[00:08] <iPoRn> hy, i've started my ubuntu, and a have a small icon that says: One or more disks are failing...i already boot a live cd, and made some fsck tests, but i still have the problem...here the output of the fsck : http://pr0n.no-ip.org/disco.log
[00:11] <alteregoa> lol
[00:11] <alteregoa> its ok dude
[00:11] <alteregoa> fsck doesnt know about your disk
[00:12] <alteregoa> it doesnt heal your disk dude
[00:12] <alteregoa> its smart self monitoring analysis reporting tool SMART
[00:12] <alteregoa> your harddisk told the OS that she's gonna die
[00:12] <iPoRn> the thing is, on the Palimsest program, it says that a have damaged sectors
[00:12] <alteregoa> yeah
[00:13] <iPoRn> my disk is going to die? ;o
[00:13] <alteregoa> thats a message from your harddrive
[00:13] <iPoRn> not again ;<
[00:13] <alteregoa> yes she is dying
[00:13] <alteregoa> get a 24/7 harddisk, not those cheap crap shitachis or samsucks
[00:13] <iPoRn> is it normal, to last only one year?
[00:13] <alteregoa> yes
[00:14] <alteregoa> because some of them are real crap
[00:14] <iPoRn> btw, for a laptop, what do you think is a good one?
[00:14] <alteregoa> take a look to the prices, do you think a disk could be good for just 50 bucks?
[00:15] <iPoRn> this one cost me near 100 euros
[00:15] <alteregoa> get a seagate
[00:15] <alteregoa> 500gb seagate or something
[00:15] <alteregoa> momentus
[00:15] <alteregoa> 7200.4
[00:16] <alteregoa> its the lowest power laptop hd with 7200rpm
[00:16] <alteregoa> and its capable of 24/7
[00:16] <alteregoa> 119 bucks on newegg
[00:17] <alteregoa> aprox 75 euros plus vat tax
[00:18] <iPoRn> dumb question, for laptop is 2.5pol, or 3.5 ?
[00:18] <alteregoa> 2.5
[00:18] <iPoRn> going to see the prices here, in my country
[00:19] <alteregoa> yeah your country adds 30 percent vat taxes
[00:21] <iPoRn> here, what i see more is, seagate, western digital and samsung
[00:23] <iPoRn> Disk Seagate 2,5" SATA 320Gb 7200rpm 16Mb - 67,90 €
[00:30] <protocols> hi all
[00:37] <alteregoa> buy the 7200.4
[00:37] <alteregoa> those first 320gb series with perpendicular recording sucks
[00:38] <alteregoa> the 2nd series are reliable, they are used in blades
[00:40] <RagnarokAngel> alright so I get quite the error w/ my dual screen setup on the -7 kernel that I don't get on the -6
[00:42] <RagnarokAngel> I think X crashes
[00:42] <RagnarokAngel> though, I'm not spit back to a terminal
[00:42] <RagnarokAngel> so
[00:42] <RagnarokAngel> it might be more sinister...
[00:47] <DanaG> Same here.
[00:48] <DanaG> -7 kernel crashes on trying to start Xorg.
[00:48] <DanaG> I've tried fglrx, radeon, fbdev, and vesa... all of them crash.
[00:48] <RagnarokAngel> well, it starts just fine for my regular screen
[00:48] <RagnarokAngel> but
[00:48] <DanaG> oh yeah, newegg newsletter is way handy, speaking of hard drives.
[00:48] <RagnarokAngel> trying to do both my laptop screen and the 1920x1080 external crashes it.
[00:49] <iPoRn> alteregoa, sorry to be such a pain in the butt, but you mean this one's right: http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/laptops/momentus/momentus_7200.4/
[00:49] <RagnarokAngel> at least when I'm trying to get them to do an unmirror display
[00:49] <DanaG> Actually, I liked my old 200GB Hitachi 7K200 better than I like my newer Seagate ST9250421AS (250GB 7200RPM drive) -- the older drive was way faster at spinning up from a stopped state.
[00:50] <DanaG> Old one took like a third to a half of a second; new one takes more like 3/4 of a second.
[00:51] <iPoRn> my issue is: im killing an HD in each year ;x
[00:51] <DanaG> how d'you manage that?
[00:51] <RagnarokAngel> iPoRn: if you've got lots of money to blow you could go w/ a SSD
[00:52] <DanaG> Too bad they're currently horribly expensive.
[00:52] <iPoRn> i dont ;p
[00:52] <DanaG> 200 gigs for 300 bucks... that's the price point I'm waiting for.
[00:53] <DanaG> Or even 200 gigs for 350 bucks.
[00:54] <iPoRn> western digital, is any good?
[00:54] <DanaG> beats me.  check storagereview.com and silentpcreview.com.
[00:55] <RagnarokAngel> DanaG: whoah. I paid 100 bucks for a TB from seagate....
[00:55] <genii> iPoRn: wd isn't horrible
[00:55] <RagnarokAngel> DanaG: now, the enclosure failed on me... But hopefully the drive is still good
[00:56] <giovani> 200GB for $300?
[00:56] <giovani> on what planet?
[00:56] <giovani> or rather, in what year?
[00:56] <RagnarokAngel> yeah, that's what I was thinking...
[00:56] <RagnarokAngel> You can do better with SSD :-p
[00:58] <giovani> the current price point for standard HDs now is 6-8 cents/GB
[00:58] <DanaG> That's what I meant... I want SSDs to reach that price point.  =þ
[00:59] <giovani> why do you need/want a SSD that large?
[00:59] <DanaG> Not necessarily the same as current hard drives... but not fiendishly expensive would be nice.
[00:59] <RagnarokAngel> giovani: because you can.
[01:00] <giovani> that's a bad reason
[01:00] <DanaG> Because I have lots of stuff to store.
[01:00] <giovani> place the right data on the right drive
[01:00] <RagnarokAngel> giovani: because I want instant access to all of my data.
[01:00] <giovani> DanaG: you should not being using a SSD for regular data storage
[01:00] <DanaG> And I like to keep it allllll with me.
[01:00] <genii> I recall paying $2400 for 3 SCSI-3 drives
[01:00] <giovani> it's a complete waste
[01:00] <giovani> DanaG: I have about 20TB of personal storage ... there's no reason for it to be SSD
[01:00] <RagnarokAngel> giovani: I'm jealous. hXc.
[01:00] <giovani> I'd put an OS on a SSD
[01:01] <DanaG> I like to carry my music and videos and such with me.
[01:01] <giovani> maybe some database storage
[01:01] <giovani> DanaG: you're a fool
[01:01] <DanaG> Why?
[01:01] <giovani> you should not be using SSDs for that kind of data for a long time (until they become dirt cheap)
[01:01] <genii> giovani: I have only 16Gb of storage
[01:01] <giovani> it's a complete waste
[01:01] <DanaG> That's why I don't have an SSD.
[01:01] <DanaG> =þ
[01:01] <RagnarokAngel> he's just overpaying....
[01:01] <genii> 16Tb rather
[01:01] <RagnarokAngel> BLAH.
[01:02] <RagnarokAngel> I totally need more storage
[01:02]  * DanaG roams.
[01:02] <giovani> there's no reason to put that data on a SSD until they're the same price as HDs
[01:02] <RagnarokAngel> and am a poor college student who is living off the cloud.
[01:02] <giovani> which won't be for many years
[01:02] <DanaG> I just need HP to let us buy the danged secondary drive bay WITHOUT a drive already included.
[01:02] <DanaG> Right now they charge 160 bucks for drive + bay.
[01:02] <RagnarokAngel> giovani: I dunno, if they continue the glut we may see it drop sooner than you think....
[01:02] <giovani> ebay?
[01:02] <DanaG> And the drive it comes with is a 250GB 5400RPM.
[01:02] <giovani> RagnarokAngel: nah, the manufacturing is just much more expensive
[01:02] <DanaG> http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06c/A10-51210-329233-1834651-329233-3762517-3762825-3762827.html
[01:03] <DanaG> Correction: they themselves charge 200.
[01:03] <DanaG> Third-party vendors charge more like 160.
[01:03] <RagnarokAngel> giovani: at the rate manufacturing is changing though, I'd wager 10 MAX before SSD becomes pretty standard in laptops.
[01:03] <giovani> 10 max?
[01:03] <giovani> DanaG: why not hit ebay for a used/broken one, and swap out the drive?
[01:04] <DanaG> 200 gigs for 350 bucks... that's about where I'll join in.
[01:04] <RagnarokAngel> giovani: 10 years max
[01:04] <giovani> you're foolish
[01:04] <giovani> RagnarokAngel: oh, nowhere near that long -- definitely in the next few years
[01:04] <giovani> but they won't be the same size as normal HDs obviously
[01:04] <RagnarokAngel> giovani: you made it sound like you were banking on a lot more!
[01:04] <giovani> even cheap, low-end netbooks have 16GB SSDs in them
[01:05] <RagnarokAngel> DanaG: I don't understand why you're paying so much for your HDD
[01:05] <giovani> RagnarokAngel: uh ... not at all -- maybe you misunderstood what I was talking about
[01:05] <RagnarokAngel> ....
