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| hyperair | is anyone noticing notify-osd place notifications in in the middle-right portion of the screen | 08:42 |
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| mac_v | hyperair: are you subscribed to ayatana mail? | 08:50 |
| mac_v | ;) | 08:50 |
| hyperair | eh no i'm not | 08:50 |
| hyperair | why? | 08:50 |
| mac_v | hyperair: thats a new "Feature" | 08:50 |
| hyperair | ..what? | 08:50 |
| mac_v | MacSlow: just a small doubt , how are the bubbles classified? the ones over the line and the ones below the line? is it user triggered and non-user-triggered? | 08:52 |
| mac_v | hyperair: yup a feature | 08:52 |
| hyperair | this looks pretty annoying. | 08:52 |
| mac_v | hyperair: take it to the man ;) | 08:52 |
| hyperair | i didn't really like removing them actions on notifications, but at least that was tolerable | 08:53 |
| hyperair | this is *ridiculous* | 08:53 |
| MacSlow | mac_v, atm the sync. notifications appear above the "half line" and async. ones below it | 08:53 |
| mac_v | hmm... | 08:54 |
| hyperair | it looks like it's floating in the middle of nowhere. | 08:54 |
| * mac_v checks notify-osd wiki for sync and async difference | 08:54 | |
| hyperair | imo, i have text in the middle of the screen more often than at the corner | 08:55 |
| MacSlow | mac_v, synchronous bubble = feedback bubble | 08:55 |
| MacSlow | mac_v, e.g. like screen-brightness, volume etc. | 08:55 |
| mac_v | MacSlow: so those are usually user triggered right? except for switching from DC to AC , which is actually user triggered | 08:56 |
| mac_v | the async are just mail/wireless notifications and stuff | 08:56 |
| MacSlow | mac_v, correct | 08:56 |
| mac_v | MacSlow: ah... thanx :) | 08:56 |
| mac_v | hyperair: if you are irritated you *need* to discuss this in ayatana mailing list and convince sabdfl | 08:57 |
| hyperair | maybe i will. | 08:57 |
| hyperair | i still have to read through that entire thread first | 08:58 |
| Michalxo | hello MacSlow . What is going to happen with notifications? | 10:37 |
| MacSlow | Michalxo, could be a bit more specific with your question? | 10:39 |
| Michalxo | that irritating middle section.. will you move it to top/bottom right or are you going to keep it as it is now? | 10:40 |
| Michalxo | I like notifications very much, but that middle is *yuck* | 10:40 |
| mac_v | Michalxo: you need to express your dissent to ayatana mailing list | 10:43 |
| Michalxo | ok thank you :) | 10:44 |
| mac_v | Michalxo: the discussion has already started against the position , but awaiting a bigger response to revert to top | 10:45 |
| Michalxo | well.. few of us has already "signed" this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/419894 | 10:46 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 419894 in notify-osd "notify-osd images appear at the middle right of screen" [Undecided,Invalid] | 10:46 |
| mac_v | Michalxo: oh... didnt notice that bug , kindly add that bug in your response too :) | 10:47 |
| MacSlow | Michalxo, be sure to read the "New notification placement" thread there. | 10:47 |
| Michalxo | ayatana seems to be "down"? I can't connect to server | 10:47 |
| Michalxo | ok thank you very much guys :) | 10:48 |
| MacSlow | Michalxo, in http://macslow.net/?p=381 I explicitly wrote "experiment with centering bubbles vertically ..." | 10:48 |
| Michalxo | well.. I think I missed that.. but at first we thought it's a bug :) | 10:50 |
| Michalxo | silly questoin.. how can I respond on that mailing list? | 11:05 |
| Michalxo | I am not in any subscribed team... | 11:06 |
| shakaran | Micahlxo: Go to https://launchpad.net/~ayatana, near to "Members" section, click on "join the team" | 11:14 |
| Michalxo | ahaaa :) | 11:21 |
