=== bdrung_ is now known as bdrung === pace_t_zulu_ is now known as pace_t_zulu === maco_ is now known as MsMaco [06:46] good morning === mdz_ is now known as mdz === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === fddfoo is now known as fdd === bdrung_ is now known as bdrung === ivoks_ is now known as ivoks [15:07] Boo [15:16] hello [15:17] When using alsa or pulse, my computer farts quietly instead playing sound [15:17] since I didnt feed any beans to my computer, but I did upgrade (9.04 amd64) yesterday, I guess this could be related [15:17] is this a known problem? [15:18] only /dev/dsp works [15:24] well, anyway - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/418644 [15:24] Launchpad bug 418644 in pulseaudio "Ubuntu 9.04 amd64 ALSA and Pulse stoped working after upgrade " [Undecided,New] [15:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/418649 this is important, it makes it hard to debug X problems [15:35] Launchpad bug 418649 in kdepim "kmail floods .xsession-errors" [Undecided,New] === maco_ is now known as MsMaco [15:47] LimCore, please, at least, state what version of kmail and Ubuntu you are running [16:30] hggdh: as in the bug report, 9.04 amd64, fully up to date... this is obvious? [16:36] LimCore, I may be missing something, but I see no '9.04' strings in there [16:36] so, not obvious to me [16:37] ah, the other bug [16:37] updated [16:38] LimCore, thank you [16:39] LimCore, what about kmail? :-) [16:55] hggdh: well, kmail floods my .xsession-errors with some bullshit [16:55] that looks like debug messages [16:55] unfrotunatelly then log stops working, and I can not see there why my session died (other bug) === marjomercado is now known as marjo [17:08] LimCore, what kmail *version*? You should already know the drill: when opening a bug on a package, do give the versions used. [17:09] just refresh ;) [17:10] also, it is the version that is in 9.04 up to date [17:12] LimCore, yes. Still, it has to be stated. Please do not assume everybody will know and expect the same you do. [17:59] Hey, Ubuntu-bug itself is crashing when I run it. How do I set it to verbose/debug mode so I can see what's going on? [18:08] lfaraone: are you getting any output when it crashes? [18:09] bdmurray: well, it calls firefox, which then crashes. [18:09] *firefox then crashes. [18:10] bdmurray: I have firefox running in the background. I can start new firefox windows with the "firefox http://someurl" command. But when apport/ubuntu-bug gets to the part where it hands off to firefox it dies with an X error [18:11] so, the tab never gets opened by ubuntu-bug? [18:12] bdmurray: correct. [18:12] bdmurray: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/259380/ [18:13] bdmurray: odd, the problem just went away. [18:14] why are using sudo? [18:17] lfaraone: why are you using sudo w/ ubuntu-bug? [18:18] bdmurray: well, I had tested it earlier to see if it crashed when run as root or if it was a problem with my local env vars. (my sudo is aliased to clear local variables other than DISPLAY) [18:18] bdmurray: it also crashed sans sudo. [18:46] hmm... i have a weird problem, when i try to play sound in my user profile i can *not* get sound to play in 2 apps simultaneously , but when i create a new user , sound works fine and i can play several apps simultaneously! how do i solve this? [18:46] hggdh: can we make kmail quickly to not full xsession-errors, because it stops me from reporting more important errors [18:50] * LimCore is tired of users complaining, why you upgraded to 9.04, 8.10 was working better... [18:51] flash, sound, speed, firefox, all seems to be just worse in 9.04 somehow. Most of which I reported in bugs btw. Just observation [18:53] if something was apprently fixed (it works nowdays, didnt work before, but we never traced the exact problem), I set status to fix released or invalid? [19:02] LimCore, it would be Fix Released, unknown fix. [19:03] LimCore, on the kmail: I do not usually deal with KDE (and do not run kmail), so all I can do here is guarantee the minimum data is available for someone to confirm [19:05] for the kmail bug, you may try to present your case to the #kubuntu channel [19:07] thanks [19:25] re. bug 418773 -- should I close it Invalid, or WONTFIX? [19:25] Launchpad bug 418773 in ubuntu "[needs packaging] virtualbox, proprietary" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418773 [19:26] * micahg was thinking that [19:26] yeah. I personally think WONTFIX is