[00:00] <keanu> bjsnider, oh, i didn't even think about that.  on the other hand, i've tried karmic from both a livecd and upgrading from jaunty, and the problem exists. i haven't changed the system font size, but is it possible that the default was changed in karmic?
[00:00] <bjsnider> i think the default should be 10
[00:01] <bjsnider> keanu, wait, all versions of firefox on karmic are borked?
[00:01] <bjsnider> what about a webkit-based browser?
[00:01] <bjsnider> midori, for instance
[00:02] <sparr> blackest_knight: related, possibly.  helpful, definitely
[00:02] <sparr> in the span of a 20 second skype call i got...
[00:03] <sparr> I: client.c: Created 463 "Native client (UNIX socket client)" D: protocol-native.c: Protocol version: remote 16, local 16 I: protocol-native.c: Got credentials: uid=1000 gid=1000 success=1 D: protocol-native.c: SHM possible: yes D: protocol-native.c: Negotiated SHM: yes D: module-augment-properties.c: Looking for .desktop file for skype I: client.c: Freed 463 "ALSA plug-in [skype]" I: protocol-nat
[00:03] <sparr> 463 of those
[00:03] <sparr> counting up from 1
[00:03] <bjsnider> ok, karmic has a _development_ version of pulseaudio
[00:04] <keanu> bjsnider, yeah, all versions of firefox on karmic have this happening.  it's also occurring on midori
[00:04] <bjsnider> is this a web-based torrent app?
[00:05] <greg-g> BUGabundo: cool.
[00:05] <keanu> bjsnider, yeah
[00:05] <blackest_knight> hmm i'm looking a bit stuffed I need working audio and a cpu thats not being maxed out
[00:06] <bjsnider> is there a newer version in karmic or something?
[00:06] <sparr> blackest_knight: im not having the cpu problem, sorry
[00:06] <keanu> what do you mean? being a web based app, wouldn't it not depend on the operating system?
[00:07] <blackest_knight> is it possible to dump pulse and add oss4 or is that not going to be practical
[00:07] <keanu> bjsnider, i noticed that in opera though, it appears fine (on karmic)
[00:07] <bjsnider> keanu, i mean the package in karmic is it newer than jaunty?
[00:07] <acicula> blackest_knight: possible yes, will it break stuff, probably
[00:08] <keanu> bjsnider, sorry, little confused. which package are you referring to?
[00:08] <bjsnider> the torrent app
[00:09] <acicula> bjsnider: everything in karmic is newer then jaunty(not necesarilly better mind you)
[00:09] <bjsnider> wrong, sir
[00:09] <bjsnider> nice try though
[00:09] <Severian> blackest_knight, I have seen several people refer to getting rid of pulse and using ALSA directly.  That may be easier.  Pulse is still a little rocky, but I like the direction it is going and the capabilities.
[00:09] <blackest_knight> acicula: I guess when things are broken already either revert to jaunty and wait or mess around and see if it can be broke into a more useable system
[00:10] <acicula> blackest_knight: it's a development version, stuff breaks constantly
[00:10] <keanu> ah, it's one of my websites, not on either of my jaunty/karmic boxes. both jaunty and karmic are accessing the same page though
[00:10] <acicula> blackest_knight: so basically yeah :)
[00:10] <blackest_knight> Severian: well i guess i may go that direction
[00:10]  * DanaG is really irrated at Skype for giving Linux and PulseAudio a bad name.
[00:10] <bjsnider> keanu, alright give me the link and i'll try it
[00:10] <DanaG> It's probably one of the single most-often-broken and most-often-complained-about apps.
[00:11] <blackest_knight> pulse or skype ?
[00:11] <DanaG> Skype.
[00:11] <DanaG> And it hasn't been updated in, like, a full year... if I remember correctly.
[00:12] <acicula> still ships for 7.04 on the download page i think
[00:12] <DanaG> http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=240691&st=60&start=60
[00:12] <DanaG> correction... they just finally updated it YESTERDAY.
[00:12] <Severian> Skype is a bad idea for several reasons.  Use a SIP client.  Twinkle works well for me.  It is not perfect.
