[00:24] <x1250> akio, yep. What driver? ATI opensource here.
[00:24] <x1250> radeon.
[00:25] <akio> intel
[00:25] <x1250> not driver specific then :)
[00:25] <akio> I'm not sure its the fault of the graphics
[00:25] <akio> right, I was thinking power management
[00:26] <akio> policykit maybe
[00:26] <x1250> uhm, wait, maybe we're talking about different problems. I get some flickering, but it is not the backlight, it just flickers (I think to white, IIRC)
[01:38] <erisa__> Just updated my 9.10 NBR and dist-upgrade wants to remove ubuntu-netbook-remix.  Won't that bork my NBR setup?
[01:40] <x1250> try sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[01:53] <erisa__> x1250: Thanks, that worked.
[01:57] <hal_9> hello, i did an apt-dist upgrade and now it wont boot anymore x, it says "no screens found", geforce 6600 an a tft, any ideas please?
[01:57] <hal_9> apt-get dist-upgrade i mean
[01:58] <bjsnider> hal_9, install nvidia-glx-185
[01:58] <hal_9> okay, i try it, thanks :)
[01:58] <bjsnider> no, no no
[01:59] <bjsnider> do, or do not. there is no try.
[02:00] <hal_9> i do it right now ;)
[02:01] <hal_9> fantastic, thank you bjsnider! :-)
[02:04] <darthanubis> why during these periods between new releases is pulseaudio the FIRST thing to break, and the last thing to get fixed?
[02:04] <darthanubis> Where is Crimson?
[02:04] <acicula> iunno
[02:05] <bjsnider> crimsun, or dtchen, is not here at the present time
[02:06] <bjsnider> usually they're implementing a bunch of new features and have to fix lots o' bugs
[02:11] <bcurtiswx> hmm, cheese webcam booth doesnt seems to record sounds
[02:12] <bcurtiswx> pulse audio doesnt show it on its list of programs recording or outputing sound
[02:12] <bcurtiswx> no does sound recorder
[02:12] <bcurtiswx> nor*
[02:17] <DanaG> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333438
[02:17] <DanaG> grr.
[02:17] <DanaG> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333438
[02:19] <x1250> because pulseaudio sucks?
[02:20] <DanaG> I happen to like Pulseaudio.
[02:20] <DanaG> hmm, are you on 64-bit?
[02:20] <bcurtiswx> 32 bit here
[02:21] <x1250> yeah, but think about it, if pulseaudio wouldn't have appeared, linux sound issues would have bee fixed. Instead, pulseaudio, the new wheel.
[02:23] <x1250> mm, that sounded provocative, no that I read it again. But is not meant as a flame, or anything, is just what I think.
[02:25] <alankila> I almost like pulseaudio personally. At least it can be easily configured to do high-quality resampling. With ALSA you almost could get that same to work, but not quite...
[02:26] <DanaG> hmm, I wonder if "cheese" is doing something odd with audio.  open gstreamer-properties... it should be set to "auto" or "pulseaudio".
[02:30] <bcurtiswx> that did it
[02:30] <bcurtiswx> damn gstreamer
[02:30] <bcurtiswx> <punches gstreamer>
[02:33] <bcurtiswx> i think pulse is great
[02:33] <bcurtiswx> its just not gonna be easy to get a preset config for everyone
[02:33] <bcurtiswx> its very configurable
[02:33] <bcurtiswx> which can be a bad thing
[02:34] <alankila> Don't see much configurability seeping to the end user, though. The GUI is simple enough -- and for the first time literally ever I can pick between meaningful descriptions of inputs and outputs in my soundcard for what actually fits what I have connected
[02:34] <alankila> "I play with digital output and sample with analog input". Amazing. And it works.
[02:35] <DanaG> The bummer for me: it mutes the all cards every time I log in.
[02:35] <bcurtiswx> i guess im more advanced with the sound things i have now.. so i can see your point
[02:35] <alankila> it seems to mute the digital output for all non-pulse apps for me each time I start pulseaudio
[02:35] <alankila> damn thing, if only it left that "Optical Raw" toggle in peace I'd not have a single complaint.
[02:37] <DanaG> oh yeah, and it uses the wrong mixer on my (admittedly buggy) USB sound card.
[02:37] <bcurtiswx> yeah dan chens been doing some great and amazing work with pulse
[02:37] <bcurtiswx> its just not quite "there" yet
[02:37] <DanaG> There's a "Speaker" and a "Speaker 1"... and only the latter works.
[02:37] <DanaG> But, PA uses the first one.
[02:42] <bcurtiswx> Thanks DanaG, adios
[02:43] <DanaG> have a good day, night, evening, or whatever.
[02:43] <bcurtiswx> haha, 9:43 PM for me
[02:43] <DanaG> handy thing: pidgin plugin pack, slashexec plugin.
[02:43] <DanaG> Mon Aug 24 18:43:29 PDT 2009
[02:43] <bcurtiswx> San Fran?
[02:43] <bcurtiswx> Los Ang?
[02:43] <bcurtiswx> Sacrem?
[02:44] <DanaG> Somewhere right about in the middle, between SF and LA.
[02:44] <bcurtiswx> Anaheim?
[02:45] <DanaG> bah, off-topic, anyway.  Hint: check whois.
[02:45] <bcurtiswx> not supported in empathy
[02:45] <bcurtiswx> yet (i hope)
[02:58] <LLStarks> i find it absurd that not even an image leak of the artwork drop is permitted
[02:58] <LLStarks> august 27th is a deliberately late date
[02:58] <LLStarks> to stifle criticism or potential necessary changes
[02:59] <itswhatev> LLStarks: what are you talking about?
[02:59] <alankila> or perhaps to prevent others from stealing your thunder. What artwork drop, some stuff in karmic?
[02:59] <LLStarks> yah
[02:59] <LLStarks> the artwork drop on thursday
[03:00] <itswhatev> screenshots of the desktop?
[03:00] <LLStarks> there are no screenshots
[03:00] <LLStarks> that's the point
[03:00] <LLStarks> we've had not a peep from canonical
[03:01] <itswhatev> weird, i've not met anyone to actually use the stock desktop of any distro.. i never find that stuff useful
[03:03] <alankila> I suppose I use it. I mostly change the background to something else than various shades of poo and orange.
[03:03] <bucky> i do.. especially now that ubuntu is really brown
[03:03] <itswhatev> i would suggest standardizing on gnome-do's docky.. that's what i use, and if i had the time i'd contribute
[03:04] <alankila> I have a 2560x1600 monitor and I enjoy using backdrops that put data to almost every pixel. The stock backgrounds are usually very low detail.
[03:04] <bucky> apt-cache search theme |grep gnome
[03:04] <bucky> there are more
[03:05] <itswhatev> alankila: the best stock bg's are in /usr/share/pixmaps/backgrounds/cosmos :)
[03:06] <alankila> yeah nice but low resolution... that only has data for 25 % of my pixels and rest are produced via interpolation. It won't look too horrible, I guess, but I really prefer crisp detail.
[03:07] <alankila> I wasn't aware of these images... what are they used for, xscreensaver's image screensaver?
[03:08] <DanaG> I have 1920x1200 at 15.4".  really nice and high DPI.
[03:11] <x1250> well, to be honest, I don't like pulseaudio because I has not worked fine for me. In occations high cpu usage, others noice or performance issues. And now something that I can't really ignore: kdenlive just doesn't work! performance goes to 1 or 2 fps per second. Now, I haven no seen that issue with some other software than pulseaudio. And, it has had for me so many issues that I began hating it. BUT I have tested pulseaudio from time to tim
[03:11] <x1250> e. I go back to alsa only when things break up. And sadly, that has been frequent.
[03:13] <x1250> second "I" is a "it". Memory went sleepy.
[03:15] <bjsnider> DanaG, you're really big on the ol' DPI
[03:15] <DanaG> Yup.  It's awesome.
[03:15] <DanaG> Awesomely smooth font rendering.
[03:15] <DanaG> It's about halfway (147dpi) to paper (300dpi).
[03:18] <bjsnider> i don't know that we have the horsepower to create desktops with 300 dpi
[03:18] <DanaG> And on desktop LCDs, about the highest I've seen for any sane price, is 110 DPI.  That sucks.
[03:19] <giovani> DanaG: best to just buy the raw panel on ebay then
[03:19] <DanaG> To get 150 DPI, I'd need a 20 inch, 2560x1600 display.
[03:21] <bjsnider> when quad hd and super-hi-def come in, dot pitches will be a lot higher
[03:22] <DanaG> Oh, and the transition from 16:10 to 16:9 also sucks.
[03:23] <DanaG> It'll be like having my 35-pixel panels suddenly become 95 pixels, in terms of lost screen space.
[03:23] <DanaG> s/ll/d/
[03:29] <keanu> Just tried upgrading to Karmic to see if there were any bugs.  I've only been using it for a few minutes, but I noticed that there's two bugs with sound that might be related:
[03:30] <keanu> On a dell inspiron 1525 with an STAC9228 sound card chip, when using the second headphone jack, if the sum of Headphone 1's level and Master's level is less than or equal to 100, there's no sound
[03:31] <keanu> for example, with Master's volume at 11, and Headphone 1's at 89 (sum of 100) there's no sound
[03:31] <keanu> if either one is increased, the sound's there at decent listening levels
[03:32] <keanu> hmm...that's also true for the first headphone jack as well (simply labeled Headphone in alsamixer)
[03:36] <bjsnider> DanaG, don't webpages and graphcis look quite small on your screen?
[03:36] <DanaG> I just had to set Gnome, and Firefox, to the correct DPI.
[03:36] <DanaG> ... and set a minimum font size.
[03:36] <DanaG> Granted, some badly-coded pages do break, but it's usually not too horrible.
[03:44] <alankila> I think the high DPI is not an end in itself. All that matters is that individual pixels stop being properly distinguishable, and that's a function of the top angle of the pyramid that a single pixel on screen forms when projected into eye.
[03:45] <alankila> One has to admit that many things are a lot easier if you do have extra resolution. Like you can dispense with antialiasing, or defects in that or such don't matter much anymore.
[03:48] <DanaG> Yup, for example, I can run HL2DM at 1920x1200, with no AA, pretty well.
[03:48] <alankila> what I'm getting to is that the optimum has to be not far from 96. Maybe it's a tad higher than that, though.
[03:48] <DanaG> For me, the 147DPI display is significantly easier on my eyes than any other screen I've ever used.
[03:48] <DanaG> The worst screens I've ever used, have been more like 86 DPI.
[03:49] <DanaG> 19" 1280x1024 or 1440x900.
[03:49] <alankila> I don't doubt that.
[03:49] <alankila> We could still improve the 96 dpi by having proper gamma-corrected alphablending for instance.
[03:50] <alankila> What I am getting to, ultimately, is that as soon as individual pixels stop being distinguishable, you can do the rest with algorithms.
[03:50] <alankila> and extremly high DPI can be a very expensive substitute for just using the fewer pixels better.
[03:52] <alankila> it seems to me that 30" monitor necessiates a certain viewing distance where you don't have to crane the neck when you look around the display. It wouldn't make much sense to improve DPI on this at least: you have to be quite far in every case. Conversely, a smaller display but higher DPI might work just as well as this does.
