[00:00] kaddi: sounds like some kind of database encyclopedia but just taking a wild guess :) [00:02] http://forums.adobe.com/thread/433896 jaison [00:02] i heard from the forum that design view is not available in linux.. [00:03] kaddi, that is found in app-install-data [00:03] can we install flex using wine... [00:04] jaison, check the appdb , help in #winehq [00:04] !appdb | jaison [00:04] jaison: The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org - Join #winehq for application help [00:05] hello. does anyone know how to change the appearance settings of kde3 apps running under kde4? [00:07] ok so do I have to lable my ntfs partition bootable to install xp, or will xp installation to that on its own? (hate having it but need to :-/) [00:08] PupE: xp install does format partitions. not sure about making them bootable [00:09] bazhang: I see, thanks. Could you tell me what dbpedia does? Google associates it with wikipedia somehow and launching the program just yields an empty window, with no menu [00:09] !info app-install-data [00:09] app-install-data (source: app-install-data-ubuntu): Ubuntu applications (data files). In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.6.1 (jaunty), package size 6354 kB, installed size 23360 kB [00:10] kaddi, pretty barebones description there ^^ [00:10] rav: thanks, do you know then if making the partition bootable would affect it? [00:12] PupE: i don't know. i've only made dual-boots by resizing the existing xp partition, and installing linux on the free space. the original partition is bootable, but when you install grub, things work differently [00:12] bazhang: I know, some kpackageki-backend seems to depend on it, that's probably how I got it.. but it still can't figure what it really does :p [00:12] kaddi, me either :) [00:13] * kaddi can not sleep withuot knowing this :/ [00:13] perhaps the mailing lists would help :) [00:13] !lists [00:13] mail is another medium to communicate. Ubuntu mailinglists can be found at http://lists.ubuntu.com [00:14] lol, when I enter a search term, it seems to crash :p [00:15] il y a quelqu'un ? [00:15] !fr [00:15] Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr [00:17] ok, I'm just gonna bug google a bit about this... and then I'll probably delete it :p [00:17] have fun [00:17] I see, I did check the disk labels on my other dualboot pc and the ntfs has a boot flag [00:19] thx =) [00:23] Will xp find the free space on my hd if I leave it unallocated? [00:27] ooo I think it will :) [00:27] <^peter^> If it is unallocated, means it will not be listed for use. [00:30] ^peter^: then how do I make it visible? [00:34] PupE, format it to ntfs [00:35] BluesKaj: do I have to give it a boot flag? === io is now known as Guest11190 [01:11] * genii sips [01:14] anyone have the link to the not able to play more than two sound sources at one time [01:17] Anyone know if the manual partition setup on the Live CD ALWAYS reformats partitions? [01:17] I have moved all my old stuff to a directory off the root of the old EXT3 FS [01:18] Tried Ubuntu 8.04 and now I wanted to start fresh with a default install of Kubuntu 9.04. [01:18] And of course not enough space on other drive :/ [01:19] Do I have to resize it or can I just reuse the old one like in Mac OSx and Windows? [01:20] Ubuntu had a "restore" feature or something? Would the "recovery" option in Grub do it? [01:24] So it is possible to install into an existing partition with all the old system folder moved/renamed and leave them alone? [01:25] https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/switching/first-steps.html I'm at this step. [01:26] Coyotes: what do you want to know? how many partitions do you have? [01:27] I have 3. [01:27] First is 50GB Ext3 [01:27] "EFS" I think is the other name [01:27] you had 8.04 on it? [01:27] on the first partition [01:27] 2nd is swap [01:28] 3rd is something else (not sure lol) [01:28] Yeah with Ubuntu package. [01:28] I just moved all files into a folder. [01:28] in the first partition? [01:28] Yeah deleted most things but the home and etc folders [01:29] all Lib/lib32/etc. [01:29] don't you want to remove the etc folder? [01:30] It has one called "old home". [01:30] That's the