[00:00] <alteregoa> yeah
[00:00] <billybigrigger> what do i need to make the partition as?
[00:00] <billybigrigger> ext{2,3,4}?
[00:00] <billybigrigger> bootable?
[00:00] <alteregoa> ext4
[00:02] <billybigrigger> odd
[00:02] <billybigrigger> those liveusb install instructions had me copy the contents of the .iso to a fat32 drive and install syslinux onto it
[00:05] <billybigrigger> let's try this out
[00:05] <billybigrigger> brb
[00:07] <dergringo> I'm looking for some kind of automount/autoumount for smb shares. Means I'd like to mount a smb share whenever it's available and umount it automatically when I disconnect the network. Any hint?
[00:10] <billybigrigger> unetbootin doesn't overwrite mbr on the flash disk eh?
[00:13] <BUGabundo> no idea
[00:13] <BUGabundo> you tell us
[00:14] <billybigrigger> no i don't think so
[00:14] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo: how do i totally zero a disk?
[00:14] <billybigrigger> clear mbr and everything on it?
[00:14] <BUGabundo> dd
[00:14] <billybigrigger> i can do that with dd i think but i don't know how
[00:14] <billybigrigger> ahh i was right :P
[00:15] <BUGabundo> man dd
[00:15] <arand> dd if=/dev/null of=/fried/chicken
[00:15] <billybigrigger> :-O tinycore doesn't come with dd
[00:15] <billybigrigger> ffs
[00:15] <arand> billybigrigger: Zomg!
[00:15] <billybigrigger> isn't that part of coretutils or something
[00:15] <BUGabundo> zero
[00:16] <BUGabundo> not null
[00:17] <green_bowl> Pulseaudio stopped working after a "partial upgrade"
[00:17] <green_bowl> And I am severely pissed off
[00:17] <arand> BUGabundo: Ah, true that.
[00:17] <green_bowl> >.<
[00:18] <green_bowl> Can anyone help?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> green_bowl: how told you do do Partial??
[00:18] <BUGabundo> darn it!!!
[00:18] <green_bowl> The Update Manager
[00:18] <BUGabundo> use aptitute safe-upgrade
[00:18]  * arand wonders if the given command dd if=/dev/null is the way to reclaim bits-in-the-bucket?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> it should help fix
[00:19] <billybigrigger> green_bowl: never do partial upgrades
[00:19] <BUGabundo> green_bowl: UM doesn't tell you too. it just offers an options
[00:19] <BUGabundo> well
[00:19] <green_bowl> billybigrigger: I won't from now on.
[00:19] <BUGabundo> some times you got tooo
[00:19] <billybigrigger> iirc there is a pretty hefty warning in UM for doing partial upgrades is there not?
[00:20] <BUGabundo> but today is a bad day
[00:20] <Hirato_> I probably should just stay quiet, but when did pulseaudio start working? :P
[00:20] <BUGabundo> it will remove lost of stuff
[00:20] <green_bowl> *stop?
[00:20] <green_bowl> Stopped working after I partially upgraded
[00:20] <BUGabundo> Hirato varies for ppl
[00:20] <green_bowl> I'm doing aptitude safe-upgrade right now, hopefully that will fix it
[00:20] <arand> BUGabundo: remember the bug you filed before, it *does* tell you to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/373006
[00:20] <green_bowl> If not, I will just resort back to esound
[00:20] <BUGabundo> arand: that's ONE YEAR old
[00:21] <green_bowl> Also what happened to 9.04's sound control with the different channels and so-forth?
[00:21] <Hirato_> it brings me back to a much earlier complaint, why is KDE dependant on libpulse0?
[00:21] <green_bowl> This sound controller just sucks.
[00:21] <BUGabundo> green_bowl: please don't
[00:21] <carl__> any tips for  wireless i keep    losing my connection  using wicd now
[00:21] <BUGabundo> green_bowl: use pavucontrol
[00:21] <green_bowl> I will if safe-upgrade doesn't work
[00:21] <Hirato_> the only application I've found that actually depends on any of the libpulse stuff was mplayer
[00:23] <green_bowl> Hurray!
[00:23] <green_bowl> safe-upgrade fixed it
[00:23] <carl__> hey green fix my wireless problem
[00:23] <BUGabundo> see?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> what do I always say?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> aptitude rulz
[00:23] <green_bowl> @carl__: What's wrong?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> carl__: what kernel?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> what card?
[00:23] <green_bowl> Actually... nvm
[00:24] <green_bowl> No way I can help anyone fix Ubuntu, I'm better left to helping Windows noobs
[00:24] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:24] <carl__> i did the kubuntu   but went   from kubuntu to svn plasma since i have a netbook
[00:25] <carl__> n  using wicd   now but i keep losing my wireless connection
[00:25] <bucky> carl__, what's your hardware?
[00:25] <BUGabundo> carl__: there's a kubuntu NR
[00:25] <carl__> msi u100  realtrek 187se
[00:26] <BUGabundo> have you looked in launchoad
[00:26] <carl__> no
[00:27] <carl__> liked kubuntu netbook  but  knetwork would not connect   saw in forums about  wicd  installed it
[00:27] <carl__> kopte would not connect with yahoo for me so went got pidgin
[00:28] <carl__> kopete
[00:30] <Hirato_> me next: KDE 4.3 renders borders and panels with corruption when compositing is off on my laptop (IBM thinkpad T42) http://i29.tinypic.com/2a5m3oo.png
[00:30] <bucky> carl__, you sure you have a Realtek RTL8187 and not a RT2860 ?
[00:30] <carl__> did   the upgrades now kpackagekit says   aptbackend.py closed
[00:31] <bucky> jaunty is supposed to support RTL8187
[00:32] <carl__> it shows my network just some reason i lose my connection all the time
[00:32] <carl__> yes  that is what it says on the back
[00:32] <carl__> 8187se
[00:32] <bucky> carl__,  you need to apt-get the linux-backports-modules for your kernel
[00:33] <bucky> apt-cache search linux-backports-modules
[00:34] <carl__> did that now what bucky
[00:35] <bucky> carl__, i don't have wireless but you need to load the right drivers and set it up prolly in the menus
[00:35] <carl__> k
[00:36] <billybigrigger> how do i get dd to print stats?
[00:37] <BUGabundo> send a sig kill
[00:37] <BUGabundo> RTFM
[00:37] <BUGabundo> manpages.ubuntu.com
[00:37] <billybigrigger> just saw that at the end thanks
[00:37] <billybigrigger> of man page
[00:54] <billybigrigger> ok i installed karmic daily live to a usb disk with unetbootin, and now extlinux can't find the linux image
[00:59] <burner> is skype crashing for anyone else?  I'm just curious if it's me or something to do with the pulse upgrade in karmic that broke it
[01:00] <RagnarokAngel> skype hasn't been crashing...
[01:00] <RagnarokAngel> but it's been getting weird ASLA errors for me
[01:00] <arand> billybigrigger: reformat and install again? I've bumped into similar I think...
[01:00] <billybigrigger> arand, well according to unetbootin's page, the partition has to be fat32
[01:01] <billybigrigger> someone in here told me ext4 :P
[01:01] <burner> RagnarokAngel: like this?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/260116/  mine opens, then crashes right away
[01:01] <RagnarokAngel> I get this error from skype: RtApiAlsa: underrun detected.
[01:01] <arand> billybigrigger: I think that if you just leave it unpartitioned it will make an appropriate partition..
[01:02] <billybigrigger> arand, it needs to be mounted before it will do anything to the disk
[01:02] <billybigrigger> need to have a created partition to mount it :P
[01:02] <RagnarokAngel> burner: whoah, no nothing that bad. I'm getting serious audio issues, but not a full crash. You should probably report that somewhere...
[01:03] <arand> billybigrigger: right... I blame half a year of not using unetbootin.
[01:03] <burner> hrm... tha'ts the question... i wonder where to report it being that skype is all closed source and not in launchpad
[01:03] <billybigrigger> arand, haha
[01:03] <RagnarokAngel> burner: report an ALSA and a GTK bug?
[01:04] <burner> RagnarokAngel: are you 32-bit?
[01:04] <RagnarokAngel> burner: yep, 32-bit
[01:04] <burner> i bet it's a 64-bit specific issue
[01:04] <RagnarokAngel> burner: oh, that's possible.
[01:05] <RagnarokAngel> burner: is there any dev at all going on for skype4linux?
[01:05] <burner> none that is out in the open
[01:06] <RagnarokAngel> burner: it's really pathetic on skype's side....
[01:06] <burner> thanks for the help RagnarokAngel... by figuring out the 64-bit thing... it led me to the forums and a possible workaround :)  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7829749
[01:07] <RagnarokAngel> I'm having issues with empathy and voice/webcam calls....
[01:07] <RagnarokAngel> burner: glad I could help, in any way at all
[01:08] <burner> i haven't tried empathy's voice/webcam stuff yet... or pidgin's
[01:08] <RagnarokAngel> I can't even find a version of pidgin that's been packaged correctly for voice/video
[01:09] <RagnarokAngel> burner: it detects that I have voice and video capabilities
[01:09] <RagnarokAngel> but whenever I try and connect to someone it auto-ends whenever I try to connect
[01:09] <RagnarokAngel> I haven't tried connecting to anyone who is running empathy though...
[01:10] <burner> aww... i was going to help test
[01:11] <RagnarokAngel> hmmmm
[01:11] <burner> hi
[01:11] <RagnarokAngel> I'm getting something about mission control not running?
[01:11] <burner> wanna test empathy?  i have it
[01:11] <RagnarokAngel> burner: yeah. what's your handle?
[01:12] <burner> xburnerx@gmail.com
[01:12] <burner> grr.. my alt+f2 doesn't work... oh well, i'm on empathy
[01:12] <burner> jabber is supposed to do the voice/video too right?  i have a jabber acccount as well
[01:13] <RagnarokAngel> anything xmpp should work
[01:13] <RagnarokAngel> getting a call?
[01:13] <burner> nope
[01:13] <RagnarokAngel> well
[01:13] <RagnarokAngel> lol
[01:13] <RagnarokAngel> that's actually better than everything I've tried so far XD
[01:14] <burner> cause it didn't crash? :)
[01:14] <RagnarokAngel> no because it didn't automatically close the call as soon as I tried....
[01:14] <RagnarokAngel> what's your jabber handle, see if that works any better
[01:14] <burner> now if it would only let me know you called
[01:14] <burner> dburanen@jabber.org
[01:15] <RagnarokAngel> allegedly it's calling
[01:15] <RagnarokAngel> hmm
[01:15] <burner> nothing here
[01:15] <RagnarokAngel> terminal is giving me an empathy-warning though
[01:15] <RagnarokAngel> I'll pastebin everything since empathy started....
[01:16] <burner> i could call you... handle?
[01:16] <RagnarokAngel> RagnarokAngel.s@gmail.com
[01:16]  * arand likes how they removed one useful thing from the notification area, only to add four useless things >.<
[01:17] <RagnarokAngel> anything?
[01:17] <burner> nada
[01:17] <RagnarokAngel> so here's the pastebin of the excursion according to empathy http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m4e39b53b
[01:18] <burner> i was getting all that MC stuff, but none of hte warnings
[01:18] <RagnarokAngel> excellent, so the audio issues must be specific to my system...
[01:18] <RagnarokAngel> because both of those warnings were when I tried placing calls....
[01:18] <RagnarokAngel> however my brother on gtalk tried calling me
[01:18] <RagnarokAngel> and I at least *get* the call
[01:18] <RagnarokAngel> but it drops instantly
[01:19] <burner> progress :)
[01:19] <RagnarokAngel> lol
[01:19] <DanaG> grr, pulseaudio still doesn't offer surround sound on my usb sound card.
