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x1250akio, yep. What driver? ATI opensource here.00:24
x1250radeon.00:24
akiointel00:25
x1250not driver specific then :)00:25
akioI'm not sure its the fault of the graphics00:25
akioright, I was thinking power management00:25
akiopolicykit maybe00:26
x1250uhm, wait, maybe we're talking about different problems. I get some flickering, but it is not the backlight, it just flickers (I think to white, IIRC)00:26
erisa__Just updated my 9.10 NBR and dist-upgrade wants to remove ubuntu-netbook-remix.  Won't that bork my NBR setup?01:38
x1250try sudo aptitude safe-upgrade01:40
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erisa__x1250: Thanks, that worked.01:53
hal_9hello, i did an apt-dist upgrade and now it wont boot anymore x, it says "no screens found", geforce 6600 an a tft, any ideas please?01:57
hal_9apt-get dist-upgrade i mean01:57
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bjsniderhal_9, install nvidia-glx-18501:58
hal_9okay, i try it, thanks :)01:58
bjsniderno, no no01:58
bjsniderdo, or do not. there is no try.01:59
hal_9i do it right now ;)02:00
hal_9fantastic, thank you bjsnider! :-)02:01
darthanubiswhy during these periods between new releases is pulseaudio the FIRST thing to break, and the last thing to get fixed?02:04
darthanubisWhere is Crimson?02:04
aciculaiunno02:04
bjsnidercrimsun, or dtchen, is not here at the present time02:05
bjsniderusually they're implementing a bunch of new features and have to fix lots o' bugs02:06
bcurtiswxhmm, cheese webcam booth doesnt seems to record sounds02:11
bcurtiswxpulse audio doesnt show it on its list of programs recording or outputing sound02:12
bcurtiswxno does sound recorder02:12
bcurtiswxnor*02:12
DanaGhttp://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33343802:17
DanaGgrr.02:17
ubottuGnome bug 333438 in mixer "gnome volume applet mute/zero volume behavior is not intuitive" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate]02:17
DanaGhttp://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33343802:17
x1250because pulseaudio sucks?02:19
DanaGI happen to like Pulseaudio.02:20
DanaGhmm, are you on 64-bit?02:20
bcurtiswx32 bit here02:20
x1250yeah, but think about it, if pulseaudio wouldn't have appeared, linux sound issues would have bee fixed. Instead, pulseaudio, the new wheel.02:21
x1250mm, that sounded provocative, no that I read it again. But is not meant as a flame, or anything, is just what I think.02:23
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alankilaI almost like pulseaudio personally. At least it can be easily configured to do high-quality resampling. With ALSA you almost could get that same to work, but not quite...02:25
DanaGhmm, I wonder if "cheese" is doing something odd with audio.  open gstreamer-properties... it should be set to "auto" or "pulseaudio".02:26
bcurtiswxthat did it02:30
bcurtiswxdamn gstreamer02:30
bcurtiswx<punches gstreamer>02:30
bcurtiswxi think pulse is great02:33
bcurtiswxits just not gonna be easy to get a preset config for everyone02:33
bcurtiswxits very configurable02:33
bcurtiswxwhich can be a bad thing02:33
alankilaDon't see much configurability seeping to the end user, though. The GUI is simple enough -- and for the first time literally ever I can pick between meaningful descriptions of inputs and outputs in my soundcard for what actually fits what I have connected02:34
alankila"I play with digital output and sample with analog input". Amazing. And it works.02:34
DanaGThe bummer for me: it mutes the all cards every time I log in.02:35
bcurtiswxi guess im more advanced with the sound things i have now.. so i can see your point02:35
alankilait seems to mute the digital output for all non-pulse apps for me each time I start pulseaudio02:35
alankiladamn thing, if only it left that "Optical Raw" toggle in peace I'd not have a single complaint.02:35
DanaGoh yeah, and it uses the wrong mixer on my (admittedly buggy) USB sound card.02:37
bcurtiswxyeah dan chens been doing some great and amazing work with pulse02:37
bcurtiswxits just not quite "there" yet02:37
DanaGThere's a "Speaker" and a "Speaker 1"... and only the latter works.02:37
DanaGBut, PA uses the first one.02:37
bcurtiswxThanks DanaG, adios02:42
DanaGhave a good day, night, evening, or whatever.02:43
bcurtiswxhaha, 9:43 PM for me02:43
DanaGhandy thing: pidgin plugin pack, slashexec plugin.02:43
DanaGMon Aug 24 18:43:29 PDT 200902:43
bcurtiswxSan Fran?02:43
bcurtiswxLos Ang?02:43
bcurtiswxSacrem?02:43
DanaGSomewhere right about in the middle, between SF and LA.02:44
bcurtiswxAnaheim?02:44
DanaGbah, off-topic, anyway.  Hint: check whois.02:45
bcurtiswxnot supported in empathy02:45
bcurtiswxyet (i hope)02:45
LLStarksi find it absurd that not even an image leak of the artwork drop is permitted02:58
LLStarksaugust 27th is a deliberately late date02:58
LLStarksto stifle criticism or potential necessary changes02:58
itswhatevLLStarks: what are you talking about?02:59
alankilaor perhaps to prevent others from stealing your thunder. What artwork drop, some stuff in karmic?02:59
LLStarksyah02:59
LLStarksthe artwork drop on thursday02:59
itswhatevscreenshots of the desktop?03:00
LLStarksthere are no screenshots03:00
LLStarksthat's the point03:00
LLStarkswe've had not a peep from canonical03:00
itswhatevweird, i've not met anyone to actually use the stock desktop of any distro.. i never find that stuff useful03:01
alankilaI suppose I use it. I mostly change the background to something else than various shades of poo and orange.03:03
buckyi do.. especially now that ubuntu is really brown03:03
itswhatevi would suggest standardizing on gnome-do's docky.. that's what i use, and if i had the time i'd contribute03:03
alankilaI have a 2560x1600 monitor and I enjoy using backdrops that put data to almost every pixel. The stock backgrounds are usually very low detail.03:04
buckyapt-cache search theme |grep gnome03:04
buckythere are more03:04
itswhatevalankila: the best stock bg's are in /usr/share/pixmaps/backgrounds/cosmos :)03:05
alankilayeah nice but low resolution... that only has data for 25 % of my pixels and rest are produced via interpolation. It won't look too horrible, I guess, but I really prefer crisp detail.03:06
alankilaI wasn't aware of these images... what are they used for, xscreensaver's image screensaver?03:07
DanaGI have 1920x1200 at 15.4".  really nice and high DPI.03:08
x1250well, to be honest, I don't like pulseaudio because I has not worked fine for me. In occations high cpu usage, others noice or performance issues. And now something that I can't really ignore: kdenlive just doesn't work! performance goes to 1 or 2 fps per second. Now, I haven no seen that issue with some other software than pulseaudio. And, it has had for me so many issues that I began hating it. BUT I have tested pulseaudio from time to tim03:11
x1250e. I go back to alsa only when things break up. And sadly, that has been frequent.03:11
x1250second "I" is a "it". Memory went sleepy.03:13
bjsniderDanaG, you're really big on the ol' DPI03:15
DanaGYup.  It's awesome.03:15
DanaGAwesomely smooth font rendering.03:15
DanaGIt's about halfway (147dpi) to paper (300dpi).03:15
bjsnideri don't know that we have the horsepower to create desktops with 300 dpi03:18
DanaGAnd on desktop LCDs, about the highest I've seen for any sane price, is 110 DPI.  That sucks.03:18
giovaniDanaG: best to just buy the raw panel on ebay then03:19
DanaGTo get 150 DPI, I'd need a 20 inch, 2560x1600 display.03:19
bjsniderwhen quad hd and super-hi-def come in, dot pitches will be a lot higher03:21
DanaGOh, and the transition from 16:10 to 16:9 also sucks.03:22
DanaGIt'll be like having my 35-pixel panels suddenly become 95 pixels, in terms of lost screen space.03:23
DanaGs/ll/d/03:23
keanuJust tried upgrading to Karmic to see if there were any bugs.  I've only been using it for a few minutes, but I noticed that there's two bugs with sound that might be related:03:29
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keanuOn a dell inspiron 1525 with an STAC9228 sound card chip, when using the second headphone jack, if the sum of Headphone 1's level and Master's level is less than or equal to 100, there's no sound03:30
keanufor example, with Master's volume at 11, and Headphone 1's at 89 (sum of 100) there's no sound03:31
keanuif either one is increased, the sound's there at decent listening levels03:31
keanuhmm...that's also true for the first headphone jack as well (simply labeled Headphone in alsamixer)03:32
bjsniderDanaG, don't webpages and graphcis look quite small on your screen?03:36
DanaGI just had to set Gnome, and Firefox, to the correct DPI.03:36
DanaG... and set a minimum font size.03:36
DanaGGranted, some badly-coded pages do break, but it's usually not too horrible.03:36
alankilaI think the high DPI is not an end in itself. All that matters is that individual pixels stop being properly distinguishable, and that's a function of the top angle of the pyramid that a single pixel on screen forms when projected into eye.03:44
alankilaOne has to admit that many things are a lot easier if you do have extra resolution. Like you can dispense with antialiasing, or defects in that or such don't matter much anymore.03:45
DanaGYup, for example, I can run HL2DM at 1920x1200, with no AA, pretty well.03:48
alankilawhat I'm getting to is that the optimum has to be not far from 96. Maybe it's a tad higher than that, though.03:48
DanaGFor me, the 147DPI display is significantly easier on my eyes than any other screen I've ever used.03:48
DanaGThe worst screens I've ever used, have been more like 86 DPI.03:48
DanaG19" 1280x1024 or 1440x900.03:49
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alankilaI don't doubt that.03:49
alankilaWe could still improve the 96 dpi by having proper gamma-corrected alphablending for instance.03:49
alankilaWhat I am getting to, ultimately, is that as soon as individual pixels stop being distinguishable, you can do the rest with algorithms.03:50
alankilaand extremly high DPI can be a very expensive substitute for just using the fewer pixels better.03:50
alankilait seems to me that 30" monitor necessiates a certain viewing distance where you don't have to crane the neck when you look around the display. It wouldn't make much sense to improve DPI on this at least: you have to be quite far in every case. Conversely, a smaller display but higher DPI might work just as well as this does.03:52
