[00:01] but yeah, there is also hardcoded paths in yelp too (and all the omf files have a hardcoded path as well) [00:10] robert_ancell, good morning [00:10] rickspencer3_, hi rick [00:35] robert_ancell: kenvandine: now that the session menu is in, should we not clean up the system menu? [00:36] rickspencer3, ? [00:36] hehe [00:36] robert_ancell: never mind [00:37] I'll follow up next week [00:37] but we shouldn't have all the shutdown options in the session menu and the system menu [00:37] rickspencer3, is the session menu the fusa? [00:39] yes, what was until so recently called the fus [00:39] fusa [00:47] What calls xsplash? [00:48] And is there a way for the caller of xsplash to be told what images to use, now that xsplash supports command-line flags to tell it what images to use? [01:11] TheMuso - it's called from a GDM script [01:14] chrisccoulson: Yeah just found it. === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [03:09] bryce, i try to not use p.u.c since it's never in sync for a dev release. always refer to launchpad [06:30] robert_ancell: Afaik libcanberra is not covered by the GNOME freeze exception. [06:30] So it will nee an FFE. [06:30] need [06:30] TheMuso, ah, ok. Where is the freeze exception specified? [06:31] robert_ancell: I put a link in the bug. I replied not yet knowing that you assigned it to me. :) [06:31] TheMuso, I was about to do it and then saw you tend to make that release [06:33] robert_ancell: again as I said in the bug, I think we're better off pulling any important patches we need from trunk. 0.16 also introduces a new symbol/API function. [06:33] So unless a piece of gnome will use that, I think we're better off leaving it for now. [06:33] ok [06:34] On the other hand, the list of changes is quite short, and its only just after FF, so we could still probably get it in rather easily. [06:34] But I don't see the real need atm. [06:38] good morning [06:39] robert_ancell: IIRC gimp is not part of core gnome - it might need an ubuntu-release ACK [06:40] I'll just subscribe them to the bug [06:40] dholbach, thanks. Where is the list of what is excepted? [06:40] good question - the core gnome desktop is excepted [06:40] seb128 would know what is and what isn't [06:40] gimp, gthumb - stuff like that isn't [06:41] at least as well as I remember from "back then" :) [06:41] are the libraries included or just applications? [06:41] included [07:00] robert_ancell: afaik if it's in one of the gnome release sets (desktop, platform, bindings, development) and included in the default install it has a FFE [07:00] not sure for things not in the default install like epiphany [07:01] Amaranth: ah, thanks [07:01] robert_ancell: do you have a way to reproduce bug 153676? [07:01] Launchpad bug 153676 in compiz "New windows placed with focus behind fullscreen window" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153676 [07:02] err, not that one [07:02] ... [07:03] robert_ancell: bug 165161 [07:03] Launchpad bug 165161 in compiz "Compiz places transient dialogs behind currently focused window" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165161 [07:05] Amaranth: seb128 knows some good ones but you can do it by trying to install software from the software-store [07:05] oh, that is packaged? [07:05] yes [07:08] robert_ancell: seems it doesn't happen all the time :/ [07:08] Amaranth: yes, I see the same thing :( [07:08] ok, will look at that a bit tomorrow [07:08] I've only done some little stuff in that area of compiz though [07:10] dholbach, can you explain the shlibs setting? I don't think I've been setting them correctly [07:10] Good morning [07:10] chrisccoulson: right, /omf/ too; ugh [07:10] robert_ancell: if public interfaces get added you bump the shlibs [07:11] hey robert_ancell [07:11] and what uses that information? [07:11] hey pitti [07:11] robert_ancell: so if something links against the library in a new build the new version information is picked up [07:11] dholbach, robert_ancell: just for your interest, symbol files are a bit more modern and precise [07:11] (I didn't follow the entire conversation, though) [07:12] pitti: you're right [07:12] so should we be migrating shlibs to symbol files? [07:12] if you want [07:12] old .shlibs files works as well still [07:12] but with symbols files the package build will remind you of new symbols [07:12] it makes sense to coordinate that with debian [07:12] so it's less guesswork and you are less prone to forget about the shlibs files [07:13] robert_ancell: so I'm not saying "we should migrate" for the sake of it, just pointing out that they exist [07:13] matter of preference mainly [07:13] pitti, I'm just looking for a one true way to do things so I don't have to know two ways :) [07:14] robert_ancell: FWIW, I usually prefer symbols files nowadays [07:14] since I also always forgot to bump the shlibs files [07:14] now lintian checks it for me :) [07:14] and dh_shlibdeps can calculate the precise dependencies according to which symbols a package actually uses [07:15] sounds good to me [07:28] robert_ancell: can you please push your gnome-power-manager upload to bzr? [07:30] pitti, there should be a branch on the report - I couldn't upload to the main branch as i'm not in the power team [07:30] robert_ancell: oh, we really ought to change the owner [07:31] pitti, shall i push it to ~ubuntu-desktop and update the control file? [07:31] robert_ancell: hang on, I try to change the existing one [07:31] k [07:32] robert_ancell: changed; yes, please push now and change Vcs-Bzr: [07:33] robert_ancell: stop [07:33] robert_ancell: while I'm at it, let's also rename it to "ubuntu" [07:33] "trunk" is not really justified IMHO [07:33] pitti, and can we change the project name from gnome-power to gnome-power-manager? [07:33] Ubuntu Desktop already has a branch for gnome-power called ubuntu [07:33] oh, we have? [07:34] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-power/ubuntu [07:34] ah, that's correct then [07:34] seems you already pushed it there [07:35] robert_ancell: I deleted the old "trunk" branch [07:35] I did :) [07:36] robert_ancell: ok, let's use lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-power/ubuntu from now on [07:36] robert_ancell: you can delete lp:~robert-ancell/gnome-power/ubuntu then (and probably lp:~robert-ancell/gnome-power/bug-419637, too) [07:37] * pitti -> breakfast [07:38] hmm, lp is timing out === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:15] morning everybody :) [08:15] hey didrocks [08:16] hey pitti, have you finally succeeded in all MIR reviewing? :) [08:16] kenvandine: evo-couchdb seeded now, so we'll see it soon in component-mismatches [08:16] didrocks: not in all, but at least all assigned to me [08:17] still some 20 eucalyptus ones outstanding as well, though [08:17] waow... it seems that eucalyptus brings a lot of components [08:18] ..and pain and suffering :) [08:18] I believe you :) [08:40] didrocks: once ttx is done with that, java packaging will be easy because we have all java modules in the archive already ;-) [08:59] pitti, what do we do about API changes like in bug 419631? [08:59] Launchpad bug 419631 in gtksourceview2 "Update to 2.7.4" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419631 [09:05] bye all [09:46] mvo: hi...aptd keeps crashing > Bug #418766 , but its marked as a dup of a private bug... could you make the main bug public? or is there some reason for the main bug being private ? [09:46] Bug 418766 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/418766 is private [09:51] mac_v: checking [09:52] thanx :) [09:58] hey glatzor! [09:58] hey mvo! [09:58] mac_v: the aptdaemon bug is fixed in bzr [09:59] great :) [10:03] glatzor: I don't want to be anyoing or anything, but do you think you could have a look over the add-repo patch sometimes today ? [10:03] for sure [10:03] one moment [10:06] mvo, do you know why the review diff is not uptodate ? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mvo/aptdaemon/add-repo/+merge/10744 [10:07] glatzor: no, I was wondering the same [10:07] glatzor: I can remove it and request a new merge? [10:08] mvo, I can also do it the old fashion way :) [10:08] :) [10:15] hello there [10:17] just a quickie on the fusa applet on today ubuntu iso the icon is the default icon when one can't be found I'm just checking that this is known [10:21] mvo, does it make sense to have separate add/remove repository policies? [10:21] mvo, I cannot think of a use case in which a user would be allowed to add repositories and not remove any [10:21] glatzor: me neither [10:22] hey seb128, do you have some nice holidays? ;) [10:22] hello didrocks [10:22] mvo, especially if we add remove/disable/enable/change resository in the future [10:22] yes excellent thanks [10:22] you? [10:22] hello seb128 [10:22] hey glatzor [10:22] they were great too, thanks [10:27] * pitti hugs seb128 [10:27] * seb128 hugs pitti [10:27] glatzor: yeah, that is something we will support, but I do not plan to work on this for karmic [10:28] morning [10:31] lut huats [10:32] hello seb128 [10:32] get out of here you are on holidays ... [10:35] huats, I've been away for over a week if you didn't notice [10:35] I have [10:36] but I mean you are still on holidays (and come back monday ?) [10:42] hey seb128! [10:42] aren't you meant to be on holiday still? ;) [10:42] hey chrisccoulson [10:42] hum, seem people are not happy to see me around [10:43] of course we are - just a little unexpected;) [10:43] well I was away one week and was enjoying some catching up with desktop world [10:43] I don't see anything wrong with that ;-) [10:43] especially that the versions page has an outdated overflow [10:44] yeah, i really need to do some updates this week [10:45] it seems robert_ancell did most of them overnight ;) [10:46] chrisccoulson, 'most of them', there is still over a screen of outdated versions there looking at the lists [10:47] yeah, i'll try and look at some of those today [10:48] now that quickly 0.2 is released an FF in charge, I can do some of them :) [10:52] seb128 - i've got to the bottom of this gnome-settings-daemon crash which is causing so many duplicates [10:52] chrisccoulson, oh, good, what was it? [10:53] well, I think part of it is a Xorg bug, as it is returning the wrong error [10:53] but I need to speak to bryce about that [10:54] but basically what happens is - xsplash gets focus when the window manager loads, then it gets destroyed, and when you open another window which takes focus, libxklavier does XGetWindowProperty on the non-existant window [10:55] which should return BadWindow, but it doesn't because another client created a pixmap in the mean-time which gets the same ID as what the xsplash window hd [10:55] s/hd/had [10:55] and that messes things up :-/ [10:57] ok, I see [10:57] rock [10:58] new rhythmbox without hal, and media-player-id working [10:58] hey pitti [10:58] hey chrisccoulson [11:00] is there a bug for 'removable media doesn't get automounted' already? [11:00] seb128: I will do some updates too... [11:00] rodrigo_: works fine here.. [11:00] huats, thanks [11:01] pitti: not here, maybe I'0m missing some package, since I upgraded from jaunty? [11:01] pitti: I have to manually mount all of them, not even CDs [11:01] rodrigo_: ubuntu-bug, select "storage", and walk through the steps [11:01] pitti: and running gnome from jhbuild mounts them nicely [11:01] rodrigo_: it's an excellent test case for my new symptom hook :) [11:02] rodrigo_: and in fact I'd like to see how it works for you as reporter, and for me as bug receiver [11:02] pitti: ah cool, running it [11:02] we moved away from hal now, right? [11:03] rodrigo_: correct [11:03] that's why I think I might missing some package, since in jhbuild it works [11:03] anyway, running ubuntu-bug... [11:04] mvo, I merged your branch with some small modifications [11:04] glatzor: wonderful, thanks a lot [11:05] pitti: it tells me to specify a PID or package, what package should I tell it? [11:05] mvo, It would be nice to be allowed to push to a branch that you review [11:06] rodrigo_: uh, what did you do? [11:06] rodrigo_: is this really current karmic? [11:06] run ubuntu-bug [11:06] ubuntu-bug should bring up a dialog asking for a symptom [11:06] dpkg -s apport [11:06] well, I'm upgrading right now some 30MB of packages, so