[09:05] <davmor2> Good Moaning
[09:12] <davmor2> sbeattie: when you get this it hasn't downloaded kubuntu-netbook or ubuntu-netbook-remix running the script with --only-release=karmic however this morning I'm running it with no exception so we'll see if it gets picked up then.  I've also pulled rev 199 this morning also :)  I'll let you know latter though :)
[09:20] <sbeattie> Hrm. It should, --release karmic --debug shows it.
[09:21] <davmor2> sbeattie: it's installed the folders for it but there is no file inside them
[09:23] <sbeattie> Hrm, I take that back, I see the unr image, but not the kubuntu one. Must be the usual bias against all things kubuntu again.
[09:24] <sbeattie> oh, no, there it is. I can't read.
[09:24] <davmor2> sbeattie: as I say I'll let you know once it finishes it's run. p.s. it is much faster today by the way :)
[09:27] <sbeattie> Kewl.
[09:28] <sbeattie> I do know that I had an issue with the kubuntu-netbook trying to get the incorrect name off of cdimages, but that should have been fixed.
[09:29] <davmor2> well as I said I pulled the bzr tree this morning so I have rev 199 and I'll let you know latter
[09:52] <sbeattie> davmor2: doing './dl-ubuntu-test-iso.py --isoroot /home/data/iso/ --release karmic --exclude-variant dvd --variant netbook --variant netbook-remix' finished my unr download and started on the knr image. I'm doing just a --release karmic --exclude dvd to see if it tries to grab them again, but I won't see it until tomorrow.
[09:53] <davmor2> np's
[10:50] <davmor2> davmor3: hello
[10:51] <ddeath> Hello
[10:51] <ddeath> Can anybody compile some console programs with my tools and test
[10:51] <ddeath> it
[10:51] <ddeath> Thease programs should be on GPL v.3
[10:52] <davmor2> davmor3: no noise, no flashy icon, no notify osd.  let's try that again now the window doesn't have focus
[10:52] <davmor2> now I just get flashy title bar :( still no noise
[10:57] <ddeath> davmor2: Do you use Compiz
[10:58] <ddeath> I have the same problems on OpenSUSE 11.2 Milestone(4,5) with Compiz
[10:58] <ddeath> Titlebar of windows is blank(white color)
[10:58] <davmor2> ddeath: this channel is for testing the current development releases of *buntu family.
[10:58] <ddeath> I know
[10:59] <ddeath> But the problem is connected
[10:59] <ddeath> If you have Compiz turn on, try to turn it off and answer
[11:00] <davmor2> ddeath: no it's fine
[11:00] <ddeath> So it's not Compiz related
[11:00] <ddeath> Do you mean sound as noises?
[11:01] <ddeath> Ah,,, You are desperated
[11:01] <ddeath> My English is bad
[11:01] <davmor2> notification noises
[11:05] <ddeath> Mixer icon -> options and see system beeb
[11:05] <ddeath> Mixer icon -> options .-> Beep
[11:08] <davmor2> ddeath: no it's the application itself not making noises
[14:03] <davmor2> fader: morning is that better now you have the right file :)
[14:03] <fader> davmor2: Definitely, thanks :)
[14:03] <fader> I thought that you'd been working all day on a one-line 'test' file :)
[14:04] <davmor2> yes
[14:04] <davmor2> fader: dyslexia it's a curse but hey it was a perfect test file :)
[14:04] <fader> davmor2: True... that was among the best test files I've ever seen.
[14:05] <fader> Crafted with love from the finest ASCII
[14:07] <davmor2> fader: it was actually the test.txt file I use for testing ssh/scp/sftp
[14:21] <davmor3> fader: :P
[14:21] <davmor3> O:-)
[14:21] <fader> davmor2: One of your clones has gotten loose again
[14:23] <davmor3> that would be funny if it was true :) Ubuntu has a default irc client again :)  this morning install included telepathy-idle :)
[14:24] <davmor3> just trying it out and you were the obvious candidate :D
[14:24] <fader> davmor3: How's it compare to xchat?
[14:25] <davmor3> it's basic but functional.  The annoying thing it the only / command that works is /me so no /join
[14:25] <davmor3> you need to open up the chat client and hit new room
[14:26] <davmor3> which is more user friendly I suppose but not so good when someone say /join #ubuntu for help
[14:27] <davmor3> fader: you might actually like the test is nice and clear
[14:27] <davmor3> text even
[14:27] <fader> I thought you'd know by now that I don't like *anything* :)
[14:29] <davmor2> fader: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/t-i.png
[14:29] <fader> Huh, not bad... looks a bit like xchat-gnome
[14:31] <davmor2> fader: but about a 10th of the disc space required due to empathy already being on there :)
[14:32] <fader> Heh
[14:35] <davmor2> telepathy-idle 221kb xchat-gnome 950kb but you also need xchat-gnome-common 5738kb
[14:35] <davmor2> but again it is far more basic but is idea for a new user who is just after some help :)
[14:38] <davmor2> fader: of course if this gets implemented then it will be even friendlier http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/WelcomeToEmpathy http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/AccountsAndSettings
[15:01] <davmor3> meh brasero won't burn from sftp on karmic
[15:39] <davmor2> Back laters guys stuff to do :(
[15:48] <fader> Lousy stuff
[20:04] <davmor2> yay back :)
[20:09] <sbeattie> davmor2: whenevr you get back, you'll want to pull the latest dl-iso script, I fixed a bug where it was loading each entire iso image into memory while hashing it.
