[02:59] !seen ogra [02:59] I have no seen command [02:59] You mean: I didn't see the command. [02:59] Or are you polish ? [03:08] are you talking to the bot again? [03:19] Evening all [03:33] `bot? [03:33] what bot? [03:33] * ace_suares winks at Alan [03:33] The info bot running in the channel [03:34] cant we use the ltsp bot, that has the !seen command (ubottu has not) [03:34] Hey I am forfeiting a trip to a small uninhabited island tomorrow, so the meeting better be good! [03:41] Awwwwww [03:42] If it isn't, you gonna get your money back? :) [03:42] Just the tought of it being not, is making me reconsider :-) [03:45] What would make it NOT worth it, I wonder? [03:45] Low attendace, dwindling focus, multitasking... [03:46] Multitasking? [03:47] Yeah like playing warzone and debugging IO.string.jar and phoning your mom during the meeting [03:48] As for low attendence, even if everyone shows up, it's low attendance. [03:48] oh yah, i don't agree with that, work with wath you have eh. [03:49] I am going to watch some tedtalks. See you tamara! [03:49] If I make it. I may be talking to my mom. [03:51] highvoltage: About? === nixternal is now known as handbag_henry === handbag_henry is now known as nixternal === dgroos_ is now known as dgroos [05:36] Good morning [06:17] good morning alkisg === alkisg is now known as alkisg1 [14:42] Morning all [14:43] So, what time's the meeting today? [14:46] Hi sbalneav! 17:00 utc, wasn't it? [14:47] !date [14:47] Sorry, I don't know anything about date [14:51] !meeting [14:51] Edubuntu meetings are (usually) held weekly on Wednesdays, alternating between 12:00 UTC and 20:00 UTC. « @schedule » may show when the next one will be, otherwise check the !fridge. All welcome! [14:51] @schedule [15:06] heh, that was some time ago === alkisg1 is now known as alkisg [16:03] man the meeting isnt even listed in the fridge [16:04] ace_suares: No-ones listed it there, I guess [16:05] sbalneav: logical, so locgical [16:05] Occam's razor is so very, very sharp :) [16:06] LaserJock usually handles a lot of the "administrivia" of Edubuntu. Since he's in the process of moving, some of that sort of thing isn't getting done. [16:08] 17:00 utc is 13:00 GMT-4, right? [16:10] ace_suares: give date -u in a terminal [16:14] Fri Aug 28 15:14:37 UTC 2009 [16:15] and it's Fri Aug 28 11:15:00 AST 2009 [16:15] so 4 hrs difference [16:15] 13+4=17 [16:15] I added it to the fridge as in the wiki mentioned it doesn't show up yet [17:30] Meeting in 30m? [17:37] Svenstaro: yep [18:05] So meeting on? [18:05] Svenstaro: yes, in #ubuntu-meeing [18:05] meeting [18:31] hi everyone [18:31] i need some help [18:32] !ask | mercurous23 [18:32] mercurous23: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [18:34] i have problems with the quit button, it is just closing the toolbar without showing the logoff, shutdown and restart window. [18:34] This on a full desktop, or on a thin client? [18:35] full desktp [18:38] What happens if you hit control-alt-del? [18:39] it shows the shutdown options [18:39] it might be just the quit applet? [18:40] Could be. Does this happen all the time, or after a reboot it's ok? [18:42] yes it happens all the time [18:43] Then I'd remove the app from the panel, and try re-adding it. [18:43] i already tried that [18:44] didnt solve it [18:45] Hm [18:45] Does the logout dialog from the system menu work? [18:45] All your updates are up to date? [18:45] Sounds like some kind of dbus monkeyshines. [18:46] yes all are up to date [18:46] well i could just use the ctl-alt-del command to shutdown [18:46] Does alkisg's suggestion work? [18:47] yes it does work [18:47] Hm, so it's just the app on the panel, eh? [18:47] mercurous23: do you mind resetting the panels? should I give you the command? [18:47] Weird. [18:47] okay [18:47] Yeah, that was what I was going to suggest next. [18:48] A --recursive-unset [18:48] gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel [18:50] thank you guys it is working now [18:50] i am also having problem with firefox [18:51] i could not run it with going to terminal and using the sudo command [18:52] Running firefox with sudo? Why?!!! [18:55] it will always say that firefox is already running when i tried to do normal launch [18:55] sorry i am still new with ubuntu [18:57] Then you've probably got a dead one in the background somewhere [18:57] ps -ef | grep firefox [19:01] it will always say that firefox is already running but is not responding even if I restart the system [19:01] ah [19:02] ok. lets do this: [19:02] cd .mozilla/firefox [19:02] ls [19:03] should have something like wdiudv75.default [19:03] some seqence of random numbers/letters.default [19:03] yes [19:03] cd into that [19:03] i think that is the profile [19:03] right? [19:03] you got it [19:03] ls -l .parentlock lock [19:04] got