[01:19] <burner> grr... pulseaudios notification area icon means i can't maximize fitt's law and move to the bottom right corner for audio anymore :\
[01:20] <DanaG> That's not Pulseaudio specifically... that's the Ubuntu devs deciding to disable the old mixer applet.
[01:20] <burner> yeah... just had to use your comment as a segue to bitch
[01:20] <RagnarokAngel> lol
[01:22] <arand> On the subject of audio-woes. Seems like new sound thingamabob only picks up my built-in mic, not externally connected ones, which worked in jaunty...
[01:22] <RagnarokAngel> my bluetooth headset pairs just fine and doesn't interface with pulseaudio
[01:22] <burner> i'm rockin a usb connected headset currently in karmic
[01:22] <burner> my bluetooth has never worked
[01:23] <RagnarokAngel> burner: there's a bug report that has been solved back in 7.10 that specifically states *my* headset worked with ubuntu
[01:23] <RagnarokAngel> hooooray regression!
[01:23] <burner> i doubt it actually worked... pulse + bluetooth has been sketchy with 5+ headsets I tried
[01:23] <RagnarokAngel> bug got solved at least...
[01:23] <RagnarokAngel> so
[01:24] <burner> fair enough
[01:24] <RagnarokAngel> pulse isn't even seeing my headset... but it's paired just fine according to blueman
[01:24] <RagnarokAngel> and yes, I have blueman's pulseaudio plugin turned on
[01:28] <DanaG> weird... my version of blueman no longer even shows a "plugins" menu anywhere.
[01:29] <RagnarokAngel> DanaG: not in the about menu?
[01:29] <RagnarokAngel> DanaG: which is the weirdest place *ever* to put plugins....
[01:29] <DanaG> no wonder I couldn't find it.
[01:29] <RagnarokAngel> lol
[01:29] <RagnarokAngel> you're welcome
[01:29] <RagnarokAngel> I found it accidently
[01:30] <DanaG> wow, that's a HORRIBLE place for such a menu.
[01:30] <RagnarokAngel> lol, I know! And for some reason the pulse plugin was turned OFF by default
[01:30] <RagnarokAngel> so I thought
[01:30] <RagnarokAngel> hey, if I turn this on it should magic fix!
[01:30] <RagnarokAngel> nope.
[01:31] <RagnarokAngel> epic fail blueman.
[01:31] <DanaG> hmm, check pavucontrol... I think bluetooth devices default to profile "disabled", for some reason.
[01:33] <arand> Oh, apparently the setting ti enable my external mic was hidden away from the current sound applet, alsamixer shows them a-okay though, meh
[01:34] <DanaG> ugh, and pulseaudio can't control the volume of my usb soundcard.
[01:34] <RagnarokAngel> what's that DanaG? I don't even get another device to show up when I pair my headest... or at least not the last time which was what, a few days ago...
[01:37] <DanaG> hmm, and you've manually selected "connect to a2dp service"?
[01:39] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/412598
[01:39] <DanaG> grr!
[01:40] <RagnarokAngel> DanaG: um.... No, It's set up as a headset profile (whatever that means) -- how could I manually set it up as a2dp?
[01:42] <DanaG> hmm, right-click on the device in blueman-manager, and see what pops up.
[01:44] <DanaG> oh, and what's with the ugly jiggling line on xsplash?
[01:45] <arand> Hmm, add/rem apps was added to admin menu...
[01:47] <hggdh> hum. Where in bloody hell is my FUSA?
[01:48] <RagnarokAngel> DanaG: when I get it paired my options in blueman are connect to input, connect to headset....
[01:48] <DanaG> ah, must not be a BT stereo capable thingy.
[01:51] <DanaG> I've added comments to that bug report.
[01:51] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/412598
[01:55] <DanaG> oh yeah, sorry for sudden topic change.  =þ
[01:56] <burner> won't fix xsplash... that's unfortunate
[01:58] <DanaG> Hardcoding paths == bad.
[01:58] <DanaG> They should at least make it an 'alternative', or something.
[01:58] <DanaG> Current behavior: usplash -> xsplash (brown) -> gdm (blue) -> xsplash (brown) -> gdm (blue) -> user-desktop.
[01:58] <DanaG> Better behavior:   usplash -> xsplash (brown) -> gdm (blue) -> xsplash (blue) -> user-desktop.
[01:58] <burner> i like the mockups on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo
[01:58] <DanaG> (I'm using blue as an example.)
[02:08] <melik> ubuntu 9.10 should include the firewall, services, bootloader GUI configuration tools, the ones that come with Fedora
[02:08] <melik> those are great tools :D
[02:27] <aj_444_> I am having trouble shutting down my ubuntu machine. the ubuntu line will go the opposite way it does during start up, but then I get stuck at a white blinking line in the upper lefthand corner.
[02:31] <aj_444> is anybody in here?
[02:33] <aj_444> I'll take that as a no.
[02:36] <x1250> aj_444, that is so vague.... :(
[02:56]  * [Ramy] is busy with another bugs harvesting mission :)
[03:06] <nocturna> Hey everyone..i'm having an issue with grub2. It boots automatically into my ubuntu install..and never displays a menu, so I cannot choose any other OS to boot into. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? I've checked the grub.cfg and all the other OS's are there..
[03:09] <aboSamoor> did anyone notice the new xsplash ? the animation is really poor :(, but no resizing for the background is really cool
[03:09] <robert__> my computer won't restart is this a common problem for alpha release?
[03:11] <robert__> this channel is dead
[03:41] <hggdh> nocturna, you need to change /boot/grub/grub.cfg, and then run update-grub2
[03:45] <x1250> nocturna, did you press ESC (to show the menu)?
[03:57] <nocturna> x1250: It never says to press ESC or anything, it basically just boots ubuntu right off. I don't think I'd have enough time, but I can try the next time I reboot
[04:00] <hggdh> on the other hand, it is interesting how many people here expect an immediate response (looking at the backlog)
[04:01] <nocturna> I don't expect an immediate response :p
[04:02] <hggdh> nocturna, it was not directed at you :-)
[04:02] <x1250> well, people that expect inmediate responses, usually get none hehe.
[04:02] <greenbowl> Okay so my sound is really messed up.
[04:03] <greenbowl> I don't get any sound at all outside of Firefox (Swiftfox)
[04:03] <greenbowl> No boot sound, game sounds, rhythmbox - nothing
[04:03] <greenbowl> And the volume controls don't work either
[04:03] <greenbowl> I can move them up and down but they do nothing
[04:04] <greenbowl> Wait... now NO sound is working after a reboot
[04:04] <greenbowl> :/
[04:05] <oldude67> greenbowl, what does alsamixer say? is anything muted?
[04:06] <greenbowl> No
[04:07] <greenbowl> I just moved a slider on alsamixer and I heard a pop in my headphones
[04:07] <greenbowl> But that was all that happened... still no sound at all
[04:08] <x1250> greenbowl, just to mention it, plan B is to purge pulseaudio till they fix it. You'll probably be fine with alsa.
[04:08] <greenbowl> Ok
[04:09] <greenbowl> So I just purged pulseaudio
[04:09] <greenbowl> I'll reboot and come back if 9.10 is still being an arse.
[04:10] <greenbowl> Which, sadly, will probably be the case... that's what I get for wanting to be on the edge of technology I suppose :P
[04:10] <nocturna> Rebooting, I'm going to see if hitting escape lets me choose an OS. Brb and ty for the help.
[04:13] <greenbowl> Sound works
[04:13] <greenbowl> Any way I can get the sound control back on my task bar without using Pulse Audio?
[04:13] <greenbowl> Like... is there a PA alternative?
[04:14] <x1250> greenbowl, I did a menu element with the command: alsamixer -c 0
[04:14] <x1250> and if you need to adjust the mic, press tab.
[04:15] <nippz> hey been initializing/testing a 1.5tb drive so i can smak +1 in it, and ive written to the whole drive 4 times and done 3 full/long formats.
[04:16] <nippz> so now i'm scanning for errors with smartctl, would like second opinion: http://paste.ubuntu.com/260141/
[04:19] <x1250> nippz, looks normal to me. but this is not an expert opinion, just looks similar to what I get with my new HDD. Anyway, those pre-fail and old-age, which I also get, are odd. Third opinion someone?
[04:19] <nippz> x1250 ty; agreed seems odd; ::peers around::
[04:20] <nippz> x1250 figured i'd give the new stuff the best stuff i got - clocking a q66@3.6 once installed :>
[04:24] <greenbowl> Does anyone know of a program I can use to control my volume?
[04:24] <greenbowl> Sort of like pulse audio, but less fail-prone
[04:25] <RagnarokAngel> alsa has stuff...
[04:25] <RagnarokAngel> if you jus twant mainline....
[04:25] <x1250> greenbowl, something like a volume applet?
[04:26] <greenbowl> I reckon
[04:26] <greenbowl> Something I can put on a panel
[04:26] <greenbowl> and can recognize the volume buttons on my comp
[04:26] <nippz> sounds like a keyboard button mapping issue really.
[04:30] <x1250> greenbowl, I don't know, I just use alsamixer from the gnome menu. Maybe there is something out there, if you find something let me know :p
[04:31] <greenbowl> Okey smoke
[04:42] <Amaranth> greenbowl: Have you reported a bug about your pulseaudio issues?
[04:42] <Amaranth> greenbowl: Otherwise you'll have to get an old copy of gnome-applets
[04:48] <DanaG> !info gamix
[04:48] <DanaG> not a hotkey thingy, though.
[04:49] <DanaG> "pre-fail" is the TYPE of parameter, not the STATE.
[04:49] <DanaG> pre-fail means that, if this variable goes bad, it's a sign of upcoming failure.
[04:50] <x1250> mmm, good! thanks
[05:11] <billybigrigger> i think i'm done buying seagate drives
[05:12] <billybigrigger> just had my bios tell me my root disk is bad
[05:12] <crdlb> and? :)
[05:13] <darthanubis> any kubuntu users here?
[05:14] <Refried_> Heya.. I have a weird issue.  I have a wireless usb keyboard/mouse combo that work fine at the terminal, and to switch terminals, and to switch in and out of X, but are pretty flaky inside of X
[05:14] <Refried_> the mouse even works fine at the terminal with gpm
[05:14] <billybigrigger> crdlb: i have 3 seagate drives and they're all less than a year old
[05:14] <billybigrigger> one i've had to rma already
[05:14] <billybigrigger> now this one
[05:15] <Refried_> the mouse right now is completely useless under X  (although if i plug in an additional wired usb mouse, that works fine)
[05:15] <RagnarokAngel> is it a good idea to update java?
[05:15] <Refried_> any suggestions as to how to begin diagnosing?
[05:16] <crdlb> billybigrigger: well, two failures is unlucky, but they do fail
[05:25] <Refried_> three failures indicates a curse
[05:29] <DanaG> heyas, I got the -7 kernel to boot.
[05:30] <DanaG> The issue was one I'd run into before:
[05:30] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/392039
[05:34] <darthanubis> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3106052.0
[05:38] <billybigrigger> anyone here have any suggestions on getting my grub restored...
[05:38] <billybigrigger> i don't have a cdrw, just a usb stick
[05:38] <billybigrigger> and im stuck in tinycore linux
[05:39] <billybigrigger> i can't seem to get karmic daily live iso copied to usb drive correctly, or super grub disk...
[05:39] <billybigrigger> since tinycore doesn't have grub to setup SGD properly
[05:39] <billybigrigger> ...i'm running out of ideas
[05:49] <NoCode> http://pastebin.ca/1544297 So, I updated and upgraded with apt=get in the terminal, it said it kept packages back. So I went back into synaptic and marked all upgrades. It removed 3 packages and installed 40mb worth of other packages. Then I got that.
[05:49] <NoCode> Any ideas
[05:51] <Severian> Is GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET what I need to change to have menu of choice no longer hidden?  I don't find any documentation for this.
