| rickspencer3 | hope you guys are having a nice let winter morning there | 00:00 |
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| rickspencer3 | here's the notes from the team meeting this morning: | 00:01 |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-08-25 | 00:01 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, there is no such thing as WInter in Sydney :) | 00:01 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 00:01 |
| rickspencer3 | the days aren't shorter? | 00:01 |
| TheMuso | Although there is such ting as a windy winter on the mountains at least. | 00:02 |
| TheMuso | Been blowing a gail since yesterday morning. | 00:02 |
| rickspencer3 | hiya TheMuso | 00:02 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, how long does it take to drive to Sydney from where you live? | 00:02 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: About an hour or so, thats to the inner west of Sydney. | 00:03 |
| rickspencer3 | ah | 00:04 |
| rickspencer3 | so, you guys wanna do a quick Team Meeting, Easter edition? | 00:04 |
| rickspencer3 | Eastern Edition, even? | 00:05 |
| TheMuso | Sure. | 00:05 |
| rickspencer3 | the heart of the meeting regard feature freeze | 00:05 |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-08-25 | 00:05 |
| TheMuso | Only thing I have to add re gnome-speech replacement is that the final MIR for that will be filed today, and once everything is main, I just have to switch a few things around in terms of package dependencies, to get orca using speech-dispatcher by default. | 00:05 |
| rickspencer3 | that's all I had to ask :) | 00:05 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, do you see any risk there? | 00:06 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: No. | 00:06 |
| rickspencer3 | like, any chance the MIR team won't get to it in time for Feature Freeze? | 00:06 |
| rickspencer3 | sweet | 00:06 |
| TheMuso | and afaik MIRs hav ebeen approved post feature freeze in the past, so I assumed that was the same thing here, but thing may have changed and I didn't know about it. | 00:06 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, you had gdm-config | 00:07 |
| TheMuso | gah typing | 00:07 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, no problems | 00:07 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm sure all if find | 00:07 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, is there some paperwork I need to do for that? | 00:07 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, nope | 00:07 |
| rickspencer3 | it's all done | 00:07 |
| rickspencer3 | I set the blueprint to "Implemented" for you | 00:08 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti looks across the blueprints, and checks on the status | 00:08 |
| robert_ancell | cool | 00:08 |
| jcastro | hggdh: pong | 00:08 |
| rickspencer3 | the other agenda item as the burndown chart | 00:08 |
| rickspencer3 | next week I will be working with each team member to savagely postpone work items to get us below the trend line | 00:09 |
| rickspencer3 | I think asac and kenvandine will be mostly impacted by this, though seb128 and robert_ancell as well | 00:09 |
| TheMuso | Right, I think I only ahve a couple left, one of which is post feature freeze safe. | 00:09 |
| TheMuso | the other will be done by feature freeze, as its to do with MIRs. | 00:09 |
| rickspencer3 | sweet | 00:09 |
| rickspencer3 | any other business? | 00:10 |
| robert_ancell | nope, just a stack of packages to work through :) | 00:10 |
| rickspencer3 | k ... I'll let you get to it | 00:10 |
| rickspencer3 | thank you gentlemen .. on to Feature Freeze! | 00:11 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 00:11 |
| TheMuso | Indeed. | 00:11 |
| hggdh | jcastro, sorry, already found the Way -- I am setting up a "Triaging Sound Bugs" class, and wanted to know do to get the -classroom for it | 00:15 |
| * jcastro nods | 00:16 | |
| * jcastro cheers! | 00:16 | |
| hggdh | jcastro, of course, I did the unthinkable: searched the wiki, and got the answer... thank you, anyway | 00:16 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, any idea debsign can't find my secret key, consider I *just* created one? | 00:23 |
| rickspencer3 | could it have a pointer to the one that I deleted cached somewhere? | 00:23 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, does the email on the key match DEBEMAIL? | 00:24 |
| rickspencer3 | it matches MAIL in any case | 00:24 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, not sure sorry | 00:24 |
| rickspencer3 | this worked before I deleted my old keys and created new ones | 00:24 |
| Laney | you should set DEBEMAIL and DEBSIGN_KEYID | 00:24 |
| james_w | cat ~/.devscripts | 00:25 |
| james_w | if that gives an id then you need to change it | 00:25 |
| rickspencer3 | james_w, I have no .devscripts file | 00:25 |
| james_w | otherwise see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperGuide/Uploading for how to work out how it is searching for the key based on the changelog | 00:25 |
| rickspencer3 | hmm | 00:27 |
| rickspencer3 | seems to be that I added a comment to the new key | 00:27 |
| james_w | it's always the comments :-) | 00:28 |
| rickspencer3 | ug | 00:28 |
| james_w | you can either add that comment to your changelog entries | 00:28 |
| rickspencer3 | well .. I want this to work with quickly ... | 00:28 |
| james_w | or one of the other steps there | 00:28 |
| rickspencer3 | so I'll create a new key without comments | 00:28 |
| james_w | add a uid to your existing key | 00:28 |
| huats | robert_ancell: hey | 00:35 |
| robert_ancell | huats, hey | 00:35 |
| huats | please do the gcalctool update :) | 00:35 |
| huats | I haven't found the time to do the 27.90 | 00:35 |
| huats | but go ahead for the .91 | 00:35 |
| huats | ) | 00:35 |
| robert_ancell | huats, Should be an easy one - it's just translations this time | 00:35 |
| robert_ancell | huats, ok, will do ti | 00:35 |
| robert_ancell | iot | 00:35 |
| robert_ancell | it | 00:35 |
| huats | and I hope you enjoyed your holidays | 00:35 |
| robert_ancell | i can spell good | 00:35 |
| huats | :) | 00:36 |
| robert_ancell | huats, yeah it was a lot of fun (spent two days in Disneyland being a big kid) | 00:36 |
| huats | hello rickspencer3 and james_w btw :) | 00:36 |
| huats | hehe looks nice | 00:36 |
| james_w | salut huats | 00:36 |
| huats | comment ça va james_w ? | 00:36 |
| huats | :) | 00:36 |
| rickspencer3 | hi hauts | 00:37 |
| james_w | tres bien merçi, et toi? | 00:37 |
| huats | tres bien aussi | 00:37 |
| huats | rickspencer3: you should learn to speak french | 00:37 |
| huats | soon this channel will be in that language :) | 00:38 |
| robert_ancell | we need a google translate bot | 00:38 |
| huats | :) | 00:38 |
| rickspencer3 | hauts: I start French 101 on September 14th | 00:40 |
| rickspencer3 | I joined alliance France Seattle | 00:40 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 00:40 |
| rickspencer3 | so soon | 00:41 |
| rickspencer3 | F* it | 00:41 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm just starting over with a new key and no comment | 00:41 |
| * rickspencer3 puts pulled hair in garbage can | 00:41 | |
| huats | great ! | 00:42 |
| fta | huats, got my account on ubuntufr, thanks! | 00:42 |
| huats | do not hesitate to talk to us (I mean the french collony) | 00:43 |
| huats | fta: good... | 00:43 |
| huats | ;) | 00:43 |
| huats | fta so now you can use it :) | 00:43 |
| fta | i did | 00:43 |
| huats | great ! | 00:44 |
| huats | so thanks to you fta ! | 00:44 |
| rickspencer3 | yeah! | 00:53 |
| rickspencer3 | my first ppa upload ... for the least essential application ever! | 00:53 |
| rickspencer3 | yes! | 00:57 |
| rickspencer3 | quickly works! | 00:58 |
| Amaranth | From now on when I hear about quickly I'm going to think "squick" :/ | 01:09 |
| ArneGoetje | rickspencer3: shall we have a call? | 01:13 |
| rickspencer3 | ArneGoetje, hmmm | 01:14 |
| === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk | ||
| === Cuddles is now known as Richie | ||
| pitti | Good morning | 06:22 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: for bug 412455, you mean that gnome-panel and nautilus already send the d-bus signals? | 06:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 412455 in xsplash "shut down xsplash when session is ready" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412455 | 06:23 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, yes | 06:23 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: ah, ok; that was a misunderstanding then | 06:23 |
| * pitti updates bug | 06:23 | |
| pitti | OMG gnomescan | 06:59 |
| * pitti posts feedback to blueprint whiteboard | 06:59 | |
| pitti | kenvandine: ^ this makes me weep :( how badly do you want this? | 07:03 |
| didrocks | morning o/ | 08:22 |
| pitti | hey didrocks | 08:25 |
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| === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter | ||
| fredp | didrocks: hey! in the rotate (left, bottom) (my favourites), what about decreasing tab opacity when flipping them, so it doesn't end up obscuring the widgets that would be around ? | 08:57 |
| didrocks | fredp: great idea, and easy to do as well, I like it :) I have also to figure out how to bind it more properly and try to link the upper tab to the animation as mpt_ suggested (not so easy without changing notebook gdk behavior) | 09:01 |
| fredp | anyway they are interesting experiments, I'll continue watching you :) | 09:03 |
| didrocks | fredp: thanks :) | 09:12 |
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| === mpt__ is now known as mpt | ||
| mpt | mvo, I just replied to your questions about the Software Store spec | 10:01 |
| huats | hello everyone | 10:16 |
| mvo | mpt: thanks | 10:22 |
| TheMuso | /c/c | 10:24 |
| mpt | hey glatzor | 10:35 |
| glatzor | hello mpt! | 10:41 |
| mpt | glatzor, have you been following the SoftwareStore spec at all? | 10:53 |
| glatzor | not closely. | 10:55 |
| glatzor | mpt, I installed it yesterday and had a short look at it | 10:55 |
| mpt | I was impressed at how smoothly it works already | 10:56 |
| mpt | but I did notice that the PolicyKit dialog appeared *behind* the Software Store window | 10:56 |
| mvo | that is most likely a bug of mine | 10:56 |
| mvo | but I need to double check, it might not pass the xid of the parent | 10:56 |
| mpt | mvo, ok. :-) I remember we had discussed that issue before | 10:56 |
| mvo | mpt: I just looked at it and it seems to be a problem with compiz for policykit1 in general. its showing corectly in metacity | 11:14 |
| mpt | mvo, ok, can you tell whoever is responsible for fixing it that sabdfl will be quite annoyed if it isn't? ;-) | 11:16 |
