[00:08] hy, i've started my ubuntu, and a have a small icon that says: One or more disks are failing...i already boot a live cd, and made some fsck tests, but i still have the problem...here the output of the fsck : http://pr0n.no-ip.org/disco.log [00:11] lol [00:11] its ok dude [00:11] fsck doesnt know about your disk [00:12] it doesnt heal your disk dude [00:12] its smart self monitoring analysis reporting tool SMART [00:12] your harddisk told the OS that she's gonna die [00:12] the thing is, on the Palimsest program, it says that a have damaged sectors [00:12] yeah [00:13] my disk is going to die? ;o [00:13] thats a message from your harddrive [00:13] not again ;< [00:13] yes she is dying [00:13] get a 24/7 harddisk, not those cheap crap shitachis or samsucks [00:13] is it normal, to last only one year? [00:13] yes [00:14] because some of them are real crap [00:14] btw, for a laptop, what do you think is a good one? [00:14] take a look to the prices, do you think a disk could be good for just 50 bucks? [00:15] this one cost me near 100 euros [00:15] get a seagate [00:15] 500gb seagate or something [00:15] momentus [00:15] 7200.4 [00:16] its the lowest power laptop hd with 7200rpm [00:16] and its capable of 24/7 [00:16] 119 bucks on newegg [00:17] aprox 75 euros plus vat tax [00:18] dumb question, for laptop is 2.5pol, or 3.5 ? [00:18] 2.5 [00:18] going to see the prices here, in my country [00:19] yeah your country adds 30 percent vat taxes [00:21] here, what i see more is, seagate, western digital and samsung [00:23] Disk Seagate 2,5" SATA 320Gb 7200rpm 16Mb - 67,90 € [00:30] hi all [00:37] buy the 7200.4 [00:37] those first 320gb series with perpendicular recording sucks [00:38] the 2nd series are reliable, they are used in blades [00:40] alright so I get quite the error w/ my dual screen setup on the -7 kernel that I don't get on the -6 [00:42] I think X crashes [00:42] though, I'm not spit back to a terminal [00:42] so [00:42] it might be more sinister... [00:47] Same here. [00:48] -7 kernel crashes on trying to start Xorg. [00:48] I've tried fglrx, radeon, fbdev, and vesa... all of them crash. [00:48] well, it starts just fine for my regular screen [00:48] but [00:48] oh yeah, newegg newsletter is way handy, speaking of hard drives. [00:48] trying to do both my laptop screen and the 1920x1080 external crashes it. [00:49] alteregoa, sorry to be such a pain in the butt, but you mean this one's right: http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/laptops/momentus/momentus_7200.4/ [00:49] at least when I'm trying to get them to do an unmirror display [00:49] Actually, I liked my old 200GB Hitachi 7K200 better than I like my newer Seagate ST9250421AS (250GB 7200RPM drive) -- the older drive was way faster at spinning up from a stopped state. [00:50] Old one took like a third to a half of a second; new one takes more like 3/4 of a second. [00:51] my issue is: im killing an HD in each year ;x [00:51] how d'you manage that? [00:51] iPoRn: if you've got lots of money to blow you could go w/ a SSD [00:52] Too bad they're currently horribly expensive. [00:52] i dont ;p [00:52] 200 gigs for 300 bucks... that's the price point I'm waiting for. [00:53] Or even 200 gigs for 350 bucks. [00:54] western digital, is any good? [00:54] beats me. check storagereview.com and silentpcreview.com. [00:55] DanaG: whoah. I paid 100 bucks for a TB from seagate.... [00:55] iPoRn: wd isn't horrible [00:55] DanaG: now, the enclosure failed on me... But hopefully the drive is still good [00:56] 200GB for $300? [00:56] on what planet? [00:56] or rather, in what year? [00:56] yeah, that's what I was thinking... [00:56] You can do better with SSD :-p [00:58] the current price point for standard HDs now is 6-8 cents/GB [00:58] That's what I meant... I want SSDs to reach that price point. =þ [00:59] why do you need/want a SSD that large? [00:59] Not necessarily the same as current hard drives... but not fiendishly expensive would be nice. [00:59] giovani: because you can. [01:00] that's a bad reason [01:00] Because I have lots of stuff to store. [01:00] place the right data on the right drive [01:00] giovani: because I want instant access to all of my data. [01:00] DanaG: you should not being using a SSD for regular data storage [01:00] And I like to keep it allllll with me. [01:00] I recall paying $2400 for 3 SCSI-3 drives [01:00] it's a complete waste [01:00] DanaG: I have about 20TB of personal storage ... there's no reason for it to be SSD [01:00] giovani: I'm jealous. hXc. [01:00] I'd put an OS on a SSD [01:01] I like to carry my music and videos and