[01:05] <RagnarokAngel> giovani: yep, I'm thinking the same thing
[01:05] <giovani> I was talking about when it would be appropriate for standard data to sit on SSDs
[01:05] <giovani> and that won't be for a long time
[01:05] <giovani> i.e. media storage for all of your media
[01:05] <RagnarokAngel> why's that
[01:05] <giovani> because of price point
[01:06] <giovani> putting a 32GB SSD in a laptop isn't at all the same concept
[01:06] <giovani> that's small, and not for storing all of your media
[01:06] <giovani> just enough to get through a day/week/whatever
[01:06] <giovani> Asus Eees have it right -- 16GB SSD for the OS
[01:06] <giovani> and a HD for the data
[01:06] <giovani> and they do that for $300 now
[01:06] <giovani> well, $330
[01:07] <RagnarokAngel> I'm thinking of upgrading my 900A to a bigger drive...
[01:07] <RagnarokAngel> but
[01:07] <RagnarokAngel> I guess I don't *really* need it
[01:07] <giovani> the point being ...
[01:07] <RagnarokAngel> between the 4gig and a 16 gig usb flash drive I got for free
[01:07] <RagnarokAngel> well
[01:07] <RagnarokAngel> I have 4 gigs of space on it
[01:07] <RagnarokAngel> it's not really enough for *all* the programs I use...
[01:07] <giovani> there's NO reason to pay twice as much (or even 1.3 as much) for a SSD to store your static media files
[01:08] <RagnarokAngel> ...
[01:08] <RagnarokAngel> so I should just move my /home directory to a flash card?
[01:08] <giovani> what?
[01:08] <RagnarokAngel> my eee
[01:08] <RagnarokAngel> has a 4 gig SSD in it
[01:09] <RagnarokAngel> which, if I get all the programs that I'd like to run on there
[01:09] <RagnarokAngel> is overcramped
[01:09] <giovani> replace it with either a bigger SSD, or a HD
[01:09] <RagnarokAngel> if I just migrate my /home directory to a flash card that I leave sitting in there
[01:09] <RagnarokAngel> the 900 isn't big enough for a HDD
[01:09] <RagnarokAngel> by any means
[01:09] <giovani> it doesn't use a standard size?
[01:10] <giovani> it's a proprietary flash?
[01:10] <RagnarokAngel> no, it's a standard interface
[01:10] <giovani> my UMPC is FAR smaller than an Asus Eee and it has a 1.8" drive in it
[01:10] <RagnarokAngel> hmm
[01:10] <giovani> you're mistaken
[01:10] <RagnarokAngel> I guess I might be able to cram a 1.8 in there....
[01:10] <RagnarokAngel> maybe....
[01:10] <giovani> for gods sake ... the iPod had a real HD in it
[01:10] <RagnarokAngel> I know that
[01:10] <RagnarokAngel> hah
[01:10] <giovani> it's 1/5th the size of your Asus
[01:10] <RagnarokAngel> yes, it is
[01:11] <RagnarokAngel> where is a teardown...
[01:11] <giovani> so, unless they put a proprietary drive in there
[01:11] <giovani> it's replaceable
[01:11] <giovani> time for dinner
[01:13] <darthanubis> anyone have the link to the not able to play more than two sound sources at one time
[01:13] <darthanubis> "bug"?
[01:13] <darthanubis> kubuntu 9.10, can't play flash audio while any other type of audio plays
[01:29] <urthmover> what isw the latest Karmic build  Alpha4?
[01:29] <alteregoa> yes
[01:29] <alteregoa> the last alpha
[01:29] <urthmover> alteregoa: thanks
[01:32] <RagnarokAngel> are there any fixes for the  -7 kernel and x?
[01:34] <urthmover> does vmware workstation run well on karmic?
[01:34] <urthmover> 6.5.2
[01:37] <alteregoa> maybe
[01:37] <alteregoa> if you got enough memory
[01:38] <RagnarokAngel> so. No X fixes for the -7 kernel?
[01:39] <LLStarks> urthmover
[01:39] <urthmover> me
[01:39] <LLStarks> it can run if you use the  kernel patch
[01:39] <LLStarks> but keyboard/mouse grabbing doesn't work properly
[01:39] <LLStarks> a huge problem
[01:40] <urthmover> LLStarks: thats a bummer.....is there a fix on the horizon?
[01:40] <LLStarks> no clue
[01:40] <urthmover> ok thanks for the scoop LLStarks
[01:49] <alteregoa> is dina washington any good?
[02:03] <DanaG> It'weird that 2.6.31-7-generic won't start Xorg.
[02:03] <DanaG> it's weird.
[02:04] <DanaG> ugh, and alt-f2 doesn't work on my spare laptop.
[02:05] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/398826
[02:05] <BluesKaj> DanaG, right click in the desktop , choose run command
[02:06] <DanaG> There is no "run command".
[02:06] <DanaG> At least, not on any of my computers.
[02:06] <BluesKaj> ouch
[02:06] <DanaG> I just had to turn off panel background.
[02:06] <DanaG> Yeah, that makes no sense... but it fixes it.
[02:12] <DanaG> heh, "package information was last updated 230 days ago."
[02:12] <DanaG> ... on a system that I just updated last week.
[02:16] <DanaG> hmm, I wonder when nouveau will be able to run compiz on nv17.
[02:16] <DanaG> nvidia-glx-96 can't do anything but segfault the X server.
[02:17] <DanaG> =þ
[02:17] <bjsnider> won't be updated for the new kernel until october
[02:17] <DanaG> Heh, but it's been broken for like 6 months, for me.
[02:17] <bjsnider> nouveau is for newer hardware anyway
[02:17] <DanaG> Even on Karmic.
[02:17] <DanaG> nvidia binary, that is.
[02:18] <DanaG> And it's been on 96.43.xx for like 2 years, hasn't it?
[02:18] <bjsnider> they don't have the programming resources on the unix team to turn that thing into a dynamo
[02:18] <bjsnider> replacify it
[02:18] <DanaG> Yeah, but I at least expect it not to segfault the X server.  =þ
[02:19] <DanaG> It was even just as broken way back on Intrepid.
[02:19] <bjsnider> k, make sure there's no more x server or kernel development
[02:19] <DanaG> That's not the point.
[02:19] <DanaG> Even on ones it claims to support... it still segfaults!
[02:19] <DanaG> They've released new versions for Intrepid and Jaunty... and they still segfault.
[02:19] <bjsnider> take up the nouveau code and write a good driver for the old hardware
[02:20] <DanaG> Or mail the old laptop I have, that has such a card, to nvidia... with a note saying: "try using this thing... you'll see how much nvidia-legacy sucks."
[02:20] <DanaG> And set it to auto-login with compiz enabled.
[02:20] <bjsnider> they'd say use the recommended operating system
[02:21] <DanaG> boot.  login.  *segfault.*  login.  *segfault.*  login.  *segfault.*  login.  *segfault.*  login.  *segfault.*
[02:21] <bjsnider> what did it ship with? xp?
[02:21] <DanaG> I think so.
[02:21] <bjsnider> it will work with nv won't it?
[02:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and if you use nvidia's normal drivers in Windows, you get 966x768.
[02:21] <DanaG> yeah, but no suspend or resume with nv or nouveau.
[02:22] <DanaG> And until recently, nouveau devoured like 80% cpu just drawing the desktop.
[02:22] <alteregoa> annot find video encoder (module:ffmpeg fourcc:mp1v)
[02:22] <bjsnider> you laptop people with your suspend/resume
[02:22] <DanaG> Glad that's only a spare laptop.
[02:22] <alteregoa> cvlc has errors i installed ffmpeg but it couldnt encode mp1v or mp2v
[02:22] <DanaG> About all I use it for, is for grabbing serial-over-lan console logs from my main machine.
[02:22] <bjsnider> turn the frigging thing off, don't suspend it
[02:22] <alteregoa> this sucks, its the ffmpeg stuff on ubuntu that doest work
[02:22] <bjsnider> why suspend something that doesn't have ECC ram?
[02:23] <DanaG> My new laptop works well enough with suspend and resume, though fglrx takes a while to resume.
[02:23] <DanaG> oh yeah, and that old laptop (toshiba 1415) has the worst possible CPU ever found in a laptop:
[02:23] <DanaG> a P4-based Celeron.
[02:23] <DanaG> Can you say... crap?  squared?
[02:24] <bjsnider> imagine if your new laptop had an nvidia 9400 m chip on it
[02:24] <DanaG> One of my friends has an XPS M1330 laptop that idles at like 60-70 C.
[02:24] <DanaG> And the GPU has failed, oh, twice.
[02:25] <DanaG> oh yeah, and Toshiba is stupid to have made an EDID that claims the LCD is 966x768.