| mvo | mpt: either me or robert | 11:23 |
| mpt | mvo, Ancell? | 11:23 |
| mvo | yes | 11:23 |
| mpt | ok | 11:23 |
| Riddell | mvo: how do I work around bug 419152 ? | 11:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 419152 in software-store "application does not start "No section: 'Desktop Entry'"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419152 | 11:26 |
| mvo | Riddell: please try installing gnome-menus | 11:29 |
| gnomefreak | is the system beep controled by gnome? or kernel? | 11:32 |
| mvo | Riddell: I added the missing dependency now, thanks for the bug | 11:32 |
| Riddell | mvo: something else missing, bug 419154 | 11:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 419154 in software-store "can not install software, NotAuthorized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419154 | 11:33 |
| james_w | is that the lack of a polkit1 qt frontend? | 11:33 |
| Riddell | mm, could be | 11:33 |
| james_w | do you have policykit-1-gnome installed? | 11:34 |
| Riddell | yes | 11:34 |
| james_w | should work then | 11:34 |
| pitti | I'm not sure whether that's enough | 11:37 |
| james_w | pkaction --action-id org.debian.apt.install-packages --verbose | 11:37 |
| james_w | that might give a clue | 11:37 |
| pitti | is /etc/xdg/autostart/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop actually run under KDE? | 11:37 |
| * pitti doesn't know whether OnlyShowIn=GNOME; is considered for autostart | 11:38 | |
| pitti | check pidof polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 | 11:38 |
| james_w | it is I think | 11:38 |
| james_w | that would do it | 11:38 |
| james_w | I don't have that file, is it new? | 11:38 |
| pitti | james_w: not particularly; it's been shipped in policykit-1-gnome since day one | 11:39 |
| pitti | i. e. only as new as pk-1 itself (a month or two) | 11:39 |
| james_w | 0.92-0ubuntu1 and I don't have it | 11:40 |
| james_w | odd | 11:40 |
| Riddell | james_w: http://paste.ubuntu.com/259771/ | 11:40 |
| james_w | and update-manager isn't popping up to remind me to update | 11:40 |
| Riddell | /etc/xdg/autostart/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop doesn't exist | 11:40 |
| Riddell | hmm, policykit-1-gnome is out of date | 11:41 |
| pitti | james_w: hm, maybe it was in /usr/share/autostart/ before or so | 11:41 |
| james_w | that paste is ok, it should be prompting | 11:41 |
| pitti | dpkg -L policykit-1-gnome | grep desktop | 11:41 |
| james_w | so I suspect pitti is correct | 11:41 |
| james_w | /usr/share/gnome/autostart/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop | 11:41 |
| pitti | aah | 11:42 |
| pitti | so it just moved to /etc recently, apparently | 11:42 |
| james_w | but it's still gnome only | 11:42 |
| james_w | perhaps we should remove that restriction if there isn't going to be a qt frontend | 11:42 |
| Riddell | huh? http://paste.ubuntu.com/259772/ | 11:42 |
| james_w | (by release) | 11:43 |
| james_w | a GNOME dialog is better than no dialog? | 11:43 |
| pitti | it's from /usr/lib/libpolkit-gobject-1.so | 11:43 |
| james_w | I would suspect version skew | 11:43 |
| Riddell | we do hope to get polkit 1.0 for qt before release but would be sensible to remove that OnlyShowIn until that happens | 11:43 |
| pitti | well, without a real Qt implementation we should perhaps rather launch the frontend through kdesudo | 11:44 |
| pitti | that's what I did with jockey | 11:44 |
| Riddell | I have no /usr/lib/libpolkit-gobject-1.so | 11:44 |
| pitti | otherwise you'd pull gtk and friends into kubuntun | 11:44 |
| pitti | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.17.7), libpolkit-agent-1-0, libpolkit-gobject-1-0, policykit-1 | 11:44 |
| pitti | weird | 11:44 |
| pitti | it's shipped by libpolkit-gobject-1-0 | 11:45 |
| pitti | but it really ought to be a versioned dependency | 11:45 |
| pitti | bad shlibs for the win | 11:45 |
| Riddell | ok updated libpolkit-agent-1-0 policykit-1 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 and now polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 starts | 11:47 |
| Riddell | hmm, no it doesn't | 11:48 |
| pitti | Riddell: so if you actually prefer using the gnome PK frontend over running the app as root, should I change that in Jockey, too? | 11:49 |
| Riddell | pitti: well jockey has a kde frontend so it's nice to keep it all KDE. software-store doesn't so that's not an issue | 11:50 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 11:50 |
| Riddell | oh no polkitd has version issues now | 11:51 |
| Riddell | ok I install libpolkit-backend-1-0 and now it all works | 11:56 |
| Riddell | doesn't polkit to binary compatibility and versioned dependencies? should it really be in main? | 11:56 |
| Riddell | mvo: no feedback during the install except that after 30 seconds the install button changed to a "remove" button | 11:57 |
| pitti | seems there are some depedency bugs; what did you try to install originally? | 11:57 |
| Riddell | pitti: software-store | 11:57 |
| pitti | Riddell: policykit-1 depends on libpolkit-backend-1-0 | 11:57 |
| pitti | right, it misses shlibs or symbols files; I'll add some symbols | 11:58 |
| mvo | Riddell: no "pending " item on the left ? | 12:10 |
| Riddell | mvo: nope | 12:11 |
| Riddell | not that I noticed anyway | 12:12 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| kenvandine | pitti, i have very little invested in gnomescan... it wasn't really my idea | 13:11 |
| kenvandine | i just hate xsane | 13:11 |
| kenvandine | pitti, so i am fine keeping what we have :) | 13:12 |
| TheMuso | Does anybody know if UNR are doing anything in particular in relation to gdm theming? | 13:12 |
| kenvandine | TheMuso, i don't thinks so | 13:12 |
| kenvandine | TheMuso, actually pretty darn sure they aren't | 13:13 |
| pitti | kenvandine: ok | 13:13 |
| kenvandine | pitti, want to just kill it? | 13:13 |
| TheMuso | kenvandine: Right, so other than getting the default wallpaper that they use for the desktop, nothing else. | 13:13 |
| TheMuso | Hrm. We in Studio have the interesting problem where we want the wallpaper for gdm to be different to what is on our desktop. | 13:14 |
| * TheMuso will have to work something out... | 13:15 | |
| kenvandine | TheMuso, yeah, that won't be easy | 13:20 |
| kenvandine | you will need to set the default wallpaper for the gdm user in gconf | 13:20 |
| kenvandine | i think | 13:20 |
| kenvandine | pitti, can you sponsor xsplash 418974 ? | 13:20 |
| TheMuso | kenvandine: This is what I have so far. Gdm sets a wallpaper filename/path in gconf on package install for the gdm user. THis filename is then changable via the alternatives system depending on what wallpaper you want. | 13:21 |
| TheMuso | However, this doesn't solve the problem of changing the actual window theme. | 13:21 |
| TheMuso | not changable, but directable to the file you want. | 13:21 |
| TheMuso | Or, we have all theme packages for gdm change the gconf settings... hrm. | 13:22 |
| pitti | kenvandine: looking | 13:25 |
| kenvandine | pitti, thx | 13:26 |
| kenvandine | pitti, there is also one more FF related package needing sponsoring | 13:27 |
| kenvandine | couchdb-glib 419160 | 13:27 |
| kenvandine | and evolution-couchdb will be coming in a bit... then it will be ready to go on the CD | 13:27 |
| kenvandine | assuming we get an agreement on erlang | 13:28 |
| pitti | it's obviously something we have to swallow, but it's really ugly | 13:28 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 13:29 |
| pitti | kenvandine: fixing Vcs-* again | 13:32 |
| pitti | kenvandine: your postinst needs love | 13:34 |
| kenvandine | oh? | 13:34 |
| pitti | kenvandine: you can't rely on the gdm user being present, since you don't depend on gdm | 13:34 |
| kenvandine | what is wrong with Vcs? | 13:34 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| pitti | kenvandine: Vcs-Bzr: needs to be a proper URL (https://code...) | 13:34 |
| pitti | kenvandine: and there's no Vcs-*-Browser:, just Vcs-Browser: | 13:34 |
| kenvandine | sigh... asac insists it shouldn't be | 13:34 |
| pitti | since for web browsing you don't need to know which particular VCS you use | 13:35 |
| kenvandine | true | 13:35 |
| pitti | kenvandine: right, but then you need to create the gdm system user if it doesn't exist | 13:35 |
| kenvandine | i was just following his example | 13:35 |
| kenvandine | pitti, ok so for 0.6 i will add to postinst | 13:35 |
| kenvandine | to create the user if it doesn't exist | 13:35 |
| pitti | why does it need to be setuid gdm? | 13:35 |
| pitti | doesn't gdm start it in the first place? | 13:35 |
| pitti | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22368 2009-08-12 18:54 /usr/bin/xsplash | 13:36 |
| pitti | ^ currently | 13:36 |
| pitti | kenvandine: so with that, only root or gdm can run it, and it suids to gdm | 13:39 |
| pitti | that looks like a complicated no-op to me? | 13:39 |
| kenvandine | pitti, well gdm must start that stuff as root | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | or before switching to user gdm | 13:40 |
| pitti | xsplash? | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | yes | 13:40 |
| pitti | ugh, why does it need root privs? | 13:40 |
| pitti | kenvandine: so you mean root:gdm 4751 | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | it doesn't | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | we want it to not run as root | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | it is configurable.. originally it ran as root | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | but people complained :) | 13:41 |
| pitti | I thought the greeter would run as gdm | 13:42 |
| kenvandine | the greeter probably does | 13:42 |
| kenvandine | but i think the mechanism that fires the Init stuff and PreSession stuff is still root | 13:42 |
| pitti | kenvandine: ok, so you want to drop privileges | 13:42 |
| kenvandine | yes | 13:42 |
| pitti | kenvandine: then suid is not what you want | 13:42 |
| pitti | the first thing in your program should be | 13:43 |
| pitti | setuid(uid); | 13:43 |
| pitti | where uid is from getpwnam("gdm") | 13:43 |
| pitti | so if a normal user calls it, that will just fail | 13:43 |
| pitti | and if root calls it, you'll drop all your privileges | 13:43 |
| pitti | and avoid suid stuff and all the system user handling in postinst | 13:44 |
| kenvandine | bratsche, ^^ | 13:44 |
| pitti | or, rather, "gdm" -> the value from your configure option | 13:44 |
| pitti | it's a constant in config.h, I presume | 13:45 |
| pitti | Riddell: added shlibs to pk-1, thanks for spotting | 13:45 |
| kenvandine | morning tedg | 13:45 |