such with me. [01:01] maybe some database storage [01:01] DanaG: you're a fool [01:01] Why? [01:01] you should not be using SSDs for that kind of data for a long time (until they become dirt cheap) [01:01] giovani: I have only 16Gb of storage [01:01] it's a complete waste [01:01] That's why I don't have an SSD. [01:01] =þ [01:01] he's just overpaying.... [01:01] 16Tb rather [01:01] BLAH. [01:02] I totally need more storage [01:02] * DanaG roams. [01:02] there's no reason to put that data on a SSD until they're the same price as HDs [01:02] and am a poor college student who is living off the cloud. [01:02] which won't be for many years [01:02] I just need HP to let us buy the danged secondary drive bay WITHOUT a drive already included. [01:02] Right now they charge 160 bucks for drive + bay. [01:02] giovani: I dunno, if they continue the glut we may see it drop sooner than you think.... [01:02] ebay? [01:02] And the drive it comes with is a 250GB 5400RPM. [01:02] RagnarokAngel: nah, the manufacturing is just much more expensive [01:02] http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06c/A10-51210-329233-1834651-329233-3762517-3762825-3762827.html [01:03] Correction: they themselves charge 200. [01:03] Third-party vendors charge more like 160. [01:03] giovani: at the rate manufacturing is changing though, I'd wager 10 MAX before SSD becomes pretty standard in laptops. [01:03] 10 max? [01:03] DanaG: why not hit ebay for a used/broken one, and swap out the drive? [01:04] 200 gigs for 350 bucks... that's about where I'll join in. [01:04] giovani: 10 years max [01:04] you're foolish [01:04] RagnarokAngel: oh, nowhere near that long -- definitely in the next few years [01:04] but they won't be the same size as normal HDs obviously [01:04] giovani: you made it sound like you were banking on a lot more! [01:04] even cheap, low-end netbooks have 16GB SSDs in them [01:05] DanaG: I don't understand why you're paying so much for your HDD [01:05] RagnarokAngel: uh ... not at all -- maybe you misunderstood what I was talking about [01:05] .... [01:05] giovani: yep, I'm thinking the same thing [01:05] I was talking about when it would be appropriate for standard data to sit on SSDs [01:05] and that won't be for a long time [01:05] i.e. media storage for all of your media [01:05] why's that [01:05] because of price point [01:06] putting a 32GB SSD in a laptop isn't at all the same concept [01:06] that's small, and not for storing all of your media [01:06] just enough to get through a day/week/whatever [01:06] Asus Eees have it right -- 16GB SSD for the OS [01:06] and a HD for the data [01:06] and they do that for $300 now [01:06] well, $330 [01:07] I'm thinking of upgrading my 900A to a bigger drive... [01:07] but [01:07] I guess I don't *really* need it [01:07] the point being ... [01:07] between the 4gig and a 16 gig usb flash drive I got for free [01:07] well [01:07] I have 4 gigs of space on it [01:07] it's not really enough for *all* the programs I use... [01:07] there's NO reason to pay twice as much (or even 1.3 as much) for a SSD to store your static media files [01:08] ... [01:08] so I should just move my /home directory to a flash card? [01:08] what? [01:08] my eee [01:08] has a 4 gig SSD in it [01:09] which, if I get all the programs that I'd like to run on there [01:09] is overcramped [01:09] replace it with either a bigger SSD, or a HD [01:09] if I just migrate my /home directory to a flash card that I leave sitting in there [01:09] the 900 isn't big enough for a HDD [01:09] by any means [01:09] it doesn't use a standard size? [01:10] it's a proprietary flash? [01:10] no, it's a standard interface [01:10] my UMPC is FAR smaller than an Asus Eee and it has a 1.8" drive in it [01:10] hmm [01:10] you're mistaken [01:10] I guess I might be able to cram a 1.8 in there.... [01:10] maybe.... [01:10] for gods sake ... the iPod had a real HD in it [01:10] I know that [01:10] hah [01:10] it's 1/5th the size of your Asus [01:10] yes, it is [01:11] where is a teardown... [01:11] so, unless they put a proprietary drive in there [01:11] it's replaceable [01:11] time for dinner [01:13] anyone have the link to the not able to play more than two sound sources at one time [01:13] "bug"? [01:13] kubuntu 9.10, can't play flash audio while any other type of audio plays [01:29] what isw the latest Karmic build Alpha4? [01:29] yes [01:29] the last alpha [01:29] alteregoa: thanks [01:32] are there any fixes for the -7 kernel and x? [01:34] does vmware workstation run well on karmic? [01:34] 6.5.2 [01:37] maybe [01:37] if you got enough memory [01:38] so. No