[05:51] <DanaG> hmm, check /etc/default/grub?
[05:52] <NoCode> why the hell would ctrl+c be linked to "closing" the "changes applied" window? Now I can't copy an error message. :|
[05:52] <Severian> DanaG, that is where the variable appeared.  But, it is not documented there.  Is it supposed to be?
[05:52] <DanaG> Beats me.
[05:54] <Severian> OK, maybe someone here will know.  I'd like to be able to boot my system after tomorrows update.  I have to go back to the 2.6.31-6 kernel or it won't boot.  And, yes I am searching the bug list to see if this is reported somewhere about the new kernel not booting.
[05:55] <DanaG> hmm, what's the actual behavior you see?  especially try booting without "quiet splash".
[05:57] <Severian> I alread changed the quiet to verbose.  The boot consistently hangs at the same spot.  The last message is about not being able to load /lib/modules/2.6.31-7-generic/kernel/drivers/crypto/padlock-sha.ko
[05:58] <Severian> The failure to boot started yesterday, but I did not have time to look into it until today.
[06:16] <Severian> Does anyone know what change to make to just /boot/grub/grub.cft to unhide the menu?  The procedure about /etc/default/grub won't work, because I can't boot Ubuntu at the moment.  So, I have to use a CD boot and edit a file and then reboot koala.
[06:17] <oldude67> is it just me or did the new update botch a few files?
[06:18] <Severian> I am having several problems, but I just assume that is normal during alpha testing.   For example gedit crashes a lot.  But, I can't repeat it reliably.
[06:20] <Severian> The new graphic during login is spiffy, though.
[06:20] <oldude67> i just had a couple of them error out on me when i first did the update and had to do a apt-get install -f to fix
[06:30] <sageNsand> I been having a problem with karmic boot. When it boots it stops at the black screen with the blinking cursor at the very top right. I then press reset and it boots OK. So it takes me 2 tries to get it booted. This just started today. Is there something I should type in at the blinking cursor to continue on?
[06:31] <sageNsand> top left
[06:31] <Severian> Type  "Stop that"
[06:31] <Severian> It won't help, though.
[06:31] <sageNsand> I wish it was that easy
[06:33] <Severian> I just submitted a bug.  It only affects the karmic alpha version of Ubuntu.  I don't see where to mark it thus.  It is bug 419709.  Can anyone advise?
[06:35] <Severian> Should I put a tag of Karmic on it?  Is that the right way?
[06:36] <sageNsand> I would post a bug but I don't have any code stuff to go along with it so I think I'll just lay low and it'll work out in the end
[06:41] <sageNsand> I had another problem with Gedit text editor. Sometimes when I go to open one on my desktop it opens for a mil second and disappears. I see the white layout but text doesn't have time to load. The workaround is to rename the file then it will open...strange
[06:50] <sageNsand> Severian  I always put Karmic as the first word just to make it stand out from all the other bugs. Its easier to filter through
[06:52] <Severian> sageNsand, The first word in what?  The subject, description, tags or something else?
[06:53] <sageNsand> The subject
[06:53] <Severian> OK, I'll go see if I can modify that.
[06:58] <sageNsand> Yours would look like  Karmic system does not complete boot process
[06:59] <Severian> sageNsand, I changed it to say Karmic does not complete boot process.  That should get the idea across.
[07:00] <sageNsand> For us testing guys that would help in finding just the Karmic bugs without having to open all of them to see what it was about
[07:02] <sageNsand> night all
[07:09] <DanaG> Might wanna' mention the kernel version that fails!
[07:11] <Severian> It is in the description.  Should it be in the summary?
[07:33] <keith> I installed kubuntu-desktop in Karmic, but I was not presented with the option to choose between kdm and gdm, nor do I seem to be able to get it to use gdm now. Is this a bug? Or is there a different way in the new GDM?
[08:09] <oldude67> is there anyone else having updates held back, i have 11 of them as it is right now and they are the same 11 i have held back now for the last week.
[08:11] <nzmm> see what happens if you change to the Main server in Software Properties
[08:12] <oldude67> well im not real concerned about it as it says there is a partial update with it and i wont do that ever again..i think ill just wait for them to let me update them.
[08:14] <nzmm> Ive had a cups package held back for a while
[08:14] <oldude67> ya that is one of mine as well plus one for kdm and several others.
[08:32] <keith> oldude67, have you tried a dist-upgrade on the command line? I think that installed all but one of the packages being held back for me.
[08:33] <oldude67> keith, no i havent , didnt think about that. let me try and see what it says.
[08:33] <keith> oldude67, I've never had any trouble trouble with partial upgrades either though.
[08:35] <oldude67> i have, so i dont do them anymore, and its letting me install most of them now. lets see what happens.
[08:35] <keith> The only issue I have had with the latest updates is they sort of broke my user login widget thing on the gnome-panel
[08:36] <keith> but it seems mostly fixed now
[08:36] <keith> So... does anyone know how to switch from kdm back to gdm? The usual method isn't working in Karmic...
[08:37] <oldude67> dpkg-reconfigure gdm should work
[08:37] <keith> oldude67, doesn't seem to
[08:38] <nzmm> hey, do people have to type in a password to eject dvd's.  Because i have to...
[08:38] <keith> oldude67, it gives no prompt, and says that the changes will take effect after all X sessions are closed. But keeps using kdm no matter what I do.
[08:38] <oldude67> nzmm, i have never had too.
[08:38] <keith> nzmm, nor I
[08:38] <nzmm> ok wierd
[08:40] <keith> oldude67, Are you using Karmic as a primary OS? or for testing?
[08:40] <oldude67> its my primary os
[08:41] <keith> oldude67, so I can see why you would want to be more cautious then. I have mostly just been testing in VirtualBox so far. You might consider installing it to test upgrades or partial upgrades in the future.
[08:41] <oldude67> i have, but with my intel stuff i cant really do that as it dont use the video in virtual box. tried it.
[08:42] <keith> oldude67, Gotcha. In my VM, it seems to be pretty stable and reliable at this point... has that been your experience as well? I am thinking of switching to it as my primary OS.
[08:43] <oldude67> the only problem i have had is when i did the partial upgrade and it hosed the system and had to reload it,but i keep all my personal stuff on a flash drive just for that reason.
[08:44] <oldude67> but i am also on a desktop with a hard line for my eth0 and dont have to worry about wifi and all of that stuff as well either.
[08:45] <keith> oldude67, was that earlier in the development? Because I don't trust any upgrades, partial or otherwise in the early releases. That's why I like keeping a separate home partition, and having nightly backups to an external drive.
[08:46] <keith> oldude67, the only thing that is making me cautious about switching right now is that I am wanting to install kde, but I don't think I really want to use kdm.
[08:46] <oldude67> yes that was like in alpha 2 and i think we are now on 5
[08:46] <keith> oldude67, I find the updates get fairly reliable around 3, and the distro gets usable as a primary os around 4 or 5.
[08:46] <oldude67> that is all i usually run as i dont care for gnome that well.
[08:47] <keith> oldude67, I always give kde a shot, but always end up back with gnome. :\
[08:47] <keith> oldude67, I really like a lot of things about it, but I think I don't give it enough of a chance when I run into something I can easily do in gnome.
[08:47] <oldude67> i would probably use xfce before i would gnome any more.
[08:48] <keith> why do you dislike gnome vs. kde?
[08:49] <oldude67> just my preference really, i got so use to using kde with slackware that when i switched to ubuntu i didnt like the gnome desktop.
[08:50] <keith> oldude67, yeah... the thing that frustrated me most recently was I couldn't find a way to browse the network in kde easily. Are you aware of a way?
[08:50] <keith> oldude67, I found references that told how, but it didn't seem to exist in Karmic when I looked for the same things.
[08:51] <oldude67> ah yeah gnome does seem to have more for the network then kde does, i will give it that...
[08:52] <keith> oldude67, there are a lot of little things that I liked about gnome more... like, when you tried playing a video that it didn't have a codec for, totem will ask if you want it to search. dragon (I think?) just didn't play the video.
[08:52] <ripps> I've got a problem where atop randomly takes up 96% of the cpu, I can barely write this message
[08:53] <ripps> gonna try to reboot
[08:54] <oldude67> ripps, what does atop do?
[08:54] <keith> performance monitor?
[08:54] <keith> http://freshmeat.net/projects/atop/
[08:55] <oldude67> ah you mean like in htop hmm i dont know i just run gkrellm
[08:58] <oldude67> keith, thanks for reminding me about the dist-upgrade i got all but 1 upgrade so thats cool
[09:01] <keith> oldude67, no problem. I used earlier today, so I was pretty sure it would work for you.
[09:02] <oldude67> i had just forgotten about it, as usually after a few days they all get upgraded, but i think alpha 5 just came out and i think i was still on 3 anyways.lol
[09:03] <randomnick> Hey guys.. i did a dist-upgrade yesterday or so and after that i wasn't able to boot any more.
[09:03] <oldude67> randomnick, what error did it give you?
[09:03] <randomnick> it says my filesystem is broken (i reinstalled.. and it worked until i dist-upgraded again - it's not a kernel issue it seems - i tried the old one as well)
[09:04] <keith> oldude67, alpha 5 comes out next thursday. :)
[09:04] <randomnick> i'm on a 9.04 live disc atm.
[09:04] <oldude67> randomnick, did you try to go into the recovery mode and fix it with the dpkg recovery option?
[09:05] <randomnick> hmm nope, i dropped to a shell and did fsck, which also said something was broken
[09:06] <oldude67> hit esc when you reboot and see if you have the recover mode and try that.
[09:06] <oldude67> may have botched and update
[09:07] <randomnick> sorry, i didn't absolutely get it.. i shall boot into recovery mode and then do what (and why)?
[09:07] <randomnick> i don't know what you mean with dpkg recovery option, sorry
[09:08] <randomnick> by the way.. i can mount the partition without problems on the live disk
[09:08] <keith> oldude67, have you had any issues mounting media when you open in for the first time from the kicker?
[09:08] <oldude67> under the menu when you hit esc there is an option to go to a recovery kernel setting then there is a menu that has an option to do with dpkg and it fixes some things.if you look you will see what im talking about.
[09:09] <randomnick> okay, will do - thanks so far :)
[09:09] <oldude67> keith, i myself have had never a problem with any media not mounting, but i know a lot of people do, most of the time someone in here can help you with it tho.
[09:10] <keith> oldude67, well... I can get the media to mount, either through the "Recently Plugged In Devices" or manually, but for some reason the kicker doesn't seem to work for me... at least in a VM.
[09:10] <keith> it opens a blank window
[09:11] <keith> I filed a bug, but I was curious about your experience in a real install.
[09:11] <oldude67> are you using the one from the repos or the one from vboxes web site?
[09:11] <keith> web site
[09:12] <oldude67> idk i have only used the one from the repos :(
[09:12] <keith> So, if you put a CD in your drive, and open it from Kicker->Computer->CD... it opens correctly?
[09:13] <oldude67> oh i dont know havent tried.
[09:13] <keith> oldude67, do you normally open from the popup?
[09:14] <oldude67> sorry i miss understood what you meant i thought you was talking about a pendrive.
[09:14] <oldude67> yeah i just open from the kdm log in.
[09:14] <keith> oldude67, Well, I have only tested with a CD. My assumption was that it would work the same with a flash drive.
[09:14] <richardcavell> anyone on Karmic having problems with XChat?
[09:14] <keith> Can't test flash drives in Vbox afaik though
[09:14] <oldude67> nope im not.
[09:15] <oldude67> i thought the one from their web site would let you use flashdrives now.
[09:16] <oldude67> well its now going on 3:30 am here so im out for the night take care laters all
[09:21] <blackest_knight1> hi karmic tried to upgrade my nvidia to version 185 but there is no nvidia.ko file and x is pretty broke
[09:22] <randomnick> hm.. that didn't work actually.. the recovery mode ends in the same situation.. the only difference is, that there's no splash screen due to menu.lst.