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alankilaanyway, been hoping for a long time that somebody would take up the task of writing gamma-corrected alphablending but it looks like you have to do stuff yourself if you want to play with something like that. The basic idea is to not do mixing in RGB colour space but in approximated physical luminosity color space. Some benefits would be like reduced color fringing in subpixel rendering.04:00
alankilabut now I have to sleep.04:00
zaccourhow stable is the alpha right now? i might install it04:01
x1250zaccour, depends on your hardware and your priorities. Its a matter of luck and personal experience :) I would say that fairly good, but it also has bugs...04:02
zaccourx1250, i have an msi laptop04:04
zaccourthe webcam doesn't work in current 9.04 though04:04
zaccouri tried alpha 4 and couldn't get add/remove to open04:04
bjsniderlol. but now i have to sleep04:05
x1250well, you should try to get some more information about what happened, console outputs, make a backtrace if you know how. You can report a bug on launchpad.net.04:07
geniiIs the jockey-kde broken? Won't install nvidia or atheros proprietary drivers (even when run with kdesudo)04:07
bjsnideratheros proprietary drivers (madwifi) are no longer necessary04:08
geniibjsnider: OK. How about nvidia?04:09
bjsniderthat's only necessary if you don't want a bunch of intolerable problems with your graphics display04:10
dan457darnit, intel 915 was working..... now display is al glitchy.04:11
zaccourhow is alpha on the msi laptops?04:14
geniibjsnider: Heh. The prob is it sees I have an 8300 and suggests a driver, but then when proceeding just flashes back again to the main screen without doing the install.04:15
bjsniderwell,just install the nvidia-glx-185 package04:16
bjsnidermake sure the nvidia driver is listed in the xorg.conf file and you'll be ok04:16
bjsniderthen your only problem will be that you're running kde04:17
dan457anyone fix the problem with kde04:19
dan457's package manager04:19
dan457been using apt-get on all the computers lately...04:19
x1250you should try aptitude, it can make you really happy in time.04:20
x1250I never use a gui.04:20
x1250(because aptitude is so good ofcourse)04:21
dan457I use both. I have cheated on one box an installe synapic though04:21
sparris there a command line tool to automate the "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get -f install;" cycle?04:21
zaccourdoes the alpha stage look any different than the current release so far?04:21
dan457<--one box on 9.04, 3 boxeson 9.10. the karmic boxes mostly work but have issues.04:22
geniibjsnider: I also use Gnome and XFCE incidentally. :)04:23
dan457So far more problems with kde than gnome.04:23
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bjsnideri'm just trying to start a pointless kde vs. gnome flame war04:25
dan457I like both.  :-)04:25
x1250I have used both too, but dropped kde4 for performance issues. Maybe now that I got a core 2 duo for my inspiron I could give it a try. Also, ati's driver are in good shape, but I expecto that karmic final has better 2D performance.04:26
geniix1250: 4.3 on my core2duo works tolerably well04:27
x1250genii, I'll give it a try right now hehe :)04:28
dan457kde is getting more fun now, but still not as smooth or stable as gnome here04:28
x1250what is your hardware dan457 ?04:29
dan457no prformance isuues04:29
x1250what do you mean by smooth? usability?04:29
dan457 eeepc 701 though quad core boxes04:29
dan457more problems with things workin in kde than gnome04:29
zaccourhow is the msi laptops for alpha stage right now?04:29
x1250okay04:29
dan457performance is fine for both04:29
x1250good. I'm downloading packages.04:30
dan457eeepc intel 915 chipset was great, best speed ever, but when I updated today it's glitchy04:30
zaccouris there a new theme yet? lol04:31
x1250As things have developed, I doubt there will be a revolutionary theme, ever. Just more alternatives.04:32
x1250and evolutionary good improvements ofcourse.04:33
zaccouri'd like to see more colorful themes04:33
zaccourhowever i do like the brown/orange default theme04:34
x1250I'd like to see improvements on video editing. Cinelerra is dead? I've seen no commit for months. On the other side, kdenlive seems very active. And it has a very nice interface, it crashes less also. And... it reads AVCHD files, and everything ffmpeg and mlt allows.04:35
x1250It has rough edges, I have reported 4 bugs in jut a few days. But videos are completely doable. Very good.04:36
x1250well, I'm out for a KDE4 test.04:37
zaccouris the package management and desktop stable?04:37
x1250refreshing! I like it, actually. Looks very nice.04:43
dan457It has some nice tricks04:44
x1250I will purge gnome, and use kde for a while. Nautilus is hitting 100% usage a lot, so a nice vacation from that nightmare will be ok.04:44
x1250too much whites for me tho, I like dark themes.04:45
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histoTrying to figure out why the mini.iso is failing right now.04:58
histoughh. karmic hates me.04:58
histozaccour: there are a few problems right now04:58
histozaccour: as there will be for a while04:59
dtchenas a heads-up, 2.6.31-7-generic breaks encrypted lvm really, really badly.05:09
bjsniderwhy would the kernel do that05:09
dtchenchanges to md?05:10
bjsniderthat's in the kernel? i thought it was separate05:10
dtchenwithout md, you have no lvm05:11
bjsniderlinus should be told05:11
dtchenno, we need to reproduce it in 2.6.31-rc7 vanilla05:11
dtcheni'm not terribly keen about losing another two hours of troubleshooting time, but here goes05:12
bjsnidersomebody was asking for you earlier05:12
bjsniderpulse problem of some kind05:12
dtchenmake sure he's/she's running the latest05:12
jmlhi05:13
bjsniderit's darthanubis05:13
dtchen(1:0.9.16~test6-3-g57e1-0ubuntu1)05:13
jmlmy most recent update seems to break skype05:13
jmlis there a known workaround?05:13
dtchenskype is broken due to ia32-libs no longer shipping the 32-bit pulse bits05:14
dtchenplenty of bugs and dupes on launchpad for it05:14
dtchensorry, but i really need to fix my karmic system ATMM05:14
jmldtchen, no worries, that's a big help -- I'll look into it on LP05:14
histookay this system is out to get me now05:15
histomini.iso is broken right now05:15
MsMacolvm users, do not install the -7 kernel05:23
MsMacocrimsun: ive already said "lvm users, dont install the -7 kernel" dont worry05:37
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DanaGhmm, should change "should avoid"  to something stronger?05:42
DanaGlike, encrypted LVM users: 2.6.31-7-generic IS BROKEN.05:42
DanaGor WILL BREAK THINGS.05:42
MsMacoor WILL NOT BOOT05:47
DanaGIf that's what it is, then yes.05:52
DanaGor:   2.6.31-7.27-generic WON'T BOOT on LVM.05:53
mac_vweird! i cannot get sound from dual apps in my profiles but when i create a new profile i am able to get sound from multiple apps! how do i solve this?05:59
MsMacoDanaG: not sure if itll boot on non-lvm. i havent been crazy enough to try rebooting into it since crimsun told me his machine wouldnt boot :)06:03
MsMacoupstream rc7 boots though06:03
darthanubisso KDE can't play flash and mp3s without pulse?06:04
MsMacokubuntu shouldnt need pulse...06:06
darthanubisshouldnt06:07
DanaG  * Enable net redirections, now that bash isn't the default shell     anymore. LP: #215034.06:07
DanaGyay.06:07
darthanubisbut in truth no mp3s play without it. And no sound from flash06:07
MsMacoyou sure its not the two-apps-trying-at-once thing?06:08
darthanubisI'm sure06:12
darthanubispulseaudio is starting to become a bad word06:13
DanaGwait, is Flash trying to take an exclusive lock on the device?06:15
mac_vcould someone confirm this? Bug #41127406:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 411274 in pulseaudio "Pulsaeaudio hogs memory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41127406:20
buckythe sound in youtube cuts off when i move the volume slider on the panel nest to time/date/calendar06:20
newserare there any new features Karmic Koala will have that the current distribution doesn't have?06:26
SwedeMikemost likely.06:27
SwedeMikethat's usually what happens when you have a new version.06:27
newserany clues?06:29
SwedeMikeabout what?06:29
SwedeMikeif you are looking for the new features, I suggst googling for "new features in karmic koala" and see what you find.06:30
SwedeMikesuggest06:30
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durtanyone know what {a} means after a package name when doing an apt-get install?06:32
cwilluautomatically installed I _think_06:40
cwillu"man apt-get", and then /{a}<enter> (or /\{a\}<enter>) might tell you more06:40
cwilluor not06:40
cwillulooks like an aptitude thing, and that's indeed what it means there06:41
* cwillu pokes durt with the make-sure-he-saw-that stick06:42
durtOw... first time I've seen it with apt-get.06:43
cwilluapt-get has been receiving some attention in the last couple releases, I'm not surprised to see it growing such things06:44
cwillucould check the changelog to make sure though06:44
cwillu!changelog06:44
ubottuchangelogs for Ubuntu packages can be found on http://changelogs.ubuntu.com06:44
* cwillu turns in06:44
jetsaredimis there any way to troubleshoot package install failure07:06
jetsaredimone of the package deps had a configuration error and want to figure out what the problem is07:07
jetsaredimpackage in question is mediatomb07:07
durtlog is /var/log/apt/term.log07:09
jetsaredimruh roh07:10
jetsaredimit initially failed due to a script already existing in /etc/init.d/07:11
jetsaredimso I got rid of it so that when i reinstalled the package it would get past that check07:11
jetsaredimbut now the file's still not there07:11
darthanubiswhere is the faq for kubuntu not being able to play audio from more than one source07:12
jetsaredimand trying to re"install" the package just returns a rather cryptic error07:12
darthanubisI got rid of pulse, now I need to correct this issue07:12
durtjetsaredim, and the error message would be?07:12
jetsaredim subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 107:13
