[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[15:07] <bddebian> Boo
[15:16] <LimCore> hello
[15:17] <LimCore> When using alsa or pulse, my computer farts quietly instead playing sound
[15:17] <LimCore> since I didnt feed any beans to my computer, but I did upgrade (9.04 amd64) yesterday, I guess this could be related
[15:17] <LimCore> is this a known problem?
[15:18] <LimCore> only /dev/dsp works
[15:24] <LimCore> well, anyway - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/418644
[15:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 418644 in pulseaudio "Ubuntu 9.04 amd64 ALSA and Pulse stoped working after upgrade " [Undecided,New]
[15:35] <LimCore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/418649   this is important, it makes it hard to debug X problems
[15:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 418649 in kdepim "kmail floods .xsession-errors" [Undecided,New]
[15:47] <hggdh> LimCore, please, at least, state what version of kmail and Ubuntu you are running
[16:30] <LimCore> hggdh: as in the bug report, 9.04 amd64, fully up to date... this is obvious?
[16:36] <hggdh> LimCore, I may be missing something, but I see no '9.04' strings in there
[16:36] <hggdh> so, not obvious to me
[16:37] <LimCore> ah, the other bug
[16:37] <LimCore> updated
[16:38] <hggdh> LimCore, thank you
[16:39] <hggdh> LimCore, what about kmail? :-)
[16:55] <LimCore> hggdh: well, kmail floods my .xsession-errors with some bullshit
[16:55] <LimCore> that looks like debug messages
[16:55] <LimCore> unfrotunatelly then log stops working, and I can not see there why my session died (other bug)
[17:08] <hggdh> LimCore, what kmail *version*? You should already know the drill: when opening a bug on a package, do give the versions used.
[17:09] <LimCore> just refresh ;)
[17:10] <LimCore> also, it is the version that is in 9.04 up to date
[17:12] <hggdh> LimCore, yes. Still, it has to be stated. Please do not assume everybody will know and expect the same you do.
[17:59] <lfaraone> Hey, Ubuntu-bug itself is crashing when I run it. How do I set it to verbose/debug mode so I can see what's going on?
[18:08] <bdmurray> lfaraone: are you getting any output when it crashes?
[18:09] <lfaraone> bdmurray: well, it calls firefox, which then crashes.
[18:09] <lfaraone> *firefox then crashes.
[18:10] <lfaraone> bdmurray: I have firefox running in the background. I can start new firefox windows with the "firefox http://someurl" command. But when apport/ubuntu-bug gets to the part where it hands off to firefox it dies with an X error
[18:11] <bdmurray> so, the tab never gets opened by ubuntu-bug?
[18:12] <lfaraone> bdmurray: correct.
[18:12] <lfaraone> bdmurray: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/259380/
[18:13] <lfaraone> bdmurray: odd, the problem just went away.
[18:14] <bdmurray> why are using sudo?
[18:17] <bdmurray> lfaraone: why are you using sudo w/ ubuntu-bug?
[18:18] <lfaraone> bdmurray: well, I had tested it earlier to see if it crashed when run as root or if it was a problem with my local env vars. (my sudo is aliased to clear local variables other than DISPLAY)
[18:18] <lfaraone> bdmurray: it also crashed sans sudo.
[18:46] <mac_v>  hmm... i have a weird problem, when i try to play sound in my user profile i can *not* get sound to play in 2 apps simultaneously , but when i create a new user , sound works fine and i can play several apps simultaneously! how do i solve this?
[18:46] <LimCore> hggdh: can we make kmail quickly to not full xsession-errors, because it stops me from reporting more important errors
[18:50]  * LimCore is tired of users complaining, why you upgraded to 9.04, 8.10 was working better...
[18:51] <LimCore> flash, sound, speed, firefox, all seems to be just worse in 9.04 somehow.  Most of which I reported in bugs btw.  Just observation
[18:53] <LimCore> if something was apprently fixed (it works nowdays, didnt work before,  but we never traced the exact problem), I set status to fix released or invalid?
[19:02] <hggdh> LimCore, it would be Fix Released, unknown fix.
[19:03] <hggdh> LimCore, on the kmail: I do not usually deal with KDE (and do not run kmail), so all I can do here is guarantee the minimum data is available for someone to confirm
[19:05] <hggdh> for the kmail bug, you may try to present your case to the #kubuntu channel
[19:07] <LimCore> thanks
[19:25] <hggdh> re. bug 418773 -- should I close it Invalid, or WONTFIX?
[19:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 418773 in ubuntu "[needs packaging] virtualbox, proprietary" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418773
[19:26]  * micahg was thinking that
[19:26] <hggdh> yeah. I personally think WONTFIX is more to the point, but...
[19:26] <micahg> does the sun license prevent redistribution?
[19:28] <hggdh> well, the licence starts with "This license applies if you download the full VirtualBox binaries from the Downloads page."
[19:28] <hggdh> which can be constructed to mean "you can only download it from us.
