| chrisccoulson | but yeah, there is also hardcoded paths in yelp too (and all the omf files have a hardcoded path as well) | 00:01 |
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| rickspencer3_ | robert_ancell, good morning | 00:10 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3_, hi rick | 00:10 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell: kenvandine: now that the session menu is in, should we not clean up the system menu? | 00:35 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, ? | 00:36 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 00:36 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell: never mind | 00:36 |
| rickspencer3 | I'll follow up next week | 00:37 |
| rickspencer3 | but we shouldn't have all the shutdown options in the session menu and the system menu | 00:37 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, is the session menu the fusa? | 00:37 |
| rickspencer3 | yes, what was until so recently called the fus | 00:39 |
| rickspencer3 | fusa | 00:39 |
| TheMuso | What calls xsplash? | 00:47 |
| TheMuso | And is there a way for the caller of xsplash to be told what images to use, now that xsplash supports command-line flags to tell it what images to use? | 00:48 |
| chrisccoulson | TheMuso - it's called from a GDM script | 01:11 |
| TheMuso | chrisccoulson: Yeah just found it. | 01:14 |
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| superm1 | bryce, i try to not use p.u.c since it's never in sync for a dev release. always refer to launchpad | 03:09 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Afaik libcanberra is not covered by the GNOME freeze exception. | 06:30 |
| TheMuso | So it will nee an FFE. | 06:30 |
| TheMuso | need | 06:30 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, ah, ok. Where is the freeze exception specified? | 06:30 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: I put a link in the bug. I replied not yet knowing that you assigned it to me. :) | 06:31 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, I was about to do it and then saw you tend to make that release | 06:31 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: again as I said in the bug, I think we're better off pulling any important patches we need from trunk. 0.16 also introduces a new symbol/API function. | 06:33 |
| TheMuso | So unless a piece of gnome will use that, I think we're better off leaving it for now. | 06:33 |
| robert_ancell | ok | 06:33 |
| TheMuso | On the other hand, the list of changes is quite short, and its only just after FF, so we could still probably get it in rather easily. | 06:34 |
| TheMuso | But I don't see the real need atm. | 06:34 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:38 |
| dholbach | robert_ancell: IIRC gimp is not part of core gnome - it might need an ubuntu-release ACK | 06:39 |
| dholbach | I'll just subscribe them to the bug | 06:40 |
| robert_ancell | dholbach, thanks. Where is the list of what is excepted? | 06:40 |
| dholbach | good question - the core gnome desktop is excepted | 06:40 |
| dholbach | seb128 would know what is and what isn't | 06:40 |
| dholbach | gimp, gthumb - stuff like that isn't | 06:40 |
| dholbach | at least as well as I remember from "back then" :) | 06:41 |
| robert_ancell | are the libraries included or just applications? | 06:41 |
| dholbach | included | 06:41 |
| Amaranth | robert_ancell: afaik if it's in one of the gnome release sets (desktop, platform, bindings, development) and included in the default install it has a FFE | 07:00 |
| Amaranth | not sure for things not in the default install like epiphany | 07:00 |
| robert_ancell | Amaranth: ah, thanks | 07:01 |
| Amaranth | robert_ancell: do you have a way to reproduce bug 153676? | 07:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 153676 in compiz "New windows placed with focus behind fullscreen window" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153676 | 07:01 |
| Amaranth | err, not that one | 07:02 |
| robert_ancell | ... | 07:02 |
| Amaranth | robert_ancell: bug 165161 | 07:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 165161 in compiz "Compiz places transient dialogs behind currently focused window" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165161 | 07:03 |
| robert_ancell | Amaranth: seb128 knows some good ones but you can do it by trying to install software from the software-store | 07:05 |
| Amaranth | oh, that is packaged? | 07:05 |
| robert_ancell | yes | 07:05 |
| Amaranth | robert_ancell: seems it doesn't happen all the time :/ | 07:08 |
| robert_ancell | Amaranth: yes, I see the same thing :( | 07:08 |
| Amaranth | ok, will look at that a bit tomorrow | 07:08 |
| Amaranth | I've only done some little stuff in that area of compiz though | 07:08 |
| robert_ancell | dholbach, can you explain the shlibs setting? I don't think I've been setting them correctly | 07:10 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:10 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: right, /omf/ too; ugh | 07:10 |
| dholbach | robert_ancell: if public interfaces get added you bump the shlibs | 07:10 |
| pitti | hey robert_ancell | 07:11 |
| robert_ancell | and what uses that information? | 07:11 |
| robert_ancell | hey pitti | 07:11 |
| dholbach | robert_ancell: so if something links against the library in a new build the new version information is picked up | 07:11 |
| pitti | dholbach, robert_ancell: just for your interest, symbol files are a bit more modern and precise | 07:11 |
| pitti | (I didn't follow the entire conversation, though) | 07:11 |
| dholbach | pitti: you're right | 07:12 |
| robert_ancell | so should we be migrating shlibs to symbol files? | 07:12 |
| pitti | if you want | 07:12 |
| pitti | old .shlibs files works as well still | 07:12 |
| pitti | but with symbols files the package build will remind you of new symbols | 07:12 |
| dholbach | it makes sense to coordinate that with debian | 07:12 |
| pitti | so it's less guesswork and you are less prone to forget about the shlibs files | 07:12 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: so I'm not saying "we should migrate" for the sake of it, just pointing out that they exist | 07:13 |
| pitti | matter of preference mainly | 07:13 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, I'm just looking for a one true way to do things so I don't have to know two ways :) | 07:13 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: FWIW, I usually prefer symbols files nowadays | 07:14 |
| pitti | since I also always forgot to bump the shlibs files | 07:14 |
| pitti | now lintian checks it for me :) | 07:14 |
| pitti | and dh_shlibdeps can calculate the precise dependencies according to which symbols a package actually uses | 07:14 |
| robert_ancell | sounds good to me | 07:15 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: can you please push your gnome-power-manager upload to bzr? | 07:28 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, there should be a branch on the report - I couldn't upload to the main branch as i'm not in the power team | 07:30 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: oh, we really ought to change the owner | 07:30 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, shall i push it to ~ubuntu-desktop and update the control file? | 07:31 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: hang on, I try to change the existing one | 07:31 |
| robert_ancell | k | 07:31 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: changed; yes, please push now and change Vcs-Bzr: | 07:32 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: stop | 07:33 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: while I'm at it, let's also rename it to "ubuntu" | 07:33 |
| pitti | "trunk" is not really justified IMHO | 07:33 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, and can we change the project name from gnome-power to gnome-power-manager? | 07:33 |
| pitti | Ubuntu Desktop already has a branch for gnome-power called ubuntu | 07:33 |
| pitti | oh, we have? | 07:33 |
| pitti | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-power/ubuntu | 07:34 |
| pitti | ah, that's correct then | 07:34 |