jetsaredimyes, that's a lot of descriptive words, but not the right ones07:13
jetsaredimi suppose i could find the package tree in lp.n and see where the error is coming from07:14
durtI wonder if there's some sort of verbose output that would give you a line number?07:15
durtsimilar to a bash script07:16
jetsaredimi tried aptitude -v install, but that didn't offer much more help07:17
jetsaredimi also tried dpkg-reconfigure07:17
jetsaredimbut that just tells me what i already know - that the package is broken07:17
jetsaredimhmm - maybe i'll try reinstalling from scratch and see if i can get some better results07:20
jetsaredimcheers07:20
durtjetsaredim, the post-int script might be in /var/lib/dpkg/info07:22
darthanubisflash 10 audio is killing audio in kubuntu 9.1007:34
darthanubisJC STILL we can't get sound working without all this BS07:34
darthanubiswe REALLY have to do this EVERY release?07:35
hifilol, blame adobe07:36
mac_vdarthanubis: try this , create a new user and test sound in a new user profile, see if everything works fine there?07:37
darthanubissorry, but I can't do anything with rookie advice07:38
mac_v i cannot get sound from dual apps in my profile but when i create a new profile i am able to get sound from multiple apps! how do i solve this?07:38
darthanubisI need serious solutions07:38
darthanubisand it seems pulseaudio is tied to all my kde apps07:38
mac_vyour wish ,07:39
darthanubisI can just tell you guys are guessing07:39
mac_vdarthanubis: since no one really knows the ans... you can wait for final release for product to be better or try contacting the actual devs ;)07:40
mac_vs/for/of07:40
darthanubiswrong again07:40
darthanubissomeone knows07:41
mac_vyes , the actual devs07:41
darthanubiswrong again07:41
mac_vdarthanubis: first of , my advice was not a solution to your problem , it was a debug to test if something is messed up with your profile or not... it is not a solution but rather a path to narrowing it down07:42
darthanubispulse-rt group is missing07:59
rohdefanyone active or is it as futile to ask as usual?08:20
SwedeMikerohdef: if you don't ask, it's 0% chance you'll get an answer.08:21
rohdefthat's true, I'm just used to silence :p08:22
mac_v!anyone | rohdef08:22
ubotturohdef: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?08:22
rohdefI can't find libgecko-cil or any packages like it. Are they removed, and what do I do if a compilation depends on it?08:23
SwedeMikelibgecko2.0-cil - CLI binding for the GtkMozEmbed library, unstable version08:24
rohdefmac_v, hmmm, I might not be innocent on the "Does anybody" part :S ... bummer08:24
SwedeMikerohdef: is that it?08:24
SwedeMikethat's from 9.04, not 9.10 though08:25
mpontilloI'm finding that with Karmic the PCM volume in alsamixer is set way too high - and so my speakers sound really lousy. however whenever I lower the PCM volume, something (pulseaudio?) lowers the master volume instead.08:25
rohdefI don't think so08:25
rohdefthey are python bindings, what I need is C# (mono) bindings08:25
mpontillosome forum threads suggest shutting down pulseaudio, then saving the alsa mixer settings - but when I run /usr/bin/pulseaudio --kill, pulseaudio restarts itself - and I'm not sure what's restarting it...?08:25
rohdefI think at least, two secs08:25
rohdefSwedeMike, can you find the first package you wrote in aptitude/synaptic/whatever?08:26
SwedeMikerohdef: sudo apt-cache searc libgecko08:26
SwedeMikesearch08:26
rohdefSwedeMike, no result for mine :S08:27
SwedeMiketry adding more sources for apt, like universe08:27
rohdefSwedeMike, I have all except source code, can it be a source thing?08:28
SwedeMikeI have no idea.08:28
rohdefI'll give it a try08:29
rohdefno luck08:29
rohdefcan I have a copy of a clean /etc/apt/sources.list ?08:29
rohdef(or at least relatively clean)08:30
rohdefnever mind, I'll just download the iso and copy it from there :) thanks for the help SwedeMike08:48
richardcavellI'm wondering if the new pulse audio updates are going to get my sound working.  Has anyone installed them?09:01
Machtini wonder if i still have pulseaudio o.O09:03
Machtinbeacuse.. The program 'pulseaudio' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:09:04
Machtinhowever, sound still works..09:04
richardcavellsome people who have uninstalled pulseaudio claim that it fixes their sound09:09
Machtininteresting.. might work - since it is not installed here. o.O09:10
Machtinwhich brings to my mind: i wanted to buy a x-fi titanium.09:10
MachtinWould that one just work? i think i read it was supposed to be included in 2.6.3109:18
nzmmhas the youtube plugin beenr emoved from totem in karmic?09:31
mac_vnzmm: are you not getting a prompt to install the flash plugin? or ...?09:34
nzmmNo.  Totem had a youtube plugin in prior releases.  See here: http://tecnocode.co.uk/2007/10/12/totem-youtube-plugin/09:37
nzmmBut i cant see it in totem and i cant see any package in synaptic that looks like its the plugin either09:38
skazi21101i just had updated my system and i see some big trouble. update-manager disappeared. i can even intall it. what is this?09:52
mvoskazi21101: updated from 9.04 to 9.10 alpha?09:53
skazi21101it was 9.10. i opened update-manager and just get patial update09:54
mvoskazi21101: what changes did it made then ? or did it crash while performing this update?09:54
mvoskazi21101: if the later, do you have a crash file in /var/crash ?09:54
skazi21101no. it didn`t crash09:54
skazi21101it just removes update-manager09:55
nzmmskazi21101:  wait a few hours and use aptitutude safe-upgrade09:55
skazi21101are you sure&09:55
nzmmnot really09:55
nzmmbut dont see why it wouldnt09:55
nzmmits prob just a dependency issue09:56
skazi21101what cen replace update-maneger?09:56
nzmmsynaptic if you like a gui09:56
skazi21101i mean. if i would like to do realese upgrade?09:57
nzmmwhat do you mean by release upgrade?09:58
skazi21101update-manager -d09:58
skazi21101what can do this command?09:59
nzmmare you already using 9.10 or are you on 9.0409:59
nzmm?09:59
skazi21101already 9.1010:00
nzmmi would use 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'10:01
nzmmactually 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'10:02
nzmmsee how that works for you10:02
nzmmskazi21101: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=124891510:02
skazi21101thanks10:06
skazi21101it seems that there is no such version of update-manager that will work with 9.10 at this moment.10:07
nzmmlike i said wait a few hours the packages will come10:08
skazi21101thanks a lot!10:08
vakhi all10:09
vakI just updated my Ubuntu Karmic and it doesn't boot into X :(10:09
nzmm :(10:09
vakboth "startx" and "modprobe nvidia" says "module nvidia not found"10:09
skazi21101vak: i had this problem10:09
skazi21101vak: flgrx doesn`t start10:10
vakskazi21101: oh, did you solve it?10:10
mac_vmvo: hi... a couple of bugs i had mentioned to you regarding gnome-codec-install and the update manager grabbing focus , shall i assign them to you as a reminder ?10:10
skazi21101vak: and i was unable to solve it. i just format disk, keeping  /home and install it again.10:11
mvomac_v: I fixed one focus bug the other day, but please give me the bug numbers and I check10:11
skazi21101what it says&10:11
vakskazi21101: oh... paifull....10:11
skazi21101vak: what it says in dmesg?10:11
vak*painfull10:11
mvomac_v: I may work on them after feature freeze, before may be busy10:11
skazi21101vak: startx?10:11
mac_vmvo: no probs, they are just bugs ;) no hurry let me get the bug number10:12
vakskazi21101: startx says "module nvidia not found"10:12
nzmmvak:  try uninstall the drivers?10:13
skazi21101vak: yes10:13
vaknzvm: skazi21101: unistall all nvidia* stuff?10:14
skazi21101ТЩ10:14
skazi21101NO10:14
vakoh10:14
mac_vmvo: Bug #391479 is the focus grab, i'm not sure if the gnome-codec-install bug is fixed or not > Bug #405155 has the list of all the codec bugs10:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 391479 in update-manager "Child Windows [of Synaptic/update manager] should remain in the same desktop as the parent window" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39147910:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 405155 in gnome-codec-install "No prompt to install "ubuntu-restricted-extras" packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40515510:15
skazi21101read some thing about installing fglrx with nvidia drivers. i must go10:15
vakskazi21101: OK, спасибо10:16
nzmmvak: try sudo aptitude remove nvidia-glx-18510:18
nzmmthen log try to restart the session10:18
nzmmthen try*10:19
vaknzmm: hm, for some reasn I have nvidia-glx-180, whereas all other nvidia stuff is 185...10:19
vaknzmm: maybe that's the reason?10:20
nzmmmaybe10:20
nzmmi would remove all of those 180 packages10:20
nzmmthen install nvidia-glx-185 afresh10:20
nacho_hi10:22
nacho_anybody has the problem of not having "setenv" ?10:23
nzmmhi10:23
vaknzmm:  thanks man! :)10:24
nzmmvak:  np10:24
vaknzmm: now I can boot again!10:24
alankilasetenv is in particular shell10:25
alankilatcsh, right? You have other ways to deal with environment on bash.10:25
nacho_alankila, the other day I've installed csh to track a bug on gedit, I removed csh and now I have setenv complaining when I start gnome-terminal10:26
nacho_it says that setenv doesn't exist10:26
alankilaand tcsh = fail, so don't try to use it as shell. I had an annoying sysadmin who force-fed tcsh to everyone.10:26
alankilaso? Get rid of whatever piece of program you have wherever you have it that tries to execute the setenv...10:27
nacho_the problem is that I don't know which program is trying to execute setenv10:27
alankilaok, well, grep setenv from $HOME/.* first10:27
nacho_and the weird thing is that echo $SHELL says /bin/csh10:27
alankilaif that doesn't find it, it's probably in /env10:27
alankilaWhat does "ps" say, does it say bash, csh, or something else?10:28
alankilain /etc I meant, anyway10:28
nacho_just bash10:28
alankilahum, interesting. So it claims to use an uninstalled shell... What does "which csh" say?10:29
nacho_nothing10:29
alankilaHmm. Try to change shell back to /bin/bash with chsh10:30
alankilain case it isn't already /bin/bash.10:30
mvoskazi21101: I added update-manager now to update-managers removal blacklist :)10:31
nacho_alankila, making chsh -s /bin/bash already says /bin/csh when echo $SHELL10:31