entire root directory's contents [01:30] Blank except that folder. [01:30] Got rid of Sys/bin/etc. [01:30] oops I meant "etc." the term [01:30] lol not the folder [01:30] my bad [01:31] etcetera [01:31] I think you don't need anything except home folder [01:31] I meant that I put all but the settings and old files into a folder. [01:32] Well I really just wanted to move stuff over manually to entirely new organization of files. [01:32] But hard to do it if I can't install without reformat. :( [01:33] cant you move the folders you need, to the 3rd partition? [01:33] It's swap I think... or blank... and too small. [01:33] I'll go check to see the exact layout. [01:34] if i enter a hebrew character into filename, the whole filename switches to right-to-left [01:34] is there a way to get only the hebrew character(s) in RTL direction? [01:34] (KDE 3.5.10, kubuntu 8.04) [01:34] I think you can resize the first partition during the install, and won't lose data [01:34] exact use case: a hebrew song title from a multilingual album [01:34] is the only way to use romanized title? [01:35] * genii sips and ponders multilingual hebrew songs [01:35] Sdb1=50GB ext3, 4GB of free space, and sdb5=swap of 2.5GB. [01:35] Wait, can I install Kubuntu to only 4GB? heh [01:36] yes you can [01:36] but is it a free space on the first partiton? [01:36] ooooh I'll try that. I just never could get my DVD burning tools working 100% in Gnome. [01:36] (8.04 hated my hardware) [01:36] crash crash crash [01:37] /j #qt [01:37] grr [01:37] stupid spaces [01:38] It wasn't just CDR or naut that crashed... I think even the browsers did. Video card is old PCI-E ATI so not sure if the drivers just were bad. [01:38] THanks for help! [01:38] BRB [01:39] It stunk to have to load UBCD4Win or use an adapter on my laptop to burn... Oh well it'll work now I hope. :) [01:42] *kicks self* Oh, didn't notice that tiny button that says "Format: Yes/No?" [01:42] lol === derrick_ is now known as D-Mustard [02:06] Installing just fine without formatting the partition. I was only worried because it's a rather dangerous tool to not be 100% sure of. [02:06] Only lost 2 partitions in 20 years from that kind of mistake. lol not wanting a 3rd [02:07] Set 50GB as /home [02:07] 4GB as / [02:07] last as swap [02:09] Lost an old 20MB one and a 850MB one many years ago - 20mb on not knowing FDISK.EXE is instant and can't be undone... Other from not understanding that hd_/sd_ system. Yeah noticed it was the wrong drive about 5% in and never wanting to go through a recovery again. :) [02:10] hey [02:10] I could have rebuilt the partition table on the 20MB but I had all of 1-2 years PC experience at school. [02:10] Hi [02:10] do you guys think this could someday become a kubuntu netbook remix? I'd love one http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2009072700335OSEMKE [02:10] Oh I love the dell 12" [02:11] hmm checking url [02:11] Hi. Is there a package or program that allows me to interface directly with ALSA and normalize the sound that comes from the ALSA server? Or at least one that allows me to adjust the relative levels of various frequencies of sound (an equalizer)? [02:12] Hmm looking at that Dell advertisement, I think there's going to be real laptops that work like that. [02:12] You don't touch anything [02:12] Just move a ball or something in the air. [02:12] Sony is making a neat 2-camera system for that to emulate clay if I remember right. [02:12] Coyotes, were another victim of partition magic ? [02:13] were you [02:13] No... lol [02:13] That REALLY old Linux tool from RH [02:13] Like RH 6/7 [02:13] 1990s [02:13] 1999 or so [02:13] Coyotes: I still have a RH 6.2 machine in production [02:13] Well not saying it aint stable... [02:13] lol [02:14] no dude, it haunts me, every day [02:14] Just... really old. I like some new features as well as bug fixes. Bug fixing and adding features is sometimes a nightmare to 'glue' to old OSes. [02:14] It crashes a lot? [02:14] Oh, going to go look up that ALSA thing. [02:15] Now the one machine that really ruined my life was the SunOS 2.6 (aka solaris 6) one [02:15] thankfully got rid of that one, not too long ago [02:15] I really didn't get serious about