[02:25] <alteregoa> i think a few packet maintainer didn't even try if those packets are compatible or workin
[02:25] <BluesKaj> interesting article here http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=874&tag=nl.e011
[02:26] <alteregoa> the last vlc version was working fine, now someone updated vlc and ffmpeg doesnt work anymore
[02:30] <bjsnider> "the operating system will become nothing more than an afterthought" -- linus couldn't have said it better
[02:31] <BluesKaj> I dumped medibuntu today and built the svn ffmpeg version, since the unstripped libavs aren't available
[02:33] <bjsnider> google's OS will bump up against the same video/sound issues all other distros have
[02:34] <BluesKaj> vlc from the karmic multiverse universe repos runs ok now ,but the ffmpeg executable has to be plaxed in /usr/local/bin/ instead of /usr/bin/ , so as to prevent foul ups with package managers
[02:34] <RagnarokAngel> what? I've been having no problems at all using VLC...
[02:36] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, if the chromium-browser is any indication ,i think google has the media issues well under control
[02:37] <bjsnider> google has nothing to say about it
[02:37] <BluesKaj> been using chromium  without any probs for 2 weeks
[02:38] <BluesKaj> most of the chromium devs are also working on the chrome OS
[02:39] <BluesKaj> and they work for google
[02:41] <bjsnider> they can't magically produce a composited desktop without the appropriate driver infrastructure, unless they apple-like maintain a stranglehold on the hardware used
[02:41] <alteregoa> i use cvlc
[02:41] <alteregoa> and vlc-nox
[02:42] <alteregoa> i need that stuff to transcode videos to mpeg2 for several apps
[02:43] <alteregoa> its the ffmpeg maintainer
[02:43] <alteregoa> not vlc
[02:46] <BluesKaj> ffmpeg has been stripped in some updates , you need the unstripped libs to work with it like libavcodec-unstripped-52
[02:47] <BluesKaj> as an example
[02:48] <DanaG> why unstripped?
[02:49] <DanaG> And stripped of what?
[02:49] <bjsnider> stripped of patented codecs
[02:49] <bjsnider> and unstripped of them
[02:50] <bjsnider> how dreary and boring
[02:50] <DanaG> ah, as opposed to stripped of debug symbols.
[02:50] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/202855
[02:50] <DanaG> oh hell, it's even broken as far back as Hardy!
[02:51] <DanaG> yay for nvidia failage.
[02:51] <BluesKaj> I was using a python script in conjunction with pyTivo for transferring and on the fly encoding for video transfers to a TiVo on ournetwork and after an update this morning ffmpeg would longer encode to mpeg2.
[02:51] <bjsnider> use another driver
[02:52] <DanaG> yeah, I use nouveau on the thing now.
[02:52] <DanaG> Sucks that there's no compiz, though.
[02:54]  * BluesKaj checks compiz
[02:54] <DanaG> On nouveau, I mean!
[02:54] <BluesKaj> hopefully I don't have any issues with compiz
[02:56] <DanaG> hmm, and there's some major fail on the part of Toshiba.
[02:56] <DanaG> http://blog.freshnewpage.com/2008/04/26/nvidia-geforce4-420-go-on-ubuntu-804-hardy-heron/
[02:56] <DanaG> heh, like one is 1588x1200.
[02:57] <DanaG> ... and another is 1372×1050.
[02:58] <DanaG> 1024 - 966 = 58.  1400 - 1372 = 28.  1600 - 1588 = 12.
[03:11] <NoCode> Is there anyway to fix the crackling with audio?
[03:13] <alteregoa> yes
[03:14] <alteregoa> damn crap  Your FFMPEG installation is crippled.
[03:18] <NoCode> alteregoa: So what do I have to do?
[03:20] <DanaG> that's weird... there was a "keys" (as in the ones you use to open doors) icon in my notification area... and when I clicked on it, it disappeared.
[03:25] <alteregoa> what i have to re-install windows 7, because im mad of it
[03:25] <alteregoa> do they test the packages?! i think no, they just modify it with some spaghetti code and think its ok
[03:27] <alteregoa> its like a ham radio operator, if he gets a final product (vlc and ffmpeg) they try to modify it for no reason
[03:27] <hggdh> alteregoa, if you think this sucks so much, why don't you try another distribution, instead of just ranting?
[03:27] <alteregoa> no, i think its better to keep the stuff how it is, and test it before release it
[03:28] <hggdh> so why don't you do that -- testing --, and open bugs on the errors you find? You are not really helping right now
[03:28] <IdleOne> alteregoa: arent we testing?
[03:29] <alteregoa> yeah, but don't touch running stuff, thats weird
[03:29] <alteregoa> and there is no way to rollback a updates
[03:29] <IdleOne> alteregoa: it may have been running for you but there were a 1000 people it didnt run for
[03:30] <IdleOne> so report a bug and if you have the know how try to help fix it
[03:30] <alteregoa> whatever, i never had problems with cvlc and ffmpeg, the maintainer of ffmpeg should never touch it if he didn't know what he does
[03:30] <IdleOne> but crying in here like a little baby is not going to help
[03:31] <alteregoa> ok i fill a unecessary time wasting bug report, and i hope someone reads like the other 1000 reports i've filled
[03:32] <IdleOne> I see
[03:32] <IdleOne> the entire Ubuntu community and devs, hell even canonical hates you...
[03:33] <IdleOne> that must be it
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[03:33] <alteregoa> hate lol, thats kindergarten stuff
[03:34] <hggdh> alteregoa, please, either *help*, or (1) build your own version of FFMPEG, or (2) stop complaining
[03:34] <alteregoa> no i put a debian repo of ffmpeg and it works
[03:34] <alteregoa> cause they know it better i think
[03:35] <hggdh> good. go debian, then. Or -- what would be better -- HELP CORRECT IT.
[03:35] <darthanubis> audio in flash stops once an application starts audio...
[03:37] <BluesKaj> hggdh, I don't think it's a bug ..i think the latest version of ffmpeg is a stripped "version" and even medibuntu doesn't carry the full version , www.ffmpeg.org the place to find the fully loaded one
[03:38] <hggdh> BluesKaj, if this is correct (and I have no reason to question it), then it is either a bug, or we are missing other updates to come in
[03:38] <alteregoa> stripped, what a crap
[03:39] <BluesKaj> it installs in usr/local/bin/ rather than the default /usr/bin to avoid beinf updated by the packafe managers and thereby being stripped agian
[03:39] <hggdh> wow, hold on
[03:40] <hggdh> are you stating an Ubuntu package is installing to /usr/local?
[03:40] <BluesKaj> nope svn
[03:41] <hggdh> ah, OK. Yes, if you ./configure without any other parameters (like --prefix=) the default install is always on /usr/local
[03:41] <hggdh> which is known to sometimes create some problems
[03:43] <BluesKaj> yeah, i tried to prefix /usr/local for the latest VLC build but it wouldn't , I got the old familiar targer error thing with the make cmnd , so installed the multi/universe repos versuion instead
[03:44] <BluesKaj> target error
[03:45] <hggdh> BluesKaj, a good option when building from trunk is to run ./configure --help, and look at all the parameters. Also, it is a good idea to put an equal sign
[03:45] <BluesKaj> i followed the readme and the install instructions to the letter but I guess my setup wasn't right somehow
[03:45] <alteregoa> compiling....
[03:45] <hggdh> like --prefix=/usr/bin, instead of --prefix /usr/bin
[03:49] <BluesKaj> well thx hggdh ' , I'll keep that in my liltextfile for cli cmnds :)
[03:50] <BluesKaj> fortunately the multivers/universe repos version of VLC works fine right now
[03:50] <hggdh> heh
[03:51] <BluesKaj> I don't hav effmpeg in the usr/bin so none of the other media players can run video
[03:51] <BluesKaj> not that i care , I prefer VLC anyway
[03:51] <RagnarokAngel> Why do audio calls fail as soon as I accept them in empathy?
[03:52] <NoCode> Submitted a bug
[03:52] <hggdh> RagnarokAngel, I do not know. Are there errors reported?
[03:52] <RagnarokAngel> lemme run it in the terminal....
[03:52] <NoCode> Tried the ffmpeg thing and it didn't work
[03:53] <RagnarokAngel> alright
[03:53] <RagnarokAngel> lemme do an audio call now
[03:54] <RagnarokAngel> ok
[03:54] <RagnarokAngel> I'm getting the error (empathy:13676): tp-fs-DEBUG: stream 1 0x98b2098 (audio) close: close requested by connection manager
[03:54] <RagnarokAngel> when the call comes in
[03:55] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: I'll put up a pastebin
[03:56] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: http://pastebin.com/m414fc0ac
[03:58] <RagnarokAngel> any ideas anyone?
[03:58] <hggdh> RagnarokAngel, it seems good enough for a bug -- it may be related to the valve element not being created (whatever that is)
[03:58] <RagnarokAngel> blast
[03:58] <RagnarokAngel> that really isn't helpful for calls...but I'll submit the bug
[03:59] <hggdh> yes, I understand it. Are you aware there is a daily trunk version of empathy & companions?
[03:59] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: ?? Like a PPA?
[03:59] <hggdh> indeed
[03:59] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: got a place to point me?