| pitti | kenvandine: summary posted to sponsoring bug | 13:47 |
| kenvandine | thx | 13:47 |
| pitti | kenvandine: couchdb-glib uploaded | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | pitti, thx | 13:52 |
| * kenvandine hopes evo couch comes soon | 13:52 | |
| tedg | kenvandine: Good morning! | 13:53 |
| bigon | he, has some decision been made about upnp support in libnice and farsight2? | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | pitti, what do you think about that? | 14:09 |
| bigon | libupnp-igd is needed for that | 14:10 |
| kenvandine | yeah... adding more stuff to the CD | 14:10 |
| kenvandine | :) | 14:10 |
| bigon | :p | 14:10 |
| kenvandine | which makes pitti's head hurt | 14:10 |
| Amaranth | CD is already -3MB or so :P | 14:11 |
| Amaranth | Time to drop evolution? | 14:11 |
| * Amaranth runs | 14:11 | |
| kenvandine | and we have more to go on it today :) | 14:11 |
| kenvandine | Amaranth, bah humbug :) | 14:11 |
| Laney | new f-spot will save some space | 14:12 |
| kenvandine | new f-spot is already on it | 14:12 |
| kenvandine | and we are over | 14:12 |
| Laney | (apparently) | 14:12 |
| Laney | never | 14:12 |
| Laney | newer* | 14:12 |
| Amaranth | yeah, f-spot saved 1MB or so | 14:12 |
| Amaranth | But the CD was -1MB yesterday when someone wanted to add 3MB to it so... | 14:13 |
| kenvandine | me :) | 14:13 |
| bigon | 13.9 KiB on i386 | 14:13 |
| kenvandine | we are +3M now on the amd64 | 14:13 |
| kenvandine | and we need to add like 4M | 14:13 |
| Laney | "# reduce the both the package size and installed size by a few Megs " | 14:13 |
| Laney | for 0.6.1.0 | 14:13 |
| kenvandine | is 0.6.1.0 out? | 14:14 |
| Laney | yes | 14:14 |
| * kenvandine will prepare that :) | 14:14 | |
| Laney | i already started | 14:14 |
| kenvandine | cool! | 14:14 |
| kenvandine | that will help! | 14:14 |
| kenvandine | thanks Laney | 14:14 |
| Amaranth | pitti will at least have a smaller heart attack | 14:14 |
| Laney | well it remains to be seen what the actual benefit is | 14:14 |
| Laney | probably have it tonight | 14:15 |
| pitti | kenvandine: what is upnp, anyway? | 14:15 |
| kenvandine | media stuff, universal plug-n-play i think | 14:16 |
| Amaranth | it's everything | 14:16 |
| pitti | I'm afraid I don't have an opinion on it, except if you tell me it'll need > 1 MB, then I do have an opinion :-P | 14:16 |
| * kenvandine isn't into upnp | 14:16 | |
| kenvandine | :) | 14:16 |
| Nafallo | pitti: Universal Plug'n'Pray :-) | 14:16 |
| Laney | punching holes in routers is all I know about it | 14:16 |
| pitti | I know the expansion of the acronym | 14:16 |
| bigon | pitti: standardized (aka MS) way for mapping ports (nat) on great public routers | 14:16 |
| Nafallo | pitti: it's like dynamic port forwarding AFAIK | 14:16 |
| Amaranth | UPnP is what a program can use to open a port in your router and what the xbox 360 and ps3 use to talk to PCs | 14:16 |
| Amaranth | so it's basically everything | 14:16 |
| pitti | but it doesn't tell me anything else than "quantum slip stream phase realignment" | 14:16 |
| pmatulis | why does 'apt-get purge' remove more packages than 'apt-get remove'? man page states the difference is that 'purge' also removes configuration files | 14:17 |
| Laney | it does file serving too somehow I think | 14:17 |
| Nafallo | pitti: no no. the quantum stuff have to do with beers I'm pretty sure. we're talking about software now :-) | 14:17 |
| bigon | with the telepathy stack it should permit the user to forget the nat config to make voip calls | 14:17 |
| alex-weej | pmatulis: because you "removed" stuff before that left configuration files. | 14:17 |
| pitti | IPv6!!! (*cough*) | 14:17 |
| kenvandine | bigon, that is interesting then | 14:17 |
| Nafallo | apt-get remove --purge actually :-) | 14:17 |
| Nafallo | pitti: *grin* nice troll! ;-) | 14:18 |
| * pitti just wishes people woudl stop inventing the 10.000st workaround of NAT | 14:18 | |
| Amaranth | pitti: and I want a pony :) | 14:18 |
| pitti | Nafallo: I'm actually pretty serious | 14:18 |
| Amaranth | UPnP is actually the standard way invented so everyone would stop using those other ways | 14:18 |
| Nafallo | pitti: yeah. my troll comment was pretty much a troll :-) | 14:18 |
| alex-weej | upnp isn't just about nat :P | 14:18 |
| pitti | kenvandine: so if you think it's sane, and it doesn't need much space, sure | 14:18 |
| Amaranth | But it kind of morphed into other things as well so UPnP is a lot of things | 14:18 |
| * pitti hugs Nafallo | 14:19 | |
| alex-weej | it's about controlling lights! | 14:19 |
| pmatulis | alex-weej: sorry but that doesn't make sense to me | 14:19 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: I have a pony. at some point I should add IPv6 to it ;-) | 14:19 |
| bigon | pitti: +1 for ipv6 (btw all the tp stack should be ipv6 aware) | 14:19 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: (pony.magicalforest.net fwiw) | 14:19 |
| alex-weej | pmatulis: look in synaptic at the "residual configuration" filter, and you will see a lot of packages that you thought you had removed | 14:20 |
| Nafallo | or even better... http://www.magicalforest.se/pony.xhtml | 14:20 |
| kenvandine | pitti, ok i will prepare an MIR | 14:20 |
| pmatulis | alex-weej: even if that's true (cannot yet find such a filter), why would removing one particular package remove these other packages? the purge should be applied to just that package | 14:24 |
| kenvandine | pitti, looks like it will add about 95k | 14:24 |
| alex-weej | pmatulis: that's just the logic of apt-get. try another package manager if you dislike that logic | 14:25 |
| alex-weej | pmatulis: aptitude may work differently | 14:25 |
| pitti | kenvandine: *phew* :) | 14:25 |
| kenvandine | looks like two MIRs though | 14:25 |
| pmatulis | alex-weej: apt-get and aptitude give same results | 14:25 |
| pmatulis | alex-weej: i'm just following the man pages | 14:25 |
| kenvandine | gssdp and gupnp | 14:26 |
| pitti | kenvandine: couchdb-glib FTBFSed; meh, I should have test-built it before.. | 14:26 |
| pmatulis | alex-weej: and what you're saying contradicts them. thanks anyways | 14:26 |
| kenvandine | pitti, what? | 14:26 |
| kenvandine | failed to build? | 14:27 |
| kenvandine | built for me last night | 14:27 |
| kenvandine | well not with his debdiff... | 14:27 |
| pitti | kenvandine: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30853330/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.couchdb-glib_0.4.5-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 14:28 |
| alex-weej | pmatulis: ? | 14:28 |
| pitti | kenvandine: the debdiff was just debian/changelog; some autotools goo | 14:28 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 14:28 |
| kenvandine | i know | 14:28 |
| kenvandine | it built in my ppa last night | 14:28 |
| pitti | it shouldn't regenerate the autotools files | 14:29 |
| pitti | probably fs specific timestamp issue again | 14:29 |
| pitti | kenvandine: I'll retry the build, let's see | 14:31 |
| kenvandine | yeah builds fine locally here | 14:32 |
| kenvandine | pitti, i have a bunch of daily builds setup in my daily ppa now | 14:32 |
| kenvandine | morning rickspencer3 | 14:32 |
| pitti | hey rickspencer3 | 14:33 |
| rickspencer3 | hi guys' | 14:34 |
| * rickspencer3 wipes sleep from eye | 14:34 | |
| kenvandine | :) | 14:34 |
| pitti | kenvandine: nope, failed again | 14:35 |
| kenvandine | humm | 14:35 |
| rickspencer31 | pitti: kenvandine: sorry, my computer froze twice this morning | 14:47 |
| kenvandine | np | 14:47 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - you figured out the couchdb-glib build failure yet? | 14:48 |
| rickspencer31 | I hope it doesn't get worse before it gets better ;) | 14:48 |
| kenvandine | pitti, couchdb-glib 0.4.5 just built in my ppa... and it builds locally | 14:49 |
| chrisccoulson | the issue is that the uploaded diff.gz reverts 0.4.5 back to 0.4.4, touching configure.ac, which triggers an aclocal update. I think that happened because the debdiff on the bug report is wrong (it is literally just the diff between the debian/ folders) | 14:52 |
| pitti | for me, too; maybe the official buildds use some file system which supports microsecond file timestamps or so | 14:52 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti ^^ | 14:52 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: oops | 14:53 |
| chrisccoulson | heh ;) | 14:53 |
| pitti | sorry *blush* | 14:53 |
| * pitti fixes | 14:53 | |
| kenvandine | :) | 14:53 |
| pitti | unf**ed | 14:58 |
| kenvandine | :) | 14:58 |
| kenvandine | pitti, can you also upload evolution-couchdb, bug 419183 ? | 15:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 419183 in evolution-couchdb "Upgrade to 0.2.1 upstream release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419183 | 15:01 |
| kenvandine | pitti, ok... xsplash 0.6 should be up in a couple hours :) | 15:05 |
| pitti | kenvandine: uploaded | 15:07 |
| kenvandine | pitti, awesome... thx | 15:07 |
| chrisccoulson | hey bryce - i'm still looking at thie gnome-settings-daemon crash being triggered by unhandled XError's, and I think I understand what is going on on the Xorg side now | 15:12 |
| mpt | james_w, do we need to make a special request somewhere to get a branch to appear at <https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-store>? | 15:12 |
| chrisccoulson | (and there's either a bug in Xorg, or a bug in the xlib documentation) | 15:12 |
| james_w | mpt: not a special request | 15:21 |
| james_w | it would have happened already, but the scripts fell over at the weekend and I haven't had time to kick them off again yet | 15:22 |
| james_w | it will be there tomorrow | 15:22 |
| james_w | oh, you probably want Michael's branch there | 15:23 |
| james_w | that's another case of "LP should handle a distribution being its own upstream for some packages" I'm afraid | 15:23 |
| mpt | james_w, I'm not fussed which one appears there, though mvo might have different ideas :-) | 15:24 |
| james_w | :-) | 15:25 |
| james_w | well, *a* branch will appear there tomorrow | 15:25 |
| mvo | glatzor: could you please review/merge lp:~mvo/aptdaemon/add-repo (if you like it :) ? | 15:36 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: are karmic langpacks created and uploaded by cron nowadays? | 15:38 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: (I soon need to extend langpack-o-matic to include gnome help translations) | 15:38 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: currently not, because today will be a new full export | 15:39 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: ah, but in general? | 15:39 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: in general yes | 15:39 |