linux til 2001 ...think I still have the disk around here some where , can't recall the OS tho [02:15] Nice hardware at least :) [02:15] BluesKaj: I've been linux only since the 90's [02:15] My brain works posix like [02:15] Like my old 2400+ Athlon Mobile on a desktop board, or my laptop's P-III. [02:15] so I can't stand real work on windows [02:15] I miss the console [02:16] and /dev, /proc, bash scripts, pipes, the works [02:16] Console=redirect and filter=can't get that in a GUI! [02:16] long enuff , Lars_G , Linus didn't wite the j=kernel til 91 or 92 [02:16] BluesKaj: been at it since around 97 [02:16] That's like saying you didn't get any Nintendo system until 1986. :P [02:16] or 96 [02:17] I never had nintendo...my kids did tho :) [02:17] Coyotes: and damn, serial consoles have saved my ass on quite a few servers [02:17] the OT cops will be here soon :) [02:17] I had nintendo, quite late, don't know exactly when but I did [02:17] Actually, a better GUI can do a lot of the stuff using macros and plugins... but it's a lot easier showing someone a text file that's 3KB instead of a video that's 30MB. [02:17] answer me then [02:18] someobody's gonna integrate that kde ui into a kubuntu netbook remix? :D [02:18] Yeah remember old dual-monitor support on VGA+mono screens? [02:18] You get SICE or such. [02:18] And use a serial port to kill/start/control tasks. [02:18] anyone here a programmer? [02:18] Use the mono monitor for hacking :) [02:18] hackerx: pretty vague, but I am [02:19] I'd say at least 80% of use program at least a little. [02:19] !hack [02:19] Sorry, I don't know anything about hack [02:19] Coyotes: nah, my last mono monitor was on my epson qx-10 [02:19] Maybe 20%+ are good [02:19] that was cpm, not linux ;) [02:19] !hacker [02:19] A hacker is a person who delights in having an intimate understanding of the internal workings of a system, computers and computer networks in particular, as defined by Request for Comments (RFC) 1392 - i.e. a good programmer -- crackers on the other hand break systems, see also !piracy [02:19] No, I meant DOS and Windows... [02:19] !piracy [02:19] piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music, and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o [02:19] A hacker is a player of D&D who likes axes. [02:19] lol@bot [02:19] lol [02:19] Coyotes: we had one we used to call moulinex [02:19] !coc [02:20] The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ [02:20] Cut and slice... program and debug... damn it's still as bloody! [02:20] Coyotes: ambidextrous trickin. [02:20] Lars_G : I ask because Im looking into doing that as I job I guess you would say.. Just interested in how other people went about it.. types of classes and such [02:20] Lots and lots of C/C++. [02:20] VB stuff is useless for making OSes and such. [02:20] Make your interface and such in a 'pretty' language. [02:20] Implement backend using something like C. [02:21] Fast+stable+easy to debug [02:21] don't diss pretty languages, I'm a ruby head [02:21] PYthon too? [02:21] Getting into it [02:21] mainly because I can hack quick stuff on my symbian phone [02:21] Machine language is beaultiful compared to Asm... but really hard to even read, yet alone make. :) [02:21] but I still like ruby [02:21] better [02:21] MAchine code!=CPU instructions [02:21] We're talking And/Or/etc. [02:22] erf sensors me dit qu'ils ne trouvent pas de ventilo pwm alors que le radbox l'est x) [02:22] machine lang IS cpu instructions. [02:22] I hate that junk but it's the only way to make FPGAs useful. [02:22] what you mean is basic comp architecture, lower level than a functioning cpu [02:22] Someone invented a C compiler for them hehe [02:22] VHDL [02:22] Ring -1 [02:22] is what you talking about [02:22] Ring -2 etc [02:22] lol [02:22] Hi. Is there an equalizer or normalizer program for ALSA? [02:22] for fpgas it's vhdl [02:22] Ultimate debugging is to hack at the analog level... But no sane will. [02:23] Oh sorry Kris [02:23] hmmm [02:23] Let me look. [02:23] Coyotes: Thank you, in advance. [02:24] Found one already I think! [02:24] Googled "ALSA filter equalizer" [02:24] You need the word "filter" I think. [02:24] Ah. Thank you! [02:24] interesting