[13:17] <chungur> Hi
[13:19] <alkisg> Hello
[13:20] <chungur> I would like to chat with some representative from Edubuntu in private
[13:27] <sbalneav> chungur: What, an official representitive? :)  Don't think we have one.  It's probably best to say whatever you need to say in here.
[13:29] <Nubae> he messaged me in private by name, but nothing further :-)
[13:31] <highvoltage> we're talking in pvt at the moment
[13:34] <sbalneav> Oooh, very cloak and dagger, be sure to let us know what transpires, Mr. "Official Representitve" :)
[13:35] <sbalneav> bbiab
[17:24] <ace_suares> highvoltage: ping
[17:25] <sbalneav> Morning ace
[17:25] <ace_suares> hi sbalneav, how's the coding coming along?
[17:26] <sbalneav> Well, my ppa failed me, but stgraber took my work and submitted it for me.
[17:26] <sbalneav>  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-August/007310.html
[17:26] <sbalneav> so it's at least made it into karmic
[17:27] <ace_suares> very good!
[17:27] <sbalneav> Now I just need to get something going for the handbook
[17:27] <ace_suares> oh yeah that would be swell.
[17:27] <ace_suares> How can I help ?
[17:30] <ace_suares> sbalneav: lets just discuss it at the meeting friday okay...
[17:32] <sbalneav> How much do you know about docbook?
[17:32] <sbalneav> If nothing else, having standardized pages on the wiki that the handbook can point to would be fine.
[17:33] <ace_suares> i know noting about docbook but I once knew nothing about PHP, Linux, RoR, OpenLdap, postfix, qmail, qmail-ldap, djbdns, apache, nginx, mailman ... so I can learn.
[17:34] <ace_suares> If you have 5 minutes of FULL attention, I would like to ask you a few questions, if not, another time.
[17:35] <nubae_> u dont really need to know anything about docbook
[17:35] <nubae_> its more about respecting the xml tags
[17:35] <ace_suares> hi nubae_
[17:35] <nubae_> so edit in an editor that doesnt try to import docbook
[17:36] <nubae_> I learnt that lesson the hard way, and sbalneav spent a good week correcting my mistakes
[17:36] <nubae_> hi ace_suares :-)
[17:36] <nubae_> I tried to open the docbook format in open office, which is supposed to understand it, but doesnt of course
[17:36] <ace_suares> On the wiki there are lot of handbook pages. like this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Documentation/Handbook
[17:37] <ace_suares> and this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuHandbook/EdgyOutline
[17:37] <ace_suares> it all seems like a mess.
[17:37] <nubae_> it is
[17:37] <sbalneav> ace_suares: I'm all ears
[17:37] <nubae_> basically take the edubuntu cookbook
[17:37] <nubae_> thats the only one worth anything
[17:38] <nubae_> and strip out the ltsp stuff
[17:38] <ace_suares> For me it would be godd to scrap all that sh*t at some point and start with something fresh that will actulaly *have* a structure.
[17:38] <nubae_> yeah
[17:38] <nubae_> btw... have u guys seen linux-for-education.org?
[17:38] <sbalneav> nubae_: It wasn't that big a deal.  It got fixed
[17:38] <ace_suares> So what I would need is an inventarisations of handbook/cookbook pages and then decide which can go, be redirected, or should be moved to a new site.
[17:39] <nubae_> its a moodle site that we created, and is partly sponsored by opensuse
[17:39] <nubae_> but it would be cool if all distros were to help out with it
[17:39] <ace_suares> oh yeah io saw that it's pretty cool but a bit empty
[17:39] <nubae_> right
[17:39] <nubae_> can u help fill it :-)
[17:39] <ace_suares> haha i am not IN education really
[17:39] <nubae_> it would be nice to be joint edubuntu/opensuse-edu project to start with
[17:40] <ace_suares> I ma just tryin gto get schools to use Free Software.
[17:40] <nubae_> well edubuntu is education
[17:40] <nubae_> right...
[17:40] <sbalneav> ace_suares: What's your questions?
[17:40] <ace_suares> sbalneav: Is there a *valid* version of the handbook on the wiki now?
[17:40] <ace_suares> sbalneav: and where is it if it's there?
[17:41] <sbalneav> I know of no version of the handbook on the wiki.  The handbook was always a docbook document.