[03:59] <RagnarokAngel> hggdh: or should I just search launchpad?
[04:00] <hggdh> getting it, RagnarokAngel
[04:00] <RagnarokAngel> this ig? hggdh, https://launchpad.net/~telepathy/+archive/ppa
[04:01] <hggdh> RagnarokAngel, http://pastebin.com/f30a624b4
[04:02] <RagnarokAngel> ...apt-key?
[04:02] <hggdh> oh
[04:02] <hggdh> a sec
[04:02] <RagnarokAngel> ok
[04:04] <hggdh> RagnarokAngel,  0x5AFE82CE
[04:06] <BluesKaj> nite all, sacktime for old guys
[04:06] <hggdh> BluesKaj, good idea. I off also. g'night all y'all
[04:20] <lamalex> Hey, has anyone tried using their ipod with banshee in karmic? it seems like the move to devicekit-disks has broken detection
[04:21] <NoCode> anyone else having crackling issues even with ffmeg enabled in the pulse configuration?
[04:24] <aboSamoor> The music playing Fn keys on my thinkpad are not working, any idea how can I debug the problem ?
[04:33] <x1250> seems k9copy is completely broken? It can't read a DVD or ISO file.
[04:35] <x1250> it works with specifying a directory though. Can anyone confirm?
[04:36] <DanaG> woof.
[04:36] <DanaG> play on words.
[04:53] <nhasian> hello everyone
[05:39] <dotblank> Anything change with ldap authentication in karmic?
[06:01] <HAB> I am loving my karmic
[06:02] <HAB> the sound has never worked so good on my netbook
[06:04]  * Jeruvy pats HAB on the back
[06:08] <HAB> I just saved a notes gedit text file into my ubuntuone my files and now I have it on all my machines:)
[06:36] <Severian> There is a warning in /boot/grub/menu.lst not to edit it.  I don't see that I have a choice, since every updates keep messing up the boot process.  Is there something I should be worried about?
[06:39] <SwedeMike> why does it mess up?
[06:40] <SwedeMike> the update process uses some options from the boot file which you might want to edit so it'll be ok in the future
[06:40] <SwedeMike> look in the "## ## Start Default Options ##" section
[06:41] <Severian> Updates take out the verbose option for the kernel and substitute quiet.  Ihave been saved several times because I could see what happens during boot.
[06:49] <Severian> What do you mean by the boot file?  I grepped for Default in every file in /boot/grub and found nothing.
[07:00] <xtknight> Severian, it's in /etc/grub.cfg
[07:00] <xtknight> err
[07:00] <xtknight> no maybe in /etc/grub.d/
[07:00] <xtknight> i dont know
[07:01] <xtknight> grub2 vs grub1 maybe
[07:02] <Severian> I see a /etc/default/grub.   It has no default section, but maybe that is where I should add stuff.
[07:46] <Hirato> hi: I'd just like to mention that on my laptop (an IBM thinkpad; T42 model) renders KDE incorrectly if compositing is disabled
[07:50] <Hirato> http://i29.tinypic.com/2a5m3oo.png <-- just in case you'd like to see the corruption with compositing off
[07:55] <Hirato> and on another note, I'm curious as to why kded4 is hogging over 94% of the CPU cycles
[07:56] <nzmm> because its blingtastic
[07:57] <Hirato> didn't think they've seen fit to make a krapper yet :P
[08:00] <cdE|Woozy> moin
[08:25] <jml> hello
[09:02] <Exilant> hi, just screwed up my system. Can someone tell me which key should give me the grub menu at startup?
[09:03] <Exilant> all i seem to get is a blank screen, so maybe that's also broken
[09:05] <nzmm> have a look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[09:05] <nzmm> might help
[09:06] <Exilant> oh, grub still works fine, i want to get in the menu though
[09:06] <Exilant> mh
[09:07] <Hirato> ESC?
[09:07] <Exilant> but i'll try a livecd, will probably also help solve the problem
[09:07] <Exilant> mhm
[09:07] <Exilant> Hirato: thanks, i'll try
[09:12] <nzmm> e brings up the grub command line i think
[09:17] <Exilant> thanks, esc brought up the menu
[09:17] <Exilant> apt won't run anymore if dbus is not running however
[09:18] <Exilant> but i can finally sudo again, so i hope i can fix all that
[10:05] <keith> Is this the correct channel for Kubuntu issues as well?
[10:06] <Exilant> keith: yes
[10:06] <mac_v> hi... i'v got a nautilus issue ,i think is related to my bug where thumbnails dont refresh, when i tried to reboot i'v got a message saying some programs are still running , and shows a huge list of nautilus events [copy,move,delete] these events where completed a long time ago , now my question is how do i catch whats going on?
[10:06] <Exilant> hm, i think. it used to be
[10:07] <keith> Exilant, how can I find out for sure? or should I raise my issue and see if I get yelled at? :)
[10:07] <mac_v> keith: this is for kubuntu+1 also
[10:07] <Exilant> still forwards here, #kubuntu+1 -> #ubuntu+1
[10:08] <keith> that explains why it didn't do anything when I tried to go to kubuntu+1
[10:08] <keith> I was already here
[10:08] <keith> lol
[10:08] <keith> ok. Because for some reason the kicker doesn't seem to mount drives when you try to open the first time.
[10:09] <keith> but clicking in the "Recently Plugged in Devices" does
[10:09] <keith> but not if you try from the kicker first
[10:10] <Exilant> that seems horribly broken in kde 4 to me
[10:11] <keith> If I try from the kicker first, then it doesn't work from "Recently Plugged in Devices" either.
[10:12] <keith> I wanted to confirm that it was a bug, if possible
[10:12] <keith> since I am using a VM
[10:12] <keith> and also where to report it. Same place as Ubuntu bugs?
[10:13] <Exilant> yes, launchpad
[11:14] <Wizzup> Will Ubuntu 9.10 include X 1.7?
[11:16] <Exilant> hm, is it already done?
[11:16] <Exilant> x is chronically late on release dates
[11:17] <gnomefreak> Exilant: 1.6 still atm
[11:17] <Exilant> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-x/2009-August/000602.html
[11:38] <Wizzup> Exilant: Yes, it is late with releases. Very late.
[11:38] <Wizzup> Ok, so 1.6.3 :)
[13:09] <keylocker>     from pytz import timezone
[13:09] <keylocker> ImportError: No module named pytz
[13:09] <keylocker> whereis pytz in karmic?
[13:40] <nacho_> Hi
[13:40] <nacho_> is anybody experiencing crashes in eclipse?
[13:41] <nacho_> I just open a file make a few things like showing the tooltips of an error and it crashes
[13:55] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:18] <DrHalan1> hey, will there be an update to pidgin 2.6.1?
[14:26] <eagles0513875> hey guys im running karmic on the latest version of vbox and for some reason its not letting me install the guest additions?
[14:26] <eagles0513875> would that be an issue with karmic still being in dev or somethign with vbox
[14:27] <eagles0513875> also having some issues with installing some updates to the core fonts its unable to resolve the sourceforge address for this one font which is a .exe file
[14:32] <ikonia> eagles0513875: where did you get vbox from ?
[14:32] <eagles0513875> ikonia: this is on my windows machine and form the vbox website
[14:32] <eagles0513875> its the latest version
[14:33] <ikonia> what are you on about that your running karmic then ?
[14:33] <eagles0513875> ikonia i said hey guys im running karmic on the latest version of vbox and for some reason its not letting me install the guest additions?
[14:34] <ikonia> ahhh I see
[14:34] <ikonia> what happens when you try to install ?
[14:34] <eagles0513875> it doesnt even mount them for one and the other issue is that im fighting to install this updtaed core font since it doesnt seem to resolve the url to the sf site
[14:35] <ikonia> eagles0513875: what do you mean doesn't mount them ? can you explain where it's faling ?
[14:35] <ikonia> failing even
[14:35] <eagles0513875> 2 things
[14:36] <ikonia> go for it
[14:36] <eagles0513875> first thing is the guest additions which you normally mount to access the various installs that you install from teh guest os
[14:36] <ikonia> ok, walk me through that problem
[14:36] <ikonia> lets do 1 at a time
[14:36] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:37] <ikonia> I'm not a big vbox user, so don't be afraid of being basic with me
[14:37] <eagles0513875> well in the window of the guest os you click on devices and then at the bottom it says install guest additions
[14:37] <ikonia> yup
[14:37] <eagles0513875> usually a cd like icon pops up for you to mount
[14:37] <ikonia> understand that part
[14:38] <eagles0513875> whats failing is that cd icon doesnt show up
[14:38] <ikonia> ok - now as I recall that's just a package, you should be able to grab and mount that manually
[14:38] <eagles0513875> ok will try that now
[14:38] <catweazle> eagles0513875: have you ever installed guest-additions under linux that way?
