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| mac_v | DanRabbit1: ping | 09:52 |
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| SiDi | tedg, hello | 14:10 |
| tedg | SiDi: Howdy | 14:10 |
| SiDi | Fine, you ? | 14:11 |
| SiDi | tedg, Do you know if there is still someone planning to separate libindicate and indicator-applet ? :D | 14:12 |
| tedg | SiDi: Doing well. It's done :) | 14:12 |
| SiDi | Aaaaaw | 14:12 |
| SiDi | Where can i catch the lib please ? :) | 14:13 |
| SiDi | (lp:libindicate, found it !) | 14:13 |
| SiDi | tedg, many thanks for having done it :] | 14:13 |
| DBO | hey MacSlow, sorry about the empty diff | 14:14 |
| DBO | my push failed | 14:14 |
| DBO | fixed now :) | 14:14 |
| MacSlow | DBO, np | 14:14 |
| tedg | SiDi: No problem. | 14:15 |
| tedg | SiDi: There should be new split source packages hitting Karmic... I think they hit yesterday. | 14:16 |
| tedg | kenvandine: ^^ The separate libindicate source package is in now, right? | 14:16 |
| SiDi | tedg, great ! | 14:17 |
| SiDi | now i have to make sure indicator-applet-xfce builds and find someone to package it :P | 14:17 |
| kenvandine | tedg, yes | 14:18 |
| SiDi | !info libindicate karmic | 14:18 |
| ubot4 | SiDi: Package libindicate does not exist in karmic | 14:18 |
| SiDi | !info libindicate1 karmic | 14:18 |
| ubot4 | SiDi: libindicate1 (source: indicator-applet): GNOME panel indicator applet - shared library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1.6-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 21 kB, installed size 108 kB | 14:18 |
| kenvandine | libindicate2 is the binary | 14:18 |
| SiDi | ah | 14:19 |
| kenvandine | libindicate | 0.2.0~bzr325-0ubuntu1 | karmic | source | 14:19 |
| SiDi | libindicate2 (source: indicator-applet) from ubot4 | 14:19 |
| SiDi | brb, rebooting the router | 14:20 |
| mac_v | tedg: hi... the i-a-sus , is showing icon-missing as the icon? is that a known bug? | 14:20 |
| tedg | mac_v: Yes. It's patched upstream :) | 14:21 |
| mac_v | hmm... nice thanx. | 14:22 |
| DanRabbit1 | mac_v: pong | 14:32 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: lol... got up early ? ;) just a sec | 14:33 |
| DanRabbit1 | Yea, I have school in an hour :( | 14:33 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/1.svg , http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/2.svg which do you like better? | 14:35 |
| DanRabbit1 | Thinner stroke :D | 14:35 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: yeah , me too , just confirming how you wanted it ;) | 14:36 |
| DanRabbit1 | thanks | 14:36 |
| mac_v | :) | 14:36 |
| SiDi`Laptop | !info libpango1.0-0 karmic | 14:47 |
| ubot4 | SiDi`Laptop: libpango1.0-0 (source: pango1.0): Layout and rendering of internationalized text. In component main, is optional. Version 1.25.3-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 312 kB, installed size 924 kB | 14:47 |
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| MacSlow | DBO, eeejay would be the best to review the atk-patches... I don't know ATK at all and can only look for "coding-style" stuff or general things like translatable strings. | 15:31 |
| DBO | yeah translatable strings is what I always forget | 15:31 |
| DBO | every | 15:31 |
| DBO | single | 15:31 |
| DBO | time | 15:31 |
| DBO | but yeah, how do we get an eeejay involved? | 15:32 |
| MacSlow | I've been looking for him on IRC, but he does not seem to be online | 15:32 |
| DBO | MacSlow, translatable string issue is fixed =) | 15:50 |
| DBO | sorry for the delay, was working on maximus | 15:50 |
| DBO | perhaps we should request a direct review from eeejay | 15:51 |
| SiDi | Damn pkg-config | 15:58 |
| SiDi | tedg, kenvandine if i wanted to check for the presence of libindicate in autotools, any idea what package name i should give to pkg-config ? :S | 15:59 |
| tedg | SiDi: indicate | 15:59 |
| tedg | SiDi: Usually it's the file name in /usr/lib/pkgconfig -- typically I'll just do an "ls" there to look for things. | 15:59 |
| SiDi | thanks tedg :D | 16:02 |
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| MacSlow | DBO, would be cool, but does LP's merge-proposal interface/UI allow that? I don't know. | 17:18 |