skazi21101mvo: and how it can help me? i don`t understand?10:32
nacho_maybe some kind of weird thing in the alternatives10:32
alankilanacho_: err... "already" /bin/csh? This is getting ridiculous.10:32
mvoskazi21101: well, you mentioned earlier that during a partial upgrade update-manager removed itself, in the future this will not happen anymore10:32
nacho_and in /etc/passwd says /bin/bash too10:32
alankilanacho_: ok. So I bet something somewhere is changing the SHELL=something to something else. Your task is to find that program and kill it with extreme prejudice.10:33
alankilait's likely a terrible statement like "export SHELL=/bin/csh", which makes 0 sense10:33
skazi21101mvo: man, i want it back. maybe you better tell me how make it come back?10:33
nacho_alankila, I agree it has to be something like that10:33
mvoskazi21101: what does "sudo apt-get install update-manager" in a terminal print?10:34
skazi21101it says no such package10:34
alankilanacho_: it might be somewhere in /etc, like /etc/profile.d or something... It's hard to say, but it's probably leftover configuration from your csh install10:34
mvoskazi21101: and sudo apt-get update ? does that print errors?10:34
skazi21101no10:34
alankilaone easy way to fix that might be to install it back, then apt-get --purge remove csh. That removes also leftover config files. If that fixes it, you should open a bug: installing csh hoses bash, not good.10:35
nacho_alankila, doesn't seem to be in /etc as I already greped there and didn't find anything10:35
nacho_I already purged it10:35
nacho_BTW with root echo $SHELL says /bin/bash10:35
mvoskazi21101: that is odd, what does your /etc/apt/sources.list contain?10:35
nacho_so I can imagin csh overrided something in my user config10:36
alankilanacho_: ok, so it plugged some shit in your home dir then.10:36
alankilaman bash lists the files it reads from home dir in the FILES section, so check those10:37
nacho_ok10:37
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diverse_izzuean upgrade this morning installed packagekit for me? is karmic going to use packagekit?13:55
Bauldrickhello, I run kubuntu-netbook and have just upgraded - but after logging in I see a black screen, kubuntu-netbook suggest I come here and ask about disabling kernel modesetting? Any help14:00
BluesKajHowdy folks14:12
BluesKajthis is a known bug , dunno yet if it affects anything , but was wondering if others have the same warning : WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/lsb_release.py is linked but does not belong to any package.14:18
gnomefreakBluesKaj: yes everyone should get that warning14:20
gnomefreakBluesKaj: im thinking they just changed the link in /debian/links file14:21
gnomefreakits not hurting anything14:21
BluesKajok well i have a python script and I hope the path hasn't changed14:23
eagles0513875gnomefreak: why on earth when one installs the kubuntu-restricted-extras it wants to pull a font form sourceforge which is a .exe14:27
gnomefreakeagles0513875: dont know you may want to ask in #kubuntu or someone that knows more about it. i will look at the package in a minute14:28
eagles0513875this is on karmic14:28
eagles0513875i am running it on a vm14:28
gnomefreakeagles0513875: do you know what .exe it wasnt?14:29
eagles0513875gnomefreak: its some font exe from source forge14:29
gnomefreakeagles0513875: kubuntu-restricted-extras should be the same on jaunty as it is in karmic14:29
gnomefreakah well that explains it14:29
eagles0513875corefonts which is having issues resolving the site name14:30
iPoRni'm trying to edit the "login screen" but, i have a problem, i don't have the option Login Window Preference on "System > Administration > Login Window Preferences"14:30
eagles0513875http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe14:30
eagles0513875that is what its trying to download14:30
gnomefreakalot of fonts dont support linux14:31
gnomefreakIdleOne: you dont have the menu entry ?14:31
gnomefreakdamn14:31
IdleOnenp14:31
gnomefreakiPoRn: you dont have the menu entry?14:31
iPoRngnomefreak, no ;/14:32
gnomefreaklook in system-pref-main menu see if it is there under admin14:32
gnomefreakiPoRn: ^^^14:32
gnomefreaki cant recall if it was shown by default14:33
iPoRni've been searching, but i can't find a way to change it14:33
mandaraiPoRn, what do you want to edit? What  to change?14:33
iPoRni want to change the login screen14:33
gnomefreakiPoRn: ok hold opn a sec.14:33
mandaraiPoRn, you mean theme14:34
iPoRni'm not sure if the Login Screen, is a part of the Theme, or not14:34
iPoRnbut, probably is14:34
gnomefreaki know one package that provides it IIRC its gnome-art14:35
iPoRni've installed gnome-art, will try with that one14:37
iPoRntks14:37
gnomefreakgnome-splashscreen-manager might help instead of gnome-art14:38
gnomefreaknope thats not it14:38
mandaraiPoRn, I think you can't currently change anything about Login screen, except make user login automatically14:38
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iPoRnwith gnome-art, there about 200 login screens14:39
gnomefreakgnome-art should do it14:39
gnomefreakyeah thats right bvecause they have the lgin  differently14:40
gnomefreakiPoRn: right now you cant change anything theme wise just "show the screen for choosing who logs in" and "login as $name automaticly"14:41
iPoRnhum...ok14:42
gnomefreakbe back in a few need to make a call14:43
shadeslayermore updates :D14:51
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arvind_khadrihi, i am on 9.04 now... if i change the instances of jaunty in sources.list and then do a dist-upgrade will i come to karmic?15:04
shadeslayerarvind_khadri: probably.....15:04
arvind_khadrishadeslayer, ok so how do i come to karmic, without doing a fresh install15:05
shadeslayer!upgrade | arvind_khadri15:06
ubottuarvind_khadri: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading15:06
shadeslayerarvind_khadri: youll be downloading alot of packages..... you could be using a upgrade cd as well15:07
arvind_khadrishadeslayer, doesnt it work like debian?15:08
shadeslayerarvind_khadri: what does debian do?15:08
arvind_khadrishadeslayer, when you change the instances of the name , and then hit a dist-upgrade you go to the next version...15:10
vasuviI installed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on my system; is there any way to get Ubuntu to use it without manually editing xorg.conf?15:10
shadeslayerarvind_khadri: ive never attempted that15:10
bjsnidervasuvi, what does it use instead?15:11
vasuvibjsnider: nv15:13
bjsniderand what graphics card is this?15:13
vasuviGeForce 520015:13
bjsniderthat's tough15:13
bjsnideri'm not sure nouveau would work on that old card as well as nv would15:13
vasuvi(yeah, old and slow one I know, but that's what a relative's computer has ;) )15:14
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vasuviso you think it's not worth it to use nouveau then?15:14
bjsnidernouveau is more appropriate for geforce 8k/9k cards15:14
vasuviah, ok15:14
bjsniderthe x server in this case is picking the right driver15:14
bjsniderbut you can at least try it15:14
vasuviso if I were to repeat the exercise on a computer with a, say, 8800 GT, it should automatically pick nouveau you think?15:15
bjsniderit should15:15
bjsniderif not, then a bug should be filed15:15
bjsniderbut with that card, you should be using the nvidia binary blob15:15
vasuviokies; I'll try it out with an Ubuntu nightly when I get back home then :)15:16
vasuvias for the binary blob, nah, if I wanted to play games I'd boot up into Windows; for all other purposes I can think of (sans wobbly windows), nouveau should be good enough15:16
vasuviand open-source is one of the reasons I got into Linux in the first place, and prefer to use it whenever possible15:17
shadeslayerbjsnider: i have a 8600 M GT....is it better than the nvidia 190 drivers?15:24
bjsnidernouveau?15:24
bjsniderno15:24
shadeslayerbjsnider: yep15:24
* shadeslayer sticks to the nvidia 190 drivers then15:25
shadeslayeroh and btw is dbus broken in KDE?15:36
shadeslayeri cant seem to change my laptop to powersaving mode.....it could be power-devil as well.....not sure though15:37
darthanubisanyone playing two sources of sound at the same time in kubuntu 9.10. I remember fixing this issue in 9.04 but can't find the same fix.15:41
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bjsniderdarthanubis, i talked to dtchen on your behalf last night. he said make sure you're running the latest pulseaudio release15:48
BluesKajDunno if you guys noticed but it seems ffmpeg is the stripped version on medibuntu now ...it suddenly stopped working on my video transfers to the TiVo.15:49
BluesKajneither medibuntu nor kubuntu-restricted-extras contain the required decoding capabilities anymore. As much as I fear svn's flakiness , I had no choice but to use it for the ffmpeg build.15:50
shadeslayerBluesKaj: is power devil working for you?15:52
BluesKajshadeslayer, no it never has :)15:53
BluesKajshadeslayer, I'm a manual type user , even the shautdown procedure doesn't work from kicker anymore , i just halt  from the shell15:54
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BluesKajsuddenly lots of stuff is begining to break , or is it just my setup ...16:00
shadeslayerBluesKaj: same here16:10
shadeslayerBluesKaj: its like a mid aplha break down16:11
CyberkillaHello again16:27
Cyberkilla;)16:27
itswhatevjust want to verify.. the current rt kernel only supports one proc/1 core correct?16:36
sparrphp is causing apache to segfault, anyone else experiencing that problem?17:29
buchAnyone have any idea why i cant install the latest ati catalyst in the latest kernel?17:33
bjsniderbuch, because ati has not made the driver buildable on the latest kernel17:33
bjsniderand won't until karmic is ready to be released, probably17:34
buchahh okay17:34
mac_vbuch: BTW , i use ATI too , why is the need for a catalyst? does it improve anything?17:35
giovanibuch: use nvidia cards, you'll be much happier17:35
bjsnideror use another ati graphics driver. i can't say which one. it is difficult to keep track of their many drivers.17:36
buchWell i do use nvidia on my desktop but on my notebook17:36
* alankila thinks radeonhd is pretty good driver overall.17:36
alankilabut then again, I have 2 or 3 year old laptop.17:36
* mac_v too^17:36