[04:00] <alankila> anyway, been hoping for a long time that somebody would take up the task of writing gamma-corrected alphablending but it looks like you have to do stuff yourself if you want to play with something like that. The basic idea is to not do mixing in RGB colour space but in approximated physical luminosity color space. Some benefits would be like reduced color fringing in subpixel rendering.
[04:00] <alankila> but now I have to sleep.
[04:01] <zaccour> how stable is the alpha right now? i might install it
[04:02] <x1250> zaccour, depends on your hardware and your priorities. Its a matter of luck and personal experience :) I would say that fairly good, but it also has bugs...
[04:04] <zaccour> x1250, i have an msi laptop
[04:04] <zaccour> the webcam doesn't work in current 9.04 though
[04:04] <zaccour> i tried alpha 4 and couldn't get add/remove to open
[04:05] <bjsnider> lol. but now i have to sleep
[04:07] <x1250> well, you should try to get some more information about what happened, console outputs, make a backtrace if you know how. You can report a bug on launchpad.net.
[04:07] <genii> Is the jockey-kde broken? Won't install nvidia or atheros proprietary drivers (even when run with kdesudo)
[04:08] <bjsnider> atheros proprietary drivers (madwifi) are no longer necessary
[04:09] <genii> bjsnider: OK. How about nvidia?
[04:10] <bjsnider> that's only necessary if you don't want a bunch of intolerable problems with your graphics display
[04:11] <dan457> darnit, intel 915 was working..... now display is al glitchy.
[04:14] <zaccour> how is alpha on the msi laptops?
[04:15] <genii> bjsnider: Heh. The prob is it sees I have an 8300 and suggests a driver, but then when proceeding just flashes back again to the main screen without doing the install.
[04:16] <bjsnider> well,just install the nvidia-glx-185 package
[04:16] <bjsnider> make sure the nvidia driver is listed in the xorg.conf file and you'll be ok
[04:17] <bjsnider> then your only problem will be that you're running kde
[04:19] <dan457> anyone fix the problem with kde
[04:19] <dan457> 's package manager
[04:19] <dan457> been using apt-get on all the computers lately...
[04:20] <x1250> you should try aptitude, it can make you really happy in time.
[04:20] <x1250> I never use a gui.
[04:21] <x1250> (because aptitude is so good ofcourse)
[04:21] <dan457> I use both. I have cheated on one box an installe synapic though
[04:21] <sparr> is there a command line tool to automate the "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get -f install;" cycle?
[04:21] <zaccour> does the alpha stage look any different than the current release so far?
[04:22] <dan457> <--one box on 9.04, 3 boxeson 9.10. the karmic boxes mostly work but have issues.
[04:23] <genii> bjsnider: I also use Gnome and XFCE incidentally. :)
[04:23] <dan457> So far more problems with kde than gnome.
[04:25] <bjsnider> i'm just trying to start a pointless kde vs. gnome flame war
[04:25] <dan457> I like both.  :-)
[04:26] <x1250> I have used both too, but dropped kde4 for performance issues. Maybe now that I got a core 2 duo for my inspiron I could give it a try. Also, ati's driver are in good shape, but I expecto that karmic final has better 2D performance.
[04:27] <genii> x1250: 4.3 on my core2duo works tolerably well
[04:28] <x1250> genii, I'll give it a try right now hehe :)
[04:28] <dan457> kde is getting more fun now, but still not as smooth or stable as gnome here
[04:29] <x1250> what is your hardware dan457 ?
[04:29] <dan457> no prformance isuues
[04:29] <x1250> what do you mean by smooth? usability?
[04:29] <dan457>  eeepc 701 though quad core boxes
[04:29] <dan457> more problems with things workin in kde than gnome
[04:29] <zaccour> how is the msi laptops for alpha stage right now?
[04:29] <x1250> okay
[04:29] <dan457> performance is fine for both
[04:30] <x1250> good. I'm downloading packages.
[04:30] <dan457> eeepc intel 915 chipset was great, best speed ever, but when I updated today it's glitchy
[04:31] <zaccour> is there a new theme yet? lol
[04:32] <x1250> As things have developed, I doubt there will be a revolutionary theme, ever. Just more alternatives.
[04:33] <x1250> and evolutionary good improvements ofcourse.
[04:33] <zaccour> i'd like to see more colorful themes
[04:34] <zaccour> however i do like the brown/orange default theme
[04:35] <x1250> I'd like to see improvements on video editing. Cinelerra is dead? I've seen no commit for months. On the other side, kdenlive seems very active. And it has a very nice interface, it crashes less also. And... it reads AVCHD files, and everything ffmpeg and mlt allows.
[04:36] <x1250> It has rough edges, I have reported 4 bugs in jut a few days. But videos are completely doable. Very good.
[04:37] <x1250> well, I'm out for a KDE4 test.
[04:37] <zaccour> is the package management and desktop stable?
[04:43] <x1250> refreshing! I like it, actually. Looks very nice.
[04:44] <dan457> It has some nice tricks
[04:44] <x1250> I will purge gnome, and use kde for a while. Nautilus is hitting 100% usage a lot, so a nice vacation from that nightmare will be ok.
[04:45] <x1250> too much whites for me tho, I like dark themes.
[04:58] <histo> Trying to figure out why the mini.iso is failing right now.
[04:58] <histo> ughh. karmic hates me.
[04:58] <histo> zaccour: there are a few problems right now
[04:59] <histo> zaccour: as there will be for a while
[05:09] <dtchen> as a heads-up, 2.6.31-7-generic breaks encrypted lvm really, really badly.
[05:09] <bjsnider> why would the kernel do that
[05:10] <dtchen> changes to md?
[05:10] <bjsnider> that's in the kernel? i thought it was separate
[05:11] <dtchen> without md, you have no lvm
[05:11] <bjsnider> linus should be told
[05:11] <dtchen> no, we need to reproduce it in 2.6.31-rc7 vanilla
[05:12] <dtchen> i'm not terribly keen about losing another two hours of troubleshooting time, but here goes
[05:12] <bjsnider> somebody was asking for you earlier
[05:12] <bjsnider> pulse problem of some kind
[05:12] <dtchen> make sure he's/she's running the latest
[05:13] <jml> hi
[05:13] <bjsnider> it's darthanubis
[05:13] <dtchen> (1:0.9.16~test6-3-g57e1-0ubuntu1)
[05:13] <jml> my most recent update seems to break skype
[05:13] <jml> is there a known workaround?
[05:14] <dtchen> skype is broken due to ia32-libs no longer shipping the 32-bit pulse bits
[05:14] <dtchen> plenty of bugs and dupes on launchpad for it
[05:14] <dtchen> sorry, but i really need to fix my karmic system ATMM
[05:14] <jml> dtchen, no worries, that's a big help -- I'll look into it on LP
[05:15] <histo> okay this system is out to get me now
[05:15] <histo> mini.iso is broken right now
[05:23] <MsMaco> lvm users, do not install the -7 kernel
[05:37] <MsMaco> crimsun: ive already said "lvm users, dont install the -7 kernel" dont worry
[05:42] <DanaG> hmm, should change "should avoid"  to something stronger?
[05:42] <DanaG> like, encrypted LVM users: 2.6.31-7-generic IS BROKEN.
[05:42] <DanaG> or WILL BREAK THINGS.
[05:47] <MsMaco> or WILL NOT BOOT
[05:52] <DanaG> If that's what it is, then yes.
[05:53] <DanaG> or:   2.6.31-7.27-generic WON'T BOOT on LVM.
[05:59] <mac_v> weird! i cannot get sound from dual apps in my profiles but when i create a new profile i am able to get sound from multiple apps! how do i solve this?
[06:03] <MsMaco> DanaG: not sure if itll boot on non-lvm. i havent been crazy enough to try rebooting into it since crimsun told me his machine wouldnt boot :)
[06:03] <MsMaco> upstream rc7 boots though
[06:04] <darthanubis> so KDE can't play flash and mp3s without pulse?
[06:06] <MsMaco> kubuntu shouldnt need pulse...
[06:07] <darthanubis> shouldnt
[06:07] <DanaG>   * Enable net redirections, now that bash isn't the default shell     anymore. LP: #215034.
[06:07] <DanaG> yay.
[06:07] <darthanubis> but in truth no mp3s play without it. And no sound from flash
[06:08] <MsMaco> you sure its not the two-apps-trying-at-once thing?
[06:12] <darthanubis> I'm sure
[06:13] <darthanubis> pulseaudio is starting to become a bad word
[06:15] <DanaG> wait, is Flash trying to take an exclusive lock on the device?
[06:20] <mac_v> could someone confirm this? Bug #411274
[06:20] <bucky> the sound in youtube cuts off when i move the volume slider on the panel nest to time/date/calendar
[06:26] <newser> are there any new features Karmic Koala will have that the current distribution doesn't have?
[06:27] <SwedeMike> most likely.
[06:27] <SwedeMike> that's usually what happens when you have a new version.
[06:29] <newser> any clues?
[06:29] <SwedeMike> about what?
[06:30] <SwedeMike> if you are looking for the new features, I suggst googling for "new features in karmic koala" and see what you find.
[06:30] <SwedeMike> suggest
[06:32] <durt> anyone know what {a} means after a package name when doing an apt-get install?
[06:40] <cwillu> automatically installed I _think_
[06:40] <cwillu> "man apt-get", and then /{a}<enter> (or /\{a\}<enter>) might tell you more
[06:40] <cwillu> or not
[06:41] <cwillu> looks like an aptitude thing, and that's indeed what it means there
[06:42]  * cwillu pokes durt with the make-sure-he-saw-that stick
[06:43] <durt> Ow... first time I've seen it with apt-get.
[06:44] <cwillu> apt-get has been receiving some attention in the last couple releases, I'm not surprised to see it growing such things
[06:44] <cwillu> could check the changelog to make sure though
[06:44] <cwillu> !changelog
[06:44]  * cwillu turns in
[07:06] <jetsaredim> is there any way to troubleshoot package install failure
[07:07] <jetsaredim> one of the package deps had a configuration error and want to figure out what the problem is
[07:07] <jetsaredim> package in question is mediatomb
[07:09] <durt> log is /var/log/apt/term.log
[07:10] <jetsaredim> ruh roh
[07:11] <jetsaredim> it initially failed due to a script already existing in /etc/init.d/
[07:11] <jetsaredim> so I got rid of it so that when i reinstalled the package it would get past that check
[07:11] <jetsaredim> but now the file's still not there
[07:12] <darthanubis> where is the faq for kubuntu not being able to play audio from more than one source
[07:12] <jetsaredim> and trying to re"install" the package just returns a rather cryptic error
[07:12] <darthanubis> I got rid of pulse, now I need to correct this issue
[07:12] <durt> jetsaredim, and the error message would be?
[07:13] <jetsaredim>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[07:13] <jetsaredim> yes, that's a lot of descriptive words, but not the right ones
[07:14] <jetsaredim> i suppose i could find the package tree in lp.n and see where the error is coming from
[07:15] <durt> I wonder if there's some sort of verbose output that would give you a line number?