| pitti | nice | 15:39 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: we normally push deltas, and you manually remove them and do full exports/uploads? | 15:40 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: today's full export should hopefully contain all the firefox-3.5 translations | 15:40 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: yep | 15:40 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: every couple of weeks that is. | 15:41 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: do you actually have the export, or is it running ATM? | 15:41 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: will start running at 22:00 UTC today | 15:41 |
| pitti | ah, then I might just make it | 15:41 |
| pitti | if I get the changes in in time, then the next full export could have the gnome help files | 15:41 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: cool | 15:42 |
| pitti | hm, except, arrgh | 15:42 |
| pitti | the packages would conflict on upgrade | 15:42 |
| pitti | I think I need to discuss that with Seb | 15:42 |
| pitti | we probably need an alternate /usr/share/gnome/help-langpacks/ | 15:43 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: ok, nevermind for now | 15:43 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: ok | 15:43 |
| glatzor | mvo, sure | 15:43 |
| mvo | glatzor: right now its pretty simple, do you think we should extend it to specify a "channelname" so that the stuff is added to sources.list.d ? | 15:47 |
| glatzor | mvo, I am not sure if we should allow to specify a whole line | 15:50 |
| mvo | glatzor: interessting, would you prefer something like (type, uri, dist, comps, comment, channelfile) instead ? | 15:51 |
| glatzor | right | 15:51 |
| mvo | glatzor: sure, if you prefer that, I'm fine adding it | 15:51 |
| glatzor | mvo, the policykit functions already return a deferred. you don't need to add a callback | 15:52 |
| glatzor | mvo, furthermore I would prefer to raise an exception instead of returning false/true | 15:53 |
| mvo | glatzor: thanks, fixing that now | 15:54 |
| glatzor | mvo, I am a tough maintainer :) | 15:55 |
| mvo | glatzor: righfully so! | 15:56 |
| mvo | glatzor: RepositoryDuplicatedError ? or RepositoryAlreadyExistsError? | 15:57 |
| mvo | and RepositoryInvalid | 15:57 |
| glatzor | mvo, ok. I would prefer already exists | 15:57 |
| mvo | glatzor: pushed, I do the (type, uri, dist, comps, comment, channelfile) next - are you fine with the arguments? | 16:02 |
| mvo | (the function signature I mean) | 16:02 |
| glatzor | mvo, the meaning of a channel has always been a mystery. So I would vote for sourcesfile | 16:04 |
| mvo | glatzor: great, thanks | 16:05 |
| mvo | glatzor: thats fine iwth me, channel was never a good name | 16:05 |
| mpt | rickspencer31, did you see <http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9dmpx/railslike_quickly_tools_brings_rapid_development/c0cd3jo>? | 16:14 |
| rickspencer31 | mpt: yes | 16:14 |
| rickspencer31 | you may notice I have commented on it | 16:14 |
| rickspencer31 | :) | 16:14 |
| rickspencer31 | pretty, neat | 16:14 |
| rickspencer31 | nice that someone is writing something accurate and nice about me for a change | 16:15 |
| mpt | ah, I see | 16:15 |
| bratsche | pitti: Do you have time to quickly review a branch? | 16:15 |
| bratsche | If you do, here it is: https://code.launchpad.net/~bratsche/xsplash/setuid/+merge/10748 | 16:16 |
| rickspencer31 | mpt: "quickly" is not too google friendly, to be sure | 16:21 |
| pitti | bratsche: (struct passwd*)0 -> NULL would have been enough :) | 16:23 |
| pitti | bratsche: but in general, looks good | 16:23 |
| pitti | bratsche: it's ok to not check for setuid() failure; if you run it as normal user, it should still work | 16:24 |
| pitti | kenvandine: can you please merge into the ubuntu branch, drop the postinst, etc.? | 16:24 |
| kenvandine | pitti, i can | 16:25 |
| * pitti goes back to MIRs then, thanks | 16:25 | |
| kenvandine | can you approve the merge request? | 16:25 |
| kenvandine | and i will merge it and roll a release? | 16:25 |
| pitti | kenvandine: just merge and push | 16:25 |
| pitti | kenvandine: merge requests get closed automatically | 16:26 |
| kenvandine | yeah... but we need an approval :) | 16:26 |
| pitti | oh? | 16:26 |
| kenvandine | for code review | 16:26 |
| kenvandine | dx team work flow :) | 16:26 |
| pitti | ah | 16:26 |
| * kenvandine looks forward to the day package sponsorship works the same way :) | 16:27 | |
| awe | kenvandine, got a sec for an ubuntuone question? | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | sure | 16:27 |
| pitti | done | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | pitti, thx | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | i will get it merged and released | 16:27 |
| awe | i have ubuntuone installed from the beta ppa, and with the recent applet changes, i'm not sure if it's running anymore. ;) | 16:28 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 16:29 |
| kenvandine | so is the applet not there? | 16:29 |
| awe | also, it appears the karmic PPA version of ubuntuone-client is newer than the version in karmic? | 16:29 |
| Riddell | pitti: that should be my last MIR filed before FF now :) | 16:29 |
| awe | kenvandine, no applet | 16:29 |
| kenvandine | awe, yeah... new version landing in karmic later today or in the morning | 16:29 |
| pitti | Riddell: okay :) will review the list of unassigned ones again | 16:29 |
| kenvandine | look at ~/.cache/ubuntuone/logs | 16:30 |
| awe | I just removed the PPA sources.list this morning, so I guess I should just wait for the update? | 16:30 |
| Riddell | pitti: is anything likely to happen with asac assigned MIRs before FF? e.g. bug 409796 | 16:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 409796 in gpsd "main inclusion report gpsd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409796 | 16:31 |
| dobey | awe: the PPA version will always be newer | 16:31 |
| bratsche | Thanks pitti! | 16:31 |
| awe | looks like none of the logs have been touched for awhile now... ( ie. since July. ). ;( | 16:31 |
| dobey | especially in the nightlies ppa | 16:31 |
| awe | dobey, ok, thanks. I removed the PPA because I want to be testing what's in karmic | 16:31 |
| pitti | Riddell: not from asac's side anyway | 16:33 |
| pitti | but we traditiionally promoted stuff after FF | 16:33 |
| pitti | universe packages are affected by FF as well, after all | 16:33 |
| dobey | awe: but yes, the applet is invisible when not busy by defualt now | 16:35 |
| dobey | awe: though in trunk the applet visibility is also configurable | 16:36 |
| awe | dobey, ok. since it's invisible, how do i know it's active at all? i copied a file yesterday to MyFiles, and it's not showing up via the web client | 16:40 |
| pitti | Riddell: FYI, uploading pk-1-gnome with symbols file now, and a rebuild against shlibs-ified pk; dependendies should be good now | 16:41 |
| dobey | awe: i don't know what version you're using or anything | 16:41 |
| awe | i'm running karmic, with the latest versions from the PPA. | 16:42 |
| dobey | awe: which PPA? we have beta and nightlies PPAs... | 16:42 |
| awe | beta | 16:42 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: do you happen to know whether some library abstracts the knowledge of the /usr/share/gnome/help path? | 16:43 |
| dobey | awe: there have been significant UI improvements in the last few days, which haven't made it to the beta PPA yet | 16:43 |
| dobey | and other bug fixes | 16:43 |
| dobey | as we had a sprint last week | 16:43 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: if we want to move gnome help translations to langpacks, they'd need to be in a different path, otherwise we'll get package conflicts | 16:43 |
| awe | OK, as I mentioned to kenvandine, I removed the PPA sources.list, and will wait for the new updates to land in Karmic | 16:44 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i'm not too sure about that | 16:44 |
| awe | I guess I'm ok for now | 16:44 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ok, thanks | 16:44 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - it must be abstracted somewhere, as you can pass ghelp: URI's around at the moment, and they magically find the correct documentation | 16:45 |
| debfx | is anyone interested in sponsoring pidgin 2.6.1? | 16:45 |
| chrisccoulson | eg "yelp ghelp:eog" will bring up the help for eog | 16:45 |
| kenvandine | pitti, packaging branch pushed for xsplash 0.6 | 16:49 |
| pitti | debfx: just subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors to the bug, please | 16:51 |
| pitti | kenvandine: please merge the changelogs, 0.5 was never uploaded | 16:52 |
| pitti | kenvandine: (I could do it myself, but I'd rather teach you to get your motu credentials sooner :) ) | 16:52 |
| kenvandine | oh... so skip 0.5 in the changelog? | 16:52 |
| pitti | kenvandine: keep the changelog entries, but merge them into the 0.6 block | 16:52 |
| pitti | kenvandine: debian/postinst can disappear from the changelog | 16:53 |
| kenvandine | done | 16:54 |
| pitti | bah, why can't I type xsplash? I keep typing xplash | 17:01 |
| pitti | lool: given your huge MIR backlog, I'll grab the new 5 MIRs | 17:03 |
| kenvandine | pitti, yeah... i keep tying xplash too | 17:05 |
| lool | pitti: Huge? you assigned 3 to me yesterday and 3 NM ones remain; am my forgetting any (not talking of euca obviously) | 17:05 |
| lool | Just making sure I dont forget about some MIRs | 17:06 |
| pitti | lool: well, I killed my queue yesterday; so perhaps s/huge/large/, in these FF times :) | 17:07 |
| pitti | bratsche, kenvandine: hm, how is the xsplash throbber supposed to look like? | 17:07 |
| pitti | I have a beam which jumps up and down and looks very weird | 17:07 |
| kenvandine | yeah... i don' t like it | 17:07 |
| lool | Ok, FYI modemmanager/obexd/gnome-bluetooth are already in main and are in the post FF list | 17:07 |
| pitti | and it still quits far too early, even with a hot cache | 17:07 |
| lool | pitti: Concerning xsplash, I'd rather not MIR it as I did the initial upload/review | 17:08 |
| kenvandine | pitti, bratsche said it is doing what mt requested... | 17:08 |
| lool | Based on seb128's work IIRC | 17:08 |
| pitti | kenvandine: right, but this looks more like a bug | 17:08 |
| pitti | lool: ok, please reassing to me then | 17:08 |
| kenvandine | pitti, yeah... but not a feature missing :) | 17:08 |
| pitti | lool: can I give you a plasmoid in return? | 17:08 |
| pitti | kenvandine: no :) | 17:08 |
| pitti | kenvandine: how does it look for you? | 17:08 |
| kenvandine | terrible :) | 17:09 |
| kenvandine | moves up and down | 17:09 |
