[01:19] <maxb> Something weird seems to have happened to update-manager in karmic
[01:19] <maxb> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/1:0.124.8
[01:19] <maxb> The i386 build hasn't published
[01:20] <maxb> cprov: ^ Don't suppose you're around?
[01:26] <cprov> maxb: I am
[01:26] <wgrant> It doesn't look like it should have landed in NEW, although the queue page erroneously indicates that most of the binaries are NEW.
[01:26] <wgrant> It did for the previous upload as well.
[01:27] <maxb> Is something interestingly broken? :-)
[01:28] <cprov> the NEW binaries look weird -> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+queue?queue_state=2&queue_text=update
[01:29] <wgrant> cprov: Yes, but they do in the previous i386 binary upload too.
[01:29] <maxb> that sort of matches with the fact that aptitude is calling update-manager "Obsolete or locally created" here - so I guess their previous publishing has evaporated somehow
[01:30] <wgrant> Um.
[01:30] <wgrant> Indeed.
[01:30] <wgrant> Those binaries are superseded.
[01:30] <wgrant> Oh.
[01:30] <lifeless> \o/ epochs
[01:31] <wgrant> I think that's fine, actually.
[01:31] <wgrant> Oh.
[01:31] <wgrant> Crap.
[01:31] <wgrant> It's that bug again.
[01:31] <wgrant> cprov: Look how many BPPHs there are...
[01:31] <wgrant> There's a problem in the custom upload.
[01:32] <cprov> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/i386/update-manager-core/
[01:32] <wgrant> Yep.
[01:33] <wgrant> Next question... what is wrong with the dist-upgrader upload?
[01:34] <cprov> wgrant: it was already published on disk, during the p-a failures this morning
[01:35] <wgrant> cprov: Ah, so p-a was dying for reasons other than this upload?
[01:35] <cprov> I will wait the current publisher to finish and remove it from the archive.
[01:36] <cprov> wgrant: not really, p-a failed due to a open-fd leak.
[01:36] <lifeless> BjornT: around?
[01:36]  * lifeless is wondering whether we could delete bug status 'New'
[01:36] <lifeless> it seems unnecessary now
[01:36] <wgrant> cprov: Duh. Of course, I should have remembered that.
[01:37] <wgrant> lifeless: What do new bugs start as?
[01:37] <wgrant> (killing "Confirmed", sure. "New"? Not so much.)
[01:37] <lifeless> wgrant: they should start Incomplete ;)
[01:38] <lifeless> incomplete + last comment is not a triager-or-developer == triager-or-developer needs to look at it
[01:38] <wgrant> Mmm. Maybe.
[01:38] <cprov> wgrant: fixed, 0.128.4 published, the i386 bin will show up in the next pub cycle
[01:38] <lifeless> what workflow sets bugs *to* New
[01:39] <lifeless> and what workflow takes bugs out of New
[01:39] <lifeless> now, consider the workflow that takes bugs out of Incomplete.
[01:39] <lifeless> I assert that the last two are the same
[01:39] <lifeless> and the first is the empty set
[01:41] <wgrant> lifeless: The first set is not empty.
[01:41] <lifeless> The answer, AFAICT, is that lp doesn't use roleof(last-toucher) at the moment
[01:41] <wgrant> It is useful if the information has been provided, but it is unclear whether the bug should be Won't Fix or Triaged.
[01:41] <lifeless> wgrant: its used to reopen bugs in ubuntu (which the submitter just commenting and the bug auto-going-to-incomplete would be sufficient)
[01:42] <wgrant> If I fling the bug back to New, it's clear that it needs looking at.
[01:42] <lifeless> wgrant: by whom - you aren't routing it usefully.
[01:42] <wgrant> If I just comment on the Incomplete bug, it will disappear from the radar.
[01:42] <wgrant> Perhaps.
[01:42] <lifeless> if you can't make the asssesment and it needs a dev to do it, Triaged would be the right state.
[01:43] <lifeless> for Ubuntu at least, cause Ubuntu documents that value as 'ready for a dev to look at'
[02:28] <juju2143> Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. <== ...
[02:30] <wgrant> juju2143: Which URL gave you that?
[02:30] <juju2143> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fr/ubuntu-bots/ubotufr/files
[02:30] <wgrant> Ah.
[02:31] <wgrant> Since it's bazaar.launchpad.net, just try again a couple of times. It will probably work.
