[00:00] yeah [00:00] what do i need to make the partition as? [00:00] ext{2,3,4}? [00:00] bootable? [00:00] ext4 [00:02] odd [00:02] those liveusb install instructions had me copy the contents of the .iso to a fat32 drive and install syslinux onto it [00:05] let's try this out [00:05] brb [00:07] I'm looking for some kind of automount/autoumount for smb shares. Means I'd like to mount a smb share whenever it's available and umount it automatically when I disconnect the network. Any hint? [00:10] unetbootin doesn't overwrite mbr on the flash disk eh? [00:13] no idea [00:13] you tell us [00:14] no i don't think so [00:14] BUGabundo: how do i totally zero a disk? [00:14] clear mbr and everything on it? [00:14] dd [00:14] i can do that with dd i think but i don't know how [00:14] ahh i was right :P [00:15] man dd [00:15] dd if=/dev/null of=/fried/chicken [00:15] :-O tinycore doesn't come with dd [00:15] ffs [00:15] billybigrigger: Zomg! [00:15] isn't that part of coretutils or something [00:15] zero [00:16] not null [00:17] Pulseaudio stopped working after a "partial upgrade" [00:17] And I am severely pissed off [00:17] BUGabundo: Ah, true that. [00:17] >.< [00:18] Can anyone help? [00:18] green_bowl: how told you do do Partial?? [00:18] darn it!!! [00:18] The Update Manager [00:18] use aptitute safe-upgrade [00:18] * arand wonders if the given command dd if=/dev/null is the way to reclaim bits-in-the-bucket? [00:18] it should help fix [00:19] green_bowl: never do partial upgrades [00:19] green_bowl: UM doesn't tell you too. it just offers an options [00:19] well [00:19] billybigrigger: I won't from now on. [00:19] some times you got tooo [00:19] iirc there is a pretty hefty warning in UM for doing partial upgrades is there not? [00:20] but today is a bad day [00:20] I probably should just stay quiet, but when did pulseaudio start working? :P [00:20] it will remove lost of stuff [00:20] *stop? [00:20] Stopped working after I partially upgraded [00:20] Hirato varies for ppl [00:20] I'm doing aptitude safe-upgrade right now, hopefully that will fix it [00:20] BUGabundo: remember the bug you filed before, it *does* tell you to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/373006 [00:20] Launchpad bug 373006 in update-manager "Update-manager should not incentivate to do Partial Updates" [Undecided,New] [00:20] If not, I will just resort back to esound [00:20] arand: that's ONE YEAR old [00:21] Also what happened to 9.04's sound control with the different channels and so-forth? [00:21] it brings me back to a much earlier complaint, why is KDE dependant on libpulse0? [00:21] This sound controller just sucks. [00:21] green_bowl: please don't [00:21] any tips for wireless i keep losing my connection using wicd now [00:21] green_bowl: use pavucontrol [00:21] I will if safe-upgrade doesn't work [00:21] the only application I've found that actually depends on any of the libpulse stuff was mplayer [00:23] Hurray! [00:23] safe-upgrade fixed it [00:23] hey green fix my wireless problem [00:23] see? [00:23] what do I always say? [00:23] aptitude rulz [00:23] @carl__: What's wrong? [00:23] carl__: what kernel? [00:23] what card? [00:23] Actually... nvm [00:24] No way I can help anyone fix Ubuntu, I'm better left to helping Windows noobs [00:24] LOL [00:24] i did the kubuntu but went from kubuntu to svn plasma since i have a netbook [00:25] n using wicd now but i keep losing my wireless connection [00:25] carl__, what's your hardware? [00:25] carl__: there's a kubuntu NR [00:25] msi u100 realtrek 187se [00:26] have you looked in launchoad [00:26] no [00:27] liked kubuntu netbook but knetwork would not connect saw in forums about wicd installed it [00:27] kopte would not connect with yahoo for me so went got pidgin [00:28] kopete [00:30] me next: KDE 4.3 renders borders and panels with corruption when compositing is off on my laptop (IBM thinkpad T42) http://i29.tinypic.com/2a5m3oo.png [00:30] carl__, you sure you have a Realtek RTL8187 and not a RT2860 ? [00:30] did the upgrades now kpackagekit says aptbackend.py closed [00:31] jaunty is supposed to support RTL8187 [00:32] it shows my network just some reason i lose my connection all the time [00:32] yes that is what it says on the back [00:32] 8187se [00:32] carl__, you need to apt-get the linux-backports-modules for your kernel [00:33] apt-cache search linux-backports-modules [00:34] did that now what bucky [00:35] carl__, i don't have wireless but you need to load the right drivers and set it up prolly in the menus [00:35] k [00:36] how do i get dd to print stats? [00:37] send a sig kill [00:37] RTFM [00:37] manpages.ubuntu.com [00:37] just saw that at the end thanks [00:37] of