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| chungur | Hi | 13:17 |
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| alkisg | Hello | 13:19 |
| chungur | I would like to chat with some representative from Edubuntu in private | 13:20 |
| sbalneav | chungur: What, an official representitive? :) Don't think we have one. It's probably best to say whatever you need to say in here. | 13:27 |
| Nubae | he messaged me in private by name, but nothing further :-) | 13:29 |
| highvoltage | we're talking in pvt at the moment | 13:31 |
| sbalneav | Oooh, very cloak and dagger, be sure to let us know what transpires, Mr. "Official Representitve" :) | 13:34 |
| sbalneav | bbiab | 13:35 |
| ace_suares | highvoltage: ping | 17:24 |
| sbalneav | Morning ace | 17:25 |
| ace_suares | hi sbalneav, how's the coding coming along? | 17:25 |
| sbalneav | Well, my ppa failed me, but stgraber took my work and submitted it for me. | 17:26 |
| sbalneav | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-August/007310.html | 17:26 |
| sbalneav | so it's at least made it into karmic | 17:26 |
| ace_suares | very good! | 17:27 |
| sbalneav | Now I just need to get something going for the handbook | 17:27 |
| ace_suares | oh yeah that would be swell. | 17:27 |
| ace_suares | How can I help ? | 17:27 |
| ace_suares | sbalneav: lets just discuss it at the meeting friday okay... | 17:30 |
| sbalneav | How much do you know about docbook? | 17:32 |
| sbalneav | If nothing else, having standardized pages on the wiki that the handbook can point to would be fine. | 17:32 |
| ace_suares | i know noting about docbook but I once knew nothing about PHP, Linux, RoR, OpenLdap, postfix, qmail, qmail-ldap, djbdns, apache, nginx, mailman ... so I can learn. | 17:33 |
| ace_suares | If you have 5 minutes of FULL attention, I would like to ask you a few questions, if not, another time. | 17:34 |
| nubae_ | u dont really need to know anything about docbook | 17:35 |
| nubae_ | its more about respecting the xml tags | 17:35 |
| ace_suares | hi nubae_ | 17:35 |
| nubae_ | so edit in an editor that doesnt try to import docbook | 17:35 |
| nubae_ | I learnt that lesson the hard way, and sbalneav spent a good week correcting my mistakes | 17:36 |
| nubae_ | hi ace_suares :-) | 17:36 |
| nubae_ | I tried to open the docbook format in open office, which is supposed to understand it, but doesnt of course | 17:36 |
| ace_suares | On the wiki there are lot of handbook pages. like this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Documentation/Handbook | 17:36 |
| ace_suares | and this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuHandbook/EdgyOutline | 17:37 |
| ace_suares | it all seems like a mess. | 17:37 |
| nubae_ | it is | 17:37 |
| sbalneav | ace_suares: I'm all ears | 17:37 |
| nubae_ | basically take the edubuntu cookbook | 17:37 |
| nubae_ | thats the only one worth anything | 17:37 |
| nubae_ | and strip out the ltsp stuff | 17:38 |
| ace_suares | For me it would be godd to scrap all that sh*t at some point and start with something fresh that will actulaly *have* a structure. | 17:38 |
| nubae_ | yeah | 17:38 |
| nubae_ | btw... have u guys seen linux-for-education.org? | 17:38 |
| sbalneav | nubae_: It wasn't that big a deal. It got fixed | 17:38 |
| ace_suares | So what I would need is an inventarisations of handbook/cookbook pages and then decide which can go, be redirected, or should be moved to a new site. | 17:38 |
| nubae_ | its a moodle site that we created, and is partly sponsored by opensuse | 17:39 |
| nubae_ | but it would be cool if all distros were to help out with it | 17:39 |
| ace_suares | oh yeah io saw that it's pretty cool but a bit empty | 17:39 |
| nubae_ | right | 17:39 |
| nubae_ | can u help fill it :-) | 17:39 |