| pitti | seems you already pushed it there | 07:34 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: I deleted the old "trunk" branch | 07:35 |
| dholbach | I did :) | 07:35 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: ok, let's use lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-power/ubuntu from now on | 07:36 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: you can delete lp:~robert-ancell/gnome-power/ubuntu then (and probably lp:~robert-ancell/gnome-power/bug-419637, too) | 07:36 |
| * pitti -> breakfast | 07:37 | |
| robert_ancell | hmm, lp is timing out | 07:38 |
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| didrocks | morning everybody :) | 08:15 |
| pitti | hey didrocks | 08:15 |
| didrocks | hey pitti, have you finally succeeded in all MIR reviewing? :) | 08:16 |
| pitti | kenvandine: evo-couchdb seeded now, so we'll see it soon in component-mismatches | 08:16 |
| pitti | didrocks: not in all, but at least all assigned to me | 08:16 |
| pitti | still some 20 eucalyptus ones outstanding as well, though | 08:17 |
| didrocks | waow... it seems that eucalyptus brings a lot of components | 08:17 |
| soren | ..and pain and suffering :) | 08:18 |
| didrocks | I believe you :) | 08:18 |
| dholbach | didrocks: once ttx is done with that, java packaging will be easy because we have all java modules in the archive already ;-) | 08:40 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, what do we do about API changes like in bug 419631? | 08:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 419631 in gtksourceview2 "Update to 2.7.4" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419631 | 08:59 |
| robert_ancell | bye all | 09:05 |
| mac_v | mvo: hi...aptd keeps crashing > Bug #418766 , but its marked as a dup of a private bug... could you make the main bug public? or is there some reason for the main bug being private ? | 09:46 |
| ubottu | Bug 418766 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/418766 is private | 09:46 |
| mvo | mac_v: checking | 09:51 |
| mac_v | thanx :) | 09:52 |
| mvo | hey glatzor! | 09:58 |
| glatzor | hey mvo! | 09:58 |
| mvo | mac_v: the aptdaemon bug is fixed in bzr | 09:58 |
| mac_v | great :) | 09:59 |
| mvo | glatzor: I don't want to be anyoing or anything, but do you think you could have a look over the add-repo patch sometimes today ? | 10:03 |
| glatzor | for sure | 10:03 |
| glatzor | one moment | 10:03 |
| glatzor | mvo, do you know why the review diff is not uptodate ? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mvo/aptdaemon/add-repo/+merge/10744 | 10:06 |
| mvo | glatzor: no, I was wondering the same | 10:07 |
| mvo | glatzor: I can remove it and request a new merge? | 10:07 |
| glatzor | mvo, I can also do it the old fashion way :) | 10:08 |
| mvo | :) | 10:08 |
| seb128 | hello there | 10:15 |
| davmor2 | just a quickie on the fusa applet on today ubuntu iso the icon is the default icon when one can't be found I'm just checking that this is known | 10:17 |
| glatzor | mvo, does it make sense to have separate add/remove repository policies? | 10:21 |
| glatzor | mvo, I cannot think of a use case in which a user would be allowed to add repositories and not remove any | 10:21 |
| mvo | glatzor: me neither | 10:21 |
| didrocks | hey seb128, do you have some nice holidays? ;) | 10:22 |
| seb128 | hello didrocks | 10:22 |
| glatzor | mvo, especially if we add remove/disable/enable/change resository in the future | 10:22 |
| seb128 | yes excellent thanks | 10:22 |
| seb128 | you? | 10:22 |
| glatzor | hello seb128 | 10:22 |
| seb128 | hey glatzor | 10:22 |
| didrocks | they were great too, thanks | 10:22 |
| * pitti hugs seb128 | 10:27 | |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 10:27 | |
| mvo | glatzor: yeah, that is something we will support, but I do not plan to work on this for karmic | 10:27 |
| huats | morning | 10:28 |
| seb128 | lut huats | 10:31 |
| huats | hello seb128 | 10:32 |
| huats | get out of here you are on holidays ... | 10:32 |
| seb128 | huats, I've been away for over a week if you didn't notice | 10:35 |
| huats | I have | 10:35 |
| huats | but I mean you are still on holidays (and come back monday ?) | 10:36 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128! | 10:42 |
| chrisccoulson | aren't you meant to be on holiday still? ;) | 10:42 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 10:42 |
| seb128 | hum, seem people are not happy to see me around | 10:42 |
| chrisccoulson | of course we are - just a little unexpected;) | 10:43 |
| seb128 | well I was away one week and was enjoying some catching up with desktop world | 10:43 |
| seb128 | I don't see anything wrong with that ;-) | 10:43 |
| seb128 | especially that the versions page has an outdated overflow | 10:43 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i really need to do some updates this week | 10:44 |
| chrisccoulson | it seems robert_ancell did most of them overnight ;) | 10:45 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, 'most of them', there is still over a screen of outdated versions there looking at the lists | 10:46 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'll try and look at some of those today | 10:47 |
| didrocks | now that quickly 0.2 is released an FF in charge, I can do some of them :) | 10:48 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i've got to the bottom of this gnome-settings-daemon crash which is causing so many duplicates | 10:52 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, oh, good, what was it? | 10:52 |
| chrisccoulson | well, I think part of it is a Xorg bug, as it is returning the wrong error | 10:53 |
| chrisccoulson | but I need to speak to bryce about that | 10:53 |
| chrisccoulson | but basically what happens is - xsplash gets focus when the window manager loads, then it gets destroyed, and when you open another window which takes focus, libxklavier does XGetWindowProperty on the non-existant window | 10:54 |
| chrisccoulson | which should return BadWindow, but it doesn't because another client created a pixmap in the mean-time which gets the same ID as what the xsplash window hd | 10:55 |
| chrisccoulson | s/hd/had | 10:55 |
| chrisccoulson | and that messes things up :-/ | 10:55 |
| seb128 | ok, I see | 10:57 |
| pitti | rock | 10:57 |
| pitti | new rhythmbox without hal, and media-player-id working | 10:58 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti | 10:58 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 10:58 |
| rodrigo_ | is there a bug for 'removable media doesn't get automounted' already? | 11:00 |
| huats | seb128: I will do some updates too... | 11:00 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: works fine here.. | 11:00 |
| seb128 | huats, thanks | 11:00 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti: not here, maybe I'0m missing some package, since I upgraded from jaunty? | 11:01 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti: I have to manually mount all of them, not even CDs | 11:01 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: ubuntu-bug, select "storage", and walk through the steps | 11:01 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti: and running gnome from jhbuild mounts them nicely | 11:01 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: it's an excellent test case for my new symptom hook :) | 11:01 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: and in fact I'd like to see how it works for you as reporter, and for me as bug receiver | 11:02 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti: ah cool, running it | 11:02 |
| rodrigo_ | we moved away from hal now, right? | 11:02 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: correct | 11:03 |
| rodrigo_ | that's why I think I might missing some package, since in jhbuild it works | 11:03 |
| rodrigo_ | anyway, running ubuntu-bug... | 11:03 |
| glatzor | mvo, I merged your branch with some small modifications | 11:04 |
| mvo | glatzor: wonderful, thanks a lot | 11:04 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti: it tells me to specify a PID or package, what package should I tell it? | 11:05 |