[07:16] <durt> similar to a bash script
[07:17] <jetsaredim> i tried aptitude -v install, but that didn't offer much more help
[07:17] <jetsaredim> i also tried dpkg-reconfigure
[07:17] <jetsaredim> but that just tells me what i already know - that the package is broken
[07:20] <jetsaredim> hmm - maybe i'll try reinstalling from scratch and see if i can get some better results
[07:20] <jetsaredim> cheers
[07:22] <durt> jetsaredim, the post-int script might be in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[07:34] <darthanubis> flash 10 audio is killing audio in kubuntu 9.10
[07:34] <darthanubis> JC STILL we can't get sound working without all this BS
[07:35] <darthanubis> we REALLY have to do this EVERY release?
[07:36] <hifi> lol, blame adobe
[07:37] <mac_v> darthanubis: try this , create a new user and test sound in a new user profile, see if everything works fine there?
[07:38] <darthanubis> sorry, but I can't do anything with rookie advice
[07:38] <mac_v>  i cannot get sound from dual apps in my profile but when i create a new profile i am able to get sound from multiple apps! how do i solve this?
[07:38] <darthanubis> I need serious solutions
[07:38] <darthanubis> and it seems pulseaudio is tied to all my kde apps
[07:39] <mac_v> your wish ,
[07:39] <darthanubis> I can just tell you guys are guessing
[07:40] <mac_v> darthanubis: since no one really knows the ans... you can wait for final release for product to be better or try contacting the actual devs ;)
[07:40] <mac_v> s/for/of
[07:40] <darthanubis> wrong again
[07:41] <darthanubis> someone knows
[07:41] <mac_v> yes , the actual devs
[07:41] <darthanubis> wrong again
[07:42] <mac_v> darthanubis: first of , my advice was not a solution to your problem , it was a debug to test if something is messed up with your profile or not... it is not a solution but rather a path to narrowing it down
[07:59] <darthanubis> pulse-rt group is missing
[08:20] <rohdef> anyone active or is it as futile to ask as usual?
[08:21] <SwedeMike> rohdef: if you don't ask, it's 0% chance you'll get an answer.
[08:22] <rohdef> that's true, I'm just used to silence :p
[08:22] <mac_v> !anyone | rohdef
[08:23] <rohdef> I can't find libgecko-cil or any packages like it. Are they removed, and what do I do if a compilation depends on it?
[08:24] <SwedeMike> libgecko2.0-cil - CLI binding for the GtkMozEmbed library, unstable version
[08:24] <rohdef> mac_v, hmmm, I might not be innocent on the "Does anybody" part :S ... bummer
[08:24] <SwedeMike> rohdef: is that it?
[08:25] <SwedeMike> that's from 9.04, not 9.10 though
[08:25] <mpontillo> I'm finding that with Karmic the PCM volume in alsamixer is set way too high - and so my speakers sound really lousy. however whenever I lower the PCM volume, something (pulseaudio?) lowers the master volume instead.
[08:25] <rohdef> I don't think so
[08:25] <rohdef> they are python bindings, what I need is C# (mono) bindings
[08:25] <mpontillo> some forum threads suggest shutting down pulseaudio, then saving the alsa mixer settings - but when I run /usr/bin/pulseaudio --kill, pulseaudio restarts itself - and I'm not sure what's restarting it...?
[08:25] <rohdef> I think at least, two secs
[08:26] <rohdef> SwedeMike, can you find the first package you wrote in aptitude/synaptic/whatever?
[08:26] <SwedeMike> rohdef: sudo apt-cache searc libgecko
[08:26] <SwedeMike> search
[08:27] <rohdef> SwedeMike, no result for mine :S
[08:27] <SwedeMike> try adding more sources for apt, like universe
[08:28] <rohdef> SwedeMike, I have all except source code, can it be a source thing?
[08:28] <SwedeMike> I have no idea.
[08:29] <rohdef> I'll give it a try
[08:29] <rohdef> no luck
[08:29] <rohdef> can I have a copy of a clean /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:30] <rohdef> (or at least relatively clean)
[08:48] <rohdef> never mind, I'll just download the iso and copy it from there :) thanks for the help SwedeMike
[09:01] <richardcavell> I'm wondering if the new pulse audio updates are going to get my sound working.  Has anyone installed them?
[09:03] <Machtin> i wonder if i still have pulseaudio o.O
[09:04] <Machtin> beacuse.. The program 'pulseaudio' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[09:04] <Machtin> however, sound still works..
[09:09] <richardcavell> some people who have uninstalled pulseaudio claim that it fixes their sound
[09:10] <Machtin> interesting.. might work - since it is not installed here. o.O
[09:10] <Machtin> which brings to my mind: i wanted to buy a x-fi titanium.
[09:18] <Machtin> Would that one just work? i think i read it was supposed to be included in 2.6.31
[09:31] <nzmm> has the youtube plugin beenr emoved from totem in karmic?
[09:34] <mac_v> nzmm: are you not getting a prompt to install the flash plugin? or ...?
[09:37] <nzmm> No.  Totem had a youtube plugin in prior releases.  See here: http://tecnocode.co.uk/2007/10/12/totem-youtube-plugin/
[09:38] <nzmm> But i cant see it in totem and i cant see any package in synaptic that looks like its the plugin either
[09:52] <skazi21101> i just had updated my system and i see some big trouble. update-manager disappeared. i can even intall it. what is this?
[09:53] <mvo> skazi21101: updated from 9.04 to 9.10 alpha?
[09:54] <skazi21101> it was 9.10. i opened update-manager and just get patial update
[09:54] <mvo> skazi21101: what changes did it made then ? or did it crash while performing this update?
[09:54] <mvo> skazi21101: if the later, do you have a crash file in /var/crash ?
[09:54] <skazi21101> no. it didn`t crash
[09:55] <skazi21101> it just removes update-manager
[09:55] <nzmm> skazi21101:  wait a few hours and use aptitutude safe-upgrade
[09:55] <skazi21101> are you sure&
[09:55] <nzmm> not really
[09:55] <nzmm> but dont see why it wouldnt
[09:56] <nzmm> its prob just a dependency issue
[09:56] <skazi21101> what cen replace update-maneger?
[09:56] <nzmm> synaptic if you like a gui
[09:57] <skazi21101> i mean. if i would like to do realese upgrade?
[09:58] <nzmm> what do you mean by release upgrade?
[09:58] <skazi21101> update-manager -d
[09:59] <skazi21101> what can do this command?
[09:59] <nzmm> are you already using 9.10 or are you on 9.04
[09:59] <nzmm> ?
[10:00] <skazi21101> already 9.10
[10:01] <nzmm> i would use 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[10:02] <nzmm> actually 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[10:02] <nzmm> see how that works for you
[10:02] <nzmm> skazi21101: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1248915
[10:06] <skazi21101> thanks
[10:07] <skazi21101> it seems that there is no such version of update-manager that will work with 9.10 at this moment.
[10:08] <nzmm> like i said wait a few hours the packages will come
[10:08] <skazi21101> thanks a lot!
[10:09] <vak> hi all
[10:09] <vak> I just updated my Ubuntu Karmic and it doesn't boot into X :(
[10:09] <nzmm>  :(
[10:09] <vak> both "startx" and "modprobe nvidia" says "module nvidia not found"
[10:09] <skazi21101> vak: i had this problem
[10:10] <skazi21101> vak: flgrx doesn`t start
[10:10] <vak> skazi21101: oh, did you solve it?
[10:10] <mac_v> mvo: hi... a couple of bugs i had mentioned to you regarding gnome-codec-install and the update manager grabbing focus , shall i assign them to you as a reminder ?
[10:11] <skazi21101> vak: and i was unable to solve it. i just format disk, keeping  /home and install it again.
[10:11] <mvo> mac_v: I fixed one focus bug the other day, but please give me the bug numbers and I check
[10:11] <skazi21101> what it says&
[10:11] <vak> skazi21101: oh... paifull....
[10:11] <skazi21101> vak: what it says in dmesg?
[10:11] <vak> *painfull
[10:11] <mvo> mac_v: I may work on them after feature freeze, before may be busy
[10:11] <skazi21101> vak: startx?
[10:12] <mac_v> mvo: no probs, they are just bugs ;) no hurry let me get the bug number
[10:12] <vak> skazi21101: startx says "module nvidia not found"
[10:13] <nzmm> vak:  try uninstall the drivers?
[10:13] <skazi21101> vak: yes
[10:14] <vak> nzvm: skazi21101: unistall all nvidia* stuff?
[10:14] <skazi21101> ТЩ
[10:14] <skazi21101> NO
[10:14] <vak> oh
[10:15] <mac_v> mvo: Bug #391479 is the focus grab, i'm not sure if the gnome-codec-install bug is fixed or not > Bug #405155 has the list of all the codec bugs
[10:15] <skazi21101> read some thing about installing fglrx with nvidia drivers. i must go
[10:16] <vak> skazi21101: OK, спасибо
[10:18] <nzmm> vak: try sudo aptitude remove nvidia-glx-185
[10:18] <nzmm> then log try to restart the session
[10:19] <nzmm> then try*
[10:19] <vak> nzmm: hm, for some reasn I have nvidia-glx-180, whereas all other nvidia stuff is 185...
[10:20] <vak> nzmm: maybe that's the reason?
[10:20] <nzmm> maybe
[10:20] <nzmm> i would remove all of those 180 packages
[10:20] <nzmm> then install nvidia-glx-185 afresh
[10:22] <nacho_> hi
[10:23] <nacho_> anybody has the problem of not having "setenv" ?
[10:23] <nzmm> hi
[10:24] <vak> nzmm:  thanks man! :)
[10:24] <nzmm> vak:  np
[10:24] <vak> nzmm: now I can boot again!
[10:25] <alankila> setenv is in particular shell
[10:25] <alankila> tcsh, right? You have other ways to deal with environment on bash.
[10:26] <nacho_> alankila, the other day I've installed csh to track a bug on gedit, I removed csh and now I have setenv complaining when I start gnome-terminal
[10:26] <nacho_> it says that setenv doesn't exist
[10:26] <alankila> and tcsh = fail, so don't try to use it as shell. I had an annoying sysadmin who force-fed tcsh to everyone.
[10:27] <alankila> so? Get rid of whatever piece of program you have wherever you have it that tries to execute the setenv...
[10:27] <nacho_> the problem is that I don't know which program is trying to execute setenv
[10:27] <alankila> ok, well, grep setenv from $HOME/.* first
[10:27] <nacho_> and the weird thing is that echo $SHELL says /bin/csh
[10:27] <alankila> if that doesn't find it, it's probably in /env
[10:28] <alankila> What does "ps" say, does it say bash, csh, or something else?
[10:28] <alankila> in /etc I meant, anyway
[10:28] <nacho_> just bash
[10:29] <alankila> hum, interesting. So it claims to use an uninstalled shell... What does "which csh" say?
[10:29] <nacho_> nothing
[10:30] <alankila> Hmm. Try to change shell back to /bin/bash with chsh
[10:30] <alankila> in case it isn't already /bin/bash.
[10:31] <mvo> skazi21101: I added update-manager now to update-managers removal blacklist :)
[10:31] <nacho_> alankila, making chsh -s /bin/bash already says /bin/csh when echo $SHELL
[10:32] <skazi21101> mvo: and how it can help me? i don`t understand?