| ace_suares | haha i am not IN education really | 17:39 |
| nubae_ | it would be nice to be joint edubuntu/opensuse-edu project to start with | 17:39 |
| ace_suares | I ma just tryin gto get schools to use Free Software. | 17:40 |
| nubae_ | well edubuntu is education | 17:40 |
| nubae_ | right... | 17:40 |
| sbalneav | ace_suares: What's your questions? | 17:40 |
| ace_suares | sbalneav: Is there a *valid* version of the handbook on the wiki now? | 17:40 |
| ace_suares | sbalneav: and where is it if it's there? | 17:40 |
| sbalneav | I know of no version of the handbook on the wiki. The handbook was always a docbook document. | 17:41 |
| ace_suares | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Documentation/Handbook what about this ? | 17:41 |
| ace_suares | or this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuHandbook/EdgyOutline | 17:41 |
| ace_suares | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Background or this | 17:42 |
| sbalneav | The first one just outlines contributing | 17:42 |
| sbalneav | the cookbooks were older. | 17:42 |
| ace_suares | yeah we can keep that and update it. | 17:42 |
| sbalneav | the link from the last real work is the link on the first page: | 17:43 |
| ace_suares | so the cookbook has no value anymore? | 17:43 |
| sbalneav | http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ | 17:43 |
| nubae_ | thats the one | 17:43 |
| ace_suares | yeah that is on doc.ubuntu..com and I am not touching that | 17:43 |
| nubae_ | I took that as the base for the ltsp handbook | 17:43 |
| sbalneav | which is the HTML transliteration of the work I did organizing for edgy. | 17:43 |
| sbalneav | The .debs of which are in my ppa | 17:44 |
| ace_suares | can we say that all 'handbook' and 'cookbook' stuff on the wiki is not valid anymore (except the general 'how to contribute' and such pages) ? | 17:44 |
| sbalneav | nubae_: right, because at one time the only valid LTSP documentation was what I threw together for edgy. | 17:44 |
| nubae_ | yep | 17:44 |
| sbalneav | with your work, we got that separated out. | 17:44 |
| sbalneav | ace_suares: I'd say so, yes. | 17:44 |
| ace_suares | Becaue if that is so, I will put them all in special category and clean it up (without loosing info before the meetin has decided on the approach). | 17:45 |
| nubae_ | so I stripped out all the ltsp stuff, but kinda neglected the edubuntu specific stuff | 17:45 |
| nubae_ | it just got dumped | 17:45 |
| sbalneav | right. So what we can do is go back to my package, strip out the LTSP stuff, and just keep the edu and installing stuff | 17:45 |
| nubae_ | looking back, should have done both :-) | 17:45 |
| nubae_ | beauty of hindsight | 17:45 |
| nubae_ | yeah | 17:45 |
| ace_suares | pretty cool. i'll clean up the wiki then before the meeting regarding handbook and cookbook, so we can then discuss soon how to approach the new handbook. | 17:46 |
| sbalneav | We've got thr ltsp manual which we can package, and we can just cross link between the two. | 17:46 |
| ace_suares | Thos were my questions! | 17:46 |
| sbalneav | what would be COOL is, if ace gets the wiki sorted, then we can refer to SPECIFIC information in the wiki , which keeps the handbook, which is more static, up to date. | 17:46 |
| ace_suares | +1 | 17:47 |
| ace_suares | gotta eat now I'll catch up later. | 17:47 |
| sbalneav | ok | 17:47 |
| alkisg1 | sbalneav: congrats for the sabayon@karmic thing :) You rocks :D | 17:48 |
| nubae_ | alkisg1, did u know u can use kiwi to make non opensuse images too? | 17:49 |
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| nubae_ | u can make exact fatcopies of debian/ubuntu/fedora | 17:50 |
| alkisg | nubae_: erm... gimme an example | 17:50 |
| nubae_ | all running off same machine | 17:50 |
| nubae_ | managed with smart | 17:50 |
