[20:00] <ghostcube> :D
[20:00] <apachelogger> entirely depends on the leadership I suppose
[20:00] <ghostcube> yeah thats right
[20:00] <ghostcube> look at Apple without stevie they are not really well
[20:00] <ghostcube> :D
[20:01] <apachelogger> well
[20:01] <apachelogger> imagine what they would be with the other stevie :P
[20:01] <ghostcube> :D
[20:01] <freinhard> sco is history? don't think so http://www.heise.de/newsticker/SCO-vs-Linux-Der-Streit-um-Unix-Copyrights-wird-neu-verhandelt--/meldung/144192
[20:01] <ghostcube> yep i read it i have ct here
[20:01] <freinhard> that's todays news.
[20:02] <ghostcube> but they only have a chance if the lawyer says it works if they loose the novell process
[20:02] <ghostcube> all is over
[20:03] <ghostcube> if any germans in and want to have an offtopic :D ##ghost
[20:03] <apachelogger> well, some people just don't know when to stop
[20:03] <ghostcube> -_-
[20:03] <apachelogger> besides, it not about the copyright anyway, just about the money associated with it
[20:04] <ghostcube> sure its all about the money especially now
[20:04] <ghostcube> we'll see how windows 7 works
[20:04] <ghostcube> the macosx and linux alltogether ripped new vista SP4
[20:05] <ghostcube> :S
[20:05] <freinhard> found something: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/guidance/guidance-kde4/
[20:05] <ghostcube> hmm the rc settings was very cool in kde3
[20:06] <freinhard> kde4.3's feature plan lists it, but is still a todo: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.3_Feature_Plan#kdeadmin
[20:08] <freinhard> does anyone know how i can trust a issuer certificate so kmail doesn't bug me the certificate's issuer isn't trusted?
[20:09] <dwidmann_> Maybe someone in here could answer my PyQt/PyKDE question? http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=76266
[20:15] <freinhard> dwidmann_: both work for me
[20:16] <dwidmann_> freinhard: Okay, that's *very* interesting. Version of Ubuntu? Python? KDE?
[20:16] <freinhard> jaunty, 2.6.2, 4.3.0
[20:17] <dwidmann_> uggghhhh
[20:17] <dwidmann_> I've got the same, and yet the one marked "i_dont.py" still outputs "{}"
[20:18] <dwidmann_> I wonder where my problem lies
[20:19] <freinhard> no idea, multicore system?
[20:19] <dwidmann_> Yes.
[20:20] <freinhard> k, i'll give it a try on my dualcore machine
[20:22] <dwidmann_> hah! I ssh'd into my laptop and sure enough, it runs there!
[20:23] <ghostcube> apachelogger, would it be possible to take the daily ppa from fta into a devel ppa ?
[20:23] <ghostcube> for songbiird
[20:27] <freinhard> dwidmann_: doesn't work on a dualcore system, but works when runing via ssh -X (singlecore=ssh=>dualcore)
[20:29] <Sime_> dwidmann_: I'll just look something up... give me a sec
[20:30] <dwidmann_> freinhard: you seem to be right ... running it on my laptop physically doesn't work
[20:31] <dwidmann_> but with taskset -c 0 it does
[20:32]  * freinhard smells a bug
[20:33] <dwidmann_> freinhard: Hopefully my fault, that'd be a lot easier to fix
[20:35] <apachelogger> ghostcube: wha?
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> Heh
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> kpackagekit now warns that unauthenticated packages were installed
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> but after the installation
[20:35] <apachelogger> lol
[20:41] <Sime_> dwidmann_: I'm not sure why it is different. The only theory I can think of is that KApplication immediates quits because there is nothing to do.
[20:42] <Sime_> dwidmann_: what happens if you open up a small window to keep the app running?
[20:42] <dwidmann_> Sime_: just a moment, I'll try that theory
[20:45] <dwidmann_> Sime_: no, that doesn't seem to have any effect
[20:46] <dwidmann_> Sime_: also, all the threads really do run, just any signals they try to emit never seem to have any effect
[20:46] <Sime_> dwidmann_: ok, that was my next Q.
[20:48] <Sime_> dwidmann_: I'm out of ideas right now.