[00:13] <keanu> bjsnider, http://212.117.173.220/rutorrent
[00:13] <bjsnider> skype has many paying customers, most of them not on linux
[00:13] <acicula> heh seems that way
[00:14] <blackest_knight> Skype just works for most of its userbase. which is a problem since its so useless for anything less basic
[00:15] <acicula> i still have to get it to work again on jaunty (no mic sound)
[00:15] <blackest_knight> they are supposed to be working on a skype sip gateway but i signed up for it months ago and never heard anything back
[00:15] <bjsnider> keanu, works perfectly on ff 3.5 here
[00:15] <bjsnider> i'm looking at the settings page
[00:16] <keanu> bjsnider, and the 'connection' tab on the settings page displays to the right instead of down below?
[00:17] <bjsnider> yes the whole settings page looks exactly like it should
[00:18] <keanu> hmm...that's odd. unless my resolution is somehow playing a role in it, i'm not sure why it's doing that. i've tried both reinstalling firefox as well as booting from a karmic livecd
[00:18] <keanu> both the reinstalled version and the livecd have it parsing improperly
[00:19] <bjsnider> what screen resolution is it?
[00:20] <bjsnider> here it's 1152x863
[00:20] <keanu> mine's 1280x800
[00:21] <bjsnider> what graphics driver?
[00:23] <bjsnider> well, we've both got a vanilla desktop here, the only difference is hardware. i'm running it inside a vm
[00:23] <keanu> not sure of the graphics driver.  it's an intel GM965 though
[00:24] <bjsnider> well, maybe it's intel's fault
[00:24] <bjsnider> but i doubt it
[00:26] <keanu> i remember seeing on the alpha page that in karmic the graphics driver for intel cards was switched from exa to uxa, but i'm not sure if that'd make a difference
[00:26] <bjsnider> it has to do with using vram for pixmaps instead of normal ram
[00:27] <komputes> Karmic is missing gnometris! Oh noes!!
[00:27] <keanu> ah, k
[00:28] <alankila> it would be fantastic to get rid of the almost habitual blitting that goes on in linux graphics APIs
[00:28] <bjsnider> you can disable uxa in the xorg.conf file if you want to try that
[00:28] <bjsnider> and uxa is not in use in jaunty, so that could explain why it works in jaunty
[00:28] <DanaG> !find gdk-pixbuf.loaders
[00:29] <alankila> I deal with an emulation program that shows a 800x600 sized screen and it takes at least as long to get the RGBA buffer dumped on screen as it takes to calculate it.
[00:29] <alankila> and that's when you are lucky and it works near-optimally... when you aren't so lucky, it takes up to 3 times as much
[00:30] <alankila> so you spend like 10 % of host CPU on the hard part and then 30 % blitting the crap
[00:31] <alankila> so yes, having pixmaps in video ram is about the best thing ever linux could do to make all sorts of nice things *fast*
[00:31] <bjsnider> are you being sarcastic dude?
[00:32] <keanu> bjsnider, kind of a noob question, but how would i disable uxa?
[00:32] <bjsnider> look in the ubuntu wiki for the intel graphics driver
[00:32] <keanu> k
[00:32] <alankila> not sarcastic at all. I'd be thrilled to have equivalent of directx in linux.
[00:32] <bjsnider> are you being sarcastic dude?
[00:33] <alankila> hardware screen surface mapped to process. That would be awesome.
[00:33] <keanu> i noticed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting that it says to enable it, add the AccelMathod line to xorg.conf, except mine doesn't have that line
[00:33] <bjsnider> i think it's enabled int he driver by default
[00:33] <bjsnider> i hope they didn't remove exa though
[00:34] <bjsnider> alankila, if you're serious you should try using nvidia hardware
[00:34] <alankila> anyway, that gdk pixbuf is one of the most annoying things ever. The worst part about it is that every conversion is always a 3-step process. For instance, if you need to go from ARGB to BGRA or something, it does ARGB -> RGB -> BGRA conversion because it has RGB as common format. So it spends twice the time it needs to copying stuff around.
[00:34] <alankila> urr, 2-step process.
[00:35] <DanaG> hey, I managed to get skype to use qgtkstyle.
[00:35] <bjsnider> is that even packaged at this point? qgtkstyle?