man page [00:54] ok i installed karmic daily live to a usb disk with unetbootin, and now extlinux can't find the linux image [00:59] is skype crashing for anyone else? I'm just curious if it's me or something to do with the pulse upgrade in karmic that broke it [01:00] skype hasn't been crashing... [01:00] but it's been getting weird ASLA errors for me [01:00] billybigrigger: reformat and install again? I've bumped into similar I think... [01:00] arand, well according to unetbootin's page, the partition has to be fat32 [01:01] someone in here told me ext4 :P [01:01] RagnarokAngel: like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/260116/ mine opens, then crashes right away [01:01] I get this error from skype: RtApiAlsa: underrun detected. [01:01] billybigrigger: I think that if you just leave it unpartitioned it will make an appropriate partition.. [01:02] arand, it needs to be mounted before it will do anything to the disk [01:02] need to have a created partition to mount it :P [01:02] burner: whoah, no nothing that bad. I'm getting serious audio issues, but not a full crash. You should probably report that somewhere... [01:03] billybigrigger: right... I blame half a year of not using unetbootin. [01:03] hrm... tha'ts the question... i wonder where to report it being that skype is all closed source and not in launchpad [01:03] arand, haha [01:03] burner: report an ALSA and a GTK bug? [01:04] RagnarokAngel: are you 32-bit? [01:04] burner: yep, 32-bit [01:04] i bet it's a 64-bit specific issue [01:04] burner: oh, that's possible. [01:05] burner: is there any dev at all going on for skype4linux? [01:05] none that is out in the open [01:06] burner: it's really pathetic on skype's side.... [01:06] thanks for the help RagnarokAngel... by figuring out the 64-bit thing... it led me to the forums and a possible workaround :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7829749 [01:07] I'm having issues with empathy and voice/webcam calls.... [01:07] burner: glad I could help, in any way at all [01:08] i haven't tried empathy's voice/webcam stuff yet... or pidgin's [01:08] I can't even find a version of pidgin that's been packaged correctly for voice/video [01:09] burner: it detects that I have voice and video capabilities [01:09] but whenever I try and connect to someone it auto-ends whenever I try to connect [01:09] I haven't tried connecting to anyone who is running empathy though... [01:10] aww... i was going to help test [01:11] hmmmm [01:11] hi [01:11] I'm getting something about mission control not running? [01:11] wanna test empathy? i have it [01:11] burner: yeah. what's your handle? [01:12] xburnerx@gmail.com [01:12] grr.. my alt+f2 doesn't work... oh well, i'm on empathy [01:12] jabber is supposed to do the voice/video too right? i have a jabber acccount as well [01:13] anything xmpp should work [01:13] getting a call? [01:13] nope [01:13] well [01:13] lol [01:13] that's actually better than everything I've tried so far XD [01:14] cause it didn't crash? :) [01:14] no because it didn't automatically close the call as soon as I tried.... [01:14] what's your jabber handle, see if that works any better [01:14] now if it would only let me know you called [01:14] dburanen@jabber.org [01:15] allegedly it's calling [01:15] hmm [01:15] nothing here [01:15] terminal is giving me an empathy-warning though [01:15] I'll pastebin everything since empathy started.... [01:16] i could call you... handle? [01:16] RagnarokAngel.s@gmail.com [01:16] * arand likes how they removed one useful thing from the notification area, only to add four useless things >.< [01:17] anything? [01:17] nada [01:17] so here's the pastebin of the excursion according to empathy http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m4e39b53b [01:18] i was getting all that MC stuff, but none of hte warnings [01:18] excellent, so the audio issues must be specific to my system... [01:18] because both of those warnings were when I tried placing calls.... [01:18] however my brother on gtalk tried calling me [01:18] and I at least *get* the call [01:18] but it drops instantly [01:19] progress :) [01:19] lol [01:19] grr, pulseaudio still doesn't offer surround sound on my usb sound card. [01:19] grr... pulseaudios notification area icon means i can't maximize fitt's law and move to the bottom right corner for audio anymore :\ [01:20] That's not Pulseaudio specifically... that's the Ubuntu devs deciding to disable the old mixer applet. [01:20] yeah... just had to use your comment as a segue to bitch [01:20] lol [01:22] On the subject of audio-woes. Seems like new sound thingamabob only picks up my built-in mic, not externally connected