[10:32] <nacho_> maybe some kind of weird thing in the alternatives
[10:32] <alankila> nacho_: err... "already" /bin/csh? This is getting ridiculous.
[10:32] <mvo> skazi21101: well, you mentioned earlier that during a partial upgrade update-manager removed itself, in the future this will not happen anymore
[10:32] <nacho_> and in /etc/passwd says /bin/bash too
[10:33] <alankila> nacho_: ok. So I bet something somewhere is changing the SHELL=something to something else. Your task is to find that program and kill it with extreme prejudice.
[10:33] <alankila> it's likely a terrible statement like "export SHELL=/bin/csh", which makes 0 sense
[10:33] <skazi21101> mvo: man, i want it back. maybe you better tell me how make it come back?
[10:33] <nacho_> alankila, I agree it has to be something like that
[10:34] <mvo> skazi21101: what does "sudo apt-get install update-manager" in a terminal print?
[10:34] <skazi21101> it says no such package
[10:34] <alankila> nacho_: it might be somewhere in /etc, like /etc/profile.d or something... It's hard to say, but it's probably leftover configuration from your csh install
[10:34] <mvo> skazi21101: and sudo apt-get update ? does that print errors?
[10:34] <skazi21101> no
[10:35] <alankila> one easy way to fix that might be to install it back, then apt-get --purge remove csh. That removes also leftover config files. If that fixes it, you should open a bug: installing csh hoses bash, not good.
[10:35] <nacho_> alankila, doesn't seem to be in /etc as I already greped there and didn't find anything
[10:35] <nacho_> I already purged it
[10:35] <nacho_> BTW with root echo $SHELL says /bin/bash
[10:35] <mvo> skazi21101: that is odd, what does your /etc/apt/sources.list contain?
[10:36] <nacho_> so I can imagin csh overrided something in my user config
[10:36] <alankila> nacho_: ok, so it plugged some shit in your home dir then.
[10:37] <alankila> man bash lists the files it reads from home dir in the FILES section, so check those
[10:37] <nacho_> ok
[13:55] <diverse_izzue> an upgrade this morning installed packagekit for me? is karmic going to use packagekit?
[14:00] <Bauldrick> hello, I run kubuntu-netbook and have just upgraded - but after logging in I see a black screen, kubuntu-netbook suggest I come here and ask about disabling kernel modesetting? Any help
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:18] <BluesKaj> this is a known bug , dunno yet if it affects anything , but was wondering if others have the same warning : WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/lsb_release.py is linked but does not belong to any package.
[14:20] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: yes everyone should get that warning
[14:21] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: im thinking they just changed the link in /debian/links file
[14:21] <gnomefreak> its not hurting anything
[14:23] <BluesKaj> ok well i have a python script and I hope the path hasn't changed
[14:27] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: why on earth when one installs the kubuntu-restricted-extras it wants to pull a font form sourceforge which is a .exe
[14:28] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: dont know you may want to ask in #kubuntu or someone that knows more about it. i will look at the package in a minute
[14:28] <eagles0513875> this is on karmic
[14:28] <eagles0513875> i am running it on a vm
[14:29] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: do you know what .exe it wasnt?
[14:29] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: its some font exe from source forge
[14:29] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: kubuntu-restricted-extras should be the same on jaunty as it is in karmic
[14:29] <gnomefreak> ah well that explains it
[14:30] <eagles0513875> corefonts which is having issues resolving the site name
[14:30] <iPoRn> i'm trying to edit the "login screen" but, i have a problem, i don't have the option Login Window Preference on "System > Administration > Login Window Preferences"
[14:30] <eagles0513875> http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
[14:30] <eagles0513875> that is what its trying to download
[14:31] <gnomefreak> alot of fonts dont support linux
[14:31] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: you dont have the menu entry ?
[14:31] <gnomefreak> damn
[14:31] <IdleOne> np
[14:31] <gnomefreak> iPoRn: you dont have the menu entry?
[14:32] <iPoRn> gnomefreak, no ;/
[14:32] <gnomefreak> look in system-pref-main menu see if it is there under admin
[14:32] <gnomefreak> iPoRn: ^^^
[14:33] <gnomefreak> i cant recall if it was shown by default
[14:33] <iPoRn> i've been searching, but i can't find a way to change it
[14:33] <mandara> iPoRn, what do you want to edit? What  to change?
[14:33] <iPoRn> i want to change the login screen
[14:33] <gnomefreak> iPoRn: ok hold opn a sec.
[14:34] <mandara> iPoRn, you mean theme
[14:34] <iPoRn> i'm not sure if the Login Screen, is a part of the Theme, or not
[14:34] <iPoRn> but, probably is
[14:35] <gnomefreak> i know one package that provides it IIRC its gnome-art
[14:37] <iPoRn> i've installed gnome-art, will try with that one
[14:37] <iPoRn> tks
[14:38] <gnomefreak> gnome-splashscreen-manager might help instead of gnome-art
[14:38] <gnomefreak> nope thats not it
[14:38] <mandara> iPoRn, I think you can't currently change anything about Login screen, except make user login automatically
[14:39] <iPoRn> with gnome-art, there about 200 login screens
[14:39] <gnomefreak> gnome-art should do it
[14:40] <gnomefreak> yeah thats right bvecause they have the lgin  differently
[14:41] <gnomefreak> iPoRn: right now you cant change anything theme wise just "show the screen for choosing who logs in" and "login as $name automaticly"
[14:42] <iPoRn> hum...ok
[14:43] <gnomefreak> be back in a few need to make a call
[14:51] <shadeslayer> more updates :D
[15:04] <arvind_khadri> hi, i am on 9.04 now... if i change the instances of jaunty in sources.list and then do a dist-upgrade will i come to karmic?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> arvind_khadri: probably.....
[15:05] <arvind_khadri> shadeslayer, ok so how do i come to karmic, without doing a fresh install
[15:06] <shadeslayer> !upgrade | arvind_khadri
[15:07] <shadeslayer> arvind_khadri: youll be downloading alot of packages..... you could be using a upgrade cd as well
[15:08] <arvind_khadri> shadeslayer, doesnt it work like debian?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> arvind_khadri: what does debian do?
[15:10] <arvind_khadri> shadeslayer, when you change the instances of the name , and then hit a dist-upgrade you go to the next version...
[15:10] <vasuvi> I installed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on my system; is there any way to get Ubuntu to use it without manually editing xorg.conf?
[15:10] <shadeslayer> arvind_khadri: ive never attempted that
[15:11] <bjsnider> vasuvi, what does it use instead?
[15:13] <vasuvi> bjsnider: nv
[15:13] <bjsnider> and what graphics card is this?
[15:13] <vasuvi> GeForce 5200
[15:13] <bjsnider> that's tough
[15:13] <bjsnider> i'm not sure nouveau would work on that old card as well as nv would
[15:14] <vasuvi> (yeah, old and slow one I know, but that's what a relative's computer has ;) )
[15:14] <vasuvi> so you think it's not worth it to use nouveau then?
[15:14] <bjsnider> nouveau is more appropriate for geforce 8k/9k cards
[15:14] <vasuvi> ah, ok
[15:14] <bjsnider> the x server in this case is picking the right driver
[15:14] <bjsnider> but you can at least try it
[15:15] <vasuvi> so if I were to repeat the exercise on a computer with a, say, 8800 GT, it should automatically pick nouveau you think?
[15:15] <bjsnider> it should
[15:15] <bjsnider> if not, then a bug should be filed
[15:15] <bjsnider> but with that card, you should be using the nvidia binary blob
[15:16] <vasuvi> okies; I'll try it out with an Ubuntu nightly when I get back home then :)
[15:16] <vasuvi> as for the binary blob, nah, if I wanted to play games I'd boot up into Windows; for all other purposes I can think of (sans wobbly windows), nouveau should be good enough
[15:17] <vasuvi> and open-source is one of the reasons I got into Linux in the first place, and prefer to use it whenever possible
[15:24] <shadeslayer> bjsnider: i have a 8600 M GT....is it better than the nvidia 190 drivers?
[15:24] <bjsnider> nouveau?
[15:24] <bjsnider> no
[15:24] <shadeslayer> bjsnider: yep
[15:25]  * shadeslayer sticks to the nvidia 190 drivers then
[15:36] <shadeslayer> oh and btw is dbus broken in KDE?
[15:37] <shadeslayer> i cant seem to change my laptop to powersaving mode.....it could be power-devil as well.....not sure though
[15:41] <darthanubis> anyone playing two sources of sound at the same time in kubuntu 9.10. I remember fixing this issue in 9.04 but can't find the same fix.
[15:48] <bjsnider> darthanubis, i talked to dtchen on your behalf last night. he said make sure you're running the latest pulseaudio release
[15:49] <BluesKaj> Dunno if you guys noticed but it seems ffmpeg is the stripped version on medibuntu now ...it suddenly stopped working on my video transfers to the TiVo.
[15:50] <BluesKaj> neither medibuntu nor kubuntu-restricted-extras contain the required decoding capabilities anymore. As much as I fear svn's flakiness , I had no choice but to use it for the ffmpeg build.
[15:52] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: is power devil working for you?
[15:53] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, no it never has :)
[15:54] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, I'm a manual type user , even the shautdown procedure doesn't work from kicker anymore , i just halt  from the shell
[16:00] <BluesKaj> suddenly lots of stuff is begining to break , or is it just my setup ...
[16:10] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: same here
[16:11] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: its like a mid aplha break down
[16:27] <Cyberkilla> Hello again
[16:27] <Cyberkilla> ;)
[16:36] <itswhatev> just want to verify.. the current rt kernel only supports one proc/1 core correct?
[17:29] <sparr> php is causing apache to segfault, anyone else experiencing that problem?
[17:33] <buch> Anyone have any idea why i cant install the latest ati catalyst in the latest kernel?
[17:33] <bjsnider> buch, because ati has not made the driver buildable on the latest kernel
[17:34] <bjsnider> and won't until karmic is ready to be released, probably
[17:34] <buch> ahh okay
[17:35] <mac_v> buch: BTW , i use ATI too , why is the need for a catalyst? does it improve anything?
[17:35] <giovani> buch: use nvidia cards, you'll be much happier
[17:36] <bjsnider> or use another ati graphics driver. i can't say which one. it is difficult to keep track of their many drivers.
[17:36] <buch> Well i do use nvidia on my desktop but on my notebook
[17:36]  * alankila thinks radeonhd is pretty good driver overall.
[17:36] <alankila> but then again, I have 2 or 3 year old laptop.
[17:36]  * mac_v too^
[17:36] <bjsnider> is work still proceeding on radeonhd? they fired one of the devs
[17:36] <buch> Actually i saw a youtube vidoe where someone were useing the latest kernel and the latest ati catalyst - and the fliggering shit were solved
[17:37] <buch> its a radeon hd 3200 i think
[17:37] <alankila> fglrx has worked like 20 % of the time I have had this laptop. I hate ATI's utterly crappy support, somehow these people can't make things work as well as nvidia people do. But then again, the reason nvidia stuff works is probably because it replaces most of the X server itself with its own stuff.
