[00:01] Is there a reason that my secondary hard drive doesn't show up in the kicker menu? === keith is now known as lifesaglitch === lifesaglitch is now known as keith === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang === jon_ is now known as Dragon_Master [00:20] damn! [00:20] how can i go to another channel! [00:20] m lost, there are too many years since i login to this irc === Xnet0 is now known as JavaTheJHut === JavaTheJHut is now known as Pseudonym === matthew is now known as Guest30658 === liberfiasco is now known as libervisco [00:55] why is it in kopete that my avatar (an image with a transparent background) has a black background and the quality is reduced a lot [01:00] may be kopete convert your image to jpg [01:04] well any way to make it not lol [01:04] other people's avatars don't look that bad [01:06] hmm in .kde/share/apps/kopete/avatars/User/ I can see my avatar and they are all pngs and are in the original quality [01:07] oh wait I found the jpg.. lol it's awful looking I'll replace it and see what happen [01:10] nice it still looks like crap === aaroncampbell__ is now known as aaroncampbell [01:15] kopete handles avatars like crap === dad_ is now known as Guest68423 [01:22] anyone happen to know if there is an intel graphics channle here in freenode? [01:25] hello to all [01:29] hey [01:32] how are you [01:34] how is your day blue === jeremy is now known as Riobe === patrick is now known as Guest11811 [01:54] does going on standby work more than once as mine does not display thee screen on the secind time [01:54] and i have this problem with windoze xp [01:54] on my dualboot laptop [01:54] but when it was originally vista it was finw [01:54] e [01:58] Hello, I've been messing around with what I think is a common problem. Has anyone gotten audio to work with flash in kubunutu 9.04? [02:06] Riobe: yes, I have, it just worked out of the box, useing the adobe/macromedia version [02:08] avihayb: That's odd. It won't work for me. I've done "sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin" and "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" and neither helped. [02:21] hellow [02:21] #samarinda [02:21] samarinda [02:21] test test [02:26] I can't install my VGA Driver can anyone help me plz? [02:48] hello, I have no sound playback and I'm using hardy, anyone help? [02:52] I need help with XSane. I scanned a picture, and it was like 400 MB's but then i went to scan another picture, and it's done in like 2 seconds, with nothing in the preview. The resolution is saying 0x0x24, but i can't seem to change it. I don't know how it got there [03:25] Will Kubuntu recognize my wireless card as easily as Ubuntu does? [03:25] Bookman: should, yes [03:25] the graphical stuff is all thats different. kernel's the same [03:26] I'm using the B43 wireless driver [03:27] I guess I'll give it a shot and see [03:27] kubuntu is the best! [03:28] lots of fun [03:28] Let's see what happens. I'll check back in. [03:29] Hello, does anyone know how to get audio working with Flash in kubuntu 9.04? [03:29] I've tried multiple solutions now and nothing seems to be doing it. [03:30] I have adobe-flashplugin installed. === Kernel is now known as Wicked [03:46] I don't seem to be able to connect to my wireless router like I do in Ubuntu. I go to Network Settings and then try to type in my Wireless WEP code and then press ok. I go back to that same screen and my code is gone. It never seems to take it. [03:46] Riobe: It might help others help you if you specify what browser(s) you're having the problem with. I've been using Opera 10 b2 and I have the opposite problem (flash audio works but video doesn't) [03:47] dwidmann_: That is quite odd... o.O I'm using Firefox and seeing the issue. [03:49] Firefox 3.0.13 to be exact. [03:52] Anyone with any idea how to solve the wireless issue? I'm pretty sure this is why I didn't go any further with Kubuntu last time I tried it :( [03:53] If I do recall correctly, pulseaudio related stuff can cause some trouble with regards to firefox+flash, Riobe [03:53] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 Bookman this may help [03:55] bazhang: but it works in Ubuntu with no issues. Just not in Kubuntu. [03:56] Bookman: you could probably use gnome's network manager app