[00:07] <Riddell> james_w: the amarok issue will be due to debhelper 7 which we havn't used before, I thought I'd fixed it but maybe not
[00:08] <james_w> ah, ok
[00:08] <james_w> I've rejected in the meantime
[00:09] <Riddell> yeah I'll look at it again tomorrow
[00:49] <apachelogger> james_w, Riddell: ubuntu4 should fix amarok, at least it did in my chroot :)
[01:09] <shtylman> Riddell: lp:~shtylman/ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu .. take a look at slides-kde index.html and go from there... (might want to run the generate-png.sh in icons-source-kde first)
[01:09] <shtylman> Riddell: obviously some of the icons are off and the text will probly need to be updated but I wanted to get the ball rolling ...
[01:55] <ghostcube> heh my complete system now speaks over jackd
[01:55] <ghostcube> :D
[01:55] <ghostcube> i ove debian packages and ripping theire libs :-*
[04:52] <dwidmann_> Sime_: in case you're curious, here's the solution that I've managed to come to: http://pastebin.ca/1542738
[06:53] <Sime_> dwidmann_: so, what you are saying is that thread.wait() doesn't work.
[06:59] <nixternal> where are my Kubuntu MOTUs at?
[07:01] <NCommander> nixternal, _o/
[07:02] <NCommander> nixternal, (I have some time for sponsoring packages if thats what you need)
[07:02] <nixternal> NCommander: yay \o/ - feel like doing a quick revu of kairmode?  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kairmode   just say yes and I will upload...I don't need no stinkin' sponsoring :)
[07:06] <nixternal> NCommander: if you can't don't worry, seems a|wen just woke up and is looking at it again :)
[07:07] <NCommander> nixternal, I'm just test building it now
[07:07] <NCommander> nixternal, I'll plus one it if its ok
[07:07] <nixternal> oh, groovy.... it builds
[07:07] <NCommander> nixternal, just as a rule of thumb, I always do a build myself (part of being a DD :-/)
[07:07] <nixternal> passes piuparts and my chroot after I rebuilt it
[07:07] <NCommander> nixternal, is lintian clear on the debs?
[07:07] <nixternal> yup
[07:08] <nixternal> only thing is no manpage
[07:08] <nixternal> that is the only thing it won't be clear on
[07:09] <NCommander> nixternal, WTF, I broke revu
[07:09] <NCommander> nixternal, look where my advocation popped up
[07:09] <nixternal> woohoo!
[07:09]  * NCommander managed to advocate the original upload ...
[07:09] <nixternal> no, it looks right here
[07:09] <nixternal> advocation is attached to the latest upload
[07:10] <NCommander> nixternal, *shrug*
[07:10] <NCommander> nixternal, you still need another +1 on that upload
[07:10]  * NCommander runs
[07:10] <nixternal> NCommander: nope...MOTU (me) + you == good to go
[07:11]  * NCommander notes that his last few NEW packages haven't been REVU'ed :-/
[07:11] <nixternal> I have done that before...just keep it on the downlow :p
[07:11] <a|wen> nixternal: still don't get why it is arch: any ?
[07:11] <NCommander> nixternal, well, its hard to find someone who can testbuild/advocate ARM only packages
[07:12] <nixternal> a|wen: cuz debhelper bitches
[07:12] <NCommander> wait
[07:12] <NCommander> bah
[07:12] <NCommander> Its just python
[07:12] <nixternal> hrmm
[07:12] <NCommander> nixternal, advocation recsended
[07:12] <NCommander> nixternal, fix it!
[07:12] <nixternal> ya, I changed it to all
[07:12] <nixternal> lol...I didn't press enter on 'dput revu' :p
[07:12]  * NCommander is happy he can delete advocations :-)
[07:13] <a|wen> :)
[07:13] <nixternal> ok, now we should wait a few minutes and it will be there :p
[07:14] <nixternal> so it has been sitting there waiting for me to press enter for a few hours...whoops!
[07:14] <nixternal> just archive the damn thing..I am uploading to ubuntu... ScottK push it when you get around to it
[07:16] <NCommander> nixternal, archived
[07:16] <nixternal> thank you sir
[07:23] <a|wen> nixternal: lintian has some bitching now then ... but nothing that can't be fixed post-upload (pray for a nice archive admin today :) )
[07:24] <nixternal> a|wen: don't care who the archive admin is, I have control of them all :p
[07:24] <nixternal> what was the lintian bitching?
[07:24] <nixternal> besides man page
[07:25] <nixternal> it is stupid to create a blank man page imho or just copy what 'app --help-all' spits out
[07:25] <a|wen> nixternal: "build-depends-without-arch-dep python-qt4-dev" and two others of the same kind
[07:25] <nixternal> right
[07:25] <nixternal> that is why I had any
[07:25] <nixternal> originally
[07:25] <nixternal> when you switch it to all you get those stupid messages
[07:26] <nixternal> and I forgot to switch it back to all...but did switch, just didn't commit :p
[07:26] <a|wen> nixternal: you should just move the bouild-deps to build-deps-indep
[07:26] <a|wen> or most of them in any case
[07:27] <nixternal> ya...that will get fixed with the next upload
[07:27] <nixternal> I was rushing to get it up there so we can beat the freeze
[07:27] <a|wen> exactly ... nothing we can't fix later :)
[07:27] <nixternal> plus I was tired as hell of working on packages today :)
[07:29] <a|wen> always that way around freeze ;)
[07:34] <nixternal> so true
[07:34] <nixternal> though the packages I was working on weren't for Ubuntu/Kubuntu :/
[08:00] <dwidmann_> Sime_: no, I'm just saying it doesn't work the way I was thinking/hoping it would.