[17:37] <BluesKaj> I hate to agree ,but nvidia (a used 7600gt ) has saved me a lot of grief over the last yr
[17:38] <bjsnider> it replaces the mes part, which is horribly broken and has been for years
[17:38] <bjsnider> mesa that is
[17:38] <BluesKaj> alankila, nvidia just provides better linux support IMO
[17:38] <alankila> yes, but the *reason* why they succeed better than ATI is probably because they aren't so great a team player, I suspect.
[17:38] <giovani> that's not an opinion ... it's something everyone knows
[17:39] <giovani> nvidia plays ball with the linux community, period
[17:39] <alankila> they just have their proprietary driver, GL implementation, and a driver that hooks into X server and simply replaces about 1/3rd of it with its own stuff, according to a person called "Linux graphics hater" :)
[17:39] <bjsnider> nvidia had a head start. they've had a good driver years before ati even started trying
[17:40] <giovani> well it's not a contest about who can do it the fastest
[17:40] <x1250> better support than ati? ATI opensource drivers are better than nvidia ones.
[17:40] <giovani> it's an evaluation of the current state
[17:40] <bjsnider> x1250, yes, and they're still crap
[17:41] <x1250> bjsnider, maybe, but they work fine here. I hope to see speed improvements tho, but they are not bad.
[17:41] <alankila> I wonder if anyone can validate the stuff written on this document: http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/nitty-gritty-shit-on-open-source.html
[17:41] <mac_v> hmm... i have a weird problem, when i try to play sound in my user profile i can *not* get sound to play in 2 apps simultaneously , but when i create a new user , sound works fine and i can play several apps simultaneously! how do i solve this?
[17:41] <bjsnider> the graphics hating page is accurate
[17:42] <bjsnider> alankila, gallium/ttm/gem/dri2 is an effort to deal with the issues presented in the article you're talking about
[17:43] <bjsnider> in other words, software rendering instead of hardware, and no memory manager
[17:43] <alankila> right, I've heard some talk about that stuff for some time, even rumours that if you buy just the right hardware it might run for you too
[17:43] <bjsnider> they won't have that stuff done for some time yet. years, probably
[17:44] <bjsnider> the intel driver already uses gem and dri2
[17:44] <bjsnider> so it has a memory manager now
[17:45] <buch> Yeah actually my desktop, got this old nvidia geforce fx 5200 ultra - wich are bound to use legacy driver 173.. but runs flawlessly after i enabled agp fastwrites, except youtube ect. but guess there are some other issues involved
[17:54] <alankila> oh, I am being treated well. linux hater has new posts!
[18:04] <Cyberkilla> anybody here having trouble with the latest nvidia drivers in karmic?
[18:04] <dotblank> Cyberkilla, with the downlaoded ones fromt hier site
[18:04] <Cyberkilla> Ah, I only tried the repository version.
[18:04] <dotblank> Cyberkilla, the repo one worked for me
[18:05] <Cyberkilla> Whenever I try the 185.18.31, 185.18.36 or 190.x.x drivers, I get artifacts, then the computer resets itself
[18:05] <dotblank> The downloaded one failed to compile the kernel module
[18:05] <Cyberkilla> ah
[18:05] <Cyberkilla> okay
[18:05] <Cyberkilla> I've had to go back to 185.18.14, which is the old one.
[18:05] <dotblank> Cyberkilla, are you running compiz?
[18:05] <Cyberkilla> yes, thought it was causing a problem both with and without compiz
[18:06] <dotblank> hmm I thought 185 was the new one (for the repo)
[18:06] <Cyberkilla> it is
[18:06] <Cyberkilla> 185.18.31 was added a few days ago
[18:06] <dotblank> and 185 isnt working?
[18:06] <Cyberkilla> 185.18.36 is the latest nvidia stable
[18:06] <Cyberkilla> but that doesn't work for me either
[18:06] <dotblank> hmm
[18:06] <Cyberkilla> only 185.18.14
[18:06] <dotblank> what card do you have
[18:06] <Cyberkilla> NVidia GeForce 8400M GT
[18:07] <Cyberkilla> Inside of a Sony Vaio VGN-AR41E
[18:07] <dotblank> hmm you tried purging the driver and reinstalling also removing anyother binary drivers?
[18:07] <Cyberkilla> I have removed all drivers, booted into vesa and installed them again.
[18:07] <DanaG> grr, stupid intel wifi... AMT still breaks it.
[18:07] <Cyberkilla> It just doesn't seem to be making any difference.
[18:08] <Cyberkilla> The interesting thing is...
[18:08] <Cyberkilla> The instability can be slowed if I switch to a TTY whenever I see artifacts forming
[18:08] <Cyberkilla> Also, it will remain stable for longer if I cause as little repainting as possible
[18:09] <Cyberkilla> The moment I start opening menus, moving windows, etc, it goes insance
[18:09] <Cyberkilla> That suggests some sort of memory allocation bug
[18:09] <dotblank> well it must be a bug in the newer versions with your card.. I would just stick to 180 for now and wait it out. 180.14 added vdpau support so you wouldnt be missing anything too drastic
[18:09] <Cyberkilla> As if it is writing to the wrong place, then it eventually writes beyond VRAM and triggers a system reset
[18:09] <Cyberkilla> I haven't a clue, but that's what it feels like to me.
[18:10] <dotblank> Tried looking at nvnews forum?
[18:10] <Cyberkilla> I have, yes.
[18:10] <Cyberkilla> I couldn't find anything that applied to me.
[18:10] <dotblank> hmm
[18:10] <Cyberkilla> it seems as if I'm the only one reporting the issue, but I have a standard installation.
[18:11] <Cyberkilla> I haven't done anything special.
[18:11] <dotblank> If you are really keen on getting to work i would reinstall karmic from scratch and just install 185 off the bat
[18:11] <dotblank> how is your laptop?
[18:11] <dotblank> old*
[18:13] <Cyberkilla> 2 years
[18:13] <Cyberkilla> I'd rather not reinstall, expectially to an Alpha
[18:13] <Cyberkilla> I have home on a separate partition
[18:14] <Cyberkilla> just in case, but i prefer to avoid it
[18:15] <dotblank> you could try as a last step. uninstalling the repo drivers and installing the one from nvidia's site.. install the pkg2 version
[18:19] <Cyberkilla> Hmm, I might try that.
[18:19] <Cyberkilla> It still kinda defeats the object though.
[18:19] <Cyberkilla> It should work with the one in the repositories.
[18:19] <Cyberkilla> If I could find someone with the same hardware, I could determine whether it is an issue on my end.
[18:20] <_UsUrPeR_> Is there anyone in here able to talk to me about the new Karmic Intel drivers? Specifically, the tweak used for atoms? Specifically pertaining to the LVDS tweak?
[18:20] <Bauldrick> i'm in need of some help, on kubuntu-netbook, can login, but don't get desktop, just a black screen
[18:20] <Cyberkilla> I'll get out of the way though, because my problem is temporarily resolved. I will wait until next month before trying the latest drivers.
[18:21] <Cyberkilla> Thanks anyway, dotblank;)
[18:21] <dotblank> Cyberkilla, np
[18:31] <x1250> wow, installing kde makes fonts in firefox SOOO UGLY!
[18:32] <x1250> hapilly this can be fixed removing ~/.fonts.conf
[18:41] <mac_v> bjsnider: in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf ,why does every thing have ";" is that used instead of "#" are they commented out or ?
[18:41] <bjsnider> why ask me?
[18:42] <mac_v> hehe , hmm... i thought i remembered you as saying something about that , sorry
[18:42] <mac_v> bjsnider: ^
[18:49] <Bauldrick> how do i go about disabling kernel modesetting?
[18:55] <RagnarokAngel> Alright, I have a question about my audio
[18:56] <bjsnider> i can almost guarantee you the answer is "make sure you're using the latest pulseaudio"
[18:56] <RagnarokAngel> well the thing is that my sound works great, just fine, through just about everything, system, rhythmbox, firefox
[18:56] <RagnarokAngel> but banshee isn't playing anything.
[18:58] <RagnarokAngel> and the latest version of pulse would be test6, correct?
[18:58] <bjsnider> rhythmbox and banshee both use gstreamer as the backend
[18:59] <bjsnider> maybe it's specific to banshee, the problem
[18:59] <DanaG> hmm, try opening gstreamer-properties.
[18:59] <DanaG> Should be set to Auto or Pulseaudio.
[19:00] <RagnarokAngel> set to auto
[19:00] <bjsnider> hit the test button
[19:01] <bjsnider> does it playeth sound?
[19:01] <RagnarokAngel> yes
[19:01] <RagnarokAngel> it's only banshee i'm getting problems with
[19:01] <bjsnider> i would say you have a banshee bug
[19:01] <RagnarokAngel> sound works for the same files in rhythm box
[19:01] <RagnarokAngel> excellent...
[19:01] <RagnarokAngel> alright
[19:01] <RagnarokAngel> onto my next audio issue then...
[19:01] <bjsnider> i wonder if it shows up in pavucontrol when you're trying to play something thru it
[19:02] <RagnarokAngel> Audacity is doing really strange things when I try to import audio, says somethign about the ffmpeg files not found, then I search and it finds them just fine
[19:02] <RagnarokAngel> bjsnider: it does not show up in pavucontrol
[19:02] <bjsnider> well that's funny
[19:02] <bjsnider> almost like it's forgotten to talk to gstreamer at all
[19:03] <RagnarokAngel> yeah
[19:03] <RagnarokAngel> I purged banshee and reinstalled
[19:03] <RagnarokAngel> no change
[19:03] <RagnarokAngel> which is so weird because it worked the other day just fine...
[19:05] <RagnarokAngel> I've just been having amazing luck with audio issues
[19:05] <RagnarokAngel> my bluetooth headset pairs but is not found in my devices by pavucontrol
[19:06] <RagnarokAngel> audacity decides that importing audio is the devil
[19:06] <RagnarokAngel> banshee has gone awal
[19:26] <mapet> help, apt-get is broken after the last update
[19:26] <mapet> is there a solution already?
[19:33] <blueyed> I have no sound with Pulseaudio.. pacmd and then "list-sinks" displays only "name: <auto_null>" as sink. I guess that's the issue, all sound being sunk to "null".. known issue?
[20:07] <RagnarokAngel> excellent
[20:07] <RagnarokAngel> the reboot fixed VLC
[20:07] <RagnarokAngel> *sigh* still no banshee
[20:08] <kaddi> hmm... my kde is still broken. :/ it crashes at boot, when I start it with startx everything loads except plasma, I even get desktop effects
[20:09] <RagnarokAngel> are you running jaunty?
[20:09] <kaddi> no karmic
[20:09] <RagnarokAngel> I tried to sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop in karmic
[20:09] <RagnarokAngel> and it broke
[20:09] <RagnarokAngel> I think they broke something in the package
[20:09] <kaddi> it was working real fine till 3 days ago.. the updates broke something
[20:09] <RagnarokAngel> I couldn't get kubuntu-desktop to even install
[20:10] <kaddi> when did you try? there were some broken packages 3 days ago, but they have been fixed by now I think
[20:10] <RagnarokAngel> the other day...
[20:10] <RagnarokAngel> yesterday?