article here : http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=874&tag=nl.e011 [02:24] plugin or filter is normal term. [02:24] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/alsa-equalizer-351373/ [02:24] Got a link, please? [02:25] Thanks. === neomantra is now known as neomantra82 [02:42] how do you reinstall dpkg [02:45] Kirbon: apt-get has a --reinstall option. [02:47] i tried that and it says invalid command [02:47] show me what you typed [02:50] apt-get --reinstall [02:50] sudo apt-get --reinstall dpkg [02:51] i got this apt-get --reinstall dpkg [02:51] E: Invalid operation dpkg [02:52] use "sudo" [02:52] im in terminal as root [02:53] ill try it though [02:53] I'm installing ubuntu netbook remix on my asus eee pc 1005ha, and I've hit a road bump. this explains the problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1249742 . The tutorial is not in depth enough and this is my first time working with something other than windows. [02:53] sorry, sudo apt-get install --reinstall dpkg [02:55] it doesnt work because apt-get is what is broke [02:55] it didnt fetch the files to reinstall [02:55] whats the error messages, exactly [02:56] lengthy better pvt it [02:56] if thats ok [02:57] !pastebin [02:57] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic [02:59] Kirbon, I've never heard of installing dkpg with apt , it' usually installed by default with the OS [03:04] Hmm Linux should be mostly installed by now - brb [03:13] What would be a good channel to ask if there's a CPU coming out with just PCI-E 1x, SATA, and USB 2 I/O? It would be great for making a netbook. [03:13] hi [03:13] Hello. [03:14] Anyone feel like helping me with a super newbie question? [03:14] hi I guess so :) [03:14] I got rid of the taskbar on the panel and have no idea how to get it back. [03:15] Just barely installed kubuntu, not used to it yet. [03:15] ^^ [03:15] Look in the KDE folder... [03:16] .kde* [03:16] Sorry. I warned that it was super newbie. ^^; [03:17] The settings are there. OK I'll get the exact info in a second. [03:17] I really appreciate it. [03:17] jeremy- right-click the desktop and you'll see an option to add a panel [03:17] I'm thinking there has to be a text file to edit or a command in the GUI... lol I just switched to Kubuntu myself from the Gnome desktop (Ubuntu) [03:18] Ok, I have a panel on the top of the screen, but I don't know how to get it so that applications are displaying on it. [03:18] Coyotes- CPU's aren't really related to any of those features. Do you mean motherboards? [03:18] If that's a particular widget I don't know what it's called. [03:18] hey guys, im using gnome ... i have a lot of troubles with msn client while using kopete, which msn client would u recommend me? or do you think kopete is fine, and there 's a fix for my proble,? [03:19] jeremy- add a new Task Manager widget [03:19] Normally I use pidgen for IM'ing. [03:19] I mean why not make a CPU that only interacts over serial busses. [03:19] For ultra-cheap, ultra-small machines. [03:19] Oh my, thanks so much Dragnslcr ! [03:19] I'm used to that being a system moniter. [03:20] Coyotes- because that's not really the job of the CPU? That depends a lot more on the motherboard and chipsets [03:20] Cool - now I learned something about the taskbar without extensive reading. Thanks :) [03:20] Well ever here of system on a chip? [03:20] We're talking about a machine the size of a pack of playing cards. [03:21] Flash drive, RAM, CPU, all really small. [03:21] Anyway, that doesn't have anything to do with Kubuntu [03:21] Yeah [03:21] I meant to ask in another channel but no one told me which so I stopped... but then you asked. :) [03:22] lol [03:22] OK Back in topic [03:22] Being brand new to Linux, I would like to ask, is there a difference in programming windowed applications in GNOME and KDE? [03:23] I've only ever done Windows apps before. [03:25] Hi, I just update apache/php on ubuntu. I try http://localhost on firefox. It refuses to connect. I am able to ping localhost, any idea? [03:29] Anyone notice anything funky going on w/ Ctrl key lately? [03:29] <_TJ> like what? [03:30] <_TJ> digmore: check ur firewall/port fwd [03:30] digmore: i think you can pretty