[00:11] a|wen: Would you have time to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kairmode ? We want it for Kubuntu Netbook before feature freeze. [00:22] koffice 47 %, I guess this will last till tomorrow [00:24] ScottK: I was on a vacation for three weeks and I am not up to date anymore. Was kontrolpack backported? [00:26] I remember, that you acked it, but I am not sure [00:26] backports seem to be broken currently [00:26] the mass-sync script doesn't work for them [00:26] feel free to do it manually and I'll approve tomorrow [00:28] might be the problem [00:30] afair there was also no answer in the plasma-widget-plasmaboard vs. kvkbd thread, I think we should keep kvkbd for karmic and probably switch to the widget if it reach KDE officiallly [00:31] neversfelde: what do you base that on? [00:35] Riddell: both applications are very similar and afaik we do not need the space for karmic? [00:36] if the widget goes official KDE, we should switch for karmic +1 [00:37] ok, one less MIR :) [00:40] I have a german Howto for disabled persons, who are using KDE on my todo, but this will last till karmic +1. It is important, but very difficult, so I guess, we should use kvkbd in karmic === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [00:56] * shtylman eating done...time to get to work :) [00:57] me amarok still does't produce sound...its very upsetting [00:57] actually...I don't think pulse works at all for me.. heh [01:02] shtylman: remove pulse is the usual answer [01:02] Riddell: I concur... what do I install in its stead? [01:03] nothing [01:04] oh... I think you lost me... [01:04] oh nvm [01:04] you are right... [01:04] KDE is perfectly able to just send its sound to linux [01:04] no pulse = working [01:04] :) [01:04] thanks [01:04] shtylman: Feature freeze on thursday, are you able to get the slideshow in? [01:04] the functionality is there in the installer [01:05] you just need the package that installs the slides to the right location [01:05] and the installer will use them [01:05] I can make a quick copy of the gtk slideshow slides and put in some kde-centric stuff for now [01:05] to get it in before freeze [01:05] that would be good [01:05] so we have the ubiquity-slideshow-kde package [01:06] k...I will do that...and also get my keyboard thing in before the freeze [01:06] cause that is a *feature* [01:06] lovely [01:06] past that...everything else in the installer will be touchup work [01:06] shtylman: doing the dialogues? [01:07] you mean themeing for better look? [01:07] yes [01:07] we could say that's artwork rather than a a feature [01:07] yea...I have a few files where I did test runs...and I think I can handle the situation with compositing on and off gracefully enough to try it out [01:07] k [01:08] snoozing [01:08] yea...it is more on the artwork side...ish...there would have to be minimal and non-invasive code changes for it to work [02:26] ScottK: did you upload akonadi-googledata? seems not.... [02:39] pyqt4 seems broken in karmic [02:41] http://pastebin.com/d4dea6020 [02:41] or pykde4 i guess [02:43] oh feature freeze is not past yet? [02:44] * yuriy should really get userconfig in, so ^^ [02:46] yuriy: did you see if in your system there is /usr/share/python-qt4/widget-plugins/kde4.py ? [02:48] hmm there is [03:05] it's a symlink to /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyKDE4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py which is there as well [03:10] yuriy: so you have a old version of kdebindings, I fixed this issue yesterday, try to upgrade :) [03:10] the correct symlink is: [03:10] /usr/share/python-qt4/widget-plugins/kde4.py -> ../../../lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py [03:11] and not PyKDE4/uic//widget-plugins/kde4.py [03:13] lex79: sorry symlink is correct, but the PyQt4 dir doesn't exist (didn't notice i was lsing the wrong thing because of tab completion) [03:14] are you sure? have you kdebindings 4.3.0-0ubuntu3 ? [03:15] ubuntu2 [03:16] all updated though. maybe it just hasn't hit my mirror [03:16] yuriy: upgrade and check it again if works [03:16] ah [03:16] i'll see tomorrow, sorry for the fuss [03:17] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings [03:17] no problem :) [04:13] lex79: I uploaded it and it got rejected. [04:13] oh :( why? [04:13] Copyright stuff. fabo says