[20:10] <RagnarokAngel> maybe the day before
[20:11] <bjsnider> RagnarokAngel, try wiping out your local banshee config files
[20:12] <blueyed> Now that I'
[20:12] <RagnarokAngel> bjsnider: I did that
[20:12] <RagnarokAngel> bjsnider: and I purged banshee
[20:13] <blueyed> ve purge everything pulseaudio related, still only KDE apps have sound, e.g. amarok, but not e.g. lastm
[20:13] <RagnarokAngel> bjsnider: I think banshee has a bug...
[20:19] <bjsnider> try it fromt he command line and see if it spits out any error info
[20:19] <RagnarokAngel> banshee doesn't really run through the command line... It runs and then it spits me to another line and banshee keeps running.
[20:19] <RagnarokAngel> oh wait
[20:20] <RagnarokAngel> now it's displaying output in the command line
[20:20] <RagnarokAngel> bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111)
[20:20] <RagnarokAngel> bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111)
[20:20] <RagnarokAngel> [Error 15:20:12.917] GStreamer resource error: OpenWrite
[20:21] <bjsnider> yeah so it can't talk to gstreamer
[20:21] <RagnarokAngel> any reason that could happen?
[20:21] <bjsnider> version mismatch maybe?
[20:21] <bjsnider> try googling it
[20:22] <kaddi> If I wanted to try reinstall kde completely, how would I go about this best? remove and install kubuntu-desktop?
[20:22] <RagnarokAngel> kaddi: I would think so
[20:22] <giovani> why would you do that?
[20:22] <kaddi> RagnarokAngel: I had some bad experience with ubuntu-desktop that took care of 3 packages on my system, leaving everything else behind... :/
[20:22] <giovani> that's a metapackage that includes EVERYTHING on your desktop
[20:23] <kaddi> giovani: hoping to reinstall kde completely and fix the crash I'm experiencing
[20:23] <giovani> kaddi: apt-get remove kde-window-manager
[20:23] <kaddi> thanks :) I'll try that and see how things go..
[20:24] <bjsnider> removing kubuntu-desktop will not remove kde or anything else
[20:24] <bjsnider> metapackages do not work in reverse
[20:25] <kaddi> bjsnider: that explains why ubuntu-desktop failed on me :p
[20:25] <RagnarokAngel> that's true
[20:25] <RagnarokAngel> I forgot
[20:25] <RagnarokAngel> I tried removing kubuntu-desktop and it didn't work.
[20:25] <ReaperFromHell> hey there! Could anyonde help me out? i'm having some trouble mounting my external drive as non-root. I'm using Karmic Alpha4 fully updated.
[20:25] <ReaperFromHell> Thanks in advance
[20:25] <bjsnider> the kde stuff would have to be removed manually package by package
[20:26] <giovani> bjsnider: kde-window-manager is the main kde package, afaik
[20:26] <RagnarokAngel> well you can get most of it in a few commands
[20:26] <giovani> everything else is add-on apps
[20:26] <RagnarokAngel> remove kde-*
[20:26] <RagnarokAngel> and
[20:26] <RagnarokAngel> hmmm
[20:26] <RagnarokAngel> what was the other one...
[20:26] <giovani> kdm?
[20:27] <giovani> kde used to be the main package before karmic
[20:27] <giovani> now it's kde-window-manager
[20:28] <kaddi> at boot the first thing that crashes is kdmgreet, then when trying to generate an error log it's kbuildsycoca. I located kbuildsycoca in kdebase-workspace-bin, but reinstalling that one didn't help
[20:28] <Jeruvy> ReaperFromHell: is it not mounting?  Or is it just a permission problem?
[20:28] <kaddi> and reinstalling kde-window-manager didn't help either
[20:29] <giovani> kaddi: well that's not surprising -- I mean, reinstalling a package doesn't usually fix anything
[20:29] <ReaperFromHell> i'm guessing a permission problem although i have the user option in fstab
[20:29] <giovani> unless the package originally had errors when installing
[20:29] <kaddi> giovani: actually I thought/think that it's a dependency problem, which is why I was looking into reinstalling all of kde packages, so they sure match
[20:30] <giovani> why would the dependencies have gotten mis-installed?
[20:31] <Jeruvy> ReaperFromHell: have you tried sudo chown 'user:group' /dev/media/external ?
[20:31] <kaddi> giovani: because I updated during the glitch with the kdebase-workspace-data package. (13 was announced/expected, only 12 could be foud) and since then I can't run kde anymore
[20:32] <ReaperFromHell> OMG Jeruvy that did it! :D
[20:32] <Jeruvy> ReaperFromHell: cool, so it was just an ownership issue, keep in mind if you remove it it may need to be 'owned' again.
[20:33] <ReaperFromHell> Jeruvy: i was going to ask you exactly that! is there a way to automate that? or some kind of workaround?
[20:33] <kaddi> giovani: and mostly because I can't really think of any other reason, why it would be broken, or how to troubleshoot it. Just wanted to try reinstalling kde as a last fix before giving up
[20:34] <Jeruvy> I'm sure someone can advise better than I on a more permanent solution if thats a problem.   My only suggestion isn't very good, but copy that to a script and run it when needed should do the trick
[20:34] <Jeruvy> ReaperFromHell: ^^
[20:36] <ReaperFromHell> bah...
[20:36] <ReaperFromHell> oh well at least now i know what was causing the problem! :P
[20:37] <ReaperFromHell> thanks once again Jeruvy
[20:37] <ReaperFromHell> o/
[20:39] <Jeruvy> ReaperFromHell: cheers
[20:39] <ReaperFromHell> Jeruvy: would adding myself to the disk group help in any way?
[20:39] <ReaperFromHell> xD
[20:39] <Jeruvy> yep
[20:41] <ReaperFromHell> well i might try that! :)
[20:47] <ReaperFromHell> Jeruvy: i'm guessing i must reboot/logout for the group changes to take effect no?
[20:50] <yoasif> im having an issue with cpan installing Catalyst::Authentication::Credential::OpenID
[20:50] <yoasif> it fails tests
[20:50] <yoasif> anyone have any ideas?
[20:55] <bucky> yoasif, just a guess but maybe you need other modules like the ones in libcatalyst-modules-perl or libcatalyst-modules-extra-perl
[20:55] <Jeruvy> ReaperFromHell: just a logout should do the trick.  Sorry for the delay, I'm beating a server to death atm :)
[20:55] <yoasif> installed those bucky
[20:55] <bucky> hmm..
[20:56] <ReaperFromHell> Jeruvy: no problem... i'll do it as soon as this damn download finishes! :P
[20:57] <DanaG> weird... my xorg broke just today, somehow.
[20:57] <DanaG> DOesn't work with fglrx, radeon, fbdev, or even vesa.
[20:57] <yoasif> bucky, "yoasif" at 217.168.144.84 pasted "issue installing Catalyst::Authentication::Credential::OpenID" (132 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/32996
[21:02] <bucky> yoasif, is it version 0.04 ?
[21:02] <yoasif> bucky, dont worry about it -- asked some catalyst guys on irc.perl.org and they said they are working on it and to do a force install
[21:02] <bucky> ok
[21:05] <frandavid100> hiya
[21:05] <bucky> ayih
[21:05] <frandavid100> do you guys know how to launch gnome-shell in karmic?
[21:06] <kaddi> hmm.. so anyone has a suggestion what I could try to get kde back to working? At boot kdmgreet crashes with a segfault and whne I try to start it manually kbuildsycoca crashes with a segfault :/
[21:07] <bucky> frandavid100, type gnome-terminal  in a term
[21:07] <kaddi> But using startx from tty2, I get a lot of segfaults, but I get everything except plasma loaded...
[21:07] <bucky> frandavid100, or Applications=>Accessories=>Terminal
[21:07] <frandavid100> bucky: gnome-terminal? surely you mean gnome-shell?
[21:08] <bucky> frandavid100, /usr/bin/gnome-terminal
[21:08] <frandavid100> ok
[21:08] <frandavid100> what command should I run from there?
[21:09] <bucky> you don't have it in your menus ^^
[21:09] <frandavid100> bucky: alright, did it
[21:09] <jetsaredim> what's the new bug reporting tool?
[21:10] <kaddi> apport? or ubuntu-bug maybe?
[21:10] <jetsaredim> u-b
[21:13] <genii> Ironically enough apport itself keeps crashing on me
[21:13] <kaddi> hehe, drkonqui is crashing when trying to report a bug for me too... but then everything seems to be crashing ;)
[21:14] <jetsaredim> is there any way to install vlc without dragging all of X with it?
[21:14] <BUGabundo> boas
[21:15] <jetsaredim> i just want to use it for its transcoding
[21:16] <DanaG> vlc-nox
[21:16] <kaddi> is there an easy way to uninstall kde4.3 from karmic?
[21:18] <giovani> kaddi: the package name I provided you earlier should be the parent kde package
[21:18] <kaddi> giovani: kde-window-manager only removed that one package and left all others intact
[21:19] <giovani> that's because that's how debian/ubuntu work
[21:19] <giovani> you need to use deborphan
[21:19] <giovani> to remove the no-longer-depended-on packages
[21:19] <giovani> or I think aptitute tries to do this for you
[21:21] <x1250> kde-window-manager? :S, naah, try some libraries
[21:21] <AlanBell> evening all
[21:22] <AlanBell> at the moment openerp-server doesn't install because of a dependency on python-xml
[21:22] <AlanBell> debian have a newer version of openerp-server than karmic
[21:23] <bjsnider> doesn't karmic have python-xml?
[21:23] <AlanBell> http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/openerp-server 5.0.3 vs 5.0.1 in karmic
[21:23] <AlanBell> no python-xml is dropped from karmic
[21:23] <AlanBell> and was broken anyway
[21:23] <bjsnider> what does the debian package depend on?
[21:24] <AlanBell> libxml2
[21:25] <AlanBell> or python-lxml
[21:25] <x1250> kaddi, try: sudo aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data ~n"kde*"
[21:25] <AlanBell> http://packages.debian.org/sid/openerp-server link to the binary package info
[21:25] <AlanBell> what is the process to get the package updated from Debian?
[21:27] <bjsnider> you file a bug and make it a packaging request
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[21:30] <bjsnider> it should be pretty easy assuming it's not a massive package
[21:30] <AlanBell> ok, will do
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> is there a menu replacement in karmic to replace the ubuntu menu
[21:33] <phoenixz> Hi there, I want to upgrade my kubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 alpha4 (or anythihng newer than that..) Where can I find repositories?
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> phoenixz: sudo update-manager -d
[21:34] <phoenixz> ActionParsnip: thanks, just found it on the site as well
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> phoenixz: if you want the full benefit of ext4 you must format
[21:43] <genii> Can tune2fs be used for ext3 -> ext4 conversion?
[21:44] <phoenixz> ActionParsnip: My HD is already ext4, I already upgraded on that one :)
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> if its not a new partition made in ext4 then its not getting the full benefits of ext4
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> converting ext3 to ext4 only gets half the benefits
[21:46] <x1250> people should be aware of EXT4 data loss troubles before migrating to EXT4
[21:48] <AlanBell> bjsnider: bug 418862 does that look ok?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> x1250: AFAIK kernels .30 and up have all those fixed
[21:48] <BUGabundo> its not any more danger then ext3
[21:49] <bjsnider> looks fine to me
[21:49] <x1250> BUGabundo, not for me, lost data with data=ordered, two times.