[14:38] <eagles0513875> catweazle: yes even on osx 2
[14:39] <eagles0513875> but for some reason it doesnt wanna work on win
[14:39] <ikonia> Kopi_klonja: can you please pick a nick name and stick with it
[14:39] <ikonia> that works too
[14:40] <eagles0513875> blarg im an idiot i know my problem
[14:40] <eagles0513875> brb
[14:40] <ikonia> do share
[14:41] <ikonia> idiot mistakes are good to know as people make them all the time
[14:41] <aboSamoor> with the last updates ubuntu does not power off when I try to shutdown :(
[14:42] <maxb> ditto
[14:42] <ikonia> really, I'm powering off fine
[14:42] <ikonia> does shutdown -h now power it off ?
[14:43] <genii> Is BIOS before 2000 ?
[14:44] <alteregoa> yes
[14:44] <maxb> It's not poweroff per se that's the problem - it's still alive enough to respond to Ctrl-Alt-Del, print a few more lines, still fail to shut down, and then succumb to REISUB
[14:44] <alteregoa> lol a such old pc haaaaa
[14:44] <maxb> And I've seen this both on Aspire One and a 2007-vintage ThinkPad
[14:45] <Hirato> funny taht you mention that, I just tried to shut my laptop down, and it was stuck in a tty screen
[14:45] <Hirato> said something about terminating the remaining processes; but alas it appears as though it didn't
[14:47] <aboSamoor> did any reply to my problem with powering off the laptop, sorry compiz hang out so I had to restart gdm
[14:48] <genii> aboSamoor: Is BIOS before 2000 ?
[14:50] <aboSamoor> genii: I am not sure ! everything was working fine before yesterday's updates, I think the new .7 kernel made the problem
[14:51] <aboSamoor> does any one know how to kill compiz it is not responding to killall ! compiz is crazy it is eating 100% CPU
[14:52] <drs305> aboSamoor: you can start metacity with   metacity --replace
[14:55] <aboSamoor> drs305: I made that and metacity is working beside compiz !
[14:58] <bjsnider> use system, monitor to kill it
[14:58] <drs305> aboSamoor: Try getting the compiz PID with:  ps aux, then kill it with  kill -9 PID
[14:58] <aboSamoor> bjsnider: I am using sudo top with killl
[14:59] <aboSamoor> drs305: kill -9 PID worked :)
[15:04] <Awsoonn_> hi all, I just tried to install from the daily alt image and grub2 was installed but not configured. How might I boot the system?
[15:04] <Awsoonn_> I am sitting at grub>
[15:06] <arand> Awsoonn_: find, root and boot, afaik
[15:08] <arand> Awsoonn_: "find /boot/grub/stage1" ,, "root (hd#,#)" ,, "boot"
[15:08] <Awsoonn_> arand: yea, it says file not found T_T
[15:09] <Awsoonn_> I am able to root (hd0,0) ok
[15:09] <BluesKaj> Awsoonn_, sudo upgrade-from-grub-legacy
[15:10] <Awsoonn_> BluesKaj: it is a fresh install and have not yet been able to boot
[15:11] <Awsoonn_> when I do 'root (hd0,0) it does recognize the filesystem as 0x83, and the only other partion is swap.
[15:13] <arand> Awsoonn_: is grub not present on the partition (does it find /boot/grub/stage1 ? )
[15:13] <Awsoonn_> arand: grub2 was installed durring installation, but find does not work.
[15:14] <Awsoonn_> I could boot the alt cd and see if the file exists really quick
[15:15] <BluesKaj> Awsoonn_ do you have a pencil handy?  ,alt+ctrl+f2 , will bring you to a TTY prompt then type :  sudo apt-get install grub2 , then , : sudo upgrade-from-grub-legacy and next : sudo grub-install , then : sudo reboot
[15:15] <arand> Um, if he doesn't get past grub he donn ave tty right?
[15:15] <Awsoonn_> BluesKaj: will that work from the alt cd?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> in the terminal, yes
[15:16] <drs305> Awsoonn_: Have you tried running grub-install again?
[15:18] <Awsoonn_> I just mounted the disk from teh alt CD and found something interesting: /boot/grub/ascii.pf2 is the only file in that folder
[15:19] <Awsoonn_> there does exist /boot/vmlinuz-blah
[15:20] <alteregoa> you need to edit gorge
[15:20] <alteregoa> the gorge starter, some fraggles know how to edit it
[15:20] <alteregoa> but ask a doozer first
[15:20] <drs305> Awsoonn_: Grub2 didn't get installed. There should be lots of .mod files - if you have mounted your installed partition and are not looking the CD's boot partition.
[15:21] <indus> hi
[15:21] <ikonia> eagles0513875: what was the problem in the end ?
[15:21] <eagles0513875> stupidity on my part
[15:21] <indus> anyone have problems shutting down system?
[15:21] <ikonia> go o......
[15:21] <eagles0513875> i have it set to mount the karmic install iso
[15:21] <ikonia> indus: few people have mentioned it
[15:21] <eagles0513875> need to set it to mount the cd drive
[15:21] <Awsoonn_> drs305: is there a way to install grub2 again from the alt cd?
[15:21] <ikonia> eagles0513875: ahhh easy mistake to make
[15:21] <eagles0513875> ya
[15:22] <indus> also,anyone have this message at boot>> loading the saved state of the serial devices
[15:22] <indus> and hangs
[15:22] <ikonia> indus: yes, but it doesn't hang
[15:22] <alteregoa> my cat told me always meow
[15:22] <ikonia> alteregoa: ?
[15:22] <drs305> Awsoonn_: I haven't used the karmic alt cd. Perhaps someone else knows.
[15:22] <indus> oh
[15:23] <indus> it doesnt go forward for me
[15:23] <indus> ikonia: any idea what that message is about? i reported a bug also
[15:23] <alteregoa> its about a girl
[15:23] <indus> what?
[15:23] <alteregoa> heart shaped box
[15:23] <ikonia> indus: as I understand it it's just what it says on the tin, to try to get last known configuraton from serial devices, eg: a printer
[15:24] <ikonia> alteregoa: what are you going on about, this channel is for ubuntu 9.10 discussion ?
[15:24] <Awsoonn_> et al: please don't feed the trolls
[15:24] <alteregoa> ah i thought its about grunge
[15:24] <ikonia> alteregoa: no - it's about ubuntu 9.10 - please stick to that topic only
[15:24] <indus> ikonia: oh man, i dont know why it hangs though.
[15:24] <ikonia> indus: no, I wouldn't expect it to hang. Do you have any serial devices in the box ?
[15:25] <indus> ikonia: hmm no printers ,no devices attached either
[15:25] <alteregoa> ok ruler of ubuntu+1 i will follow your advises
[15:25] <eagles0513875> ikonia: my other issue is with a core fonts updated package of one of the fonts for some reason i cant resolve the url of the source forge website and for some reason it is trying to download a .exe font file
[15:25] <indus> is an hard drive a serial device?
[15:25] <ikonia> eagles0513875: sourceforge often go down
[15:25] <ikonia> indus: I've seen usb hard disk caddies sometimes picked up wrong, but not really
[15:26] <indus> also,this happens randomly , like on every alternate reboot not everytime
[15:26] <alteregoa> i had a ubs harddisk, but unfortunately i didnt' pay my taxes, so i lost the disk
[15:27] <eagles0513875> this was 2 days ago it wasnt working and it still isnt working ikonia
[15:27] <indus> anyways bye
[15:29] <ikonia> eagles0513875: contact sourceforge for that, or the maintainers
[15:29] <itswhatev> i inadvertently installed some hud thing that shows up in my gnome session.. have no clue what this is called so i can remove it.. any ideas?  it's got a left-hand panel and some other icon panel at the top of the screen
[15:29] <ikonia> eagles0513875: not really anyting ubuntu can do about their url not resolving
[15:29] <eagles0513875> ikonia: what i dont understand is why is it wanting to download a font which is in .exe format
[15:30] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it's how some of them where packaged as executales, it's a silly frustration of mine
[15:30] <eagles0513875> ikonia: dont blame ya for it being a frustrration of urs
[15:30] <eagles0513875> ikonia: do they have a channel on here or not
[15:31] <arand> Awsoonn_: http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide I think might be helpful
[15:31] <ikonia> eagles0513875: don't think so
[15:31] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, *.exe files ?
[15:31] <Awsoonn_> arand: oh wow, let me give that a read, thanks!
[15:31] <eagles0513875> ya font update its trying to pull a .exe core font from sourceforge BluesKaj
[15:32] <Awsoonn_> arand: I am wondering if it has anything to do with my raid device, so I'm installing once more~
[15:32] <itswhatev> also.. every new window open up completely maximized..
[15:32] <BluesKaj> those are windows exe files , eagles0513875
[15:32] <eagles0513875> i know
[15:32] <eagles0513875> but on karmic there was an update to ttf corefont or something that its wanting to pull this .exe from sourceforge
[15:32] <eagles0513875> ikonia: hey there actuallly is a sourceforge channel in here
[15:33] <ikonia> eagles0513875: yes, but not for that project
[15:33] <eagles0513875> ahhh
[15:33] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, sourceforge as a repos ?