| glatzor | mvo, It would be nice to be allowed to push to a branch that you review | 11:05 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: uh, what did you do? | 11:06 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: is this really current karmic? | 11:06 |
| rodrigo_ | run ubuntu-bug | 11:06 |
| pitti | ubuntu-bug should bring up a dialog asking for a symptom | 11:06 |
| pitti | dpkg -s apport | 11:06 |
| rodrigo_ | well, I'm upgrading right now some 30MB of packages, so latest might be there | 11:06 |
| mvo | glatzor: I can (from now on) push all my stuff under ~aptdaemon-developer | 11:06 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: it's been there for > 3 weeks, hm | 11:06 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm | 11:06 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: do you have the apport-symptoms package installed? | 11:06 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti: no, not installed | 11:07 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: ah, can you please install it? | 11:07 |
| rodrigo_ | yes, installing it now | 11:07 |
| pitti | odd, it's recommended by apport | 11:07 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, now it works :) | 11:07 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/419824 | 11:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 419824 in gvfs "USB devices are not mounted automatically" [Undecided,New] | 11:13 |
| davmor2 | Guys shutdown and restart seem to be hanging on asking all remaining processes to terminate | 11:14 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: I've already updated gnome-themes (refresh your version.html ;)) | 11:17 |
| pitti | davmor2: regression in -7 kernel, known | 11:17 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks - thanks:) | 11:17 |
| davmor2 | pitti: cool | 11:17 |
| Laney | I couldn't even boot with -7 | 11:17 |
| didrocks | ajaxed LP version is soooo smooth :) | 11:19 |
| Laney | it is nice, I just hope they can get page loads to be faster now | 11:20 |
| pitti | seb128: can I ask you a favor? would you mind to review media-player-id in source NEW? it's a trivial package, but required by new RB | 11:25 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - is HAL the only thing on the CD now which hasn't been ported to polkit-1? | 11:27 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: hplip as well | 11:27 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, ok. | 11:27 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: oh, and network-manager | 11:28 |
| pitti | there's an upstream branch for it, but it didn't land in ubuntu yet | 11:28 |
| pitti | I'll nag asac about it after his vac | 11:28 |
| chrisccoulson | cool! | 11:28 |
| * pitti files a hplip bug | 11:28 | |
| mac_v | pitti: do you have the bug# for the -7 kernel hangs bug? | 11:29 |
| mac_v | pls :) | 11:30 |
| pitti | mac_v: not at hand; I just heard it from several other people | 11:30 |
| mac_v | oh... ok... i had to force quit then it keeps asking for fsck on boot! | 11:31 |
| davmor2 | pitti: is http://www.davmor2.co.uk/broken-icon.png known too I'm assuming it is | 11:31 |
| mac_v | davmor2: yes :) tedg says it fixed upstream | 11:32 |
| davmor2 | mac_v: thanks I am guessing then that it will be in before alpha5 hopefully then :) | 11:33 |
| mac_v | davmor2: pls let me know if you find the kernel bug... i cant seem to find it :( | 11:34 |
| pitti | davmor2: yes, the fix is already in code review | 11:34 |
| mac_v | ah... found Bug #419297 | 11:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 419297 in linux "Shutdown does not turn off the power" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419297 | 11:35 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: hplip bug filed and linked to wiki page, FYI | 11:35 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti, thanks | 11:35 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ah, and nm just landed in upstream trunk | 11:37 |
| davmor2 | pitti: cool :) | 11:38 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: oh, and indicator-session (but that should be trivial to port) | 11:45 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah. i'm surprised that was written with the old policykit though ;) | 11:55 |
| chrisccoulson | vuntz - has nobody come forward yet to fix gnome bug 585614? | 11:57 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 585614 in gnome-session "port to PolicyKit 1.0" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585614 | 11:57 |
| vuntz | chrisccoulson: read the comments :-) | 11:59 |
| vuntz | chrisccoulson: the patch is committed, but consolekit still needs some work | 12:00 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that's what i was asking really - whether anyone had offered to work on the new consolekit API (and updating gnome-session to use it) | 12:01 |
| chrisccoulson | it's probably too late for this cycle though isn't it? | 12:01 |
| seb128 | pitti, I can have a look there | 12:02 |
| pitti | seb128: merci | 12:02 |
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| seb128 | pitti, the debian copyright mentions a tools dir | 12:07 |
| seb128 | but there is no such directory there? | 12:07 |
| seb128 | otherwise looks ok | 12:07 |
| seb128 | I've to go for lunch, be back in abit | 12:08 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, indeed; tools/ is in git, but not in make dist | 12:08 |
| pitti | the .rules is pre-generated in make dist | 12:08 |
| pitti | seb128: I'll drop that stanza from debian/copyright in the next upload | 12:08 |
| pitti | seb128: rejected and reuploaded, thanks for spotting | 12:12 |
| vuntz | chrisccoulson: it's a bit late, but not too late | 12:27 |
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| chrisccoulson | pitti - is there a polkit-gnome-authorization equivalent in the polkit-1 world? | 12:43 |
| james_w | not that I have seen | 12:43 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks james_w | 12:44 |
| chrisccoulson | i wonder if we should still be shipping the old polkit-gnome-authorization tool? | 12:44 |
| chrisccoulson | seeing that it manages hardly any policies anymore | 12:44 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: no, we shouldn't really | 12:44 |
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| james_w | what is left to port in the default install | 12:44 |
| james_w | oh, I bet Martin has a wiki page to tell us | 12:45 |
| chrisccoulson | yes, one second | 12:45 |
| pitti | james_w: for PK-1? | 12:45 |
| chrisccoulson | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/PolicyKitOneMigration | 12:45 |
| chrisccoulson | ^^^james_w | 12:45 |
| chrisccoulson | that's not just for the default install though | 12:45 |
| james_w | told you :-0 | 12:45 |
| chrisccoulson | AFAIK, it's just HAL, hplip and NM | 12:45 |
| pitti | james_w: basically, hplip; | 12:45 |
| pitti | james_w: network-manager is done in upstream trunk, hal is a wontfix | 12:46 |
| james_w | packagekit | 12:46 |
| pitti | and indicator-session is being taken care of | 12:46 |
| pitti | james_w: right, but that's not in the default install | 12:46 |
| pitti | and kubuntu doesn't have a PK-1 GUI yet | 12:46 |
| seb128 | pitti, newed now | 12:46 |
| james_w | ah | 12:46 |
| pitti | seb128: merci | 12:46 |
| seb128 | de rien | 12:46 |
| chrisccoulson | libgnomekbd and gedit-plugins updated now:) | 12:46 |
| james_w | but they might have a mixed old/new polkit on the CD? | 12:46 |
| pitti | james_w: I don't think that Kubuntu has any PK-1 stuff right now | 12:46 |
| james_w | they certainly don't use polkit-gnome-authorization though :-) | 12:47 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, you can probably upload the second? | 12:47 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - done | 12:47 |
| chrisccoulson | :) | 12:47 |
| pitti | the only thing that would use it is jockey-kde, and I worked around that by calling the GUI as root | 12:47 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, cool ;-) | 12:47 |
| james_w | nice | 12:47 |
| james_w | I'll say it again, pitti: you rock | 12:47 |
| pitti | james_w: and so do you! | 12:48 |
| chrisccoulson | so, should we just disable polkit-gnome-authorization now then, or maybe split it in to a separate package? | 12:48 |