| * MacSlow -> lunch | 12:10 | |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| hyperair | what's the ayatana list address? | 13:03 |
| kholerabbi | ayatana@lists.launchpad.net I think | 13:05 |
| hyperair | alright, thanks | 13:05 |
| * hyperair is *very* annoyed with the new notify-osd behaviour | 13:06 | |
| hyperair | because some people appear to have in the top right corner, notify-osd now renders its notifications in the middle, right of the screen, as if i don't have things there >=( | 13:07 |
| hyperair | so much for staying out of my way. it's not blocking everything i do, from emails to terminals to web pages, among other things | 13:07 |
| hyperair | ugh | 13:08 |
| hyperair | hmm wait, there's already a thread about it | 13:11 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| hyperair | MacSlow: what do you think about the new notifications position, honestly? | 13:16 |
| mac_v | hyperair: everyone agrees they need to be back on top , but Mark is waiting for dissent from a lot of users , so pls show dissent ;) | 13:18 |
| mac_v | hyperair: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00557.html | 13:18 |
| hyperair | mac_v: i'm afraid i might not be able to keep a civil tone if/when i do begin showing dissent. | 13:18 |
| mac_v | hehe , we need to try :) | 13:19 |
| MacSlow | hyperair, I like it better (because it revmoves a bit of complexity from the code, if stays like that) :) | 13:19 |
| * mac_v > reboot | 13:19 | |
| hyperair | heh | 13:19 |
| hyperair | but it now gets in my way without fail :-( | 13:20 |
| hyperair | i have thunderbird in its three-pane layout mode, and hence the email contents are all squashed in the right side | 13:20 |
| hyperair | now, when a notification appaers, it completely blocks a few rows of text | 13:20 |
| hyperair | after my previous rant here, i was trying to keep an open mind about it, but when that happened while i was reading my mail, it seriously got on my nerves. | 13:22 |
| MacSlow | hyperair, I move the mouse over it and it fades | 13:22 |
| hyperair | MacSlow: yes, good idea. move your mouse over it. but there's another bug in that. | 13:22 |
| hyperair | MacSlow: have you tried having an entire *queue* of notifications? | 13:22 |
| hyperair | leave your mouse over it, and see what happens when the next notification comes in | 13:22 |
| hyperair | the new notification doesn't fade, and now i have to keep moving my mouse every time a new notification comes in | 13:23 |
| MacSlow | for that case we're considering to skip the initial fade-prevention | 13:23 |
| hyperair | i still find it annoying that it gets in my way. =\ | 13:24 |
| hyperair | just fyi, when i'm programming, i generally have a two-paned editor | 13:24 |
| hyperair | when a notification comes in, it completely blocks my view of the file on the right. | 13:24 |
| hyperair | and when you're using something like emacs or vim, chances are that one of the reasons you're using it is *because* you don't want to touch your mouse. | 13:25 |
| shakaran | I have a question. Why not make a GUI where the user can choose? | 13:26 |
| shakaran | Just a window with a dropdown list for the position. Many people would welcome this. | 13:27 |
| hyperair | yeah, i'm rather curious about that as well | 13:27 |
| mac_v | shakaran: why dont you ask on the ML? or MacSlow you wanna answer that ;p | 13:27 |
| shakaran | I do not mean that ML | 13:28 |
| mac_v | shakaran: hyperair: repeating from yesterday "if keep saying perfs MacSlow will strangle you ;)" | 13:28 |
| mac_v | ML= mailinglist | 13:29 |
| hyperair | mac_v: perfs? | 13:29 |
| mac_v | user preference for changing the position | 13:29 |
| hyperair | mac_v: and i'd say bring it on. i'm going to need someone to strange if notify-osd stays like this. | 13:30 |
| hyperair | strangle* | 13:30 |
| mac_v | lol | 13:30 |