[15:34] <Awsoonn_> the coorefonts package is a restricted package that has fonts inside it that are extracted and installed in ubuntu as ttf fonts.
[15:34] <Awsoonn_> I think the best thing to do is file a bug on launchpad against the package. :)
[15:34] <BluesKaj> now I'm curious
[15:35] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: beats me but thats where the corefonts seem to come from
[15:35] <BluesKaj> Awsoonn_, youshould have mentioned your raid setup, that puts a diff light on your grub2 issue
[15:35] <Awsoonn_> oh? what do ya know?
[15:36] <darthanubis> can only play audio from one source at a time, kubuntu 9.10
[15:36] <BluesKaj> I just know that raid setups are not as straightforward with grub
[15:37] <darthanubis> pulseaudio is working
[15:37] <Awsoonn_> :) Of course that would be the case.... XD
[15:37] <darthanubis> enabling multicast/rtp creates a flood of network noise
[15:38] <BluesKaj> once you are booted into (k)ubuntu you can then configure grub to accomodate the raid setuo afaik
[15:38] <Awsoonn_> I THOUGHT this machine had hardware raid.... I might be mistaken now though...
[15:38] <Awsoonn_> So install to one disk, boot, them mirror to the other disk?
[15:40] <aboSamoor> the latest updates are CRAZY, pidgin crash all the time, Compiz eat 100% CPU, Shutdown does not Power Off, I don't know where to start !
[15:40]  * Awsoonn_ pats aboSamoor 
[15:40] <BluesKaj> Awsoonn_, yes I think so , not absolutely sure ...anyone ?
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Awsoonn_, however your old grub )legacy) was setup , then grub2 should work the same way
[15:42] <stephenesherman> alpha 4 seems ok to me
[15:42] <eagles0513875> ikonia: seems the server for it have changed
[15:43] <BluesKaj> Awsoonn_, did yo do the terminal cmnds for grub ?
[15:43] <Awsoonn_> I'm installing again to a single disk currently.
[15:44] <BluesKaj> Awsoonn_,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[15:44] <Awsoonn_> and because this is a new machine, I dont know how it would have been installed on the legacy system. :)
[15:44] <ikonia> eagles0513875: ah, there you go
[15:44] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:44] <eagles0513875> what should i file a bug against
[15:53] <darthanubis> everything is for the most part fine here. Just probably should have left kubuntu only. Phonon and pulse don't like each other. And I can't seem to play flash audio without pulseaudio installed.
[15:53] <stephenesherman> has anyone had alpha 4, or previous alpha version "break" their system?
[15:54] <ikonia> eagles0513875: errr nothing
[15:54] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it's a sourceforge problem
[15:54] <darthanubis> It has usually been ok to run alpha til release for me, but I guess that only was because I never used Kubuntu/kde
[15:54] <eagles0513875> ikonia: could it be that the mirrors to the file have changed?
[15:54] <darthanubis> Now it seems sound is such a mess, it is unusable to any degree
[15:55] <ikonia> eagles0513875: ask them ? it's nothing to do with ubuntu, hence no bug
[15:55] <eagles0513875> they told me that the mirrors have probably changed
[15:57] <stephenesherman> will alpha 5, 6, beta, and Final be installed as simple upgrades (i.e. leaving data & settings intact), or will they be totally new installs?
[15:59] <James147> stephenesherman: I think they are installed as upgrades, the snapshots are just for ppl wanted a fresh install to get the lasest less bug prones cd builds
[16:00] <eagles0513875> the problem i c with just upgrading form 9.04 to 9.10 is alot of the new stuff at least the boot loader grub 2 doesnt get installed
[16:02] <BluesKaj> seems there are a some repository & application update bugs , more are becoming visible everyday as more updates come down the pipe
[16:02] <BluesKaj> I've removed the medibuntu repos , for one
[16:03] <stephenesherman> eagles0513875: (if u were addressing me) I have installed alpha 4, per the instructions. I like it, and would just as soon keep it as my home "production" machine. But not if I have to backup data and reset settings several times between now and Final 9.10.
[16:03] <eagles0513875> stephenesherman: sry misunderstood what you were saying
[16:03] <eagles0513875> if you update all the packages between now and final youll end up with the final versions of things that get released with karmic
[16:04] <Awsoonn_> does anyone get stuck on "Setting users and passwords" usign the alt install?
[16:04] <James147> stephenesherman: you shouldent have to reinstall it, but in the unlikly case you ever do i suggest having a seperate /home partition, that way you can reinstall all you like and never lose and data (unless you format the /home partition)
[16:05] <BluesKaj> looks like source code may be the way to go for media codecs and apps in the future. I suspect the MPPA and RIAA are having an influence even on the european repos hosts
[16:05] <stephenesherman> eagles0513875: Right. Thanks.
[16:06] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: i still install kubuntu-restricted-extras no problem with them
[16:06] <stephenesherman> James147: Good idea, but may be "over my pay grade." :)
[16:06] <James147> stephenesherman: ?? what do you mean?
[16:07] <James147> stephenesherman: should be no need to buy anything to to create seprate partitions
[16:07] <stephenesherman> Anyway, it seems like Alpha 4 hasn't "broken" anyone's system, and is reliable enuf for home use.
[16:07] <Awsoonn_> Has anyone installed using today's alt cd image successfully?
[16:07] <James147> Wouldent recomend it though, updates can still break things
[16:07] <stephenesherman> James: Sry. "over my pay grade" means "beyond my technical skills"
[16:08] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, well, my ffmpeg version was updated and stripped , it would no longer encode to mpeg on the fly when transferring video to TiVO , so I had to build the svn version and place in a usr/local/bin to keep it safe from the repos "upgrade for ffmpeg"
[16:09] <James147> stephenesherman:  :) o well, its not too hard with the installer and some google searches
[16:09] <eagles0513875> ouchie BluesKaj :(
[16:09] <eagles0513875> damn the mppa and riaa
[16:09] <stephenesherman> James: Gotcha.
[16:10] <stephenesherman> James: If I back up any critical data on CD/DVD, then risk should be minimal. Would you agree?
[16:11] <James147> stephenesherman: with all your data on another medium and no other os on your system then there should be no risk (unless you forgot to back somehting up)
[16:11] <James147> stephenesherman: remember to check your data on the backups before you try :)
[16:12] <stephenesherman> James: Correct. And good point about checking the data on  backups. I've experienced that before.
[16:13] <BluesKaj> ppl think they are getting full versions of media vehicles like ffmpeg and codecs etc, but the only way is to use the "unstripped libraries" like libavcodec-unstrppied-52 in conjunction with svn-ffmpeg to make their pc-pvr and lan connected media work
[16:14] <James147> stephenesherman: if you need anyhelp in reformatting just give me a shout
[16:15] <stephenesherman> James: Thanks very much.
[16:15] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875,  I guess I'm an anaomoly, being more media oriented than most , here.
[16:15] <eagles0513875> im extremely media oriented
[16:15] <eagles0513875> im a budding dj dude
[16:15] <hggdh> all: regarding ffmpeg issues, you may want to read this thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-August/028743.html
[16:18] <eagles0513875> thats interesting
[16:20] <BluesKaj> hggdh, thx for the heads up , I'm glad the codec and unstripped issues appear to be resolved , but I'll stick with this until the "-extras" are officailly available in the multiverse karmic repos
[16:26] <hggdh> BluesKaj, indeed. We can expect some breakage while all dependencies are worked out
[16:27] <hggdh> and please let this server as a warning, since some here (at least yesterday night, US CDT time) cannot understand that you run Alphas on your *own* risk
[16:28] <BluesKaj> hggdh, kudos to you and Reinhard Tartler for the good work and info on this sissue :)
[16:28] <hggdh> heh. siretart is the one to get the kudos...
[16:28] <hggdh> (Rienhard)
[16:29] <BluesKaj> well, directing us to the solution helps a lot :)
[16:31] <DanaG> hmm, there's a reference to a "technical board" -- what's all that about?
[16:31] <DanaG> Is there a link to that somewhere?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> hggdh, and i do have about 7 dependency issues with the regular versions of libavcodec/ffmpeg in the repos , so I'm avoiding those apps til things get resolved
[16:33] <hggdh> so am I, so am I...
[16:34] <BluesKaj> DanaG, http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/techboard
[16:35] <BluesKaj> and https://launchpad.net/~techboard
[16:35] <DanaG> grr, stupid Deluge torrent client... forgets what order I put the torrents-to-be-downloaded in!@
[16:36] <BluesKaj> ktorrent ftw !
[16:44] <secretdude> whats this 'cupsddk' package?
[16:46] <secretdude> hello dudes???++
[16:46] <secretdude> theres like 215 ppl in this channel
[16:46] <secretdude> and NOBODY talks to me?? WHAT THE HELL
[16:46] <secretdude> i had cups before in my ubuntu and it install update or upgrade or something
[16:46] <secretdude> and now it has cupsddk package, but it wont upgrade+? why not??
[16:46] <secretdude> i read its transitional package??