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| mac_v | mpt: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/new1.png , if you like the color i can complete the whole animation | 17:57 |
| mpt | mac_v, nice! | 17:59 |
| mpt | mac_v, I think you might find that if you animate it, it's like spinning an egg, because it's a bit oval | 17:59 |
| mpt | so you'd need to trim a bit off the arrow tails to make it circular, I guess | 18:00 |
| mac_v | mpt: nope the arrow head is causing the illusion , I'v taken care of the circle ;) | 18:00 |
| mac_v | mpt: oh! oops! i gave the link to the wrong image > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/new.png | 18:03 |
| mpt | ah, much better | 18:04 |
| mac_v | mpt: hehe , you are right about the first one though ;) | 18:04 |
| mpt | mac_v, so I'm happy to go through as many iterations of this as you like until you get bored. ;-) It probably should be a bit less yellow | 18:06 |
| mpt | If you'd rather leave it as it is, please attach it to a software-store bug report | 18:07 |
| mac_v | mpt: yeah, the color was my concern too , i'll try a different shade | 18:07 |
| mac_v | mpt: bug report or wiki? | 18:07 |
| mpt | mac_v, ah, wiki works too | 18:08 |
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| djsiegel | mrooney|w mac_v, next week is Ubuntu Developer Week | 18:53 |
| djsiegel | will you be around? | 18:53 |
| mrooney|w | yes I think so | 18:53 |
| mac_v | yup | 18:53 |
| djsiegel | Ok, I have the week off and may be out of reach, but there's a paper cutting session thursday | 18:53 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: BTW wat time is it? | 18:53 |
| djsiegel | I may try to get it moved to weds | 18:54 |
| djsiegel | let me grab the page 1 sec | 18:54 |
| djsiegel | MDC2: ping ^ | 18:54 |
| MDC2 | djsiegel, pong! | 18:54 |
| djsiegel | mrooney|w mac_v MDC2 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek | 18:54 |
| djsiegel | so, I will be in the session for paper cutting there, would be great if you guys could attend | 18:55 |
| mrooney|w | ah ok | 18:55 |
| djsiegel | the focus of the week is development in ubuntu, and I've asked dholbach to make the remaining 60 paper cuts that need some attention the focus | 18:55 |
| djsiegel | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscri | 18:56 |
| djsiegel | eld.milestone%3Alist=13597&field.milestone%3Alist=13644&field.milestone%3Alist=13598&field.milestone%3Alist=13629&field.milestone%3Alist=13630&field.milestone%3Alist=13631&field.milestone%3Alist=13640&field.milestone%3Alist=13641&field.milestone%3Alist=13642&field.milestone%3Alist=13643&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY | 18:56 |
| djsiegel | those (nice url, huh?) | 18:56 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: the url got cut ;p | 18:56 |
| djsiegel | ok 1 sec | 18:56 |
| djsiegel | http://tinyurl.com/mbpmob | 18:57 |
| djsiegel | that's all milestoned paper cuts that aren't yet fixed | 18:57 |
| djsiegel | ah, I may cut off In Progress | 18:57 |
| djsiegel | http://tinyurl.com/nml6jo | 18:58 |
| djsiegel | so, in all sessions that deal with fixing bugs, /these/ should be the samples/examples that devs are encouraged to focus on | 18:58 |
| djsiegel | I think there were 400 people at the last UDW | 18:58 |
| djsiegel | so, 400 / 60 = almost 7 devs per paper cut remaining | 18:59 |
| MDC2 | djsiegel, i'll be working next week but i can probably hang around and poke some code from time to time.. but where is it? ;-) #?? | 18:59 |
| djsiegel | #ubuntu-classroom | 18:59 |
| djsiegel | so there will be a lot of activity, and we will need to be there to support it | 19:00 |
| djsiegel | but like I said, I will be unavailable for most of the week so more fall son you guys if you're avilable | 19:00 |
| djsiegel | they are normal bugs, so our participation is not required | 19:00 |
| djsiegel | but it would be good for some of us to be available | 19:00 |
| djsiegel | Man, I am working in a public library, and this family with 8 children, all under 6 years old, is letting them run around screaming like it's a playground | 19:01 |
| djsiegel | (my in-ear noise blocking headphones are out of commission due to a faulty wire) | 19:02 |
| DBO | djsiegel, any fun papercuts up my ally you know of offhand? | 19:04 |