[02:31] <juju2143> its dont work since someminutes, so...
[02:44] <juju2143> it's work now
[07:28] <daishadar> i've deleted a package from my ppa, and although i don't see it in my package listing anymore, it appears that files are still there (had an upload rejected recently because of it).  how long does it take for the files to disappear?
[07:31] <wgrant> daishadar: You cannot upload the same version again.
[07:31] <wgrant> daishadar: You must change the version number.
[07:32] <maxb> Does LP let me ask to receive copies of mails I send to a mailing list, like other mailman installations do?
[07:33] <wgrant> maxb: No -- you always get copies.
[07:33] <maxb> oh, so I do, they just took a loooooong time to appear
[07:33] <wgrant> (unless you use GMail, but, well, that's GMail)
[07:34] <maxb> and one of them still hasn't
[07:35] <wgrant> maxb: On one of my recent emails, there was 4 minutes of lag between the two forster hops, and 16 minutes inside forster before the first hop out of it.
[07:35] <wgrant> I presume one of those was waiting for moderation.
[07:35] <maxb> I'm talking days :-/
[07:36] <maxb> despite that fact it shows in mhonarc
[07:36] <wgrant> Huh.
[07:36] <wgrant> Nothing crazy like GMail in the equation?
[07:36] <wgrant> What does the trace say?
[07:36] <maxb> trace?
[07:37] <wgrant> maxb: The Received headers.
[07:37] <maxb> uh... well I haven't received it so it would be challenging to inspect the headers :-)
[07:38] <maxb> https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-dev/msg00561.html <-- I never got a copy of this
[07:38] <wgrant> maxb: You have at least one, though.
[07:38] <wgrant> Or were the others not delayed?
[07:39]  * wgrant twitches at the age of the user-agent...
[07:39] <maxb> apologies, looks like my email provider being pathetic and sitting on the mail for 3 days
[07:40] <daishadar> wgrant: really? even after i completely delete the package?
[07:40] <maxb> haha, that's spectacular. I sent it from Thunderbird in Karmic
[07:40] <daishadar> so i can never perform a rebuild?
[07:40] <wgrant> daishadar: It's clearly not the same version of the package, so why would it have the same version number?
[07:41] <daishadar> no, see, the package version changed, but the upstream source did not
[07:41] <daishadar> that's what's getting rejected
[07:41] <daishadar> the pristine source
[07:42] <wgrant> daishadar: Oh. Then the source is obviously not pristine.
[07:42] <wgrant> if it changes, you have violated the definition of the file.
[07:42] <daishadar> it changed because the gzip header changed
[07:42] <wgrant> why did it change?
[07:42] <daishadar> i redownloaded it
[07:42] <daishadar> because i accidentally deleted it
[07:43] <wgrant> Downloading it again will not change a single bit in the file, unless upstream uploaded a new tarball.
[07:43] <daishadar> but more fundamentally, i'm confused why files don't disappaer when i delete them
[07:43] <wgrant> daishadar: They do disappear.
[07:43] <wgrant> But you can't upload one with the same name.
[07:43] <daishadar> really? why is this file still here: https://launchpad.net/~nikil.mehta/+archive/emulators/+files/bsnes_0.049.orig.tar.gz
[07:43] <wgrant> Because that confuses clients, confuses index generators, makes no sense, and probably other things.
[07:44] <daishadar> it's not listed on my ppa anywhere
[07:44] <wgrant> daishadar: Because you requested that file.
[07:44] <wgrant> It is listed, if you look at superseded packages.
[07:44] <daishadar> ohhh
[07:44] <daishadar> how do i do that?
[07:44] <wgrant> On the PPA page, change the Published selector to Superseded or Any Status.
[07:44] <maxb> daishadar: Fundamentally, no versioned filename may ever be reused with different content, within an archive.
[07:44] <daishadar> it says there are 0 superseded packages
[07:45] <wgrant> daishadar: It shows me one...
[07:45] <daishadar> i think the gzip header changed somewhere in the packaged process after i downloaded it (via uscan or uupdate or something)
[07:45] <wgrant> https://edge.launchpad.net/~nikil.mehta/+archive/emulators/?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=superseded&field.series_filter=any
[07:45] <wgrant> daishadar: Why was it being recompressed? Does upstream not provide a .tar.gz?