| chrisccoulson | (it's part of policykit-gnome now) | 12:48 |
| pitti | james_w: it's a pity that we have to leave both the hal and PK migration 90% done in karmic, but at least that gives us a good start for LL | 12:48 |
| james_w | yeah | 12:48 |
| james_w | I'll take a look at hplip if I have a free weekend between now and release | 12:49 |
| james_w | I doubt it though :-) | 12:49 |
| james_w | oh, did you see a mail on advice for shipping a default distro policy from David a couple of weeks ago? | 12:50 |
| pitti | james_w: I didn't, no? | 12:50 |
| chrisccoulson | james_w - do you ever have weekends? i always seem to see you working on here at the weekends ;) | 12:50 |
| james_w | "Fwd: Roles and Policy" on polkit-devel | 12:51 |
| james_w | chrisccoulson: don't remind me :-) | 12:51 |
| james_w | seems like it maps to our existing "admin" group quite well | 12:52 |
| kenvandine | pitti, can you please sponsor desktopcouch, bug 416591 | 12:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 416591 in desktopcouch "New version, 0.3" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/416591 | 12:53 |
| pitti | kenvandine: will do afterl unch | 12:53 |
| kenvandine | thx | 12:53 |
| pitti | james_w: reading now, http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/polkit-devel/attachments/20090813/825f3bbd/attachment-0001.mht | 12:54 |
| james_w | that's the badger | 12:54 |
| james_w | hmm, I don't have pklocalauthority installed | 12:54 |
| pitti | james_w: so far we just have /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/51-ubuntu-admin.conf | 12:55 |
| pitti | but it should be enough AFAICS | 12:55 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| james_w | looks like it could be | 12:55 |
| james_w | ah, it seems pklocalauthority might just be a man page at this point | 12:56 |
| james_w | http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/polkit/polkit.spec?r1=1.8&r2=1.9 | 12:58 |
| james_w | it seems we may want something like [Desktop Administrator Permissions] | 12:58 |
| james_w | but the current situation will work, that just allows us to tweak defaults centrally | 12:59 |
| james_w | screen-resolution-extra and checkbox seem to be missing from the list | 13:02 |
| pitti | seb128: media-player-id is binary NEW now (please to main again, it's needed by RB; I'll maintain it) | 13:03 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok looking | 13:04 |
| seb128 | pitti, newed | 13:07 |
| * pitti hugs seb128 | 13:07 | |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 13:07 | |
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| kenvandine | morning rickspencer3 | 14:17 |
| pitti | hey rickspencer3 | 14:17 |
| rickspencer3 | hiya kenvandine | 14:18 |
| rickspencer3 | hi pitti | 14:18 |
| didrocks | hey rickspencer3 | 14:19 |
| rickspencer3 | hi didrocks | 14:19 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, I was stunned to see so much bug mail for quickly ... then realized it was "fix released" | 14:19 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 14:19 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 14:19 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: ahah ;) | 14:20 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: we'll certainly release a 0.21 fix release I guess in karmic (even a 0.22 perhaps) | 14:21 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, sure .. I hope so | 14:21 |
| Amaranth | can we get the patch from gnome bug 520779 applied in ubuntu at least? doesn't seem to be any activity on it upstream | 14:36 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 520779 in workspace switcher "make mousewheel work on switcher when using viewports" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520779 | 14:36 |
| Amaranth | the first patch (mine) would be the better one to use | 14:37 |
| Amaranth | oh, seb128 is back? | 14:38 |
| Amaranth | I'll ask him :) | 14:38 |
| kenvandine | pitti, there will be another refresh of indicat* today... just need to give tedg a good push :) | 15:07 |
| kenvandine | pitti, can the indicator-session MIR get approved before the PK changes? | 15:12 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - what shall we do about the transmission update now we are post FF? the new upstream version is only bug-fixes, but... | 15:18 |
| chrisccoulson | ...debian have enabled the QT front-end too (which is already in the current source tarball). If we ,erge with Debian, do we want the QT frontend, or shall we just leave that out for now? | 15:19 |
| pitti | kenvandine: i-s> if we get a commitment that it gets fixed soon, I think so; what is it blocking on right now (the MIR)? | 15:19 |
| chrisccoulson | /,erge/merge | 15:19 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: we can always leave it in universe if desired | 15:19 |
| pitti | so if it's bug-fix only for the gtk package, it's fine | 15:19 |
| kenvandine | yeah... i will get tedg to commit to fixing it by beta :) | 15:19 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - ok, i'll take a look at that unless someone else has already done work on it | 15:19 |
| chrisccoulson | don't we need a FFe for the QT part though? | 15:20 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: we probably do, but herewith you have it | 15:21 |
| pitti | it's just a new universe package, right? and less effort than to disable it | 15:21 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - ok, i'll take a look at that. a FFe for transmission should be easy to justify - charles is very responsive and active around here | 15:21 |
| chrisccoulson | so if there are any bugs, i'm sure he'll fix them quickly;) | 15:22 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - would you mind unsubscribing u-m-s from bug 406103 for now? | 15:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 406103 in transmission "Please merge transmission 1.73-5 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406103 | 15:24 |
| chrisccoulson | there's an additional bug open for the 1.74 update too | 15:24 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: shouldn't it just be closed entirely then? | 15:24 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, that's probably easier ;) | 15:24 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll do that | 15:24 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks:) | 15:24 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: anyway, unsub'ed | 15:27 |
| pitti | thanks | 15:27 |
| chrisccoulson | thank you too:) | 15:27 |
| pitti | kenvandine: so, should we officially bury desktop-karmic-gnomescan for karmic? or do you really want to keep it? | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | pitti, bury it :) | 15:39 |
| pitti | mvo: is it okay if I assign bug 391555 to you? it has a plethora of dupes | 15:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 391555 in gnome-app-install "gnome-app-install crashed with AttributeError in itemIsInstalled()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/391555 | 15:48 |
| mvo | pitti: I have a look | 15:48 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, thanks for looking into that | 15:49 |
| chrisccoulson | kklimonda - no problem | 15:49 |
| chrisccoulson | not sure when i'll finish it yet though;) | 15:49 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll use the packaging work you've already done, and the work on the FFe | 15:50 |
| chrisccoulson | xsplash really doesn't cope well with resolution changes :-/ | 15:53 |
| chrisccoulson | is xsplash running as root still, or as the user? | 15:53 |
| pitti | should run as gdm now | 15:59 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - thanks. | 16:00 |
| rodrigo_ | how do I build a package from a bzr branch with just the debian/ dir? | 16:01 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: does it have a .bzr-builddeb/ dir? | 16:01 |
| pitti | (usually) | 16:01 |
| rodrigo_ | yes | 16:01 |
| chrisccoulson | yay, gconf is done:) | 16:01 |