[19:29] <micahg> yeah
[19:30] <hggdh> yes, it does restrict -- paragraph (3) states "any use beyond the provisions of paragraph (2) is prohibited. So, packaging is prohibited
[19:31]  * micahg would think won't fix with that quoted
[19:31] <micahg> anyways, sun provides a deb repo
[19:32] <hggdh> yes. Closed wontfix
[19:33] <hggdh> dammit, closed the wrong bug :-(
[21:15] <BUGabundo> boas
[21:36] <mac_v> pedro_: isnt bug Bug #417824 a medium importance bug? it impacts several core apps [panel,update manager, power manager]
[21:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 417824 in gnome-panel "Gnome-panel loads very late after session start" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417824
[21:36] <mac_v> even session shutdown options are not displayed
[21:37] <pedro_> mac_v, how changing the importance would make a difference there?
[21:38] <mac_v> pedro_: not a difference for the bug , but i'm trying to understand :)
[21:38] <mac_v> as to the reasons for your choice
[21:38] <pedro_> mac_v, low is ok, you seems to be the only one facing the issue currently there's no confirmation from anybody else, and also i cannot reproduce the issue here locally
[21:39] <greg-g> stupid question: is there a performance hit if you have -dbgsym packages installed for an app?
[21:39] <greg-g> or performance difference?
[21:39] <mac_v> pedro_: hmm... hehe being to lone affectee  , nice ;)
[21:40] <pedro_> mac_v, haha yeah :-P
[21:40] <pedro_> greg-g, i don't think so... are you having problems with any of those packages?
[21:40] <mac_v>  hmm... i have a weird problem, when i try to play sound in my user profile i can *not* get sound to play in 2 apps simultaneously , but when i create a new user , sound works fine and i can play several apps simultaneously! how do i correct this?
[21:43] <mac_v> pedro_: if you dont mind me saying , your "thanx for sending upstream" response template is grammatically wrong. i forgot the exact wording , but i noticed it in several bugs
[21:44] <greg-g> pedro_: no, just wondering outloud. :)
[21:44] <pedro_> mac_v, there's no template for it
[21:44] <pedro_> greg-g, ah good ;-)
[21:44] <pedro_> mac_v, do you want to make one? ;-)
[21:45] <mac_v> i think there is one , already , let me check
[21:47] <greg-g> I thought Bryce made one using grease monkey that automatically filled in the bug number, he blogged about it recently, I believe.
[21:47] <mac_v> oh , there is no template , thats a different upstreamed one
[21:50] <mac_v> pedro_: "Thank you for taking the time to report this bug upstream."  how does that sound?
[21:55] <pedro_> mac_v, sounds good to me
[21:56] <mac_v> pedro_: should i add it to the responses page then?
[21:56] <pedro_> btw I've seen some reports where the reporter sent it upstream but didn't create an upstream task for it nor link it there
[21:56] <pedro_> would be nice to create an stock response for that case
[21:56] <pedro_> mac_v, sure, feel free to do it
[21:58] <mac_v> pedro_: how do we add for that? something that says, thank you but you should add it in the also affects link?
[21:58] <pedro_> we can point them to the nice documentation we currently have for that
[21:59] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches
[21:59] <AnAnt_> Hello, can someone look at LP 390292
[21:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 390292 in console-setup "undefined kernel key code  ( in karmic a2)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390292
[22:07] <mac_v> pedro_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/259500/ is this OK?
[22:08] <mac_v> bdmurray: hi... ^ for a response to members who have submitted but not linked upstream bug in lp
[22:10] <mac_v> hm... i was thinking of using "learn" instead of "read" ,  would that sound harsh?
[22:11] <greg-g> mac_v: this is what I was thinking of: http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/drupal/upstream-cgi
[22:11] <greg-g> and this http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/drupal/stock-replies-tips
[22:13] <bdmurray> mac_v: http://paste.ubuntu.com/259503/
[22:15] <mac_v> bdmurray: sounds good :) , should i add it or ?
[22:15] <mac_v> greg-g: we are actually talking about the same thing ;)
[22:16] <bdmurray> mac_v: that'd be great
[22:16] <greg-g> mac_v: ahh :) serves me right for not reading the back log completely :)
[22:39] <mac_v> bdmurray: http://filebin.ca/zmjt/bugsquad-replies.xml , i have added it to the end
[22:43] <bcurtiswx> did that one guys wiki changes go into effect yet
[23:00] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: i think you got this mixed up> Bug #410278
[23:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 410278 in notify-osd "[Feature request]Allow empathy conversation window to be minimized to notification area" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410278
[23:00] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: notify-osd has nothing to do with the feature request
[23:00] <bcurtiswx> mac_v, i believe notify-osd is what takes care of that, not the applications themselves
[23:01] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: nope , notify-osd is just a notification daemon  , just displays the bubbles
[23:01] <bcurtiswx> thats indicator applet then.. right?