[21:50] <x1250> data=journal fixed the issue for me, but is noticeably slower...
[21:55] <DanaG> hmm, the -7 kernel is rather broken for me, too... Xorg just hard-locks under that kernel.
[21:56] <edgy> Hi, I lost the sound after the latest updates! any one else?
[22:02] <edgy> this is in kubuntu, I would logout and try ubuntu, may be I don't encounter it ...
[22:25] <kaddi> I'm back in business :D purged the kdelibs, reinstalled kubuntu-desktop, everything works fine now. :)
[22:26] <genii> For some reason gparted reports different partition info for me than fdisk.
[22:27] <giovani> genii: such as?
[22:28] <genii> fdisk reports the partition layout as it was prior to shrinking and moving my Vista partition. gparted reports the actual partition info as the drive is really being used
[22:28] <genii> giovani: ^
[22:29] <giovani> oh boy, "shrinking"
[22:29] <giovani> never a good way to start
[22:29] <giovani> you sure that the paritions are actually shunk, and not just the filesystems?
[22:30] <genii> giovani: Yes
[22:30] <giovani> what did you use to "resize" your partitions?
[22:31] <genii> giovani: I removed the diagnostics partitions at beginning and end of drive, moved the ntfs (Vista) to start of disc and shrunk it to 80Gb from 160
[22:31] <genii> giovani: I used gparted to do the resizing
[22:32] <giovani> maybe it wrote a GPT to the disk?
[22:32] <giovani> and fdisk is reading the MBR
[22:32] <genii> Here is the fdisk paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/259512/ and I'll get a gparted shot in a minute
[22:33] <giovani> Partition table entries are not in disk order
[22:33] <giovani> it says clearly
[22:35] <genii> http://i27.tinypic.com/35mf9cw.png  is the gparted shot
[22:35] <aboSamoor> start application omit any switch passed to the program in the command line ? I am trying to run transmission at startup minimized by using -m switch and every time the start up applications omit the -m part ! any idea ?!
[22:36] <genii> giovani: Sure the entries are not in order. I don't care about the order. But it shows on fdisk for instance the Compaq diagnostics partition that i deleted
[22:37] <giovani> genii: yeah, it looks like the parition table is crap
[22:37] <giovani> "resizing" often leads to bad stuff
[22:37] <giovani> /dev/sda3           20643       20643        8032+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[22:37] <giovani> /dev/sda3           20643       20643        8032+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[22:37] <giovani> that's concerning
[22:38] <BUGabundo> !ping
[22:41] <genii> giovani: Any way you can think of to sync the two so fdisk reports what gparted reports? (the gparted layout is what I'm actually using)
[22:46]  * knittl is away: Gone away for now
[22:46] <aboSamoor> did anyone notice the u1.com/notes section that can be updated by tomboy ?!
[22:54] <RagnarokAngel> My webcam isn't being recognized in cheese anymore -- worked fine with Jaunty
[22:54] <BUGabundo> RagnarokAngel: lots of changes on kernel .31
[22:54] <BUGabundo> we changed gspca and it broke a lot of web cams
[22:55] <BUGabundo> new drivers required
[22:55] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: uh huh, so if I *need* my camera working, what can I do?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> I got mine back, this weekend too :)
[22:55] <BUGabundo> RagnarokAngel: bride a gspca dev to fix it ??
[22:55] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:55] <BUGabundo> better check with upstream dev for your web cam driver
[22:55] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: or if I need a temporary fix I could install the old kernel, right?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> nope
[22:56] <RagnarokAngel> what? why not?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> will break dkms and alsa/pa
[22:57] <RagnarokAngel> excellent.
[22:57] <RagnarokAngel> my girlfriend is going to be pissed.
[22:57] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[22:57] <BUGabundo> ohh anna
[22:57] <bjsnider> why did u upgrade then?
[22:57] <BUGabundo> audiom I think
[22:57] <RagnarokAngel> bjsnider: because my headphones don't work w/ Jaunty
[22:58] <RagnarokAngel> bjsnider: It seems no matter what I do I'm breaking something...
[22:58] <bjsnider> your headphones
[22:58] <aboSamoor> can anyone test if the Startup Application omit the switches from the command line ?
[22:59] <RagnarokAngel> bjsnider: yeah, my headphone jack doesn't recognize when I plug them in. I subbed a bug report, but they said to test in Karmic... Lots of stuff was working alright so I just upgraded
[23:00] <dtchen> they being me, probably.
[23:00] <bjsnider> dtchen, did you fix your lbm problem?
[23:01] <dtchen> which lbm problem?
[23:01] <bjsnider> the one you had last night
[23:02] <bjsnider> sorry, lvm
[23:02] <dtchen> no, been at work all day and am just starting to look
[23:03] <dtchen> it's pretty clearly in the Ubuntu sauce; my gut feeling is the KSM merge
[23:03] <karl_> hey i just install alpha 4 and need some help
[23:03]  * knittl is back.
[23:03] <dtchen> neither the mainline 2.6.31-rc7 nor the most current c-o-d build exhibit the problem
[23:03] <RagnarokAngel> so BUGabundo there's really nothing I can do unless I liveCD jaunty?
[23:03] <karl_> um basically i cant change my screen resoluttion from 800x600
[23:03] <RagnarokAngel> karl_: you tried xrandr?
[23:04] <karl_> no
[23:04] <karl_> no idea what it is
[23:04] <RagnarokAngel> karl_: type xrandr into your command prompt and see what it kicks back at you
[23:04] <karl_> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 800 x 600, maximum 4096 x 4096
[23:04] <karl_> VGA1 connected 800x600+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm   800x600        60.3*    640x480        59.9
[23:05] <karl_> thats the message back
[23:05] <karl_> i have a  Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[23:05] <RagnarokAngel> Hmmm, looks like something broke with their detection
[23:05] <BUGabundo> some one needs to teach you about pastebin :(
[23:05] <BUGabundo> karl_: first, pleae run update-manager to get all updates
[23:05] <karl_> sry forgot still new with irc
[23:05] <BUGabundo> alpha4 is OLD
[23:06] <karl_> ok
[23:06] <BUGabundo> !paste > karl_
[23:06] <RagnarokAngel> karl_: you can use xrandr to manually set your vid settings...
[23:06] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: According to the main ubuntu chat you're fine for pasting in as long as it's below 4 lines of code
[23:06] <RagnarokAngel> which his was
[23:06] <BUGabundo> RagnarokAngel: he is new to this. don't mess with his head
[23:07] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: what's wrong with giving him the *real* rules!?
[23:07] <BUGabundo> RagnarokAngel: talking about xrandr !!!!!
[23:07] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: so? xrandr will get his problem fixed?
[23:07] <BUGabundo> he is no longer here
[23:08] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: probably got his problem fixed is why :-p
[23:08] <bjsnider> there is a gui for xrandr
[23:08] <BUGabundo> or crashed X
[23:08] <RagnarokAngel> bjsnider: is there?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> karl1: welcome back
[23:08] <karl1> sorry xchat is horrible had to dl pidgion
[23:08] <RagnarokAngel> lol
[23:08] <BUGabundo> s/pidgion/pidgin/ LOLOLOL
[23:08] <BUGabundo> seems to not work either
[23:08] <BUGabundo> ahahaahah
[23:09] <karl1> arrg
[23:09] <BUGabundo> dude
[23:09] <karl1> sry
[23:09] <BUGabundo> you are making us look sily
[23:09] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: xrandr fixed my screen issues. Sort of.
[23:09] <karl1> but i ran update manager and it says not all updates can be installed
[23:10] <bjsnider> karl1, look in System>Preferences>Display
[23:10] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: so where do I report my webcam is broken?
[23:10] <BUGabundo> karl1: yeah that's like that today
[23:10] <BUGabundo> something is holding back a few libs
[23:10] <BUGabundo> just do regular updates, and don't force it, ok?
[23:10] <alteregoa> burp
[23:10] <karl1> Bugabundo: im downloading the updates now then
[23:10] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:11] <BUGabundo> RagnarokAngel: $ ubuntu-bug linux
[23:11] <alteregoa> i use the realtime preemption kernel
[23:11] <BUGabundo> but its not OUR prob
[23:11] <karl1> bjsnider: what should i look for in display
[23:11] <BUGabundo> its the gcpa
[23:11]  * genii makes more coffee
[23:11] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: if I downgrade to the .30 kernel, will everything work for now?
[23:11] <bjsnider> karl1, change your screen resolution
[23:11] <karl1> bjsnider: no other option other then 800x600
[23:11] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: or will my pulse/alsa still be busted to hell?
[23:12] <BUGabundo> RagnarokAngel: yep
[23:12] <BUGabundo> same as jaunty kernel
[23:12] <BUGabundo> all hell will break loose
[23:12] <alteregoa> wine has a much lower latency compared to windows, thats fnordastic
[23:12] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: I'm screwed, in short?
[23:12] <BUGabundo> it takes a lot of dtchen work to make kernel and PA work nice
[23:12] <BUGabundo> no
[23:12] <BUGabundo> you just have to get it fixed
[23:12] <BUGabundo> its not that bad
[23:12] <BUGabundo> most drivers already are
[23:12] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: i'm screwed for a webchat *tonight*
[23:13] <BUGabundo> that's the idea of testing devel version
[23:13] <BUGabundo> so you can make sure your HW and SW works on final release
[23:13] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: yes, which is why I decided to help test
[23:13] <BUGabundo> well, unless your dev is really quick coder, yeah you are :)
[23:13] <bjsnider> karl1, what ist he native resolution of that monitor?
[23:13] <alteregoa> what size?
[23:13] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: *sigh* time to bake a usb drive w/ jaunty...
[23:13] <alteregoa> i use crt
[23:14] <BUGabundo> RagnarokAngel: look on LP, and upstream for the person doing the work
[23:14] <alteregoa> there are no natives or indigenous peoples on the screen
[23:14] <BUGabundo> maybe its even fixed already
[23:14] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: Anna will be extra mad if we can't get some webcam working later...
[23:14] <karl1> bjsnider: not sure its a 15inch lcd made by lg model number is flatron l1520B and ihave had much high resolutions then 800X600
[23:14] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: how would I be able to know if it's already fixed?
[23:14] <alteregoa> 1024x768
[23:14] <karl1> also ubuntu says its an unknow monitor
[23:14] <alteregoa> cause its 15"
[23:14] <karl1> oo ok
[23:14] <bjsnider> well, run all of the graphics driver updates and so forth
[23:15] <alteregoa> its 4:3 or 16:9?
[23:15] <RagnarokAngel> karl1: you can manually set your resolution using xrandr....
[23:15] <alteregoa> err 16:10?
[23:15] <karl1> iv got no options in restricted drivers
[23:15] <bjsnider> there's no restricted intel graphcis driver
[23:16] <LLStarks> any chance at fontconfig 2.7.1 making karmic
[23:16] <karl1> RagnarokAngel: will xrandr be able to make it the default resolution for everything ie login screen etc
[23:16] <karl1> its 4:3
[23:16] <RagnarokAngel> karl1: uhm. If you manually set your config file, I believe so...