bjsnideris work still proceeding on radeonhd? they fired one of the devs17:36
buchActually i saw a youtube vidoe where someone were useing the latest kernel and the latest ati catalyst - and the fliggering shit were solved17:36
buchits a radeon hd 3200 i think17:37
alankilafglrx has worked like 20 % of the time I have had this laptop. I hate ATI's utterly crappy support, somehow these people can't make things work as well as nvidia people do. But then again, the reason nvidia stuff works is probably because it replaces most of the X server itself with its own stuff.17:37
BluesKajI hate to agree ,but nvidia (a used 7600gt ) has saved me a lot of grief over the last yr17:37
bjsniderit replaces the mes part, which is horribly broken and has been for years17:38
bjsnidermesa that is17:38
BluesKajalankila, nvidia just provides better linux support IMO17:38
alankilayes, but the *reason* why they succeed better than ATI is probably because they aren't so great a team player, I suspect.17:38
giovanithat's not an opinion ... it's something everyone knows17:38
giovaninvidia plays ball with the linux community, period17:39
alankilathey just have their proprietary driver, GL implementation, and a driver that hooks into X server and simply replaces about 1/3rd of it with its own stuff, according to a person called "Linux graphics hater" :)17:39
bjsnidernvidia had a head start. they've had a good driver years before ati even started trying17:39
giovaniwell it's not a contest about who can do it the fastest17:40
x1250better support than ati? ATI opensource drivers are better than nvidia ones.17:40
giovaniit's an evaluation of the current state17:40
bjsniderx1250, yes, and they're still crap17:40
x1250bjsnider, maybe, but they work fine here. I hope to see speed improvements tho, but they are not bad.17:41
alankilaI wonder if anyone can validate the stuff written on this document: http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/nitty-gritty-shit-on-open-source.html17:41
mac_vhmm... i have a weird problem, when i try to play sound in my user profile i can *not* get sound to play in 2 apps simultaneously , but when i create a new user , sound works fine and i can play several apps simultaneously! how do i solve this?17:41
bjsniderthe graphics hating page is accurate17:41
bjsnideralankila, gallium/ttm/gem/dri2 is an effort to deal with the issues presented in the article you're talking about17:42
bjsniderin other words, software rendering instead of hardware, and no memory manager17:43
alankilaright, I've heard some talk about that stuff for some time, even rumours that if you buy just the right hardware it might run for you too17:43
bjsniderthey won't have that stuff done for some time yet. years, probably17:43
bjsniderthe intel driver already uses gem and dri217:44
bjsniderso it has a memory manager now17:44
buchYeah actually my desktop, got this old nvidia geforce fx 5200 ultra - wich are bound to use legacy driver 173.. but runs flawlessly after i enabled agp fastwrites, except youtube ect. but guess there are some other issues involved17:45
alankilaoh, I am being treated well. linux hater has new posts!17:54
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Cyberkillaanybody here having trouble with the latest nvidia drivers in karmic?18:04
dotblankCyberkilla, with the downlaoded ones fromt hier site18:04
CyberkillaAh, I only tried the repository version.18:04
dotblankCyberkilla, the repo one worked for me18:04
CyberkillaWhenever I try the 185.18.31, 185.18.36 or 190.x.x drivers, I get artifacts, then the computer resets itself18:05
dotblankThe downloaded one failed to compile the kernel module18:05
Cyberkillaah18:05
Cyberkillaokay18:05
CyberkillaI've had to go back to 185.18.14, which is the old one.18:05
dotblankCyberkilla, are you running compiz?18:05
Cyberkillayes, thought it was causing a problem both with and without compiz18:05
dotblankhmm I thought 185 was the new one (for the repo)18:06
Cyberkillait is18:06
Cyberkilla185.18.31 was added a few days ago18:06
dotblankand 185 isnt working?18:06
Cyberkilla185.18.36 is the latest nvidia stable18:06
Cyberkillabut that doesn't work for me either18:06
dotblankhmm18:06
Cyberkillaonly 185.18.1418:06
dotblankwhat card do you have18:06
CyberkillaNVidia GeForce 8400M GT18:06
CyberkillaInside of a Sony Vaio VGN-AR41E18:07
dotblankhmm you tried purging the driver and reinstalling also removing anyother binary drivers?18:07
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CyberkillaI have removed all drivers, booted into vesa and installed them again.18:07
DanaGgrr, stupid intel wifi... AMT still breaks it.18:07
CyberkillaIt just doesn't seem to be making any difference.18:07
CyberkillaThe interesting thing is...18:08
CyberkillaThe instability can be slowed if I switch to a TTY whenever I see artifacts forming18:08
CyberkillaAlso, it will remain stable for longer if I cause as little repainting as possible18:08
CyberkillaThe moment I start opening menus, moving windows, etc, it goes insance18:09
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CyberkillaThat suggests some sort of memory allocation bug18:09
dotblankwell it must be a bug in the newer versions with your card.. I would just stick to 180 for now and wait it out. 180.14 added vdpau support so you wouldnt be missing anything too drastic18:09
CyberkillaAs if it is writing to the wrong place, then it eventually writes beyond VRAM and triggers a system reset18:09
CyberkillaI haven't a clue, but that's what it feels like to me.18:09
dotblankTried looking at nvnews forum?18:10
CyberkillaI have, yes.18:10
CyberkillaI couldn't find anything that applied to me.18:10
dotblankhmm18:10
Cyberkillait seems as if I'm the only one reporting the issue, but I have a standard installation.18:10
CyberkillaI haven't done anything special.18:11
dotblankIf you are really keen on getting to work i would reinstall karmic from scratch and just install 185 off the bat18:11
dotblankhow is your laptop?18:11
dotblankold*18:11
Cyberkilla2 years18:13
CyberkillaI'd rather not reinstall, expectially to an Alpha18:13
CyberkillaI have home on a separate partition18:13
Cyberkillajust in case, but i prefer to avoid it18:14
dotblankyou could try as a last step. uninstalling the repo drivers and installing the one from nvidia's site.. install the pkg2 version18:15
CyberkillaHmm, I might try that.18:19
CyberkillaIt still kinda defeats the object though.18:19
CyberkillaIt should work with the one in the repositories.18:19
CyberkillaIf I could find someone with the same hardware, I could determine whether it is an issue on my end.18:19
_UsUrPeR_Is there anyone in here able to talk to me about the new Karmic Intel drivers? Specifically, the tweak used for atoms? Specifically pertaining to the LVDS tweak?18:20
Bauldricki'm in need of some help, on kubuntu-netbook, can login, but don't get desktop, just a black screen18:20
CyberkillaI'll get out of the way though, because my problem is temporarily resolved. I will wait until next month before trying the latest drivers.18:20
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CyberkillaThanks anyway, dotblank;)18:21
dotblankCyberkilla, np18:21
x1250wow, installing kde makes fonts in firefox SOOO UGLY!18:31
x1250hapilly this can be fixed removing ~/.fonts.conf18:32
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mac_vbjsnider: in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf ,why does every thing have ";" is that used instead of "#" are they commented out or ?18:41
bjsniderwhy ask me?18:41
mac_vhehe , hmm... i thought i remembered you as saying something about that , sorry18:42
mac_vbjsnider: ^18:42
Bauldrickhow do i go about disabling kernel modesetting?18:49
RagnarokAngelAlright, I have a question about my audio18:55
bjsnideri can almost guarantee you the answer is "make sure you're using the latest pulseaudio"18:56
RagnarokAngelwell the thing is that my sound works great, just fine, through just about everything, system, rhythmbox, firefox18:56
RagnarokAngelbut banshee isn't playing anything.18:56
RagnarokAngeland the latest version of pulse would be test6, correct?18:58
bjsniderrhythmbox and banshee both use gstreamer as the backend18:58
bjsnidermaybe it's specific to banshee, the problem18:59
DanaGhmm, try opening gstreamer-properties.18:59
DanaGShould be set to Auto or Pulseaudio.18:59
RagnarokAngelset to auto19:00
bjsniderhit the test button19:00
bjsniderdoes it playeth sound?19:01
RagnarokAngelyes19:01
RagnarokAngelit's only banshee i'm getting problems with19:01
bjsnideri would say you have a banshee bug19:01
RagnarokAngelsound works for the same files in rhythm box19:01
RagnarokAngelexcellent...19:01
RagnarokAngelalright19:01
RagnarokAngelonto my next audio issue then...19:01
bjsnideri wonder if it shows up in pavucontrol when you're trying to play something thru it19:01
RagnarokAngelAudacity is doing really strange things when I try to import audio, says somethign about the ffmpeg files not found, then I search and it finds them just fine19:02
RagnarokAngelbjsnider: it does not show up in pavucontrol19:02
bjsniderwell that's funny19:02
bjsnideralmost like it's forgotten to talk to gstreamer at all19:02
RagnarokAngelyeah19:03
RagnarokAngelI purged banshee and reinstalled19:03
RagnarokAngelno change19:03
RagnarokAngelwhich is so weird because it worked the other day just fine...19:03
RagnarokAngelI've just been having amazing luck with audio issues19:05
RagnarokAngelmy bluetooth headset pairs but is not found in my devices by pavucontrol19:05
RagnarokAngelaudacity decides that importing audio is the devil19:06
RagnarokAngelbanshee has gone awal19:06
mapethelp, apt-get is broken after the last update19:26
mapetis there a solution already?19:26
blueyedI have no sound with Pulseaudio.. pacmd and then "list-sinks" displays only "name: <auto_null>" as sink. I guess that's the issue, all sound being sunk to "null".. known issue?19:33
RagnarokAngelexcellent20:07
RagnarokAngelthe reboot fixed VLC20:07
RagnarokAngel*sigh* still no banshee20:07
kaddihmm... my kde is still broken. :/ it crashes at boot, when I start it with startx everything loads except plasma, I even get desktop effects20:08
RagnarokAngelare you running jaunty?20:09
kaddino karmic20:09
RagnarokAngelI tried to sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop in karmic20:09