| pitti | bzr bd -S -> source package, bzr bd -- -b -> binaries | 16:01 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, cool | 16:02 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: or, if you want to edit it, bzr bd-do is useful, too; throws you into a 'normal' tree that you can edit, and exit 0 will copy back the debian/ changes | 16:02 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 16:03 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: /usr/share/doc/bzr-builddeb/README.gz has the details | 16:05 |
| rodrigo_ | great | 16:05 |
| rodrigo_ | that's easier than apt-get-source + .... | 16:06 |
| rugby471 | can anyone apply debdiff at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-user-dirs/+bug/204567 | 16:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 204567 in hundredpapercuts "Downloads should go to ~/Downloads" [High,In progress] | 16:10 |
| rugby471 | it has been waiting there for a long time and goes back to the behaviour of upstream | 16:10 |
| pitti | davidbarth: I updated the DX bits on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus, but not completely; could you please update the remaining bits? | 16:13 |
| chrisccoulson | dapper is not supported on the desktop anymore is it? | 16:14 |
| pitti | correct | 16:16 |
| mpt | mvo, just sent you a draft announcement, could you review it before I send it out to ubuntu-desktop@? | 16:16 |
| * mpt wonders if it should go to ubuntu-devel@ as well, or instead | 16:16 | |
| pitti | rickspencer3: I just spend a lot of time to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus TTBOMK; since nobody from desktop team can be in the release meeting tomorrow, would you mind giving this an once-over, so that at least the two of us are on the same state? | 16:17 |
| mvo | mpt: I have a look now | 16:17 |
| mpt | ta | 16:17 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, np | 16:18 |
| * rickspencer3 reads | 16:18 | |
| didrocks | pitti: if you want to add the "default application priorities", you can mark it as POSTPONED as we are still in discussion with xdg | 16:20 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, there are many specs which aren't on that page; this is just for major structural changes which are big enough to be on the release team radar | 16:23 |
| pitti | I tought that one was too far down the stack for that | 16:23 |
| pitti | didrocks: but either way, I'll update the blueprint accordingly, thanks | 16:23 |
| didrocks | pitti: oh ok. I thought you were putting a status on every UDS discussed spec | 16:23 |
| mpt | mvo, does it look ok? | 16:30 |
| mvo | mpt: looks great | 16:32 |
| mpt | mvo, ubuntu-desktop@ or ubuntu-devel@ or both? | 16:32 |
| mvo | mpt: feel free to revert the order of: | 16:32 |
| mvo | Michael Vogt, lead engineer | 16:32 |
| mvo | Matthew Paul Thomas, lead designer | 16:32 |
| mvo | it was you writing the mail afterall :) | 16:32 |
| mpt | ok :-) | 16:32 |
| mvo | probably both | 16:32 |
| pitti | kenvandine: can you please have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus, the "DX integration" bits and update it to the current word of the day (or tell me what to change)? | 16:32 |
| kenvandine | sure | 16:33 |
| pitti | kenvandine: thanks | 16:34 |
| mvo | mpt: adding of third party repositories (just the whitelisted stuff as g-a-i) is almost ready btw | 16:34 |
| mpt | neat | 16:34 |
| mvo | mpt: do you have a opinion about removals? i.e. what if removing a package causes the removal of e.g. ubuntu-desktop - should we warn? or error? or just do ? | 16:35 |
| mpt | mvo, what other common examples of that are there? ubuntu-desktop is kind of a speshul case | 16:35 |
| kenvandine | pitti, can xsplash me marked as done? it is feature complete but waiting on more artwork? | 16:35 |
| pitti | kenvandine: ah, nice "DONE" flood | 16:35 |
| pitti | kenvandine: sure, please just update it as you see fit, you know this stuff much better than me | 16:35 |
| mat_t | pitti: hey | 16:36 |
| pitti | kenvandine: (done flood for work items) | 16:36 |
| pitti | kenvandine: let's see how tomorrow's CDs explode :) | 16:36 |
| pitti | hey mat_t | 16:36 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, any chance you could refresh the burndown? | 16:36 |
| * rickspencer3 is too impatient to wait an hour | 16:36 | |
| * pitti cranks | 16:36 | |
| mvo | mpt: I need to run a analyzer to be certain, but I assume most of the current apps we offer to not result in removal other stuff, its mostly top-level applications anyway | 16:36 |
| mvo | ubuntu-desktop is a exception of course | 16:37 |
| mat_t | pitti: when is the best time for us to look into usplash theming? | 16:37 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: done | 16:37 |
| pitti | AWESOME! | 16:37 |
| pitti | just about to hit the trend line | 16:37 |
| rickspencer3 | !!! | 16:37 |
| mat_t | good job deskrop team! :) | 16:38 |
| mat_t | desktop even! | 16:38 |
| mat_t | ;) | 16:38 |
| rickspencer3 | if we removed asac's "browsers" blueprint, we would be below, I think | 16:38 |
| pitti | mat_t: rather ealier than later; UI freeze is in two weeks | 16:38 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: let's keep that boost for next week; let's not spend all our trumps on one day :-P | 16:38 |
| rickspencer3 | desktop team rooolz! | 16:38 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, lol | 16:38 |
| mvo | mpt: btw, I subscribed you to some bugs that are about design decisions in the spec. is that something I should do? or should I rather close them and point people to the spec? | 16:38 |
| mat_t | pitti: cool, I'm ready anytime - just let me know when is best for you | 16:38 |
| mpt | mvo, so maybe we could use a special-case warning for ubuntu-desktop, and just send people to Synaptic for anything else (after all, as far as the Store 1.0 is concerned, there's no such thing as a non-application package) | 16:38 |
| * rickspencer3 retracts statement | 16:39 | |
| mpt | mvo, I just subscribed to Bugs for the package, so you won't need to do that any more | 16:39 |
| pitti | mat_t: well, this week is so crazy, just ask | 16:39 |
| mvo | mpt: yeah, that behaviour is fine with me | 16:39 |
| mvo | mpt: a warning is maybe enough? or just refusing it outright? | 16:39 |
| mat_t | pitti: how about I'll ping you some time tomorrow | 16:39 |
| pitti | mat_t: I won't be here tomorrow (I'll be at a wedding), I swapped with Sunday | 16:40 |
| pitti | mat_t: what are you currently planning to do? I understand this might depend a lot on the fate and state of xplash in karmic, too? | 16:40 |
| mat_t | pitti: well, yes and no | 16:40 |
| mat_t | pitti: basically we're removing the progress bar and replacing the artwork with the simple logo in the middle. We also talked in Dublin about fading in and out using color-palette swap | 16:42 |
| Amaranth | hmm, guess seb128 isn't coming back after all | 16:42 |
| mvo | Amaranth: officially he is one leave | 16:42 |
| Amaranth | ah, still? | 16:42 |
| Amaranth | he was here earlier and said he would be back in a bit | 16:43 |
| mpt | mvo, announcement sent | 16:43 |
| Amaranth | ok, I'll turn this patch into a branch and see if someone will upload it for me :) | 16:43 |
| mvo | thanks mpt | 16:43 |
| mvo | Amaranth: what package? | 16:43 |
| Amaranth | gnome-panel | 16:43 |
| mpt | mvo, well, let's see if we can come up with coherent warning text | 16:43 |
| pitti | mat_t: right, I still have that half-done branch for fading (not using palette, though, since it's using 16 bit colors, not 8) | 16:43 |
| mvo | mpt: maybe something like "this application is considered part of your core system, do you really want to remove it"? | 16:44 |
| mpt | mvo, first shot: "If you uninstall <application name>, upgrading later to a future version of Ubuntu may not work properly. Are you sure you want to continue?" | 16:44 |
| mvo | mpt: I guess that is a bit technical still | 16:44 |
| Amaranth | I sent a patch upstream over a year ago to make scrolling the mouse wheel on the workspace switcher work in compiz, want to at least get it in Ubuntu :) | 16:44 |
| rickspencer3 | Amaranth, yeah! | 16:44 |
| rickspencer3 | do you have a bug that I can subscribe someone too? | 16:45 |
| mpt | hm, "future"->"later", because you might be using a non-current version | 16:45 |
| mvo | Amaranth: sure, if its in a branch I have a look | 16:45 |
| tgpraveen1 | dx-karmic-os-switcher: not started <--- with the switch to GRUB2 and new boot splash what will be the method to switch to other OSs | 16:45 |