[20:49] <Sime_> dwidmann_: and I'm very tired.
[20:49] <dwidmann_> Sime_: yeah ... I've been out of ideas for weeks :(
[20:49] <Sime_> dwidmann_: do you really need threads? Python's multiprocess module might be better and safer.
[20:50] <dwidmann_> I might think of trying that soon (I mean, I definitely know of ways that I may be able to work around this), it's just  I'm now very intrigued about figuring out this mystery ... if you know what I mean.
[20:53] <Lure> Riddell: who is the right person to look at apport-kde? bug 405378 is really critical for beta... :-(
[20:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: impossible to build kdelibs against lzma-dev
[20:55] <apachelogger> well, not impossible, just not worth the work and diff and everything
[21:05] <apachelogger> woohooo, only waiting on the main inclusion approvals on rcov, rake and racc now \o/
[21:11] <apachelogger> bug http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/nxcompshad-0901240448/nxcompshad_3.3.0-3-0ubuntu1.dsc
[21:11] <apachelogger> bug #252755
[21:22] <apachelogger> that package makes me shiver
[21:22] <apachelogger> uh
[21:22] <apachelogger> plasma-widget-klicker
[21:22] <apachelogger> missing orig.tar.gz
[21:23] <apachelogger> oha
[21:23] <apachelogger> waheela
[21:24] <apachelogger> quintasan needs to push his revu uploads a bit more
[21:34] <sgh> Hi
[21:35] <sgh> Have any of you guys tried e4defrag ?
[21:41] <apachelogger> no
[21:54] <Tonio_> why on earth is dragging a file so *horribly* slow on the folderview ???
[21:55] <Tonio_> it look like working with windows XP on my X86 DX400 (12 years ago...)
[21:56] <Tonio_> honnestly, I don't see kde4 making any progress on that point
[21:56] <Tonio_> when I remember what kde3 was (extremelly configurable, fast desktop env, with sucking bluetooth and network support)
[21:57] <Tonio_> and what is kde4 (extremelly configurable, slow desktop, with sucking bluetooth and network support)...
[21:57] <Tonio_> and announcing more and more and more plasma fancy stuff... I don't feel any questioning about "what do our users want"
[21:58] <Tonio_> I'm getting sick of this actually...
[21:59]  * Tonio_ in a bad mood
[22:00] <Tonio_> and that broken cursor when dragging... still there since kde 4.0 alpha1...
[23:25] <shtylman> apachelogger: what is kubuntu-firefox-installer?
[23:30] <james_w> hey all, anyone who can/wants to upload amarok around?
[23:31] <james_w> the amarok in binary NEW apparently doesn't ship any useful files
[23:33] <apachelogger> so much for that plan
[23:34] <apachelogger> oh my
[23:34] <apachelogger> what an ugly package to merge with
[23:34]  * apachelogger shivers
[23:35] <apachelogger> james_w: I'll fix and upload
[23:35] <james_w> obviously letting it in isn't great
[23:35] <james_w> but rejecting from binary NEW leaves a lot of people scratching their heads
[23:35] <james_w> thanks apachelogger
[23:36] <apachelogger> shtylman: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot017.png
[23:36] <apachelogger> shtylman: since we dont have firefox on the desktop CD the plan is to deploy an app that allows easy installation of that fancy browser
[23:41] <shtylman> apachelogger: I see some familiar artifacts :) guess the style is reusabe
[23:42] <apachelogger> thus we need some common package that kubuntu-firefox-installer can depend on, or any other additional tool we might want to supply with fancy styling :)
[23:46] <shtylman> gotcha...alright... I will add to my todo list to break that off into a package ... if we like the styling in general, we might want to call the package something generic like kubuntu-installer-style
[23:54] <apachelogger> oh
[23:54] <apachelogger> how cute is that
[23:54] <apachelogger> can't build amarok source package on jaunty
[23:54] <apachelogger> yay for that
[23:54] <apachelogger> yay for merging
[23:54] <apachelogger> and yay for breaking the package
[23:54] <apachelogger> :|
[23:55] <apachelogger> shtylman: I suppose that makes most sense
[23:58] <shtylman> hahah