| DBO | I'd like to be one of the 100 | 19:04 |
| djsiegel | DBO, let me see | 19:04 |
| djsiegel | I have been using Safari 4 for a week, and its "awesome bar" is really cruddy | 19:05 |
| djsiegel | it doesn't search your history well | 19:05 |
| DBO | yeah its more of an "okay bar" | 19:06 |
| DBO | also, did you see my first major code contribution landed in the public yesterday? | 19:06 |
| MDC2 | djsiegel, safari - aren't you running linux? ;-) | 19:06 |
| DBO | the new icons in the window pickers applet =) | 19:06 |
| djsiegel | DBO: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/8949 | 19:07 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 8949 in hundredpapercuts "Opening a deleted 'recent document' results in a new file." [Undecided,Confirmed] | 19:07 |
| DBO | consider it done djsiegel ;) | 19:07 |
| djsiegel | MDC2: usually, but I switched to my MBP to get better adobe air performance and increased screen space to work on some mockups | 19:07 |
| djsiegel | DBO: there is a patch there | 19:07 |
| djsiegel | may be a good starting place | 19:07 |
| DBO | awesome | 19:07 |
| djsiegel | when someone shows the recent documents menu, if a recent document is a local file that no longer exists, it should not show up in the menu | 19:08 |
| djsiegel | I think that's a reasonable fix/ | 19:08 |
| djsiegel | maybe the recent documents API should not tell you about deleted files, but that's a deeper change | 19:08 |
| djsiegel | but if you have a better solution, DBO, by all means | 19:08 |
| DBO | i think this is better handled at the level of the consumer of the recent documents api | 19:09 |
| djsiegel | but why should the API tell you about recent files that no longer exist? | 19:10 |
| djsiegel | if the user deleted the file, what's the point of telling them about it any longer? | 19:10 |
| DBO | because drives can be disconnected | 19:10 |
| DBO | local drives even | 19:10 |
| DBO | do it all the time | 19:10 |
| djsiegel | but you'd still want to see the file? | 19:10 |
| DBO | yes, and if its in a path thats in my /etc/mtab, even offer to try to mount when I attempt to access it | 19:11 |
| mac_v | DBO: what sort of bugs are you interested in? i could find you some :) | 19:11 |
| djsiegel | who is Ted M Lin/ | 19:11 |
| djsiegel | what is is nick, rather | 19:11 |
| djsiegel | we need to find him and ask him to follow up on his paper cuts! | 19:12 |
| DBO | mac_v, I love heavy interface lifting, make me do some cairo. Of course those are rarely paper cuts, so I also would do anything that lets me engineer a solution | 19:12 |
| djsiegel | he's done at least 5 patches | 19:12 |
| DBO | I like a challenge :) | 19:12 |
| djsiegel | so, we have https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/385850 | 19:12 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 385850 in hundredpapercuts "Ship fewer screensavers by default" [Low,Confirmed] | 19:12 |
| djsiegel | it's ready in a branch | 19:12 |
| djsiegel | do we need to subscribe someone to get this merged? | 19:13 |
| djsiegel | these are things that should be taken care of next week | 19:13 |
| djsiegel | a good number of paper cuts have branches with fixes | 19:13 |
| djsiegel | and they need to be sponsored and merged | 19:13 |
| mac_v | hmm... let me see :) | 19:14 |
| mac_v | DBO: Bug #416624 , a little interface clean up , not too heavy ;) | 19:17 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 416624 in hundredpapercuts "Preferred Applications is a little confusing." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/416624 | 19:17 |
| DBO | oooo I wanna do that one | 19:18 |
| djsiegel | that is not a paper cut | 19:18 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: you were the one who made DanRabbit1 file it ;) | 19:19 |
| djsiegel | no, it's a good bug | 19:20 |
| djsiegel | but, I am sure DBO could do it in a day | 19:20 |
| djsiegel | DBO, let me know if you tackle it and we can count it | 19:20 |
| mac_v | good bug, but not a (good) paper cut ? ;p | 19:20 |
| djsiegel | we can schedule it in a round and remove another | 19:20 |
| DBO | djsiegel, roger, girlfriend is in chicago tonight, so I might just sit down and do some binge coding | 19:20 |
| djsiegel | nice | 19:21 |
