[00:15] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: i received no e-mail yet from you. was i supposed to?
[00:33] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, sorry, ended up forgetting -- had to fight insomnia ;-)
[00:33]  * bcurtiswx feeds hggdh some caffeine pills
[00:37] <hggdh> need it. I never, ever, could sleep well when traveling alone (i.e., work). Since I travel a *whole* lot...
[00:38] <bcurtiswx> next time you're in DC lemme know. :(
[00:38] <bcurtiswx> :)*
[00:41] <bdmurray> hggdh: did the removed packages output look useful?
[00:42] <micahg> or Chicago :)
[00:43] <bdmurray> well Portland too then!
[00:45] <bcurtiswx> Portland, ME ? or Portland, OR ?
[00:45] <bdmurray> the latter
[00:45] <bcurtiswx> cool, if Portland, ME i was gonna talk hockey with you... but nvm :P
[00:53] <hggdh> bdmurray, sorry, yes, it did. I am now thinking on how to best present it
[00:54] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, strangle enough, DC is usually only once per year... (I am talking about the metroplex, of course)
[00:54] <hggdh> and Chicago... about twice per year.
[00:54] <hggdh> And I will be happy to call on you all next time ;-)
[00:55] <hggdh> bdmurray, I thought you lived on the east coast
[00:56] <hggdh> and Portland, of course. Home of The BugMeister :-D
[00:56] <hggdh> but... last time I was in Portland I got lost, and only found I was lost on when I figured I was going back to California
[00:57] <hggdh> already on the highway
[00:59] <bcurtiswx> lol
[01:02] <hggdh> it is a long story, and only funny now. It involves a GPS, battery low, an accident on the road, and a car in front of me that looked like they knew where they were going
[01:03] <hggdh> they did, in fact. Unfortunately, they were going to *their* home. Not *my* hotel. Not even near. I followed them up to the garage door
[01:09] <bcurtiswx> i think the only person to blame is yourself on that one :P
[01:10] <bdmurray> hggdh: would you be interested in the code or the results? it took quite a while to run the query
[01:26] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: how hard would it be to have ubuntu install telepathy-idle default with empathy?
[01:29] <bcurtiswx> moving IRC accounts from pidgin to empathy without idle installed is a bad idea
[01:30] <bcurtiswx> and since it offers it (even without idle installed) i think that may be a good idea for karmic
[01:40] <hggdh> bdmurray, the code, if you do not mind. Then I can adjust it to produce linkable output for the wiki
[01:40] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, you would have to ask (i.e., open a workflow request) for it to be included in main
[01:41] <bcurtiswx> ooh, i've never done this before
[01:44] <hggdh> it will be a Main Inclusion Request -- see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements
[01:44] <hggdh> there is always the first time ;-)
[01:54] <bcurtiswx> what type of bugs go into linux-meta ?
[02:02] <hggdh> that's a good question, I do not know. I *think* linux-meta is just a series of depends. Easiest way to find is to download the source package and check
[02:02] <hggdh> pull-lp-source linux-meta
[02:03] <Laibsch1> anybody have an idea what I could try to do about bug 334957?
[02:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 334957 in linux "Mouse begins to drift left under heavy wifi load (shared IRQ problem?)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334957
[02:03] <bcurtiswx> hmm, request a screencast maybe ?
[02:04] <bcurtiswx> other than that IDK
[02:05] <hggdh> Laibsch1, I am not sure, it's a long time I am out of kernel.
[02:05] <hggdh> Laibsch1, you may try asking at #ubuntu-kernel (or ogasawara)
[02:05] <Laibsch1> hggdh: I tried building a vanilla kernel for testing.  I don't know how to build an initrd, though
[02:06] <Laibsch1> I need that initrd because my fstab uses LABELs to find partitions
[02:06] <hggdh> Laibsch1, you can try one of the mainline kernels in the kernel PPA
[02:06] <Laibsch1> Thanks
[02:06] <Laibsch1> I was unaware of that
[02:06] <Laibsch1> They are unpatched?