it's fixed, I just need to lay my hands on the fixed package. [04:13] * ScottK looks for it. [04:14] ok [04:14] Gotta remember where I got the last one. [04:24] lex79: Tarball is here: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kdetrunk/pool/main/a/akonadi-googledata/akonadi-googledata_1.0.orig.tar.gz [04:24] I guess I'll fish the packaging out of their svn and see what I can do with it. [04:25] ok thanks [04:27] yes it's fixed in svn http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/akonadi-googledata/trunk/debian/changelog [04:27] Thanks. [04:27] I need to get boot speed testing going on this mini 10v first. [04:30] eheheh, you have fun :) [06:02] Riddell: As promised, here's a stack of bootcharts from a Dell mini 10v with SSD runing Kubuntu Netbook Edition http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/bootcharts/ [06:02] The first couple I had some non-standard stuff running that I killed. [06:03] They were all (except probably the last one) done with autologin enabled. [06:07] ScottK: is a new quassel coming soon? [06:07] theyve apparently a new quassel core protocol [06:07] MsMaco: Yes. 0.5 should get baked tomorrow or Wed. [06:07] "protocol 10" [06:07] ok [06:07] thanks [06:07] Yep. So I'm not updating the snapshot now until we get 0.5 so I can put it in backports too. [06:08] So that way people running cores on jaunty/Intrepid get the same version. [06:08] ok. jussi01 already updated his core [06:08] so my client is yelling at me [06:11] It should be just a matter of grabbing the new tarball from github (there's a link on the download page), copying over the debian dir and adding a new debian/changelog entry to update it. [06:45] ScottK: kairmode review done; there was some issues though ... one of you, ping me when a new one is up, and i'll look at it again [07:01] MsMaco: sorry, forgot to tell you... :( === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey [10:49] goooooooooood mooooooooooooorning problems .... [10:49] :) [10:49] huhu [12:49] Riddell: Did you see my bootcharts I linked to last night? [12:50] ScottK: yes not studied them yet [12:50] Riddell: OK. Just wanted to make sure you had them. [12:50] there seem to be two kdm processes [12:51] Odd. [12:51] I didn't really study them beyond making sure nothing obviously non-standard was showing up on them (the first two have Postfix in it and it was affecting the results) [12:52] there's about 1.5 seconds between the kdm processes, dunno if one is the greeter [12:52] it could be kdm_greet [12:53] ScottK: might be worth putting `ksplashx Default` into /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup and seeing where that shows up [12:54] OK. [13:11] Riddell: It wouldn't boot. [13:11] Hung starting the KDE session with the picture of the disk drive showing, but whatever comes next never appeared. [13:14] nixternal: I packaged and uploaded your feedback plasmoid [13:14] I'll try and get that set up on my server shortly [13:15] ScottK: err really, it just froze? [13:15] Riddell: Yep. I left it there for over 5 minutes [13:15] you can't click on it to make it go away? [13:15] Riddell: Was the feedback plasmoid python? If so, mind pinging me when you get the source up so I can try to get the -facebook one done? [13:15] ryanakca: facebook is in too :) [13:15] What "it" am I supposed to have to click on? [13:15] ScottK: the large splashs creen [13:16] ryanakca: I also wrote https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportPlasmaWidgetFacebook since I think it would be good on the CD [13:16] Riddell: I'll try again. Honestly I didn't fiddle with it. [13:16] The boot chart looks the same, btw. [13:16] ScottK: doesn't it show when ksplashx starts? [13:17] Riddell: Ah, it's already done? Great [13:17] Riddell: What am I looking for to know it's running? [13:17] I got what looked like a regular usplash. [13:18] ScottK: well ksplashx is the thing with the hard disk, currently you'd need to click on it to get it to disappear and show KDM [13:18] OK [13:18] I'll try that. [13:18] and the question is how soon before kdm_greet does ksplashx start [13:18] and how longer after KDM itself starts does ksplashx get started [13:19] freeflying: I'd like to get plasma-widget-kimpanel tidied up and in the archive, have you tested that it works? [13:20] * ScottK reboots. [13:23] Riddell: It booted after I clicked on it. [13:23] err clicked. as there's no mouse to aim the spot to click [13:26] freeflyi2g: ping === freeflyi2g is now known as freeflying [13:27] ScottK: yes that's expected, that'll need some code to work around [13:27] Riddell: pong [13:28] freeflying: I'd like to get plasma-widget-kimpanel tidied up and in the archive, have you tested that it works? [13:29] Riddell: it work with scim only [13:29] freeflying: why not ibus? now version? [13:30] Riddell: ibus was re-implemented with c, but kimpanel work with their python's [13:30] ok thanks [13:31] but should be useful for scim at least [13:31] Riddell: yup [13:31] freeflying: do you know if kimpanel is still being developed and if anyone is going to make it work with the new ibus? [13:32] Riddell: I talked with ibus upstream maybe 2 month ago, they said if used really need such one, they will consider of it [13:32] yes please :) [13:32] :) [13:34] Riddell: btw, a package is in Debain New Queue, can I upload it directly now [13:34] oh interesting [13:35] freeflying: can you just upload that to ubuntu then? I'd like to get it in before feature freeze [13:35] freeflying: is fcitx any use? [13:36] Riddell: some user from china prefer to use fcitx [13:38] Riddell: I added some more boot charts to the same place. The last one is the one with ksplashx enabled, but I don't see it. [13:38] freeflying: no kimpanel in http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html [13:39] ScottK: hmm, that's strange [13:40] Riddell: I'm not mean kinpanel :) [13:41] Riddell: actually, the author hope it can be morged into kdebase or some place like this, thats why didn't push this package so much [13:41] yeah but that won't happen for karmic [13:41] Riddell: if you think its worth, I can upload it [13:42] Riddell: but arne changed the default IM to ibus [13:42] Riddell: I think bootchart is quitting too soon. There must be some knob I need to turn. [13:42] just wonder how many users will use it untill ibus's panel get done [13:44] Comment[fr]=Un panneau générique de messagerie instantanée [13:44] agateau: I think the KDE french translators are getting confused between Instant Messeging and Input Methods :) [13:45] Riddell: oh [13:45] I am having dinner with french translator coordinator tonight, I'll pass the message :) [13:45] freeflying: some people will probably still use scim? especially if it's integrated with KDE? [13:50] Riddell: yes [13:50] Riddell: but kimpanel still need user to configure it manually before they can use it [13:51] mm, right [13:51] freeflying: so maybe one for the DVD rather than the CD then [13:53] Riddell: considerable [13:53] agateau: I changed the comment to "Comment=A generic input method panel for Oriental languages" although this may be just as confusing since Oriental means something else in French [13:54] Riddell: what do you assume "Oriental" means in French? [13:54] agateau: Middle East no? [13:55] Oriental[en] = Oriental[fr] [13:55] Middle East[en] = Moyen Orient[fr] [13:55] ah, tres bien [13:55] so it should be ok :) [13:55] you are getting good at this french thing! [13:57] je suis terrible a francais [13:58] :) [13:58] s/a/en/ [14:05] freeflying: I tidied up the packaging of plasma-widget-kimpanel and uploaded [14:06] Riddell: great [14:12] are you saying i have to learn a new way to type in japanese? [14:12] oh yeah, by the way, why does ctrl+shift+u not do anything in kde apps? [14:14] what should it do? === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [14:25] maco_: what should it do? [14:35] unicode input [14:37] i thought it was an X thing, but it seems not to work on kde apps [14:37] which leaves me wondering how you type in unicode on kde apps [14:38] in gtk ones, i think ctrl+shift+u and then type in the hex code for the unicode (ex 267a for a recycling icon) and then hit enter and it converts to that unicode character [14:39] Riddell: If you aren't done with your archive duties for the day, I just reuploaded akonadi-googledata with fabo's latest licensing fixes and it could use some New. [14:39] I havn't even started my archive duties for the day :) [14:39] Excellent. [14:41] maco_: hmm, I don't know [14:47] I had a problem recently with kde 4.3 todo with the 3rd party 'suse free space notifier' system service. [14:48] Then you should probably ask them