[23:02] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: that is different too , but works for me ;)
[23:02] <bcurtiswx> so it would belong with that
[23:03] <bcurtiswx> hmm, i guess i have always thought the goal of indicator applet was to allow apps to be minimized (like empathy,evolution,gwibber) the ones that provide more frequent updates...
[23:03] <bcurtiswx> but i might be mistaken that the application has to support it on its own before it would work with the indicator applet
[23:04] <mac_v> yup
[23:04] <bcurtiswx> lemme see what the ayatana peeps have to say
[23:04] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: empathy does not have support for i-a yet :)
[23:05] <bcurtiswx> that i know, and i am gonna go fix the bug depending on my chat with the ayatana peeps
[23:05] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: sure , great \o/
[23:07] <bcurtiswx> unless you already know the answer to my question and im just being dumb here :P
[23:08] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: minimizing is one of the features of messaging menu , but just has not been done by the devs :) , BTW the emapthy  Bug #340180
[23:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 340180 in empathy "Please provide indicator-applet support in empathy" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/340180
[23:09] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: lol look who's here ;) > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu#Unresolved%20issues
[23:09] <mac_v> i think mpt added your name from a question you asked somewhere :)
[23:10] <bcurtiswx> mac_v: yeah... and look whats still not done... i asked that a long time ago
[23:10] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: its not done because no dev has cared to do it , but mp wants to implement it
[23:10] <bcurtiswx> but it looks like they want to push empathy into the indicator applet... hmm.. makes this a much more complicated bug
[23:11] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: pls fix it :)
[23:11] <bcurtiswx> i _could_ keep it open for both empathy and indicator applet.. in hopes one gets to it first
[23:12] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: last i heard from mpt , that was what he said  , thats why it has been added to the unresolved issues.
[23:17] <bcurtiswx> mac_v, look satisfactory to your liking now?
[23:18] <hggdh> dtchen, ping -- do you have a possible schedule?
[23:18] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: just a small fish , anything goes ,  :)
[23:19] <bcurtiswx> mac_v, i just want to make sure i put myself into your mindset well enough to get this to where you want it
[23:19] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: BTW , its mirco who gets frustrated when bugs are wrongly assigned to notify-osd
[23:20] <bcurtiswx> i will make sure to duck if he throws anything sharp at my head :D
[23:23] <mac_v> hehe , ;)
[23:24] <dtchen> hggdh: friday evening EST is likely best to work for me
[23:24] <dtchen> hggdh: sorry, EDT. let's shoot for 1800 EDT, which is 2200 UTC.
[23:25] <Ueland_2> bloddy timezones :P
[23:25] <hggdh> dtchen, thank you. I will be MIA -- traveling back home, but I will try to set it up on -classroom
[23:30] <mac_v> dtchen: hi... which irc room can i contact Eric Hedekar (stochastic) ,
[23:30] <stochastic> mac_v, I'm here
[23:31] <hggdh> so, to answer, #ubuntu-bugs ;-)
[23:31] <mac_v> stochastic: hi... i'm really sorry , i just deleted the folders , just 2 mins ago :(
[23:32] <stochastic> mac_v, shouldda made backups ;)  maybe someone else with the bug will post theirs
[23:32] <mac_v> stochastic: i had the folders for nearly a day! but yeah.
[23:34] <mac_v> hggdh: ;p
[23:37] <mac_v> stochastic: BTW why does the daemon.conf use ";" instead of "#"  for commenting? or am i understanding the purpose wrong?
[23:41] <stochastic> mac_v either one works for commenting
[23:41] <mac_v> hm...
[23:49] <hggdh> dtchen, just confirming, we are set for Firday Aug 28, at 1800 EDT, 2200 Z
[23:50] <bcurtiswx> a date???? :P
[23:51] <hggdh> yes!
[23:52] <bcurtiswx> not to sound rude.. hggdh you are M or F ?
[23:53] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, yes :-D
[23:53] <bcurtiswx> hahaha
[23:53] <bcurtiswx> you got me
[23:53] <bcurtiswx> which one?
[23:53] <hggdh> the one I was born with...
[23:54] <hggdh> ah, ok
[23:54] <hggdh> M
[23:54] <bcurtiswx> ok
[23:54] <micahg1> so 5PM Friday?
[23:54] <micahg> that looks silly
[23:54] <micahg> hggdh: will it be logged?
[23:54] <hggdh> micahg, yes, 1700, or 17:00, or 5PM
[23:55] <bcurtiswx> what r u talking about?
[23:55] <hggdh> I will try to get it logged -- after all, I will be traveling at this time, and would very much get it later
[23:55] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, a training on triaging sound bugs
[23:55] <bcurtiswx> ah, where at?
[23:55] <hggdh> micahg, of course, CDT time
[23:56] <bcurtiswx> the T = time
[23:56] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, this is what I am trying to get. Worst scenario, #ubuntu-bugs, but I would prefer #ubuntu-classroom
[23:58] <bcurtiswx> ah ok