a .parentlock? [19:05] if so, just rm .parentlock [19:05] yes [19:05] then you should be able to start firefox normally [19:06] ok, I have to head out. alkisg, can you give mercurous23 any more help he needs? [19:07] Sure sbalneav, have a nice afternoon [19:07] Never trust greeks bearing gifts, but *always* trust greeks in IRC channels :) [19:07] Have fun my friend. [19:08] Heh :) bye bye [19:11] i still got the same problem. I think i got 2 profiles on it. Do you know the command to delete the profile? [19:12] mercurous23: firefox -ProfileManager [19:15] do you know this sqlite files are for? [19:16] alkisg my firefox is now working [19:16] thanks [19:16] great help [19:16] The sqlite files are there to store your bookmarks and other stuff, don't delete them [19:16] You're welcome [19:17] bye need to get some sleep it is 2am here =) === dgroos_ is now known as dgroos === vorian is now known as stevie === |Baby| is now known as Baby [22:17] aaarcgh... missed the meeting [22:17] jeez, I slept through it [22:17] can someone tell me what I missed [22:17] I read from the email something about Sugar [22:18] I'd like to be involved with that as I need to package it for guadalinex anyway, which is based on Ubuntu [22:27] nubae: you didn't miss much, except maybe for your membership once again :P [22:27] ace_suares is going to work on the wiki, and sbalneav on sabayon & docs [22:27] well, i seee there is another meet for next week [22:27] Sugar was mentioned, but just barely at the end [22:27] which is better for me as Ill have pyclic ready by then [22:28] so can get some people psyched to test it [22:28] Nice. [22:28] nubae: I tried with nbd instead of nfs. Yeah, it was twice as fast [22:29] hdparm -tT /dev/nbd0 showed 10MB/sec for 100mbps network [22:29] That's good. But of course gigabit would be like a native disk [22:30] The downside is that it's not really live (the partition must not be mounted). The good side is that one can boot with that partition and administer it as usual [22:30] ...and of course ltsp-update-image etc isn't needed. [22:37] right... cool [22:37] the biggest isue with nfs isnt even speed though [22:37] its reliability [22:37] it will disconnect, and when it does make the systems temporarily unusable... teachers reallly dont like that [22:37] Sounds strange though, for such a widely-used file system... [22:37] well, its an old system [22:38] times have changed [22:38] :-/ I mostly don't like this because of /home, I don't like rsynching stuff... [22:38] i have personally always see it have problems, and talking to the guadalinex folks that created this special local cache using rsync and reconnecting to nfs every 5 mins... guaranteed me that it has always had problems [22:39] well... its a patch hack for sure... the solution uis not to use nfs [22:39] anyways decision was made today here to NOT use ltsp becuase it was too reliant on the network [22:40] So what will you use? [22:40] and we cant be sure our province wide networks are all cabled properlz [22:40] the simples solution possible [22:40] xrdp? freenx? [22:40] Or just cloning? [22:40] xmpp, and totally local machines [22:41] yeah net based cloning, we have a customised system [22:41] Hm? you mean xdmcp? [22:41] thopugh we are looking for a c coder that could implement p2p like distribution within debinstaller [22:41] no I mean xmpp [22:41] jabber [22:41] Jabber? [22:41] yes... ud be amazed what that protocol can do [22:41] everyone thinks its just a chat server [22:42] but its a hell of a lot more [22:42] and its super stable, very scalable [22:42] and not reliant on a constant net connection [22:42] ...but what can it do? Can it expose a file system? [22:45] think of it like tcp [22:46] u set up a xmpp serve [22:46] server [22:46] hi nubae, what are you doing! [22:46] and using the xep extensions, there are hundreds [22:46] hey hey.... [22:46] asanchez: is one of my coworkers at guadalinex [22:46] hi [22:46] my boss! [22:46] hi all! [22:46] ;-) [22:46] I'm your partner, not your boss! [22:47] yeah yeah :-) [22:47] paractically partner [22:47] technically boss [22:47] ;-) [22:47] :) [22:47] alkisg was working on a fatclient realtime partition system [22:48] or... how would u describe it alkisg [22:48] ? [22:48] Hmmm I can see a lot of extensions there: http://xmpp.org/extensions/ but are they implemented somehow? [22:48] Yup, that describes it about right [22:48] i told him maybe we are interested in seeing what it is [22:48] alkisg: yeah many clients have them implemented... even things like share desktop, whiteboard [22:48] collaboration [22:48] of course, any knowledge is welcome [22:49] video, audio sophisticated chatrooms [22:49] It seems easy to handle, as it doesn't involve a chroot. The teacher just manages a desktop pc, and it's disk is shared with the other