[08:05] <dwidmann_> Sime_: I think.
[11:05] <james_w> nixternal: kairmode doesn't use rfkill?
[11:37] <ghostcube> -_- hello humans and wanna be humans
[11:44] <a|wen> hi ghostcube :)
[11:59] <ghostcube> hi a|wen
[12:00] <Riddell> neversfelde: how did you get on with koffice2?
[12:04] <Riddell> yay, amarok got in, thanks apachelogger, james_w
[12:05] <james_w> thank you
[12:08] <ghostcube> laughing at the morning http://picpaste.de/hot_dog.jpg
[12:12] <neversfelde> Riddell: it is making progress, but it will need some more time, because there are a lot of changes
[12:12] <Riddell> davidbarth: want me to contact the Skype Linux developer about message indicator?
[12:22] <davidbarth> Riddell: ah, interesting
[12:22] <davidbarth> Riddell: we'll soon work on a draft spec for xdg
[12:23] <davidbarth> Riddell: probably once we're pass UI freeze
[12:23] <davidbarth> Riddell: but it would be nice to get in touch early and see if he's interested in supporting the protocol
[12:24] <davidbarth> Riddell: please CC ted and me on the message if you want to get the ball rolling now
[12:37] <bakkdoor> hi
[12:45] <Riddell> hi bakkdoor
[12:45] <apachelogger> konnichiwa bakkdoor
[12:49] <bakkdoor> is there anyone here who is responsible for the kontact package in kubuntu? i'd like to get in contact, because, as you might remember from monday, I work for Intevation GmbH and am packaging Kontact enterprise for ubuntu.
[12:52] <Riddell> bakkdoor: we don't tend to have paticular package assignments in Ubuntu, so the whole Kubuntu team is at your disposal
[12:53] <bakkdoor> alright, good. so I suppose, you'e part of the team as well?
[12:54] <ghostcube> nah Riddell is the housekeeper :D
[12:54]  * ghostcube un weg
[12:54]  * apachelogger slaps ghostcube
[12:54] <ghostcube> :|
[12:54] <apachelogger> bakkdoor: yes, he is
[12:55] <bakkdoor> alright, cool :)
[12:56] <bakkdoor> I've talked to my boss and we'd like to now, if it would be possible to get kontact enterprise officially into ubuntu somehow, and if so, what would we need to do to?
[12:59] <apachelogger> just the packaging I suppose
[12:59] <apachelogger> we already replaed kdepim with the enterprise branch once
[12:59] <apachelogger> for KDE 3 that was of course :)
[13:01] <Riddell> bakkdoor: it should do the right thing in terms of conflicting with the normal KDE 4 packages
[13:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: would we still leave the normal kdepim around?
[13:01] <apachelogger> seems like maintenance overhead
[13:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, I assume he's talking about the KDE 3 version of kontact enterprise
[13:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: there is a KDE 4 branch
[13:02] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/kdepim/enterprise4/
[13:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah we could look at that too but I suspect it would be behind the mainline in terms of releases
[13:02] <Riddell> so it would probably still be a separate package
[13:03] <sebas> What's the delta between upstream PIM and the enterprise4 branch?
[13:03] <sebas> bakkdoor: which things are you missing exactly?
[13:03] <sebas> bakkdoor: ah, you're an intevation dude ... :)
[13:06] <apachelogger> sebas: seems like loads of kolab specific changes
[13:06] <apachelogger> from the newslog at least
[13:08] <sebas> apachelogger: not quite surprising :)
[13:08]  * apachelogger is wondering
[13:08] <apachelogger> do we have kolab in the archives even?
[13:08] <sebas> I'd rather have it as separate package, replacing upstream's kdepim is likely to get us confused users
[13:08] <sebas> Yes, kolab seems to be in the archives
[13:09] <apachelogger> sweeto
[13:09] <apachelogger> This is the development branch of the Kolab developer team. It has some problems and bugs and is still under some development. It is aimed to provide a Windows XP/Vista packages for this branch, too. At the moment these packages are in a beta phase.
[13:09] <apachelogger> There is currently no detailed list available that list the feature differences between those versions. So you have to partially rely on your gut feeling for this decision unless you want to actually read the code.
[13:09] <apachelogger> from http://wiki.kolab.org/index.php/KDE_Kolab_Client
[13:10] <sebas> :)
[13:10] <Riddell> bakkdoor: so as long as the packaging is up to scratch and does the right thing to conflict with normal kdepim we'd love to have it.  you can sign up for an account on Revu to upload it so we can comment http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/
[13:10] <bakkdoor> Riddell: we're planning on working on a enterprise4 package, as well
[13:10] <bakkdoor> Riddell: alright, cool
[13:11] <apachelogger> bakkdoor: does enterprise35 actually work on latest kubuntu?
