[00:09] <MTec007> SiDi, it was MPASM  and gpasm will compile it :)
[00:09] <SiDi> MTec007, :P
[00:09] <SiDi> did you mail them in the end ? :O
[00:09] <MTec007> too many ASM's if you ask me
[00:09] <MTec007> no
[00:09] <MTec007> :( i had to read a really hard to understand technical paper
[00:10] <MTec007> more like skimmed it, rather than read it
[00:16] <MTec007> it worked!
[00:17]  * MTec007 removes the ghastly windows partition for good now.
[00:17] <SiDi> :P
[00:18] <MTec007> i have a question for you, cant a windows virus infect wine/
[01:28] <MikeChelen> yes actually it can
[01:29] <MikeChelen> although it may have difficulty harming the system since most of the OS is absent
[02:03] <SiDi> MikeChelen, there is a paper from the wine devs about it
[02:03] <SiDi> it can but it will fail in the vast majority of the cases for different reasons
[02:03] <SiDi> which makes running windows apps safer on wine than on windows
[02:09] <yesitisjustme> on xubuntu the newest firefox is 3.0.13 can you install a newer firefox?
[02:19] <MikeChelen> SiDi, its interesting to explore, because with compatibility also comes some risk
[02:19] <SiDi> yeh, but most exploits use some flaws in windows functions
[02:19] <SiDi> if theyre implemented differently the flaws are different
[02:20] <SiDi> also, windows apis communicate with the windows kernel, not to some linux libs
[02:20] <SiDi> things like drivers, emulators and most viruses will never work on wine due to the different system architecture
[02:20] <SiDi> only higher level apps using well documented apis can work
[02:20] <MikeChelen> yesitisjustme, there is a firefox-3.5 package which will be enabled soon, try the shiretoko package until then which is rebranded ff3.5
[02:21] <SiDi> yesitisjustme, install firefox-3.5
[02:21] <SiDi> and remove the old one if you want to
[02:21] <yesitisjustme> ok thanks
[03:23] <RiVenoX> is anyone here familiar with xubuntu on the playstation 3? because i'm having issues installing it, even after following the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PlayStation_3
[03:27] <RiVenoX> that's about what i expected :D oh well
[07:41] <ceda_wrk> I can't find netboot files (initrd.gz and linux) for xubuntu
[07:42] <ceda_wrk> I usually do my upgrades/installs like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetbootInstallFromInternet
[07:54] <ceda_wrk> extracted from alternate-iso
[08:28] <tamas_> how to clean in xubuntu, like defrag or scandisk?
[08:44] <TheSheep> no need for that
[08:44] <TheSheep> fsck is done at startup
[08:44] <TheSheep> defrag is not needed
[08:48] <TheSheep> !fsck | ceda_wrk
[08:52] <_Pete_> "sudo touch /fastboot" = shutdown -f
[08:53] <_Pete_> or atleast sometimes was :)
[09:27] <tamas_> thanx for info
[12:26] <_Pete_> http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
[17:25] <rameshwor> hi guys.....  can i have xuubntu 9.04 in my 128 Ram computer ???
[17:27] <TheSheep> yes, but it will be slow
[17:27] <TheSheep> especially firefox
[17:27] <TheSheep> opera or chrome may be faster
[17:27] <rameshwor> TheSheep: ok and except the firefox part ?  any other means i can improve speed ?
[17:28] <TheSheep> sure, you can disable unneeded services
[17:29] <TheSheep> like cups when you are not printing
[17:29] <rameshwor> how can i disable unneeded services at startup ?
[17:29] <TheSheep> system->services
[17:29] <rameshwor> TheSheep :i'm just a general user, i do simple c/c++/java programming stuffs and then internet that's it .. i dont want others.
[17:30] <TheSheep> rameshwor: as long as you don't use eclipse for your editor...
[17:31] <rameshwor> TheSheep: any locations wher i can download xubuntu of 2005/2004  .  hoping that it runs better ..
[17:31] <TheSheep> I'm not sure
[17:31] <rameshwor> TheSheep: ?
[17:31] <TheSheep> I think the wiki has links
[17:32] <TheSheep> you may also consider other distros, such as dsl or archlinux
[17:32] <rameshwor> ok..
[17:33] <TheSheep> xubuntu has a pretty heavy kernel, so thast it works out of the box everywhere and with anything you connect...
[17:34] <rameshwor> TheSheep: what does it mean by it works out of the box / i have encountered it many times but...