[17:41] <ace_suares> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Documentation/Handbook what about this ?
[17:41] <ace_suares> or this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuHandbook/EdgyOutline
[17:42] <ace_suares> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Background or this
[17:42] <sbalneav> The first one just outlines contributing
[17:42] <sbalneav> the cookbooks were older.
[17:42] <ace_suares> yeah we can keep that and update it.
[17:43] <sbalneav> the link from the last real work is the link on the first page:
[17:43] <ace_suares> so the cookbook has no value anymore?
[17:43] <sbalneav> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/
[17:43] <nubae_> thats the one
[17:43] <ace_suares> yeah that is on doc.ubuntu..com and I am not touching that
[17:43] <nubae_> I took that as the base for the ltsp handbook
[17:43] <sbalneav> which is the HTML transliteration of the work I did organizing for edgy.
[17:44] <sbalneav> The .debs of which are in my ppa
[17:44] <ace_suares> can we say that all 'handbook' and 'cookbook' stuff on the wiki is not valid anymore (except the general 'how to contribute' and such pages) ?
[17:44] <sbalneav> nubae_: right, because at one time the only valid LTSP documentation was what I threw together for edgy.
[17:44] <nubae_> yep
[17:44] <sbalneav> with your work, we got that separated out.
[17:44] <sbalneav> ace_suares: I'd say so, yes.
[17:45] <ace_suares> Becaue if that is so, I will put them all in special category and clean it up (without loosing info before the meetin has decided on the approach).
[17:45] <nubae_> so I stripped out all the ltsp stuff, but kinda neglected the edubuntu specific stuff
[17:45] <nubae_> it just got dumped
[17:45] <sbalneav> right.  So what we can do is go back to my package, strip out the LTSP stuff, and just keep the edu and installing stuff
[17:45] <nubae_> looking back, should have done both :-)
[17:45] <nubae_> beauty of hindsight
[17:45] <nubae_> yeah
[17:46] <ace_suares> pretty cool. i'll clean up the wiki then before the meeting regarding handbook and cookbook, so we can then discuss soon how to approach the new handbook.
[17:46] <sbalneav> We've got thr ltsp manual which we can package, and we can just cross link between the two.
[17:46] <ace_suares> Thos were my questions!
[17:46] <sbalneav> what would be COOL is, if ace gets the wiki sorted, then we can refer to SPECIFIC information in the wiki , which keeps the handbook, which is more static, up to date.
[17:47] <ace_suares> +1
[17:47] <ace_suares> gotta eat now I'll catch up later.
[17:47] <sbalneav> ok
[17:48] <alkisg1> sbalneav: congrats for the sabayon@karmic thing :) You rocks :D
[17:49] <nubae_> alkisg1, did u know u can use kiwi to make non opensuse images too?
[17:50] <nubae_> u can make exact fatcopies of debian/ubuntu/fedora
[17:50] <alkisg> nubae_: erm... gimme an example
[17:50] <nubae_> all running off same machine
[17:50] <nubae_> managed with smart
[17:50] <alkisg> But still, I won't be able to directly maintain the image, will I?
[17:50] <nubae_> might be worth looking at... opensuse folks might do a fedora port just to show proof
[17:51] <nubae_> yeah through smart
[17:51] <nubae_> or u mean in real time?
[17:51] <nubae_> in real time no... but directly sure
[17:51] <alkisg> I mean with the usual tools for administration
[17:51] <nubae_> smart package manager
[17:51] <alkisg> E.g. can I use sabayon to lock things down in the image?
[17:51] <nubae_> its like synaptic
[17:52] <alkisg> Can I use gconf-editor to modify things inside the image?
[17:52] <nubae_> sure, y wouldnt u be able to install whateber u want
[17:52] <alkisg> It's not only about installing packages...
[17:53] <alkisg> No, I mean, how would I use gconf-editor to modify /path/to/image/etc/gconfd/mandatory settings ?
[17:53] <nubae_> on #ltsp, ask cyberorg more about kiwi... he knows much more than I
[17:53] <alkisg> I've been trying my approach for fat clients,
[17:53] <alkisg> and I'm now able to boot any number of clients from 1 desktop pc with just dnsmasq + 2 init scripts in it
[17:54] <alkisg> I'm going to package it soon and ask for opinions
[17:54] <nubae_> any number of clients? how many u tried with?