about it. [14:48] kded4 was running at 100% [14:48] scottK, it is bundled with kde 4.3 by default [14:48] and I have done some tests [14:49] I see. [14:49] with a small home folder on a 'normal' speed hard drive the performance problems are not noticeable [14:49] kded4 runs at a cool 4% cpu [14:50] but when I mount either a large external hard drive (500GB), kded4 goes crazy at 100%. [14:50] I tried leaving it for up to 6 hours but it does not settle [14:50] OK. Unlikely anything we did to it, so your best bet is to file a bug upstream and discuss it with them directly. [14:50] killing kded4, unmounting the disk, restarting kde fixes the problem [14:51] ScottK, yes, I have already submitted a bug report [14:51] good. [14:51] but I just wanted to make you guys awhere of it since it is not a 'required' service... it's a 3rd party plugin from suse that is by no means essential and it should be removed from kubuntu in the meantime [14:52] I'd rather find a fix, I find it very useful myself [14:52] I spent some time looking at the code and there is one massive loop in it! [14:52] Guest49177: where did you report a bug? [14:52] it makes kded4 totally unresponsive... you can't even log out [14:52] with novell [14:53] it's new account so they say they have to verify it before it will be submitted [14:53] hmm, typical [14:53] and since kded4 is unresponsive you can't disable it under system services [14:53] I see they have some changes so I can update to the latest version from them [14:54] Guest49177: are you running karmic? [14:54] Riddell, no sorry, [14:54] just the backports [14:54] but it's similiar version [14:54] I checked [14:54] latest kde [14:54] 4.3.0 [14:55] it's also very noticable with a moderate size usb pen full of mp3... I mounted my 20Gb pen drive and had same problem [14:58] I have noticed a few people in #kubuntu reporting similiar problems (not being able to logout)... general sluggishness, etc... I would be my wifes knickers that they are experiencing the same problem [14:59] * Sime_ just ordered an Intel 80GB SSD. [15:03] Riddell, do you want me to test the latest version [15:03] I would be happy todo so on my laptop [15:03] Riddell: could you take a look at bug 406881 and bug 406881 today? [15:03] Launchpad bug 406881 in desktop-effects-kde "Request for removal (binary and source)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406881 [15:04] Guest49177: yes but I can't look at it immediately, can you stick around? [15:04] * Guest49177 loves his slotted laptop hard drive [15:04] are you here most days? [15:05] ScottK: Plan for kadu-- maybe employ the service of ancient monks? [15:05] Guest49177: I'm always here [15:05] OK, I was hoping for something like "I had it updated, so I'm going to work on fixing it" [15:06] Heh, I'll look around their bug tracker at least [15:06] if they have one [15:06] eew, mantis bug tracker [15:07] and it's polish [15:07] JontheEchidna: Talk to POX on #ubuntu-motu. He often sponsors it in Debian. [15:09] Riddell: policykit-kde can go away now, right? [15:10] ScottK: yes I thought I had deleted it but seems now [15:10] ScottK: yes I thought I had deleted it but seems not [15:10] Riddell: Need a bug to remember or just going to do it? [15:13] aha: http://www.kadu.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9862 [15:23] http://starowa.one.pl/~uzi/kadu/kadu-gcc44.patch [15:23] Debian should want that too. [15:24] The kadu package is weird, it ships the source as a bzipped tarball [15:26] be back in a bit, then I"ll have a chat with POX [15:28] Great. [15:36] Riddell: the necessary libindicate update has landed in main [15:37] agateau: yep, it's on my TODO list for today [15:37] Riddell: and I see a patch to add indicator support to Kopete in my crystal ball :) [15:37] ooh, exciting [15:38] Riddell: seent he problem with siretart [15:38] Riddell: I'm reuploading kubuntu-restricted-extras depending on the stripped packages [15:41] groovy [15:42] ScottK: I'll remember thanks [15:42] Riddell: where is this package handled ? there's no info in the source package.... [15:42] probably a bzr branch right ? [15:43] ScottK: dan just told me that if you put "auto " before that stanza that does your wpa in interfaces, itll be configured at boot [15:44] maco_: knetworkmanager is working for me now and I'd rather not leave my wpa password