| kenvandine | i think it should be horizontal | 17:09 |
| pitti | ok, so it's not just my hw | 17:09 |
| kenvandine | but it is using what mt sent | 17:09 |
| kenvandine | we need him to review it | 17:09 |
| * pitti uploads for now | 17:09 | |
| kenvandine | mat_t, have you looked at the throbber? | 17:09 |
| kenvandine | pitti, thx | 17:09 |
| lool | pitti: Ok please do | 17:10 |
| pitti | lool: I tossed a plasmoid to you, they should be easy to review | 17:10 |
| lool | k thanks | 17:10 |
| mvo | glatzor: new version with your requested changes pushed (sorry that it took a bit longer I was in a meeting) | 17:10 |
| mat_t | kenvandine: I can work on that tomorrow, been busy with other stuff | 17:11 |
| kenvandine | ok | 17:11 |
| kenvandine | just test it on karmic | 17:11 |
| kenvandine | it is being uploaded now | 17:11 |
| mat_t | cool | 17:11 |
| kenvandine | the throbber doesn't look right | 17:11 |
| kenvandine | but it is there :) | 17:11 |
| mat_t | :) | 17:11 |
| pitti | I'm pretty sure it's not intended to be like that :) | 17:11 |
| kenvandine | pitti, oh i hope so :) | 17:11 |
| pitti | dinner, bbl | 17:12 |
| kenvandine | mat_t, it jumps up and down instead of throbbing left to right | 17:12 |
| mat_t | heh | 17:12 |
| mat_t | then no, that's not what we intended ;) | 17:12 |
| kenvandine | bug... not a missing feature though :) | 17:12 |
| kenvandine | mat_t, i am sure | 17:12 |
| pitti | bratsche: Y is _vertical_ :) | 17:12 |
| * pitti hugs bratsche | 17:12 | |
| mat_t | pitti: hey | 17:13 |
| kenvandine | bratsche, rocks! | 17:13 |
| mat_t | pitti: good to have you back ;) | 17:13 |
| kenvandine | pitti, have a good dinner... | 17:13 |
| mat_t | pitti: we have to look at usplash, too, but now just enjoy your dinner :) | 17:13 |
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| chrisccoulson | pitti - about your question earlier - rarian has something to do with this abstraction | 17:23 |
| chrisccoulson | it seems to provide a mechanism for discovering file:/// URI's from ghelp: | 17:24 |
| mvo | mpt: one more question about the searching - now that we do partial matching it seems like its not a good idea to start searching on the first char that is entered. should we have a minimal word length of ~3 chars? | 17:41 |
| mpt | mvo, I think it would feel weird if the search was mostly-but-not-quite-completely live | 17:42 |
| mpt | mvo, as long as doing the search doesn't slow down your typing, searching from the first character is fine I think | 17:42 |
| mpt | Google shows results starting from the first character :-) | 17:44 |
| mvo | ok | 17:44 |
| mpt | mvo, I've scanned mockups of the Installed Software section, I'll upload them shortly | 17:45 |
| mvo | ok | 17:45 |
| tgpraveen1 | Ampelbein: ping | 17:49 |
| tgpraveen1 | could you tell me the reaason why the daily ppa for empathy is updated for the last 2 days? | 17:50 |
| pitti | mat_t: hey, too! :-) | 18:03 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: oh, thanks! didn't want to steal your time, though, just wondered whether you happened to know | 18:04 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: thanks for the investigations | 18:04 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - you're welcome :) | 18:16 |
| chrisccoulson | it's nice to take a break from gnome-settings-daemon for a change;) | 18:16 |
| mpt | mvo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore#%E2%80%9CInstalled%20Software%E2%80%9D%20section | 18:24 |
| kenvandine | pitti, when you are ready for more sponsoring... u1 client stuff is ready for upload | 18:25 |
| kenvandine | bug 419326 | 18:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 419326 in ubuntuone-client "Upgrade to 0.93.0" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419326 | 18:25 |
| kenvandine | and | 18:25 |
| kenvandine | bug 419324 | 18:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 419324 in ubuntuone-storage-protocol "Update to 0.93.0" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419324 | 18:25 |
| pitti | kenvandine: btw, when will the panel icon be dropped? I thought it was destined to go away? | 18:32 |
| kenvandine | karmic +1 | 18:32 |
| pitti | oh | 18:32 |
| kenvandine | it is half way dropped now | 18:32 |
| pitti | ok | 18:32 |
| kenvandine | it only appears now when it is busy | 18:32 |
| pitti | speaking about that, it still spins all the time | 18:32 |
| kenvandine | i think :) | 18:32 |
| pitti | never stops | 18:32 |
| * mpt wonders if the .deb format should have a Recommends-Replacing: field to complement its Replaces: field | 18:32 | |
| kenvandine | it shouldn't sping anymore | 18:32 |
| kenvandine | spin | 18:32 |
| kenvandine | pitti, spinning is gone in 0.93.0 | 18:33 |
| pitti | +N tests/* | 18:34 |
| pitti | mmmmm | 18:34 |
| bratsche | pitti, kenvandine: Hmm? Did I do something wrong? | 18:54 |
| kenvandine | bratsche, no... just complaining about the throbber | 18:55 |
| pitti | bratsche: I suppose the throbber is meant to throb horizontally | 18:56 |
| pitti | bratsche: so I was just joking that you swapped X and Y :) | 18:56 |
| kenvandine | bratsche, you know we love you man! | 18:56 |
| bratsche | No I didn't, I just pull the frames out of the file and display them! :) | 18:56 |
| === Richie is now known as YDdraigGoch | ||
| dobey | pitti: danke! | 19:22 |
| === MenZa_ is now known as MenZa | ||
| pitti | ArneGoetje: ok, all seed changes done | 19:25 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: let's see how tomorrow's CDs will look like | 19:25 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: great | 19:27 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: ibus-m17n is in the seeds now? | 19:27 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: yes | 19:28 |
| pitti | if the total size is about the same as the scim packages, we can fit it | 19:28 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: good... then I don't need to put it into the language-selector-input dependencies | 19:28 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: can you please have a quick look at all the language-* stuff on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt (in source/binary demotions) | 19:30 |
| * ArneGoetje is looking | 19:30 | |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: should they all be removed from teh archive? i. e. language-support-{input,translations} is truly obsolete now? | 19:30 |
| kenvandine | pitti, how long are you going to be around? | 19:31 |
| pitti | kenvandine: I skipped Taekwondo (ETOOMUCHTODO), so another two hours I think | 19:31 |
| kenvandine | ok | 19:32 |
| kenvandine | desktopcouch is coming... soon i hope | 19:32 |
| kenvandine | i would like to get that uploaded and evo-couch added to the seed so we can see how bad the CD is tomorrow :) | 19:32 |
| pitti | kenvandine, tedg: btw, shouldn't indicator-applet-session replaces/conflicts fast-user-switch-applet, to clean up on upgrades? | 19:32 |
| tedg | pitti: Uhm, yeah. I guess. gdm conflicts/replaces with it now. | 19:33 |
| james_w | kenvandine: what's the branch you feed the u1 packages from? | 19:33 |
| kenvandine | humm... yeah upgrades from jaunty i guess | 19:33 |
| pitti | tedg: ah, good enough | 19:33 |
| james_w | ~ubuntuone-control-center? | 19:33 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: language-support-translations will be obsolete with the upcoming language-selector upload. | 19:33 |
| kenvandine | james_w, ~ubuntuone-control-tower | 19:33 |
| kenvandine | i think | 19:33 |
| james_w | I have a change I would like to propose for your next upload | 19:33 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: ah, and -zh-hans/-zh-hant is the split? I wonder why it isn't seeded, I thought there was a glob for it | 19:34 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: the zh packages should net be demoted... need to upload the transition package again... it got overwritten with a newer version | 19:34 |
| pitti | but I suppose these should stay | 19:34 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: yes, zh-hans/hant is the split | 19:34 |
| james_w | kenvandine: lp:~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntu/karmic/ubuntuone-storage-protocol/karmic ? | 19:35 |
| kenvandine | james_w, yeah... i think so... i don't actually push there, i think pqm does | 19:35 |
| kenvandine | dobey is doing the packaging for that stuff | 19:35 |
| dobey | huh? | 19:37 |
| kenvandine | the packaging branch | 19:37 |
| kenvandine | you don't push right to ~ubuntuone-control-tower | 19:37 |
| dobey | yeah we have source package branches under ~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntu/karmic for ubuntuone-storage-protocol and ubuntuone-client | 19:37 |
| kenvandine | james_w, what's your request? | 19:37 |
| dobey | i do | 19:37 |
| kenvandine | dobey, oh, ok | 19:38 |
| james_w | I want to propose a change for the packaging to use python-oauth | 19:38 |
| kenvandine | oh | 19:38 |
| kenvandine | we need to get that MIR approved :) | 19:38 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: didn't find gnome/help in rarian, but in yelp (src/yelp-utils.c, resolve_process_ghelp(), FYI) | 19:43 |
| pitti | but it's still nasty, apparently there are hardcoded file URLs around | 19:44 |
| pitti | ./data/beanstalk.document:DocPath[de]=/usr/share/gnome/help/beanstalk/de/beanstalk.xml | 19:44 |
| dobey | james_w: it's not as simple as just making the change in the client, unfortunately | 19:44 |
| james_w | why's that? | 19:44 |
| dobey | james_w: because the server uses it also | 19:45 |
| dobey | so it has to be a somewhat coordinated effort | 19:46 |
| james_w | which is why I am proposing to change the packaging | 19:46 |
| james_w | you said you were working towards dropping it | 19:46 |
| dobey | yes, working towards. but not there yet | 19:46 |
| dobey | and at this point, i think forking python-oauth is the better option :-/ | 19:46 |
| dobey | what all do we need to get that done? | 19:47 |
| james_w | why do you need to fork it to use the system one? | 19:48 |
| james_w | you're using the exact same code, just from a different file aren't you? | 19:48 |
| dobey | don't /need/ to fork it to use the system one. but the system one is broken. upstream is really slow at replying to anything. etc... | 19:50 |
| james_w | I'm willing to help make it happen, I just don't know how you manage dependencies and things | 19:50 |
| james_w | but you are using the same code? | 19:50 |
| james_w | I know the code isn't brilliant, and changes are hard to make | 19:50 |
| kenvandine | there is a 2 line change | 19:51 |
| james_w | you are worried about using the system one and so having less opportunity to make changes? | 19:51 |