[07:46] <daishadar> it's a tar.bz2
[07:46] <wgrant> Anyway, the easy fix is to just grab the .orig.tar.gz from Launchpad and use that instead.
[07:46] <daishadar> uscan doesn't like that apparently
[07:46] <daishadar> or maybe launchpad needs a gz, i dunno
[07:46] <daishadar> i see
[07:46] <wgrant> Right, .tar.bz2 is not a widely supported original tarball format for Debian source packages just yet.
[07:47] <daishadar> sorry i was looking the 0 next to superseded in teh build status
[07:47] <daishadar> i see now
[07:47] <daishadar> i think i get it
[07:47] <daishadar> thanks a lot for your help!
[07:47] <wgrant> np
[07:48] <jml> g'night all
[07:58] <maxb> Could someone kick gold? It appears to be sitting permanently idle
[08:10]  * wgrant wonders if the term 'Enablement' was chosen to be deliberately ironic.
[08:11] <wgrant> maxb: Why is your mail client still spoofing an ancient Windows XP Thunderbird?
[08:12] <maxb> An excellent and somewhat amusing question
[08:12] <maxb> user_pref("general.useragent.override", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050923 Thunderbird/1.0.7");
[08:12] <wgrant> I see.
[08:12] <maxb> no idea whatsoever where that came from
[08:13] <wgrant> I was a bit surprised when I first saw "Windows NT 5.1", but I thought I'd let that slide. Then I saw the rest.
[08:31] <maxb> I wonder if that's possibly the first ever version of Thunderbird I used, and it somehow stuck
[09:45] <TNorris> When using a shared repo, do you have to be in each individual folder (branch) to push?
[10:47] <sluimers> Hi there, I'm trying to upload something to the ppa but I get a failed to build message. I'm pretty sure it's due to a dependency, but I do not know how to handle that. Can someone help me with this?
[10:47] <wgrant> sluimers: Sure. Link to the build log?
[10:49] <sluimers> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30804944/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.ika_0.62~1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:49] <sluimers> It's obvious to me it needs corona
[10:50] <sluimers> http://corona.sourceforge.net/
[10:51] <wgrant> sluimers: I can't see a package for that, so you'll need to package it first.
[10:51] <wgrant> sluimers: At this point, #ubuntu-motu might be more help.
[10:52] <sluimers> okay thanks
[11:02] <sluimers> wgrant, are you suggesting I should put corona in the Ubuntu archive?
[11:02] <wgrant> sluimers: Or at least your PPA, yes.
[11:03] <wgrant> sluimers: #ubuntu-motu is also useful for general packaging questions.
[11:53] <sluimers> Okay, I have the same problem with corona now as it depends on libpng
[11:53] <sluimers> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30809648/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.corona_1.0.2~0_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:54] <sluimers> how do I tell the PPA to use this dependency?
[12:08] <maxb> sluimers: Looks like you haven't declared the relevant packages in Build-Depends:
[13:10] <geser> how reliable is the mirroring from Debian packages into LP?
[13:16] <wgrant> geser: Normally it's good, unless the mirror stops updating. But it doesn't catch removals.
[13:16] <wgrant> And a package I just looked at has been missed.
[13:16] <wgrant> Hmmmm.
[13:18] <geser> so why is inotifyx (uploaded to Debian on 2009-08-23) already there but e.g. vboxgtk (2009-08-22) not yet. and ssvnc (new in Debian since 2009-08-23) is also missing
[13:19] <geser> I planned to use it as a replacement for rmadison
[13:19] <ogra> geser, wasnt vboxgtk a manual merge ?
[13:19] <wgrant> geser: lives (NEW) was published in Debian three days ago, and the SPN exists but it's not listed as being in Debian.
[13:20] <wgrant> So something is wrong.
[13:20] <wgrant> ogra: This is the LP import of Debian. Nothing to do with merges.
[13:20] <ogra> oh, k
[13:20] <wgrant> cprov: Any ideas on what gina is playing at?
[13:21] <wgrant> Hm.
[13:21] <cprov> wgrant: just failed with EmailAddressAlreadyTaken
[13:21] <wgrant> I can think of one possibility.
[13:21] <wgrant> Yepo.
[13:21] <wgrant> That's the one.
[13:23] <wgrant> That is plaguing a few things, now...