[09:22] <keith> randomnick, oldude67 left.
[09:23] <blackest_knight1> Any idea what I need to do to get a better x I'm using vesa640x480 to get here
[09:23] <randomnick> oh.. i see. thanks for telling me.
[09:23] <keith> randomnick, didn't want you to wait forever for a reply. Wish I could help. :)
[09:23] <randomnick> :)
[09:27] <ripps> Hmmm.... it seems I can't use superuser admin guis when mousetweaks is enabled
[09:29] <blackest_knight1> any suggestions for missing nvidia driver
[10:35] <Bauldrick> after logging in my screen fades to black - I can still run programs via Alt f2, but my desktop is not there. It's kubuntu-netbook, it's been suggested to disable kernel modesetting (?) how's that done?
[10:57] <maxb> Whoa, new pulsating ubuntu thingy whilst waiting for X to start
[10:57] <maxb> What package implements that?
[11:00] <Severian> I think it is gdm, from some earlier comments.
[11:04] <cdE|Woozy> maxb, that is xsplash
[11:10] <Michalxo> hello all. Is trackerd removed by default in karmic?
[11:15] <mac_v> hrm... what does the folder ~/.mcop refer to ? which app?
[11:17] <mac_v> has a folder "trader-cache" and file random seed
[11:35] <ripps> bizarre, I've been having alot of trouble logging in because My processor is flooded with a hundred ubuntuone-syncdaemon processes
[11:36] <arand> Beware of ubuntuone currently, it seems to send bug reports which lists all your "onned" files >_<
[11:37] <ripps> I only have like 2 files stored there
[11:38] <ripps> Now I've managed to run a loop process to kill ubuntu-syncdaemon long enough to uninstall and kill the ubuntuone-applet.
[11:38] <ripps> But notify-osd was flooded with Ubuntu One error messages.
[11:49] <nzmm> Michalxo: libtrackerclient is installed on my system but thats about all.
[11:50] <Michalxo> aha, in mine too... so they dropped it by default :)
[11:51] <Michalxo> aha, it's for totem-plugins :)
[11:52] <nzmm> Yea tracker seems to be in limbo until they make a new release, 0.6 was fairly useless
[11:53] <Michalxo> whole tracker is imo useless...
[11:57] <nzmm> Well i like the idea of tracker conceptually, its just tracker has lacked both a decent gui and full text search
[11:58] <Michalxo> i heard that beagle or so is much better
[12:01] <nzmm> Is it even actively developed?
[12:02] <Michalxo> dunno
[12:02] <js> hi
[12:02] <Michalxo> take a look for yourself I don't intend to use it... :)
[12:02] <js> since I updated my karmic yesterday, it seems luks doesn't work anymore
[12:02] <js> it just hangs
[12:02] <js> someone having the same problem?
[12:02] <arand> I guess if anything, ubuntu's tracker will be zeitgeist...
[12:05] <js> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/418685
[12:05] <js> it seems it's this issue
[12:06] <js> what would be the best way to use the old kernel + modules again
[12:06] <js> ?
[12:06] <js> apt-get remove the -7 and reinstall the -6 + modules?
[12:19] <js> when selecting 2.6.31-6 from GRUB, it complains about not finding the root fs - interesting
[12:19] <js> and the keyboard etc. don't work as well
[12:21] <gnomefreak> at least you can shut down
[12:26] <js> gnomefreak: nope, not even thast
[12:26] <js> I can only hard-reset
[12:32] <gnomefreak> js: me too
[12:32] <gnomefreak> im filing a bug atm
[12:34] <gnomefreak> js: you may want to comment and add info. you can just do ubuntu-bug 419859
[12:34] <cdE|Woozy> gnomefreak, bug #418509
[12:36] <gnomefreak> cdE|Woozy: thanks
[12:47] <js> ok, 2.6.31-5 seems to work
[13:09] <Michalxo> guys? After todays update of notification (notify-osd?) my notifications shows in middle of the screen mi-right
[13:09] <Michalxo> is it supposed to be that way? :-/
[13:10] <Michalxo> notify-osd: Installed: 0.9.18-0ubuntu1
[13:16] <richardcavell> My shutdown procedure is broken after recent updates.  Anyone else?
[13:17] <Michalxo> richardcavell, same here
[13:17] <richardcavell> Michalxo: I'm on a Macbook.  How about you?
[13:17] <Michalxo> waiting for some services to be stopped and shutdown ro something similar I think, right?
[13:17] <Michalxo> amd64 PC
[13:18] <richardcavell> It seems as though it's waiting for something to shut down
[13:18] <Michalxo> yes
[13:18] <richardcavell> But I get unpredictable console output
[13:18] <Michalxo> I think it happened twice so far.. both times I had to manually shut down the PC :(
[13:18] <Michalxo> *laptop
[13:18] <Michalxo> well.. me only 1 message in which it stays and waits :-/
[13:19] <richardcavell> Bug 419846
[13:19] <Michalxo> btw have you updated recently? I have bug with notifications
[13:19] <richardcavell> My notifications appear halfway down the screen
[13:19] <Michalxo> they show up on MIDDLE RIGHT instread of TOP R
[13:19] <Michalxo> yeah
[13:19] <richardcavell> It's not supposed to do that, is it?
[13:20] <Michalxo> yea
[13:20] <Michalxo> it has to be on top right (by deault_
[13:20] <richardcavell> it's a strange place to get notifications
[13:21] <Michalxo> yeah
[13:21] <Michalxo> what version of notify-osd do you have?
[13:22] <Michalxo> http://pastebin.com/m6e0e5521 ?
[13:23] <richardcavell> I updated to the latest one
[13:24] <richardcavell> Michalxo: are you aware of a bug report on notify-osd?
[13:24] <Michalxo> dunno where
[13:24] <Michalxo> http://www.pixhost.org/show/119/618967_asd.png
[13:25] <Michalxo> trying to find related bug, but there are tons of notification bugs :-/
[13:26] <richardcavell> yeah
[13:26] <richardcavell> I'm searching the bug reports right now
[13:29] <Michalxo> richardcavell, I think we have to make the new one...
[13:30] <richardcavell> yeah I'm looking at it
[13:30] <richardcavell> Do you want to make the report and use your screenshot?
[13:31] <Michalxo> you can make it.. I'll add myself there later ;)
[13:31] <Michalxo> richardcavell, you can use my picture if you want to ;)
[13:32] <richardcavell> okay I'll make a bug report
[13:33] <Michalxo> hey! I had/have? this bug too "Screen randomly goes off in karmic "
[13:37] <Michalxo> richardcavell, do you have problem with "HDD corrupted" notification too?
[13:37] <richardcavell> firstly the screen randomly goes off bug has been fixed
[13:38] <richardcavell> it occurs on all video hardware
[13:38] <richardcavell> and I don't get HDD corrupted messages
[13:40] <Michalxo> richardcavell, let me know when you make that notifi bug
[13:41] <richardcavell> okay I'm uploading now
[13:41] <richardcavell> Bug 419894
[13:44] <natewiebe13> so today is artwork first drop.. what exactly happens?
[13:44] <richardcavell> it should mean that there's a whole stack of new artwork for us
[13:45] <natewiebe13> as in..
[13:45] <richardcavell> what are you asking?
[13:45] <Michalxo> where can we see it?
[13:45] <natewiebe13> is there an update today.. or?
[13:45] <natewiebe13> yeah exactly
[13:45] <richardcavell> I don't think it means that it will appear right now
[13:45] <richardcavell> presumably it will come within days
[13:45] <Michalxo> btw, new login-window showed up with todays updates.. some flashy thing ;)
[13:46] <natewiebe13> an update from the repos?
[13:46] <richardcavell> natewiebe13: yeah it will come from the repos
[13:46] <Michalxo> y
[13:46] <richardcavell> we're trying it all out... that's the idea of an alpha release
[13:46] <Michalxo> richardcavell, can we see that artwork somewhere?
[13:47] <richardcavell> Michalxo: presumably you'd have to be involved with the project to see it
[13:47] <Michalxo> ah
[13:48] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: you had a different gdm?
[13:48] <Michalxo> yes
[13:48] <Michalxo> a big longer to boot up imo.. +2-5 secs
[13:48] <natewiebe13> what package did it for you?
[13:48] <natewiebe13> xsplash?
[13:49] <natewiebe13> because i have no update for 'gdm' here
[13:49] <Michalxo> it was basically same, but while loading there was some "progress-bar-like" flash going down-to-up
[13:49] <Michalxo> gdm 2.27.90
[13:50] <natewiebe13> ive had that for a long while now.. so the update must be from xsplash
[13:50] <natewiebe13> i'll give it a try
[14:09] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: very bugged
[14:09] <natewiebe13> haha
[14:10] <natewiebe13> the bar was supposed to go left and right, not up continuously..
[14:10] <Michalxo> really? :D
[14:11] <natewiebe13> but it is better than the wallpaper just flashing
[14:11] <natewiebe13> yeah.. look at the video mockup on /Boot/Demo
[14:11] <Michalxo> I don't like that wallpaper at all.. and hadn't had it falshing...
[14:11] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, can you post direct link please?
[14:11] <natewiebe13> better than what they had for a mockup
[14:12] <natewiebe13> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=karmic-boot-demo.swf
[14:13] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: have you customized your gdm?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> Heyas all
[14:13] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, not at all
[14:14] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, totem gives Internal data flow error. :D
[14:14] <natewiebe13> open it with firefox
[14:14] <Michalxo> wow, yes that falsh is pretty nice
[14:15] <Michalxo> pretty nice boot :)
[14:15] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: thats probably why you didnt see the flashing before.. i have a custom background, font, and icons on my gdm..
[14:15] <cdE|Woozy> the throbber is quite jerky on my system due to heavy i/o on startup :/
[14:15] <natewiebe13> cdE|Woozy: the throbber should be going horizontally instead of vertically
[14:15] <cdE|Woozy> that too
[14:16] <natewiebe13> it was fine for me.. except the direction of the throbber
[14:16] <natewiebe13> but i also think that xsplash (the package that is responsible for this change) should get the background from the gdm, not from another source
[14:17] <cdE|Woozy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2OAgP0aX2Q <- that's how it looks on my system
[14:19] <Michalxo> same here cdE|Woozy ;)
[14:19] <natewiebe13> cdE|Woozy: thats definately a smoother transition that what i have.. since i have a custom background on gdm.. it transitions as the following
[14:20] <Michalxo> but htat notification bug anooyes me more and shutdown process is not good too :-/
[14:20] <natewiebe13> boot, xsplash, gdm, xsplash, desktop: where gdm and desktop share a different background than xsplash
[14:22] <cdE|Woozy> you could try adding "-b /path/to/custom/background.jpg" to xsplash in /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default
[14:23] <cdE|Woozy> I don't know whether it actually works yet, but xsplash --help lists that as a way so specify the background image
[14:23] <cdE|Woozy> s/so/to/
[14:33] <natewiebe13> there is also a background image in /usr/share/images/xsplash
[14:47] <natewiebe13> cdE|Woozy: heres what i get from the 'Default' file
[14:48] <natewiebe13> PATH="/usr/bin:$PATH:/bin:/usr/bin"
[14:48] <natewiebe13> if [ -x '/usr/bin/xsplash' ];
[14:48] <natewiebe13> then
[14:48] <natewiebe13>         /usr/bin/xsplash &
[14:48] <natewiebe13> fi
[14:48] <natewiebe13> where should i stick the -b
[14:48] <Hirato_> probably before the &
[14:48] <cdE|Woozy> yes
[14:49] <natewiebe13> alright i'll give it a shot and let you know..
[14:52] <natewiebe13> alright.. halfway there
[14:52] <natewiebe13> i get the custom background after login
[14:52] <natewiebe13> how about before the gdm?