| dobey | we use the OAuthServer/OAuthDataStore API on the server, which is where the API really changed | 19:51 |
| dobey | kenvandine: you are confused :) | 19:51 |
| kenvandine | - if auth_header.index('OAuth') > -1: | 19:51 |
| kenvandine | - auth_header = auth_header.lstrip('OAuth ') | 19:51 |
| kenvandine | + if auth_header[:6] == 'OAuth ': | 19:51 |
| kenvandine | + auth_header = auth_header[6:] | 19:51 |
| dobey | kenvandine: the current system package doesn't have the 1.0a code | 19:52 |
| kenvandine | diff -Naur /usr/share/pyshared/oauth/oauth.py /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntuone/storageprotocol/oauth.py | 19:52 |
| dobey | kenvandine: yeah, the ubuntuone version is currently like 1 revision newer than what's in the system package. but that's irrelevant :) | 19:54 |
| james_w | kenvandine: good catch | 19:54 |
| james_w | dobey: not any longer | 19:54 |
| james_w | I just uploaded the latest code from SVN | 19:54 |
| dobey | ok | 19:54 |
| kenvandine | ok | 19:54 |
| kenvandine | good | 19:54 |
| james_w | so I would propose http://paste.ubuntu.com/259999/ for the packages | 19:55 |
| james_w | it just stops it from installing oauth.py and uses the system one | 19:56 |
| === rickspencer31 is now known as rickspencer31-af | ||
| dobey | if the problem were just that the code was ugly... i wouldn't be arguing about it :) | 19:56 |
| james_w | ok, and what other problems are there? | 19:56 |
| dobey | upstream is still broken and doesn't even correctly support 1.0a. removing it from ubuntuon-storage-protocol also requires updating the client and server code. and i need to look into the code a bit more, but i think i just found another nasty issue in it | 19:57 |
| james_w | have you asked for commit rights to the google code SVN? | 19:58 |
| dobey | no. and none of my code has actually been committed yet | 19:59 |
| james_w | I think you should | 19:59 |
| dobey | i can. and when she replies next month to tell me i don't have enough major contribution to warrant it... karmic will already be released | 20:00 |
| === rickspencer31-af is now known as rickspencer3-afk | ||
| james_w | I feel like we are going around in circles | 20:01 |
| dobey | that's where i've been going for the past 1.5 months trying to get 1.0a fixed properly in upstream | 20:01 |
| dobey | because i really didn't want to fork it | 20:02 |
| james_w | we are not going to release karmic with two identical copies of security sensitive, previously problematic, and apparently known broken code | 20:02 |
| james_w | I'll fix that in the packages if that looks like it will be the case at beta | 20:03 |
| james_w | I'd like to work with you to make it happen in the way that you would like | 20:03 |
| dobey | ok | 20:03 |
| kenvandine | dobey, what is the issue with using system oauth.py for the client? | 20:03 |
| james_w | would you start by sending me the patches you have sent upstream? | 20:04 |
| dobey | http://oauth.googlecode.com/issues/attachment?aid=1911769618243518330&name=python-oauth-1.0a.patch | 20:05 |
| dobey | which has conflicts with current trunk | 20:06 |
| rugby471 | guys, anyone I can talk to about f-spot | 20:06 |
| dobey | http://groups.google.com/group/oauth/attach/f104172f97de9a94/oauth-verifier-fix.patch?part=2 <- this i sent to make what was committed at least be less broken | 20:06 |
| rugby471 | current version in karmic is 0.6 | 20:06 |
| rugby471 | 0.6.1 comes with bug fixes and is being released in around 2 days | 20:06 |
| kenvandine | rugby471, yeah? Laney is working on that | 20:07 |
| kenvandine | 0.6.0.1 | 20:07 |
| Laney | 0.6.1.1 | 20:07 |
| rugby471 | kl | 20:07 |
| kenvandine | right | 20:07 |
| kenvandine | ah | 20:07 |
| Laney | rugby471: We usually keep watch for these things | 20:07 |
| rugby471 | kl | 20:07 |
| james_w | ok, that second one is clearly needed | 20:07 |
| rugby471 | did the guy upstream email you? | 20:08 |
| Laney | no | 20:08 |
| rugby471 | oh well I told him to :-) | 20:08 |
| rugby471 | anyway | 20:08 |
| Laney | why? | 20:08 |
| dobey | james_w: not according to leah, but she hasn't replied to my last mail... http://groups.google.com/group/oauth/browse_thread/thread/8f54d2779e71db13 | 20:08 |
| rugby471 | will f-spot 0.6.1.1 be in karmic? | 20:08 |
| Laney | yes | 20:08 |
| rugby471 | kl | 20:08 |
| kklimonda | every f-spot release is mentioned on planets so often that it's hard to miss ;) | 20:08 |
| rugby471 | pheww | 20:08 |
| rugby471 | that is two bugs fixed then :-) | 20:09 |
| Laney | LP bugs? | 20:09 |
| Laney | let me know which... | 20:09 |
| rugby471 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/387656 | 20:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 387656 in hundredpapercuts "F-Spot screensaver too fast" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:09 |
| rugby471 | and | 20:09 |
| dobey | james_w: what will it take to get a new package in that's a fork/rewrite of oauth.py for karmic? | 20:09 |
| Laney | argh my degree certificate has slipped down | 20:09 |
| rugby471 | oops | 20:09 |
| rugby471 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/127315 | 20:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 127315 in hundredpapercuts "F-Spot puts photos in Photos folder not Pictures folder" [High,In progress] | 20:10 |
| rugby471 | Laney: with regards to the second one, will you be able to put in the debdiff if you are updating the package | 20:10 |
| rugby471 | ? | 20:10 |
| Laney | hmm? | 20:10 |
| rugby471 | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30497857/f-spot_0.6.0.0-1ubuntu1.debdiff | 20:10 |
| james_w | dobey: a freeze exception | 20:11 |
| rugby471 | it is a fix that set's f-spot's default directory to ~/Pictures/Photos | 20:11 |
| james_w | dobey: and such a package to put in :-) | 20:11 |
| rugby471 | (it all gets localized as well) | 20:11 |
| rugby471 | it has been sitting there a while | 20:11 |
| Laney | rugby471: Do we want to do this? | 20:11 |
| rugby471 | yes | 20:11 |
| dobey | james_w: then let's have this talk again this time tomorrow :) | 20:11 |
| Laney | or to put it another way, why do we want to deviate from upstream? | 20:11 |
| james_w | dobey: your other changes make sense to me | 20:11 |
| rugby471 | upstream definitely wants to put it there | 20:11 |
| james_w | dobey: please name the module something other than oauth.py | 20:12 |
| Laney | but they haven't done it | 20:12 |
| rugby471 | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=459338 | 20:12 |
| rugby471 | yes | 20:12 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 459338 in General "XDG Base Directory Specification and xdg-user-dirs support" [Enhancement,New] | 20:12 |
| dobey | james_w: oh. i am | 20:12 |
| rugby471 | they decided to wait until next release | 20:12 |
| Laney | so I'm inclined to say we should do the same | 20:12 |
| james_w | dobey: also, not gratuitously changing the API would be great, it would make it easier to consolidate later | 20:12 |
| james_w | dobey: plus, we need the launchpad people on board | 20:12 |
| rugby471 | however the current status in karmic is that becuase there is no Photos directory created, F-spot uses the home dorectory | 20:12 |
| rugby471 | and messes it all up | 20:12 |
| rugby471 | ie. loads of directories in home like | 20:13 |
| Laney | no | 20:13 |
| Laney | that is fixed | 20:13 |
| rugby471 | 2009, etc. | 20:13 |
| rugby471 | really? | 20:13 |
| Laney | yes | 20:13 |
| rugby471 | what does it do now? | 20:13 |
| Laney | i uploaded that patch some time ago | 20:13 |
| rugby471 | package version? | 20:13 |
| rugby471 | if you can remeber | 20:13 |
| Laney | ++ if (Directory.Exists(FSpot.Global.PhotoDirectory)) | 20:13 |
| Laney | + dest_dir_chooser.SetCurrentFolder(FSpot.Global.PhotoDirectory); | 20:13 |
| rugby471 | well current karmic doesn't behave like that | 20:14 |
| dobey | james_w: well, the current api is rather nasty, undocumented, and not well tested. so there will undoubtedly be changes :-/ | 20:14 |
| james_w | dobey: oh, I agree | 20:14 |
| dobey | james_w: but i'll poke #launchpad-dev about their thoughts | 20:14 |
| james_w | dobey: but avoiding gratuitous changes would be appreciated | 20:14 |
| dobey | define gratuitous in this case :) | 20:15 |
| rugby471 | Laney: just tested it now on karmic in Virtualbox | 20:18 |
| rugby471 | it litters the home directory with 2009...2008 etc. | 20:18 |
| === bryce_ is now known as bryce | ||
| rugby471 | this patch simply sets the default directory to Pictures/Photos | 20:19 |
| rugby471 | eliminating ~/Photos | 20:19 |
| rugby471 | as a redundant directory | 20:19 |
| djsiegel___ | rugby471: can you believe upstream's all-or-nothing approach to the XDG spec? | 20:19 |
| rugby471 | hehe | 20:19 |
| djsiegel___ | not wanting to rename the default folder until they support on-the-fly XDG folder renaming | 20:19 |
| rugby471 | not really but there we go :-) | 20:20 |
| djsiegel___ | geez | 20:20 |
| djsiegel___ | who even does that? | 20:20 |
| djsiegel___ | haha | 20:20 |
| rugby471 | that's why we patching systems :-) | 20:20 |
| rugby471 | anyway have you seen the conversation so far (between me and Laney) | 20:20 |
| rugby471 | basically f-spot 0.6.1 willl be in karmic | 20:20 |
| rugby471 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/387656 - check | 20:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 387656 in hundredpapercuts "F-Spot screensaver too fast" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:21 |
| rugby471 | but obviously Laney says (I agree) that we don't want to deviate from upstream to much | 20:21 |
| rugby471 | however i think that this patch is not too much as in f-spot 0.6+1 | 20:22 |
| Laney | I want to check why this patch doesn't work | 20:22 |
| rugby471 | they will have a similiar patch | 20:22 |
| rugby471 | ok | 20:22 |
| rugby471 | sorry | 20:22 |
| rugby471 | (BTW I checked the debdiff I made on a new karmic environment and it all worked) | 20:22 |
| Laney | I don't care for Pictures/Photo | 20:22 |
| Laney | s | 20:22 |
| Laney | but if it's still putting stuff in ~ then that's worrying | 20:23 |
| rugby471 | yeah | 20:23 |
| rugby471 | it looks really unprofessional to a new user | 20:23 |
| rugby471 | partly why I am following the bug | 20:24 |
| rugby471 | I think the problem is that there is no Photos directory and so it just goes aa directory up | 20:26 |
| rugby471 | not such a bad idea | 20:26 |
| rugby471 | however when the directory is only one level above the home... | 20:27 |
| rugby471 | it turns into an annoyance | 20:27 |
| Laney | no | 20:27 |
| Laney | there was just a bug in our targetdir-selector patch | 20:27 |
| rugby471 | oh? | 20:28 |
| rugby471 | what was it? | 20:28 |