| Amaranth | I think vuntz hasn't done anything with it because he wants to rewrite libwnck to do WnckWorkspace with WnckVirtualDesktop and WnckViewport backends so code using it doesn't have to care | 16:45 |
| Amaranth | rickspencer3: just upstream | 16:45 |
| mpt | tgpraveen1, mat_t or dbarth are the people to answer that question | 16:46 |
| tgpraveen1 | and if i want to make say windows the default os to boot in is there a method without using CLI? | 16:46 |
| Amaranth | mvo: getting it into a branch now, will let you know in a bit :) | 16:46 |
| tgpraveen1 | mat_t: dx-karmic-os-switcher: not started <--- with the switch to GRUB2 and new boot splash what will be the method to switch to other OSs | 16:46 |
| mvo | mpt: right, I think part of the problem is the upgrades, part is that it might be stuff the user wants, but is not aware of. stuff like "the panel" - if he has no idea what that is, he may accidentially want to remove it | 16:46 |
| mvo | mpt: or do you think its too hard to capture both problems in a single sentence? | 16:47 |
| mvo | thanks Amaranth | 16:47 |
| mpt | mvo, well that doesn't matter so much for 1.0, because the system stuff is mostly not stuff with .desktop files | 16:47 |
| mpt | though that does remind me we need to special-case people uninstalling the Software Store itself :-) | 16:48 |
| mpt | but for version 2+, it will be an issue | 16:48 |
| mvo | mpt: :) | 16:48 |
| rugby471 | it has been waiting there for a long time and goes back to the behaviour of upstream | 16:48 |
| rugby471 | oops | 16:48 |
| mpt | mvo, second shot: "<application name> is a core application in Ubuntu. Uninstalling it may cause future upgrades to be incomplete. Are you sure you want to continue?" want to continue?" | 16:48 |
| rugby471 | can anyone apply debdiff at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-user-dirs/+bug/204567 it solves a papercut and is inline with upstream | 16:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 204567 in hundredpapercuts "Downloads should go to ~/Downloads" [High,In progress] | 16:49 |
| mpt | mvo, minus those last three words of course | 16:49 |
| mvo | mpt: I like that | 16:49 |
| mvo | mpt: I will add it | 16:49 |
| mpt | mvo, ok, and I'll spec it | 16:49 |
| pitti | kenvandine: is anything major wrt. indicator still planned for alpha-5? (currently the list of intrusive changes is empty) | 16:50 |
| mvo | thanks mpt | 16:50 |
| kenvandine | nothing major | 16:50 |
| kenvandine | pitti, there is a round of indicator refreshes coming now | 16:50 |
| kenvandine | which includes adding launchers to the indicators | 16:50 |
| mat_t | tgpraveen1: same as now - hold ESC to access grub menu | 16:50 |
| pitti | kenvandine: ok, thanks | 16:50 |
| Amaranth | dang, have to do an upgrade to satisfy dependencies, this may take a bit | 16:50 |
| pitti | kenvandine: could you stand in for me on tomorrow's release team meeting at 1500 UTC? I have a swap day with Sunday, need to go to a wedding | 16:51 |
| pitti | kenvandine: the report should be pretty complete (it's the wiki page), but there might be some questions coming up, and I think you have a pretty good overview what's going on | 16:51 |
| tgpraveen1 | mat_t: isnt this a huge regression for people who use ubuntu as a secondary OS? as soon as one installs ubuntu it takes over the system. right now atleast we get the grub menu with a selection of installed OS | 16:52 |
| pitti | kenvandine: so it's mainly about collecting questions, answer the ones you know, and distribute the ones you don't know | 16:52 |
| rugby471 | mvo : what is the best thing I could do to help with software-store, I have run out of bugs to file :-) | 16:52 |
| tgpraveen1 | but with this new system new users might even get confused that ubuntu has taken over and windwos is lost | 16:52 |
| kenvandine | pitti, yeah | 16:52 |
| pitti | kenvandine: ok, thanks; I'll send you the necessary stuff | 16:53 |
| kenvandine | thx pitti! | 16:53 |
| mpt | mvo, "Remove Anyway" for the commit button | 16:53 |
| pitti | kenvandine: erm, for pushing work to you? :_) | 16:53 |
| pitti | kenvandine: thanks for covering | 16:53 |
| mvo | rugby471: depends on what you like to do :) there is plenty of stuff in the spec that is not done yet. if you like python, the animation button or the different open modes might be nice | 16:53 |
| * Amaranth wonders what the point of a scrollbar is in synaptic if you can't scroll up | 16:54 | |
| kenvandine | pitti, can you sponsor bug 419997 ? | 16:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 419997 in indicator-messages "Update to upstream 0.2.0" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419997 | 16:54 |
| mvo | Amaranth: hm? | 16:54 |
| Amaranth | mvo: when it's downloading packages | 16:54 |
| Amaranth | mvo: every time the percentage changes it forces it back to the bottom | 16:54 |
| mvo | Amaranth: heh :) yeah, that is a bit sub-optimal :( | 16:54 |
| rugby471 | can anyone sponsor : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-user-dirs/+bug/204567 | 16:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 204567 in hundredpapercuts "Downloads should go to ~/Downloads" [High,In progress] | 16:54 |
| Amaranth | mvo: it should just say what it is doing with some labels and progress bars and when it finishes a download show the next one | 16:55 |
| rugby471 | mvo: cool, I shall have a look | 16:55 |
| didrocks | mpt: the “Where Is It?” button is really a great idea. Not sure it's realistic with current technology but great in theory (you are speaking about the real top panel application menu, right?) :) | 16:55 |
| mpt | didrocks, yes | 16:55 |
| mat_t | tgpraveen1: yes, it's not perfect atm, should be a lot better when we have "proper" OS switcher in Karmic +1 | 16:55 |
| mpt | didrocks, I was hoping you might see that section ;-) | 16:55 |
| mvo | rugby471: the animation icon in the pending view is also a nice target, that one should be fun (but I don't know if we have icons for the animation yet) | 16:55 |
| didrocks | mpt: let me think a couple of days about it and make some research, we'll see if an idea can come :) | 16:56 |
| mpt | cool | 16:56 |
| mac_v | mpt: latest update has a better option > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-store/+bug/419295/comments/4 | 16:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 419295 in software-store ""Price: Free" in every software description sounds cheesy and is redundant!" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:57 |
| mpt | didrocks, meanwhile, a much simpler animation I think would help would be for the home view to slide off the left and the category view to slide on from the right, whenever you navigate to a category, and the reverse when you navigate back to the top level | 16:58 |
| mpt | didrocks, and the same for navigating into an individual application view | 16:58 |
| didrocks | mpt: that's not seem complicated. I have to check what and how widgets are currently implemented (if any) and make some tests. | 17:00 |
| mpt | neat | 17:00 |
| mpt | I'll add a mini-spec for each of those to the wiki page shortly | 17:00 |
| * didrocks schedules that for next week (too busy this week-end) :) | 17:00 | |
| didrocks | mpt: yes, please :) | 17:01 |
| mpt | thanks :-) | 17:01 |
| mac_v | mpt: mvo: progress icon? is that OK? > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore/Icons | 17:02 |
| mpt | mac_v, it's pretty good | 17:04 |
| * Amaranth grumbles about debconf junk popping up | 17:04 | |
| Amaranth | and then freezing :/ | 17:04 |
| mac_v | mpt: ok... i'll write up a bug report and add the full animation | 17:04 |
| Amaranth | oh, it was updating initramfs | 17:04 |
| rugby471 | mac_v: can you put link to bug report here in channel? | 17:05 |
| mpt | mac_v, thanks heaps for helping out with that. Unfortunately there's some boring legal stuff to go through if you haven't signed the Contributor Agreement before. <http://canonical.com/contributors> | 17:06 |
| mpt | mvo, hmmm, if you're going to allow removal of ubuntu-desktop, how much extra effort to allow removal of any other metapackage? | 17:06 |