more to the point, but... [19:26] does the sun license prevent redistribution? [19:28] well, the licence starts with "This license applies if you download the full VirtualBox binaries from the Downloads page." [19:28] which can be constructed to mean "you can only download it from us. [19:29] yeah [19:30] yes, it does restrict -- paragraph (3) states "any use beyond the provisions of paragraph (2) is prohibited. So, packaging is prohibited [19:31] * micahg would think won't fix with that quoted [19:31] anyways, sun provides a deb repo [19:32] yes. Closed wontfix [19:33] dammit, closed the wrong bug :-( [21:15] boas [21:36] pedro_: isnt bug Bug #417824 a medium importance bug? it impacts several core apps [panel,update manager, power manager] [21:36] Launchpad bug 417824 in gnome-panel "Gnome-panel loads very late after session start" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417824 [21:36] even session shutdown options are not displayed [21:37] mac_v, how changing the importance would make a difference there? [21:38] pedro_: not a difference for the bug , but i'm trying to understand :) [21:38] as to the reasons for your choice [21:38] mac_v, low is ok, you seems to be the only one facing the issue currently there's no confirmation from anybody else, and also i cannot reproduce the issue here locally [21:39] stupid question: is there a performance hit if you have -dbgsym packages installed for an app? [21:39] or performance difference? [21:39] pedro_: hmm... hehe being to lone affectee , nice ;) [21:40] mac_v, haha yeah :-P [21:40] greg-g, i don't think so... are you having problems with any of those packages? [21:40] hmm... i have a weird problem, when i try to play sound in my user profile i can *not* get sound to play in 2 apps simultaneously , but when i create a new user , sound works fine and i can play several apps simultaneously! how do i correct this? [21:43] pedro_: if you dont mind me saying , your "thanx for sending upstream" response template is grammatically wrong. i forgot the exact wording , but i noticed it in several bugs [21:44] pedro_: no, just wondering outloud. :) [21:44] mac_v, there's no template for it [21:44] greg-g, ah good ;-) [21:44] mac_v, do you want to make one? ;-) [21:45] i think there is one , already , let me check [21:47] I thought Bryce made one using grease monkey that automatically filled in the bug number, he blogged about it recently, I believe. [21:47] oh , there is no template , thats a different upstreamed one [21:50] pedro_: "Thank you for taking the time to report this bug upstream." how does that sound? [21:55] mac_v, sounds good to me [21:56] pedro_: should i add it to the responses page then? [21:56] btw I've seen some reports where the reporter sent it upstream but didn't create an upstream task for it nor link it there [21:56] would be nice to create an stock response for that case [21:56] mac_v, sure, feel free to do it [21:58] pedro_: how do we add for that? something that says, thank you but you should add it in the also affects link? [21:58] we can point them to the nice documentation we currently have for that [21:59] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches [21:59] Hello, can someone look at LP 390292 [21:59] Launchpad bug 390292 in console-setup "undefined kernel key code ( in karmic a2)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390292 [22:07] pedro_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/259500/ is this OK? [22:08] bdmurray: hi... ^ for a response to members who have submitted but not linked upstream bug in lp [22:10] hm... i was thinking of using "learn" instead of "read" , would that sound harsh? [22:11] mac_v: this is what I was thinking of: http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/drupal/upstream-cgi [22:11] and this http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/drupal/stock-replies-tips [22:13] mac_v: http://paste.ubuntu.com/259503/ [22:15] bdmurray: sounds good :) , should i add it or ? [22:15] greg-g: we are actually talking about the same thing ;) [22:16] mac_v: that'd be great [22:16] mac_v: ahh :) serves me right for not reading the back log completely :) [22:39] bdmurray: http://filebin.ca/zmjt/bugsquad-replies.xml , i have added it to the end [22:43] did that one guys wiki changes go into effect yet [23:00] bcurtiswx: i think you got this mixed up> Bug #410278 [23:00] Launchpad bug 410278 in notify-osd "[Feature request]Allow empathy conversation window to be