[13:11]  * apachelogger would suspect that the missing kdebase hurts quite a bit
[13:11] <bakkdoor> apachelogger: haven't tried it yet. i've been working with hardy up to now, since kdelibs was almost identical to those we used in debian. jaunty will be up next.
[13:13] <apachelogger> ok
[13:13] <bakkdoor> apachelogger: but its working on hardy
[13:13] <apachelogger> yeah, hardy is KDE 3, jaunty is KDE 4
[13:13] <bakkdoor> apachelogger: true.
[13:14] <apachelogger> we booted about anything KDE3ish (except for kdelibs) from jaunty
[13:14] <apachelogger> so it is very likely that we need to re-add kdebase to ensure proper user experience
[13:15] <apachelogger> shouldn't be a problem though
[13:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe we should kick-off a discussion about kde bug 154304 on the kde-devel list?
[13:18] <markey> is Karmic going to ship with KDE 4.3.0 or 4.3.1?
[13:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you want to SRU bug 293213 ... since it actually increases hardware compability it qualifies for SRU I suppose
[13:19] <apachelogger> markey: .2 most likely
[13:19] <markey> oh nice
[13:19] <apachelogger> at least it was always .2 until know, it's not going to be .0 though
[13:19] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: stuff doesn't actually work yet until they patch KDE
[13:19] <apachelogger> well, unless KDE really gets behind the schedule :D
[13:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how so?
[13:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: AFAIK the kde key stuff is nothing but name mapping
[13:20] <markey> karmic rocks, been using it since alpha 2
[13:20] <JontheEchidna> Qt sees the keys, but KDE can't use 'em
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> my extra multimedia keys don't work quite yet with KDE, so I tend to believe what the last guy said about KDE needing patched
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> They show up as sleep, etc, but using them as a shortcut for anything doesn't work
[13:23] <Riddell> there's nothing listening for the sleep etc keys
[13:23] <Riddell> I'm vaugly hoping agateau will get round to it one day
[13:23] <apachelogger> uhm
[13:23] <JontheEchidna> It shows up in the shortcut widget when pressed
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> but the shorcut won't actually work
[13:24] <apachelogger> this is so insanenly crazy :D
[13:24] <ghostcube> :D
[13:24] <apachelogger> qt maps Xkeycodes to Qtkeycodes, KDE maps Qtkeycodes to Xkeycodes
[13:25] <ghostcube> -_-
[13:29]  * agateau knows very little about keys
[13:29] <agateau>  (except punching them in a certain order to write programs)
[13:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I might be wrong, but, since helio is working for mandriva I would suppose that he enhanced the qt-copy codes in order to enhance the supported keys in mandriva's kdelibs ... so they might have a patch for that too
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> I looked in an rpm, but it most probably wasn't the right one. (Should be a Cooker rpm?)
[13:35]  * rgreening wishes his play/pause auto worked for Amarok...
[13:43] <Riddell> agateau: looking at KMail patches for MI now, are the ones you sent me on 13 Aug up to date?
[13:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no patch in sight
[13:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I recommend talking to helio what his plan is :)
[13:46] <agateau> Riddell: I think so. If in doubt, use the one on my people.c.c page
[13:54] <Tonio_> hi there
[13:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: no response from arora devs yet about the patch
[13:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: should I upload now so that we can drop it later ?
[13:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah ok
[13:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: it just works on purpose
[13:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki lett's go
[13:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: just uploaded the restricted package, including all the ffpeg changes
[13:55] <Riddell> groovy
[13:56]  * Riddell adds arora to DVDs
[13:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: atm only the subscriptions don't work although the code is there
[13:57] <Riddell> subscriptions?
[13:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: in case we can't fix, I'll simply populaite the easylist as we do with konq
[13:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, it should make it possible to "subscribe" to adblock lists, auto update them and so on
[13:57] <Tonio_> just it won't display the lists right now :)
[13:58] <Tonio_> so you have to import them manually (like in konq in fact)
[13:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about the kwallet integration in arora ?
[14:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno, ask smarter
[14:04] <Riddell> they're wanting to do it with the cross desktop thingy which proabbly doesn't exist yet
[14:06] <smarter> I'm working on it using KWallet DBus interface, currently trying to design the API of the relevant class so that porting it to the fd.o spec once it materializes in KDE 4.4 and Gnome 2.30 requires as little pain as possible
[14:07] <bakkdoor> i'm getting an error when logging in via launchpad openid, anyone else getting this?
[14:14] <ScottK> Bug 414572 is currently tagged against plasma-netbook.  Is that a netbook specific problem or should it be reassigned (does someone use the widget on desktop and have the same problem)?
[14:16] <Riddell> ScottK: nothing netbook specific, move it to kdeplasma-addons
[14:16] <rgreening> ScottK: Microblogger broken in 4.3.0
[14:16] <Riddell> it may well be my patch to that which is causing the problem
[14:16] <rgreening> to be fixed in 4.3.1
[14:16] <ScottK> Riddell and rgreeningThanks.