[13:30] <addikt1ve> hi
[13:31] <addikt1ve> maybe you folks can help me :)
[13:31] <addikt1ve> i have a permissions-related problem
[13:31] <addikt1ve> i'd like to give users the rights to upload things on a bzr branch
[13:32] <spiv> addikt1ve: create a team
[13:32] <spiv> addikt1ve: and make the branch be owned by that team
[13:32] <addikt1ve> spiv: how can I do that?
[13:32] <addikt1ve> i'm not the projet head, i just own a branch
[13:33] <spiv> Or you can use an already existing team, of course.
[13:33] <addikt1ve> piero_: o/
[13:33] <piero_> yo addikt1ve
[13:34] <addikt1ve> yoyo gangsta geek
[13:34] <spiv> addikt1ve: there's a "create a new team" link on the front page of https://launchpad.net/
[13:34] <addikt1ve> spiv: <3
[13:35] <spiv> basically, if a branch is owned by a team, then any member of that team can write to it.
[13:37] <addikt1ve> nice spiv, i created the team
[13:37] <addikt1ve> now how can i give it full control over my branch,
[13:37] <addikt1ve> ?
[13:38] <spiv> addikt1ve: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/TeamBranches
[13:38] <spiv> addikt1ve: that's the proper docs on this topic
[13:39] <spiv> addikt1ve: anyway, to give the team control over your branch, change the owner by clicking the yellow edit icon next to where it lists the owner on that branch's page.
[13:39] <addikt1ve> spiv: great, got it
[13:39] <addikt1ve> thanks!
[13:41] <spiv> addikt1ve: next time, if the team already exists, you can just push the branch directly to ~teamname/... rather than ~yourself/... to create it. :)
[13:45] <addikt1ve> spiv: yeah i just realized :)
[13:49] <epsy> there really needs to be a filter fixed bugs option on launchpad :<
[13:52] <epsy> and a "milestone" column :<
[14:28] <addikt1ve> me again
[14:28] <addikt1ve> i've got a problem with bzr
[14:28] <addikt1ve> i want to get a copy of my branch (translation) and start working on it
[14:28] <addikt1ve> so i bzr branch lp:~inx-translation/inx/translation
[14:28] <addikt1ve> then cd translation
[14:28] <addikt1ve> and when i start creating files in it etc and bzr commit
[14:28] <addikt1ve> it tells me there are no changes to commit
[14:28] <addikt1ve> wtf?
[14:30] <beuno> addikt1ve, have you added the new files?
[14:30] <beuno> "bzr status" will tell you
[14:30] <beuno> if you haven't
[14:30] <beuno> "bzr add" will be your friend
[14:31] <addikt1ve> i need to manually add each file i'm working on?
[14:31] <addikt1ve> look, i just touched pouet
[14:31] <addikt1ve> [addikt1ve@arch translation]$ bzr status
[14:31] <addikt1ve> unknown:
[14:31] <addikt1ve>   pouet
[14:31] <beuno> there you go
[14:32] <beuno> it hasn't been added
[14:32] <beuno> you need to tell bzr when you want to version new files, yes
[14:32] <addikt1ve> ok...
[14:32] <addikt1ve> can i bzr add * ?
[14:33] <wgrant> Plain 'bzr add' will add all unknown files.
[14:33] <addikt1ve> wgrant: thanks :) love you
[14:34] <addikt1ve> it works
[14:34] <addikt1ve> thanks :)
[15:27] <EtienneG> hey guys!
[15:28] <EtienneG> who would be responsible for "janitoring" on LP, like deleting projects, etc
[15:32] <intellectronica> EtienneG: any admin. what is this about?
[15:33] <EtienneG> intellectronica, a friend of mine poked me about https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/80152
[15:34] <EtienneG> intellectronica, he is not super-comfortable in English, hence why he is going through me
[15:34] <EtienneG> intellectronica, they are just wondering the status on that on, it's blocking them from migrating their project from SF
[15:35] <intellectronica> EtienneG: iirc project groups need to be approved by kiko or francis. once approved, any of our sysadmins can do it for you
[15:36] <EtienneG> intellectronica, ok then, I will poke Francis in time
[15:40] <EtienneG> intellectronica, thx a lot, btw!   (I am so rude)
[15:41] <intellectronica> EtienneG: np
[15:48] <happyaron> why my translation download requests don't send me email?