| pitti | kenvandine: what are the top-level packages which we'd want to seed for all the couchdb stuff? (most of it will be pulled in as a dependency I guess, such as python-couchdb) | 20:29 |
| kenvandine | evolution-couchdb | 20:29 |
| dobey | james_w: i was planning on splitting the server/client pieces to separate modules, and having a compat module that includes both, and make some api changes | 20:29 |
| kenvandine | it will pull the rest in | 20:29 |
| james_w | dobey: that sounds sensible | 20:29 |
| james_w | dobey: I hope the first thing you kill is bare try/excepts :-) | 20:30 |
| pitti | kenvandine: ugh, 5.8 MB | 20:30 |
| dobey | james_w: well, the first thing i'll do is get the basic class structure set up, then i'll add unit tests, and then i'll add the functionality | 20:31 |
| kenvandine | pitti, yup... time to axe gimp :-p | 20:31 |
| rugby471 | Laney: any progress on the bug? [sorry if you are busy] | 20:34 |
| Laney | yeah I'm trying to cook | 20:41 |
| rugby471 | ah sorry | 20:41 |
| Laney | I am inclined to push a patch to use the XDG dir | 20:41 |
| rugby471 | just baked a cake myself... | 20:41 |
| rugby471 | k | 20:41 |
| Laney | but I don't like the subdir thing | 20:41 |
| Laney | sorry | 20:41 |
| rugby471 | why is that? | 20:41 |
| rugby471 | maybe I can help to sway you :-) | 20:42 |
| kklimonda | Laney, so now we have Pictures/2009, Pictures/2008? | 20:43 |
| rugby471 | that is the issue | 20:43 |
| rugby471 | if we just use the pictures directory then we have Pictures/2009 | 20:44 |
| rugby471 | etc. | 20:44 |
| rugby471 | this makes images that the user doesn't want to use f-spot | 20:44 |
| rugby471 | for exmaple desktop wallpaper | 20:44 |
| rugby471 | s | 20:44 |
| rugby471 | hard to look for | 20:44 |
| rugby471 | also upstream is going to move towards Pictures/Photos rather thanks Pictures | 20:45 |
| rugby471 | final reason | 20:45 |
| rugby471 | if user imports photos into f-spot | 20:45 |
| rugby471 | they are probably only going to use f-spot to view them | 20:46 |
| pitti | kenvandine: is bug 388896 still an issue? butterfly is in universe again | 20:46 |
| djsiegel___ | rickspencer3-afk: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/219385 I would like to escalate this with your team if possible. | 20:46 |
| rugby471 | (ie. they are not going to go browsing for them) | 20:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 388896 in telepathy-butterfly "[MIR] telepathy-butterfly" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388896 | 20:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 219385 in hundredpapercuts "File filters can make file selection dialog too wide for screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:46 |
| pitti | kenvandine: and it seems not to be required | 20:46 |
| rugby471 | therefore it is best if they are kept seperate in the Pictures folder | 20:46 |
| kenvandine | that was to switch to butterfly from haze | 20:46 |
| kenvandine | for msn | 20:46 |
| rugby471 | #219385 is a pain in the a*se | 20:47 |
| rugby471 | what is your concern Laney? | 20:47 |
| pitti | kenvandine: we keep libpurple for karmic? | 20:47 |
| kenvandine | at guadec we decided it would be better to switch to butterfly when papyon made it in | 20:48 |
| kenvandine | butterfly is where they are focusing developer effort | 20:48 |
| pitti | kenvandine: I unmarked it for karmic (release blocker), but the main task is still open | 20:48 |
| kenvandine | i am not sure how it rates bug wise still though | 20:48 |
| pitti | kenvandine: papyon was approved in bug 388898, btw | 20:49 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 20:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 388898 in papyon "Move Empathy Dependencies to Main and Update Desktop Seed" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388898 | 20:49 |
| kenvandine | papyon was needed for butterfly | 20:49 |
| pitti | oh, and that also has a butterfly task; let's keep it in one bug then | 20:49 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 20:50 |
| kenvandine | i don't really use msn... i tried it and it seemed to work for me :) | 20:50 |
| rugby471 | Laney: also upstream actually told us that they are fine with us using the patch: | 20:50 |
| rugby471 | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=459338#c26 | 20:50 |
| kenvandine | if we switch to butterfly, perhaps we can drop haze and libpurple from the CD? | 20:50 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 459338 in General "XDG Base Directory Specification and xdg-user-dirs support" [Enhancement,New] | 20:50 |
| rugby471 | "In the meantime, you are free to ship this patch" | 20:50 |
| kenvandine | pitti, and we need an MIR for gupnp-igd | 20:51 |
| kenvandine | i am just running out of time here.. | 20:51 |
| rugby471 | ahh! feature freeze! | 20:52 |
| kenvandine | anyone want to do an MIR for gupnp-igd? | 20:54 |
| kenvandine | pitti, actually you said MIRs after FF is ok? | 20:54 |
| pitti | kenvandine: not ideal, but it's okay | 20:54 |
| didrocks | pitti: I don't know if you had the time to follow the conversion in xdg mailing list about default association | 20:56 |
| pitti | didrocks: no, I'm not on the list | 20:56 |
| didrocks | pitti: when/if you have some time: | 20:56 |
| didrocks | pitti: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2009-August/010860.html | 20:58 |
| * pitti looks at his gtimelog -- MIR reviews 3 hours 48 min | 20:58 | |
| pitti | go FF | 20:59 |
| didrocks | pitti: good luck :) | 21:00 |
| Laney | rugby471: You strike a convincing argument (I didn't know upstream were going to do it). I'll take a closer look | 21:00 |
| pitti | didrocks: what's the 5-line executive summary? :-) | 21:00 |
| rugby471 | hehe thanks | 21:00 |
| Laney | my camera appears to have died | 21:00 |
| Laney | which is particularly annoying | 21:00 |
| rugby471 | Laney: btw don't know whether you are interested (but judging by your launchpad avatar) I released a new veriosn of memaker today | 21:01 |
| rugby471 | oh | 21:01 |
| rugby471 | that is annoying | 21:01 |
| james_w | didrocks: hey | 21:01 |
| Laney | fun | 21:01 |
| Laney | anything good in it? | 21:01 |
| rugby471 | if I do day so myself :-) | 21:02 |
| rugby471 | hehe | 21:02 |
| rugby471 | well full launchpad integration | 21:02 |
| rugby471 | loads of bug fixes | 21:02 |
| rugby471 | better ui | 21:02 |
| rugby471 | xdg dirs | 21:02 |
| rugby471 | kl stuff | 21:02 |
| rugby471 | hopefully will be in karmic | 21:02 |
| didrocks | hey james_w o/ | 21:04 |
| james_w | didrocks: did you upload cairo-dock-plug-ins | 21:04 |
| didrocks | james_w: exactly, why? | 21:04 |
| james_w | did you know gilir was working on apparently the same package? | 21:04 |
| james_w | did you just get any mails about the upload? | 21:04 |
| didrocks | james_w: yes, but he was on vacation and let upstream finish the job | 21:04 |
| didrocks | james_w: and upstream asked me to finish before FF | 21:05 |
| james_w | ok | 21:05 |
| didrocks | james_w: and I just get a rejection email :/ | 21:05 |
| james_w | was it a different source package name? | 21:05 |
| didrocks | james_w: no, source package name is the same… | 21:05 |
| james_w | ok, just a transcription error | 21:06 |
| james_w | please re-upload a -0ubuntu2 with -sa | 21:06 |
| james_w | or maybe without it I'm not sure | 21:06 |
| james_w | you got caught by some sloppy fingers I'm afraid | 21:06 |
| didrocks | james_w: ok, so -sa should do the trick, right? | 21:07 |
| james_w | hmm, start by uploading the same thing again if you have it | 21:07 |
| james_w | didrocks: actually, give me 10 minutes | 21:08 |
| james_w | I think you may not need to | 21:08 |
| didrocks | james_w: ok, I'm stopping dput :) | 21:08 |
| didrocks | pitti: you can take a look at http://www.didrocks.fr/temp/mime-actions-spec-0.1.html but last email on the list proposed a new stuff with defaults.list which I don't like too much :/ | 21:09 |
| james_w | did gilir not tell you about the reason for the previous rejection? | 21:09 |
| didrocks | james_w: he (and upstream) spoke me about bad licensing | 21:10 |
| didrocks | james_w: upstream told me it's fixed (with a script) | 21:10 |
| james_w | http://paste.ubuntu.com/260031/ | 21:10 |
| james_w | still doesn't seem to be fixed | 21:10 |
| didrocks | but as I didn't followed the whole discussion. They just call me to fix the stuff (a lot of things in both cairo-dock and -plugin fixes for lintians errors) | 21:11 |
| rugby471 | LAney:got to go now | 21:11 |
| rugby471 | Laney: could you email me the resolution? | 21:11 |
| Laney | ok | 21:11 |
| Laney | I might not do it today anyway | 21:11 |
| rugby471 | kl | 21:11 |
| didrocks | james_w: oh, seems that they didn't put the LGPL, right? | 21:12 |
| rugby471 | just before karmic releas :-) | 21:12 |
| james_w | "The debian/copyright file you've provided does not include a warranty | 21:12 |
| james_w | disclaimer, so binaries built from this package are not legal to distribute." | 21:12 |
| rugby471 | Laney:see ya | 21:12 |
| Laney | tara | 21:12 |
| Laney | if i don't email you | 21:12 |
| Laney | check the | 21:12 |
| Laney | haha | 21:12 |
| james_w | there are no warranty disclaimers in debian/copyright still | 21:12 |
| didrocks | james_w: oh right. I can fix this | 21:13 |
| didrocks | james_w: did I have to put that below every Licence group file? | 21:13 |
| didrocks | do* | 21:13 |
| didrocks | james_w: or just at the top? (is there a wiki page, never found one for proper copyright) | 21:14 |
| didrocks | james_w: bbl (in 30 minutes, have to have my dinner :)) | 21:15 |
| james_w | enjoy | 21:15 |
| didrocks | thx | 21:15 |
| james_w | didrocks: you should copy one of the license statements from the headers in to the debian/copyright file for each license | 21:16 |
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| didrocks | james_w: I think I will not upload a new version of the package tonight: upstream mixed GPL3 and LGPG licence in relicencing :/ | 21:48 |
| didrocks | LGPL* | 21:48 |
| james_w | ok | 21:48 |
| pitti | good night everyone | 21:48 |
| rickspencer3 | good night pitti | 21:48 |
| james_w | night pitti | 21:48 |
| didrocks | good night pitti | 21:49 |
| rickspencer3 | hope that it's nice and chilly when you wake up | 21:49 |
| james_w | I accepted by mistake, so I hope that you can get something acceptable uploaded soon | 21:49 |
| rickspencer3 | (b/c of feature freeze) ;) | 21:49 |
| james_w | didrocks: otherwise let me know and I will remove the package until we can | 21:49 |
| didrocks | james_w: I'm pinging them and they are reactive. I think it will be ok for tomorrow night. Does that seem reasonable? | 21:50 |
| james_w | yeah | 21:50 |