[14:16] <Riddell> rgreening: ah good
[14:16] <Riddell> probably not my fault then :)
[14:16] <rgreening> shouldn't be .. no
[14:17] <rgreening> late changes broke it and a fix was committed too late for 4.3.0 tagging
[14:24] <Riddell> agateau: ooh ooh KMail works!
[14:24] <agateau> Riddell: party!
[14:26] <bakkdoor> any idea what is causing the login problem?
[14:26] <bakkdoor> or is it just me?
[14:26] <Riddell> bakkdoor: logging into revu?
[14:26] <bakkdoor> yes
[14:26] <Riddell> bakkdoor: what browser?
[14:26] <bakkdoor> i get an error
[14:27] <bakkdoor> iceweasel
[14:27] <bakkdoor> "MOD_PYTHON ERROR"
[14:28] <ScottK> bakkdoor: Ask on #ubuntu-motu.  You're more likely to find REVU admins there.
[14:28] <bakkdoor> ScottK: alright, thanks
[14:28] <Riddell> works for me in firefox bakkdoor, maybe revu accounts need to be approved first?
[14:29] <bakkdoor> Riddell: might be the case, but it looks like a python error - if this happens due to missing login-rights, it isn't the best way to tell the user ;)
[14:30] <Riddell> bakkdoor: you don't have to use revu of course so don't let it block you, it's just a bit cleaner if you can
[14:31] <bakkdoor> Riddell: well I guess it would be nicer for the reviewers to check out the package etc.
[14:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Quassel is about to do their release for our feature freeze.  It requires both client and core be updated at the same time, so I think it ought to go in backports pretty much right away too (after I upload it).
[14:37] <ScottK> (for people using split client/core)
[14:37] <Riddell> ScottK: sounds good to me
[14:38] <Riddell> although I don't know if I can do backports but I saw james_w did some so maybe I can get help from him
[14:38] <ScottK> Riddell: I can just upload source backports if that's a problem.
[14:39] <james_w> Riddell: I just followed the instructions on the wiki page
[14:39] <james_w> mass-sync.py can do them
[14:39] <james_w> I'm not sure if they need queue processing as well
[14:40] <Riddell> I got an error when I tried it last but I'm happy to try again
[14:40] <james_w> the wiki page says "process the *-backports queue of the stable releases" but I've never found those queues :-)
[14:41] <Riddell> james_w: queue -s jaunty-backports info
[14:42] <Riddell> james_w: most weeks I find stuff that's been sitting in there since my last archive admin day
[14:42] <james_w> thanks, I'll know how to complete that step now
[14:42] <Riddell> normally I do    for asdf in hardy intrepid jaunty; do queue -s ${asdf}-backports report; done    to check all the releases and both New and Unapproved
[14:42] <Riddell> I do the same for -proposed and run through the universe SRUs
[15:06] <ScottK> Sput: Would you consider Bug #400122 solved in RC1?
[15:07] <Sput> ScottK: it seems to be a bug in qt-webkit, nothing we can do about that (except building without webkit, or disabling the preview)
[15:07] <Sput> I think people have told me it's fixed in 4.5.2, but YMMV
[15:08] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:08] <Sput> I could never reproduce, so can't tell you if it's indeed gone :)
[15:08] <smarter> I'm pretty sure it's gone since I upgraded to Karmic(and so 4.5.2)
[15:09] <smarter> before, Arora was completely unusable and crashed on almost every website, never what update caused that
[15:18] <ScottK> Riddell: Quassel will need a source backport anyway, so archive scripts aren't an issue.
[15:19] <Riddell> aww, I wanted to try to get it working
[15:20] <ScottK> Just kick NCommander until he approves some more backports for you to try.
[15:30] <Riddell> agateau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/259860/
[15:31] <agateau> Riddell: oups
[15:33] <ScottK> Riddell: Any idea how we get the install icon back on the live CD for netbook?
[15:35] <agateau> Riddell: updated
[15:36] <bakkdoor> alright, login worked.
[15:58] <Riddell> ScottK: no, worst case write a quick plasmoid in python I guess
[15:58] <Riddell> I hear agateau is giving a tutorial on that next monday :)
[15:59] <Riddell> ScottK: asked morpheus for ideas?
[15:59] <agateau> Riddell: thanks for the reminder...
[16:00] <agateau> Riddell: Are you stepping down?
[16:00] <ScottK> Riddell: I didn't.  He's hacking on plasma-netbook next week, so we should discuss it.
[16:00] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't know how it works for Desktop, so maybe you could ping him and ask?  He's in #kubuntu-netbook now.
[16:02] <Riddell> agateau: no I jest, we'll do it together, I'm away from tomorrow evening until sunday evening so we'll probably only get a chance to talk about it on Monday
[16:03] <agateau> oh ok
[16:04] <Riddell> actually I'm doing another pyKDE talk tomorrow
[16:04] <Riddell> don't let me forget
[16:13] <Riddell> ScottK, rgreening: I see scribus 1.3.5 is out, I seem to rember you guys talking about it at UDS
[16:14] <ScottK> rgreening: My plate is pretty full today.  Can you look at it?