[16:46] <MagicFab> Hi all
[16:46] <MagicFab> I'd like to know how to create a new FAQ in LP. I can't seem to find an easy link to that.
[16:46] <hunal1> Hi there ! I would like to know if it's possible to get help for this: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/80152
[16:47] <MagicFab> Or maybe I have to be an answer contact for a given project to do that ?
[16:47] <hunal1> We are currently migrating and it would be cool to know if we can do something to speed up the process
[16:47] <hunal1> (from sf.net)
[16:48] <MagicFab> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/19146 indicates "it's a bug" without referring to it..
[17:12]  * kfogel is away: lunch + an errand
[17:39] <lbieber> On https://launchpad.net/~drizzle-benchmark, I sometimes get email saying i need to approve an email to this list, but don't see anything that shows the mailing list is configured to require approvals.  Any ideas?
[18:34] <didrocks> hey LP guys, do you have currently an issue with token authentification in launchpadlib?
[18:39] <rowinggolfer> LP admin - an apology.
[18:39] <rowinggolfer> I asked for a package to be removed from my ppa earlier, but hit submit before giving a reason.
[18:39] <rowinggolfer> bad form, many apologies.
[18:39] <rowinggolfer> (package has been removed - ta)
[19:04] <nxvl> hi
[19:05] <nxvl> i'm writing a script to report bugs to an LP project, and i'm not fully getting the bug_target concept
[19:05] <nxvl> and i can't find documentation on the topic
[19:13] <salgado> nxvl, what is it that you don't understand about bug targets?
[19:16] <nxvl> salgado: how do i create one
[19:16] <nxvl> salgado: i have found a lot of examples for ubuntu specifics, but not for other projects
[19:17] <salgado> nxvl, a bug target is what's affected by a given bug. could be a sourcepackage, a distro, a project, etc
[19:18] <nxvl> salgado: so i can use Launchpad.bugs.createBug(target="project") and will work?
[19:18] <salgado> yes
[19:18] <nxvl> awesome, thank you!
[19:25] <kamalnandan> yesterday..i created a OpenID on my ubuntu machine...and also registered the fingerprint with lauchpad..today..when i started tha machine i dont see the keys on my machine anymore..
[19:25] <kamalnandan> wondering what happened to them..?
[19:26] <kamalnandan> any clue folks..what would have happened..?
[19:29] <kamalnandan> this OpenPGP key has been creating problems with me since the last 5 days..
[19:30] <kamalnandan> something or the lese goes wrong and/or gets stuck if I am not having the keys..making me sick..
[19:40] <kamalnandan> no takers for my query..
[21:17] <statik>  hi launchpad people, i have a questions about stacking. i desperately need to push a 2a format branch to a project where the dev focus branch is in an older format. is there a way I can force a branch not to stack?
[21:17] <james_w> statik: you can push to +junk and then move the branch to the project in its edit page I believe
[21:18] <statik> james_w, thanks! i'll try that
[21:22] <statik> james_w, looks like i can change the owner but not the project on the branch edit page
[21:23] <james_w> ah
[21:23] <james_w> I think that might be indirectly my fault, sorry :-)
[21:24] <statik> np :) mwhudson gave me a way to do it
[21:26] <lbieber> Trying again - On https://launchpad.net/~drizzle-benchmark, I sometimes get email saying i need to approve an email to this list, but don't see anything that shows the mailing list is configured to require approvals.  Any ideas?
[21:41] <lifeless> how does one decline a bug nomination these days?
[21:51] <sluimers> Hi, I have PPA issue, the program named ika I'm trying to build depends on corona which I succesfully build in PPA, but it cannot find corona
[21:51] <sluimers> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30830132/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.ika_0.62~3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:51] <sluimers> I have an PPA issue
[21:51] <sluimers> problem
[21:58] <kfogel> do merged branches ever disappear or something?  I'm looking in code.launchpad.net/~kfogel for some old branches that I *know* were there once upon a time -- they even had merge proposals (this is to use one of the MPs as an example in the dev wiki).  But even with filter set to "any status" I can't see those branches now.
[21:58] <kfogel> npm
[21:58] <kfogel> nm
[21:58] <kfogel> ignore my question above please; it's because I was somehow logged out of LP, and they were private branches
[22:44] <cyberix> the milestone visual looks odd at https://edge.launchpad.net/indicator-applet