[14:53] <natewiebe13> cdE|Woozy: any ideas?
[14:54] <natewiebe13> Hirato_: any ideas?
[14:54] <Hirato_> I was just stating the obvious, I really don't know :P
[14:54] <natewiebe13> where's the startup script located?
[14:55] <natewiebe13> /etc/init/rc.conf?
[14:56] <natewiebe13> nope
[14:57] <natewiebe13> if [ -x '/usr/bin/xsplash' ]; whats that refering to?
[15:01] <natewiebe13> few problem: im getting a white screen after the desktop is starting to appear, notify-osd is showing up on the right hand side in the middle of the screen, and grub is not silent anymore
[15:01] <natewiebe13> anyone else having any of the same problems?
[15:04] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, heheh this is that notification bug I mentioned few hours ago
[15:05] <BluesKaj> natewiebe13, id you did an update today run update-grub
[15:05] <BluesKaj> if
[15:05] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, richardcavell> Bug 419894
[15:06] <Michalxo> haha it's a FEATURE not a bug :)
[15:06] <natewiebe13> really?
[15:06] <natewiebe13> i say its a bug
[15:07] <natewiebe13> about the custom background.. i emailed kenvandine.. so i'll share the answer when i get it
[15:07] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: im going to test and see if grub is silent.. thanks for the info
[15:11] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: its still not silent
[15:12] <natewiebe13> also anyone not getting their computer to shutdown? mine comes to a prompt after the shutdown splash
[15:12] <cdE|Woozy> natewiebe13, the if-statement checks whether xsplash is installed. if it is, it is started
[15:12] <natewiebe13> okay thanks
[15:15] <richardcavell> Michalxo: Hi
[15:15] <Michalxo> richardcavell, it's a feature... not a bug :)
[15:15] <rleeds> Hey all
[15:15] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: sadly
[15:15] <richardcavell> yeah
[15:15] <richardcavell> lol
[15:16] <richardcavell> well I think the feature should be turned off
[15:16] <natewiebe13> exactly
[15:16] <natewiebe13> richardcavell: know much about xsplash?
[15:16] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, you were a bit faster then me :D
[15:17] <rleeds> Notify-OSD just started showing notifications in the middle of the screen. Looks like bug #418731 "fix". Is this configurable?
[15:17] <richardcavell> natewiebe13: only that it keeps breaking my karmic
[15:17] <natewiebe13> richardcavell: trying to change the background of xsplash.. i have it changed after gdm, but not before.. any ideas?
[15:17] <richardcavell> Michalxo: by the way that problem of karmic not shutting down appears to be almost universal with the 2.6.31-7 kernel
[15:18] <natewiebe13> so its the kernel..
[15:18] <natewiebe13> :(
[15:18] <natewiebe13> lol
[15:18] <Michalxo> i think so.. in -6 it was ok...
[15:18] <richardcavell> natewiebe13: you get gdm?  Luxury!
[15:18] <richardcavell> natewiebe13: yeah, it's the kernel
[15:18] <Michalxo> :)
[15:18] <richardcavell> I've never seen a login screen since upgrading from Jaunty
[15:18] <natewiebe13> richardcavell: xsplash would be fine.. but i have a custom gdm.. so the wallpaper changes are annoying
[15:19] <natewiebe13> richardcavell: any idea where the startup script would be that would trigger xsplash?
[15:20] <Michalxo> richardcavell, I upgraded from jaunty and it was OK here :)
[15:21] <richardcavell> natewiebe13: no
[15:21] <richardcavell> I am struggling getting things like sound and login screen to work
[15:21] <richardcavell> I might go buy Snow Leopard on the weekend and use that till Karmic release
[15:21] <natewiebe13> richardcavell: ive got no probs here.. with the gdm.. is it that you have an automatic login?
[15:22] <bjsnider> you might buy a snow leopard? that would be expensive. and it would likely eat your computer, and you too
[15:22] <richardcavell> natewiebe13: to be honest I think it's been fixed over the last couple of days
[15:22] <Michalxo> richardcavell, for help about sound go to #alsa or #pulseaudio ;)
[15:23] <richardcavell> Michalxo: been there
[15:23] <richardcavell> really helpful guys
[15:23] <Michalxo> ;(
[15:23] <richardcavell> but it's not a config thing
[15:23] <richardcavell> On Jaunty and OS X and Win 7 my sound is flawless
[15:24] <Michalxo> so some PAudio thing?
[15:25] <richardcavell> y
[15:26] <BluesKaj> richardcavell, do you have a pc soundcard or onboard ?
[15:26] <Q-FUNK> hi!  I'm curious of how one can change the GDM theme back to what we had in Jaunty?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> pci that is
[15:26] <richardcavell> onboard (laptop)
[15:26] <BluesKaj> oh , prolly an intel chip
[15:27] <richardcavell> y
[15:27] <BluesKaj> !intelhda
[15:29] <Q-FUNK> WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/lsb_release.py is linked but does not belong to any package.
[15:29] <Q-FUNK> am I the only one who gets this?
[15:29] <natewiebe13> Q-FUNK: i think you can only change the background, icons, and text
[15:29] <natewiebe13> i got that too
[15:29] <natewiebe13> i just ignored it
[15:29] <richardcavell> Q-FUNK: me three
[15:30] <Q-FUNK> natewiebe13: I've been trying to find out how to get our good old login. that crap we currently have in karmic reminds me too much of XDM.
[15:30] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, there used to be some notification-settings GUI for setting where you want to show notifications... but I can;t find it for karmic :-/
[15:31] <natewiebe13> im still trying to find where xsplash is called
[15:32] <natewiebe13> DanaG: around?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> Q-FUNK, yeah, that's a normal warning , I was told to ignore it yesterday , doesn't mean anything is broken ...will be fixed soon
[15:42] <Michalxo> daamn, that PA is pretty bugged :-/
[15:44] <BluesKaj> Michalxo, afraid so ...i dumped it , fortunatly my souncard driver and alsa are working fine without it.
[15:44] <Michalxo> :)
[15:45] <Michalxo> well it works, but for instance when I reach the lowest global level
[15:45] <Michalxo> and then want to make it louder it just wont let me... application volume stays at the lowest level tough, so I have to turn in up manually...
[15:45] <Michalxo> and doublelick on volume icon does not bring up the volume-controller....
[15:46] <BluesKaj> you mean master level , ok do you have alsa-utils installed?
[15:47] <natewiebe13> alright.. i found the file to get the custom background for the first xsplash
[15:48] <cdE|Woozy> Michalxo, the notification settings gui was for the old notification system, I think the position for notify-osd is pretty much hardcoded and not intended to be configurable
[15:48] <natewiebe13> the files are both named 'Default'.. one is under /etc/gdm/Init/ and the other is under /etc/gdm/PreSession/
[15:49] <natewiebe13> and the throbber is being fixed right now.. (email from ken vandine)
[15:50] <cdE|Woozy> nice :)
[15:50] <natewiebe13> yup.. now i have a smooth xsplash :)
[15:55] <natewiebe13> http://www.wiebeswheels.com/Screenshot-1.png : there is a screenshot of my xsplash
[15:57] <natewiebe13> cupsddk and cups-ppdc are conflicting.. anyone else experiencing this?
[16:11] <Innomen> hi all is it possible to upgrade from jaunty to karmic or must i reinstall completely?
[16:11] <arand> Innomen: update-manager -d
[16:11] <arand> Innomen: expect Karmic to break.
[16:11] <Innomen> arand, the machine in question cannot reach the net, that is why io wish to upgrade
[16:12] <Innomen> could i update the machine from a live cd for example?
[16:13] <natewiebe13> imo i would do a clean install
[16:13] <Cyberkilla> At the moment, many users are reporting that they cannot shutdown.
[16:13] <natewiebe13> the new kernel
[16:13] <Cyberkilla> It hangs on a black screen with a flashing cursor
[16:13] <Innomen> well obviously if i plan on doing a clean install i should attempt an upgrade first since a clean insteall is what you do when you break everything :)
[16:13] <Innomen> i upgraded the kernel already
[16:14] <x1250> natewiebe13, why? I would try to upgrade first. If it breaks badly, reinstall, if it breaks badly, jaunty again :)
[16:14] <Cyberkilla> Requiring them to hard reset or do ALT+SysRq+b.
[16:14] <Innomen> so, can one upgrade offline?
[16:14] <Cyberkilla> I think you need to do more than just b, but that's all I do.
[16:14] <natewiebe13> x1250: usually always breaks for me when i have done an upgrade
[16:14] <arand> ah, um... I guess the instructions in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades#Upgrading%20Using%20the%20Alternate%20CD/DVD for CD-upgrade applies in this case as well?
[16:15] <natewiebe13> Innomen, i would wait until sept 3rd though
[16:15] <Innomen> dude
[16:15] <Innomen> letrs assume i want what i want and i'm sure about it :)
[16:15] <natewiebe13> since you dont have internet on that one.. might as well wait until the next alpha
[16:15] <x1250> natewiebe13, yea, depends a lot on your hardware (and luck).
[16:16] <natewiebe13> true
[16:16] <Innomen> so can an upgrade be done offline?
[16:16] <Innomen> or are we not sure
[16:16] <arand> Innomen: using http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20090826.1/ along with above linked instructions should do that, if all goes well.
[16:17] <Innomen> i'll read, thank you :)
[16:17] <natewiebe13> Innomen: i would wait until the kernel is updated.. its really annoying not being able to shut down
[16:17] <Innomen> OMG
[16:17] <Innomen> natewiebe13, i get it! you've told me what YOU would do like 10 times now
[16:18] <Innomen> me not want do you do, me want do i do :)
[16:18] <natewiebe13> once what i would do, and 2 times what you should do
[16:19] <Innomen> i'm not going to paste the log at you
[16:19] <Innomen> i have a cd to downloa apprently, thank you all for your time :)
[16:43] <Cyberkilla> weird
[16:44] <Cyberkilla> Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next art drop, because today's was a nonevent, as far as I can tell.
[16:47] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, got any news about that notifications?
[16:47] <natewiebe13> if it was fixed?
[16:47] <natewiebe13> Cyberkilla: xsplash is doin stuff
[16:48] <Michalxo> yeah that notifications... pretty distracting
[16:48] <Cyberkilla> Yes, it is, but what on earth is it doing? Vertical scrolls?:O
[16:48] <Cyberkilla> And yes, my notifications are all over the place now.
[16:48] <natewiebe13> notifications are still messed
[16:49] <natewiebe13> and now xsplash isnt just flickering the old wallpaper
[16:51] <Michalxo> Cyberkilla, I haven't seen 2 notifications at same time from update :-/
[16:51] <Michalxo> Cyberkilla, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/419894
[16:52] <Cyberkilla> thanks
[16:54] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: just need two people to send you a message
[16:54] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: i dont think one person can alone
[16:54] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, message?
[16:55] <natewiebe13> yeah.. with your name in front (just like i did above)
[16:55] <natewiebe13> to get two notifications to show up
[17:13] <AnAnt> Hello, is anyone using kernel 2.6.31-7 ?
[17:13] <richardcavell> AnAnt: yes
[17:13] <natewiebe13> yup
[17:13] <richardcavell> AnAnt: let's guess your complaint
[17:13] <richardcavell> shutdown not working?
[17:13] <natewiebe13> not shutting down?
[17:13] <AnAnt> yes, that's one
[17:14] <natewiebe13> nice.. i subscribed to that bug
[17:14] <richardcavell> AnAnt: then join the queue
[17:14] <natewiebe13> bug #418509
[17:14] <AnAnt> ok, I just got this reply from -kernel : 18:13 >rtg_< AnAnt, -7 is killing kittens. -8.28 is in the pipeline.