latest might be there [11:06] glatzor: I can (from now on) push all my stuff under ~aptdaemon-developer [11:06] rodrigo_: it's been there for > 3 weeks, hm [11:06] hmm [11:06] rodrigo_: do you have the apport-symptoms package installed? [11:07] pitti: no, not installed [11:07] rodrigo_: ah, can you please install it? [11:07] yes, installing it now [11:07] odd, it's recommended by apport [11:07] ah, now it works :) [11:13] pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/419824 [11:13] Launchpad bug 419824 in gvfs "USB devices are not mounted automatically" [Undecided,New] [11:14] Guys shutdown and restart seem to be hanging on asking all remaining processes to terminate [11:17] chrisccoulson: I've already updated gnome-themes (refresh your version.html ;)) [11:17] davmor2: regression in -7 kernel, known [11:17] didrocks - thanks:) [11:17] pitti: cool [11:17] I couldn't even boot with -7 [11:19] ajaxed LP version is soooo smooth :) [11:20] it is nice, I just hope they can get page loads to be faster now [11:25] seb128: can I ask you a favor? would you mind to review media-player-id in source NEW? it's a trivial package, but required by new RB [11:27] pitti - is HAL the only thing on the CD now which hasn't been ported to polkit-1? [11:27] chrisccoulson: hplip as well [11:27] ah, ok. [11:28] chrisccoulson: oh, and network-manager [11:28] there's an upstream branch for it, but it didn't land in ubuntu yet [11:28] I'll nag asac about it after his vac [11:28] cool! [11:28] * pitti files a hplip bug [11:29] pitti: do you have the bug# for the -7 kernel hangs bug? [11:30] pls :) [11:30] mac_v: not at hand; I just heard it from several other people [11:31] oh... ok... i had to force quit then it keeps asking for fsck on boot! [11:31] pitti: is http://www.davmor2.co.uk/broken-icon.png known too I'm assuming it is [11:32] davmor2: yes :) tedg says it fixed upstream [11:33] mac_v: thanks I am guessing then that it will be in before alpha5 hopefully then :) [11:34] davmor2: pls let me know if you find the kernel bug... i cant seem to find it :( [11:34] davmor2: yes, the fix is already in code review [11:35] ah... found Bug #419297 [11:35] Launchpad bug 419297 in linux "Shutdown does not turn off the power" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419297 [11:35] chrisccoulson: hplip bug filed and linked to wiki page, FYI [11:35] pitti, thanks [11:37] chrisccoulson: ah, and nm just landed in upstream trunk [11:38] pitti: cool :) [11:45] chrisccoulson: oh, and indicator-session (but that should be trivial to port) [11:55] pitti - yeah. i'm surprised that was written with the old policykit though ;) [11:57] vuntz - has nobody come forward yet to fix gnome bug 585614? [11:57] Gnome bug 585614 in gnome-session "port to PolicyKit 1.0" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585614 [11:59] chrisccoulson: read the comments :-) [12:00] chrisccoulson: the patch is committed, but consolekit still needs some work [12:01] yeah, that's what i was asking really - whether anyone had offered to work on the new consolekit API (and updating gnome-session to use it) [12:01] it's probably too late for this cycle though isn't it? [12:02] pitti, I can have a look there [12:02] seb128: merci === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:07] pitti, the debian copyright mentions a tools dir [12:07] but there is no such directory there? [12:07] otherwise looks ok [12:08] I've to go for lunch, be back in abit [12:08] seb128: oh, indeed; tools/ is in git, but not in make dist [12:08] the .rules is pre-generated in make dist [12:08] seb128: I'll drop that stanza from debian/copyright in the next upload [12:12] seb128: rejected and reuploaded, thanks for spotting [12:27] chrisccoulson: it's a bit late, but not too late === Amaranth__ is now known as Amaranth [12:43] pitti - is there a polkit-gnome-authorization equivalent in the polkit-1 world? [12:43] not that I have seen [12:44] thanks james_w [12:44] i wonder if we should still be shipping the old polkit-gnome-authorization tool? [12:44] seeing that it manages hardly any policies anymore [12:44] chrisccoulson: no, we shouldn't really === Amaranth is now known as Amaranth__ [12:44] what is left to port in the default install [12:45] oh, I bet Martin has a wiki page to tell us [12:45] yes, one second [12:45] james_w: for PK-1? [12:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/PolicyKitOneMigration [12:45] ^^^james_w [12:45] that's not just for the default install though [12:45] told you :-0 [12:45] AFAIK, it's just HAL, hplip and NM [12:45] james_w: basically, hplip; [12:46] james_w: network-manager is done in upstream trunk, hal is a wontfix [12:46] packagekit [12:46] and indicator-session is being taken care of [12:46] james_w: right, but that's not in the default install [12:46] and kubuntu doesn't have a PK-1 GUI yet [12:46] pitti, newed now [12:46] ah [12:46] seb128: merci [12:46] de rien [12:46] libgnomekbd and gedit-plugins updated now:) [12:46] but they might have a mixed old/new polkit on the CD? [12:46] james_w: I don't think that Kubuntu has any PK-1 stuff right now [12:47] they certainly don't use polkit-gnome-authorization though :-) [12:47] chrisccoulson, you can probably upload the second? [12:47] seb128 - done [12:47] :) [12:47] the only thing that would use it is jockey-kde, and I worked around that by calling the GUI as root [12:47] chrisccoulson, cool ;-) [12:47] nice [12:47] I'll say it again, pitti: you rock [12:48] james_w: and so do you! [12:48] so, should we just disable polkit-gnome-authorization now then, or maybe split it in to a separate package? [12:48] (it's part of policykit-gnome now) [12:48] james_w: it's a pity that we have to leave both the hal and PK migration 90% done in karmic, but at least that gives us a good start for LL [12:48] yeah [12:49] I'll take a look at hplip if I have a free weekend between now and release [12:49] I doubt it though :-) [12:50] oh, did you see a mail on advice for shipping a default distro policy from David a couple of weeks ago? [12:50] james_w: I didn't, no? [12:50] james_w - do you ever have weekends? i always seem to see you working on here at the weekends ;) [12:51] "Fwd: Roles and Policy" on polkit-devel [12:51] chrisccoulson: don't remind me :-) [12:52] seems like it maps to our existing "admin" group quite well [12:53] pitti, can you please sponsor desktopcouch, bug 416591 [12:53] Launchpad bug 416591 in desktopcouch "New version, 0.3" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/416591 [12:53] kenvandine: will do afterl unch [12:53] thx [12:54] james_w: reading now, http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/polkit-devel/attachments/20090813/825f3bbd/attachment-0001.mht [12:54] that's the badger [12:54] hmm, I don't have pklocalauthority installed [12:55] james_w: so far we just have /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/51-ubuntu-admin.conf [12:55] but it should be enough AFAICS === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:55] looks like it could be [12:56] ah, it seems pklocalauthority might just be a man page at this point [12:58] http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/polkit/polkit.spec?r1=1.8&r2=1.9 [12:58] it seems we may want something like [Desktop Administrator Permissions] [12:59] but the current situation will work, that just allows us to tweak defaults centrally [13:02] screen-resolution-extra and checkbox seem to be missing from the list [13:03] seb128: media-player-id is binary NEW now (please to main again, it's needed by RB; I'll maintain it) [13:04] pitti, ok looking [13:07] pitti, newed [13:07] * pitti hugs seb128 [13:07] * seb128 hugs pitti === al-maisan_ is now known as al-maisan [14:17] morning rickspencer3 [14:17] hey rickspencer3 [14:18] hiya kenvandine [14:18] hi pitti [14:19] hey rickspencer3 [14:19] hi didrocks [14:19] didrocks, I was stunned to see so much bug mail for quickly ... then realized it was "fix released" [14:19] :) [14:19] hehe [14:20] rickspencer3: ahah ;) [14:21] rickspencer3: we'll certainly release a 0.21 fix release I guess in karmic (even a 0.22 perhaps) [14:21] didrocks, sure .. I hope so [14:36] can we get the patch from gnome bug 520779 applied