[16:21] <apachelogger> hm
[16:21] <apachelogger> at times I feel rather godlike alright
[16:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: Please wield your godlike powers to provide a: an answer to the latest question on the lzma-dev MIR and and install icon for netbook live CD.
[16:23] <apachelogger> first kdelibs
[16:25] <Riddell> ScottK: where's that?
[16:25] <Riddell> lzma
[16:25] <ScottK> Riddell: KDE uses a different lzma and kees doesn't want two in Main.
[16:26] <apachelogger> which is understandable IMHO
[16:26] <ScottK> Hopefully apachelogger will wield his semi-godlike powers and make kde4libs understand lzma-dev.
[16:27] <ScottK> Riddell: Certainly understandable, but it puts us in kind of a hard spot.  I don't think porting to a different lzma library is something we can do indefinitely.
[16:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: I only took a quick look but to me it seemed like the API of xz is a lot richer than the one of lzma
[16:28] <ScottK> And I'm going to guess KDE uses that richness or it wouldn't have picked it.
[16:28] <apachelogger> most likely
[16:28] <apachelogger> anyway, I'll fix the l10n b0rkage and then take a closer look
[16:29] <smarter> you mean, xz won't get in main?
[16:30] <smarter> that's a bad decision imho as GNU is pushing xz and it may ends up replacing gz and/or bz2
[16:32] <ScottK> smarter: We need to replace lzma-dev if we do it, so that means lots of work it's too late for now.
[16:32] <ScottK> Maybe Karmic +1.
[16:33] <smarter> I guess we can wait six months for that
[16:33] <smarter> apparently, it's gonna replace bz2: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils/
[16:33] <smarter> since 7.1, coreutils is only distributed as gz and xz
[16:36]  * Riddell spots 3.8.3 in https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-policy
[16:41] <neversfelde> so we bump the Standards Version now, when we upgrade packages?
[16:42] <ScottK> No
[16:42] <ScottK> Only if the package isn't in Debian.
[16:43] <neversfelde> ok, now I understand why it is sometimes done and sometimes not. Thanks.
[16:44] <Riddell> agateau: could  you ping me on MSN?
[16:45] <agateau> Riddell: sure
[16:46] <agateau> Riddell: just a minute, finding you
[16:47] <Riddell> agateau: groovy working
[16:47] <Riddell> although it also has the systray icon and visual notification still but presumably that can be turned off
[16:48] <agateau> Riddell: I decided to ship the patch for now so that it's in before FF
[16:48] <agateau> I will fix this after
[16:48] <Riddell> agateau: isn't just a setting we can put into kubuntu-default-settings?
[16:49] <agateau> Riddell: We can disable the systray, but if it's enabled, it should stop spinning when the chat widget is raised by an indicator
[16:49] <Riddell> right
[16:50]  * agateau is packaging the Quassel patch
[16:50] <Riddell> ooh, you're on a roll
[16:50] <agateau> packaging as in tarballing :)
[16:50] <agateau> I am KIM!
[16:50] <agateau> KDE Indicator Man!
[16:53] <Riddell> Increable!
[16:53] <smarter> I still don't see why we need yet another protocol for that, can't we simply extend the Galago spec used by KDE to indicate which kind of message it's sending and then have an applet listen to only certain kind of messages?
[16:54] <Riddell> smarter: tedg had an answer to that when he was asked at GCDS, it didn't sound terribly convincing though
[16:55] <agateau> smarter: it does not really map with knotify
[16:55] <agateau> (I tried to implement it this way first)
[16:55] <ScottK> The only answer I heard was "we've already done a bunch of stuff on our own and we don't want to redo it".
[16:56] <smarter> that can apply to the KDE part too, minus the "on our own" since the spec existed for quiet some times
[16:56] <ScottK> agateau: I'd figure that's probably lack in libnotify design.
[16:56] <agateau> you can represent things more precisely with indicators:
[16:56] <agateau> (especially with upcoming v2 API)
[16:57] <agateau> an indicator can have icon + text (classic)
[16:57] <agateau> but it can also have a date, a count
[16:57] <smarter> that's why I suggested improving what KDE does, it's not like knotify code can't be changed
[16:57] <agateau> (useful to show for example mail count in a folder)
[16:58] <Riddell> the indicator is telling me it's up to 60 in KMail already, and I only checked it 10 minutes ago
[16:58] <agateau> the application has more control on what get shown and what does not get shown
[17:00] <ScottK> Wasn't that part of the point of the new systray protocol?
[17:00] <agateau> Don't think so
[17:00] <ScottK> OK
[17:00] <agateau> The new systray protocol goal is to get rid of the xembed hacks
[17:00] <agateau> mainly
[17:02] <agateau> the goal is also different: notifications are about stuff which just happened, while indicators are about possibly older things
[17:03] <agateau> for example, kmail can show a list of folders containing new messages
[17:03] <agateau> you would not expect kmail to fire a notification for each folder at startup
[17:05] <agateau> Quassel patch is online on http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/indicate/index.html
[17:05] <agateau> have to go
[17:05] <agateau> Riddell: ^
[17:05] <Riddell> groovy
[17:05] <Riddell> kmail uploaded and kopete will be shortly
[17:06] <Riddell> agateau: next week we should look at pushing this stuff upstream
[17:06] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm testing Quassel 0.5 rc1 right now.  Please let me upload that before you mess with Quassel.