without issue === jon is now known as Guest34183 [03:57] dwidmann_: I don't know that I can play audio at all, which makes me think I might not have an audio driver or something. [03:57] I just downloaded an mp3 and tried to play it with amarok which refuses to load it or try to play it. [03:57] Riobe_: do you have libxine1-ffmpeg installed? [03:58] No idea. [03:58] I'll check it out. [03:58] Nope [03:58] You might want to install that if you want to play mp3's with amarok [03:58] dwidmann_: maybe. I just thought it would be easier that's all. With whatever is provided with Kubuntu [03:59] how is channel brazilian, please!! [03:59] !br [03:59] Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [03:59] Bookman: wouldn't count on that one ... [04:00] dwidmann_: Got you. I will stick with Ubuntu then. [04:00] Bookman: you could still use kubuntu with gnome's networkm manager app... no need to abandon the desktop for one deficiency [04:01] My audio playback device always fails. Does that mean I need a driver? [04:01] I'm not sure how to search for Linux drivers. [04:02] Riobe_: if there's a driver available for your sound, there's a 95+% chance that you already have it. [04:03] Riobe_: to see what driver it's trying to use, open a terminal and type in "lspci | grep snd" [04:03] dwidmann_: Then I have no idea what's wrong. I haven't heard my pc make any audio except the sounds the OS makes during login and logout since I started using kubuntu. [04:03] wait [04:03] wrong one [04:03] lsmod | grep snd [04:03] I get the message that my audio playback device failed. [04:04] I've seen that before, and I forget the remedy ... it used to happen to me. [04:04] There's quite a few lines of output from that command. [04:04] Top one is snd_hda_intel [04:04] Riobe_: go into systemsettings -> multimedia and try rearranging things, so that your "analog sound device" or whatnot is on top. [04:05] It is. [04:05] It "falls back" on pulse audio. [04:05] on top in all categories? [04:05] *nods* [04:05] It's just failing. [04:06] Riobe_: pull up a terminal and type in "kde4-config --version" [04:07] dwidmann_: Qt: 3.3.8b | KDE: 3.5.10 | kde-config: 1.0 [04:07] dwidmann_: Is this a known deficiency that is being worked on? [04:07] hi, which msn messenger app on linux supports voice chating? [04:07] I have kubuntu 9.04...I kind of just assumed that would come with KDE 4 which I thought was the latest. [04:08] Riobe_: which version of kde4 do you have is what I was trying to get at [04:08] Riobe_: upgrading may help ... 4.3.0 is the latest [04:08] dwidmann_: Judging from that...none. Looks like I'm still in 3. [04:08] Riobe_: I doubt this, I've only seen this problem with kde4 [04:09] dwidmann_: But the output said KDE: 3.5.10 [04:09] dwidmann_: Wouldn't that mean I'm using KDE 3? [04:09] Riobe_: that struck me as odd also [04:09] Riobe_: here are the instructions for getting kde 4.3 http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3 === nixternal is now known as handbag_henry === handbag_henry is now known as nixternal [04:10] Riobe_: the reason it struck me as really, really weird is that you ran "kde4-config ......" ... which is named such because it's for kde4 [04:11] Ah, I didn't type the 4 [04:11] Bah [04:11] dwidmann_: Ok, I'm on 4.2.2 [04:11] I thought as much! ... without the 4 you're running the kde3 version [04:11] hi, which msn messenger app on linux supports voice chating? [04:12] user1_: have you tried Kopete? failing that have you tried pidgin? amsn? [04:12] amsn [04:13] dwidmann_: Is there a chance that upgrading from 4.2.2 to 4.3 will handle my audio playback problem? [04:13] user1_: those are the places I would look first [04:13] k [04:13] Riobe_: there's a chance ... and if it doesn't, kde 4.3.0 is a nice upgrade anyway, worth the time. [04:16] dwidmann_: Ok, thanks. ^^ [04:16] I need a bit of help [04:16] My Amarok won't recognize mp3 files [04:18] Guest34183: I *think* you'll need the libxine1-ffmpeg library to do that. [04:18] I got it [04:19] Then beyond that I have no clue. [04:19] "won't recognize" or "won't play"? [04:19] It'll play wma [04:19] but not mp3 [04:22] dwidmann_: Thanks for answering so many questions. I went to the page that has instructions about KDE 4 and it has some deb command I haven't seen before