| alkisg | But still, I won't be able to directly maintain the image, will I? | 17:50 |
| nubae_ | might be worth looking at... opensuse folks might do a fedora port just to show proof | 17:50 |
| nubae_ | yeah through smart | 17:51 |
| nubae_ | or u mean in real time? | 17:51 |
| nubae_ | in real time no... but directly sure | 17:51 |
| alkisg | I mean with the usual tools for administration | 17:51 |
| nubae_ | smart package manager | 17:51 |
| alkisg | E.g. can I use sabayon to lock things down in the image? | 17:51 |
| nubae_ | its like synaptic | 17:51 |
| alkisg | Can I use gconf-editor to modify things inside the image? | 17:52 |
| nubae_ | sure, y wouldnt u be able to install whateber u want | 17:52 |
| alkisg | It's not only about installing packages... | 17:52 |
| alkisg | No, I mean, how would I use gconf-editor to modify /path/to/image/etc/gconfd/mandatory settings ? | 17:53 |
| nubae_ | on #ltsp, ask cyberorg more about kiwi... he knows much more than I | 17:53 |
| alkisg | I've been trying my approach for fat clients, | 17:53 |
| alkisg | and I'm now able to boot any number of clients from 1 desktop pc with just dnsmasq + 2 init scripts in it | 17:53 |
| alkisg | I'm going to package it soon and ask for opinions | 17:54 |
| nubae_ | any number of clients? how many u tried with? | 17:54 |
| alkisg | 3 :) | 17:54 |
| alkisg | But it's just nfs, it's been used a lot, I don't think there will be a problem with it | 17:54 |
| alkisg | nfs support is hardwired into the initscripts, maybe more that any other remote filesystem | 17:54 |
| alkisg | So I can maintain a single desktop PC, and boot all the classroom pcs from its hard disk. The easiest way to maintain a lab I've ever seen. | 17:56 |
| nubae_ | hmmm nfs was not made to multitask large amounts of data like that though | 17:59 |
| nubae_ | Id need to see it working on at least 20 concurrently to be convinced | 18:00 |
| alkisg | It's just hard disk data, much, much lower than screen data | 18:00 |
| alkisg | nubae_: do you have access to such a lab, to try it out, when I package it? Only dnsmasq + 2 initscripts will be installed... | 18:01 |
| alkisg | Unfortunately, my labs are really low-end | 18:01 |
| highvoltage | ace_suares: pong | 18:02 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: ooh, glad it made it into karmic | 18:03 |
| nubae_ | sorry just locked myself out of my house but was lucky enough to use the credit card trick to open the door | 18:32 |
| nubae_ | alkisg, yeah I have a special test lab with multiple computer types | 18:33 |
| nubae_ | from 2002-2009 | 18:33 |
| nubae_ | its our test centre at guadalinex | 18:33 |
| alkisg | Perfect. | 18:33 |
| alkisg | 100mbps? | 18:33 |
| nubae_ | and gigabit | 18:34 |
| nubae_ | we can set it how we like | 18:34 |
| nubae_ | but we do use hardware based virtualisation too, dont know how that will affect | 18:34 |
| alkisg | Well it will clone one "example" pc, whichever you want | 18:34 |
| alkisg | So if you install it in a PC with vbox installed, all clients will have vbox installed | 18:35 |
| alkisg | I tried it, it worked fine | 18:35 |
| nubae_ | anyway, we are looking for a solution like that so... can even do it during work hours | 18:35 |
| nubae_ | well this is hardware based kvm... guess its irrelevant | 18:35 |
| alkisg | Are you OK with dnsmasq as a dependency, or do you want me to allow tftp/dhcp3-server? But in this case you'll have to do a few things manually.. | 18:36 |
| nubae_ | so yeah send me the script and ill test it tomorrow | 18:36 |
| nubae_ | I can test both ways | 18:36 |
| alkisg | No it's not ready yet for non-manual testing. Let me package it correctly first, with autodetection, account (=pc) creation etc | 18:36 |
| nubae_ | just make sure u give me relatively specific instructions | 18:36 |