| mac_v | its a tough coding , but sure coding help is welcome from all sources :) | 13:30 |
| * mac_v wonders what he has to do with notify-osd anyway and shuts up | 13:31 | |
| * hyperair stamps "User" on mac_v's forehead | 13:32 | |
| shakaran | Some users have made to customize the color patches, I've also seen patches to restore the former position | 13:32 |
| mac_v | correction "notify-osd User" ;) | 13:33 |
| hyperair | heh | 13:33 |
| shakaran | well, customization is needed | 13:33 |
| shakaran | If you give it to the users, you have more users and the more important thing, good desktop experience | 13:34 |
| * hyperair nods | 13:35 | |
| hyperair | it would be nice to be able to customize notify-osd even if gconf-editor needs to be used | 13:35 |
| hyperair | also it appears that i now get two updates available icons | 13:36 |
| hyperair | fun. | 13:36 |
| shakaran | or a simple file, only give the option | 13:36 |
| hyperair | too hackish | 13:36 |
| shakaran | well, I have to write this on ML for the record? | 13:37 |
| hyperair | go ahead, imo | 13:37 |
| hyperair | and while you're at it, please post a post dripping with sarcasm about the whole change in position on my behalf. | 13:37 |
| hyperair | sarcasm being the most important ingredient. | 13:37 |
| hyperair | don't quote me, though | 13:38 |
| shakaran | dont respect is more important | 13:38 |
| hyperair | ? | 13:38 |
| hyperair | nono respect is important. be very polite | 13:39 |
| shakaran | Sarcasm is not a good way to ask for things. | 13:39 |
| hyperair | dissent needs to be shown ;) | 13:40 |
| * hyperair shuts up before he leads anybody astray | 13:40 | |
| MacSlow | mac_v, shakaran, hyperair: I really don't like preferences in general... it is usually a sign that interaction-design failed or missed something... furthermore it makes code more complex, in order to avoid or intercept "stupid" inputs. | 13:56 |
| hyperair | MacSlow: but lack of preferences makes software rigid and takes away freedom of choice, somewhat | 13:57 |
| shakaran | yeah notify-osd is being rigid more and more | 13:57 |
| MacSlow | mac_v, shakaran, hyperair: and once you start to move in that direction, the tendency is to have people tweak the s**t out of things... just look at the gazillion options you can tweak in compiz and its plugins | 13:57 |
| hyperair | MacSlow: you're looking at an extreme case. | 13:58 |
| MacSlow | hyperair, shakaran: finding the right balance here is the "art" I guess. | 13:58 |
| hyperair | imo just a little bit of tweaking would be nice | 13:58 |
| shakaran | yes, but your balance for now is zero prefs | 13:58 |
| mac_v | MacSlow: i really dont care much for prefs , but would be fun to have , just bling for me... | 13:58 |
| shakaran | if the people make a lot patch for prefs you could include in the official branch | 13:59 |
| MacSlow | shakaran, there is some work for gconf in the pipe already... but it'll take some time before I can turn to that. | 14:00 |
| hyperair | hmm nice | 14:01 |
| shakaran | Well, it's a start | 14:01 |
| hyperair | actually i don't really care about prefs as long as it works nicely for me (and appearing in the middle of my screen is *not* nice. | 14:01 |
| ScottK | MacSlow: Unless you assume everyone is the same and uses a computer the same way, I don't see how preferences are avoidable. It's not just getting design right. | 14:03 |
| MacSlow | ScottK, some tweaks will be possible (afore mentioned gconf work) I just stated my general/personal view on the topic... and the ultimate goal of interaction-design (ok it's a bit utopian :) | 14:06 |
| hyperair | we'd all have to be clones of each other for one size to fit all | 14:06 |
| ScottK | Unfortunately, at least so far, the lack of configurability has been the source of a lot of resistance from people. I'd care a lot less about default config if things could be changed to suit. | 14:07 |