[17:06] <Riddell> ok
[17:07] <ScottK> Sput: ^^  You might want to sanity check what he did too.
[17:17] <nixternal> james_w: it will in the future if the app stays and the logic behind it doesn't get into either KNetworkMangler or Powerdevil in KDE.
[17:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: I talked kees into approving the xz MIR.
[17:40] <ScottK> No need to port stuff to lzma-dev.
[17:40] <Riddell> you smooth talker
[17:40] <ScottK> ;-)
[17:41] <ScottK> We'll want to remember to write a spec for everyone to switch to xz for Karmic +1
[17:46] <ScottK> Riddell, apachelogger, or Tonio_: Can you take care of updating kde4libs/kdebase for lzma?
[17:46] <Sput> wow, aurelien has familiarized himself with our codebase quite quickly :)
[17:46] <ScottK> I need to drop offline for a while.
[17:46] <Sput> he just needed a couple pointers and off he went
[17:46] <ScottK> Riddell: It'll need promoted before we can build-dep on it.
[17:48] <ScottK> Ohh.  Or nixternal.  I forgot you're core-dev now too.
[17:48] <nixternal> you forgot I was a core-dev?
[17:48] <nixternal> for like 2 years now :p
[17:50] <ScottK> Yeah, but how much stuff do you upload?
[17:54] <Riddell> ScottK: zx-utils moved to main
[17:54] <Riddell> xz-utils
[17:55] <james_w> Riddell: could I trouble you to extract kerneloops from binary NEW?
[17:55] <Riddell> james_w: let me look
[17:55] <james_w> thanks
[17:57] <Riddell> james_w: accepted!
[17:57] <james_w> thank you
[18:44] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK or Tonio_: kdeutils needs to be updated after libs, so that ark gets lzma support as welly
[18:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.  Please do it.
[18:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: about that l10n issue I was talking the other day where the window capation was incorrect because -capation was passed in the desktop file and resolved in an untranslated way
[18:46] <apachelogger> I traced the issue to kdesktopfile's readName and I even have a fix at hand: add the appropriate desktop_foo catalog to the list of klocale's
[18:47] <apachelogger> but, for some reason the underlying kconfig object refuses to query the enhanced catalog list, so one will still get the untranslated name
[18:47] <ScottK> Riddell: I just uploaded akonadi-googledata again with a new tarball.  Should be all good now.
[18:47] <apachelogger> however, if the catalogs get add in klocale's initMainCatalogs it works just as well
[18:48] <apachelogger> so either kconfig clones the global klocale object (which is rather unlikely, right?) or some other magic foo is going on
[18:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: shouldn't that be akonadi-resource-googledata or something?
[18:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm following Debian's naming
[18:49] <apachelogger> then Debian doesn't follow its own naming
[18:49] <apachelogger> why would we have plasma-runner-foo but akondi-foo rather than akonadi-resource-foo
[18:49] <apachelogger> way too weird
[18:50]  * ScottK really away now.
[18:54] <apachelogger> bummer
[18:54] <apachelogger> it got its own KLocale
[18:54] <apachelogger> -.-
[19:20] <nixternal> ScottK, Riddell, and james_w:  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-karmic.git;a=commit;h=6973af69db041209bd96fcf0e37f9f2267f05ec0  <- as soon as we get this (next week?) then I will switch to rfkill version of kairmode
[19:21] <nixternal> though, going with rfkill now would work for everyone else, just not us Dell Mini users...and we are the most important :p
[19:58] <bmunger> i was hoping todays akregator update would fix my issue but i guess not :/
[20:34] <lex79> JontheEchidna: launchpad bug 414603
[20:43] <neversfelde> yay, koffice build
[20:49] <nixternal> ScottK: we might want to look at updating to svn 1016009 for plasma-widget-network-manager - will stephens mentioned it has fixed some issues per a blog post comment
[20:53] <ScottK> nixternal: I'd say go for it.
[21:15] <lex79> JontheEchidna: launchpad bug 419465
[21:51] <ScottK> Anyone start looking at lzma yet?
[21:54] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^?
[21:54] <ScottK> I saw your .desktop change in bzr.
[21:54] <apachelogger> needed a break after that mess
[21:54] <ScottK> OK.  Did you upload that?
[21:54] <apachelogger> nope
[21:55] <ScottK> OK.  All add some lzma to it and see where we get.
[21:57] <Quintasan> wow, anyone knows what could make my notfications look like GNOME's?
[21:58] <ScottK> Installing notify-osd or libnotfiy?
[21:58] <Quintasan> hmm
[21:59] <Quintasan> hmm VLC requires libnotfiy, I wonder why
[22:01] <ScottK> That's a bug.