[17:35] <TheSheep> rameshwor: imagine you buy something, take it out of the box, connect and it just works, without having to install or configure anything
[17:36] <rameshwor> TheSheep: oh, so no installing , driver stuffs needed  does it mean so ?
[17:36] <TheSheep> yes
[17:36] <TheSheep> in theory at least :)
[17:36] <TheSheep> but in theory, theory is the same as practice ;)
[17:37] <rameshwor> TheSheep: ok :)
[18:05] <gusig> sudo question
[18:06] <rameshwor> gusig: just put the question.. though i dont know other may help
[18:15] <SiDi> rameshwor, if you install Xubuntu, you can run it on 128MB
[18:15] <SiDi> you'll have to use the alternate CD to install
[18:15] <SiDi> once installed i recommand you to disable stuff like avahi and cups, to disable the daemons you dont need among : hardware notifier, update notifier, power manager, bluetooth applet
[18:16] <SiDi> but some distros are more adapted to very low amounts of RAM. 128 is the strict minimum for Xubuntu
[18:16] <rameshwor> SiDi: ok..
[18:17] <SiDi> (note that for kernel heaviness and daemons running you can disable them after install, but installing only what you need may be faster)
[18:17] <SiDi> if xubuntu is too slow, i recommand you to try puppylinux or damnSmallLinux
[18:17] <rameshwor> yes, i tried puppy linux..  but it doesn't feel like runnign full linux system. i feel something lacking here/there.  ..........
[18:18] <rameshwor> i'd be happy to get download link for ubuntu/xubuntu of 2005/2004   i feel it runs well.
[18:20] <SiDi> They're not supported anymore
[18:20] <SiDi> ie. no more repositories
[18:21] <SiDi> the oldest available is 2008.04
[18:21] <rameshwor> SiDi: that doesn't matter.  . can't i get from other computer s.?
[18:21] <SiDi> rameshwor, you wouldnt be able to get software
[18:22] <SiDi> ie. no java, no g++
[18:22] <SiDi> you wouldnt be able to use it for what you want to do
[18:22] <SiDi> because the ubuntu repositories for these versions are down
[18:22] <SiDi> and probably every of the mirrors too
[18:22] <rameshwor> SiDi: then it won't be good......  ok i think time to get a new computer...
[18:22] <SiDi> you can try xubuntu 8.04 / 9.04 and to lighten them a little
[18:22] <SiDi> but computers with 128 MB rams are indeed old :d
[18:23] <SiDi> It's over 8 years old, right, rameshwor ?
[18:23] <rameshwor> Of Course...
[18:23] <rameshwor> SiDi: actually i had 256  but one of the 128 got damaged..
[18:24] <SiDi> aw
[18:24] <SiDi> And which country do you live in ?
[18:24] <rameshwor> Nepal .
[18:25] <SiDi> That doesn't help to get hardware :/
[18:25] <rameshwor> SiDi: ? couldnt understand u.
[18:26] <SiDi> There aren't maybe computer shops in your country, right ?
[18:27] <rameshwor> SiDi: c'mon it's not that poor....... there are.   ..
[18:28] <SiDi> i know its not so poor that there aren't, but it must be more expensive than here, thats what i meant
[18:28] <rameshwor> SiDi: yes. it is expensive. and specially for a student like me.. difficult to afford...
[18:30] <rameshwor> what's general specifications of computer that people in your country buy ? i mean RAM / PROCESSOR ?
[18:32] <SiDi> people here are richer than me :P I'd say the average is a 2GHz processor, 2GB ram, 300GB HDD
[18:32] <rameshwor> how much does that cost ?
[18:32] <rameshwor> on average ?
[18:32] <SiDi> i'd say 500
[18:33] <SiDi> It used to be more expensive but with the netbook wave it became much more affordable :P
[18:33] <rameshwor> 500 dollars ?
[18:33] <SiDi> 500 €
[18:33] <SiDi> thats about 700 dollars
[18:34] <rameshwor> oo
[18:34] <SiDi> (ofc you can get a decent computer for ~400 dollars but the risk is that it burns 1 year and a half later :x)
[18:35] <SiDi> (most of the recent computers i see lived less time than my good old pentium 2)
[18:35] <rameshwor> lol.
[18:35] <rameshwor> and people generally do not keep old computers so it satisfy their every tasks..
[18:36] <SiDi> it depends.