[02:06] <hggdh> you know where to find them?
[02:06] <Laibsch1> I'll find them
[02:06] <hggdh> they are mainline, no Ubuntu patches
[02:06] <Laibsch1> Or I'll come back
[02:06] <Laibsch1> nice
[02:06] <hggdh> :-)
[02:07] <Laibsch1> I should have known that earlier
[02:07] <hggdh> we'll be here
[02:07] <hggdh> also -- if I remember correctly, the kernel build scripts should take care of building initrd
[02:09] <hggdh> Laibsch1, it should be kernel-package
[02:09] <Laibsch1> make-kpkg didn't do that
[02:09] <Laibsch1> It built the kernel fine, but no initrd
[02:10] <hggdh> I do not remember anymore... I used to build kernels before getting to Ubuntu, here I only had to patch my kernel twice
[02:14] <Laibsch1> ubuntu makes it too easy, doesn't it?
[02:14] <Laibsch1> :-D
[02:14] <hggdh> :-) yeah, I think it does
[02:18] <micahg> Laibsch: I prefer to think of it as freeing up time for what you want to do vs what you have to fo
[02:18] <micahg> *do
[02:21] <Laibsch> I'm not complaining
[02:22] <hggdh> I know
[02:31] <bcurtiswx> bug 418244
[02:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 418244 in empathy "Error connecting to the Yahoo network" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418244
[02:31] <bcurtiswx> someone can't connect to yahoo im guessing because their network stuff changed (EMPATHY BUG)
[02:32] <bcurtiswx> it works now (in karmic) but im not sure it got fixed in jaunty
[02:32] <bcurtiswx> would I turn this into a backport request?
[02:34] <bcurtiswx> i know the actual package effected is telepathy-haze
[02:34] <bcurtiswx> i can change that once I find out what to do with the bug
[02:36] <bcurtiswx> anyone...
[02:36] <micahg> no
[02:37] <micahg> it was fixed in pidgin, so it could be fixed in empathy
[02:37] <micahg> is it in universe or main?
[02:37] <micahg> on Jaunty?
[02:37] <micahg> well
[02:37] <bcurtiswx> jaunty haze is in universe
[02:37] <micahg> I should preface that
[02:37] <hggdh> it is possible, bcurtiswx
[02:37] <micahg> it depends :)
[02:37]  * micahg is too quick to talk
[02:37] <micahg> if it's a simple fix, then yes
[02:38] <micahg> if not, no
[02:38] <micahg> but universe is community supported
[02:38] <micahg> pidgin is in main
[02:38] <micahg> so I guess it is different
[02:39] <hggdh> but you have to check if -haze backported will need other up-to-date dependencies.
[02:40] <micahg1> if it's for an SRU, then it would need to just be a patch
[02:40] <hggdh> yes. It is probable it can be cherry-picked from GIT
[02:40] <micahg> otherwise, it would need to be a backport
[02:41] <bcurtiswx> well, im completely confused... one of you two mind taking care of it?
[02:41] <micahg> bcurtiswx: what can we clarify?
[02:41] <bcurtiswx> well im not sure what to turn this bug into... a backport request or a bug to fix telepathy-haze in jaunty
[02:42] <hggdh> :-)
[02:42] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, start by finding out what fixed the yahoo change
[02:42] <bcurtiswx> backport would require updates to other packages because of it
[02:42] <hggdh> right now I think it is a bug on jaunty
[02:42] <micahg> look for upstream bug if possible
[02:43] <hggdh> yes. So an initial best bet is a SRU
[02:43] <hggdh> you need to find out which fix resolved it on Karmic
[02:44] <bcurtiswx> it may just be a libpurple update in jaunty
[02:44] <hggdh> it may
[02:44] <micahg> Fix for pidgin: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/1:2.5.5-1ubuntu8.2
[02:44] <hggdh> but the basic question remains: what was changed to fix it?