| tgpraveen1 | MacSlow: does the ppa of notify-osd for jaunty have vertical placement of notifications | 14:07 |
| MacSlow | tgpraveen1, I don't know which PPA you're talking about. I did not create one. | 14:07 |
| LordMetroid | How do I join the mailing list? | 14:11 |
| LordMetroid | I want to send a message | 14:11 |
| hyperair | launchpad.net/~ayatana | 14:12 |
| LordMetroid | There we go | 14:15 |
| LordMetroid | thank you | 14:16 |
| mac_v | lololol , notify-osd is creating more interest than the update notifier ;p | 14:23 |
| Mark__T | tedg: ping | 15:01 |
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| tedg | Good morning Mark__T | 15:04 |
| zoomy942 | good morning | 15:16 |
| Mark__T | tedg: I get 'undefined symbol: indicate_indicator_set_property_icon' with pidgin-libnotify 0.14 | 15:55 |
| Mark__T | I guess my indicator patches aren't up to date | 15:56 |
| Mark__T | anyway, gtg | 15:58 |
| tedg | Ah, he left. | 15:59 |
| tedg | Yes, you need libindicate-gtk... | 15:59 |
| tedg | If someone sees him tomorrow... can you mention that? | 15:59 |
| tedg | kenvandine: Do you know Mark__T's mail by chance? | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | mark@foresightlinux.org | 16:00 |
| tedg | kenvandine: Thanks, mail sent. | 16:08 |
| mac_v | hm... weird, the messaging menu , indicates a new message and as soon as i access evolution via the menu , it changes to regular icon , even when mail is not read... is that the design ? or a bug? | 16:18 |
| mac_v | on the contrary if i access from evolution from the window list , the indication does not change | 16:18 |
| mac_v | *access evolution from | 16:19 |
| tedg | mac_v: It should change back no mater how you select evolution. | 16:19 |
| mac_v | tedg: nope it does not , i checked several times , selecting from the window list does not change the status , [oh i'm using cairo-dock , would that have something to do?] | 16:20 |
| tedg | mac_v: Shouldn't. File a bug in evolution-indicator if there isn't one already. | 16:20 |
| mac_v | hmm... ok | 16:21 |
| mac_v | actually i think the indication should change only when all the mail is read , not simply on selecting the app ;) so i'm gonna let this bug stay ;p | 16:22 |
| mac_v | BTW tedg ,what is the icon indicator-red gonna be used for? | 16:23 |
| tedg | mac_v: I'm not aware of an indicator-red... where is it? | 16:24 |
| tedg | Infact, I don't have it on my system :) | 16:24 |
| mac_v | tedg: .. humanity icon theme has a new 3rd icon , indicator-messages-red | 16:25 |
| mac_v | since that icon theme is directed heavily by sabdfl , i was wondering maybe new feature :) | 16:25 |
| tgpraveen1 | already in feature freeze | 16:26 |
| tgpraveen1 | so unlikely | 16:27 |
| tgpraveen1 | mac_v: btw mind uploading the icor a ss | 16:27 |
| tgpraveen1 | icon or SS | 16:27 |
| mac_v | tgpraveen1: that was there a long before | 16:27 |
| tgpraveen1 | ohok | 16:27 |
| mac_v | tgpraveen1: SS? | 16:27 |
| tgpraveen1 | screen shot | 16:27 |
| mac_v | tgpraveen1: just do ~$ bzr branch lp:humanity | 16:28 |
| mac_v | by long before i mean around 1-2 weeks :) | 16:29 |
| tgpraveen1 | hi i wanted to know what was decided for notification for fullscreen apps | 16:45 |
| tgpraveen1 | how will it be handled in karmic i rmeember a long discussion taking place | 16:45 |
| tgpraveen1 | what is the final decision? | 16:46 |
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| natewiebe13 | probably asked too many times.. but what is the status of notify-osd? (is it being changed back to the top or is there going to be an option as to the location?) | 16:49 |
| natewiebe13 | anyone? | 16:54 |
| MacSlow | tgpraveen1, from what I remember the IM-status should be used to determine if or if not to suppress non-critical/urgent notifications. | 17:03 |