[17:54] <alkisg> 3 :)
[17:54] <alkisg> But it's just nfs, it's been used a lot, I don't think there will be a problem with it
[17:54] <alkisg> nfs support is hardwired into the initscripts, maybe more that any other remote filesystem
[17:56] <alkisg> So I can maintain a single desktop PC, and boot all the classroom pcs from its hard disk. The easiest way to maintain a lab I've ever seen.
[17:59] <nubae_> hmmm nfs was not made to multitask large amounts of data like that though
[18:00] <nubae_> Id need to see it working on at least 20 concurrently to be convinced
[18:00] <alkisg> It's just hard disk data, much, much lower than screen data
[18:01] <alkisg> nubae_: do you have access to such a lab, to try it out, when I package it? Only dnsmasq + 2 initscripts will be installed...
[18:01] <alkisg> Unfortunately, my labs are really low-end
[18:02] <highvoltage> ace_suares: pong
[18:03] <highvoltage> sbalneav: ooh, glad it made it into karmic
[18:32] <nubae_>  sorry just locked myself out of my house but was lucky enough to use the credit card trick to open the door
[18:33] <nubae_> alkisg, yeah I have a special test lab with multiple computer types
[18:33] <nubae_> from 2002-2009
[18:33] <nubae_> its our test centre at guadalinex
[18:33] <alkisg> Perfect.
[18:33] <alkisg> 100mbps?
[18:34] <nubae_> and gigabit
[18:34] <nubae_> we can set it how we like
[18:34] <nubae_> but we do use hardware based virtualisation too, dont know how that will affect
[18:34] <alkisg> Well it will clone one "example" pc, whichever you want
[18:35] <alkisg> So if you install it in a PC with vbox installed, all clients will have vbox installed
[18:35] <alkisg> I tried it, it worked fine
[18:35] <nubae_> anyway, we are looking for a solution like that so... can even do it during work hours
[18:35] <nubae_> well this is hardware based kvm... guess its irrelevant
[18:36] <alkisg> Are you OK with dnsmasq as a dependency, or do you want me to allow tftp/dhcp3-server? But in this case you'll have to do a few things manually..
[18:36] <nubae_> so yeah send me the script and ill test it tomorrow
[18:36] <nubae_> I can test both ways
[18:36] <alkisg> No it's not ready yet for non-manual testing. Let me package it correctly first, with autodetection, account (=pc) creation etc
[18:36] <nubae_> just make sure u give me relatively specific instructions
[18:37] <alkisg> It'll take me a few days to finish it
[18:37] <nubae_> ok... so need to just follow your instructions then u mean?
[18:37] <nubae_> or u want me to wait for your scripts?
[18:37] <alkisg> When I finish it, I hope that all you have to do is install it. No instructions unless you hit a bug or something.
[18:38] <alkisg> Wait :)
[18:39] <alkisg> I'll send you a mail when I have it ready
[18:39] <nubae_> ok :-/
[18:39] <nubae_> :-(
[18:39] <alkisg> You _can_ try it now, but you'll need to do a lot of things manually
[18:39]  * nubae_ is anxious to test this after so much talking about it :p
[18:39] <alkisg> So you'll just get frustrated :-/
[18:39] <nubae_> sure, thats ok... I need to do something at work
[18:40] <nubae_> and my pyclic app is pretty much done
[18:40] <alkisg> OK ping me tomorrow morning, at least gimme the evening to wrap it up
[18:40] <nubae_> python rocks so much... I really wonder how I lived without it now
[18:40] <nubae_> ok
[18:40] <nubae_> I get in to work at 8... so I'll ping u then :p
[18:41] <nubae_> hey, if it works out, u'll have your stuff running in thousands of Spanish schools
[18:41] <nubae_> ;-)
[18:42] <alkisg> Heh. No, it'll need *a lot* of debugging before going to production
[18:42] <nubae_> yeah I know :-)
[18:42] <nubae_> I'm just getting you psyched....
[18:42] <alkisg> The major pain is finding which dirs need to be writable...
[18:43] <Nubae> alkisg, did I tell u I am a opensuse member now :p ?
[18:43] <alkisg> Nope! Is that the equivelant of an ubuntu member?