[17:16] <richardcavell> AnAnt: don't you mean 2.6.31-8 is in the pipeline?
[17:16] <richardcavell> and that's a pretty serious bug.
[17:16] <AnAnt> richardcavell: yup, I think that's what he means
[17:17] <Michalxo> richardcavell, what means pipeline?
[17:17] <AnAnt> richardcavell: -8 in the pipeline is a bug ?
[17:17] <AnAnt> Michalxo: if I understand correctly, it means coming in the way
[17:17] <richardcavell> Michalxo: pipeline is what fluids flow through.  So it means that the item is coming through a series of stages and it will get to us.
[17:18] <richardcavell> AnAnt: no, -7 is the buggy one.
[17:18] <Michalxo> ah, great then :)
[17:18] <AnAnt> oh
[17:18] <richardcavell> Michalxo: are you French?
[17:18] <Michalxo> nope
[17:18] <Michalxo> SVK
[17:18] <richardcavell> I notice that there are many dupes of this bug
[17:18] <richardcavell> Including one from me
[17:18] <oldude67> ok good its not just me then , i thought i broke my system again with that update...grrrr....:(
[17:18] <natewiebe13> Canadian..
[17:18] <richardcavell> French Canadian?
[17:18] <natewiebe13> nope
[17:18] <natewiebe13> ontario
[17:19] <natewiebe13> but i can kinda speak french
[17:19] <richardcavell> When people say "What means...", it often means they're French.
[17:19] <AnAnt> LP 414795
[17:19] <richardcavell> I don't get sound out of anything other than one app
[17:19] <natewiebe13> (as in the pc speaker)??
[17:19] <oldude67> well i would much rather have my computer not beeping then not shutting down right...
[17:20] <natewiebe13> pc speaker or a beep through the speakers?
[17:20] <natewiebe13> if its from the pcspeaker.. im glad.. now i dont have to blacklist pcspkr on every ubuntu machine i install
[17:21] <AnAnt> natewiebe13: I can't really be sure on a laptop !
[17:21] <itswhatev> anybody who uses virtualbox know if they have an irc channel?
[17:21] <natewiebe13> true
[17:21] <oldude67> and i dont think its so much the kernel as it is with one of the upgrades ,cause i had the -7 kernel installed for a couple of days no problem, then did distro-upgrade and thats when it went screwy.
[17:21] <AnAnt> natewiebe13: pcspkr is blacklisted in karmic now
[17:21] <Michalxo> itswhatev,  /join #virtualbox
[17:21] <natewiebe13> AnAnt: which is good..
[17:22] <oldude67> itswhatev, i also think they have #vbox too
[17:22] <AnAnt> natewiebe13: sure, but if someone needs it & modprobe's it, it should work
[17:22] <natewiebe13> AnAnt: i get sound, so its from the pcspkr that the bug is about.. but since its blacklisted.. i dont think its a bug
[17:22] <AnAnt> natewiebe13: btw, the bug is that I don't get a beep !
[17:22] <natewiebe13> and you unlisted it?
[17:23] <natewiebe13> *removed it from blacklist*
[17:23] <AnAnt> natewiebe13: ah, you mean I should do so ?
[17:23] <natewiebe13> if you dont get a beep.. remove the line "blacklist pcspkr" from blacklist.conf ... then restart and see if you get a beep
[17:23] <oldude67> AnAnt, um yeah if you want it to beep.
[17:24] <natewiebe13> if pcspkr is in blacklist.conf that would explain why you dont get a beep.. its blacklisting the pcspeaker on startup
[17:25] <AnAnt> natewiebe13: I thought that modprobing it after boot would do
[17:25] <AnAnt> but prolly you're right
[17:25] <natewiebe13> nope
[17:25] <AnAnt> blacklisting it could be causing something else to take its place
[17:26] <natewiebe13> maybe.. but try what i said
[17:26] <natewiebe13> make sure you restart after changing the blacklist.conf file
[17:33] <RagnarokAngel> anyone running empathy want to help me test if I can make audio calls now? I keep getting an error, and want to be sure before I file a bug
[17:33] <Michalxo> RagnarokAngel, PM?
[17:34] <RagnarokAngel> Michalxo: sure
[17:34] <itswhatev> ugh.. this vbox channel is all idle'rs
[17:40] <AnAnt> yeah, will do this now
[17:54] <tanath> i was chainloading grub2 from grub1, but the last update eliminated grub1 and now i can't choose which kernel to boot >.<
[17:55] <tanath> when i installed grub2 it said to run a command to get rid of grub1 after i've tested it, so why would it do that without asking?
[18:03] <sparr> i have no audio in flash in firefox, anyone else experiencing that issue?
[18:05] <tanath> i've had occasional audio issues, usually with flash. sometimes it gets muted or the settings get changed
[18:17] <RagnarokAngel> sparr: somtimes flash is muted, sometimes it isn't for me
[18:17] <sparr> any idea what causes that?
[18:17] <sparr> tanath: are those settings displayed somewhere?
[18:18] <tanath> you in gnome?
[18:19] <tanath> look at the volume thingy in notification area
[18:19] <tanath> there's settings/prefs in clicking it and right-clicking it
[18:19] <tanath> my gnome's not working though, so i can't tell you exactly
[18:20] <tanath> or there's the Sounds applet in menus @ top
[18:20] <shadeslayer> wow... gnome has so many problems..and people say KDE has issues... ;)
[18:22] <billybigrigger> hey all
[18:22] <shadeslayer> billybigrigger: hi
[18:23] <billybigrigger> root@sysresccd /mnt % chroot /mnt/root
[18:23] <billybigrigger> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/zsh': No such file or directory
[18:23] <billybigrigger> does that mean anything to anyone?
[18:23] <billybigrigger> i'm in a rescuecd and can't chroot into my broken karmic partition :(
[18:23] <billybigrigger> i'm ready to chuck this drive out the window haha
[18:23] <billybigrigger> root@sysresccd /mnt % chroot /mnt/root
[18:23] <billybigrigger> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/zsh': No such file or directory
[18:24] <billybigrigger> zsh must be a shell or something i don't have installed???
[18:24] <billybigrigger> think a sym link from bash to zsh would work?
[18:25] <DanaG> you can just chroot /mnt/root /bin/bash
[18:25] <billybigrigger> fair enough
[18:25] <DanaG> that is, pass the shell as a parameter. =þ
[18:25] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: do you have pcpksr blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf ?
[18:25] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: nope
[18:26] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: http://pastebin.com/f515ed44e
[18:26] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: it is blacklisted
[18:26] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: look at the end of the file
[18:26] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: btw the new kernel hangs on shutdown.... like 20 pc of the bar in usplash remains wherein i have to manually shut it down
[18:27] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: yeah, it's a known bug
[18:27] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: oh yeah now  i see it
[18:27] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: -8 on the way
[18:27] <shadeslayer> yayy
[18:28] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: do you have the bug no. for that?
[18:31] <billybigrigger> yay.
[18:31] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: 418509
[18:32] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: thanks
[18:32] <AnAnt> np
[18:32] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: i never noticed they black listed the moudle  with the new kernel :P
[18:33] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: mac_v mentioned that in the bug I reported about PC beep
[18:33] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: beep works for you now,right ?
[18:34] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: not right now
[18:34] <shadeslayer> since its still blacklisted
[18:34] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: but if you modprobe pcspkr it will work,right ?
[18:34] <shadeslayer> hold
[18:35] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: nope
[18:36] <AnAnt> oh, ok
[18:36] <RagnarokAngel> is there any reason xrandr would crash my system?
[18:38] <AnAnt> bye
[18:48] <bjsnider> if they want xsplash to replace usplash they'll have to start the x server at about the same time they load the kernel
[18:49] <mac_v> bjsnider: thats the goal :)
[18:49] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Anyone else here with an Eee PC 901 experiencing Wi-Fi problems?
[18:49] <mac_v> bjsnider: actually xsplash wont replace usplash , it will just cover it , we will still see usplash on shutdown
[18:50]  * shadeslayer hopes they fix the kernel first :P
[18:50]  * mac_v scared of rebooting , due to -7 kernel shutdown probs
[18:50] <shadeslayer> mac_v: same here.....i force a shutdown or use a old kernel
[18:51] <mac_v> shadeslayer: i'm having to do a force fsck every time!
[18:51] <shadeslayer> mac_v: hehe
[18:52] <mac_v> the / just gets corrupted due to hard shutdown!
[19:18] <ikonia> shadeslayer: what's up with the kernel you're using ?
[19:21] <shadeslayer> ikonia: oh its a known bug,the kernel hangs during the shutdown
[19:22] <shadeslayer> ikonia: then you have press down the power button to force a shutdown
[19:28] <billybigrigger> anyone having problems with ubuntuone-syncdeamon and %100 cpu?
[19:33] <tillux> hi there. I just encountered a funny little "bug" that might be pretty annoying to first-users, after first-installation, I think: If the hardware clock is adjusted (automatically )to match the correct time(-zone etc) (directly after installation) it might be the case that the last mount time is e.g. 1 hour ahead of the current time, which will lead fsck to fail upon booting, so that you have to adjust the clock in bios...
[19:34] <mac_v> ikonia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/418509 the kernel bug
[20:12] <natewiebe13> so anyone know if the updated xsplash is what today's art drop is?
[20:13] <natewiebe13> or how to fix the annoying notifications?
[20:16] <x1250> guys, what is the naming convention for git versions? I'm creating x264 package from git commit 448b1387254bbf186b83db0fd393477ea1d01a55
[20:16] <DanaG> weird... gnome-power--manager is no longer showing the brightness thingy.
[20:17] <x1250> bah, wrong channel :(
[20:17] <billybigrigger> bah
[20:17] <billybigrigger> anyone ubuntuone users here?
[20:17] <natewiebe13> DanaG: grub is no longer silent.. where do i put it back?
[20:18] <natewiebe13> billybigrigger: i use ubuntuone
[20:18] <billybigrigger> are you getting %100 cpu usage from it
[20:18] <DanaG> hmm, edit the "linux default" thingy in  in /etc/default/grub
[20:18] <billybigrigger> ubuntuone-syncdeamon has spawned a gazillion instances and is slowwwwing me doooown
[20:18] <natewiebe13> ive got 0% usage
[20:19] <natewiebe13> DanaG: what line
[20:19] <billybigrigger> haha look at this
[20:19] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/1544963
[20:19] <DanaG> hmm, wait, you're talking about grub itself being quiet?
[20:19] <DanaG> Do you have other OSes, and want it to still be silent
[20:20] <DanaG> ?
[20:20] <natewiebe13> yes, unless i press the ESC key
[20:20] <natewiebe13> billybigrigger: haha.. crazyness
[20:20] <DanaG> GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[20:20] <DanaG> GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
[20:21] <DanaG> perhaps set that?
[20:21] <billybigrigger> killall ubuntuone-sync does nothin
[20:21] <billybigrigger> i can't seem to kill it
[20:21] <DanaG> timeout zero means it doesn't prompt for a key... you have to already be holding a key (such as shift) to get the menu.
[20:21] <natewiebe13> timeout is set to 10, but there is hidden timeout
[20:22] <DanaG> weird, mine doesn't have that parameter.
[20:22] <DanaG> try this: aptitude changelog grub2
[20:22] <natewiebe13> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX whats that?
[20:22] <DanaG> and then check the notes there.
[20:22] <diverse_izzue> i have a problem since about two days that karmic hangs on shutdown. anyone else?
[20:22] <DanaG> that cmdline is where I put my console=ttyS0 console=tty0 arguments, for example.
[20:22] <natewiebe13> diverse_izzue: there is a bug.. its the kernel
[20:23] <DanaG> the LINUX_DEFAULT is where "quiet splash" goes.
[20:23] <natewiebe13> i have
[20:23] <natewiebe13> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[20:23] <natewiebe13> and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""
[20:23] <diverse_izzue> natewiebe13, do you happen to know the LP bug #?