| djsiegel | DanRabbit1 filed another good one, let me find | 19:21 |
| mac_v | DBO: then i'll find you some more ;p | 19:21 |
| djsiegel | DBO, will you apply for membership in papercutters so you can change statuses and milestones? | 19:21 |
| djsiegel | I will approve you | 19:21 |
| DBO | sure | 19:21 |
| DBO | done | 19:22 |
| MDC2 | about bug 416624, when entering a custom command; could there be a legend describing what "%s" is? | 19:27 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 416624 in hundredpapercuts "Preferred Applications is a little confusing." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/416624 | 19:27 |
| DBO | MDC2, it should give an example | 19:29 |
| DBO | like if you type foo --file=%s | 19:29 |
| DBO | it would say "e.g. : foo --file=bar.txt" | 19:29 |
| MDC2 | is %s the only one availble? | 19:30 |
| DBO | i dont think so | 19:30 |
| DBO | maybe? | 19:30 |
| MDC2 | so.. it might be good to show what special commands are available? | 19:31 |
| DBO | maybe | 19:31 |
| MDC2 | and i think that %s here refers to an url... | 19:34 |
| DBO | erm yes it would in this case | 19:34 |
| MDC2 | see - if not even I know what %s is.. how will the "user" know ;-) | 19:35 |
| DBO | neural lace? | 19:36 |
| djsiegel | MDC2: yes, that's one of the drivers behind a separate dialog | 19:37 |
| djsiegel | there's room for info about those keys | 19:37 |
| djsiegel | but for the paper cut, it's not necessary to add new information like that | 19:37 |
| djsiegel | I wish we had OS X style sheets | 19:37 |
| djsiegel | instead of using a modal dialog for this | 19:37 |
| DBO | sheets are more or less well positioned modal dialogs | 19:38 |
| djsiegel | MDC2: those symbols are explained in the docs for XDG .desktop files spec I believe | 19:38 |
| djsiegel | DBO, right, but they are attached to the parent window have have no decoration | 19:38 |
| DBO | right, well positioned windows | 19:38 |
| DBO | modal windows with flare! | 19:38 |
| djsiegel | MDC2 and in the docs for g_desktop_file_open or something | 19:38 |
| DBO | hell I bet I could write a 100 line app to turn all modal windows into OS X style sheets | 19:39 |
| djsiegel | DBO do it, would be a sweet patch to gtk | 19:39 |
| MDC2 | djsiegel, oh.. it surly should be visible in the gui :-) | 19:39 |
| DBO | you dont need to patch GTK | 19:39 |
| djsiegel | you don;t need to | 19:39 |
| djsiegel | but it would be nice to make it an explicit new dialog class | 19:39 |
| MDC2 | dbo, if we do it - it should be in gtk | 19:39 |
| MDC2 | i heard we had sheets in gtk / cocoa (?) now.. | 19:40 |
| djsiegel | I mean, you could try sheetifying modal dialogs w/ parent windows | 19:40 |
| djsiegel | but that could get funky | 19:40 |
| djsiegel | those modal dialogs could have modal dialogs :) | 19:40 |
| djsiegel | or open other things | 19:40 |
| DBO | dont sheetify a modal dialog to a modal dialog | 19:41 |
| djsiegel | DBO here's a bug in the same vein as the recent docs: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/19069 | 19:41 |
| DBO | or a model dialog above a certain size | 19:41 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 19069 in hundredpapercuts "Nautilus browser's pathbar displays non-existent folders" [Low,Confirmed] | 19:41 |
| djsiegel | has a patch, upstream is on it | 19:41 |
| djsiegel | just fyi | 19:41 |
| djsiegel | wouldn't hurt to ping cosimo | 19:41 |
| DBO | what am I supposed to do in that kind of case | 19:41 |
| DBO | Im a coder, not a packager | 19:41 |
| djsiegel | just say "hey cosimo, you have the patch you said you were polishing?" | 19:42 |
| djsiegel | he might say "oh yeah, forgot, let me merge" | 19:42 |
| djsiegel | or "no, here's what I've got, can you finish and ping me back and I will merge?" | 19:42 |
| djsiegel | that's basically what I do on these when they have a patch and stop moving | 19:42 |
| djsiegel | "hey, upstream, umm, about that patch you reviewed and said looked good to merge..." | 19:42 |
| djsiegel | "think we can merge it before 2010?" | 19:43 |
| DBO | patching gtk to have a sheet modal window would take 100 lines of code including boiler plate code me thinks :) | 19:43 |