[02:45] <bcurtiswx> im gonna talk to the telepathy people, see what they say
[02:46] <hggdh> good idea. They probably already know
[06:38] <dholbach> good morning
[06:56] <komputes> dholbach: good morning!
[06:57] <dholbach> hey komputes
[09:57] <szczym> helo, could you please tell me what i could do (im not a programer) to move forward Bug #263442 ?
[09:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 263442 in mc "mcedit is not longer the default editor" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263442
[10:27] <szczym> Any of you have keyboard with multimedia keys (play, stop, mute ect.) ? Could you please test if it works with vlc media player and then comment the bug #419795
[10:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 419795 in vlc "Multimedia keys not working by default in vlc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419795
[10:33] <Alexia> szczym, are you here?
[10:33] <szczym> yes
[10:34] <szczym> official chanel is very busy and its mailny for support
[10:34] <Alexia> Ok im installing vlc now and ill let you know the results
[10:35] <szczym> cool
[10:36] <Alexia> Confirmed
[10:36] <Alexia> it doesnt work at all in vlc
[10:36] <Alexia> I wonder though if thats a vlc bug and not ubuntu?
[10:37] <szczym> thanx alexia, please comment the bug
[10:37] <szczym> i dont know but will find out ;)
[10:47] <szczym> Alexia: if it don`t work for you also, please comment the bug about that. Developers will have more info.
[10:47] <Alexia> szczym, which bug number wsa it again
[10:49] <Alexia> szczym, please tell me the bug # again and i can comment on it
[10:49] <szczym> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/419795
[10:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 419795 in vlc "Multimedia keys not working by default in vlc" [Undecided,New]
[10:53] <Alexia> szczym, i havent ever commented on a bug before what information should i include
[10:55] <szczym> Alexia: maybe like that: it dont work for me also, i have ubuntu _version_ and keyboard _model_, my vlc is from official repository
[11:03] <szczym> alexia: cool, thanx !
[11:04] <szczym> its really annoying for me, i hope to make it fixed some how ;) one day
[12:05] <arand> How and where should a privacy concern about ubuntuone's bug reports, be reported. (I noticed in a recent bug of mine they listed all of my ubuntuone files)
[12:16] <thekorn> arand, there is something like "this report is public" in the top right corner of an existing bugreport, by clicking the yellow pencil button near to it you can set the private flag for this bugreport
[12:16] <thekorn> arand, if you used apport/ubuntu-bug to report this bugreport, this flag is set automatically
[12:17] <thekorn> private bugreports are only visible to their subscribers
[12:18] <thekorn> before removing this flag to make this bug visible to the developers, make sure to remove your private data
[12:19] <arand> thekorn: Indeed I have set it as private, since apport-retrace automatically set it to public (bug?), but I'm thinking that there should be no need for the report to contain this data in this case...
[12:20] <arand> (and I have removed the private part and then reverted back to public)
[12:23] <thekorn> arand, I tend to agree, there is no need to add such private data to a bugreport
[12:23] <thekorn> so I thinkt this is a bug in the ubuntuone package
[12:23] <james_w> it could try and remove the filenames on the user's system before uploading the log
[12:24] <thekorn> they should remove all private data from the log before uploading it
[12:24] <james_w> replace it with FILE1, FILE2 or something so that you can still follow the logic
[12:24] <thekorn> james_w, hi, exactly
[12:24] <james_w> hey thekorn :-)
[12:28] <arand> Yea will try to do that, let's see if I can do some sed magic...
[12:42] <thekorn> arand, it would be cool if there could be a solution in python, so it can be used directly in ubuntuone's apport hook
[12:58] <arand> thekorn: unortunately, my knowledge of python is /dev/zero
[13:00] <thekorn> arand, hehe ok, I think the first step to fix it is to create a bugreport against the ubuntuone package and ask for replacing filestrings with something usefull in the log files
[13:01] <thekorn> and actually adjusting the apport hook to fix it should only be a few lines of regex magic
[13:02] <Trijntje> Hi all, noob question here: I filed a bug, and now someone asks me the following: "thanks for the report, please attach an example to the report." What does he want me to do?