ones, which worked in jaunty... [01:22] my bluetooth headset pairs just fine and doesn't interface with pulseaudio [01:22] i'm rockin a usb connected headset currently in karmic [01:22] my bluetooth has never worked [01:23] burner: there's a bug report that has been solved back in 7.10 that specifically states *my* headset worked with ubuntu [01:23] hooooray regression! [01:23] i doubt it actually worked... pulse + bluetooth has been sketchy with 5+ headsets I tried [01:23] bug got solved at least... [01:23] so [01:24] fair enough [01:24] pulse isn't even seeing my headset... but it's paired just fine according to blueman [01:24] and yes, I have blueman's pulseaudio plugin turned on [01:28] weird... my version of blueman no longer even shows a "plugins" menu anywhere. [01:29] DanaG: not in the about menu? [01:29] DanaG: which is the weirdest place *ever* to put plugins.... [01:29] no wonder I couldn't find it. [01:29] lol [01:29] you're welcome [01:29] I found it accidently [01:30] wow, that's a HORRIBLE place for such a menu. [01:30] lol, I know! And for some reason the pulse plugin was turned OFF by default [01:30] so I thought [01:30] hey, if I turn this on it should magic fix! [01:30] nope. [01:31] epic fail blueman. [01:31] hmm, check pavucontrol... I think bluetooth devices default to profile "disabled", for some reason. [01:33] Oh, apparently the setting ti enable my external mic was hidden away from the current sound applet, alsamixer shows them a-okay though, meh [01:34] ugh, and pulseaudio can't control the volume of my usb soundcard. [01:34] what's that DanaG? I don't even get another device to show up when I pair my headest... or at least not the last time which was what, a few days ago... [01:37] hmm, and you've manually selected "connect to a2dp service"? [01:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/412598 [01:39] grr! [01:39] Launchpad bug 412598 in xsplash "Xsplash only uses the default wallpaper during transition to desktop." [Undecided,Won't fix] [01:40] DanaG: um.... No, It's set up as a headset profile (whatever that means) -- how could I manually set it up as a2dp? [01:42] hmm, right-click on the device in blueman-manager, and see what pops up. [01:44] oh, and what's with the ugly jiggling line on xsplash? [01:45] Hmm, add/rem apps was added to admin menu... [01:47] hum. Where in bloody hell is my FUSA? [01:48] DanaG: when I get it paired my options in blueman are connect to input, connect to headset.... [01:48] ah, must not be a BT stereo capable thingy. [01:51] I've added comments to that bug report. [01:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/412598 [01:51] Launchpad bug 412598 in xsplash "Xsplash only uses the default wallpaper during transition to desktop." [Undecided,Won't fix] [01:55] oh yeah, sorry for sudden topic change. =þ [01:56] won't fix xsplash... that's unfortunate [01:58] Hardcoding paths == bad. [01:58] They should at least make it an 'alternative', or something. [01:58] Current behavior: usplash -> xsplash (brown) -> gdm (blue) -> xsplash (brown) -> gdm (blue) -> user-desktop. [01:58] Better behavior: usplash -> xsplash (brown) -> gdm (blue) -> xsplash (blue) -> user-desktop. [01:58] i like the mockups on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo [01:58] (I'm using blue as an example.) [02:08] ubuntu 9.10 should include the firewall, services, bootloader GUI configuration tools, the ones that come with Fedora [02:08] those are great tools :D === idleone_ is now known as IdleOne [02:27] I am having trouble shutting down my ubuntu machine. the ubuntu line will go the opposite way it does during start up, but then I get stuck at a white blinking line in the upper lefthand corner. [02:31] is anybody in here? [02:33] I'll take that as a no. [02:36] aj_444, that is so vague.... :( === akgraner_ is now known as akgraner [02:56] * [Ramy] is busy with another bugs harvesting mission :) [03:06] Hey everyone..i'm having an issue with grub2. It boots automatically into my ubuntu install..and never displays a menu, so I cannot choose any other OS to boot into. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? I've checked the grub.cfg and all the other OS's are there.. [03:09] did anyone notice the new xsplash ? the animation is really poor :(, but no resizing for the background is really cool [03:09] my computer won't restart is this a common problem for alpha release? [03:11] this channel is dead [03:41] nocturna, you need to change /boot/grub/grub.cfg, and then run update-grub2 [03:45] nocturna, did you press ESC (to show the menu)? [03:57] x1250: It never says to press ESC or anything, it basically just boots ubuntu right off. I don't think I'd have enough time, but I can try the next time I reboot [04:00] on the other hand, it is interesting how many people here expect an immediate response (looking at the backlog) [04:01] I don't expect an immediate response :p [04:02] nocturna, it was not directed at you :-) [04:02] well, people that expect inmediate responses, usually get none hehe. [04:02] Okay so my sound is really messed up. [04:03] I don't get any sound at all outside of Firefox (Swiftfox) [04:03] No boot sound, game sounds, rhythmbox - nothing [04:03] And the volume controls don't work either [04:03] I can move them up and down but they do nothing [04:04] Wait... now NO sound is working after a reboot [04:04] :/ [04:05] greenbowl, what does alsamixer say? is anything muted? [04:06] No [04:07] I just moved a slider on alsamixer and I heard a pop in my headphones [04:07] But that was all that happened... still no sound at all [04:08] greenbowl, just to mention it, plan B is to purge pulseaudio till they fix it. You'll probably be fine with alsa. [04:08] Ok [04:09] So I just purged pulseaudio [04:09] I'll reboot and come back if 9.10 is still being an arse. [04:10] Which, sadly, will probably be the case... that's what I get for wanting to be on the edge of technology I suppose :P [04:10] Rebooting, I'm going to see if hitting escape lets me choose an OS. Brb and ty for the help. [04:13] Sound works [04:13] Any way I can get the sound control back on my task bar without using Pulse Audio? [04:13] Like... is there a PA alternative? [04:14] greenbowl, I did a menu element with the command: alsamixer -c 0 [04:14] and if you need to adjust the mic, press tab. [04:15] hey been initializing/testing a 1.5tb drive so i can smak +1 in it, and ive written to the whole drive 4 times and done 3 full/long formats. [04:16] so now i'm scanning for errors with smartctl, would like second opinion: http://paste.ubuntu.com/260141/ [04:19] nippz, looks normal to me. but this is not an expert opinion, just looks similar to what I get with my new HDD. Anyway, those pre-fail and old-age, which I also get, are odd. Third opinion someone? [04:19] x1250 ty; agreed seems odd; ::peers around:: [04:20] x1250 figured i'd give the new stuff the best stuff i got - clocking a q66@3.6 once installed :> [04:24] Does anyone know of a program I can use to control my volume? [04:24] Sort of like pulse audio, but less fail-prone [04:25] alsa has stuff... [04:25] if you jus twant mainline.... [04:25] greenbowl, something like a volume applet? [04:26] I reckon [04:26] Something I can put on a panel [04:26] and can recognize the volume buttons on my comp [04:26] sounds like a keyboard button mapping issue really. [04:30] greenbowl, I don't know, I just use alsamixer from the gnome menu. Maybe there is something out there, if you find something let me know :p [04:31] Okey smoke [04:42] greenbowl: Have you reported a bug about your pulseaudio issues? [04:42] greenbowl: Otherwise you'll have to get an old copy of gnome-applets [04:48] !info gamix [04:48] gamix (source: gamix): Graphical sound mixer for ALSA. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.99.p14.debian1-4ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 38 kB, installed size 196 kB [04:48] not a hotkey thingy, though. [04:49] "pre-fail" is the TYPE of parameter, not the STATE. [04:49] pre-fail means that, if this variable goes bad, it's a sign of upcoming failure. [04:50] mmm, good! thanks [05:11] i think i'm done buying seagate drives [05:12] just had my bios tell me my root disk is bad [05:12] and? :) [05:13] any kubuntu users here? [05:14] Heya.. I have a weird issue. I have a wireless usb keyboard/mouse combo that work fine at the terminal, and to switch terminals, and to switch in and out of X, but are pretty flaky inside of X [05:14] the mouse even works fine at the terminal with gpm [05:14] crdlb: i have 3 seagate drives and they're all less than a year old [05:14] one i've had to rma already [05:14] now this one [05:15] the mouse right now is completely useless under X (although if i plug in an additional wired usb mouse, that works fine) [05:15] is it a good idea to update java? [05:15] any suggestions as to how to begin diagnosing? [05:16] billybigrigger: well, two failures is unlucky, but they do fail [05:25] three failures indicates a curse [05:29] heyas, I got the -7 kernel to boot. [05:30] The issue was one I'd run into before: [05:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/392039 [05:30] Launchpad bug 392039 in fglrx-installer "initramfs scripts hard-coded to load i915; blocks loading fglrx" [Undecided,Confirmed] [05:34] http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3106052.0 [05:38] anyone here have any suggestions on getting my grub restored... [05:38] i don't have a cdrw, just a usb stick [05:38] and im stuck in tinycore linux [05:39] i can't seem to get karmic daily live iso copied to usb drive correctly, or super grub disk... [05:39] since tinycore doesn't have grub to setup SGD properly [05:39] ...i'm running out of ideas === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [05:49] http://pastebin.ca/1544297 So, I updated and upgraded with apt=get in the terminal, it said it kept packages back. So I went back into synaptic and marked all upgrades. It removed 3 packages and installed 40mb worth of other packages. Then I got that. [05:49] Any ideas [05:51] Is GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET what I need to change to have menu of choice no longer hidden? I don't find any documentation for this. [05:51] hmm, check /etc/default/grub? [05:52] why the hell would ctrl+c be linked to "closing" the "changes applied" window? Now I can't copy an error message. :| [05:52] DanaG, that is where the variable appeared. But, it is not documented there. Is it supposed to be? [05:52] Beats me. [05:54] OK, maybe someone here will know. I'd like to be able to boot my system after tomorrows update. I have to go back to the 2.6.31-6 kernel or it won't boot. And, yes I am searching the bug list to see if this is reported somewhere about the new kernel not booting. [05:55] hmm, what's the actual behavior you see? especially try booting without "quiet splash". [05:57] I alread changed the quiet to verbose. The boot consistently hangs at the same spot. The last message is about not being able to load /lib/modules/2.6.31-7-generic/kernel/drivers/crypto/padlock-sha.ko [05:58] The failure to boot started yesterday, but I did not have time to look into it until today. [06:16] Does anyone know what change to make to just /boot/grub/grub.cft to unhide the menu? The procedure about /etc/default/grub won't work, because I can't boot Ubuntu at the moment. So, I have to use a CD boot and edit a file and then reboot koala. [06:17] is it just me or did the new update botch a few files? [06:18] I am having several problems, but I just assume that is normal during alpha testing. For example gedit crashes a lot. But, I can't repeat it reliably. [06:20] The new graphic during login is spiffy, though. [06:20] i just had a couple of them error out on me when i first did the update and had to do a apt-get install -f to fix [06:30] I been having a problem with karmic boot. When it boots it stops at the black screen with the blinking cursor at the very top right. I then press reset and it boots OK. So it takes me 2 tries to get it booted. This just started today. Is there something I should type in at the blinking cursor to continue on? [06:31] top left [06:31] Type "Stop that" [06:31] It won't help, though. [06:31] I wish it was that easy [06:33] I just submitted a bug. It only affects the karmic alpha version of Ubuntu. I don't see where to mark it thus. It is bug 419709. Can anyone advise? [06:33] Launchpad bug 419709 in linux "System does not complete boot process" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419709 [06:35] Should I put a tag of Karmic on it? Is that the right way? [06:36] I would post a bug but I don't have any code stuff to go along with it so I think I'll just lay low and it'll work out in the end [06:41] I had another problem with Gedit text editor. Sometimes when I go to open one on my desktop it opens for a mil second and disappears. I see the white layout but text doesn't have time to load. The workaround is to rename the file then it will open...strange [06:50] Severian I always put Karmic as the first word just to make it stand out from all the other bugs. Its easier to filter through [06:52] sageNsand, The first word in what? The subject, description, tags or something else? [06:53] The subject [06:53] OK, I'll go see if I can modify that. [06:58] Yours would look like Karmic system does not complete boot process [06:59] sageNsand, I changed it to say Karmic does not complete boot process. That should get the idea across. [07:00] For us testing guys that would help in finding just the Karmic bugs without having to open all of them to see what it was about [07:02] night all [07:09] Might wanna' mention the kernel version that fails! [07:11] It is in the description. Should it be in the summary? [07:33] I installed kubuntu-desktop in Karmic, but I was not presented with the option to choose between kdm and gdm, nor do I seem to be able to get it to use gdm now. Is this a bug? Or is there a different way in the new GDM? [08:09] is there anyone else having updates held back, i