[18:36] <SiDi> usually they give them to associations / libraries / schools
[18:36] <rameshwor> * though it .........
[18:36] <TheSheep> my good old XT is still working, and boots faster than my current pc
[18:36] <SiDi> some people indeed throw computers away, which is plain stupid >_> I still have my 2001 computer somewhere (quite far though :P)
[18:42]  * SiDi goes eat.
[18:42] <SiDi> rameshwor, let us know if you have trouble with Xubuntu install
[18:42] <SiDi> i'd try 8.04 if i were you. There probably wont be GPU drivers in 9.04 for your machine if its really old
[18:44] <rameshwor> SiDi: OK THANKS. I'LL LET YOU KNOW.. ..
[18:46] <rameshwor> SiDi: downloading that takes maybe a day. and then.. i'll come in this room to trouble you guys..
[19:11] <SiDi> rameshwor, aw, if you have a low bandwidth you can use the minimal CD, it weights 9 MB :d
[19:12] <SiDi> and then manually install xorg and xfce :P
[19:14] <rameshwor> SiDi: ok.
[19:14] <SiDi> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[19:14] <SiDi> This one for 8.04
[19:15] <SiDi> the md5sum is 7e29613f3ce780e79af3cbbcd1127200 if you wanna check after download, rameshwor
[19:15] <rameshwor> SiDi: thats  minimal ??
[19:17] <SiDi> Yes
[19:17] <SiDi> Once it's installed you'll have to install a lot of packages manually though, because it's _really_ minimal
[19:18] <SiDi> once it's installed you'll have a shell, basically. Then, install xfce4, xfce4-panel, xfwm4, and thunar, and it should pull in everything it needs
[19:19] <SiDi> that should weight much less than the 600 MB of the CD
[19:21] <rameshwor> ok but i think i'll go with the other one. because no headache of manual packaging.... just start the download let it run for a day  :)
[19:21] <SiDi> hehe as you wish
[19:33] <rameshwor> ok good bye guys. it's 12 midnigth i'm afraid.. i think i should go to bed..
[19:40] <SiDi> good night rameshwor
[19:42] <rameshwor> gudnit..
[21:15] <Pres-Gas> Hey, can someone volunteer their permissions of /dev/rtc for me?  I think I may have some issues with it.  Just do an simple "ls -l /dev|grep rtc".
[21:15] <Pres-Gas> Mine is
[21:15] <Pres-Gas> crw-rw----  1 root   root    254,   0 2009-08-25 17:09 rtc0
[21:15] <Pres-Gas> Note that rtc may be a link
[21:16] <Pres-Gas> so whatever it is pointing to
[21:21] <MTec007> Pres-Gas, ?
[21:21] <MTec007> Pres-Gas, i can show you mine if you still need it
[21:22] <Pres-Gas> MTec007, please do
[21:22] <MTec007> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root   root           4 2009-08-26 04:32 rtc -> rtc0
[21:22] <MTec007> crw-rw----  1 root   root    254,   0 2009-08-26 04:32 rtc0
[21:22] <Pres-Gas> that is the same bloody thing!!!
[21:23] <Pres-Gas> gerrr to VMware
[21:23] <MTec007> your missing a line?
[21:23]  * jarnos lost sounds in Xubuntu karmic.
[21:29] <SiDi> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-08-27 10:41 /dev/rtc -> rtc0
[21:30] <Pres-Gas> SiDi, and rtc0 is crw-rw---- root root?
[21:31]  * Pres-Gas wonders if I should have upgraded my VMware workstation from 6.5.2 to 6.5.3
[21:34] <SiDi> yes
[22:11] <MTec007> im interested in creating some kind of script, to run a program with certain parameters based on what the script paramaters were
[22:12] <knome> okay...
[22:13] <MTec007> what im trying to figure out is how i would create something like that. what is the format? maybe there is an example somewhere i can look at
[22:14] <knome> bash scripting would be what you want
[22:14] <knome> there are many tutorials on the internet
[23:48] <mxfr> Hi
[23:48] <forces> o7
[23:48] <mxfr> How can I disable restarting, shutting down etc.. from the login page?
[23:49] <mxfr> It's just very annoying when somebody shutdown my system when It was downloading stuff for 3 days :(
[23:50] <forces> block the screen
[23:51] <mxfr> how?
[23:56] <muxfr> or maybe I should just disable the options down there, if I changed the login screen.