[18:43] <Nubae> yep
[18:43] <alkisg> Nubae ftw! :)
[18:43] <Nubae> well even better... get much more 'power'
[18:44] <alkisg> ...and in the Friday you'll be an edubuntu member as well... /me wonders if he has to try to become a member some day :)
[18:44] <Nubae> funny, so I'll have @opensuse.org email, @ubuntu.org email
[18:45] <alkisg> I wonder if they have good spam filters
[18:45] <Nubae> yeah y not, I thought u already were
[18:45] <Nubae> hehe
[18:45] <alkisg> Nah... I help here at the irc, and do a lot of stuff for the greek community, but I haven't contributed much upstream or in wikies yet
[18:45] <Nubae> well u've done enough... Lns is a member
[18:46] <Nubae> and u contributed about as much or more than him
[18:46] <alkisg> Lns did a lot of work in the wiki, though
[18:46] <Nubae> specially with your apps
[18:46] <Nubae> yeah he did
[18:47] <Nubae> hehe, I guess I am a guadalinex member too, and sugar member
[18:47] <alkisg> ...well I'm ok with myself, I think I've done enough this year that I am windows-free :) Next year I'll do better :)
[18:47] <Nubae> have emails for all of them... bit ridiculous really
[18:48] <alkisg> Yeah too many emails are more trouble than helpful
[18:48] <Nubae> spam magnet
[18:49] <Nubae> one thing u can help with is linux-for-education.org, its a moodle install that is meant to be for all the distros working together
[18:49] <Nubae> u could put a howto for your project there
[18:49] <Nubae> I'm just writing an LTSP on opensuse one right now
[18:49] <alkisg> Can that be used in multilingual projects?
[18:49] <Nubae> yes, thats the idea
[18:50] <Nubae> I'm restructuring so toplevel is languages
[18:50] <Nubae> even have some Taiwanese guy wanting to collaborate
[18:51] <Nubae> anyway, I'll add Greek too
[18:51] <alkisg> We were looking on where to put some kturtle lessons... we put it at the ubuntu-gr loco site, but an edu-based site would be better
[18:51] <Nubae> I guess it makes sense to have the top level in the actual language itself
[18:51] <Nubae> so Deutsch and not German
[18:51] <Nubae> what would Greek be?
[18:52] <Nubae> :)
[18:52] <alkisg> Ooouch :) Ελληνικά
[18:53] <Nubae> ok... no problem
[18:54] <Nubae> I plan to bring it up on Friday, but would be good if there is already some stuff up there so can say, edubuntu and opensuse-edu folks are ALREADY collaborating to bring together the largest source of open learning materails  for linux :-)
[18:55] <alkisg> Umm I'll try to tell teachers here to use it, but I don't think they'll manage to get anything up till Friday...
[18:55] <Nubae> when u create a user, let me know so I can give u admin priveledges to be able to upload courses, create subsections, etc
[18:56] <highvoltage> sbalneav: [ubuntu/karmic] sabayon 2.27.91-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[18:56] <Nubae> hehe, right, but just one example would be good
[18:56] <Nubae> a skeleton they can follow
[18:56] <alkisg> Nubae: ok - let's leave this for the next week, to push "twins" forward a little...
[18:56] <Nubae> yup
[18:56] <highvoltage> sbalneav: \o/
[19:01] <Nubae> alkisg, take a look at this: http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/KIWI/Cookbook
[19:01] <Nubae> gonna turn that into a moodle course too
[19:02] <alkisg> Nubae: nice! ...and looks useful, too! :P
[19:02] <Nubae> well it is... have a read... u might even be able to combine it with what u are doing
[19:03] <Nubae> as in the case u wanted images for different oses running off the same machine
[19:03] <Nubae> I dunno... just an idea.. though I'm totally guessing since I dont even know what your stuff does exactly yet :-)
[19:05] <alkisg> No the main idea is *not* to have any images
[19:05] <alkisg> E.g. if you want 3 different OSes, you keep them in 3 different PCs
[19:06] <alkisg> Goal: lab administration == desktop PC administration
[19:06] <alkisg> OK, back to packaging...
[19:11] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I see on launchapad you've had some uploads to gutsy before as well
[19:13] <Nubae> alkisg, can u paste me Courses in greek, or greek courses, in greek
[19:13] <alkisg> Nubae: Μαθήματα στα Ελληνικά
[19:15] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Yeah.  Most of my work is upstream
[19:16] <Nubae> alkisg, ok its there toplevel
[19:16] <Nubae> u'll have to edit the description a bit...right now its just a c opy of the category
[19:17] <alkisg> Wow.. that was fast :)
[19:18] <Nubae> moodle rocks to edit
[19:18] <Nubae> have u got a user there?