| mac_v | rugby471: i havent written it yet , first i need to complete the animation once done i'll write it... | 17:06 |
| rugby471 | ah | 17:06 |
| rugby471 | ok then | 17:06 |
| mvo | mpt: none, I mean, the code that checks that can check for any package | 17:06 |
| mac_v | mpt: dont worry i wont sue Canonical ;) , but sure i'll sign it | 17:06 |
| mvo | mpt: should it be a dialog or do you want to detect it in advance (i.e. label the button before the user clicked on it) | 17:07 |
| mpt | mvo, except having a separate warning message | 17:07 |
| mvo | mpt: ok | 17:07 |
| mpt | mvo, ooh, nice idea, like a (!) emblem of something | 17:07 |
| * Amaranth thinks gnome-panel's build system is a little broken | 17:07 | |
| mpt | of->of | 17:07 |
| mpt | garrrrr | 17:07 |
| Amaranth | CC | 17:07 |
| mpt | of->or | 17:07 |
| Amaranth | I just get a bunch of lines of that instead of the file name too | 17:08 |
| Amaranth | eh, it built | 17:08 |
| mpt | mvo, is it fair to say that the purpose of metapackages is always to let the metapackage maintainer direct the installation of new packages later without the user having to choose them specifically? | 17:10 |
| mpt | Or is there some other reason for them? | 17:10 |
| mvo | mpt: that is one (big) reason, I personally think of them also as what defines your desktop. the apps selected there are what makes the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu | 17:10 |
| mpt | mvo, so for the non-ubuntu-desktop case I'm thinking something like: "If you uninstall <application name> you will no longer receive new software that is part of the ”<metapackage name>” set. Are you sure you want to continue?" | 17:13 |
| mpt | That's a bit ambiguous though, specifically what "new" means | 17:13 |
| mpt | it means new packages, not new versions of already-installed packages | 17:13 |
| mac_v | mpt: just to clarify for progress icon , what size icon are you using in the left pane for the rest? | 17:14 |
| mpt | mac_v, I don't know (ask mvo), but you have it as a vector, right? | 17:14 |
| mac_v | mpt: yes svg ,vector imag | 17:15 |
| mac_v | image* | 17:15 |
| mac_v | mvo: just to clarify for progress icon , what size icon are you using in the left pane for the rest? | 17:15 |
| mvo | mac_v: currently its 32px | 17:15 |
| mac_v | ah... ok thanx :) | 17:16 |
| mpt | ... "If you uninstall <application name>, future upgrades will not include new items in the “<metapackage name>” set. Are you sure you want to continue?" | 17:16 |
| mpt | that's a bit better | 17:16 |
| mvo | mpt: ok, I run a tool over the desktop data tomorrow (need to write it first ;) that checks about the possible removals to see how broad the scope of the problem is | 17:17 |
| mpt | mvo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore?action=diff&rev2=116&rev1=115 | 17:20 |
| mac_v | rugby471: by when do you want the bug report for the icon? | 17:23 |
| rugby471 | just when you file it :-) | 17:23 |
| rugby471 | I am working on getting the icon on there | 17:23 |
| rugby471 | in the mean time I can always use an alternate one, no pressure for time | 17:23 |
| rugby471 | mvo: if I have a quick patch, can I submit it here? (using pastebin) | 17:24 |
| mac_v | rugby471: icon for the progress? then why | 17:24 |
| mac_v | dont you write the bug report i'll atach it later | 17:24 |
| mac_v | attach* | 17:24 |
| rugby471 | sure | 17:24 |
| mvo | rugby471: sure | 17:25 |
| rugby471 | cool | 17:25 |
| mac_v | rugby471: notify me once you write it ;) | 17:25 |
| rugby471 | sure | 17:26 |
| rugby471 | mac_v: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-store/+bug/420028 | 17:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 420028 in software-store "Pending/In Progress view needs icon" [Undecided,New] | 17:27 |
| mac_v | rugby471: thanx , but what about the icon? WIP? | 17:28 |
| rugby471 | sorry? | 17:28 |
| mac_v | rugby471: i thought you said you were making an icon? or did i understand wrong? | 17:29 |
| rugby471 | I thought you were making the icon, I am simple writing the code to put it in the sidebar | 17:29 |
| rugby471 | hehe :-) | 17:29 |
| mac_v | rugby471: yes , i'm making the icon ;) | 17:30 |
| rugby471 | kl | 17:30 |
| mac_v | rugby471: ok.. great , now , i need to know a bit about the code? have you written it yet? can i have a look , so that get the animation correct without jerks | 17:30 |
| mac_v | so that i* | 17:31 |
| rugby471 | not yet, nearly there hopefully | 17:31 |
| Amaranth | wow | 17:31 |
| Amaranth | 1 year old pushes one or two buttons on my computer and it went crazy for 5 minutes | 17:32 |
| Amaranth | compiz crashing, metacity crashing, apps going fullscreen and back over and over | 17:32 |
| rugby471 | mac_v: damn it, I thought gtk would just handle an animation, turns out it doesn't | 17:32 |
| rugby471 | hehe | 17:32 |
| mac_v | rugby471: check out how nautilus handles progress-working | 17:33 |
| rugby471 | oh good I think I found something here - http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=edit&file=faq23.037.htp | 17:33 |
| rugby471 | mac_v: I would but C is very foreign to me :-) | 17:33 |
| mac_v | ;) | 17:34 |
| Amaranth | mvo: making sure it still builds after I committed then I'll push the branch | 17:34 |
| mvo | Amaranth: :) | 17:35 |
| mac_v | rugby471: firefox seems to be doing it with a .gif , might wanna confirm with mvo , how he wants it done | 17:35 |
| mvo | Amaranth: I need to leave for dinner for some minutes anyway | 17:35 |
| mvo | mac_v: I don't mind as long as it spins :) | 17:35 |
| Amaranth | hrm, was afraid of that | 17:35 |
| Amaranth | dang kids pushing buttons on my computer | 17:35 |
| Amaranth | it killed my build and made my computer crazy | 17:36 |
| rugby471 | gif seems the way to go give me a min and I could have it | 17:36 |
| mvo | Amaranth: no worries, I will be back | 17:36 |
| rugby471 | mvo : any idea why software-store doesn't exit cleanly? | 17:36 |
| mvo | rugby471: what is it doing for you? | 17:36 |
| Amaranth | it keeps running | 17:36 |
| mvo | just with a non-zero exit code? | 17:36 |
| rugby471 | dunno, it just keeps running in the terminal and I have to do Ctrl-C to exit | 17:37 |
| mvo | uh, missing delete event I guess | 17:37 |
| * mvo looks | 17:37 | |
| rugby471 | exit > stop the process | 17:37 |
| rugby471 | i thought so | 17:37 |
| kenvandine | pitti, can you also sponsor bug 420034 | 17:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 420034 in gwibber "Update to 2.0.0 snapshot" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420034 | 17:38 |
| rugby471 | mac_v & mvo: just off to have dinner | 17:38 |
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| mvo | rugby471: fixed in bzr | 17:39 |
| pitti | Riddell: if you have a minute, could you please update the kubuntu bits on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus? I can't be on the release meeting tomorrow | 17:39 |
| Amaranth | mvo: when you get back: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~amaranth/gnome-panel/scroll_with_viewports | 17:41 |
| * Amaranth tries to think of remaining differences in behavior when compiz is running | 17:42 | |
| Amaranth | show desktop works differently, can't drag windows between viewports from workspace switcher | 17:43 |
| Amaranth | I think that's about it other than intentional differences | 17:43 |
| Riddell | pitti: done. I can't be at the release meeting either | 17:45 |
| pitti | Riddell: cheers | 17:45 |
| mvo | Amaranth: from a first glance the patch looks ok, I have a closer look later (not sure if seb will jump on me or not if I just commit it ;) - so maybe I wait until tomorrow | 17:45 |
| * mvo -> dinner | 17:46 | |
| Amaranth | mvo: alright | 17:46 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti - i just saw your mail about moving documentation | 17:46 |
| chrisccoulson | have you done any work on this yet, other than stripping the translations out? | 17:46 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: yes, I have a script to pull them from launchpad and download them | 17:47 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: and the current karmic pkgbinarymangler creates the tarballs (but doesn't strip them yet) | 17:47 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: but I didn't touch rarian et all yet, I wanted to check for alternative solutions first | 17:48 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: so far, lool's idea of replacing them with symlinks clearly beats adding 50 Replaces: | 17:48 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i suppose that's slightly better | 17:48 |