minimized to notification area" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410278 [23:00] bcurtiswx: notify-osd has nothing to do with the feature request [23:00] mac_v, i believe notify-osd is what takes care of that, not the applications themselves [23:01] bcurtiswx: nope , notify-osd is just a notification daemon , just displays the bubbles [23:01] thats indicator applet then.. right? [23:02] bcurtiswx: that is different too , but works for me ;) [23:02] so it would belong with that [23:03] hmm, i guess i have always thought the goal of indicator applet was to allow apps to be minimized (like empathy,evolution,gwibber) the ones that provide more frequent updates... [23:03] but i might be mistaken that the application has to support it on its own before it would work with the indicator applet [23:04] yup [23:04] lemme see what the ayatana peeps have to say [23:04] bcurtiswx: empathy does not have support for i-a yet :) [23:05] that i know, and i am gonna go fix the bug depending on my chat with the ayatana peeps [23:05] bcurtiswx: sure , great \o/ [23:07] unless you already know the answer to my question and im just being dumb here :P [23:08] bcurtiswx: minimizing is one of the features of messaging menu , but just has not been done by the devs :) , BTW the emapthy Bug #340180 [23:08] Launchpad bug 340180 in empathy "Please provide indicator-applet support in empathy" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/340180 [23:09] bcurtiswx: lol look who's here ;) > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu#Unresolved%20issues [23:09] i think mpt added your name from a question you asked somewhere :) [23:10] mac_v: yeah... and look whats still not done... i asked that a long time ago [23:10] bcurtiswx: its not done because no dev has cared to do it , but mp wants to implement it [23:10] but it looks like they want to push empathy into the indicator applet... hmm.. makes this a much more complicated bug [23:11] bcurtiswx: pls fix it :) [23:11] i _could_ keep it open for both empathy and indicator applet.. in hopes one gets to it first [23:12] bcurtiswx: last i heard from mpt , that was what he said , thats why it has been added to the unresolved issues. [23:17] mac_v, look satisfactory to your liking now? [23:18] dtchen, ping -- do you have a possible schedule? [23:18] bcurtiswx: just a small fish , anything goes , :) [23:19] mac_v, i just want to make sure i put myself into your mindset well enough to get this to where you want it [23:19] bcurtiswx: BTW , its mirco who gets frustrated when bugs are wrongly assigned to notify-osd [23:20] i will make sure to duck if he throws anything sharp at my head :D [23:23] hehe , ;) [23:24] hggdh: friday evening EST is likely best to work for me [23:24] hggdh: sorry, EDT. let's shoot for 1800 EDT, which is 2200 UTC. [23:25] bloddy timezones :P [23:25] dtchen, thank you. I will be MIA -- traveling back home, but I will try to set it up on -classroom === Ueland_2 is now known as Ueland [23:30] dtchen: hi... which irc room can i contact Eric Hedekar (stochastic) , [23:30] mac_v, I'm here [23:31] so, to answer, #ubuntu-bugs ;-) [23:31] stochastic: hi... i'm really sorry , i just deleted the folders , just 2 mins ago :( [23:32] mac_v, shouldda made backups ;) maybe someone else with the bug will post theirs [23:32] stochastic: i had the folders for nearly a day! but yeah. [23:34] hggdh: ;p [23:37] stochastic: BTW why does the daemon.conf use ";" instead of "#" for commenting? or am i understanding the purpose wrong? [23:41] mac_v either one works for commenting [23:41] hm... [23:49] dtchen, just confirming, we are set for Firday Aug 28, at 1800 EDT, 2200 Z [23:50] a date???? :P [23:51] yes! [23:52] not to sound rude.. hggdh you are M or F ? [23:53] bcurtiswx, yes :-D [23:53] hahaha [23:53] you got me [23:53] which one? [23:53] the one I was born with... [23:54] ah, ok [23:54] M [23:54] ok [23:54] so 5PM Friday? === micahg1 is now known as micahg [23:54] that looks silly [23:54] hggdh: will it be logged? [23:54] micahg, yes, 1700, or 17:00, or 5PM [23:55] what r u talking about? [23:55] I will try to get it logged -- after all, I will be traveling at this time, and would very much get it later [23:55] bcurtiswx, a training on triaging sound bugs [23:55] ah, where at? [23:55] micahg, of course, CDT time [23:56] the T = time [23:56] bcurtiswx, this is what I am trying to get. Worst scenario, #ubuntu-bugs, but I would prefer #ubuntu-classroom [23:58] ah ok