[20:23] <natewiebe13> diverse_izzue: one sec
[20:24] <natewiebe13> diverse_izzue: bug #418509
[20:24] <natewiebe13> DanaG: i'll try putting "quiet splash" under cmdline linux and see if that helps
[20:25] <diverse_izzue> natewiebe13, thanks. another thing: notify-osd misplaces notifications (middle of the screen on the right edge) - is that also known?
[20:25] <natewiebe13> back in 2 min
[20:25] <natewiebe13> yes
[20:25] <DanaG> All that changes is the usplash behavior.
[20:25] <DanaG> not grub behavior.
[20:26] <natewiebe13> diverse_izzue: it should be on the top right.. its a new feature but people are trying to get it back to top right (bug #419894)
[20:27] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1251304
[20:29] <natewiebe13> grub still appears..
[20:31] <natewiebe13> DanaG: mind taking a look? http://paste.ubuntu.com/260505/
[20:32] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7854520
[20:32] <DanaG> Looks like your issue is the reverse of this one.
[20:34] <natewiebe13> yeah..
[20:34] <DanaG> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-August/000599.html
[20:34] <DanaG> When I get home, I'll check what it's like on my no-other-os-installed spare laptop/.
[20:37] <natewiebe13> it was fine until the update this morning with xsplash
[20:38] <natewiebe13> which looks good after i replaced the background with what im using for my desktop and for the gdm
[20:39] <natewiebe13> DanaG: have you seen the new xsplash yet with the throbber?
[20:40] <DanaG> Yeah, it's rather hideous.
[20:40] <DanaG> It's like a twitchy, jiggly line.
[20:42] <natewiebe13> DanaG: they just have the direction of the throbber mixed up.. ken vandine said they are already working on a fix.
[20:43] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/412598
[20:43] <DanaG> Hmm, it might be good for them to make the wallpaper be set in an actual .conf file, at the very least.
[20:43] <DanaG> One for each stage.
[20:43] <DanaG> Otherwise, people will have to edit the gdm files, and dpkg-divert them to not get trampled.
[20:44] <natewiebe13> yeah.. i have changed mine already.. it was kind of a pain to find them though
[20:45] <DanaG> They should break it into two stages: boot -> gdm,   and then gdm -> desktop.
[20:46] <DanaG> And have two settable images.
[20:46] <natewiebe13> yeah.. right now its under PreSession and Init.. but you can have 2 settable images that way
[20:46] <DanaG> For example, Win7 does one thing until the login screen pops up, and then keeps the login screen background up until desktop is ready.
[20:47] <DanaG> "Also, we can't use two backgrounds (which one would you see in the autologin case?)."
[20:47] <DanaG> Which one?  The first one, of course!
[20:48] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/412598
[20:48] <DanaG> new comment just added.
[20:49] <natewiebe13> i dont know with autologin.. but with the gdm.. /Init/Default changes the first wallpaper and /PreSession/Default changes after the gdm
[20:50] <DanaG> interesting... switching off compiz saves about two watts.
[20:51] <itswhatev> anyone have any problem running "pppd call XXX" ? i get nothing
[20:51] <DanaG> heh, playing music over a bluetooth headset while on battery... that's two "bad things" at once: bluetooth, and keeping hard drive spun up.
[20:52] <natewiebe13> DanaG: do you have autologin enabled?
[20:52] <DanaG> Not right now.
[20:52] <DanaG> But I believe without xsplash, it does go from blank directly to desktop.
[20:53] <natewiebe13> okay
[20:53] <natewiebe13> with the bugreport it said 2 backgrounds?
[20:53] <natewiebe13> warty-final and the users?
[20:53] <DanaG> I changed my gdm login-screen wallpaper itself -- that's what makes it more noticeable.
[20:53] <natewiebe13> same..
[20:54] <natewiebe13> so i changed the grub default files
[20:54] <natewiebe13> (just trying to understand what the bug is about)
[20:54] <DanaG> Try changing the gdm user's wallpaper -- that'll make it especially noticeable.
[20:54] <DanaG> Perhaps it would be good to have the xsplash boot-stage wallpaper be one symlink, the xsplash post-login wallpaper be another symlink, and the gdm user's wallpaper default to point at one or the other.
[20:55] <DanaG> Probably point to the latter.
[20:55] <natewiebe13> okay.. thats what the bug report is saying?
[20:56] <DanaG> Yeah, and sort of about how there's no easy way to set these things.
[20:57] <natewiebe13> okay
[20:57] <DanaG> Could not load image 'warty-final-ubuntu.png'.
[20:57] <DanaG> Fatal error reading PNG image file: Not a PNG file
[20:57] <DanaG> =þ
[20:57] <natewiebe13> karmic is still alpha.. so there isnt normally an easy way
[20:57] <DanaG>  /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png: JPEG image data, JFIF standard 1.01
[20:57] <DanaG> =þ
[20:58] <DanaG> It'd be nice to be able to customize those two stages of xsplash, even if they do default to being the same.
[20:59] <natewiebe13> so the kernel is fixed.. anyone know when its going to show up in the repos?
[21:00] <andresmh> after applying the latest updates i have sreadahead eating 80% of my CPU
[21:00] <andresmh> any ideas?
[21:03] <natewiebe13> how about why they are still doing development on putting the notifications in the middle of the screen?
[21:04] <DanaG> They're crazy; that's all I can think of.
[21:04] <DanaG> And now they've even broken the older gnome-power-manager brightness display, somehow.
[21:05] <natewiebe13> there is an update for 0.9.19
[21:06] <natewiebe13> according to macslow.net: experiment with centering bubbles vertically
[21:06] <cPF> and now suddenly kernel is downgraded to 2.6.30-1 by default... interesting
[21:14] <DanaG> "enforce notification-spam protection" -- well, thank goodness for THAT, at least!
[21:19] <natewiebe13>  anyone know if there is a way to turn of notify-osd until they get it fixed with out removing it?
[21:19] <natewiebe13> *turn off
[21:22] <lamalex> is it too late to propose new packages for universe?
[21:22] <lamalex> oh shit today is feature freeze
[21:22] <lamalex> when does that officially happen?
[21:23] <jussi01> lamalex: undefined time
[21:23] <jussi01> lamalex: and watch the language please
[21:24] <lamalex> sorry
[21:24] <lamalex> is there a doc about how to get something into the NEW queue
[21:27] <jussi01> lamalex: probably best addressed in #ubuntu-motu
[21:27] <lamalex> hm, i actually thought that's where I was..
[21:27] <lamalex> fail
[21:34] <Michalxo_> any new info about this "bug"/feature?
[21:34] <Michalxo_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/419894
[21:39] <Arenlor> Are there any major bugs in Karmic?
[21:40] <Michalxo_> read FAQ on ubuntu karmic alpha 4 web page ;)
[21:44] <andresmh> everytime i insert a USB thumbdrive (I've tried about 5 of them) I get this error: mount: "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb"   http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285483/tmp/screenshot34.png
[21:44] <andresmh> is this a bug with karmic or something on my end?
[21:47] <hggdh> andresmh, I do not have this problem here
[21:48] <Arenlor> I'm already using ext4, so that's no problem. GRUB 2 will be fun to try. It supports booting from ext4 correct?
[21:49] <genii> Arenlor: Works fine here
[21:49] <Arenlor> Great, will upgrade my boot partition as a test then.
[21:50] <Arenlor> Better than anything, I have a bootable thumb drive with 9.04 alt install disk on it ^_^' so not afraid of problems.
[21:50] <andresmh> i cannot even mount cd's
[21:53] <Michalxo> guys, ahve you updated your notifications?
[21:54] <aboSamoor> kernel 2.6.31-8.28 is out and I still can not get it, any explanation ?
[21:54] <Michalxo> daamn, that new notifications are baaad
[21:55] <DanaG>  yeah.
[21:55] <Michalxo> h but mathematics still the same
[21:55] <Michalxo> please post comment here... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/419894
[21:56] <Michalxo> DanaG, they call it a FEATURE
[21:56] <Michalxo> it's rubbish not a feature
[21:58] <Arenlor> It's not a bug, it's a feature!
[21:58] <bucky> i want to use a torrent client to find some random file out on the internets... which should i use
[21:59] <Michalxo> Arenlor, but it;s crap feature
[21:59] <Arenlor> That's not how torrents work
[21:59] <andresmh> when inserting a USB I get an error. I did dmesg | tail and this is what I found: http://pastebin.com/d6a066f2d
[21:59] <Arenlor> Michalxo: It's the basic excuse when a 'bug' like that pops up.
[21:59] <bucky> that's what i thought.. i used to do this but can't remember what i used
[21:59] <andresmh> I've tried different USBs, different sizes and formats (fat, ext4, ext3, etc)
[21:59] <BluesKaj> bucky, torrent clients don't find random files unless they are already wrapped as torrent files
[22:00] <bucky> ic
[22:00] <Arenlor> bucky: What exactly do you want to do?
[22:00] <Michalxo> ae
[22:00] <Michalxo> Arenlor, so you think, that it will be fixed soon? :-/
[22:00] <bucky> Arenlor, see if i can find an old wordperfect deb somewhere
[22:00] <Arenlor> Michalxo: Not now that it's a feature. Unless enough people complain.
[22:01] <Michalxo> noo
[22:01] <Arenlor> bucky, I'd suggest google
[22:01] <Michalxo> it's rubbish
[22:01] <Michalxo> very stupid feature
[22:02] <Michalxo> i'll rather remove whole notifications then using this crap anymore..
[22:04] <bucky> Arenlor, found something tnx
[22:04] <Michalxo> btw anyone who uses new notifications like it??
[22:05] <Michalxo> it's popping up in the MIDDLE of the screen! for god sake..
[22:05] <Arenlor> What version Firefox is in Karmic?
[22:05] <Arenlor> Michalxo: It gets your attention and really notifies you doesn't it?
[22:06] <Michalxo> not in middle of the screen
[22:06] <Michalxo> while typing/reading articles
[22:07] <alankila> the best part about any notification system, I believe, is generally the ability to disable it.
[22:08] <alankila> notifications are annoying. And the more insistent they are, the more annoying they get. The best thing you could do would be to gently -- very slowly and gradually -- flash an icon unless it's an actual emergency that needs immediate attention.
[22:08] <BluesKaj> Arenlor, there's no default FF version in karmic
[22:09] <Arenlor> BluesKaj: What's the default browser then? It had been FF in Jaunty unless I'm confused.
[22:09] <BluesKaj> karmic is till alpha , so i suppose whatever you have installed now is it
[22:10] <BluesKaj> still
[22:10] <BluesKaj> FF3.5 runs fine tho
[22:11] <Arenlor> I will have to upgrade to 3.5 then
[22:11] <eurythmia_> if I were to start contributing as a developer, should I do an "apt-get dist-upgrade" to karmic, or a clean install?
[22:11] <BluesKaj> BBL ... dinner
[22:11] <Arenlor> eurythmia_: I'm not really sure. Maybe both?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> hi
[22:26] <Severian> Has the key to bring up the grub menu changed?  In Karmic, tab does not seem to do anything.
[22:30] <eurythmia_> so, how does the stability of karmic compare to, say, debian SID?
[22:30] <bucky> Severian, ESC  doenst work?
[22:31] <billybigrigger> clear
[22:31] <billybigrigger> close
[22:32] <Severian> bucky, I am not sure.  I can try booting and hitting ESC.
[22:32] <eurythmia_> billybigrigger: close on the less stable, or the more stale side?
[22:32] <eurythmia_> s/stale/stable/
[22:32] <DanaG> hmm, new package: boson.
[22:32] <DanaG> !info boson
[22:32] <DanaG> Too bad the icons in the game are so damn tiny.