[19:18] <alkisg> Nubae: so anyone is able to create an account and upload content?
[19:19] <Nubae> well, an admin has to enable them to be a course creator
[19:19] <alkisg> Good
[19:19] <Nubae> but our policy is quite relaxed, no massive background checks
[19:19] <Nubae> :-)
[19:20] <Nubae> i left it neglected a bit for the last months...
[19:20] <alkisg> And opensuse-edu funds the hosting?
[19:20] <Nubae> gonna give another go at growing it... but really, community help is best for that
[19:20] <Nubae> yep
[19:20] <Nubae> novell pays for it!
[19:21] <alkisg> So I guess it'll be there for at least a few years... sounds good.
[19:21] <Nubae> yes it will and its gotten very good reviews so far, though needs to grow significantly
[19:23] <alkisg> Is the server kinda slow? I can't get the signup page to load completely
[19:24] <alkisg> Ah ok it was chrome's fault
[19:24] <Nubae> hmm, its usually very fast
[19:25] <Nubae> heh, I think there is even a howto install chrome course there
[19:26] <alkisg> A "how to make chrome not-suck" would be more useful, though :)
[19:26] <Nubae> hehe yeah
[19:27] <Nubae> so, the way I have it subcategorised in English is, subjects under Courses in English
[19:27] <Nubae> and inside ICT, I have Fedora based, Suse based, Ubuntu based, etc
[19:27] <Nubae> try and copy the structure in greek where relevant
[19:28] <Nubae> when u are a user let me know so I can give u the priveledges
[19:28] <alkisg> I'm waiting for the account creation mail
[19:29] <Nubae> oh, can confirm u atuomatically, if the mail doesnt come let me know... cause could be a problem there
[19:30] <Nubae> ok, confirmed u
[19:30] <Nubae> u can login now
[19:32] <Nubae> and u are now an admin
[19:32] <alkisg> Danke! :)
[19:32] <Nubae> you may need to log out to get privs....
[19:33] <Nubae> when u login, ull see on the right create courses/categories
[19:33] <Nubae> go wild there...
[19:33] <alkisg> I'm gonna send an email in the greek teachers list, and if people are interested, I'll try to organize it in the next weeks
[19:33] <Nubae> excellent
[19:33] <alkisg> But if they aren't, I'll focus on development :-/
[19:34] <Nubae> :-( Well the should be interested in having a common place to keep all lesson plans
[19:34] <Nubae> as far as I know... this is the best option at the moment
[19:35] <sbalneav> Has anyone looked at the bug lists lately?  I'm going to spend some time before karmic on general  bugfixes.  Now that sabayon's at least in a useable state, I was wondering if anyone else had any showstoppers they'd like looked at?
[19:37] <alkisg> sbalneav: the ldm-hanging-at-logout bug - but it seems to be fixed with the "close" instead of "read" patch
[19:38] <sbalneav> alkisg: yeah, I added a thread which consumes any output generated during the session, and stgraber added the close.
[19:39] <sbalneav> I was thinking some of the more neglected areas of edubuntu
[19:39] <alkisg> Nice, that one was a little critical
[19:39] <sbalneav> like, say, the educational apps :)
[19:40] <Nubae> well... one thing we absolutely need to do is create the extras meta package
[19:40] <Nubae> the one with uni and multiverse apps in it
[19:40] <Nubae> to expand the edu offerings
[19:41] <Nubae> we've been talking about it for nearly a year now and still have nothing
[19:41] <Nubae> I have a list of apps I studied to make sure they worked ok and would be intereting to the edu community... u want me to send it your way sbalneav ?
[19:46] <sbalneav> Well, I've never created a meta package, but send it my way, and I can try creating one.
[19:46] <sbalneav> I can stick it in my ppa, then see if we can get it sponsored
[19:47] <ogra> thats not really how metapackages work
[19:47] <ogra> you need toi create a seed first
[19:48] <ogra> then make germinate read that seed, then you can add the seed to the existing edubuntu-meta package
[19:48] <ogra> which will spit out what you need
[19:48]  * ogra really thinks that should be left to LaserJock, he has experience
[19:51] <alkisg> Another area would be the educational-menus == different gnome menus per (student) group
[19:52] <ogra> that exists ... it lacks gui integration
[19:52] <Nubae> well, he can download the source of an existing meta package
[19:52] <Nubae> its not all that hard
[19:52] <ogra> Nubae, ??