[13:04] <thekorn> Trijntje, that depends on the situation,can you please give me the bug id?
[13:04] <Trijntje> thekorn:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/417374
[13:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 417374 in rhythmbox "issue with .wma and crossfade" [Low,Incomplete]
[13:06] <thekorn> Trijntje, I think pedro_  is asking for an wma file which triggers this bug, so others can try to reproduce your bug
[13:07] <thekorn> haha, speaking of the devil ;)
[13:07] <pedro_> what about me? :-)
[13:08] <Trijntje> pedro_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/417374, do you want me to upload a .wma file?
[13:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 417374 in rhythmbox "issue with .wma and crossfade" [Low,Incomplete]
[13:10] <pedro_> Trijntje, yes please, I've testing that with karmic and a wma file here and don't seem to trigger the issue
[13:23] <Trijntje> pedro_: ill upload a .wma file, thanks
[13:24] <pedro_> Trijntje, great, thanks
[13:25] <Trijntje> pedro_: i've also just found out that sometimes when i pause a .wma rhythmbox will segfault
[13:25] <pedro_> Trijntje, that's interesting, could you enable apport and report a bug with it? would be nice to have a backtrace of that
[13:29] <Trijntje> pedro_: ill do that
[14:17] <arand> If apport retracing service sets a bug which should be private to public, is that a bug in apport (ubuntu) ?
[14:21] <thekorn> arand, AFAIK, apport will never do the private -> public switch automatically,
[14:21] <thekorn> do you have an example where this happend?
[14:22] <arand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/419821
[14:22] <ubot4> arand: Error: This bug is private
[14:23] <arand> according to comments, the visibility was changed by apport, as soon as the bug was declared a dupe (I have since edited it, and it is currently NOT private *glares at ubot4)
[14:24] <thekorn> aha,
[14:24] <thekorn> ok, the flag is removed when apport markes the bug as a duplicate of another one
[14:24] <arand> thekorn: seemingly.
[14:25] <thekorn> in this process apport removes all common attachments created by apport,
[14:25] <thekorn> but not the 'random' ones added by a hook
[14:25] <thekorn> which is of course a bug in apport
[14:26]  * arand added apport to the bug report
[14:27]  * arand added apport to the correct bug report ><
[14:29] <thekorn> arand, adding an apport task to this bugreport makes no sense
[14:29] <arand> Hmm, I'm guessing Bug #419895 should be two separate bug reports instead?
[14:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 419895 in ubuntuone-client "ubuntuone bug reports lists possibly private filenames/paths" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419895
[14:30] <thekorn> arand, I agree, one for ubuntuone to not include filenames in the log uploaded to launchpad
[14:31] <thekorn> and one gainst apport to also remove files added by a hook when unmarking a bug as private
[14:45] <arand> thekorn: Ok, how does Bug #419929 look?
[14:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 419929 in apport "Attachments added by a hook become public when bug is marked as a duplicate by retracer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419929
[14:46] <thekorn> arand, good great
[14:50] <thekorn> now it needs some smart people to fix this ;)
[14:54] <arand> thekorn: Yea, guess my involvment ends there ;). Cheers for the help.
[14:56] <thekorn> arand, your welcome. All I wanted to say was: Itried to find a solution for it, but it looks like it is not trivial, so *my* involvment ends here ;)
[15:51] <vanagonman> hi, I'm having trouble getting my usb ports to work on my computer
[15:57] <vanagonman> what package would that I need to report for usb issues?
[16:00] <micahg> vanagonman: if you need help, you can hop in #ubuntu or post a question to https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[16:00] <micahg> if you determine there's a bug, then please come back and we'll help you figure out the package
[16:01] <vanagonman> will do. thank you
[16:01] <micahg> oh, vanagonman, if it's karmic, that'll be #ubuntu+1
[16:19] <matthewgreyling> If I found a bug in Launchpad that is no longer a bug, ie. Bug #33752, what do I do with it?