| james_w | apologies for my mistake | 21:50 |
| didrocks | ok, I'll let you know. Apology for trusting upstream when they said that they fixed the licence thing (I only fixed packaging mistakes) :) | 21:51 |
| didrocks | james_w: well. Upstream was reactive and a new version is ready. Do you want that I bump the version number or is it ok? | 22:13 |
| james_w | debian version, or upstream version? | 22:14 |
| didrocks | james_w: debian version | 22:14 |
| james_w | yeah | 22:14 |
| james_w | -0ubuntu2 please | 22:14 |
| james_w | care to debdiff me to review? | 22:14 |
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| didrocks | james_w: sorry, had to fix some stuff with upstream. Unfortunately, I didn't have the previous revision. So I can pastebin the copyright file (the only file which changed in debian/ directory: http://paste.ubuntu.com/260063/ | 22:30 |
| james_w | wfm | 22:34 |
| james_w | perfect | 22:35 |
| james_w | thanks didrocks | 22:35 |
| james_w | you saved me there | 22:35 |
| james_w | I owe you dinner :-) | 22:35 |
| didrocks | vegetarian, of course :p | 22:35 |
| james_w | heh | 22:37 |
| didrocks | james_w: 2.0.8.2-0ubuntu1 uploaded (finally, upstream bumped their revision to reflect last changes) | 22:39 |
| james_w | cool | 22:39 |
| didrocks | I was not aware about the obligation of writting in debian/copyright the "NO WARRANTY" stuff. licensing is so complicated :/ | 22:39 |
| didrocks | I'll have a look tomorrow at the cairo-core package, I think that debian/copyright might not be correct as well | 22:40 |
| james_w | thanks | 22:41 |
| didrocks | well, time to have some rest now. Have a good night! | 22:41 |
| awe | bryce: ping | 22:43 |
| bryce | awe, what's up? | 22:43 |
| bryce | awe, (btw pinging is inefficient... better to just ask away) | 22:43 |
| awe | I did an update this afternoon, and my macbook is *hosed* | 22:43 |
| awe | np | 22:43 |
| awe | I thinking it's nvidia or X related | 22:44 |
| bryce | define hosed? | 22:44 |
| awe | it boots, I see usplash, then I end up at a cmd-line login prompt | 22:44 |
| bryce | awe, only significant X update that's gone in lately is mesa 7.6+git | 22:44 |
| awe | I can login, and re-ran update manager to grab the latest bits, but I still run into the same problem... | 22:45 |
| bryce | awe, mm, can you file a bug with ubuntu-bug so I can get at the logs and such? | 22:45 |
| awe | sure, although will that work w/out X running? | 22:45 |
| awe | also what source package should I use? x? | 22:46 |
| bryce | yes it will. Some info can't be collected, but for our purposes we don't need that | 22:46 |
| bryce | also attach the log files from /var/log/gdm/ | 22:46 |
| bryce | file it against xorg | 22:46 |
| awe | ok, filing... | 22:48 |
| awe | bryce, I can't seem to get apport-cli to accept my input ( in order to login to LP ) | 22:52 |
| awe | is there some trick I'm missing? | 22:53 |
| bryce | hmm, not sure | 22:53 |
| bryce | awe, ok well what I'd like to see is your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/gdm/:0.log and output from dmesg | 22:54 |
| awe | Xorg.0.log: Failed to load module "nvidia" ( module does not exist ) | 22:56 |
| awe | if you want, I can grab the full contents of those files, and pastebin 'em | 22:57 |
| awe | it'll take me a few minutes... | 22:57 |
| awe | bryce: I guess I could try un-installing the latest ( 185 ) version of the nvidia driver and see if that resolves things? | 23:00 |
| TheMuso | awe: probably klernel related... | 23:00 |
| TheMuso | kernel | 23:00 |
| TheMuso | as we had another abi bump | 23:01 |
| TheMuso | and you may not have linux-headers-generic installed which pulls the latest headers for the latest kernel | 23:01 |
| awe | no, I do have linux-headers-generic installed | 23:01 |
| TheMuso | hrm ok | 23:02 |
| TheMuso | Is the nvidia module loaded? | 23:02 |
| awe | I saw the kernel abi bump install + the nvdia install | 23:02 |
| awe | yes, it's loaded | 23:02 |
| TheMuso | hrm ok no idea then. :) | 23:02 |
| superm1 | awe, check that nvidia-glx-185 is installed | 23:05 |
| superm1 | i think tseliot made a bit of a mistake in his packaging that doesn't transition it properly, but i've not verified this | 23:05 |
| awe | superm1, yea, i think that may be it... thanks | 23:06 |
| superm1 | awe, doh: Package: nvidia-glx-185 conflicts nvidia-glx-180. nvidia-glx-180 depends on nvidia-glx-185 | 23:07 |
| superm1 | i dont think that's gonna work :) | 23:07 |
| superm1 | there are so many conflicts/replaces in that debian/control file, it's no surprise to get confused though | 23:08 |
| awe | doh | 23:08 |
| superm1 | bryce, could you look at cleaning that stuff up among nvidia-* packages maybe? | 23:09 |
| bryce | superm1, hmm maybe although I'm not sure my brain is grokky enough with it | 23:10 |
| superm1 | bryce, yeah i'm scared to break it all too if i try | 23:10 |
| bryce | superm1, maybe we could just drop the Depends lines for nvidia-glx-180-*? | 23:12 |
| superm1 | bryce, the transition is still the broken point i think though | 23:13 |
| bryce | erf, this is why I hate all the nvidia-glx-NNN numbering as part of the package | 23:13 |
| superm1 | and this is gonna keep happening if all these replaces/conflicts/provides are confusing | 23:13 |
| bryce | alright, I'm pretty sure I'm not smart enough to fix this without breaking it worse ;-) | 23:13 |
| superm1 | how's this for a solution possibly: switch to a single monolithic source package that contains all the different nvidia drivers that are supported at any given time? you only have conflicts/replaces for each other so you can switch between the different binary packages | 23:15 |
| superm1 | it'd be an ugly upload everytime it was uploaded, but it would keep everything in one place and leave you one place to file bugs and stuff | 23:15 |
| bryce | hmm, is this the same as bug 418681 ? | 23:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 418681 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "nvidia-glx-185 conflicts nvidia-glx-180 (<< 185.18.37) version is too high, this means that dummy package nvidia-glx-180 can't upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418681 | 23:15 |
| superm1 | yes i think that's it | 23:16 |
| awe | bryce, superm1: I was able to manually install nvidia-glx-185, but it still doesn't resolve things... | 23:16 |
| superm1 | new error in the X log? | 23:17 |
| superm1 | it certainly shouldn't be the same as you now have the 'nvidia' glx module available | 23:17 |
| awe | bryce, superm1: now in my Xorg.0.log I see: | 23:17 |
| awe | /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so: invalid ELF header | 23:17 |
| awe | blech | 23:17 |
| superm1 | are you amd64? | 23:17 |
| awe | yes | 23:18 |
| awe | although whenever I get the downtime to fix, I'm going back to i386 | 23:18 |
| bryce | ouch, that sounds like a kernel version mismatch or something | 23:19 |
| superm1 | that could be a packaging problem | 23:19 |
| superm1 | check $file /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so | 23:19 |
| bryce | superm1, what tseliot and I discussed is to drop the -NNN stuff for the latest driver, and go with a more neutral naming convention. But he didn't feel comfortable making that change now, and wants to leave it to karmic+1 and just do -185 for now | 23:20 |
| superm1 | bryce, problem with a neutral naming convention is when they do have drivers of different series' that support different cards tho | 23:20 |
| bryce | I actually don't mind having the older driver versions bugs split out in separate sources | 23:21 |
| superm1 | granted that shouldn't happen all that often, it's happened in the past | 23:21 |
| superm1 | so then on a case by case basis upload new source packages for "old" versions as necessary? | 23:21 |
| bryce | superm1, right well we would still have -77 and so on for the old ones, those don't change so much | 23:21 |
| bryce | right | 23:21 |
| superm1 | but the 'current' one would always be a neutral name | 23:21 |
| superm1 | i'm not sure that's going to solve this still | 23:22 |
| awe | superm1, 'file' tells me it's a data file, and 'nm' can't read any symbols from it. looks like it's wrong to me... | 23:23 |
| awe | superm1, don't think we've ever chatted on IRC before. amusing nick! ;) | 23:24 |
| superm1 | awe, sounds like maybe a corrupted install then? I'd say try to reinstall that deb again. | 23:24 |
| superm1 | oh hi awe, i didn't even make the connection until /whois :) | 23:25 |
| awe | me neither! ;D | 23:25 |
| bryce | heh | 23:25 |
| bryce | ok, I've subbed tseliot to bug 418681, and awe too | 23:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 418681 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "nvidia-glx-185 conflicts nvidia-glx-180 (<< 185.18.37) version is too high, this means that dummy package nvidia-glx-180 can't upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418681 | 23:26 |
| awe | bryce, ok, thanks. it's weird, it looks like 185 installed according to dpkg, but the drv.so file is definitely hosed. | 23:28 |
| awe | I extracted the files from the .deb, and the drv.so is OK | 23:29 |
| bryce | huh, weird | 23:29 |
| awe | bryce, superm1, ok, i was able to purge nvidia-glx-180, and re-install -185. the drv.so file looks correct now. lemme see if I can bring up X now. | 23:32 |
| awe | if so, I'll add details to the bug | 23:33 |
| bryce | mario, hmm, it looks like you did a 185.18.36-0ubuntu1 update for nvidia-graphics-drivers-180, however nvidia-graphics-drivers-185 is at 185.18.31 still. Something seems out of sync | 23:33 |
| bryce | awe, thanks | 23:33 |
| awe | is there anyway we can get this pulled and/or blacklisted so that other folks don't get hosed? | 23:33 |
| bryce | awe, probably, it's just unclear how | 23:34 |
| awe | yea, that did the trick... | 23:34 |
| awe | thanks guys! | 23:35 |
| bryce | for now, guess just document on that bug the steps to manually un-hose things | 23:35 |
| awe | ok | 23:35 |
| bryce | weird, this doesn't even show the -185 package - http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nvidia&searchon=sourcenames&suite=karmic§ion=all | 23:38 |
| * TheMuso has found that in the past at least, p.u.c has lagged. | 23:39 | |
| awe | apt-cache policy shows it, so it's real. ;) | 23:41 |
| bryce | TheMuso, that must be it | 23:42 |
| chrisccoulson | hi pitti - sorry, i had to disappear for a bit | 23:57 |
| chrisccoulson | the rarian stuff gets the file URI's from the files in /usr/share/omf | 23:58 |
| chrisccoulson | rrn_find_entry_from_uri() in librarian/rarian-main.c | 23:58 |
| chrisccoulson | this is called from resolve_process_ghelp() | 23:59 |
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