RagnarokAngeland it broke20:09
RagnarokAngelI think they broke something in the package20:09
kaddiit was working real fine till 3 days ago.. the updates broke something20:09
RagnarokAngelI couldn't get kubuntu-desktop to even install20:09
kaddiwhen did you try? there were some broken packages 3 days ago, but they have been fixed by now I think20:10
RagnarokAngelthe other day...20:10
RagnarokAngelyesterday?20:10
RagnarokAngelmaybe the day before20:10
bjsniderRagnarokAngel, try wiping out your local banshee config files20:11
blueyedNow that I'20:12
RagnarokAngelbjsnider: I did that20:12
RagnarokAngelbjsnider: and I purged banshee20:12
blueyedve purge everything pulseaudio related, still only KDE apps have sound, e.g. amarok, but not e.g. lastm20:13
RagnarokAngelbjsnider: I think banshee has a bug...20:13
bjsnidertry it fromt he command line and see if it spits out any error info20:19
RagnarokAngelbanshee doesn't really run through the command line... It runs and then it spits me to another line and banshee keeps running.20:19
RagnarokAngeloh wait20:19
RagnarokAngelnow it's displaying output in the command line20:20
RagnarokAngelbt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111)20:20
RagnarokAngelbt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111)20:20
RagnarokAngel[Error 15:20:12.917] GStreamer resource error: OpenWrite20:20
bjsnideryeah so it can't talk to gstreamer20:21
RagnarokAngelany reason that could happen?20:21
bjsniderversion mismatch maybe?20:21
bjsnidertry googling it20:21
kaddiIf I wanted to try reinstall kde completely, how would I go about this best? remove and install kubuntu-desktop?20:22
RagnarokAngelkaddi: I would think so20:22
giovaniwhy would you do that?20:22
kaddiRagnarokAngel: I had some bad experience with ubuntu-desktop that took care of 3 packages on my system, leaving everything else behind... :/20:22
giovanithat's a metapackage that includes EVERYTHING on your desktop20:22
kaddigiovani: hoping to reinstall kde completely and fix the crash I'm experiencing20:23
giovanikaddi: apt-get remove kde-window-manager20:23
kaddithanks :) I'll try that and see how things go..20:23
bjsniderremoving kubuntu-desktop will not remove kde or anything else20:24
bjsnidermetapackages do not work in reverse20:24
kaddibjsnider: that explains why ubuntu-desktop failed on me :p20:25
RagnarokAngelthat's true20:25
RagnarokAngelI forgot20:25
RagnarokAngelI tried removing kubuntu-desktop and it didn't work.20:25
ReaperFromHellhey there! Could anyonde help me out? i'm having some trouble mounting my external drive as non-root. I'm using Karmic Alpha4 fully updated.20:25
ReaperFromHellThanks in advance20:25
bjsniderthe kde stuff would have to be removed manually package by package20:25
giovanibjsnider: kde-window-manager is the main kde package, afaik20:26
RagnarokAngelwell you can get most of it in a few commands20:26
giovanieverything else is add-on apps20:26
RagnarokAngelremove kde-*20:26
RagnarokAngeland20:26
RagnarokAngelhmmm20:26
RagnarokAngelwhat was the other one...20:26
giovanikdm?20:26
giovanikde used to be the main package before karmic20:27
giovaninow it's kde-window-manager20:27
kaddiat boot the first thing that crashes is kdmgreet, then when trying to generate an error log it's kbuildsycoca. I located kbuildsycoca in kdebase-workspace-bin, but reinstalling that one didn't help20:28
JeruvyReaperFromHell: is it not mounting?  Or is it just a permission problem?20:28
kaddiand reinstalling kde-window-manager didn't help either20:28
giovanikaddi: well that's not surprising -- I mean, reinstalling a package doesn't usually fix anything20:29
ReaperFromHelli'm guessing a permission problem although i have the user option in fstab20:29
giovaniunless the package originally had errors when installing20:29
kaddigiovani: actually I thought/think that it's a dependency problem, which is why I was looking into reinstalling all of kde packages, so they sure match20:29
giovaniwhy would the dependencies have gotten mis-installed?20:30
JeruvyReaperFromHell: have you tried sudo chown 'user:group' /dev/media/external ?20:31
kaddigiovani: because I updated during the glitch with the kdebase-workspace-data package. (13 was announced/expected, only 12 could be foud) and since then I can't run kde anymore20:31
ReaperFromHellOMG Jeruvy that did it! :D20:32
JeruvyReaperFromHell: cool, so it was just an ownership issue, keep in mind if you remove it it may need to be 'owned' again.20:32
ReaperFromHellJeruvy: i was going to ask you exactly that! is there a way to automate that? or some kind of workaround?20:33
kaddigiovani: and mostly because I can't really think of any other reason, why it would be broken, or how to troubleshoot it. Just wanted to try reinstalling kde as a last fix before giving up20:33
JeruvyI'm sure someone can advise better than I on a more permanent solution if thats a problem.   My only suggestion isn't very good, but copy that to a script and run it when needed should do the trick20:34
JeruvyReaperFromHell: ^^20:34
ReaperFromHellbah...20:36
ReaperFromHelloh well at least now i know what was causing the problem! :P20:36
ReaperFromHellthanks once again Jeruvy20:37
ReaperFromHello/20:37
JeruvyReaperFromHell: cheers20:39
ReaperFromHellJeruvy: would adding myself to the disk group help in any way?20:39
ReaperFromHellxD20:39
Jeruvyyep20:39
ReaperFromHellwell i might try that! :)20:41
ReaperFromHellJeruvy: i'm guessing i must reboot/logout for the group changes to take effect no?20:47
yoasifim having an issue with cpan installing Catalyst::Authentication::Credential::OpenID20:50
yoasifit fails tests20:50
yoasifanyone have any ideas?20:50
buckyyoasif, just a guess but maybe you need other modules like the ones in libcatalyst-modules-perl or libcatalyst-modules-extra-perl20:55
JeruvyReaperFromHell: just a logout should do the trick.  Sorry for the delay, I'm beating a server to death atm :)20:55
yoasifinstalled those bucky20:55
buckyhmm..20:55
ReaperFromHellJeruvy: no problem... i'll do it as soon as this damn download finishes! :P20:56
DanaGweird... my xorg broke just today, somehow.20:57
DanaGDOesn't work with fglrx, radeon, fbdev, or even vesa.20:57
yoasifbucky, "yoasif" at 217.168.144.84 pasted "issue installing Catalyst::Authentication::Credential::OpenID" (132 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/3299620:57
buckyyoasif, is it version 0.04 ?21:02
yoasifbucky, dont worry about it -- asked some catalyst guys on irc.perl.org and they said they are working on it and to do a force install21:02
buckyok21:02
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frandavid100hiya21:05
buckyayih21:05
frandavid100do you guys know how to launch gnome-shell in karmic?21:05
kaddihmm.. so anyone has a suggestion what I could try to get kde back to working? At boot kdmgreet crashes with a segfault and whne I try to start it manually kbuildsycoca crashes with a segfault :/21:06
buckyfrandavid100, type gnome-terminal  in a term21:07
kaddiBut using startx from tty2, I get a lot of segfaults, but I get everything except plasma loaded...21:07
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buckyfrandavid100, or Applications=>Accessories=>Terminal21:07
frandavid100bucky: gnome-terminal? surely you mean gnome-shell?21:07
buckyfrandavid100, /usr/bin/gnome-terminal21:08
frandavid100ok21:08
frandavid100what command should I run from there?21:08
buckyyou don't have it in your menus ^^21:09
frandavid100bucky: alright, did it21:09
jetsaredimwhat's the new bug reporting tool?21:09
kaddiapport? or ubuntu-bug maybe?21:10
jetsaredimu-b21:10
geniiIronically enough apport itself keeps crashing on me21:13
kaddihehe, drkonqui is crashing when trying to report a bug for me too... but then everything seems to be crashing ;)21:13
jetsaredimis there any way to install vlc without dragging all of X with it?21:14
BUGabundoboas21:14
jetsaredimi just want to use it for its transcoding21:15
DanaGvlc-nox21:16
kaddiis there an easy way to uninstall kde4.3 from karmic?21:16
giovanikaddi: the package name I provided you earlier should be the parent kde package21:18
kaddigiovani: kde-window-manager only removed that one package and left all others intact21:18
giovanithat's because that's how debian/ubuntu work21:19
giovaniyou need to use deborphan21:19
giovanito remove the no-longer-depended-on packages21:19
giovanior I think aptitute tries to do this for you21:19
x1250kde-window-manager? :S, naah, try some libraries21:21
AlanBellevening all21:21
AlanBellat the moment openerp-server doesn't install because of a dependency on python-xml21:22
AlanBelldebian have a newer version of openerp-server than karmic21:22
bjsniderdoesn't karmic have python-xml?21:23
AlanBellhttp://packages.debian.org/source/sid/openerp-server 5.0.3 vs 5.0.1 in karmic21:23
AlanBellno python-xml is dropped from karmic21:23
AlanBelland was broken anyway21:23
bjsniderwhat does the debian package depend on?21:23
AlanBelllibxml221:24
AlanBellor python-lxml21:25
x1250kaddi, try: sudo aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data ~n"kde*"21:25
AlanBellhttp://packages.debian.org/sid/openerp-server link to the binary package info21:25
AlanBellwhat is the process to get the package updated from Debian?21:25
bjsnideryou file a bug and make it a packaging request21:27
ActionParsnipyo yo yo21:29
bjsniderit should be pretty easy assuming it's not a massive package21:30
AlanBellok, will do21:30
ActionParsnipis there a menu replacement in karmic to replace the ubuntu menu21:32
phoenixzHi there, I want to upgrade my kubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 alpha4 (or anythihng newer than that..) Where can I find repositories?21:33
ActionParsnipphoenixz: sudo update-manager -d21:33
phoenixzActionParsnip: thanks, just found it on the site as well21:34
ActionParsnipphoenixz: if you want the full benefit of ext4 you must format21:39
geniiCan tune2fs be used for ext3 -> ext4 conversion?21:43
phoenixzActionParsnip: My HD is already ext4, I already upgraded on that one :)21:44
ActionParsnipif its not a new partition made in ext4 then its not getting the full benefits of ext421:45
ActionParsnipconverting ext3 to ext4 only gets half the benefits21:45
x1250people should be aware of EXT4 data loss troubles before migrating to EXT421:46
