[09:21] <mac_v> dashua: hi... is it possible to use 2 engines for 1 widget?
[09:22] <mac_v> like for instance i dont like how murrine focusses the buttons , can i use clearlooks only for button focus? while the rest use murrine?
[10:04] <kwwii> mac_v: for each entry in the gtkrc you can use a different engine
[10:04] <mac_v> kwwii: \o/ hi... back?
[10:06] <mac_v> kwwii: hmm... i'm messing up something then! i'm trying to use a pix map for the Focus , but either it uses pixmap engine or the murrine! i'll try to check where it is wrong
[10:16] <kwwii> mac_v: nope, still on vacation, you just got lucky ;)
[10:16] <kwwii> hrm, it might be the case that within one widget it cannot use more than one engine
[10:17] <kwwii> I am working on my mac atm so I can't check
[10:17] <mac_v> lol ;)
[10:17] <mac_v> yeah thougth so too... but i'll double check
[12:36] <dashua> mac_v, Yes, change notebook engine "clearlooks" {}
[12:38] <dashua> Ah wait you want focus on the outside of the button
[12:44] <mac_v> dashua: actually what i want is to use a pixmap for the focus alone , > http://paste.ubuntu.com/259252/ , but which ever is the second engine becomes the one used for everything :(
[12:48] <mac_v> dashua: where can i find documentation for murrine engine?
[12:49] <dashua> I don't think you can combine two engines like that within a class.
[12:49] <mac_v> yeah :(
[12:49] <dashua> So you want to use the murrine button with a pixmap focus entry
[12:50] <mac_v> yup
[12:50] <dashua> http://www.cimitan.com/murrine/
[12:50] <dashua> Somewhere on his site, I think it's limited
[12:51] <mac_v> i went through that but >  http://www.cimitan.com/murrine/options was all i found :(
[12:55] <mac_v> dashua: let me know if you get any ideas for assigning a pix map for focus alone :)
[12:55] <dashua> Ok np.
[13:06] <dashua> mac_v, Can you send me tarball of your theme?  I have an idea.
[13:06] <mac_v> sure , just a sec
[13:14] <mac_v> dashua: i'm having some problem with archive manager! it keeps crashing , do you want just the gtkrc?
[13:15] <mac_v> or the i think you already have my theme ,
[13:16] <dashua> I wanted the whole theme, pixmap for the focus and all.
[13:17] <mac_v> yeah, someting is messing up my archive manager , i'll try somehow to get it to wirk :)
[13:18] <dashua> Ha alright np.
[13:18] <dashua> You want clearlooks focus on the outside of the button right?
[13:18] <mac_v> dashua: i meant to get the archive manager to work , i have no new ideas for the theme ;p
[13:19] <dashua> I can't find the theme.
[13:19] <mac_v> dashua: i'll get back in a sec... i'll boot int jaunty :)
[13:19] <mac_v> into*
[13:20] <dashua> Ok
[13:20] <lucazade> on karmic  the archive manager is broken, just use "tar czf theme.tar.gz themefolder"
[13:21] <mac_v> lucazade: hm... i'll try that first! too many apps to close ;)
[13:21] <lucazade> :D
[13:24] <dashua> Working ok here.  Maybe 64 bit is good.
[13:30] <mac_v> dashua: its a big mess right now , > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/DSand.tar.gz < needs a lot of cleanup
[13:30] <dashua> Ok
[13:31] <mac_v> dashua: does the archive exist properly? i mean any problems extracting?
[13:31] <mac_v> lucazade: that didnt work for me either :( , but i fooled archive manager by adding files to an already existing archive and removing the existing files ;)
[13:32] <dashua> Nope.  All good.
[13:33] <mac_v> phew , that saved me from closing ~20 windows :D
[13:40] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22874/screenshot_001_9wM2hk.png
[13:40] <dashua> Something like that?