and doesn't work in bash. I tried to do sudo apt-get install deb, and that didn't help. [04:23] what command is it Riobe_? [04:23] dwidmann_: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main [04:23] deb = debian package format [04:24] Riobe_: if you append that line to your /etc/apt/sources.list and then run "sudo apt-get update", you'll have added that repository [04:32] I must just be missing something in connecting to my wireless router here. It recognizes my wireless card and that is usually 90% of the battle. [04:36] Bookman: the kde network manager appet might have been upgraded for 4.3, with any luck. [04:36] Could somone help me with the resolution change in KDE4 that causes a crash back to the KDM on a 950GMA chipset? [04:37] dwidmann_: I would hope so. It seems to be a pretty big show stopper. [04:48] It's a pity as it looks like an interesting interface to try out. [04:51] I have a slight Kubuntu/KDE4.3 problem [04:52] I have 2 monitors, and the menu bar and all fullscreened apps (VLC, etc) always fullscreen themselves on the left monitor, when I would like them to do that on the right monitor. Is there an easy way to select the default monitor? [04:53] Both monitors are plugged into an nVidia card. I was able to have it configured this way on 9.04, and the recent dist-upgrade broke it. [04:53] Linux makes me feel like a newb. :P I can't figure out how to install KDE 4.3 [04:53] The directions just led me in a loop. === hemathor_ is now known as hemathor [04:55] At http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3 it says that you can install 4.3 from Kubuntu Backports PPA , which I don't know how to use, and then just includes a source without an explanation. @.@ [04:57] can someone please help im trying to install kxdocker but i am having some problems installing it from the repo [04:58] You should add the site there to your apt sources.list, and add the key. then, just do an apt-get dist-upgrade, and it should install KDE4.3 for you [04:59] ？ === ubuntu is now known as ubuntu_ [05:01] s73v3r: I did the first step. I didn't add any key or know about apt-get dist-upgrade (not sure what that does), but I'll give that a try. There was a link about a key on that page. [05:01] Thank you. === mike is now known as Guest2244 [05:02] Does the KDE4.3 have a performance improvement for Intel chipsets? [05:14] anybody know how to set the default monitor in a dual monitor setup in KDE4.3? [05:16] Ok, I give....it just will not work. I tried with some iwconfig command line stuff and still it will not connect. I really hope future versions will solve this major issue. [05:27] "Your desktop does not appear to support transparent windows" [05:28] What can I do about that? [06:32] has anyone else had kontact start crashing on them recently? [06:32] started yesterday I think [06:33] been regular today [06:33] upgrading to kde 4.3 from the kubuntu/backports ppa hasn't fixed it [07:04] I'm on an Acer Aspire One. I removed the stock OS to put in 2 versions of Linux on it. I have now made a 3rd partition for Windows XP (formatted as NTFS). When I put in the CD, it says that it does not find a hard drive. Any way to work around this? [07:09] Byron: I think you need to format the partition as ntfs before itll recognise it. However, you will likely get better answers in #windows [07:10] can someone please list the default groups for the default user? i have to add myself to them because i accidentaly lost them [07:11] jussi01: It is formatted as NTFS right now. I also asked in ##windows and got no response thusfar. [07:12] Byron: ##windows is the correct place to ask, its offtopic for this channel. [07:13] just someone can please paste the output from "groups user-id" please [07:14] jussi01: I know, I thought that maybe someone here is also double/triple-booting and might know a fix for it. [07:15] Byron: what is your problem? [07:16] I'm trying to install XP onto a partition on my HDD for this netbook and being told "No hard drive found" [07:18] hi ppl. Is KDE now fixed for older GFX. I installed 8.10 few months back but it was laggin sometimes. is 9.04 workin better [07:18] Byron: i have no ideea , but recently i had some partition problems and i solved them using testdisk application [07:19] Byron: try in #ubuntu i think that are more users there [07:20] but I m askin fur Kubuntu probs [07:20] I can't even get upgrades or install anything right now :( [07:20] Going to reboot [07:21] sorry my bad I didnt see byron :( [07:25] RohanK_2: do you mean graphic performance? [07:25] yes [07:25] last time they told me wait for 9.04 [07:25] then use 8.10 [07:25] huh :O [07:25] then probs will be solved with occasional lags [07:26] in 9.04 is a new Xorg and the drivers for this xorg ar not so good [07:27] perhaps I should upgrade Ubuntu 8.10 to Ubuntu 9.04 insted of Kubuntu 9.04 [07:27] thanks nyways === kb is now known as Guest36473 === b14ck_ is now known as b14ck === RoflCopter is now known as Guest25949 [07:53] Hay alguien aqui?¿?? [07:53] NECESITO AYUDA [07:59] khui [08:02] hello guys [08:03] someone can tell me how to connect a wireless key on linux ? [08:04] i got one from the company GO mobile from my country (malta) and i discovered its a bandluxe c270 [08:04] somebody has any idea how can i get it to work on kubuntu ? === m4v_ is now known as m4v [08:48] anyone alive here ? [08:48] nope [08:48] :@ [08:48] i need help [08:49] is it posisble no one knows how to connect an internet key on kubuntu [08:49] :/ [08:49] an internet key? === Benjamin_ is now known as Benji === Benji is now known as Benji_irc [08:51] DarkSmoke: google returns a few things that look interesting, but nothing I know anything about. If you can't find help here, you could try the forums. [09:03] ola, can someone recommend a fantastic proxy for kubuntu ? my school has blocked dns [09:26] hi all [09:27] is it possible to open two folders, each in one pane, with dolphin? [09:28] if i open dolphin it will be nice, if two diffrent folders are opened, each one in his pane, left - rigth [09:30] i have got this second home icon on my desktop on xfce, i have both xfce and gnome aside from kde, and when i click on it a text file opens reading [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=Home GenericName=Personal Files URL[$e]=$HOME Icon=user-home Type=Link X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_kdebase-runtime === william is now known as Guest18728 === adminlocal is now known as Amargein [09:49] Is there a simple way to extract files from an rpm-archive on Kubuntu? [09:50] konrad_: it's easy, using mc when rpm ist already installed [09:51] llutz: Really? Didn't know that. How simple life can be sometimes. Tnx a lot! [09:52] konrad_: just opens rpm like a folder [10:05] Ahoj [10:05] anyone alive? [10:16] Hello everybody [10:16] I am new to Ubuntu [10:17] hi facher [10:17] hi makdaknife [10:22] Can anybody tell how to install Google Earth [10:39] hi [10:40] some 1 onl? [10:41] hi [10:42] some 1 can help me with a wireless?alice?Thanks [10:43] what is the problem? [10:43] i've insert all the parameter but it does'nt work... [10:44] like SSID and WPA... [10:45] where are you inserting the parameters? [10:45] the bottom on the pc doesn't flush... but i've read that it's not a problem... [10:46] in the Edit network connection [10:47] I'm not sure where you are doing this... there are a number of different network managers available [10:47] sorry:Sistem Setting> network managiamentnt>Edit network connection [10:47] ah... okay [10:48] g_giulio: Are you in the wifi range, right? [10:48] my is in italian...i'hope the translation is ok... [10:48] I find that for wifi it is easier to use something like knetworkmanager or wicd [10:48] yes 15 cm to the router... [10:49] sorry makdaknife: are 2 application that are you tell me? [10:51] g_giulio: In KPackageKit I find two applications that can be helpful [10:51] ok i'm doing to get knetworkmanager.. [10:51] g_giulio: yes... [10:51] !info plasma-widget-wifi [10:51] plasma-widget-wifi (source: plasma-widget-wifi): A Plasma widget that displays WiFi connection strength. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5-0ubuntu7 (jaunty), package size 36 kB, installed size 332 kB [10:51] ops, forget that, that wasn't the package... [10:52] !info wifi-radar [10:52] wifi-radar (source: wifi-radar): graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.9-1.1 (jaunty), package size 38 kB, installed size 232 kB [10:54] ok all apt-get ....wifi radar and plasmoidwifi and plasma wifiradar... [10:54] now i'm trying to configure better... [10:54] g_giulio: Well, the plasma-widget is only a plasmoid to display info, so it's not neccesary... [10:55] ok gjulian but they are so beautifull.. [10:55] lol [11:04] OK!!!! [11:04] all wors!!! [11:07] Is there a way to get the calendar in contact to not automatically add me as an attendee to events? [11:07] kontact* [11:08] i don't know whow i've made but i've done... [11:08] mmm.it's jumping... [11:09] guys i have ati radeon 9100 igp and no 3D support anyone help??? [11:09] an idea for expanding the "Recent documents" of Ubuntu: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/21216/ [11:11] it's the same of my radeon... [11:11] that's the problem? [11:12] im:that's the problem? [11:12] yep old driver [11:12] that's your distro? [11:13] kubuntu [11:13] that wind of...release... [11:13] ur suggession? [11:13] that realase do you use... [11:14] so back on ubuntu? [11:14] 9.04 [11:14] no no no whait:becouse if you have the last all a lot off old ATI [11:15] are supported... [11:15] ok like mine... [11:15] so what should i do? [11:15] and wich is the proble?are you sure that it doesn't work?why? [11:16] tlet me check:3 minutes... [11:16] k [11:16] i ll try sth === jman_ is now known as JJman [11:17] im:laptop? [11:17] yep [11:17] k [11:20] im:ok [11:20] are you ready? [11:20] im: 'r 'u on? [11:20] yes and trying sth [11:21] https://launchpad.net/~tormodvolden/+archive/ppa [11:21] so... open a shell [11:21] k [11:21] an do : grep|glxgears [11:21] <[-Haza-]> Hey folks. Whats the kubuntu addon that allows you to "draw" on your desktop (for highlighting area's and such) === djdarkman_ is now known as djdarkman [11:21] why my kde crash regularly :S [11:21] <[-Haza-]> I had it installed once and can't remember how i did it [11:22] what succes? [11:22] yeah [11:22] i can see [11:22] but not so good [11:22] i can see behind de screen [11:22] :S [11:22] the gears go regularry? [11:23] yep [11:23] but i can see behind them [11:23] !enter | im [11:23] im: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [11:23] ok if they go regularry you have the acceleretor [11:23] sorry... i ll take s sc [11:24] im: what do you mean :i can see behind?have you the x ray? [11:25] :-) [11:25] wait i cant explain :) [11:25] k [11:25] [-Haza-]: compiz. dont think kwin has that effect yet [11:26] [-Haza-]: right click on a window title bar and choose 'configure window behavior' in 'desktop effects' -> 'all effects' tab look for 'mouse mark' [11:26] ok g_giulio_ fglrx flashing [11:26] <[-Haza-]> slhk: Cheers! Just found it. Hit apply and my desktop has gone nuts [11:26] not fglrx lol grep|glxgears [11:27] <[-Haza-]> Is there a way to refresh the desktop without logging out? It looks like it may have crashed or something [11:27] <[-Haza-]> even though i still have the irc client open [11:27] i wish i know :P [11:27] grep|glxgears it's only a tentative to see your status...so the gear flashing ??? [11:28] ok no gears work fine [11:28] but windows flashing [11:28] ahhhhhhhhhh.... [11:29] window [11:29] ok!!!! [11:29] i can see behind the window [11:29] let me explane: [11:29] sorry for bad english :) [11:29] my is no better than yours... [11:30] caz of vesa ? [11:30] ??? [11:31] i think that it's no a problem about acceleration(if it was so you can not see the gear go around...) [11:31] i find driver released in 2006 so dont work with jaunty [11:32] but you have made some mistake about your vga configuration!!!! [11:32] your acceleration ati it's ok!!!! [11:32] k do u offer sth? [11:32] sth [11:33] sth?? [11:33] something [11:33] yes i'm trying... [11:34] so y've to reconfigureyour vga script... [11:34] how? [11:35] hi again [11:35] so i've never change on your hands,i've suppouse if you don't know... [11:35] i dont know how can i change [11:35] so YOU've never change on your hands,i've suppouse if you don't know... [11:35] k :D [11:35] OK [11:36] 3 minutes and i try to find mine where it is... [11:36] k i ll be here [11:37] whic is your laptop? [11:37] asus m600 [11:37] bucouse some part are the same,about the ATI , [11:37] ok [11:38] only ATI [11:38] yep [11:40] im: in pm is't better it long.. [11:44] Are there any Linux remote-pc-control systems that are easy to use? Something like teamviewer or crossloop? But