[16:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 33752 in gnome-screensaver "no possibility to turn off a screen saver after some time" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33752
[16:19] <matthewgreyling> I'm new to the whole bug system.
[16:21] <micahg> matthewgreyling: do you know what version this was fixed it?
[16:22] <matthewgreyling> No clue, I just noticed that it wasn't updated in over 3 years and isn't a problem anymore.
[16:22] <micahg> matthewgreyling: are you using gnome-screensaver vs x-screensaver?
[16:25] <matthewgreyling> Yes.  Under Karmic.
[16:31] <micahg> Ok, you can change status to Fix Released and say that it's for sure fixed on Karmic
[16:32] <micahg> Usually it's good to know which version it's fixed in
[16:37] <matthewgreyling> micahg: okay, thanks.  It's the first bug I've "touched
[16:37] <matthewgreyling> ", so I figured I'd start with an easy one.
[16:38] <micahg> indeed, thank you for helping
[16:38] <micahg> have you seen the wiki documentation yet?
[16:41] <matthewgreyling> I've been slowly working through it.  I just wasn't sure into which category this bug fell.
[16:41] <hggdh> :-)
[16:42] <hggdh> oh, matthewgreyling, thank you for helping (and thank YOU micahg!) :-)
[16:43] <hggdh> BTW, micahg -- the status == 0 thingy
[16:43] <hggdh> wouldn't an error be logged in the FF console?
[16:44] <micahg> hmmm, sometimes
[16:44] <micahg> I saw what you posted
[16:45] <micahg> haven't had time to look into it yet
[16:52] <hggdh> I will start a sniffer trace on this, and see what is exchanged. I also saw your comment upstream (yes, I signed to g.m.o, finally),
[16:52] <hggdh> but I am not sure this is the real cause
[16:54] <micahg> you mean bmo...
[16:59] <hggdh> yes, of course. My bad.
[16:59] <hggdh> Interesting
[16:59] <hggdh> just sniffed a refresh from a bug, and... I am seeing a lot of RST flowing from my laptop to edge.bugs.launchpad.net
[17:00] <micahg> hmmm
[17:00] <micahg> I'm wondering if this is all the same issue or now
[17:00] <micahg> I won't be able to check till tonight
[17:00]  * micahg has to go to work soon
[17:01] <hggdh> no probs. Is there a way to produce debug output on FF?
[17:04] <micahg> hggdh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs?action=show&redirect=DebuggingFirefox#Firefox-3.5
[17:04] <hggdh> thanks, micahg. IOU
[17:06] <AnAnt> could someone confirm this bug please: LP 418477 ?
[17:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 418477 in linux "New kernel causes losetup to hog the system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418477
[17:06] <micahg> nah, np
[17:10] <hggdh> AnAnt, unfortunately, I do not have the time right now. You can try your case on #ubuntu-kernel
[17:17] <AnAnt> hggdh: thanks
[20:30] <slacker_nl> hi, question is this considered a rc-critical bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/417508
[20:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 417508 in linux-meta "[karmic] Unable to use USB storage devices on 2.6.31 kernels" [Undecided,New]
[20:34] <micahg> slacker_nl: well, there needs to be confirmation
[20:34] <micahg> you might want to check in #ubuntu-kernel
[20:34] <slacker_nl> micahg: k, thnx
[20:34] <thekorn> hi slacker_nl, you are the reporter of this zsh, bug, aren't you?