lieing around in a plaintext file, but thanks. [15:44] ohok [15:44] Tonio_: dunno check if there's a branch under ~kubuntu-members else it'll just be the package is the upstream === maco_ is now known as MsMaco [15:54] Riddell: Kopete patch uploaded: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/indicate/index.html [15:54] ooh ooh [15:55] This time I worked straight from the package source, so it's more tested :) [15:55] And it's actually implemented as a plugin [15:55] So it's easy to turn off [15:58] what should I put on the canonical desktop team meeting report for feature freeze readiness? [16:01] Riddell: mmm [16:01] Riddell: I'd like to get a Quassel patch ready [16:02] Riddell: and probably implement some of the changes mpt suggested [16:02] agateau: what did mpt suggest? [16:03] Riddell: quite a few things about application notifications: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD [16:04] Riddell: there is stuff for kopete, kpackagekit, powerdevil, quassel, the pastebin applet, lancelot and phonon [16:04] Riddell: we reviewed applications using action in notifications during Dublin sprint [16:05] agateau: reviewed them with what outcome? [16:05] Riddell: suggested a few changes [16:10] ScottK: eek, we already have that patch [16:21] Oh. [16:22] Not good. [16:22] agateau: Quassel is doing a 0.5 rc tomorrow that I'll upload before FF. If you have patches, talk to Sput. [16:23] agateau: We're still sticking with our agreement to default off, right? [16:23] ScottK: not written yet :/ [16:23] yes [16:23] The agreement or the patch? [16:23] the patch [16:23] I was speaking generally and not just about Quassel. [16:26] Riddell: groovy on the feedback plugin :) [16:26] anyone else have probs with the new kernel updates? [16:26] I heard bad things about encryptfs [16:27] nixternal: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportPlasmaWidgetKubuntuQaFeedback [16:28] Riddell: I just found a patch for adblock in arora, interested in that before the feature freeze ? [16:29] Riddell: importing rules seems to work, subscribing the rules on the fly might need a couple of fixes, but can be disabled later in case won't work... [16:29] Riddell: according to my tests it works at least as well as in konqueror... [16:31] ScottK: ya, that's exactly the prob, my encryption [16:31] UR Screwed then. [16:31] still have -6 installed and it works :) [16:31] There you go then. [16:31] ScottK: interested in arora+adblock ? could make sense for the netbook one (although it'll be preliminary release) [16:32] ya, I always keep around older kernels during dev cycle [16:32] Tonio_: I'm on my way out the door for a meeting. [16:32] ya, the netbook isn't encrypted and it seems to be booting fine with the new kernel [16:32] ScottK: okay we can discuss this toonight [16:32] Tonio_: yes but check with upstream if it makes sense to patch or wait for a new release [16:33] Riddell: sure [16:33] Riddell: I'll send an email toonight so that we can decide tomorrow just before the freeze [16:33] Tonio_: On Netbook I don't see a convincing case for Arora over Firefox if we don't use Konqueror as the default. [16:34] ScottK: lightweight ? :) [16:34] firefox is a pain, and especially since 3.5 depends on half of gnome, we cannot consider firefox on the long term plan [16:34] ScottK: unfortunatelly [16:34] to bad k-meleon wasn't for linux..that would be a great browser for netbooks [16:35] nixternal: true [16:35] Make google gadgets work with Arora and we'll talk. [16:35] nixternal: rekonq is pretty well maintained, maybe in a few month we can use it as the default browser... [16:35] I think Google Chrome will be the browser in the future anyways, killing all browser wars :) [16:35] nixternal: we should ping upstream to give him some kind of motivation [16:35] Tonio_: rekonq pukes on gmail for me, other than that it is pretty nice [16:36] nixternal: chrome is webkit, as long as we have webkit, I'm fine with it [16:36] it just keeps reloading [16:36] Tonio_: but chrome == GTK :/ [16:36] nixternal: long term plan, as said :) [16:36] or chromium, or whatever the hell it is called [16:36] the google browser...there, can't go wrong with that one :) [16:36] I'd love to ship with opera :) [16:37] did something happen with the kwallet login box for netbooks? it just looked a bit funny...ie. didn't