[19:52] <Nubae> laserjock already created -primary -secondary, -tertiary, etc
[19:52] <ogra> the source doesnt give you anything and if you do it worng it breaks the CD building
[19:53] <ogra> you need to commit apps and the like to the seeds
[19:53] <Nubae> I took a look into it a while back
[19:53] <ogra> they rule what shows up in the metapackage if the update script is run
[19:53] <Nubae> yeah I know... he can download those from launchpad
[19:53] <ogra> right
[19:54] <ogra> but changing the metapackage source wont gain you a bit
[19:54] <ogra> the seeds are the essential bit
[19:54] <Nubae> I'm all for laserjock doing it, but he may not be around for a while, he's probably quite busy with real life stuff
[19:54] <Nubae> right, I meant looking at the seeds
[19:55] <ogra> you can indeed just branch them and make your changes ass you like
[19:56] <Nubae> think I used the seeds to see what apps were installed in the different distros (hardy, intrepid, jaunty)
[19:56] <Nubae> to create the apps list for the website
[19:59] <alkisg> Ah, on topic, is there any way to check which packages (and versions) are preinstalled in each ubuntu version?
[20:00] <alkisg> E.g. how can I see if dnsmasq-base is preinstalled in hardy?
[20:02] <sbalneav> dpkg -l | grep dnsmasq
[20:02] <sbalneav> oh
[20:02] <alkisg> I mean, if I *don't* have hardy :)
[20:02] <sbalneav> ah, I see
[20:03] <alkisg> With seeds or something...
[20:03] <sbalneav> "Hey, person who's running hardy, could you run dpkg -l | grep dnsmasq and tell me what it says?"
[20:03] <sbalneav> That's how *I*'d do it :)
[20:04] <sbalneav> FYI, no it's not :)
[20:04] <alkisg> -base?
[20:04] <alkisg> dpkg -l 'dnsmasq*'
[20:04] <sbalneav> sbalneav@feniks:~$ dpkg -l | grep dnsmasq
[20:04] <sbalneav> sbalneav@feniks:~$ dpkg -l 'dnsmasq*'
[20:04] <sbalneav> No packages found matching dnsmasq*.
[20:04] <sbalneav> sbalneav@feniks:~$
[20:05] <alkisg> Hum. Well... they'd have to install it :) In Jaunty/Karmic it is.
[20:05] <alkisg> Thanks!
[20:05] <sbalneav> NP
[20:06]  * alkisg notes that method down as an official workaround :D
[20:06] <sbalneav> Any old port in a storm :)
[20:08] <sbalneav> I beleive it was Alexander the Great, a greek of some small repute, who unravelled the gordion knot
[20:08] <sbalneav> I think we just did that here :)
[20:09] <alkisg> Well... instead of unravelling it, he just cut it in half. Hmmm, yeah, that's what we did too :)
[20:13] <sbalneav> 3 months ago I finished reading another biography of Alexander.
[20:14] <sbalneav> Just a story about a man and his horse (Beucephalous)
[20:14] <sbalneav> I've always wanted to travel to Greece.  Fascinating place.
[20:16] <alkisg> How know how it is... and I've always wanted to travel to the US, to Canada etc...
[20:17] <alkisg> But I think the the friends you see wherever you go are more important than the places you visit
[20:18] <sbalneav> Well, by far the best is to see the places with the friends you love :)
[20:19] <sbalneav> Hence, if you ever come to Canada, you're welcome to stay at Casa de Balneaves :)
[20:19] <sbalneav> But winnipeg's pretty boring.  Known mainly for being flat :)
[20:20] <sbalneav> We have a joke here in the prairies.  "It's so flat here you can watch your dog run away for 3 days"
[20:26] <alkisg> Heh. My town is the exact opposite
[20:26] <alkisg> Mountains all around
[20:32] <alkisg> We have an empty appartment below mine, so if you're into mountains, feel free to come either alone or with your family
[22:24] <tazz> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kdeedu/+bug/419498 this is a easy one, can someone please confirm this bug ?