[16:47] <BluesKaj> !patience | secretdude
[16:49] <cPF> secretdude: i feel the pain, dunno the answer
[16:50] <BluesKaj> !cups | secretdude
[16:52] <arand> secretdude: apt-cache show cupsddk might give some info...
[16:52] <Oli``> Anybody else getting grinding when the Distribution Upgrade (for a Partial Update) dialogue initialises?
[16:52] <Oli``> I'm getting about 10seconds of *serious* HD activity while it prepares
[16:53] <secretdude> Oli``, dont think so
[16:57] <Finnish> How do I install Google Earth?
[16:59] <Exilant> Finnish: add medibuntu repos, apt-get install googleearth
[16:59] <Oli``> Is readahead being removed? Or should I keep it until it can upgrade?
[17:00] <Finnish> Exilant, how do I add medibuntu? There is no how to in medibuntu page, at least not for karmic koala
[17:01] <Oli``> Finnish: they don't release for development releases. Use the instructions for Jaunty
[17:02] <mphill> Finnish: I think the repos are their, just not explicitly listed
[17:03] <Oli``> my bad, they're there
[17:04] <Oli``> Finnish: Just follow the first set of instructions on the wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#Adding%20the%20Repositories
[17:04] <Oli``> That will work for Karmic
[17:05] <Finnish> Thank!
[17:05] <Finnish> You
[17:13] <arand> Is pidgin coming back or where did that discussion end up?
[17:14] <karl1> hey i have a question for you..i used xrandr to get my resolution and refresh rate correct using this command (xrandr --output VGA! --mode 1024x768 --rate 60) how can i make this perminent?
[17:14] <BluesKaj> interesting, I have an icon stuck behind the panel (semi-transparent). Does anyone have a suggestion how to get rid of it?
[17:15] <Oli``> move the panel?
[17:15] <Oli``> (hold alt and drag it)
[17:17] <BluesKaj> Oli``, afraid not , doesn't move
[17:17] <Oli``> the icon or the panel?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> panel
[17:18] <Oli``> You should be able to if you're dragging from somewhere where there isn't anything already
[17:18] <Oli``> (and you're holding alt)
[17:20] <BluesKaj> no luck
[17:21] <arand> BluesKaj: is you don't mind it you could just do an arrange-by-name of Dtop icons...
[17:23] <BluesKaj> arand,  it's not worth screwing up my panel due to a minor annoyance , thx anyway
[17:24] <arand> BluesKaj: Oh, though it was an icon on the desktop you were having probs. with
[17:27] <Refried_> i can't figure out where i should send bug reports for karmic ppc+ps3.  is there a different tracker for ports?
[17:30] <johnmn3> hello
[17:31] <johnmn3> my koala is dumping me into the console on boot.  when checking disks, my home partition, /dev/sda2, it's UUID is not being recognized or something.  Anyone know how to repair the fstab with the correct UUID?
[17:32] <johnmn3> I can mount it manually just fine.  mount /dev/sda2 /home
[17:32] <johnmn3> and all my files are still there, thankfully
[17:33] <johnmn3> so I'm currently in irssi
[17:35] <johnmn3> also, anyone know the command to execute shell commands in irssi, so that I can do a cat on the error file, so that I can post it in here?
[17:40] <BluesKaj> johnmn3, what error from the prompt for startkdm ?
[17:53] <dupondje> ellow :D
[17:57] <dupondje> Shutdown broken ?
[18:07] <johnmn3> BlueKaj: apologies for the delay... I'm using irssi and am not too proficient with it.  stroyan, johnm, and llutz over in #ubuntu are trying to help me at the moment though
[18:10] <DanaG> weird... udev seems to ignore some of my rules.
[18:16] <DanaG> grr, variables in udev rules seem to have broken.
[18:16] <DanaG> $TEMPNODE: No such file or directory'
[18:24] <alteregoa> i am gnomatic kdestrophic failures of xfce
[19:26] <DanaG> grr, how do I get firefox to stop asking me to roll over my settings?
[19:26] <DanaG> I need to keep a firefox-3.5 dir around for when I  boot Jaunty!
[19:29] <dotblank> wow
[19:29] <dotblank> 200 updates!
[19:42] <_UsUrPeR_> can somebody point me towards the karmic koala source code please?
[19:42] <giovani> _UsUrPeR_: check the mirrors
[19:42] <giovani> the source code is very clearly distributed
[20:12] <alteregoa> firefox 3.5 on wine runs faster as native
[20:14] <c_korn> hello
[20:14] <c_korn> does someone know how to disable this? http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22970/screenshot_001_4CTbEz.png
[20:15] <alteregoa> thats a virus
[20:17] <arand> c_korn: yea mean the countdown?
[20:17] <c_korn> arand: yes, I do not want the pc to shutdown immediately when I click on shutdown
[20:17] <c_korn> no stupid counter
[20:17] <alteregoa> type reboot
[20:18] <alteregoa> open a command window
[20:18] <alteregoa> or amde a corshut
[20:18] <giovani> c_korn: there's a gnome preference setting
[20:18] <giovani> to disable that
[20:18] <giovani> right click on the shutdown icon and hit preferences
[20:19] <alteregoa> yeah you just have to walk through 100 menus
[20:19] <arand> c_korn: so you _do_ want it to shutdown immediately (or do not?). Oh, and ignore alteregoa by the way.
[20:20] <c_korn> eh, sorry. typo. I _do_ want it to shutdown immendiately
[20:20] <giovani> c_korn: follow my instructions then
[20:20] <c_korn> what shutdown icon ?
[20:21] <giovani> the one on the gnome bar
[20:21] <giovani> by default
[20:21] <giovani> or go into the gnome preferences panel
[20:21] <c_korn> gconf-editor ?
[20:26] <c_korn> I do not find it
[20:47] <RagnarokAngel> I'm having some issues with my monitor...
[20:47] <RagnarokAngel> xrandr is crashing X for starters
[20:51] <RagnarokAngel> anyone here to help me troubleshoot?
[21:04] <billybigrigger> hey all
[21:04] <billybigrigger> anyone here having grub problems today?
[21:05] <genii> As opposed to yesterday? ;)
[21:06] <billybigrigger> dunno, did my first update in about a week today
[21:06] <billybigrigger> restarted, and now grub can't find my kernel?
[21:07] <billybigrigger> don't remember exact error
[21:07] <billybigrigger> but i don't recall any grub updates so...must have been my mucking about
[21:08] <arand> billybigrigger: new kernel? That'd invoke a grub-update I guess...
[21:08] <billybigrigger> don't think i updated kernel
[21:08] <billybigrigger> still on -5 here :P
[21:08] <billybigrigger> -6 and -7 were held back for me iirc
[21:08] <billybigrigger> will see, chrooting into it now
[21:09]  * billybigrigger loves live usb's :P
[21:09] <billybigrigger> bah
[21:09] <billybigrigger> bloody debian
[21:09] <DanaG> for me, -7 fails to start xorg.
[21:09] <billybigrigger> debian lenny live usb doesn't recognize ext4? :O
[21:10] <RagnarokAngel> -7 and -6 kill xorg when I try and mess with my monitor set up...
[21:10] <billybigrigger> anyone here familiar with irssi? how do i move between two channels?
[21:10] <RagnarokAngel> running xrandr crashes the system...
[21:10] <RagnarokAngel> which is excellent
[21:11] <Exilant> billybigrigger: alt/escape + number
[21:11] <billybigrigger> Exilant: roger, thanks
[21:11] <Exilant> or /window number
[21:12] <RagnarokAngel> so is there any reason my system would crash when I run xrandr?
[21:14] <billybigrigger> argh
[21:14] <billybigrigger> anyone aware of any live usb images for ubuntu?
[21:15] <arand> billybigrigger: use alt+number or alt+l/r-arrow
[21:15] <giovani> billybigrigger: that somehow differ from placing the livecd on a usb stick?
[21:15] <billybigrigger> giovani: well yeah sort of, dd if=debianlive.img of=/dev/sde
[21:16] <billybigrigger> that's how you install the debian liveusb's
[21:16] <giovani> right ... and?
[21:16] <billybigrigger> don't know if that would work for a regular ubuntu live .iso
[21:16] <arand> billybigrigger: And just using unetbootin is not option?
[21:16] <giovani> sudo apt-get install usb-creator
[21:16] <giovani> billybigrigger: it should
[21:16] <giovani> anyway
[21:16] <giovani> usb-creator does just what you need
[21:17] <billybigrigger> debian doesn't come with usb-creator :P that would be an ubuntu package iirc
[21:17] <billybigrigger> i'm not in an ubuntu environment
[21:17] <arand> billybigrigger: are unetbootin not available then?
[21:18] <arand> should've debs on their mainpage
[21:19] <billybigrigger> i've never heard of unetbootin
[21:20] <arand> Well, it's just like _the_ _most_ useful thing, _ever_
[21:21] <arand> ;)
[21:21] <DanaG> hmm, I wonder...what would it take to port a bare, minimal Ubuntu to a new platform (that is, new architecture)?
[21:26] <bucky> DanaG, which new arch?