[23:16] <RagnarokAngel> karl1: i'm more finding a fix for now, and submit to the devs to be able to get it fixed for everyone.
[23:17] <RagnarokAngel> oh and BUGabundo my banshee isn't playing nice w/ gstreamer anymore.
[23:17] <RagnarokAngel> I feel a mono hate discussion brewing...
[23:17] <kaddi> what version of mono comes with karmic anyway?
[23:17] <BUGabundo> sent bugs on it?
[23:17] <BUGabundo> !info mono
[23:18] <kaddi> true
[23:18] <karl1> RagnarokAngel : well im gona do a full update and then see if mabye that fixes my issue
[23:18] <BUGabundo> !search mono
[23:18] <dtchen> 2.4.2.3
[23:18] <BUGabundo> hey arand
[23:18] <BUGabundo> who would tough dtchen would be a nice bot :)
[23:18] <kaddi> hehe
[23:19] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: so I need to report my bug...
[23:19] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:20] <BUGabundo> and look for the driver mantainer
[23:20] <RagnarokAngel> wow
[23:20] <BUGabundo> that's the CRUCIAL part
[23:20] <RagnarokAngel> $ubuntu-bug linux is giving me an error.
[23:20] <BUGabundo> _we_ won't fix it, unless its fixed upstream
[23:20] <BUGabundo> being kernel and all
[23:20] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[23:20] <BUGabundo> WFM
[23:21] <RagnarokAngel> The problem cannot be reported: This is not a genuine Ubuntu package
[23:21] <BUGabundo> try $ apport-cli -fp linux
[23:21] <RagnarokAngel> ...
[23:21] <RagnarokAngel> riiiiiiiight
[23:21] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOLOL
[23:21] <BUGabundo> what darn kernel do you have?
[23:21] <RagnarokAngel> whatever came in the update?!
[23:21] <RagnarokAngel> what's the command to check
[23:21] <RagnarokAngel> I keep forgetting
[23:21] <kaddi> uname -a
[23:22] <hggdh> anyone having problems shutting down 2.26.31-7?
[23:22] <RagnarokAngel> Linux ra-ubuntubox 2.6.31-020631rc6-generic #020631rc6 SMP Fri Aug 14 09:43:40 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:22] <RagnarokAngel> WTF!?
[23:22] <RagnarokAngel> There's a 7th1?
[23:22] <hggdh> yes
[23:22] <dtchen> hggdh: yes, known issue.
[23:22] <RagnarokAngel> Why don't I have it?
[23:22] <BUGabundo> RagnarokAngel: That's not OUR kernel
[23:22] <dtchen> RagnarokAngel: you're running the mainline build of 2.6.31-rc6
[23:22] <hggdh> because you will not be able to shutdown on it...
[23:22] <BUGabundo> Linux BluBUG 2.6.31-6-generic #26-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 21 17:55:00 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:23] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: ok, so my kernel *is* the supported one?
[23:23] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: good reason.
[23:23] <hggdh> RagnarokAngel, no, your kernel is *not* the supported one
[23:23] <dtchen> RagnarokAngel: no, that's the UNsupported mainline 2.6.31-rc7 build, as i said above
[23:23] <BUGabundo> hggdh: Power OFF ?? lol
[23:23] <BUGabundo> pull the cord
[23:23] <RagnarokAngel> ...
[23:23] <RagnarokAngel> why can't I report a bug?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> RagnarokAngel: try running karmic kernl
[23:24] <hggdh> BUGabundo, not on a laptop, it does not work
[23:24] <BUGabundo> no idea why you aren't
[23:24] <BUGabundo> hggdh: everything has a powercord
[23:24] <BUGabundo> *everything*
[23:24] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: why don't I have the regular kernel1?
[23:24] <BUGabundo> even life support machines :D
[23:24] <hggdh> RagnarokAngel, you cannot report a bug on this kernel because it is *not* an Ubuntu kernel
[23:24] <BUGabundo> RagnarokAngel: you tell me
[23:24] <BUGabundo> hggdh: well tecnly it is
[23:24] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: I didn't run any kernel update stuff.
[23:24] <BUGabundo> its just not a karmic or archive on
[23:24] <BUGabundo> *one
[23:24] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: how do I get to the regular ubuntu kernel then?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> didn't you get it for jaunty ?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> and never removed it ?
[23:25] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: oh, that might be it...
[23:25] <BUGabundo> its an higher version, so its bootting from thatr
[23:25] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: so do I need to manually tell it to boot from the supported one?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> purge it, and try karmic one
[23:25] <BUGabundo> Or REMOVE THIS
[23:25] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: alright, what command should purge *that* kernel
[23:26] <hggdh> after, of course, making sure you do have an alternate kernel ;-)
[23:26] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: I don't want to completely F*** my install.
[23:26] <BUGabundo> hggdh: eheheheheeheheheheheh
[23:26] <kaddi> hggdh good thinking :p
[23:26] <BUGabundo> hggdh: boot to the regular kernel 1st, see if everything works (webcam included)
[23:26] <BUGabundo> go to synaptic and remove the ppa version
[23:26] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: shouldn't that message be to me?
[23:26] <hggdh> RagnarokAngel, open synaptic, and search for 2.26.31-6
[23:27] <BUGabundo> RagnarokAngel: no, it was for hggdh
[23:27] <BUGabundo> ohh the last on
[23:27] <BUGabundo> yeah that one was
[23:27] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:27] <RagnarokAngel> thank you.
[23:27] <hggdh> then install the respective kernel headers, and (whatever) kernel for your hardware
[23:27] <BUGabundo> ok' I'm too tired
[23:27] <hggdh> then boot it
[23:27] <BUGabundo> keep eating the 'e' on one
[23:27] <BUGabundo> gonna go offline and watch Eureka
[23:27] <hggdh> if everything is kosher, go back in synaptic, and remove the mainstream kernel
[23:27] <BUGabundo> bye
[23:27] <RagnarokAngel> searching in synaptic for 2.26... didn't work
[23:28] <karl1> ok i updated fully and still having the same issue
[23:28] <RagnarokAngel> I still have the debs laying around
[23:28] <RagnarokAngel> can I remove using those?
[23:30] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: searching synaptic is returning no results
[23:30] <hggdh> RagnarokAngel, sorry, search for version 2.6.31-6
[23:30] <hggdh> not .26.
[23:31] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: what's the standard kernel I *should* have for today's Karmic?
[23:32] <hggdh> 2.6.31-6.26
[23:33] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: ok I have that installed.... I should be looking to remove the one that I get from uname -a, correct?
[23:34] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: I need to report a bug for my webcam, so I have to be running the regular kernel
[23:34] <hggdh> RagnarokAngel, correct. You might want to boot on 2.6.31-6 to be sure your system still works, *then* remove the mainline one
[23:34] <hggdh> RagnarokAngel, also correct for the bug
[23:34] <karl1> hey does karmic not have an xorg anymore?
[23:34] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: alright, I'll be right back then...
[23:35] <hggdh> good luck
[23:35] <karl1> where is it located etc/x11?
[23:35] <hggdh> under /etc/X11
[23:35] <hggdh> at least mine is here
[23:36] <karl1> i dont have an xorg fiel
[23:36] <hggdh> karl1, what xorg file? You mean xorg.conf?
[23:36] <karl1> yea
[23:36] <hggdh> not good
[23:37] <karl1> was gona try and mess around with it to see if i can change my resolution issue
[23:37] <karl1> but i dont seem to have it
[23:37] <kaddi> you do not need a xorg.conf, but you can simply create one
[23:37] <hggdh> karl1, you probable hit the wrong button ;-) use this for a template: http://pastebin.com/f2c245379
[23:37] <hggdh> and kaddi is correct, anyway
[23:38] <RagnarokAngel> Heck yes. Webcam works with the mainstream kernels
[23:38] <kaddi> hehe
[23:38] <RagnarokAngel> Now, to delete this funky one that it keeps trying to boot me into...
[23:38] <RagnarokAngel> if I've got the debs
[23:38] <RagnarokAngel> hmm
[23:39] <RagnarokAngel> dpkg should have a way to delete these suckers en masse, right?
[23:39] <karl1> hggdh: what should i do just create the file using the one u put on paste bin?
[23:39] <hggdh> karl1, yes, this is pretty much the default one
[23:39] <hggdh> RagnarokAngel, just go to synaptic, and delete them there
[23:39] <karl1> ok i just see u have fglrx
[23:40] <karl1> i think id be intel right
[23:40] <hggdh> karl1, no, I do not -- it is commented out
[23:40] <hggdh> xorg will dynamically find the correct video driver. Most of the times, at least
[23:40] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: excellent. Now I'm getting SERIOUS sound skipping...
[23:41] <hggdh> RagnarokAngel, perfect. Now... time to report the bug ;-)
[23:41] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: should I try out the -7 kernel?
[23:42] <hggdh> RagnarokAngel, you can, as long as you accept powering off your machine via the power button (the kernel shutdown is hanging)
[23:42] <karl1> lets see what happens
[23:42] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: That's fine by me
[23:42] <hggdh> go for it, then :-)
[23:43] <RagnarokAngel> ....
[23:43] <RagnarokAngel> oh ok everything I clicked just happened
[23:43] <RagnarokAngel> just took a minute
[23:44] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: and what do I do about my bluetooth headset pairing and not being available as a device?
[23:44] <alteregoa> he's a queen
[23:44] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: I've subbed a bug for this, but I'm hoping that there's some what I can fix it...
[23:45] <alteregoa> yyyyeah
[23:45] <alteregoa> i got a error
[23:46] <RagnarokAngel> alright, and now to test out the -7 kernel...
[23:46] <RagnarokAngel> brb again
[23:48] <alteregoa> ok now following advice to you develdoper
[23:48] <legend2440> jaunty uses the nvidia 180 driver. what version does karmic include?
[23:48] <alteregoa> if you open unmounted disks, you see it on the nautilus computer tab
[23:48] <hggdh> legend2440, you can go to http://packages.ubuntu.com, and search for it
[23:49] <alteregoa> just add a functionality in this tab called (automount each start)
[23:49] <legend2440> hggdh: ok thanks
[23:49] <alteregoa> because the average user is not able to edit fstab!
[23:49] <alteregoa> dont make that crap to complex for average peoples thanks mister developer of software
[23:50] <RagnarokAngel> well -7 breaks my webcam support again *sigh*
[23:51] <RagnarokAngel> oh wait
[23:51] <RagnarokAngel> I lied
[23:51] <RagnarokAngel> working now
[23:51] <hggdh> alteregoa, can you please open a bug with your request? Complaining here will not help much
[23:52] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: THANKS! I got everything I need working!!!
[23:52] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: you're my hero!
[23:52] <hggdh> RagnarokAngel, heh. I finally get to be a hero...
[23:52] <arand> alteregoa: there's always python disk manager (correct name?) For a somewhat more graphical way of doing automounts...
[23:53] <RagnarokAngel> banshee and mplayer aren't doing audio playback now...
[23:53] <RagnarokAngel> so
[23:53] <RagnarokAngel> I'm sure I should file a bug for that
[23:53] <RagnarokAngel> rhythmbox and vlc work fine though
[23:53] <RagnarokAngel> so
[23:53] <RagnarokAngel> NO idea wtf that is all about...