much always ping your own box. are you sure the apache service is actually running right now? and are you certain it's running on port 80? [03:30] jeremy- Gnome uses GTK, and KDE uses Qt, but both of them can run both GTK and Qt programs [03:30] Dragnslcr - Thanks for the answer. I'll do a bit of research on GTK/Qt then. Good to know they can both be used. [03:31] jeremy- I haven't really worked with them, though, so I couldn't tell you which toolkit is easier to use [03:31] Well, I'm not entirely sure what is going on but if I hit the control key it toggles something on [03:31] I think it causes kubuntu to think I'm continually holding down Ctrl + Shift until I hit the Ctrl key twice to "unstick" it [03:34] Well, right there I was able to cause kubuntu to think I was continually holding down the control key [03:35] happens w/ either control key too.... so I'm pretty much ruling out a hardware problem [03:36] rmrfslash: maybe you turned on "sticky keys"? try going to system settings -> accesibility, and then the 'modifier keys' tab and see if you have sticky keys enabled. then see if turning it off changes the behavior. [03:36] i think holding down shift for a few seconds activates it [03:36] and can also turn it off [03:37] neomantra82: I love you [03:37] I was seriously about to die. Honestly, I have no clue how the hell sticky keys became enabled [03:40] awesome, glad i could help :) [03:42] So glad that problem is solved. [03:42] Thanks [03:42] I'm sure I'll be back on.... :) [03:42] goin to bed now === jeremy is now known as Riobe === Riobe is now known as jeremy [03:54] neomantra82: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start --> Starting web server apache2 --> type localhost on firefox, not working [03:54] neomantra82: not sure how to check port 80 or not [03:57] a friend of miine is having problems with her computer her usb ports have power running through them but they do not register anything else. any ideas on how to make them work again? [03:59] Have you tried a Live CD? [03:59] If it suddenly happened, then it could be lightning or a software glitch... Elimination. [03:59] we tried to do that yesterday and her cd and dvd players were not working either. [03:59] ... [03:59] lol it's the hardware [04:00] Sorry [04:00] But yes you could try another CD-ROM drive. [04:01] Do you have a spare CD-ROM? [04:01] It just has to boot. [04:01] No burning required. [04:01] a couple others were helping me with it. it was registering through the system that it was there and was working. they were booting up in a weird order so they had me -r each one in sudo and the install again in the correct order in terminal box [04:02] Is even a mouse not working? [04:02] Mice almost never die, but drives can. :( [04:03] well we had to borrow an old mouse that you plug in like the keyboard. otherwise no because her mouse is a usb mouse [04:03] it was lighting up to indicate it had power but then not working after that [04:03] I would try taking out each piece of hardware and testing seperately. Like: Try her CD/DVD on your system. [04:04] <_TJ> O_O [04:05] Tried your USB mouse and keyboard? IF the keyboard won't let you access the BIOS and you're sure that the BIOS is set to support it... board will need replacement. [04:05] Luckily the board probably is only problem. [04:06] keyboard works because it is not plugged into a usb but the mouse was. like i said we borrowed an older mouse that plugs in the same as the keyboard. [04:06] Funny story: My mom's computer did that weird stuff where one or both drives would randomly not be detected... Replaced cables and wow it was like it was fixed or something. ;) [04:06] Got a USB keyboarD? [04:07] I think you fried a chip on the board... [04:07] well this computer has appx 6 or 7 usb ports and none of them work [04:07] Ick... [04:08] Normally I'd say it was a software issue but... you have other stuff broke before the OS is even loaded. [04:08] let's take this into private [04:13] hi [04:14] hello [04:14] hola [04:15] holas [04:15] buenas noches [04:17] hi, how do I check apache2 is running [04:18] ps -all in term? === dtech is now known as d-tech [04:19] ps -e try that [04:21] should i do --> ps -e | grep