have 11 of them as it is right now and they are the same 11 i have held back now for the last week. [08:11] see what happens if you change to the Main server in Software Properties [08:12] well im not real concerned about it as it says there is a partial update with it and i wont do that ever again..i think ill just wait for them to let me update them. [08:14] Ive had a cups package held back for a while [08:14] ya that is one of mine as well plus one for kdm and several others. [08:32] oldude67, have you tried a dist-upgrade on the command line? I think that installed all but one of the packages being held back for me. [08:33] keith, no i havent , didnt think about that. let me try and see what it says. [08:33] oldude67, I've never had any trouble trouble with partial upgrades either though. [08:35] i have, so i dont do them anymore, and its letting me install most of them now. lets see what happens. [08:35] The only issue I have had with the latest updates is they sort of broke my user login widget thing on the gnome-panel [08:36] but it seems mostly fixed now [08:36] So... does anyone know how to switch from kdm back to gdm? The usual method isn't working in Karmic... [08:37] dpkg-reconfigure gdm should work [08:37] oldude67, doesn't seem to [08:38] hey, do people have to type in a password to eject dvd's. Because i have to... [08:38] oldude67, it gives no prompt, and says that the changes will take effect after all X sessions are closed. But keeps using kdm no matter what I do. [08:38] nzmm, i have never had too. [08:38] nzmm, nor I [08:38] ok wierd [08:40] oldude67, Are you using Karmic as a primary OS? or for testing? [08:40] its my primary os [08:41] oldude67, so I can see why you would want to be more cautious then. I have mostly just been testing in VirtualBox so far. You might consider installing it to test upgrades or partial upgrades in the future. [08:41] i have, but with my intel stuff i cant really do that as it dont use the video in virtual box. tried it. [08:42] oldude67, Gotcha. In my VM, it seems to be pretty stable and reliable at this point... has that been your experience as well? I am thinking of switching to it as my primary OS. [08:43] the only problem i have had is when i did the partial upgrade and it hosed the system and had to reload it,but i keep all my personal stuff on a flash drive just for that reason. [08:44] but i am also on a desktop with a hard line for my eth0 and dont have to worry about wifi and all of that stuff as well either. [08:45] oldude67, was that earlier in the development? Because I don't trust any upgrades, partial or otherwise in the early releases. That's why I like keeping a separate home partition, and having nightly backups to an external drive. [08:46] oldude67, the only thing that is making me cautious about switching right now is that I am wanting to install kde, but I don't think I really want to use kdm. [08:46] yes that was like in alpha 2 and i think we are now on 5 [08:46] oldude67, I find the updates get fairly reliable around 3, and the distro gets usable as a primary os around 4 or 5. [08:46] that is all i usually run as i dont care for gnome that well. [08:47] oldude67, I always give kde a shot, but always end up back with gnome. :\ [08:47] oldude67, I really like a lot of things about it, but I think I don't give it enough of a chance when I run into something I can easily do in gnome. [08:47] i would probably use xfce before i would gnome any more. [08:48] why do you dislike gnome vs. kde? [08:49] just my preference really, i got so use to using kde with slackware that when i switched to ubuntu i didnt like the gnome desktop. [08:50] oldude67, yeah... the thing that frustrated me most recently was I couldn't find a way to browse the network in kde easily. Are you aware of a way? [08:50] oldude67, I found references that told how, but it didn't seem to exist in Karmic when I looked for the same things. [08:51] ah yeah gnome does seem to have more for the network then kde does, i will give it that... [08:52] oldude67, there are a lot of little things that I liked about gnome more... like, when you tried playing a video that it didn't have a codec for, totem will ask if you want it to search. dragon (I think?) just didn't play the video. [08:52] I've got a problem where atop randomly takes up 96% of the cpu, I can barely write this message [08:53] gonna try to reboot [08:54] ripps, what does atop do? [08:54] performance monitor? [08:54] http://freshmeat.net/projects/atop/ [08:55] ah you mean like in htop hmm i dont know i just run gkrellm [08:58] keith, thanks for reminding me about the dist-upgrade i got all but 1 upgrade so thats cool [09:01]