[13:41] <mac_v> dashua: yes but you changed the engine to clearlooks for the regular buttons too
[13:41] <dashua> I think it's packaged deal, unless you hack the engine.
[13:42] <dashua> a*
[13:43] <mac_v> dashua: ah... then i think i'll have to use pix maps for all , hmm... so i'll have to create a button which looks identical to the murrine one o.0
[13:43] <dashua> Yep
[13:44] <mac_v> why cant life be easy :(
[13:44] <dashua> Hehe
[13:44] <dashua> Check out NewWave for pixmap help.  That theme has it all.
[13:45] <mac_v> yeah, everything is a pixmap in new wave , he really did a lot of work
[13:46] <dashua> Sure did.
[13:47] <mac_v> dashua: the xchat users list... it is what type of widget?
[13:47] <dashua> Hrm, not sure.
[14:09] <lucazade> mac_v should be GtkTreeView widget, i suppose
[14:11] <mac_v> lucazade: do you use xchat?
[14:11] <lucazade> yes
[14:13] <mac_v> lucazade: ok , just test this out , any theme with clearlooks will have the user list just display names , but a theme with murrine engine displays dots in front of the names! is that correct or is it a bug in my install?
[14:14] <lucazade> yes murrine displays dots
[14:15] <mac_v> hmm ...
[14:15] <lucazade> seems a bug
[14:16] <mac_v> then i think its not treeview , because i have specifically assigned treeview to clearlooks , :(
[14:16]  * mac_v bangs his head
[14:24] <dashua> mac_v, Add style "treeview" {	engine "clearlooks" {		hint = "treeview"	}}
[14:24] <dashua> and widget_class "*.<GtkTreeView>*" style "treeview"
[14:24] <dashua> The dots will be gone
[14:25] <mac_v> hmm! i was using treeview-header!
[14:25] <mac_v> dashua: thanx :)
[14:25] <dashua> Np
[14:27] <mac_v> \o/ no pox
[14:30] <mac_v> dashua: you wanna propose Hanso for the community themes?
[14:58] <SiDi> I wnt it there
[14:58] <SiDi> and Alvaro too :D
[14:59] <SiDi> in blue shades with an xfwm.. :D
[15:04] <mac_v> SiDi: i think dashua is shy , we should start the initiative ;p
[15:12]  * mac_v surprised at mpt's presence in artwork room ;) hmm... maybe software store ;)
[15:12] <mpt> yes indeed
[15:13] <mac_v> mpt: when can we actually test it ?
[15:13] <mac_v> is is out?
[15:13] <mac_v> it*
[15:13] <mpt> mac_v, it's in Karmic now: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-store
[15:14] <mpt> I'm here because I've just added to the spec <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore> a few things that artists could help out with.
[15:14] <mac_v> i noticed ;)
[15:14] <mpt> At the moment we need an icon for the Store itself (!), an animated icon for "In Progress", and an emblem to place over applications that are already installed.
[15:14]  * mac_v missed the update by 1 hr :( , updating now
[15:15] <mpt> Would it make sense for me to post to the artwork list about those things?
[15:15] <mac_v> mpt: mailing list would be the best start
[15:15] <mpt> ok, ta
[15:18] <andreasn> mpt, process-working for "In Progress" perhaps?
[15:18] <mpt> andreasn, is there any easy way to see how that icon looks in the various themes I have installed?
[15:19] <andreasn> apart from switching between the theme, not that I know of
[15:19] <andreasn> does any other theme apart from High Contrast have a spinner icon?