| djsiegel | Like 2-line diff against gnome-panel hanging around bugzilla since 2002(?) | 19:43 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: you need to send mail upstream about > Bug #388949 , | 19:43 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 388949 in hundredpapercuts "'Clean Up by Name' -> 'Arrange by Name'" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388949 | 19:43 |
| djsiegel | that solves ordering problems when changing resolution | 19:43 |
| djsiegel | we had 44 dupes of that bug in LP | 19:43 |
| mac_v | i mena the nautilus mailing list | 19:43 |
| MDC2 | about the pathbar patch; i think it needs some polish first.. | 19:43 |
| djsiegel | turns out the 7 year old patch worked like a charm | 19:43 |
| MDC2 | its got #if 0 in it.... | 19:44 |
| djsiegel | mac_v, yeah | 19:44 |
| DBO | well at least I no longer wonder what you do with your day djsiegel :P | 19:45 |
| djsiegel | ha | 19:46 |
| djsiegel | I have been doing other things | 19:46 |
| djsiegel | haven't one PPCs in a good week | 19:46 |
| djsiegel | I think there's a chance we will get a good 75 of these done | 19:46 |
| djsiegel | I think 45 are done now | 19:47 |
| DBO | im a bit surprised at how much trouble it is to get working code upstream | 19:47 |
| djsiegel | hopefully the 400 devs here for UDW will descend like angels next week | 19:47 |
| DBO | UDW is a physical event? | 19:47 |
| djsiegel | DBO, yeah... | 19:47 |
| djsiegel | not many people are home, it seems | 19:47 |
| djsiegel | you knock on the door with a fruit basket... | 19:48 |
| djsiegel | and nobody opens | 19:48 |
| DBO | well if Verizon Wireless and TV taught me anything it's this | 19:48 |
| DBO | you dont get them to open the door unless you have Catherine Zeta Jones do the knocking | 19:48 |
| djsiegel__ | DBO: you might be on to something there | 19:50 |
| DBO | C Zeta Jones is a win | 19:50 |
| djsiegel__ | DBO: are you up for some major invasive plastic surgery? | 19:50 |
| DBO | only if I get a weekend to fondle my new C Zeta Jones body | 19:51 |
| DBO | it would be nice of XDG specified a Soft Window Strut | 19:52 |
| DBO | similar to our current struts | 19:52 |
| DBO | but not enforced as dramatically | 19:52 |
| DBO | perfect for things like autohide panels | 19:52 |
| DBO | or sidebars | 19:52 |
| mac_v | DBO: wanna add support for thunderbird and messaging menu? ;) | 19:53 |
| DBO | the what? | 19:53 |
| mac_v | indicator applet | 19:53 |
| DBO | messaging menu? | 19:53 |
| DBO | i dont have karmic | 19:53 |
| mac_v | DBO: i thought it behaves the same in Jaunty ... does it show the icon always? or virtual box ;p | 19:54 |
| DBO | it behaves the same but its 10 times more worthless | 19:55 |
| DBO | since nothing uses it | 19:55 |
| DBO | I dont even really understand what its there for | 19:55 |
| DBO | all I know is I can click on it, and then sometimes it will have a buddy's screen name listed, and if I click on that the window starts blinking in my task list | 19:55 |
| mac_v | lol , its worthless here too , awaiting some development , its supposed to be a launcher + indicator | 19:55 |
| DBO | or more usually, I click it and nothing happens because the window was already blinking | 19:56 |
| DBO | all I know is SOMEBODY forgot to run wnck_set_client_type (WNCK_CLIENT_TYPE_PAGER) | 19:57 |
| DBO | then it would actually be useful... | 19:57 |
| DBO | letting me switch desktops and so on... | 19:57 |
| mac_v | hm.. in karmic it switches windows and desktops when the app is selected. or maybe i set it as such | 19:58 |
| DBO | oh then they fixed it :P | 20:01 |
| mac_v | DBO: are you familiar with gvfs and nautilus code? | 20:01 |
| DBO | familiar no, able to dive in and understand yes | 20:02 |
| DBO | well I am familiar with coding gvfs stuff | 20:02 |
| mac_v | Bug #301035 , this bug needs a bit of tweek in both | 20:02 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 301035 in hundredpapercuts "Place an Ubuntu icon/emblem on the system partition" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301035 | 20:02 |
| mac_v | tweak* | 20:02 |
| mac_v | see my comment #20 , icons stuff can be done but the code needs to be in place | 20:04 |
| DBO | looking | 20:05 |