[22:01] <ScottK> At most it should be libnotify|kde-whateverpackagehasknotificationinit
[22:03] <Quintasan> I uninstalled notification-daemon, maybe that will help
[22:45]  * ScottK vanishes to try the new quassel.
[22:54] <ScottK> Seems to work.
[22:54]  * ScottK tests mutline entry editing.... Works very nice.
[22:55] <ScottK> I like that better than Konversation.
[22:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Quassel 0.5 RC1 is uploaded, so all yours now.
[22:59] <ScottK> maco: ^^^ Once it builds you should be able to talk to jussi01's core again.
[23:05] <ScottK> seele: Quassel 0.5 rc1 is in my ppa and soon in jaunty-backports.  Sput is very interested to hear about usability bugs he can fix before final.
[23:06] <nixternal> anyone talk to the person on kde-look.org that has been doing kubuntu.org mockups? they are gorgeous
[23:07] <neversfelde> I am not sure about them, they are very similar to the kde sites
[23:07] <nixternal> not his latest ones
[23:08] <neversfelde> nixternal: do you have a link?
[23:08] <Monika|K> my upgrade to Karmic is failing on the kdebase-workspace-bin package, the dependencies seem to be wrong ( /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-bin_4%3a4.3.0-0ubuntu14_amd64.deb )
[23:09] <nixternal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+web+page+mockup?content=109869
[23:09] <nixternal> #4 is probably my favorite...#5 is nice too
[23:10] <nixternal> I would definitely like to see Kubuntu much larger though, but ya I can see where you say it is similar to the kde.org site
[23:11] <Quintasan> argh
[23:12] <neversfelde> I like it, too. Anyway, we should look like ubuntu.com. One product, one layout. And from http://forum.kubuntu-de.org view I like our current design :)
[23:13]  * ScottK kind of disagrees.
[23:14] <ScottK> We're different than Ubuntu in a lot of ways and shouldn't feel shy about expressing it.
[23:14] <Quintasan> ScottK ++
[23:15]  * Quintasan made his blog layout KDEish
[23:15] <Quintasan> s/layout/theme
[23:16] <neversfelde> mhh, I guess a professional in doing marketing would disagree. Sure we should go our own way sometimes, but we have the same basis with ubuntu.
[23:17]  * claydoh likes the look of forum.kubuntu-de.org
[23:17]  * claydoh wishes kubuntuforums looked more like it :)
[23:19] <nixternal> ya, please don't look like ubuntu.com...I haven't ever been a fan of that layout...looks a bit cartoony for me
[23:20] <neversfelde> claydoh: we are using a vps, which was once payed by me and now is financed with donations
[23:20] <nixternal> rounded corners are so 1980 :p
[23:21] <neversfelde> claydoh: also we are planning to move the software to phpbb, probably we can arrange a meeting with our nemphis and the carrier of kubuntuforums
[23:21] <neversfelde> would be great, if both platforms would look the same
[23:22] <ScottK> lex79: akonadi-googledata accepted.
[23:22] <claydoh> neversfelde:agreed, tho why move to phpbb?
[23:22] <lex79> yeah, I saw :)
[23:22] <nixternal> neversfelde: if Ubuntu looked like Kubuntu, that wouldn't be a bad thing :p
[23:23] <neversfelde> claydoh: smf has a bad license and we would benefit from the experience with forum.kde.org
[23:23] <neversfelde> nixternal: hehe
[23:23] <Monika|K> Hey, who's bashing cute little Gnomes?
[23:23] <nixternal> I wouldn't bash a gnome, I love that commercial :)
[23:23] <nixternal> but gnomes shouldn't be anywhere near a gear, they might get crushed :D
[23:23] <claydoh> neversfelde: ahh, never looked at the license
[23:23] <Monika|K> We considered a water fight with the GNOME/Ubuntu crowd on Froscon last weekend
[23:23] <Quintasan> nixternal: :D
[23:24] <Monika|K> but decided not to, as we all want to be allowed to return next year
[23:24] <claydoh> we seriously needto move k-f-n to a linux server at least :/
[23:24] <nixternal> Monika|K: hehe...a couple of us KDE peeps thought about GNOME vs. KDE hockey match at GCDS
[23:24] <Monika|K> :)
[23:25] <Monika|K> I was a bit miffed when I went to a talk I wanted to hear and it was canceled and instead they ran "10 ways to become a GNOME"
[23:25] <neversfelde> claydoh: we had several other problems, but I am not a part of the webteam (for good reasons^^). nemphis is sometimes around in this channel, he knows the details
[23:25] <Monika|K> it's a conspiracy
[23:25] <nixternal> hockey I am good at, but I feel that with a majority of the people not being north american, they would choose soccer, and lord knows I have never understood that game
[23:25] <Monika|K> What's to understand about soccer?