X fixes for the -7 kernel? [01:39] urthmover [01:39] me [01:39] it can run if you use the kernel patch [01:39] but keyboard/mouse grabbing doesn't work properly [01:39] a huge problem [01:40] LLStarks: thats a bummer.....is there a fix on the horizon? [01:40] no clue [01:40] ok thanks for the scoop LLStarks [01:49] is dina washington any good? [02:03] It'weird that 2.6.31-7-generic won't start Xorg. [02:03] it's weird. [02:04] ugh, and alt-f2 doesn't work on my spare laptop. [02:05] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/398826 [02:05] Launchpad bug 398826 in gnome-panel "run application broken when setting background color set to "solid color"" [Low,Triaged] [02:05] DanaG, right click in the desktop , choose run command [02:06] There is no "run command". [02:06] At least, not on any of my computers. [02:06] ouch [02:06] I just had to turn off panel background. [02:06] Yeah, that makes no sense... but it fixes it. [02:12] heh, "package information was last updated 230 days ago." [02:12] ... on a system that I just updated last week. [02:16] hmm, I wonder when nouveau will be able to run compiz on nv17. [02:16] nvidia-glx-96 can't do anything but segfault the X server. [02:17] =þ [02:17] won't be updated for the new kernel until october [02:17] Heh, but it's been broken for like 6 months, for me. [02:17] nouveau is for newer hardware anyway [02:17] Even on Karmic. [02:17] nvidia binary, that is. [02:18] And it's been on 96.43.xx for like 2 years, hasn't it? [02:18] they don't have the programming resources on the unix team to turn that thing into a dynamo [02:18] replacify it [02:18] Yeah, but I at least expect it not to segfault the X server. =þ [02:19] It was even just as broken way back on Intrepid. [02:19] k, make sure there's no more x server or kernel development [02:19] That's not the point. [02:19] Even on ones it claims to support... it still segfaults! [02:19] They've released new versions for Intrepid and Jaunty... and they still segfault. [02:19] take up the nouveau code and write a good driver for the old hardware [02:20] Or mail the old laptop I have, that has such a card, to nvidia... with a note saying: "try using this thing... you'll see how much nvidia-legacy sucks." [02:20] And set it to auto-login with compiz enabled. [02:20] they'd say use the recommended operating system [02:21] boot. login. *segfault.* login. *segfault.* login. *segfault.* login. *segfault.* login. *segfault.* [02:21] what did it ship with? xp? [02:21] I think so. [02:21] it will work with nv won't it? [02:21] Oh yeah, and if you use nvidia's normal drivers in Windows, you get 966x768. [02:21] yeah, but no suspend or resume with nv or nouveau. [02:22] And until recently, nouveau devoured like 80% cpu just drawing the desktop. [02:22] annot find video encoder (module:ffmpeg fourcc:mp1v) [02:22] you laptop people with your suspend/resume [02:22] Glad that's only a spare laptop. [02:22] cvlc has errors i installed ffmpeg but it couldnt encode mp1v or mp2v [02:22] About all I use it for, is for grabbing serial-over-lan console logs from my main machine. [02:22] turn the frigging thing off, don't suspend it [02:22] this sucks, its the ffmpeg stuff on ubuntu that doest work [02:22] why suspend something that doesn't have ECC ram? === Cuddles is now known as Richie [02:23] My new laptop works well enough with suspend and resume, though fglrx takes a while to resume. [02:23] oh yeah, and that old laptop (toshiba 1415) has the worst possible CPU ever found in a laptop: [02:23] a P4-based Celeron. [02:23] Can you say... crap? squared? [02:24] imagine if your new laptop had an nvidia 9400 m chip on it [02:24] One of my friends has an XPS M1330 laptop that idles at like 60-70 C. [02:24] And the GPU has failed, oh, twice. [02:25] oh yeah, and Toshiba is stupid to have made an EDID that claims the LCD is 966x768. [02:25] i think a few packet maintainer didn't even try if those packets are compatible or workin [02:25] interesting article here http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=874&tag=nl.e011 [02:26] the last vlc version was working fine, now someone updated vlc and ffmpeg doesnt work anymore [02:30] "the operating system will become nothing more than an afterthought" -- linus couldn't have said it better [02:31] I dumped medibuntu today and built the svn ffmpeg version, since the unstripped libavs aren't available [02:33] google's OS will bump up against the same video/sound issues all other distros have [02:34] vlc from the karmic multiverse universe repos runs ok now ,but the ffmpeg executable has to be plaxed in /usr/local/bin/ instead of /usr/bin/ , so as to prevent foul ups with package managers [02:34] what? I've been having no problems at all using VLC... [02:36] bjsnider, if the chromium-browser is any indication ,i think google has the media issues well under control [02:37] google has nothing to say about it [02:37] been using chromium without any probs for 2 weeks [02:38] most of the chromium devs are also working on the chrome OS [02:39] and they work for google [02:41] they can't magically produce a composited desktop without the appropriate driver infrastructure, unless they apple-like maintain a stranglehold on the hardware used [02:41] i use cvlc [02:41] and vlc-nox [02:42] i need that stuff to transcode videos to mpeg2 for several apps [02:43] its the ffmpeg maintainer [02:43] not vlc [02:46] ffmpeg has been stripped in some updates , you need the unstripped libs to work with it like libavcodec-unstripped-52 [02:47] as an example [02:48] why unstripped? [02:49] And stripped of what? [02:49] stripped of patented codecs [02:49] and unstripped of them [02:50] how dreary and boring [02:50] ah, as opposed to stripped of debug symbols. [02:50] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/202855 [02:50] Launchpad bug 202855 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-96 "nvidia_drv.so crash during X restart by kdm" [Medium,Confirmed] [02:50] oh hell, it's even broken as far back as Hardy! [02:51] yay for nvidia failage. [02:51] I was using a python script in conjunction with pyTivo for transferring and on the fly encoding for video transfers to a TiVo on ournetwork and after an update this morning ffmpeg would longer encode to mpeg2. [02:51] use another driver [02:52] yeah, I use nouveau on the thing now. [02:52] Sucks that there's no compiz, though. [02:54] * BluesKaj checks compiz [02:54] On nouveau, I mean! [02:54] hopefully I don't have any issues with compiz [02:56] hmm, and there's some major fail on the part of Toshiba. [02:56] http://blog.freshnewpage.com/2008/04/26/nvidia-geforce4-420-go-on-ubuntu-804-hardy-heron/ [02:56] heh, like one is 1588x1200. [02:57] ... and another is 1372×1050. [02:58] 1024 - 966 = 58. 1400 - 1372 = 28. 1600 - 1588 = 12. [03:11] Is there anyway to fix the crackling with audio? [03:13] yes [03:14] damn crap Your FFMPEG installation is crippled. [03:18] alteregoa: So what do I have to do? [03:20] that's weird... there was a "keys" (as in the ones you use to open doors) icon in my notification area... and when I clicked on it, it disappeared. [03:25] what i have to re-install windows 7, because im mad of it [03:25] do they test the packages?! i think no, they just modify it with some spaghetti code and think its ok [03:27] its like a ham radio operator, if he gets a final product (vlc and ffmpeg) they try to modify it for no reason [03:27] alteregoa, if you think this sucks so much, why don't you try another distribution, instead of just ranting? [03:27] no, i think its better to keep the stuff how it is, and test it before release it [03:28] so why don't you do that -- testing --, and open bugs on the errors you find? You are not really helping right now [03:28] alteregoa: arent we testing? [03:29] yeah, but don't touch running stuff, thats weird [03:29] and there is no way to rollback a updates [03:29] alteregoa: it may have been running for you but there were a 1000 people it didnt run for [03:30] so report a bug and if you have the know how try to help fix it [03:30] whatever, i never had problems with cvlc and ffmpeg, the maintainer of ffmpeg should never touch it if he didn't know what he does [03:30] but crying in here like a little baby is not going to help [03:31] ok i fill a unecessary time wasting bug report, and i hope someone reads like the other 1000 reports i've filled [03:32] I see [03:32] the entire Ubuntu community and devs, hell even canonical hates you... [03:33] that must be it [03:33] [03:33] hate lol, thats kindergarten stuff [03:34] alteregoa, please, either *help*, or (1) build your own version of FFMPEG, or (2) stop complaining [03:34] no i put a debian repo of ffmpeg and it works [03:34] cause they know it better i think [03:35] good. go debian, then. Or -- what would be better -- HELP CORRECT IT. [03:35] audio in flash stops once an application starts audio... [03:37] hggdh, I don't think it's a bug ..i think the latest version of ffmpeg is a stripped "version" and even medibuntu doesn't carry the full version , www.ffmpeg.org the place to find the fully loaded one [03:38] BluesKaj, if this is correct (and I have no reason to question it), then it is either a bug, or