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| DBO | so really you want a patch to gvfs to detect if a filesystem (or rather any file) resides on a particular type of filesystem... | 20:08 |
| DBO | mm I am thinking we dont even need to patch gvfs to get that info | 20:08 |
| DBO | maybe not with gvfs however | 20:09 |
| DBO | I dont know, we'll see | 20:09 |
| mac_v | DBO: yeah , basically it already know the filesystem type, windows are usually ntfs/fat , so assign the window icon, apple assign apple icon , for the filesystem , we assign the Ubuntu icon, just the signla need to be sent | 20:10 |
| mac_v | knows* | 20:10 |
| DBO | yep | 20:11 |
| DBO | yeah gio is still pretty rapidly changing | 20:12 |
| DBO | shouldn't be too hard to get an upstream change on this one | 20:12 |
| djsiegel | mac_v can you show me a screenshot of the new behavior for this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/407116 ? | 20:13 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 407116 in hundredpapercuts "The thumbnail of an image should not be bigger than the image itself" [Low,Fix released] | 20:13 |
| djsiegel | if it's a real improvement, I will milestone it | 20:13 |
| djsiegel | otherwise, I want to mark-affects nautilus and invalidate the paper cut | 20:14 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: http://imagebin.ca/view/AM7wvFi.html , notice the 48px and the 128px | 20:19 |
| djsiegel | eww, wish those were at least centered | 20:20 |
| djsiegel | that just looks terrible still! | 20:21 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: centered? i think they are | 20:21 |
| djsiegel | vertically ? | 20:21 |
| mac_v | yeah | 20:21 |
| djsiegel | there's no grid there | 20:21 |
| mac_v | oh grid , no grid | 20:21 |
| djsiegel | hmmm | 20:22 |
| djsiegel | is that the default layout behavior in karmic? | 20:22 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: its anything larger than 96px is shown at 96 px and anything smaller is at its own size | 20:22 |
| djsiegel | it all flows together like that? | 20:22 |
| djsiegel | ok, I suppose we can count it | 20:22 |
| djsiegel | but what if I have a 1px square png ? | 20:23 |
| djsiegel | is the icon a 1px square ?! | 20:23 |
| djsiegel | in that case, it's a regression | 20:23 |
| mac_v | previously it used to scale , everything up to or down to 96px | 20:23 |
| djsiegel | right | 20:23 |
| djsiegel | I understand | 20:23 |
| djsiegel | I think this change is not necessarily an improvement | 20:23 |
| mac_v | i dont think there can be a 1px icon ;p | 20:23 |
| mac_v | but yeah feels a bit inconsistent | 20:24 |
| mac_v | personally , i liked how it was before all shown at 96 px | 20:24 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: i think it has a grid... just dont know how to describe it , the default size of the folder icons icons is used , and the thumbnails is used centered in that , if bigger it is shown bigger... does that make sense to you ? | 20:33 |
| mac_v | the thumbnails are centered in that folder icon grid | 20:33 |
| djsiegel | Nautilus needs all of it's layout stuff redone | 20:33 |
| djsiegel | on the desktop window, and in normal windows | 20:34 |
| djsiegel | icons should not have drastically different dimentions | 20:34 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: the desktop has changed too , | 20:34 |
| djsiegel | how so? | 20:34 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/388418/comments/7 | 20:35 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 388418 in nautilus "Smaller icons on the desktop compared to the Nautilus window" [Undecided,Invalid] | 20:35 |
| DanRabbit1 | Nautilus fork, ftw | 20:35 |
| djsiegel | DBO: you might have fun with this one too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/16492 | 20:35 |
| DanRabbit1 | who's with me? | 20:35 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 16492 in hundredpapercuts "Mouse pointer should disappear when keyboard is in use and mouse isn't" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:35 |
| DBO | djsiegel, you know the active window indicator on docky? | 20:36 |
| mac_v | i would not say disappear would be better, but rather semi transparent would be nicer , if possible , usually while typing sometimes we might check for the pointer | 20:36 |