also possible to use on windows... so that i can connect to my windows comp from my Kubuntu box [11:49] hmm. what color settings do i change so inactive windows with the qt curve theme have the same color as the kwin window border? :) [11:54] * agb67 is away: Per ora assente [12:07] k === tommy is now known as Guest27502 === Guest27502 is now known as tommy_the-dragon === erik__ is now known as ^Victor^ === Tm_T_ is now known as Tm_T [12:22] hi all i am usin ubuntu netbook remix on an msi wind u100 and traceroute and ping dont work with ethernet card [12:22] ifconfig and route seems correct and i can download from internet but ping doesn't work any ideas? [12:23] ubuntu channel did not answer so i am writing here [12:35] i just installed some splash screens threw system setting appearances and i was wondering why they didnt show up under the list.where did it download them too, and how do i use them? [12:36] sorry im running karmic. [12:37] hi guys [12:37] is it only me, or jaunty's performance (under kde4) when large amounts of data are being copied to and fro an USB drive - is dismal? [12:38] got a dual core CPU, got a gig of RAM, but every single time I plug-in an USB drive and start copying large (>1GiB) amounts of data in either direction [12:39] the performance of the whole system almost grinds to a halt [12:39] this does not happen on hardy/kde3 nor jaunty/gnome [12:39] any hints on that? === rene is now known as Guest30247 === root is now known as Guest56068 [14:18] hello [14:18] any1 there? [14:18] any1 there? [14:19] mUrshEd: Contrary to appearances, many are here [14:19] !ask [14:19] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [14:19] kubuntu didnt work eth0 [14:19] i push my IP [14:19] but disnt work [14:20] i mean i'm not connect internet [14:20] all r good [14:20] canonical give me a KIBUNTU cd [14:20] 8.10 [14:20] genii [14:21] mUrshEd: So command: ifconfig shows there is an eth0 device then, but command: sudo dhclient eth0 doesn't gain an IP? [14:21] ok i not it. [14:21] then [14:27] geni [14:27] genii r u busy bro? [14:27] brb [14:28] Apologies, I am at work and they require me [14:29] ytryrty [14:29] 546 [14:29] fdjfvb [14:29] hgiik [14:29] <_cbo_> hi! I can't install latest kde4.3, after adding repository in /etc/apt/sources.list i get the error ' BADSIG 2836CB0A8AC93F7A' [14:29] fuck of my lilte baby and good buy [14:29] <_cbo_> i've tried removing and adding again the signature but it doesn't work [14:30] !language | ubuntu [14:30] ubuntu: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [14:32] _cbo_: Usually this means adding the gpg key of the repository [14:32] i have a laptop but no access points [14:32] i have another laptop [14:32] can i create a wifi network? [14:32] <_cbo_> genii: that's what i've done and it says OK but... [14:33] greyhat: Yes, just use an IP on each in same net segment, etc and they should be able to ping and see each other [14:34] but how do they connect? [14:35] i want wifi working, i want the internet to work over the wifi [14:39] greyhat:No wireless access point to internet means no internet working over wifi unless you have a wired connection on at least one of them that is hooked up and working, then share that to the other over the wifi [14:40] Bah. Work lag. [14:44] whats a good way to make Compiz faster [14:45] ritztech: KDE4 already has a builtin compositing manager, using Compiz with it can cause many issues. If you want Compiz specific tips though, they may know in ##compiz-fusion [14:46] showing know one in there #compiz-fusion [14:48] ritztech: Looks like they reverted the name back to just #compiz again === avihay__ is now known as avihay [15:07] How do i make qtconfig work on all apps i run not just some. [15:09] hi, I installed poedit this morning and the GUI isn't the same under my KDE4 (9.04) env and my brother ubuntu (9.04) [15:09] did anyone notice that some menu/icons were missing ? [15:10] how stable is kde 4.3? [15:10] stable in the doesnt-crash sense [15:10] malic: very stable [15:11] malic: everyone has their version of stable [15:11] still slightly buggy in the pane-resizes-funny sense (but that was true of 4.2 too) [15:11] I wouldn't says it's 'very' stable [15:11] *panel [15:11] and what about the programs? is kile running? [15:12]