| alkisg | It'll take me a few days to finish it | 18:37 |
| nubae_ | ok... so need to just follow your instructions then u mean? | 18:37 |
| nubae_ | or u want me to wait for your scripts? | 18:37 |
| alkisg | When I finish it, I hope that all you have to do is install it. No instructions unless you hit a bug or something. | 18:37 |
| alkisg | Wait :) | 18:38 |
| alkisg | I'll send you a mail when I have it ready | 18:39 |
| nubae_ | ok :-/ | 18:39 |
| nubae_ | :-( | 18:39 |
| alkisg | You _can_ try it now, but you'll need to do a lot of things manually | 18:39 |
| * nubae_ is anxious to test this after so much talking about it :p | 18:39 | |
| alkisg | So you'll just get frustrated :-/ | 18:39 |
| nubae_ | sure, thats ok... I need to do something at work | 18:39 |
| nubae_ | and my pyclic app is pretty much done | 18:40 |
| alkisg | OK ping me tomorrow morning, at least gimme the evening to wrap it up | 18:40 |
| nubae_ | python rocks so much... I really wonder how I lived without it now | 18:40 |
| nubae_ | ok | 18:40 |
| nubae_ | I get in to work at 8... so I'll ping u then :p | 18:40 |
| nubae_ | hey, if it works out, u'll have your stuff running in thousands of Spanish schools | 18:41 |
| nubae_ | ;-) | 18:41 |
| alkisg | Heh. No, it'll need *a lot* of debugging before going to production | 18:42 |
| nubae_ | yeah I know :-) | 18:42 |
| nubae_ | I'm just getting you psyched.... | 18:42 |
| alkisg | The major pain is finding which dirs need to be writable... | 18:42 |
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| Nubae | alkisg, did I tell u I am a opensuse member now :p ? | 18:43 |
| alkisg | Nope! Is that the equivelant of an ubuntu member? | 18:43 |
| Nubae | yep | 18:43 |
| alkisg | Nubae ftw! :) | 18:43 |
| Nubae | well even better... get much more 'power' | 18:43 |
| alkisg | ...and in the Friday you'll be an edubuntu member as well... /me wonders if he has to try to become a member some day :) | 18:44 |
| Nubae | funny, so I'll have @opensuse.org email, @ubuntu.org email | 18:44 |
| alkisg | I wonder if they have good spam filters | 18:45 |
| Nubae | yeah y not, I thought u already were | 18:45 |
| Nubae | hehe | 18:45 |
| alkisg | Nah... I help here at the irc, and do a lot of stuff for the greek community, but I haven't contributed much upstream or in wikies yet | 18:45 |
| Nubae | well u've done enough... Lns is a member | 18:45 |
| Nubae | and u contributed about as much or more than him | 18:46 |
| alkisg | Lns did a lot of work in the wiki, though | 18:46 |
| Nubae | specially with your apps | 18:46 |
| Nubae | yeah he did | 18:46 |
| Nubae | hehe, I guess I am a guadalinex member too, and sugar member | 18:47 |
| alkisg | ...well I'm ok with myself, I think I've done enough this year that I am windows-free :) Next year I'll do better :) | 18:47 |
| Nubae | have emails for all of them... bit ridiculous really | 18:47 |
| alkisg | Yeah too many emails are more trouble than helpful | 18:48 |
| Nubae | spam magnet | 18:48 |
| Nubae | one thing u can help with is linux-for-education.org, its a moodle install that is meant to be for all the distros working together | 18:49 |
| Nubae | u could put a howto for your project there | 18:49 |
| Nubae | I'm just writing an LTSP on opensuse one right now | 18:49 |
| alkisg | Can that be used in multilingual projects? | 18:49 |
| Nubae | yes, thats the idea | 18:49 |
| Nubae | I'm restructuring so toplevel is languages | 18:50 |
| Nubae | even have some Taiwanese guy wanting to collaborate | 18:50 |
| Nubae | anyway, I'll add Greek too | 18:51 |
| alkisg | We were looking on where to put some kturtle lessons... we put it at the ubuntu-gr loco site, but an edu-based site would be better | 18:51 |
| Nubae | I guess it makes sense to have the top level in the actual language itself | 18:51 |