[15:19] <mpt> well, if it's in the same directory path in each theme, "eog /something/*/something.svg" might work :-)
[15:22] <mac_v> mpt: you can do as you ^ described , just assign the icons intended for the same item to different menu options [i.e label it differently]
[15:23] <mac_v> so if the menu has 5 items you can compare 5 different versions of the icon at once
[15:24] <mpt> but I have no idea where the themes are stored or what their directory structure is
[15:26] <mac_v> mpt: most apps have their icons in ~/.themes/themeName/24x24/apps/  , you need to ask mvo or who wrote the app about the icon labels
[15:27] <mac_v> mpt: oops! ~/.icons/themeName/24x24/apps/
[15:27] <mpt> So all themes are installed in every user's home directory? I doubt that :-)
[15:28] <knome> /usr/share/icons/[theme]/24x24/apps/
[15:28] <mac_v> the custom themes , the main themes are in
[15:28] <mac_v> ^
[15:31] <mpt> ta
[15:31] <mac_v> mpt: sometimes apps also have their own directory , like for example gnome-power-manager has icons in /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons , these icons can be labelled accordingly and be used from a theme in your home directory, you first have to find out from mvo
[15:35] <mpt> got it
[15:36] <mpt> find /usr/share/icons/ -name process-working.png | xargs eog
[15:38] <mpt> andreasn, not really, though I'm having trouble articulating why. It's something like, process-working is for warning you about impending interface changes (e.g. changes in the layout of a Web page) during a brief task. But the icon I want is more about "yes, I'm doing the stuff you asked me to do".
[15:38] <mpt> andreasn, I guess it's much the same reason as why you wouldn't expect to see process-working in a download manager window.
[15:39] <andreasn> ah, yes, I guess it's for more brief processes
[15:40] <andreasn> but I have no idea how such a icon would look
[15:41] <mpt> well, I've described a suggested appearance in the spec, complete with extremely-low-resolution mockup :-)
[15:41] <mpt> t.b.h. I don't think it matters much what it looks like, as long as it looks different from, and more solid than, process-working.
[15:47] <mac_v> mpt: why is it in the universe repo ? and not as a part of the ubuntu-desktop meta package?
[15:48] <mpt> mac_v, it got into Ubuntu in the past day. It hasn't been through MIR yet.
[15:48] <mac_v> hehe...
[18:56] <dashua> mac_v, Do I need to make a wiki page for community theme inclusion?
[18:56] <dashua> Or just have the source code available via Launchpad?
[18:56] <mac_v> dashua: i think so , thorwil might be the best person about this
[18:56] <dashua> If so, I'll work on getting them together.  I have a lot of things going on here.
[18:57] <dashua> Ok, I'm off to work.  If you here anything just ping me.  I'll be home later. :)
[18:57] <dashua> hear*
[18:58] <mac_v> thorwil: how doe a theme get included in community theme package? ^
[18:58] <mac_v> does*
[18:58] <dashua> I would really like Hanso to make it in.  Alvaro as well.
[18:58] <dashua> mac_v, I fixed the OOo bug, if you want to check it out.
[18:59] <thorwil> mac_v: well, it should be on the wiki
[19:00] <mac_v> dashua: ^
[19:00] <thorwil> mac_v: for all else, better ask Andrew
[19:00] <dashua> Ok.  I'll work on it soon.  Thx.
[19:00] <mac_v> dashua: yeah , i did the same OOo mistake in my theme too ;) ,will check it out in a bit have to reboot [updates]
[19:00] <mac_v> thorwil: thanx :)
[19:14] <mac_v> thorwil: hi... are you working on the chasing arrows for software store? if not does it have to be done similar to the gnome process-working?
[19:14] <lucazade> thorwil i would thank you for mentioning turrican for the community themes
[19:15] <mac_v> thorwil: in the sense the number of icons in a single file
[19:15] <thorwil> mac_v: no and no idea
[19:15] <mac_v> hmm...ok.  thanx
[19:16] <thorwil> lucazade: np :)
[19:16] <lucazade> :)
[19:17] <thorwil> mac_v: i will likely start a job tomorrow that might take 3 weeks. so don't expect to see much or anything from me ;)
[19:18] <mac_v> thorwil: great :) on the job .... too bad for me :(
[19:18] <mac_v> ;p
[19:19] <thorwil> heh