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| mac_v | mpt: mvo: rugby471: the problem with gif is , you have color restrictions , 256 , might not look as good on output | 17:55 |
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| mpt | Isn't there something in GTK/GDK/whatever that blits vector images as an animation? oy | 17:56 |
| kenvandine | pitti, and notify-osd is ready to be sponsored, bug 420046 | 17:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 420046 in notify-osd "Update to latest upstream version, 0.9.19" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420046 | 17:56 |
| mac_v | andreasn: could you clarify^ what mpt said | 17:56 |
| andreasn | there is some code in nautilus that animate stuff from stills inside one image | 17:57 |
| mac_v | mpt: the question came up because rugby471 wanted to do it the old firefox way and use gif instead of png or svg | 17:58 |
| andreasn | but I don't know if there is something inside GTK+ itself | 17:58 |
| dobey | the code to do animations with multi-frame PNG/SVG is pretty trivial with GtkImage/GdkPixbuf | 17:58 |
| rugby471 | dobey: I am not that good at the olf gtkImage suff, could you have a look? | 17:58 |
| dobey | look at what? | 17:59 |
| rugby471 | software-store | 17:59 |
| rugby471 | we need a progress icon in a treeview (an animation) | 17:59 |
| dobey | heh, i just removed some code from ubuntuone-client-applet to do the animated icon, like 2 weeks ago | 18:00 |
| rugby471 | could you put it in a pastebin? | 18:00 |
| dobey | no, it was a bit spread out amongst the rest of the code in the applet | 18:01 |
| rugby471 | oh | 18:01 |
| rugby471 | oh well | 18:02 |
| dobey | basically you just need to calculate the frames in the PNG/SVG, and loop through the frames, setting the pixbuf as the image in the treeview | 18:02 |
| rugby471 | I am having some trouble with making a listsotre with gtk images for one of the collumn | 18:02 |
| * mpt -> home | 18:02 | |
| rugby471 | it won't show | 18:02 |
| mpt | thanks for your work mac_v and rugby471 | 18:03 |
| rugby471 | thats fine | 18:03 |
| mac_v | mpt: np | 18:03 |
| mac_v | rugby471: you might wanna have a look at firefox 3.0 code , it uses png for the throbber | 18:06 |
| rugby471 | kl | 18:07 |
| davidbarth | pitti: yes, will update that tomorrow morning with the latest on bug fixes listed there | 18:14 |
| rugby471 | wahooo!!! | 18:24 |
| rugby471 | mac_v: step one towards animation, complete :-) | 18:24 |
| mac_v | nice :) | 18:27 |
| rugby471 | try and do it as a gif, however if it is too crappy, we shall try to it with seperate files | 18:28 |
| dobey | i don't think GtkCellRendererPixbuf supports animated images (gif/apng/etc) | 18:30 |
| mclasen | there's a progress cell renderer in gtk, and there's spinner cell renderers floating around | 18:34 |
| mac_v | rugby471: apng would be better , pls dont use gif ,it uses crappy color support | 18:46 |
| mac_v | i would say its better to check out how it can be done that to use a crappy gif | 18:48 |
| mac_v | dobey: just an idea , why does the network manager applet use multiple png while animating the re-connection? can similar be done in software store?[several separate images] | 19:10 |
| dobey | i don't know why nm uses multiple PNGs | 19:13 |
| dobey | you can put all the frames in one PNG | 19:13 |
| pitti | davidbarth: thanks; Ken already did some updates as well | 19:14 |
| rugby471 | dobey: GtkCellRendererPixbuf doesn't, however I found a script that makes a gtkimage cell renderer and now it does work (only with gifs at the moment) | 19:14 |
| rugby471 | you don't know whether it supports apng or somethign similiar does it? | 19:15 |
| dobey | if it's a CellRenderPixbufAnimated then it supports whatever GdkPixbufAnimation supports, i would guess | 19:17 |
| dobey | what icon are you trying to use for the store? | 19:17 |
| rugby471 | yeah but do you know what formats that is :-) | 19:17 |
| rugby471 | well I have just tested apng, doesn't work | 19:17 |
| dobey | probably gif and gif | 19:18 |
| rugby471 | hehe | 19:18 |
| rugby471 | well gif definitely works | 19:18 |
| mclasen | .gif and .ico | 19:18 |
| rugby471 | mclasen: thx | 19:18 |
| mclasen | and bunch of frames | 19:18 |
| dobey | oh right, .ico | 19:21 |
| dobey | mclasen: i don't think there's a GdkPixbufAnimation module that handles bunch of frames is there? you have to do it manually since there's no timing info, right? | 19:22 |
| mclasen | gdk_pixbuf_simple_anim_new | 19:23 |
| rugby471 | here is the current state of it :http://tinypic.com/r/20s84ms/3 (animation is actually smooth) | 19:23 |
| mac_v | nm animates the applet by a set of 11 icons , couldnt a similar timer be set? | 19:24 |
| mac_v | 11icons each for each of the 3 stages | 19:24 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce bug #419264 seems related to Intel drivers, can you take a look when you get a chance? | 19:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 419264 in compiz "Uses 100% CPU with Intel drivers" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419264 | 19:51 |
| bryce | rickspencer3, yeah been eyeing that one | 19:57 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce, seems spookily timed with mesa update | 19:57 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce, can you assign to yourself if you investigate? | 19:58 |
| bryce | rickspencer3, well not until a bit more information is collected; there's not enough data to know where it's failing. Once there is, I can send it upstream, it should be a priority for yingying if it's pinpointed to mesa | 20:01 |
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| rickspencer3 | bryce, right | 20:02 |
| rickspencer3 | I couldn't install the debug symbols because of some out of syncness in the repos | 20:02 |
| bryce | that's weird | 20:02 |
| rickspencer3 | compiz-core-dbgsym: Depends: compiz-core (= 1:0.8.2-0ubuntu8) but 1:0.8.3+git20090825-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 20:03 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce, ^ | 20:03 |
| bryce | rickspencer3, what does 'apt-cache policy compiz-core' say? | 20:08 |
| bryce | rickspencer3, you might doublecheck if you have some ppa's set up that are trying to pull compiz git snapshots | 20:09 |
| bryce | here's what I get: | 20:09 |
| bryce | $ apt-cache policy compiz-core | 20:09 |
| bryce | compiz-core: | 20:09 |
| bryce | Installed: 1:0.8.2-0ubuntu15 | 20:09 |
| bryce | Candidate: 1:0.8.2-0ubuntu16 | 20:09 |
| rickspencer3 | huh | 20:10 |
| bryce | so it's curious where that git snapshot of compiz is coming from | 20:10 |
| rickspencer3 | I thought I removed the compiz ppa from sources | 20:10 |
| rickspencer3 | I'll try later | 20:10 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce, I assume you are not seeing the issue on your i965? | 20:11 |
| bryce | rickspencer3, yeah, compiz only takes about 2% cpu on my 965 | 20:13 |
| bryce | let me update to absolute latest just in case tho | 20:13 |
| bryce | gconfd is using up 25% cpu, that's a bit odd | 20:15 |
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| rugby471 | see ya guys | 20:23 |
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| awe | fta: i'm working on the NM build failure from last night. should i just commit changes to the ubuntu.head branch? | 23:33 |
| fta | awe, yes | 23:33 |
| awe | fta: ok, i'll ping you if/when i land my changes. thanks! | 23:34 |
| awe | fyi, it might be 1st thing tomorrow | 23:34 |
| fta | awe, the bot runs at 7am CEST | 23:37 |
| fta | that's 5am UTC | 23:37 |
| awe | ok. do you automatically sync your daily build branch with ubuntu.head? | 23:37 |
| fta | yes | 23:38 |
| awe | ok, cool... that makes sense | 23:38 |
| fta | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fta/+junk/ppa-confs/annotate/head:/ppabot-pkgs-nmt.conf | 23:38 |
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