| Nubae | so Deutsch and not German | 18:51 |
| Nubae | what would Greek be? | 18:51 |
| Nubae | :) | 18:52 |
| alkisg | Ooouch :) Ελληνικά | 18:52 |
| Nubae | ok... no problem | 18:53 |
| Nubae | I plan to bring it up on Friday, but would be good if there is already some stuff up there so can say, edubuntu and opensuse-edu folks are ALREADY collaborating to bring together the largest source of open learning materails for linux :-) | 18:54 |
| alkisg | Umm I'll try to tell teachers here to use it, but I don't think they'll manage to get anything up till Friday... | 18:55 |
| Nubae | when u create a user, let me know so I can give u admin priveledges to be able to upload courses, create subsections, etc | 18:55 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: [ubuntu/karmic] sabayon 2.27.91-0ubuntu1 (Accepted) | 18:56 |
| Nubae | hehe, right, but just one example would be good | 18:56 |
| Nubae | a skeleton they can follow | 18:56 |
| alkisg | Nubae: ok - let's leave this for the next week, to push "twins" forward a little... | 18:56 |
| Nubae | yup | 18:56 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: \o/ | 18:56 |
| Nubae | alkisg, take a look at this: http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/KIWI/Cookbook | 19:01 |
| Nubae | gonna turn that into a moodle course too | 19:01 |
| alkisg | Nubae: nice! ...and looks useful, too! :P | 19:02 |
| Nubae | well it is... have a read... u might even be able to combine it with what u are doing | 19:02 |
| Nubae | as in the case u wanted images for different oses running off the same machine | 19:03 |
| Nubae | I dunno... just an idea.. though I'm totally guessing since I dont even know what your stuff does exactly yet :-) | 19:03 |
| alkisg | No the main idea is *not* to have any images | 19:05 |
| alkisg | E.g. if you want 3 different OSes, you keep them in 3 different PCs | 19:05 |
| alkisg | Goal: lab administration == desktop PC administration | 19:06 |
| alkisg | OK, back to packaging... | 19:06 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: I see on launchapad you've had some uploads to gutsy before as well | 19:11 |
| Nubae | alkisg, can u paste me Courses in greek, or greek courses, in greek | 19:13 |
| alkisg | Nubae: Μαθήματα στα Ελληνικά | 19:13 |
| sbalneav | highvoltage: Yeah. Most of my work is upstream | 19:15 |
| Nubae | alkisg, ok its there toplevel | 19:16 |
| Nubae | u'll have to edit the description a bit...right now its just a c opy of the category | 19:16 |
| alkisg | Wow.. that was fast :) | 19:17 |
| Nubae | moodle rocks to edit | 19:18 |
| Nubae | have u got a user there? | 19:18 |
| alkisg | Nubae: so anyone is able to create an account and upload content? | 19:18 |
| Nubae | well, an admin has to enable them to be a course creator | 19:19 |
| alkisg | Good | 19:19 |
| Nubae | but our policy is quite relaxed, no massive background checks | 19:19 |
| Nubae | :-) | 19:19 |
| Nubae | i left it neglected a bit for the last months... | 19:20 |
| alkisg | And opensuse-edu funds the hosting? | 19:20 |
| Nubae | gonna give another go at growing it... but really, community help is best for that | 19:20 |
| Nubae | yep | 19:20 |
| Nubae | novell pays for it! | 19:20 |
| alkisg | So I guess it'll be there for at least a few years... sounds good. | 19:21 |
| Nubae | yes it will and its gotten very good reviews so far, though needs to grow significantly | 19:21 |
| alkisg | Is the server kinda slow? I can't get the signup page to load completely | 19:23 |
| alkisg | Ah ok it was chrome's fault | 19:24 |
| Nubae | hmm, its usually very fast | 19:24 |
| Nubae | heh, I think there is even a howto install chrome course there | 19:25 |
| alkisg | A "how to make chrome not-suck" would be more useful, though :) | 19:26 |