| djsiegel | yup | 20:36 |
| DBO | ok, now that you have that in mind | 20:37 |
| DBO | picture in your head the window picker applet | 20:37 |
| DBO | remove the button like background of the icons in there | 20:37 |
| DBO | (since we got rid of them) | 20:37 |
| DBO | and make the icons full panel size | 20:37 |
| djsiegel | DBO and it looks like the Win7 taskbar? | 20:38 |
| djsiegel | :) | 20:38 |
| DBO | active window is full opacity | 20:38 |
| djsiegel | https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/387467/comments/7 is maybe one of my best comments ever | 20:38 |
| djsiegel | lol | 20:38 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 387467 in totem "obtuse error when ejecting a playing DVD" [Low,Confirmed] | 20:38 |
| DBO | inactive windows are 55% | 20:38 |
| DBO | however this is too subtle | 20:38 |
| djsiegel | DBO, yeah, alpha does not work will with current gnome-panel | 20:38 |
| DBO | no I have the alpha bit working fine | 20:39 |
| DBO | its a matter of you just cant easily tell whats active/not | 20:39 |
| djsiegel | hmm | 20:39 |
| DBO | I could really use a chat with those guys who were at UDS | 20:39 |
| DBO | your teammates | 20:39 |
| djsiegel | DBO: related to the recent docs paper cut: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/415737 | 20:43 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 415737 in hundredpapercuts "Listings in Recent Documents should be dimmed when no longer available" [Undecided,New] | 20:43 |
| djsiegel | you might want to choose between them | 20:43 |
| djsiegel | DBO, what's up? need some help designing a dialog? | 20:43 |
| djsiegel | I've really boned up on that skill in the past month or two :) | 20:43 |
| djsiegel | I must do 1 a day | 20:43 |
| djsiegel | I take my morning vitamin, then design my daily dialoh | 20:44 |
| djsiegel | g | 20:44 |
| DBO | no I just need ideas on how to indicate the active window in such a small space | 20:44 |
| DBO | and we cant rely on a simple background because sometimes the icon pretty much consumes the whole damned area | 20:45 |
| DBO | unless we add left/right padding | 20:45 |
| DBO | which we can do | 20:45 |
| djsiegel | hmm? I am not entirely clear on the concent | 20:45 |
| djsiegel | concept | 20:45 |
| djsiegel | do you have a mockup? | 20:46 |
| DBO | you have a 24x200 area | 20:46 |
| DBO | on it lay a bunch of 24x24 icons | 20:46 |
| DBO | representing all the windows on your desktop | 20:46 |
| DBO | lets say there are 5 of them | 20:46 |
| DBO | indicate the one which is active | 20:46 |
| DBO | you may, if desired, resize the icons to be smaller | 20:48 |
| DBO | or apply any other transform to them I can figure out how to do in cairo | 20:48 |
| DBO | djsiegel? | 20:59 |
| djsiegel | DBO : hayoo | 20:59 |
| djsiegel | I would "bold" the active one | 20:59 |
| djsiegel | is there a label? | 20:59 |
| DBO | nope | 20:59 |
| DBO | just icons | 21:00 |
| djsiegel | hmm | 21:00 |
| djsiegel | drop shadow | 21:00 |
| DBO | you know... the window picker applet from UNR... | 21:00 |
| DBO | its on a black background | 21:00 |
| djsiegel | ah | 21:00 |
| djsiegel | I am unfamiliar | 21:00 |
| DBO | currently I am trying out making innactive windows 90% the size of active windows and 55% opacity | 21:00 |
| DBO | this makes it obvious to me | 21:00 |
| DBO | but part of the reason for this work was to make it possible to use 100% of the bar size for icons | 21:01 |
| DBO | this is actually quite a hard problem for me... | 21:03 |
| djsiegel | DBO, I will look when I have some time later | 21:04 |
| djsiegel | I need lunch | 21:04 |
| DBO | alrighty | 21:04 |
| djsiegel | my mom just called me for help with voicemail on the iphone | 21:06 |
| djsiegel | she simply doesn't understand the Visual Voicemail feature | 21:06 |
| djsiegel | "I see a list of the people who left me voicemail, but how do I call to get my voicemails? Do I press #33?" | 21:07 |
| djsiegel | "Mom, those /are/ the voicemails" | 21:07 |
| djsiegel | "Press play" | 21:07 |
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| Mark__T | SiDi: ping | 21:21 |
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| SiDi | Mark__T pong | 23:29 |
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