in ubuntu at least? doesn't seem to be any activity on it upstream [14:36] Gnome bug 520779 in workspace switcher "make mousewheel work on switcher when using viewports" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520779 [14:37] the first patch (mine) would be the better one to use [14:38] oh, seb128 is back? [14:38] I'll ask him :) [15:07] pitti, there will be another refresh of indicat* today... just need to give tedg a good push :) [15:12] pitti, can the indicator-session MIR get approved before the PK changes? [15:18] pitti - what shall we do about the transmission update now we are post FF? the new upstream version is only bug-fixes, but... [15:19] ...debian have enabled the QT front-end too (which is already in the current source tarball). If we ,erge with Debian, do we want the QT frontend, or shall we just leave that out for now? [15:19] kenvandine: i-s> if we get a commitment that it gets fixed soon, I think so; what is it blocking on right now (the MIR)? [15:19] /,erge/merge [15:19] chrisccoulson: we can always leave it in universe if desired [15:19] so if it's bug-fix only for the gtk package, it's fine [15:19] yeah... i will get tedg to commit to fixing it by beta :) [15:19] pitti - ok, i'll take a look at that unless someone else has already done work on it [15:20] don't we need a FFe for the QT part though? [15:21] chrisccoulson: we probably do, but herewith you have it [15:21] it's just a new universe package, right? and less effort than to disable it [15:21] pitti - ok, i'll take a look at that. a FFe for transmission should be easy to justify - charles is very responsive and active around here [15:22] so if there are any bugs, i'm sure he'll fix them quickly;) [15:23] pitti - would you mind unsubscribing u-m-s from bug 406103 for now? [15:24] Launchpad bug 406103 in transmission "Please merge transmission 1.73-5 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406103 [15:24] there's an additional bug open for the 1.74 update too [15:24] chrisccoulson: shouldn't it just be closed entirely then? [15:24] pitti - yeah, that's probably easier ;) [15:24] i'll do that [15:24] thanks:) [15:27] chrisccoulson: anyway, unsub'ed [15:27] thanks [15:27] thank you too:) [15:37] kenvandine: so, should we officially bury desktop-karmic-gnomescan for karmic? or do you really want to keep it? [15:39] pitti, bury it :) [15:48] mvo: is it okay if I assign bug 391555 to you? it has a plethora of dupes [15:48] Launchpad bug 391555 in gnome-app-install "gnome-app-install crashed with AttributeError in itemIsInstalled()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/391555 [15:48] pitti: I have a look [15:49] chrisccoulson, thanks for looking into that [15:49] kklimonda - no problem [15:49] not sure when i'll finish it yet though;) [15:50] i'll use the packaging work you've already done, and the work on the FFe [15:53] xsplash really doesn't cope well with resolution changes :-/ [15:53] is xsplash running as root still, or as the user? [15:59] should run as gdm now [16:00] pitti - thanks. [16:01] how do I build a package from a bzr branch with just the debian/ dir? [16:01] rodrigo_: does it have a .bzr-builddeb/ dir? [16:01] (usually) [16:01] yes [16:01] yay, gconf is done:) [16:01] bzr bd -S -> source package, bzr bd -- -b -> binaries [16:02] ah, cool [16:02] rodrigo_: or, if you want to edit it, bzr bd-do is useful, too; throws you into a 'normal' tree that you can edit, and exit 0 will copy back the debian/ changes [16:03] ok [16:05] rodrigo_: /usr/share/doc/bzr-builddeb/README.gz has the details [16:05] great [16:06] that's easier than apt-get-source + .... [16:10] can anyone apply debdiff at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-user-dirs/+bug/204567 [16:10] Launchpad bug 204567 in hundredpapercuts "Downloads should go to ~/Downloads" [High,In progress] [16:10] it has been waiting there for a long time and goes back to the behaviour of upstream [16:13] davidbarth: I updated the DX bits on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus, but not completely; could you please update the remaining bits? [16:14]