AlanBellbjsnider: bug 418862 does that look ok?21:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 418862 in openerp-server "please sync openerp-server (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41886221:48
BUGabundox1250: AFAIK kernels .30 and up have all those fixed21:48
BUGabundoits not any more danger then ext321:48
bjsniderlooks fine to me21:49
x1250BUGabundo, not for me, lost data with data=ordered, two times.21:49
x1250data=journal fixed the issue for me, but is noticeably slower...21:50
DanaGhmm, the -7 kernel is rather broken for me, too... Xorg just hard-locks under that kernel.21:55
edgyHi, I lost the sound after the latest updates! any one else?21:56
edgythis is in kubuntu, I would logout and try ubuntu, may be I don't encounter it ...22:02
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kaddiI'm back in business :D purged the kdelibs, reinstalled kubuntu-desktop, everything works fine now. :)22:25
geniiFor some reason gparted reports different partition info for me than fdisk.22:26
giovanigenii: such as?22:27
geniifdisk reports the partition layout as it was prior to shrinking and moving my Vista partition. gparted reports the actual partition info as the drive is really being used22:28
geniigiovani: ^22:28
giovanioh boy, "shrinking"22:29
giovaninever a good way to start22:29
giovaniyou sure that the paritions are actually shunk, and not just the filesystems?22:29
geniigiovani: Yes22:30
giovaniwhat did you use to "resize" your partitions?22:30
geniigiovani: I removed the diagnostics partitions at beginning and end of drive, moved the ntfs (Vista) to start of disc and shrunk it to 80Gb from 16022:31
geniigiovani: I used gparted to do the resizing22:31
giovanimaybe it wrote a GPT to the disk?22:32
giovaniand fdisk is reading the MBR22:32
geniiHere is the fdisk paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/259512/ and I'll get a gparted shot in a minute22:32
giovaniPartition table entries are not in disk order22:33
giovaniit says clearly22:33
geniihttp://i27.tinypic.com/35mf9cw.png  is the gparted shot22:35
aboSamoorstart application omit any switch passed to the program in the command line ? I am trying to run transmission at startup minimized by using -m switch and every time the start up applications omit the -m part ! any idea ?!22:35
geniigiovani: Sure the entries are not in order. I don't care about the order. But it shows on fdisk for instance the Compaq diagnostics partition that i deleted22:36
giovanigenii: yeah, it looks like the parition table is crap22:37
giovani"resizing" often leads to bad stuff22:37
giovani/dev/sda3           20643       20643        8032+  82  Linux swap / Solaris22:37
giovani/dev/sda3           20643       20643        8032+  82  Linux swap / Solaris22:37
giovanithat's concerning22:37
BUGabundo!ping22:38
ubottuping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore22:38
geniigiovani: Any way you can think of to sync the two so fdisk reports what gparted reports? (the gparted layout is what I'm actually using)22:41
* knittl is away: Gone away for now22:46
aboSamoordid anyone notice the u1.com/notes section that can be updated by tomboy ?!22:46
RagnarokAngelMy webcam isn't being recognized in cheese anymore -- worked fine with Jaunty22:54
BUGabundoRagnarokAngel: lots of changes on kernel .3122:54
BUGabundowe changed gspca and it broke a lot of web cams22:54
BUGabundonew drivers required22:55
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: uh huh, so if I *need* my camera working, what can I do?22:55
BUGabundoI got mine back, this weekend too :)22:55
BUGabundoRagnarokAngel: bride a gspca dev to fix it ??22:55
BUGabundoeheh22:55
BUGabundobetter check with upstream dev for your web cam driver22:55
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: or if I need a temporary fix I could install the old kernel, right?22:55
BUGabundonope22:56
RagnarokAngelwhat? why not?22:56
BUGabundowill break dkms and alsa/pa22:56
RagnarokAngelexcellent.22:57
RagnarokAngelmy girlfriend is going to be pissed.22:57
BUGabundoeheheh22:57
BUGabundoohh anna22:57
bjsniderwhy did u upgrade then?22:57
BUGabundoaudiom I think22:57
RagnarokAngelbjsnider: because my headphones don't work w/ Jaunty22:57
RagnarokAngelbjsnider: It seems no matter what I do I'm breaking something...22:58
bjsnideryour headphones22:58
aboSamoorcan anyone test if the Startup Application omit the switches from the command line ?22:58
RagnarokAngelbjsnider: yeah, my headphone jack doesn't recognize when I plug them in. I subbed a bug report, but they said to test in Karmic... Lots of stuff was working alright so I just upgraded22:59
dtchenthey being me, probably.23:00
bjsniderdtchen, did you fix your lbm problem?23:00
dtchenwhich lbm problem?23:01
bjsniderthe one you had last night23:01
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bjsnidersorry, lvm23:02
dtchenno, been at work all day and am just starting to look23:02
dtchenit's pretty clearly in the Ubuntu sauce; my gut feeling is the KSM merge23:03
karl_hey i just install alpha 4 and need some help23:03
* knittl is back.23:03
dtchenneither the mainline 2.6.31-rc7 nor the most current c-o-d build exhibit the problem23:03
RagnarokAngelso BUGabundo there's really nothing I can do unless I liveCD jaunty?23:03
karl_um basically i cant change my screen resoluttion from 800x60023:03
RagnarokAngelkarl_: you tried xrandr?23:03
karl_no23:04
karl_no idea what it is23:04
RagnarokAngelkarl_: type xrandr into your command prompt and see what it kicks back at you23:04
karl_Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 800 x 600, maximum 4096 x 409623:04
karl_VGA1 connected 800x600+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm   800x600        60.3*    640x480        59.923:04
karl_thats the message back23:05
karl_i have a  Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller23:05
RagnarokAngelHmmm, looks like something broke with their detection23:05
BUGabundosome one needs to teach you about pastebin :(23:05
BUGabundokarl_: first, pleae run update-manager to get all updates23:05
karl_sry forgot still new with irc23:05
BUGabundoalpha4 is OLD23:05
karl_ok23:06
BUGabundo!paste > karl_23:06
ubottukarl_, please see my private message23:06
RagnarokAngelkarl_: you can use xrandr to manually set your vid settings...23:06
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: According to the main ubuntu chat you're fine for pasting in as long as it's below 4 lines of code23:06
RagnarokAngelwhich his was23:06
BUGabundoRagnarokAngel: he is new to this. don't mess with his head23:06
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: what's wrong with giving him the *real* rules!?23:07
BUGabundoRagnarokAngel: talking about xrandr !!!!!23:07
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: so? xrandr will get his problem fixed?23:07
BUGabundohe is no longer here23:07
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: probably got his problem fixed is why :-p23:08
bjsniderthere is a gui for xrandr23:08
BUGabundoor crashed X23:08
RagnarokAngelbjsnider: is there?23:08
BUGabundokarl1: welcome back23:08
karl1sorry xchat is horrible had to dl pidgion23:08
RagnarokAngellol23:08
BUGabundos/pidgion/pidgin/ LOLOLOL23:08
BUGabundoseems to not work either23:08
BUGabundoahahaahah23:08
karl1arrg23:09
BUGabundodude23:09
karl1sry23:09
BUGabundoyou are making us look sily23:09
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: xrandr fixed my screen issues. Sort of.23:09
karl1but i ran update manager and it says not all updates can be installed23:09
bjsniderkarl1, look in System>Preferences>Display23:10
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: so where do I report my webcam is broken?23:10
BUGabundokarl1: yeah that's like that today23:10
BUGabundosomething is holding back a few libs23:10
BUGabundojust do regular updates, and don't force it, ok?23:10
alteregoaburp23:10
karl1Bugabundo: im downloading the updates now then23:10
BUGabundook23:10
BUGabundoRagnarokAngel: $ ubuntu-bug linux23:11
alteregoai use the realtime preemption kernel23:11
BUGabundobut its not OUR prob23:11
karl1bjsnider: what should i look for in display23:11
BUGabundoits the gcpa23:11
* genii makes more coffee23:11
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: if I downgrade to the .30 kernel, will everything work for now?23:11
bjsniderkarl1, change your screen resolution23:11
karl1bjsnider: no other option other then 800x60023:11
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: or will my pulse/alsa still be busted to hell?23:11
BUGabundoRagnarokAngel: yep23:12
BUGabundosame as jaunty kernel23:12
BUGabundoall hell will break loose23:12
alteregoawine has a much lower latency compared to windows, thats fnordastic23:12
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: I'm screwed, in short?23:12
BUGabundoit takes a lot of dtchen work to make kernel and PA work nice23:12
BUGabundono23:12
BUGabundoyou just have to get it fixed23:12
BUGabundoits not that bad23:12
BUGabundomost drivers already are23:12
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: i'm screwed for a webchat *tonight*23:12
BUGabundothat's the idea of testing devel version23:13
BUGabundoso you can make sure your HW and SW works on final release23:13
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: yes, which is why I decided to help test23:13
BUGabundowell, unless your dev is really quick coder, yeah you are :)23:13
bjsniderkarl1, what ist he native resolution of that monitor?23:13
alteregoawhat size?23:13
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: *sigh* time to bake a usb drive w/ jaunty...23:13
alteregoai use crt23:13
BUGabundoRagnarokAngel: look on LP, and upstream for the person doing the work23:14
alteregoathere are no natives or indigenous peoples on the screen23:14
BUGabundomaybe its even fixed already23:14
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: Anna will be extra mad if we can't get some webcam working later...23:14
karl1bjsnider: not sure its a 15inch lcd made by lg model number is flatron l1520B and ihave had much high resolutions then 800X60023:14
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: how would I be able to know if it's already fixed?23:14
alteregoa1024x76823:14
karl1also ubuntu says its an unknow monitor23:14
alteregoacause its 15"23:14
karl1oo ok23:14