[23:25] <Monika|K> Get the ball into the goal on the other side with your feet
[23:25] <nixternal> the reason for one :p
[23:25] <neversfelde> nixternal: I can explain :D
[23:25] <Monika|K> not like what Americans call football but is really handegg
[23:26] <nixternal> ya, but you can't trip or smash people against the boards...that's no fun to me
[23:26] <nixternal> though I played a bit of college american football and hockey, so smashing people is kind of fun...great stress relief
[23:26] <nixternal> :D
[23:26] <neversfelde> :D
[23:27] <Monika|K> Are there any girls American football/handegg teams? No? Can't be such a good game then ^^
[23:27] <nixternal> wth
[23:27] <nixternal> kde-look.org uses Bing.com for those little hover things that popup a window
[23:27] <nixternal> time for me to moan and groan again :p
[23:29] <neversfelde> claydoh: as you can see, I got your mail, but forgot to answer. Will do this tomorrow
[23:29] <Quintasan> Oh well, I'm raging at ext4, better go to bed
[23:29] <Quintasan> Night everyone
[23:30] <claydoh> no problem, you gave enough info so far to get ideas flowing
[23:30] <neversfelde> k :)
[23:31] <claydoh> now for bad web design : http://web.archive.org/web/20010606211104/home.midmaine.com/~gryghost/emac/
[23:32] <claydoh> that doesn't include the nasty background gifs ,
[23:32] <claydoh> i still know nothing about good web desighn
[23:32] <nixternal> claydoh: I love that old school design :)
[23:33] <claydoh> or the version with frames
[23:33] <nixternal> Created by cweber@excite.com - holy smokes...excite.com is hillarious!
[23:33] <claydoh> there were worse, but archive.org doesn't have them thank god
[23:33] <nixternal> (C) 1999 :D
[23:34] <claydoh> frontpage
[23:34] <neversfelde> have a look at this: http://www.ra-kotz.de/
[23:34] <claydoh> frontpage express, rather
[23:34] <neversfelde> this is really dangerous :D
[23:35] <nixternal> http://www.tekeeze.com/fun-sites/7-fun-sites-you-can-only-find-on-the-gopher-internet  <- that's good stuff....I remember way back in the day, grabbing Slackware from Gopher sites
[23:36] <nixternal> neversfelde: oh man, that site is classic!
[23:36] <Monika|K> AOL versions up to 4 or 5 could do Gopher, too.
[23:37] <nixternal> oh boy, I remember when them and Prodigy had the war going because they stole the code to implement it into their funky browser like Prodigy did
[23:37] <nixternal> good ol' Prodigy....I remember my username from 1991... rjohn91075
[23:37] <claydoh> i never bought floppy disks cuz aol ones were everywhere :)
[23:38] <nixternal> and when I tried aol, my username was rjohn93<something>....they stole so much from prodigy
[23:38] <neversfelde> when is feature freeze?
[23:38]  * claydoh is a 'net noob, only got online in 1998, same day
[23:38] <nixternal> back then, if the power went out in sterling, virginia, aol was down :)
[23:39] <nixternal> they had the largest data center at the time, without any backup power cuz they couldn't afford it then
[23:39] <claydoh> i got my first computer tnen
[23:39] <nixternal> I got my first computer in 1979 :p
[23:39] <claydoh> :P
[23:39] <nixternal> my 2nd computer you plugged into the TV....it was the keyboard only model of teh TRS-80
[23:40] <nixternal> oh the good ol' days
[23:40] <claydoh> one-handed typing w/puppy in other arm is interesting
[23:40] <nixternal> sure, a puppy
[23:40] <nixternal> pfft, like we will believe that
[23:40] <nixternal> never admit to one-handed typing publically when on the internet
[23:41] <claydoh> well, if it wan't i could stop and use  the other
[23:41] <claydoh> i think
[23:41] <claydoh> um
[23:42] <claydoh> heh as i said, a noob
[23:42] <claydoh> ;0
[23:42] <Monika|K> oh guys
[23:42]  * Monika|K rolls eyes
[23:43] <nixternal> haha...come on, I couldn't stop myself when he left himself open like that
[23:43] <Monika|K> ;)
[23:43] <claydoh> I did leave a big opening for ridicule :)
[23:44] <claydoh> im a grown man, i can take it :)
[23:45] <nixternal> hehe
[23:45] <Monika|K> gotta reboot
[23:49] <claydoh> anyway, k-f-n needs to be on a more reliable service than http://www.smfforfree.com/
[23:51] <claydoh> and as a main place for Kubuntu support, being on a windows server only adds to  any negative perceptions people may form about Kubuntu :(
[23:54] <neversfelde> claydoh: it is really hosted there?
[23:55] <neversfelde> how stable is it?
[23:56] <claydoh> neversfelde: yes, IU think the owner has a deal with them, it is on a server with only a couple of sites on it
[23:56] <neversfelde> ah ok
[23:56] <claydoh> neversfelde: it is stable enough, but when it is down, I have had to contact the smfforfree people to fix it so the past couple of outages were for days or longer :(
[23:57] <neversfelde> thats not goo
[23:57] <neversfelde> d
[23:58] <neversfelde> whre is forum.ubuntu.com hosted?
[23:58] <Monika|K> What's this "indicator display" for that I have now in my toolbar after upgrading to Karmic?
[23:59] <claydoh> neversfelde: donb't know, I assume it is hosted by canonical/ubuntu?