[20:10] <davmor2> aha :)
[20:13]  * davmor2 tries the new script again should be blistering fast now then :)
[20:14] <sbeattie> well, dunno about that. :-)
[20:16] <davmor2> meh still not that quick I'm going to try it on karmic and see if 0.6 makes such a big difference
[20:25] <davmor3> sbeattie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/260502/ this is on karmic
[20:27] <sbeattie> ah. I didn't force-create the isoroot directory if it didn't exist; I'll fix.
[20:30]  * sbeattie is not seeing a significant speed difference on hardy.
[20:33] <davmor2> sbeattie: rsync alone has just blitzed through all of hardy and most of karmic in the time it has taken zsync to part way check the first iso
[20:34] <sbeattie> wacky
[20:34] <sbeattie> directory creation bug fixed.
[20:38] <sbeattie> davmor2: here, on hardy, I did 'time ./dl-ubuntu-test-iso.py --release karmic --flavor ubuntu --variant alternate --arch amd64 --no-verify' (an iso I have uptodate) with and without --no-zsync; the zsync version took 43 seconds to check, the rsync 51 seconds.
[20:40]  * sbeattie needs to get the --build option working, then we could test how long it takes to sync a daily build difference.
[20:41] <davmor3> sbeattie: I'll do a screencast you'll lol as you say on karmic it's just flown through maybe 10-20 seconds on hardy server it's more like 10-20 minutes  I'm wondering if it is because zsync didn't dl the image in the first place or if it's down the the fs on the server I have jfs running iirc
[20:42] <davmor3> actually I'll do a quick check on jaunty as that is the same zsync as hardy but has the ext3 fs and that will rule out zsync and leave it at the foot of the fs
[20:48] <davmor2> hey fader so were those test that I threw together okay?
[20:49] <davmor2> also did you speak to the guy about access to the google doc?
[20:49] <fader> davmor2: Yeah, they looked good, thanks!  I added a bit to some of them (mostly 'requires' bits that I knew would apply) and passed them on.
[20:50] <davmor2> fader: so it's okay to blitz through them and get the m out the way for you then :)
[20:50] <fader> I'm asking about the doc right now (sorry, slipped my mind)
[20:50] <fader> davmor2: Absolutely :)  Anything you feel like tackling we'd be thrilled.
[20:54] <davmor2> sbeattie: bizarre it's as blisteringly quick on jaunty to so it has to be the file system zsync must not like read write from jfs /me wonders off scratching head
[20:59] <davmor2> sbeattie: man that downloads fast on jaunty
[21:16] <davmor2> sbeattie: weird using --no-zsync  now it is downloading netbooks now but zsync didn't
[21:17] <sbeattie> odd.
[21:47] <sbeattie> davmor2: hunh, hardy+jfs is definitely slower here as well (compared to hardy+ext3); it takes zsync at least 3x times longer to examine and verify a complete iso (~45sec vs 2.5 min), and that's with the jfs partition being completely new and containing nothing else.
[21:48] <davmor3> sbeattie: yeah mine is probably a lot fuller :)
[21:48] <sbeattie> ... and fragmented as well.
[21:48] <davmor3> probably
[21:50] <davmor3> mind you I'm reading the official ubuntu server book at the moment and am thinking of doing an upgrade once I've finished going through it :)
[21:50] <sbeattie> xfs is not looking promising, given how long it's taking just to copy the existing isos over to it.
[21:50] <davmor2> meh double check might be on xfs actually
[21:51] <davmor2> no I was right jfs
[22:00] <sbeattie> sheesh, still copying to the xfs partition.
[22:01] <davmor2> I'm going with ext base next time I don't care if you have to wait from time to time I don't reboot that much once everything is setup anyway :)
[22:03]  * sbeattie uses ext3 everywhere, because he's seen people lose data with reiser3 and was utterly unimpressed back when he did a little trawling through the xfs code.
[22:04] <davmor2> sbeattie: I think add a warning that your dl will be crap unless you happen to be on ext based ssytem
[22:05] <sbeattie> I'm wondering if hardy doesn't have a serious xfs performance issue; though I should probably run it on live hardware rather the a vbox guest.