[20:34] <slacker_nl> i can confirm it ;)
[20:34]  * thekorn looks for the bugnumber
[20:34] <slacker_nl> thekorn: yes
[20:35] <thekorn> bug 264644
[20:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 264644 in zsh "zsh autocompletion not working correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/264644
[20:35] <slacker_nl> i just made a comment
[20:35] <thekorn> yes, just read your mail
[20:35] <slacker_nl> thekorn: for an LTS release i find the comment, upgrade to jaunty a bit disappointing
[20:35] <thekorn> slacker_nl, are you running karmic now
[20:35] <slacker_nl> thekorn: also
[20:35] <slacker_nl> have a server running .04
[20:35] <slacker_nl> hardy that is
[20:36] <thekorn> slacker_nl, can you try the zsh on karmic and check if it works there
[20:36] <thekorn> slacker_nl, if so, we can file a backport request for the fix
[20:36] <slacker_nl> thekorn: same zsh profile, need to check if i disabled the juinkiy quotes
[20:37] <slacker_nl> enabled them and not getting the errors i reported
[20:38] <slacker_nl> karmic is running .10 and the bug got fixed in .9
[20:38] <bdmurray> I'm unable to recreate the kernel bug w/ 2.6.31-6
[20:38] <slacker_nl> bdmurray: the failure to shutdown?
[20:38] <slacker_nl> ahh, the USB device bug
[20:39] <bdmurray> yes, that one
[20:39] <slacker_nl> i'm going to test it tomorrow with jaunty
[20:39] <slacker_nl> see how that kernel behaves
[20:40] <slacker_nl> i have two of those disks, pretty irritating that I can't mount them in karmic
[20:41] <bdmurray> two of what disks?
[20:41] <slacker_nl> the external disks that file
[20:41] <slacker_nl> fail
[20:42] <bdmurray> I didn't see any clear indication as to the make or model of the disk.
[20:42] <slacker_nl> i believe i posted lshw output of these disks
[20:43] <bdmurray> ah, it might be helpful to update the summary with type of disk then since it isn't all usb storage devices
[20:43] <slacker_nl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/417508/comments/1
[20:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 417508 in linux-meta "[karmic] Unable to use USB storage devices on 2.6.31 kernels" [Undecided,New]
[20:44] <slacker_nl> added
[20:46] <slacker_nl> gtg
[20:48] <billybigrigger> anyone having problems with ubuntu one?
[20:49] <billybigrigger> specifically on boot, ubuntuone-syncdaemon spawns a buttload of instances and bogs me down completely
[20:51] <thekorn> slacker_nl, as far as I understand things your usb drive bug could be a duplicate of bug 387161
[20:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 387161 in libatasmart "External SATA->USB Drive gives lots of USB resets on ATA smart probing" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387161
[21:15] <philsf> Hello. May I ask for some attention to bug #13983? It has a patch available, and I'd like to know if there's any chance that this patch will make it into Karmic, preferably before Beta
[21:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 13983 in evolution "Evolution virtual trash / "real" trash on IMAP server" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13983
[21:22] <pedro_> philsf, only if upstream accept it , it's not really a high priority bug
[21:23] <philsf> pedro_, that's the problem, actually. It's annoying, but not high priority, also not a papercut :)
[21:23] <philsf> right in the middle ground
[21:23] <pedro_> not everything is a papercut :-)
[21:24] <pedro_> philsf, talk to the upstream maintainers to have that included in the next release of evolution, that's the best way for now
[21:24] <philsf> pedro_, do you happen to know when it's their next release?
[21:27] <pedro_> philsf, September 07 is the next release of Gnome (2.27.92) so probably during that time
[21:29] <philsf> gracias, pedro_
[21:30] <pedro_> philsf, por nada
[21:49] <slacker_nl> thekorn: lemme have a look
[21:51] <slacker_nl> thekorn: think it is a dupe indeed
[21:59] <thekorn> slacker_nl, super,
[21:59] <thekorn> now it would be awesome I you could help debugging this issue
[21:59] <thekorn> *if
[22:00] <thekorn> by following the steps mentioned in the comments by martin pitt
[23:49] <eltoozero> Quick question about what package to report a bug on, specifically the bluetooth status indicator.
[23:50] <eltoozero> if it's bluez, gnome-bluetooth, or what.