[21:26] <DanaG> Xilinx's Microblaze architecture -- it's on an FPGA.
[21:27] <DanaG> it's too reconfigurable to possibly ever make prebuilt packages for it -- where all the devices are in memory -- including the DDR RAM itself -- can be changed.
[21:27] <bucky> DanaG, http://www.petalogix.com/news_events/Linux2.6.20
[21:27] <genii> I didn't know Xilinx was even still around
[21:28] <billybigrigger> arand: can't run unetbootin from console can you
[21:28] <DanaG> That's old news -- and petalogix has tons of build errors.
[21:28] <DanaG> After wrangling for quite a while with upstream kernel, I've finally gotten the thing to boot to where it wants 'init'.  I was just pondering:
[21:28] <DanaG> "Hmm, I wonder if I can put Ubuntu on it."
[21:28] <bucky> http://www.embeddedrelated.com/usenet/embedded/show/100735-1.php
[21:29] <bucky> sure
[21:29] <dupondje> rofl @ UbuntuOne
[21:29] <arand> billybigrigger: that might be try, which does decrease usability considerably :/
[21:29] <dupondje> started it, it made like 100 processes
[21:29] <dupondje> all generating a fatal error
[21:29] <arand> s/try/true/
[21:29] <dupondje> getting apport started
[21:29] <dupondje> eek :x
[21:30] <bucky> my ubuntuone works ok but it's a python memory hog
[21:31] <[Ramy]> did anyone try tomboy web service on u1 servers ?
[21:32] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/419475
[21:32] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/419475
[21:32] <dupondje> hmz
[21:32]  * genii kicks ubottu
[21:32] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/419475
[21:32] <dupondje> yea ;)
[21:33] <kaddi> lol
[21:33] <kaddi> kicking always works :p
[21:33] <genii> Heh!
[21:34] <dupondje> quite crap bug imo :)
[21:37] <bucky> Xorg uses 3.0% mem...  ubuntuone uses 1.5%
[21:40] <arand> ~36mb for ubuntuone here, and that's idle, doing squat. I don't really see why it needs it...
[21:41] <bucky> what does it do.. load up the contents of your files in Ubuntu\ One  into memory?
[21:41] <bucky> that's crazy
[21:42] <kaddi> does karmic not warn if the laptop battery is dying and go to standbye?
[21:46] <Q-FUNK> howdy!
[21:46] <Q-FUNK> one question about karmic:   was there any change in network modules or in ufw or iptables that could explain why an host with an IPv6 address could be pinged under jaunty but not karmic?
[21:52] <bucky> Q-FUNK, the answer might be in /etc/sysctl.conf
[21:56] <Q-FUNK> bucky: no difference between jaunty and karmic on that one.
[21:58] <bucky> hmm..
[21:58] <BUGabundo> ola
[21:58] <BUGabundo> sooo kernel 27 is not booting?
[21:58] <BUGabundo> and hggdh was saying it didn't shutdown pfff
[21:58] <BUGabundo> no idea how he get so far :)
[22:03] <arand> Hia BUGabundo
[22:04] <BUGabundo> hi arand
[22:05] <dupondje> somebody knows a tool to check quality of a flashdisk ?
[22:14] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, if it doesn't boot and doesn't shut down, it's not much good for anything.
[22:15] <BUGabundo> yah
[22:17] <DanaG> Yeah, -7 for me fails to start Xorg.
[22:18] <DanaG> Hard-locks, in fact, if I use fglrx.
[22:18] <BUGabundo> DanaG: I don't even get that far
[22:18] <DanaG> Slightly-less-hard-locks if I use radeon, or fbdev, or even vesa.
[22:20] <DanaG> !info cups-ppdc
[22:20] <DanaG> description says it's owned by www.easysw.com
[22:21] <kaddi> lol, I guess you need an intel graphics card to boot 7 successfully then. :p But shutdown is just as broken as for all of you
[22:22] <hggdh> BUGabundo, it does boot -- at least for me --. It just does not shutdown
[22:22] <BUGabundo> mine LOCKS (no kernel indication) just after boot
[22:23] <BUGabundo> err
[22:23] <BUGabundo> GRUB
[22:25] <Khronos> hi...
[22:26] <BUGabundo> hi Khronos
[22:26] <Khronos> I have no sound on karmic alpha 4... what was changed in audio since alpha 2/alpha3, maybe that can help me debug this
[22:26] <Khronos> because it worked in the earlier alphas
[22:26] <Khronos> maybe I should update and upgrade
[22:26] <BUGabundo> kernel did
[22:26] <bjsnider> new kernels, new alsas, new pulsaudios
[22:27] <BUGabundo> you should always keep system update
[22:27] <Khronos> ok
[22:32] <Q-FUNK> DanaG: this is the old cupsddk
[22:32] <DanaG> what about it?
[22:33] <Q-FUNK> DanaG: it's been merged by upstream cups
[22:33] <DanaG> I'm reading changelogs of today's updates.
[22:33] <Q-FUNK> ah
[22:34] <arand> Are shutdown et. al. supposed to be gone from fusa-applet?
[22:34] <Q-FUNK> arand: seems so
[22:37] <DanaG> oh yeah, I don't much like the new xsplash thingy with the jumping / wiggling line.
[22:40] <DanaG> http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx -- ooooh.
[22:41] <RagnarokAngel> DanaG: Oooooh, if I had 70 bucks to drop I probably would...
[22:44] <tux11> hi
[22:45] <BUGabundo> hi tux11
[22:45] <tux11> hi
[22:45] <tux11> any way to reformat a t5 iriver audio player?
[22:45] <BUGabundo> what can we help you with, tonight?
[22:50] <Khronos> that fixed it
[22:50] <Khronos> thnx
[22:51] <BUGabundo> tux11 fdisk? gparted?
[22:53] <bucky> tux11, how is it formated now?
[22:53] <tux11> fixed
[22:53] <tux11> and ty
[22:53] <bucky> tux11 don't brick it
[22:53] <tux11> it had an mp3 file system now works in gpodder perfectly ty
[22:54] <bucky> awesome
[22:54] <tux11> um i think u mean what exactly?
[22:54] <tux11> all set
[22:54] <tux11> brink my iriver t5?
[22:55] <tux11> i use dthe onboard stuff
[22:55] <tux11> ah brink like ibricks? lol if u fuck with shit on like an iphone byeond what apple ok's ya got a brick on ya hands ie "ibrick"
[22:57] <TylerRichard> does any one have skype working in 64bit
[22:57] <TylerRichard> ?
[22:57] <tux11> nope
[22:57] <tux11> not even in 32
[22:58] <Pici> tux11: Please mind your language here
[22:59] <tux11> opps
[22:59] <tux11> i do apologize
[23:00] <TylerRichard> tux11: thanks dude
[23:08] <DanaG> The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes
[23:08] <DanaG> bah.
[23:08] <gwhipple> is anybody having problems with karmic not restarting or shutting down i just get a blinking cursor
[23:08] <BUGabundo> yah gwhipple
[23:09] <BUGabundo> I would say *everyone* on -27
[23:09] <gwhipple> just wanted to make sure it wasn't my system
[23:09] <BUGabundo> its not
[23:10] <DanaG> er, -7.
[23:10] <BUGabundo> or that
[23:10] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:10] <DanaG> BWAH: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=409825
[23:11] <gwhipple> i still have the -6 installed so i'll try that kernel
[23:12] <gwhipple> at least my wireless ath5k is now working perfectly in the new kernel
[23:25] <tc_> BUGabundo: ola, long time no see :P
[23:25] <tc_> err
[23:25] <billybigrigger> haha
[23:26] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: I'm here every day
[23:26] <billybigrigger> not this cowboy though
[23:26] <billybigrigger> :P
[23:48] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, you ever created a liveusb of karmic?
[23:48] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:49] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, from a non-ubuntu environment?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> not sure
[23:50] <BUGabundo> prob not
[23:50] <BUGabundo> or maybe
[23:50] <BUGabundo> with unetbootin
[23:50] <BUGabundo> don't recall
[23:51] <billybigrigger> dammit
[23:52] <DanaG> When doing USB stuff, I prefer to just plain install to the USB stick.
[23:52] <billybigrigger> well my karmic system is fubar'd, and im in tinycorelinux right now...
[23:52] <billybigrigger> but i can't chroot into my ubuntu system since it's ext4
[23:53] <billybigrigger> so i'm trying to get a liveusb of karmic on my 16gb flash disk
[23:53] <billybigrigger> from a 60mb flash disk with tinycore :P
[23:53] <billybigrigger> so my options are limited
[23:54] <billybigrigger> i've tried to copy the files from the iso to the usb drive with some Fiesty liveusb instructions, but they don't really apply :P
[23:56] <BUGabundo> won't work
[23:56] <BUGabundo> try unetbootin
[23:56] <BUGabundo> should work
[23:59] <billybigrigger> tinycore doesn't come with unetbootin
[23:59] <billybigrigger> and i have it running, just without mtools
[23:59] <billybigrigger> does the flash disk i'm installing to need to be formatted or what?