apache2 [04:21] OR use Pgrep :) [04:21] sounds good I was just guessing [04:21] newbie too [04:21] Yeah either :) [04:22] did you try to go to http://localhost:8080/ and see if a page shows? [04:23] ps -e | grep apache2 ---> output nothing --> assume apache2 is not running [04:23] There's a command to list open ports as well... [04:23] Been a few months so I can't remember offhand. :/ [04:24] Server off=port not trapped [04:24] 'unopen' [04:24] If you see port 80 then obviously apache is going [04:25] netstat [04:25] heh [04:27] hmmm.. didn't see port 80 [04:27] i just installed tomcat6 package from package manager [04:27] and did "http://localhost:8080/" and the default page comes up with no tweaking [04:29] don't ask me how to change anything on it though [04:36] just wonder, am I supposed to see something like netstat -->tcp 0 0 localhost:80 localhost:??? ESTABLISHED [04:37] localhost or 127.0.0.1 or something [04:37] yeah [04:38] I see a few localhost but none of them are with 80 [04:42] did you look at the logs in /var/logs/apache2 [04:50] digmore [04:50] goto /usr/sbin [04:51] run ./apache2ctl start [04:54] works for me i had to do sudo ./apache2ctl stop then did again with start === hemathor_ is now known as hemathor [05:00] sudo ./apache2ctl stop [05:00] httpd (no pid file) not running [05:02] did you try start then? [05:03] sudo ./apache2ctl start [05:04] you could install KSystemLog from add/remove and look at the daemons.log for any clues as to why it didn't start or the error logs in /var/log/apache2/error.log [05:04] the error log said --> PHP Warning: [eAccelerator] This build of "eAccelerator" was compiled for PHP version 5.2.6-3ubuntu4.1. [05:05] Let me fix this first [05:10] thx keldin. I should look at the error log first [05:10] eAcceleration? Isn't that the company that makes Stop-Sign? ;) [05:12] I don't have a habbit to look at error log XD [05:15] good luck going back to installing kubuntu [05:15] me? [05:15] me [05:16] what did u use before? [05:16] i have vmware fusion on mac osx running 9.04 ubuntu it installed gnome (yuck) [05:16] want to get back to kde [05:16] i am downloading and installing kubuntu package now [05:16] how do i switch once its installed to kde? [05:17] keldin: log out, select kde from the gdm menu, log in [05:18] i didnt see an option to change, but once the package is done does an option show up? [05:18] keldin: should [05:19] keldin: should be a menu that you can get to, probably by clicking something along the bottom [05:19] i started with unix on ibm AIX with CDE so i've always been more partial to KDE than gnome (I am trying to not use windows dont want a copy of it). [05:21] i havent used ubuntu in a while been stuck in osx win world last i used was version 6.something its been a while [05:22] looks good in vmware on mac osx though, if i get this working will install on a netbook [05:22] keldin: things have changed a bit, mostly for the better, but some things are still catching up to what they once were [05:23] thats an interesting statement - btw had to use this to get vmware fusion to work with 9.04 it worked good though [05:24] http://communities.vmware.com/thread/208507 [05:24] download finished installing, after is done i will be back going to try to switch to kde [05:26] hello everyone [05:26] hi [05:27] how do I identify unwanted source files [05:32] does it help to add more cores to ubuntu in vmware? i have 8 cores right now only giving 1 core to unbuntu [05:33] should I increase to 2 or 3? [05:33] Why limit ourselves? IF I could get it legally, I'd make a hard drive for Mac OSX just to try... But most of the stuff I want on there is in Linux anyways. :P [05:34] i already pre-ordered snow leopard its only $24 [05:34] keldin- if the CPU usage is below 50%, I wouldn't bother [05:34] just get the hack to install the disk is only $24 [05:35] Isn't it illegal though on my Dell or other non-MAc? I wish Apple would create a version for generic PCs but then it wouldn't be Apple a nymore :) [05:35] I aint going that route [05:36] i have a macbook (pre-aluminum) and macpro 8 core tower [05:36] so not did it myself [05:36] this package is taking forever to install still in preconfigure stage [05:37]