| MacSlow | gee... some folks are impatient | 17:04 |
| DanRabbit | mac_v: I don't know what it is | 17:06 |
| DanRabbit | it was in Human so I just made one ;D | 17:06 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: yeah , some knows what it is for but who ? | 17:07 |
| mac_v | ;p | 17:07 |
| mac_v | someone* | 17:07 |
| DanRabbit | haha | 17:07 |
| DanRabbit | I bet ken put it in there just to make us freak out | 17:07 |
| mac_v | kenvandine: booo , | 17:08 |
| mac_v | any ideas what the icon indicator-messages-red is for? | 17:08 |
| kenvandine | away | 17:08 |
| kenvandine | i assume | 17:08 |
| DanRabbit | mac_v: I named it wrong :) | 17:08 |
| DanRabbit | it's supposed to be new-messages-red | 17:09 |
| kenvandine | oh | 17:09 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: booo to you too! | 17:10 |
| DanRabbit | haha, see I have no idea what I'm doing :) | 17:10 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: i confused tedg with the wrong label | 17:10 |
| DanRabbit | I just draw things | 17:10 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: btw.. interested in drawing an icon for Software store? | 17:11 |
| mac_v | or hands already full ;p | 17:11 |
| DanRabbit | Software Store? | 17:11 |
| mac_v | app center = software store | 17:12 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore/Icons | 17:12 |
| DanRabbit | oh | 17:13 |
| DanRabbit | cool | 17:13 |
| DanRabbit | the little store ones are cute, but it doesn't really look like anything :D | 17:13 |
| mac_v | yeah i too think its cute , just needs a bit of touch up | 17:14 |
| DanRabbit | too much detail for a small space | 17:15 |
| DanRabbit | plus, optical media | 17:15 |
| DanRabbit | we don't use optical media | 17:15 |
| DanRabbit | it's going away | 17:15 |
| DanRabbit | so those icons are going to have to go away pretty soon :) | 17:15 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: the progress icon is in the branch , they are jsut figuring a way to animate it ;) , the rest are still open to ideas | 17:18 |
| mac_v | just* | 17:18 |
| DanRabbit | sweet :D | 17:18 |
| DanRabbit | yea, the progress looks goof | 17:18 |
| DanRabbit | good* | 17:18 |
| mac_v | goofy? ;0 | 17:18 |
| DanRabbit | I meant to put good :) | 17:18 |
| * mac_v was just teasing ;) | 17:22 | |
| DanRabbit | mac_v: hmm, I'll think about it | 17:33 |
| DanRabbit | right now I can't think of anything better than the generic package installer icon I have now :) | 17:34 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: me too , totally blank :( | 17:34 |
| === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno | ||
| Mark__T | tedg: so what can I do to make pidgin-notify work again? | 21:19 |
| tedg | Mark__T: You just need to add "indicator-gtk" to the PKG_CONFIG check. | 21:21 |
| tedg | Mark__T: Sorry, indicate-gtk | 21:21 |
| Mark__T | okay thx | 21:21 |
| Mark__T | can't try before monday though | 21:22 |
| tedg | Mark__T: Oh, and probably a "#include <libindicate-gtk/indicator.h>" | 21:22 |
| Mark__T | will you ship these new splitup packages with 09.10? | 21:25 |
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| tedg | Mark__T, yes. | 21:53 |
| * tedg misses jabber. | 21:53 | |
| djsiegel_ | mrooney|w: hey, can you try to find where this bug belongs? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/387791 | 22:16 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 387791 in hundredpapercuts ""Do not disconnect" and "ok to disconnect" device notifications should not use the same icon" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 22:16 |
| mrooney|w | Surely! | 22:16 |
| mrooney|w | Want to unsubscribe papercutters from all papercut bugs? ;) | 22:16 |
| djsiegel_ | mrooney|w: hmm? | 22:27 |
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