we are missing other updates to come in [03:38] stripped, what a crap [03:39] it installs in usr/local/bin/ rather than the default /usr/bin to avoid beinf updated by the packafe managers and thereby being stripped agian [03:39] wow, hold on [03:40] are you stating an Ubuntu package is installing to /usr/local? [03:40] nope svn [03:41] ah, OK. Yes, if you ./configure without any other parameters (like --prefix=) the default install is always on /usr/local [03:41] which is known to sometimes create some problems [03:43] yeah, i tried to prefix /usr/local for the latest VLC build but it wouldn't , I got the old familiar targer error thing with the make cmnd , so installed the multi/universe repos versuion instead [03:44] target error [03:45] BluesKaj, a good option when building from trunk is to run ./configure --help, and look at all the parameters. Also, it is a good idea to put an equal sign [03:45] i followed the readme and the install instructions to the letter but I guess my setup wasn't right somehow [03:45] compiling.... [03:45] like --prefix=/usr/bin, instead of --prefix /usr/bin [03:49] well thx hggdh ' , I'll keep that in my liltextfile for cli cmnds :) [03:50] fortunately the multivers/universe repos version of VLC works fine right now [03:50] heh [03:51] I don't hav effmpeg in the usr/bin so none of the other media players can run video [03:51] not that i care , I prefer VLC anyway [03:51] Why do audio calls fail as soon as I accept them in empathy? [03:52] Submitted a bug [03:52] RagnarokAngel, I do not know. Are there errors reported? [03:52] lemme run it in the terminal.... [03:52] Tried the ffmpeg thing and it didn't work [03:53] alright [03:53] lemme do an audio call now [03:54] ok [03:54] I'm getting the error (empathy:13676): tp-fs-DEBUG: stream 1 0x98b2098 (audio) close: close requested by connection manager [03:54] when the call comes in [03:55] hggdh: I'll put up a pastebin [03:56] hggdh: http://pastebin.com/m414fc0ac [03:58] any ideas anyone? [03:58] RagnarokAngel, it seems good enough for a bug -- it may be related to the valve element not being created (whatever that is) [03:58] blast [03:58] that really isn't helpful for calls...but I'll submit the bug [03:59] yes, I understand it. Are you aware there is a daily trunk version of empathy & companions? [03:59] hggdh: ?? Like a PPA? [03:59] indeed [03:59] hggdh: got a place to point me? [03:59] hggdh: or should I just search launchpad? [04:00] getting it, RagnarokAngel [04:00] this ig? hggdh, https://launchpad.net/~telepathy/+archive/ppa [04:01] RagnarokAngel, http://pastebin.com/f30a624b4 [04:02] ...apt-key? [04:02] oh [04:02] a sec [04:02] ok [04:04] RagnarokAngel, 0x5AFE82CE [04:06] nite all, sacktime for old guys [04:06] BluesKaj, good idea. I off also. g'night all y'all [04:20] Hey, has anyone tried using their ipod with banshee in karmic? it seems like the move to devicekit-disks has broken detection [04:21] anyone else having crackling issues even with ffmeg enabled in the pulse configuration? [04:24] The music playing Fn keys on my thinkpad are not working, any idea how can I debug the problem ? [04:33] seems k9copy is completely broken? It can't read a DVD or ISO file. [04:35] it works with specifying a directory though. Can anyone confirm? [04:36] woof. [04:36] play on words. [04:53] hello everyone [05:39] Anything change with ldap authentication in karmic? [06:01] I am loving my karmic [06:02] the sound has never worked so good on my netbook [06:04] * Jeruvy pats HAB on the back [06:08] I just saved a notes gedit text file into my ubuntuone my files and now I have it on all my machines:) [06:36] There is a warning in /boot/grub/menu.lst not to edit it. I don't see that I have a choice, since every updates keep messing up the boot process. Is there something I should be worried about? [06:39] why does it mess up? [06:40] the update process uses some options from the boot file which you might want to edit so it'll be ok in the future [06:40] look in the "## ## Start Default Options ##" section [06:41] Updates take out the verbose option for the kernel and substitute quiet. Ihave been saved several times because I could see what happens during boot. [06:49] What do you mean by the boot file? I grepped for Default in every file in /boot/grub and found nothing. [07:00] Severian, it's in /etc/grub.cfg [07:00] err [07:00] no maybe in /etc/grub.d/ [07:00] i dont know [07:01] grub2 vs grub1 maybe [07:02] I see a /etc/default/grub. It has no default section, but maybe that is where I should add stuff. === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [07:46]