PCs [22:49] sharing of files from a bot like service [22:49] liek config files could be sent for example... imagine the italc stucture being sent for each classroom [22:49] asanchez: alkisg works in the Greek school systenm+ [22:50] has the ear of many greek teachers [22:50] interesting! [22:50] he has done some interesting hacks to italc too [22:50] The problem is that ltsp, and linux in general, is not very widely used in greece :( [22:51] ?lkisg: whjat was it u did for italc again [22:51] we use it quite lot at guadalinex [22:51] But there's interest in it from the ministry and from some teachers... I hope it get used more in the future [22:51] nubae: just some bug fixes, I didn't do much for it [22:52] i thought u added some feature [22:52] and also ure work on dnsmasq [22:52] Nah... yeah, mostly dhcp-related stuff, for remote booting [22:52] to stabalise network right? [22:53] And to make remote booting easier. E.g. here we use dual boot machines, windows + ltsp [22:53] ah yeah, we force users to use linux or linux [22:53] So I did what I could to make it easier to install gpxe to the windows bootloader... [22:54] asanchez: u know sabayon? [22:54] Also, we use cheap routers as dhcp servers, so I asked the dnsmasq and gpxe developers to implement a part of the pxe standard that would make it easier to boot ltsp clients without adding a second dhcp server [22:54] we use an older version of ItalC because we made some hard code to fit our needs, maybe we could take a look at the new versions [22:55] nubae, I do [22:55] its been quit improved now [22:55] though i guess itn doest have much use in guadalinex [22:55] iTlac 2.0 will have some major improvements, to speed as well. I hope it gets out soon... [22:57] asanchez: vagrant cascadian put me in contact with the main tech guy at linex [22:57] i'll cc u correspondence ok? [22:57] ok, thanks [22:58] alkisg: can u list some of the improvements of italc 2.0? [22:59] btw.. asanchez = Technical director of Guadalinex-edu [22:59] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=200812281333.43713.tobias.doerffel@gmail.com&forum_name=italc-devel [22:59] audio troubleshooting classroom starts at #ubuntu-classroom, see u later [22:59] bye [23:01] wow management interface for italc 2 sounds nice [23:03] * alkisg doesn't really like vnc... I'd prefer a freenx-based solution, or even better something with multicasting for demo mode :) [23:04] freenx wojuld rock.... guadalinex has a multicasting app, but just for vlc i believe [23:04] an inhouse app [23:04] think u ended up doing something similar [23:05] It didn't use multicasting. Just plain old gstreamer pipelines... [23:06] thats what we did i believe... we call it virtual net cannon [23:06] as it shoots out to the machines in question [23:07] but allows teacher to control session [23:07] A program that would *multicast* (so that it would give 30+ fps) the teacher screen would be priceless... [23:07] welll maybe tke a look at this program [23:07] might give ideas... think its python based [23:08] Are the sources available? [23:08] very popular with the teachers [23:08] everything we do is software libre so shol [23:08] should be [23:08] yeah, we could upload sources to launchpad [23:08] "virtual net cannon" doesn't return anything in google.... [23:09] asanchez: would be good, u never know people might improve on it [23:09] asanchez: that'd be nice [23:09] or give ideas [23:10] yeah, maybe a new project at lauchpad could be the easiest way to do that [23:10] everything is in spanish: http://murgitic.blogspot.com/2007/02/crv-can-de-red-virtual.html [23:11] bueno, I can translate it [23:11] sweet google translate :) [23:12] yes, but i think code is in spanish too [23:12] our coworker luis is the main coder of CRV [23:15] I like your education submenus... ours is flat :) http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/temp/education-menu.png [23:18] yes edu menus in guadalinex-edu are indeed very well thought out [23:18] we had input from teachers I thnk [23:18] think [23:18] we have recently adopted edubuntu menu system in Guadalinex [23:20] So how many PCs use linux in spain, approximately? [23:20] (in education) [23:22] well.... think of it this way, we manage 4400 schools [23:23] or some number close to that [23:23] in spain i don't know exactly [23:23] Woah... that's a lot of schools [23:23] schools have between 100-600 students I think [23:23] asanchez knows better though [23:23] he can confirm [23:23] in Andalusia we have nowadays 265.000 and we are going to increment this number before end of this year with 187.100 netbooks [23:24] yes, we are amongst the largest edu distributions in practice in the world [23:24] end goal is every student with a netbook, verdad? [23:24] I hope Greece can learn something from you :( [23:24] asanchez