| Nubae | hehe yeah | 19:26 |
| Nubae | so, the way I have it subcategorised in English is, subjects under Courses in English | 19:27 |
| Nubae | and inside ICT, I have Fedora based, Suse based, Ubuntu based, etc | 19:27 |
| Nubae | try and copy the structure in greek where relevant | 19:27 |
| Nubae | when u are a user let me know so I can give u the priveledges | 19:28 |
| alkisg | I'm waiting for the account creation mail | 19:28 |
| Nubae | oh, can confirm u atuomatically, if the mail doesnt come let me know... cause could be a problem there | 19:29 |
| Nubae | ok, confirmed u | 19:30 |
| Nubae | u can login now | 19:30 |
| Nubae | and u are now an admin | 19:32 |
| alkisg | Danke! :) | 19:32 |
| Nubae | you may need to log out to get privs.... | 19:32 |
| Nubae | when u login, ull see on the right create courses/categories | 19:33 |
| Nubae | go wild there... | 19:33 |
| alkisg | I'm gonna send an email in the greek teachers list, and if people are interested, I'll try to organize it in the next weeks | 19:33 |
| Nubae | excellent | 19:33 |
| alkisg | But if they aren't, I'll focus on development :-/ | 19:33 |
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| Nubae | :-( Well the should be interested in having a common place to keep all lesson plans | 19:34 |
| Nubae | as far as I know... this is the best option at the moment | 19:34 |
| sbalneav | Has anyone looked at the bug lists lately? I'm going to spend some time before karmic on general bugfixes. Now that sabayon's at least in a useable state, I was wondering if anyone else had any showstoppers they'd like looked at? | 19:35 |
| alkisg | sbalneav: the ldm-hanging-at-logout bug - but it seems to be fixed with the "close" instead of "read" patch | 19:37 |
| sbalneav | alkisg: yeah, I added a thread which consumes any output generated during the session, and stgraber added the close. | 19:38 |
| sbalneav | I was thinking some of the more neglected areas of edubuntu | 19:39 |
| alkisg | Nice, that one was a little critical | 19:39 |
| sbalneav | like, say, the educational apps :) | 19:39 |
| Nubae | well... one thing we absolutely need to do is create the extras meta package | 19:40 |
| Nubae | the one with uni and multiverse apps in it | 19:40 |
| Nubae | to expand the edu offerings | 19:40 |
| Nubae | we've been talking about it for nearly a year now and still have nothing | 19:41 |
| Nubae | I have a list of apps I studied to make sure they worked ok and would be intereting to the edu community... u want me to send it your way sbalneav ? | 19:41 |
| sbalneav | Well, I've never created a meta package, but send it my way, and I can try creating one. | 19:46 |
| sbalneav | I can stick it in my ppa, then see if we can get it sponsored | 19:46 |
| ogra | thats not really how metapackages work | 19:47 |
| ogra | you need toi create a seed first | 19:47 |
| ogra | then make germinate read that seed, then you can add the seed to the existing edubuntu-meta package | 19:48 |
| ogra | which will spit out what you need | 19:48 |
| * ogra really thinks that should be left to LaserJock, he has experience | 19:48 | |
| alkisg | Another area would be the educational-menus == different gnome menus per (student) group | 19:51 |
| ogra | that exists ... it lacks gui integration | 19:52 |
| Nubae | well, he can download the source of an existing meta package | 19:52 |
| Nubae | its not all that hard | 19:52 |
| ogra | Nubae, ?? | 19:52 |
| Nubae | laserjock already created -primary -secondary, -tertiary, etc | 19:52 |
| ogra | the source doesnt give you anything and if you do it worng it breaks the CD building | 19:52 |
| ogra | you need to commit apps and the like to the seeds | 19:53 |
| Nubae | I took a look into it a while back | 19:53 |