[22:33] <bucky> Severian,  maybe add more than 3 seconds to your timeout
[22:33] <BUGabundo> eurythmia_: a bit more unstable
[22:33] <DanaG> Try figuring out what unit you're building, based on a 1cm x 1cm icon.
[22:33] <bucky> Severian, in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:33] <DanaG> Yeah, that's tiny.
[22:33] <Severian> bucky, not for karmic.
[22:34] <bucky> Severian, they did go to grub2  maybe it's different
[22:34] <Severian> bucky, karmic uses grub2 and the config files changed a lot.
[22:34] <BUGabundo> *a LOT*
[22:35] <BUGabundo> hey billybigrigger
[22:35] <billybigrigger1> ola
[22:35] <Innomen> how do i make the alternate cd upgrade instead of flatten?
[22:35] <billybigrigger1> kernel -7 sucks
[22:35] <billybigrigger1> hangs on shutdown :(
[22:35] <Innomen> thats known and will be repaired
[22:35] <Innomen> to my understanding
[22:35] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger mine won't even boot
[22:36] <BUGabundo> Innomen: flatten ?!?
[22:36] <Severian> billybigrigger, I saw a message that -8 is coming soon.  -7 is unusable for me,.
[22:36] <BUGabundo> Severian: +1
[22:36] <Innomen> BUGabundo, wide format erase etc
[22:36] <Innomen> wipe
[22:37] <BUGabundo> humm
[22:37] <Innomen> i want to upgrade apprently the install cd is able to do this i cant see how
[22:37] <billybigrigger1> anyone aware of a google talk client for console?
[22:37] <billybigrigger1> or pidgin like? with gtalk and msn support?
[22:37] <BUGabundo> not sure how Alternate cd works this cycle
[22:37] <eurythmia_> billybigrigger: anything that does jabber
[22:37] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger there are a few
[22:37] <BUGabundo> I just don't recall the name :(
[22:37] <billybigrigger1> ahh
[22:37] <eurythmia_> billybigrigger: check out bitlbee
[22:37] <billybigrigger1> haha
[22:38] <BUGabundo> Innomen: AFAIK once you place the CD it will prompt to be added to sources, and offer upgrade
[22:38] <BUGabundo> 'cause its newer
[22:38] <BUGabundo> but it will miss a *lot *of packages
[22:38] <Innomen> BUGabundo, you're right
[22:38] <BUGabundo> update-manager -d  should do it better
[22:38] <Innomen> thanks man :)
[22:38] <Severian> billybigrigger, irssi is supposed to have a plugin for xmpp support.
[22:38] <Innomen> oh?
[22:38] <Innomen> whats -d do?
[22:38] <billybigrigger1> Severian: oh ya?
[22:38] <billybigrigger1> Severian: i'm in weechat atm
[22:39] <Innomen> distribution?
[22:39] <danbhfive> Innomen: developer
[22:39] <Innomen> oh
[22:39] <BUGabundo> Innomen: devel release
[22:39] <Innomen> i just feed that to the terminal?
[22:39] <BUGabundo> danbhfive: no developer, but devel
[22:40] <BUGabundo> Innomen: yep
[22:40] <Innomen> kewl
[22:40] <Severian> billybigrigger, I saw a reference to it this last weekend.  I setup ubuntu server on a thin client and have no gui.  I plan to look for that plugin, but have not yet.
[22:40] <BUGabundo> please comment ANY 3rd party repo you have on sources, before upgrading
[22:40] <Innomen> ok
[22:40] <Innomen> anything else?
[22:42] <BUGabundo> read techincal over view and release notes
[22:42] <Innomen> can i do this with a usb installer or iso?
[22:42] <Innomen> i dont have any blanks
[22:43] <BUGabundo> Innomen: upgrade???
[22:43] <BUGabundo> you don't need media
[22:44] <BUGabundo> only for fresh installs
[22:44] <Innomen> i have no internet on the machine in question
[22:44] <Innomen> i have the alternate karmic install iso
[22:44] <Innomen> its ony my usb also
[22:44] <Innomen> on
[22:45] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[22:47] <Innomen> so how do i tell it to do its thing?
[22:47] <Severian> Innomen, Are you asking how to upgrade?
[22:48] <Innomen> yes
[22:48] <Innomen> offline from media
[22:48] <Innomen> booting to the media dosent appear to have an upgrade option
[22:48] <Severian> Is your computer currently running Jaunty?
[22:48] <Innomen> yes
[22:48] <Innomen> trhe machine to be updated is i mean
[22:49] <Milos_SD> hi
[22:49] <Milos_SD> I installed Karmic in vbox to test it
[22:49] <Milos_SD> but I can't do shutdown or restart :S
[22:50] <Milos_SD> is there a workaround for that?
[22:50] <Innomen> Severian, so, any ideas?
[22:50] <Severian> I can look up some details, but first.  You know that Karmic is not stable?  It is for testing only now.  I am not putting it down.  This is normal during the alpha testing cycle.
[22:50] <Innomen> yea i have everything backed up
[22:51] <Innomen> trying to make a dlink card work
[22:51] <Innomen> apprenlty it works oob under 9.1
[22:51] <Innomen> i must try
[22:51] <Innomen> i been at this all night
[22:52] <Innomen> am i like the only one ever to have to update a machine thaqt cant connect to the net?
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Innomen: then upgrading to a devel veriosn is not the soluion
[22:52] <Innomen> BUGabundo,  dude
[22:52] <BUGabundo> you need newer kernel, and you can get that from mainline PPA
[22:52] <Innomen> assume it is please, humor mwe
[22:52] <Milos_SD> how can I make xsplash work ?
[22:52] <Innomen> all night i said i've done all sorts of shit
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Milos_SD: kernel .27 is broken, get a lower version
[22:52] <Severian> From terminal prompt, type these three commands 1. sudo apt-get update  2. sudo apt-get install update-manager 3. sudo update-manager -d
[22:52] <Milos_SD> it is updated but I don't have a new xsplash screen
[22:52] <Innomen> includeing updateing the kernal
[22:52] <Innomen> Severian, offline
[22:53] <BUGabundo> Innomen: to kernel ppa??
[22:53] <Innomen> machine doed not have inet
[22:53] <Innomen> 020630rc3
[22:54] <BUGabundo> Innomen: have you tried to upgrade to kernel ppa, in mainline???
[22:55] <Innomen> explain
[22:56] <billybigrigger> why are notifications half way down the side of the screen now?
[22:57] <Milos_SD> lol... now gdm screen is so tin :S
[23:00] <bucky> Severian, i google and it said to go into cli mode with the c key and search http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1115512.html
[23:00] <bucky> you'd think there'd be an easier way
[23:02] <Severian> bucky, is your system not booting anymore?  I am not sure why you told me that.  Is it related to my question above?
[23:03] <bucky> Severian, maybe you can just change hiddenmenu to menu  ...is that the option?  no, i have a single boot machine that works but i haven't gotten into the menu myself
[23:03] <bucky> i'll try the boot menu option
[23:05] <Severian> bucky, The simple solution I found was to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg   I changed the line that said set timeout=0 to say 5 instead of 0.  Then, tab worked.  The real answer is to edit /etc/default/grub, but I don't know for sure which line to change.
[23:06] <billybigrigger> anyone know how to force chromium to open deluge instead of transmission?
[23:07] <Michalxo> Arenlor, haha! changed the source code and fixed it! :D
[23:07] <Michalxo> better then removing whole notifications :)
[23:08] <bucky> Severian, that's good to know... tnx
[23:35] <sparr> i have no audio in flash in firefox, anyone have a fix for that issue?
[23:35] <acicula> unumute sound?
[23:35] <billybigrigger> be lucky you have flash :P
[23:35] <sparr> acicula: sound works in everything else
[23:35] <sparr> acicula: including non-flash things in firefox
[23:35] <acicula> iunno
[23:36]  * acicula iswatching flash on karmic-current
[23:36] <sparr> i know you don't know, i'm just wasting time replying to your unhelpful comment
[23:36] <acicula> it is helpfull
[23:36] <acicula> just not for your particular situation evidently
[23:38] <acicula> only thing i can think of is making sure you dont have sound deamons running, are you on a clean install or upgrade install?
[23:43] <keanu> is there any known bug involving a few CSS issues with firefox on karmic?
[23:43] <bjsnider> keanu, what issues?
[23:44] <blackest_knight> anyone know why pulse audio seems to require lots of cpu time
[23:44] <acicula> it's a software audio mixer
[23:45] <acicula> shouldnt grab more then a few percent i think though
[23:45] <blackest_knight> its not doing anythin with audio and taking 2/3rds of my cpu
[23:45] <acicula> that's abit much
[23:46] <blackest_knight> its almost as bad as evolution a cpl of years back
[23:46] <acicula> iunno probably get's stuck somewhere, did you check launchpad for similar bugs?
[23:47] <blackest_knight> not yet to be honest it gave me some packages to upgrade yesterday and i'm still trying to recover
[23:47] <blackest_knight> the new nvidia driver was quite something
[23:48] <blackest_knight> well if it actually installed nvidia.ko it miht have been
[23:49] <blackest_knight> then no kernel headers for my kernel, i really shouldnt play with prerelease software
[23:50] <acicula> probably
[23:50] <acicula> it broke my gsm broadband :P
[23:50] <blackest_knight> maybe I should do an over the top install of alpha4 i think it went it on as alpha3
[23:50] <sparr> why would skype think my default audio device is "bluetooth"??
[23:50] <blackest_knight> snap
[23:51] <xgpt> hello everyone, where can I download a FULL iso NOT a netboot image of karmic?
[23:51] <blackest_knight> acicula: i think the first kernel was ok with gsm
[23:51] <sparr> xgpt: one may not have been made yet?
[23:51] <acicula> blackest_knight: i lost count
[23:51] <keanu> bjsnider, there's a web app called rutorrent that i'm testing, and on karmic, it appears as http://imgur.com/KgLtP.png
[23:52] <hggdh> xgpt, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[23:52] <keanu> mainly, the side 'edges' of the general/files/etc tabs extend past the horizontal line, and the width of the "rTorrent settings" "window" appears to be shorter
[23:52] <blackest_knight> its not so bad if its just one system relying on it but I use that Pc to distribute the gsm round the place several people wanting to know why internet wasnt workin
[23:52] <xgpt> so should I just do a fresh install of 9.04 and then install the upgrades?
[23:52] <BUGabundo> !daily | xgpt
[23:52] <keanu> however, in jaunty, it appears normally - http://imgur.com/T1ExZ.png
[23:52] <hggdh> now this is up to you.
[23:53] <greg-g> has anyone else been having issues with flash where it won't recognize mouse clicks on sites like youtube? (ie: I can't pause/enlarge/seek in a video)
[23:54] <xgpt> hanks
[23:54] <xgpt> thanks
[23:55] <BUGabundo> greg-g: me
[23:55] <BUGabundo> I filed it upstream
[23:55] <BUGabundo> greg-g: but seems much better now
[23:57] <sparr> I restarted pulseaudio and now on the gnome sound preferences app, under Applications, I see Skype when it is playing audio, and another Skype when it should be recording, but the entries flash off and on and i hear the audio cut in and out when it flashes.  help?
[23:57] <keanu> bjsnider, what i find odd though is even when using an older version of firefox (say, 3.0) on karmic it still has the problem, but both 3.0 and 3.5 on jaunty are fine
[23:57] <BUGabundo> linux-headers-2.6.31-8-generic
[23:57] <BUGabundo> so we already have .8 ready??
[23:58] <bjsnider> keanu, i've encountered issues like this with 3.5 when the system font size is higher than usual
[23:58] <blackest_knight> sparr:  your having pulse problems too?
[23:58] <sparr> blackest_knight: yes!  started with silent flash in firefox, but now im noticing other issues
[23:58] <blackest_knight> sparr:  does this seem related http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7850330#post7850330