mentioned something very interesting todaz [23:24] today [23:25] Heh german layout ? [23:25] before 2012, our goal is 1 computer per 2 students [23:25] basically, everyone is looking to see what we do [23:25] with our netbook deal [23:25] forced guinny pigs [23:25] guinea pigs [23:25] although we are going to start to give 1 netbook per children at primary school [23:26] Greece will also offer netbooks this September, but only for 1 class (= kids 13 y.o.) [23:26] But I don't know if that will continue next year... [23:26] our system is, the gov. gives the netbooks to the students and teachers [23:26] so they can take them home, etc [23:27] we have to change our model because now students are going to use netbook also at home [23:27] but we only support linux, so if they install windows they are on their own [23:27] this will be a big rpoblem [23:27] the other problem is connectivity to the net from home [23:28] like... should we alow them to connect to any place... (should there be flters hardcoded in?) [23:28] after 6 years of experience, here people prefer linux because they have direct support [23:28] its all totally poltiical [23:28] nubae, i think this is one way to give support at home [23:29] that is the real advantage... students when going into uni actually ask for linux [23:29] and at home to their parents [23:29] trhez wont tolerate windoze [23:29] thats super duper! [23:29] All that in 6 years? !!! [23:29] why computer at home are so bored? where is tuxracer? :D [23:30] hey... theyve done a hell of a lot... most of the group (at least in development / tech) are some of the best in their fields [23:30] they really know their suff [23:31] yeah, we are so lucky with our team and with nubae now! [23:31] so we work within the absurd demands of the ministry (asanches can give u horror stories for hours) [23:31] hehe [23:31] aww..... [23:31] hahaha [23:31] * nubae blushes [23:32] yeah the team rocks... being able to bounce ideas off each other like that rocks [23:33] in all the other situations I was in, I was almost always working alone [23:33] much harder and half the fun [23:33] It's really nice that you also do developement, and it would be even better if you could share it somehow... [23:33] I think you're going to send some fixes for the ecubuntu education menus? [23:34] yeah, I think we are now at good political situation to publish part of our work [23:34] heh, I was told today that we have a fulltime canonical dev that kinda works for us, based on the money he is paid for an official support contract [23:34] asanchez: thats a really good point [23:35] we need to some whitepapers and start sending to journals/magazines [23:35] get our name (guadalinex-edu) out there [23:35] I think our deployment system its suitable for a paper (and we need this paper to :D) [23:36] I hav contacts with British press, but article in wired, linux format, new scientist, etc would be unbeliavably cool [23:36] * nubae hides from the documentation work [23:36] our "public relations man" has a lot of contacts [23:36] constant struggle here [23:37] no problem, I like doc and slides, I can do that work [23:38] * nubae and asanchez are kinda PR men too but from a tech perspective [23:39] me cuase somehow I got sucked into ubuntu, oopensuse, and wired membership [23:39] btw.... totally oiff note, did u see SCO is suing novell and IBM again [23:39] some court somewhere overturned their appeal to the ownership of unix and linux [23:40] emm..... wired should = sugar membership [23:40] doh [23:45] asanchez: una cosa.,... si me invitan a conferencias (un ejemplo es una para suse en Octubre) hay forma de tomar parte, reresentando guadalinex y haceindo una presentation? [23:46] me imagino que a la mejor podria coger esos dias, pero no se pagaria nada, verdad? [23:48] lo mismo con un despliege /infrstructuración en Madgascar [23:48] nubae, todas las salidas por parte del proyecto tienen que ser aprobadas por la dirección, si la dirección la aprueba no hay problema [23:49] vale eso lo entiendo, pero es algo que puede pasar, o es muy dificil?? [23:49] es que yo veo que asi ganamos información muy importante [23:50] y la verdad es que es ipmortante que alguien que este metido de verdad en estas comunidades vaya... es decir... no solo para el tema de marketing [23:50] more information sourcing, intellegence gathering [23:52] i think it could be possible if your company is agree [23:53] sadiel in this case? [23:53] yes [23:53] ok, I would have to talk to them? [23:53] sorry, i have to help my brother with his final degree project at university [23:54] ah no problem... good luck, I go to bed now anyway [23:54] Ilöl ask another day [23:54] yes, i think Jorge could have more information, i don't know exactly how that works in your co. [23:55] * nubae waves and tunes out