bjsniderwell, run all of the graphics driver updates and so forth23:14
alteregoaits 4:3 or 16:9?23:15
RagnarokAngelkarl1: you can manually set your resolution using xrandr....23:15
alteregoaerr 16:10?23:15
karl1iv got no options in restricted drivers23:15
bjsniderthere's no restricted intel graphcis driver23:15
LLStarksany chance at fontconfig 2.7.1 making karmic23:16
karl1RagnarokAngel: will xrandr be able to make it the default resolution for everything ie login screen etc23:16
karl1its 4:323:16
RagnarokAngelkarl1: uhm. If you manually set your config file, I believe so...23:16
RagnarokAngelkarl1: i'm more finding a fix for now, and submit to the devs to be able to get it fixed for everyone.23:16
RagnarokAngeloh and BUGabundo my banshee isn't playing nice w/ gstreamer anymore.23:17
RagnarokAngelI feel a mono hate discussion brewing...23:17
kaddiwhat version of mono comes with karmic anyway?23:17
BUGabundosent bugs on it?23:17
BUGabundo!info mono23:17
kadditrue23:18
karl1RagnarokAngel : well im gona do a full update and then see if mabye that fixes my issue23:18
ubottuPackage mono does not exist in karmic23:18
BUGabundo!search mono23:18
ubottuFound: mono, code, vcs23:18
dtchen2.4.2.323:18
BUGabundohey arand23:18
BUGabundowho would tough dtchen would be a nice bot :)23:18
kaddihehe23:18
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: so I need to report my bug...23:19
BUGabundoyep23:19
BUGabundoand look for the driver mantainer23:20
RagnarokAngelwow23:20
BUGabundothat's the CRUCIAL part23:20
RagnarokAngel$ubuntu-bug linux is giving me an error.23:20
BUGabundo_we_ won't fix it, unless its fixed upstream23:20
BUGabundobeing kernel and all23:20
BUGabundoLOLOL23:20
BUGabundoWFM23:20
RagnarokAngelThe problem cannot be reported: This is not a genuine Ubuntu package23:21
BUGabundotry $ apport-cli -fp linux23:21
RagnarokAngel...23:21
RagnarokAngelriiiiiiiight23:21
BUGabundoLOLOLOLOLOL23:21
BUGabundowhat darn kernel do you have?23:21
RagnarokAngelwhatever came in the update?!23:21
RagnarokAngelwhat's the command to check23:21
RagnarokAngelI keep forgetting23:21
kaddiuname -a23:21
hggdhanyone having problems shutting down 2.26.31-7?23:22
RagnarokAngelLinux ra-ubuntubox 2.6.31-020631rc6-generic #020631rc6 SMP Fri Aug 14 09:43:40 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux23:22
RagnarokAngelWTF!?23:22
RagnarokAngelThere's a 7th1?23:22
hggdhyes23:22
dtchenhggdh: yes, known issue.23:22
RagnarokAngelWhy don't I have it?23:22
BUGabundoRagnarokAngel: That's not OUR kernel23:22
dtchenRagnarokAngel: you're running the mainline build of 2.6.31-rc623:22
hggdhbecause you will not be able to shutdown on it...23:22
BUGabundoLinux BluBUG 2.6.31-6-generic #26-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 21 17:55:00 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux23:22
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: ok, so my kernel *is* the supported one?23:23
RagnarokAngelhggdh: good reason.23:23
hggdhRagnarokAngel, no, your kernel is *not* the supported one23:23
dtchenRagnarokAngel: no, that's the UNsupported mainline 2.6.31-rc7 build, as i said above23:23
BUGabundohggdh: Power OFF ?? lol23:23
BUGabundopull the cord23:23
RagnarokAngel...23:23
RagnarokAngelwhy can't I report a bug?23:23
BUGabundoRagnarokAngel: try running karmic kernl23:23
hggdhBUGabundo, not on a laptop, it does not work23:24
BUGabundono idea why you aren't23:24
BUGabundohggdh: everything has a powercord23:24
BUGabundo*everything*23:24
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: why don't I have the regular kernel1?23:24
BUGabundoeven life support machines :D23:24
hggdhRagnarokAngel, you cannot report a bug on this kernel because it is *not* an Ubuntu kernel23:24
BUGabundoRagnarokAngel: you tell me23:24
BUGabundohggdh: well tecnly it is23:24
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: I didn't run any kernel update stuff.23:24
BUGabundoits just not a karmic or archive on23:24
BUGabundo*one23:24
RagnarokAngelhggdh: how do I get to the regular ubuntu kernel then?23:24
BUGabundodidn't you get it for jaunty ?23:25
BUGabundoand never removed it ?23:25
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: oh, that might be it...23:25
BUGabundoits an higher version, so its bootting from thatr23:25
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: so do I need to manually tell it to boot from the supported one?23:25
BUGabundopurge it, and try karmic one23:25
BUGabundoOr REMOVE THIS23:25
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: alright, what command should purge *that* kernel23:25
hggdhafter, of course, making sure you do have an alternate kernel ;-)23:26
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: I don't want to completely F*** my install.23:26
BUGabundohggdh: eheheheheeheheheheheh23:26
kaddihggdh good thinking :p23:26
BUGabundohggdh: boot to the regular kernel 1st, see if everything works (webcam included)23:26
BUGabundogo to synaptic and remove the ppa version23:26
RagnarokAngelBUGabundo: shouldn't that message be to me?23:26
hggdhRagnarokAngel, open synaptic, and search for 2.26.31-623:26
BUGabundoRagnarokAngel: no, it was for hggdh23:27
BUGabundoohh the last on23:27
BUGabundoyeah that one was23:27
BUGabundololol23:27
RagnarokAngelthank you.23:27
hggdhthen install the respective kernel headers, and (whatever) kernel for your hardware23:27
BUGabundook' I'm too tired23:27
hggdhthen boot it23:27
BUGabundokeep eating the 'e' on one23:27
BUGabundogonna go offline and watch Eureka23:27
hggdhif everything is kosher, go back in synaptic, and remove the mainstream kernel23:27
BUGabundobye23:27
RagnarokAngelsearching in synaptic for 2.26... didn't work23:27
karl1ok i updated fully and still having the same issue23:28
RagnarokAngelI still have the debs laying around23:28
RagnarokAngelcan I remove using those?23:28
RagnarokAngelhggdh: searching synaptic is returning no results23:30
hggdhRagnarokAngel, sorry, search for version 2.6.31-623:30
hggdhnot .26.23:30
RagnarokAngelhggdh: what's the standard kernel I *should* have for today's Karmic?23:31
hggdh2.6.31-6.2623:32
RagnarokAngelhggdh: ok I have that installed.... I should be looking to remove the one that I get from uname -a, correct?23:33
RagnarokAngelhggdh: I need to report a bug for my webcam, so I have to be running the regular kernel23:34
hggdhRagnarokAngel, correct. You might want to boot on 2.6.31-6 to be sure your system still works, *then* remove the mainline one23:34
hggdhRagnarokAngel, also correct for the bug23:34
karl1hey does karmic not have an xorg anymore?23:34
RagnarokAngelhggdh: alright, I'll be right back then...23:34
hggdhgood luck23:35
karl1where is it located etc/x11?23:35
hggdhunder /etc/X1123:35
hggdhat least mine is here23:35
karl1i dont have an xorg fiel23:36
hggdhkarl1, what xorg file? You mean xorg.conf?23:36
karl1yea23:36
hggdhnot good23:36
karl1was gona try and mess around with it to see if i can change my resolution issue23:37
karl1but i dont seem to have it23:37
kaddiyou do not need a xorg.conf, but you can simply create one23:37
hggdhkarl1, you probable hit the wrong button ;-) use this for a template: http://pastebin.com/f2c24537923:37
hggdhand kaddi is correct, anyway23:37
RagnarokAngelHeck yes. Webcam works with the mainstream kernels23:38
kaddihehe23:38
RagnarokAngelNow, to delete this funky one that it keeps trying to boot me into...23:38
RagnarokAngelif I've got the debs23:38
RagnarokAngelhmm23:38
RagnarokAngeldpkg should have a way to delete these suckers en masse, right?23:39
karl1hggdh: what should i do just create the file using the one u put on paste bin?23:39
hggdhkarl1, yes, this is pretty much the default one23:39
hggdhRagnarokAngel, just go to synaptic, and delete them there23:39
karl1ok i just see u have fglrx23:39
karl1i think id be intel right23:40
hggdhkarl1, no, I do not -- it is commented out23:40
hggdhxorg will dynamically find the correct video driver. Most of the times, at least23:40
RagnarokAngelhggdh: excellent. Now I'm getting SERIOUS sound skipping...23:40
hggdhRagnarokAngel, perfect. Now... time to report the bug ;-)23:41
RagnarokAngelhggdh: should I try out the -7 kernel?23:41
hggdhRagnarokAngel, you can, as long as you accept powering off your machine via the power button (the kernel shutdown is hanging)23:42
karl1lets see what happens23:42
RagnarokAngelhggdh: That's fine by me23:42
hggdhgo for it, then :-)23:42
RagnarokAngel....23:43
RagnarokAngeloh ok everything I clicked just happened23:43
RagnarokAngeljust took a minute23:43
RagnarokAngelhggdh: and what do I do about my bluetooth headset pairing and not being available as a device?23:44
alteregoahe's a queen23:44
RagnarokAngelhggdh: I've subbed a bug for this, but I'm hoping that there's some what I can fix it...23:44
alteregoayyyyeah23:45
alteregoai got a error23:45
RagnarokAngelalright, and now to test out the -7 kernel...23:46
RagnarokAngelbrb again23:46
alteregoaok now following advice to you develdoper23:48
legend2440jaunty uses the nvidia 180 driver. what version does karmic include?23:48
alteregoaif you open unmounted disks, you see it on the nautilus computer tab23:48
hggdhlegend2440, you can go to http://packages.ubuntu.com, and search for it23:48
alteregoajust add a functionality in this tab called (automount each start)23:49
legend2440hggdh: ok thanks23:49
alteregoabecause the average user is not able to edit fstab!23:49
alteregoadont make that crap to complex for average peoples thanks mister developer of software23:49
RagnarokAngelwell -7 breaks my webcam support again *sigh*23:50
RagnarokAngeloh wait23:51
RagnarokAngelI lied23:51
RagnarokAngelworking now23:51
hggdhalteregoa, can you please open a bug with your request? Complaining here will not help much23:51
RagnarokAngelhggdh: THANKS! I got everything I need working!!!23:52
RagnarokAngelhggdh: you're my hero!23:52
hggdhRagnarokAngel, heh. I finally get to be a hero...23:52
arandalteregoa: there's always python disk manager (correct name?) For a somewhat more graphical way of doing automounts...23:52
RagnarokAngelbanshee and mplayer aren't doing audio playback now...23:53
RagnarokAngelso23:53
RagnarokAngelI'm sure I should file a bug for that23:53
RagnarokAngelrhythmbox and vlc work fine though23:53
RagnarokAngelso23:53
RagnarokAngelNO idea wtf that is all about...23:53

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