have buttons and stuff, and looked rounded a bit [16:37] Tonio_: oh I would too [16:37] but right now, I think we should consider arora for the netbooks, that's the best compromise [16:37] Opera == Qt3 though, and they have a "lite" browser in the works as well [16:37] nixternal: there's a qt4 shared version of opera right now :) [16:37] oh nice..I will have to take a loo [16:37] k [16:38] you know what...I knew that, and there is an oxygen theme for it too :) [16:38] nixternal: http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/rc-4570/x86_64-linux/ [16:38] rc there :) [16:39] hum we'll have to discuss this web browser thing... atm my preference goes to arora on the netbook side [16:46] Tonio_: omg, the new opera 10 stuff rocks [16:46] the tabs are super secksi [16:50] :) [16:51] nixternal: I personnaly prefer the oxygen standard theme, but yeah, it's pretty nice [16:55] I am thinking of trying to join in kubuntu development and was just curious about critical patches and how quickly they a pushed through the system [16:56] is it a question of waiting on one maintainer or are there a few top level people who can push through changes? [16:57] Guest49177: it's a fairly beurocratic process, due to mistakes having been made in the past and that's very painful [16:57] ic [16:58] but isn't there like 2or3 generals that are responsible for signing off any update? [17:00] Guest49177: yes, for universe it's the motu-sru team, for main it's pitti and slangasek (who will consult e.g. me for KDE related stuff) [17:18] Guest49177: and we'd love to have you join kubuntu development of course :) === vorian is now known as OldSchool [17:34] JontheEchidna: shall I set "Jockey: get it inside System Settings" to postponed? [17:34] Tonio_: SMB sharing postponed presumably? [17:35] more [enthusiastic] people, more good! [17:37] Riddell: most probably [17:39] nice, [17:39] I'll be back soon [18:08] it's apachelogger! he loves us all [18:18] * Riddell considers rejecting binaries for conky on grounds of namespace pollution [18:26] * apachelogger hands everyone a cookie [18:26] * ryanakca thanks apachelogger [18:29] ScottK, fabo: akonadi-google has same issue as before, COPYING is LGPL 3 files are GPL 2 [18:30] what is akonadi-google? [18:31] a google calendar resource for akonadi [18:32] " It provides an easy access to Google calendars events and contacts. [18:32] " [18:34] does it include editing? [18:34] like, can you edit a calendar in kontact and have it push the changes to google's server? === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3-afk === OldSchool is now known as they [18:56] maco: yes [18:56] awesome [18:56] e-d-s was fail at that ;) [18:57] well, it was a little bit buggy last time I tested it, but it worked [19:22] Riddell: yes, both him and I were not available for that unfortunatelly... [19:22] Riddell: personal life took me much of my time latelly, that's changing, fortunatelly :) [19:23] Riddell: btw, most or our users don't use that on a regular basis [19:23] Riddell: I think next LTS should be our target [19:39] shtylman: we should move the ubiquity style stuff into its own package so kubuntu-firefox-installer can depend on that rather than have a copy of that stuff [19:39] wallpaper.jpg is making up 90% of the size of k-f-i [19:42] is there a successor of "system services" (kde3 systemsettings) in developement? [19:43] freinhard: what needs to be successed? [19:45] there was a section in kde3s systemsettings to edit /etc/rc?.d/* [19:46] not working very well though [19:46] dunno if that is getting ported [19:47] was that a officially part of systemsettings or a "home brew" debian/kubuntu thing? [19:47] s/ly// [19:47] pykdeware [19:47] not specific to debian/buntu though [19:48] actually I think it eventually originated on mandriva, might be wrong though [19:51] whoa, helluva packagekit update, nice [19:51] still doesn't do removal though [19:51] ScottK: so, what was the lzma stuff you were talking about? [19:54] hmm whats this apple bans linux from apple movies oO [19:54] wth [19:54] good thing they are doing [19:55] oh [19:55] jeez [19:55] ScottK: you really want to maintain such a diff to upstream? :P [19:56] apachelogger, they backaged all in an sstrange way inbto mov and checking what quciktime you running [19:56] not the english way [19:56] :D [19:56]