| ogra | they rule what shows up in the metapackage if the update script is run | 19:53 |
| Nubae | yeah I know... he can download those from launchpad | 19:53 |
| ogra | right | 19:53 |
| ogra | but changing the metapackage source wont gain you a bit | 19:54 |
| ogra | the seeds are the essential bit | 19:54 |
| Nubae | I'm all for laserjock doing it, but he may not be around for a while, he's probably quite busy with real life stuff | 19:54 |
| Nubae | right, I meant looking at the seeds | 19:54 |
| ogra | you can indeed just branch them and make your changes ass you like | 19:55 |
| Nubae | think I used the seeds to see what apps were installed in the different distros (hardy, intrepid, jaunty) | 19:56 |
| Nubae | to create the apps list for the website | 19:56 |
| alkisg | Ah, on topic, is there any way to check which packages (and versions) are preinstalled in each ubuntu version? | 19:59 |
| alkisg | E.g. how can I see if dnsmasq-base is preinstalled in hardy? | 20:00 |
| sbalneav | dpkg -l | grep dnsmasq | 20:02 |
| sbalneav | oh | 20:02 |
| alkisg | I mean, if I *don't* have hardy :) | 20:02 |
| sbalneav | ah, I see | 20:02 |
| alkisg | With seeds or something... | 20:03 |
| sbalneav | "Hey, person who's running hardy, could you run dpkg -l | grep dnsmasq and tell me what it says?" | 20:03 |
| sbalneav | That's how *I*'d do it :) | 20:03 |
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| sbalneav | FYI, no it's not :) | 20:04 |
| alkisg | -base? | 20:04 |
| alkisg | dpkg -l 'dnsmasq*' | 20:04 |
| sbalneav | sbalneav@feniks:~$ dpkg -l | grep dnsmasq | 20:04 |
| sbalneav | sbalneav@feniks:~$ dpkg -l 'dnsmasq*' | 20:04 |
| sbalneav | No packages found matching dnsmasq*. | 20:04 |
| sbalneav | sbalneav@feniks:~$ | 20:04 |
| alkisg | Hum. Well... they'd have to install it :) In Jaunty/Karmic it is. | 20:05 |
| alkisg | Thanks! | 20:05 |
| sbalneav | NP | 20:05 |
| * alkisg notes that method down as an official workaround :D | 20:06 | |
| sbalneav | Any old port in a storm :) | 20:06 |
| sbalneav | I beleive it was Alexander the Great, a greek of some small repute, who unravelled the gordion knot | 20:08 |
| sbalneav | I think we just did that here :) | 20:08 |
| alkisg | Well... instead of unravelling it, he just cut it in half. Hmmm, yeah, that's what we did too :) | 20:09 |
| sbalneav | 3 months ago I finished reading another biography of Alexander. | 20:13 |
| sbalneav | Just a story about a man and his horse (Beucephalous) | 20:14 |
| sbalneav | I've always wanted to travel to Greece. Fascinating place. | 20:14 |
| alkisg | How know how it is... and I've always wanted to travel to the US, to Canada etc... | 20:16 |
| alkisg | But I think the the friends you see wherever you go are more important than the places you visit | 20:17 |
| sbalneav | Well, by far the best is to see the places with the friends you love :) | 20:18 |
| sbalneav | Hence, if you ever come to Canada, you're welcome to stay at Casa de Balneaves :) | 20:19 |
| sbalneav | But winnipeg's pretty boring. Known mainly for being flat :) | 20:19 |
| sbalneav | We have a joke here in the prairies. "It's so flat here you can watch your dog run away for 3 days" | 20:20 |
| alkisg | Heh. My town is the exact opposite | 20:26 |
| alkisg | Mountains all around | 20:26 |
| alkisg | We have an empty appartment below mine, so if you're into mountains, feel free to come either alone or with your family | 20:32 |
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| tazz | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kdeedu/+bug/419498 this is a easy one, can someone please confirm this bug ? | 22:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 419498 in kdeedu "(kdeedu package) step tries to load non-existent files" [Undecided,New] | 22:24 |
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