[00:36] <alankila> bjsnider: yes, I'm a nvidia user, relatively happy too... Anyway my complaints have somehow been addressed because these days the 3x slowdown is gone and instead I see 1x slowdown, so clearly people have been working on it. That's great! But I'd really want to write directly to graphics RAM, because that eliminates moving 96 MB of memory per second
[00:36] <DanaG> Yeah, it's now part of upstream QT.
[00:36] <bjsnider> the nvidia blob does write directly to vram
[00:37] <bjsnider> the nvidia blob has a working memory manager
[00:37] <DanaG> It took a bit of hackery, though -- somebody's wrapper script, and using getlibs to get my gtk theme engine.
[00:37] <DanaG> gotta' go nowzzz.
[00:39] <alankila> bjsnider: I tried to use texture-from-pixmap extension at some point to write directly to texture-in-gfx-ram, but I was unable then to make it work. I'm not sure if that extension is supposed to work together with compiz
[00:39] <alankila> there are some programs around which were supposed to use that extension but all which I tried crashed after I compiled and ran them
[00:40] <bjsnider> tell nvidia about it
[00:40] <alankila> maybe it matures to a point where I can just write to the mapped texture area and have it just work, albeit it is a veritable bitch to set this up, a ton of weird calls that you have to make instead of a simple function that just hands you a texture shared with gfx card
[00:41] <bjsnider> and it's also available on the intel platofrm too at this point
[00:41] <alankila> anyway, that is still probably the most optimal solution available, a "better-than-xvideo" xvideo, because xv uses the yuv format which has half the chromatic resolution of RGB data.
[00:42] <bjsnider> use vdpau
[00:46] <blackest_knight> did i exit ?
[00:47] <blackest_knight> did the old skype do sms ?
[00:48] <keanu> bjsnider, i just tried jaunty on a vps and it appears to display fine as well
[01:04] <blackest_knight> hmm uninstalling pulse audio dropped system load from 3.5 to 0.07
[01:05] <blackest_knight> only thing how to get working sound again without it going mental with cpu use
[01:11] <simba_> dang "aptitude safe-upgrade" just broke my mplayer dependencies (medibuntu files)
[01:30] <NoelJB> Anyone know what it takes to get 2.6.31-8-generic to install?  (q.v., https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/418509/comments/41)
[01:32] <NoelJB> I'm not getting it to install automatically on either amd64 or i386.
[01:33] <eurythmia_> leave
[01:33] <eurythmia_> crap ...
[01:34] <NoelJB> eurythmia: /part ?
[01:35] <billybigrigger> you might need to wait a bit for -8 to come down the pipe
[01:35] <NoelJB> I was wondering, but others appear to have gotten it to install, hence the question.
[01:35] <billybigrigger> -8?
[01:35] <NoelJB> yes
[01:35] <NoelJB> According to replies on that bug.
[01:36] <billybigrigger> aptitude safe-upgrade
[01:36] <billybigrigger> ?
[01:36] <billybigrigger> oh
[01:36] <billybigrigger> well you can install the mainline kernel if you'd like
[01:36] <NoelJB> LOL Already tried.  dist-upgrade, safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, just to see what they reported.
[01:36] <NoelJB> If it is still pending, I can wait.
[01:36] <billybigrigger> nevermind
[01:36] <billybigrigger> mainline kernel isn't even out
[01:37] <billybigrigger> rc8 isn't even released
[01:37] <NoelJB> What do you mean by "mainline" kernel in this context?
[01:37] <billybigrigger> so i don't know what they're talking about
[01:37] <NoelJB> Ah, OK.
[01:37] <NoelJB> -8 is already out from Ubuntu because -7 was broken.
[01:37] <NoCode> Is it possible to setup Karmic with the Jaunty sound or at least something similar?
[01:38] <NoelJB> badly broken, in fact.
[01:38] <billybigrigger> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[01:38] <NoCode> This cracking is starting to annoy me.
[01:38] <NoelJB> billybigrigger, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.31-8.28/+build/1192023
[01:39] <NoCode> billybigrigger: That just made my day
[01:39] <NoCode> ...
[01:40] <billybigrigger> that's odd
[01:40] <NoCode> billybigrigger: Can those mainline PPAs be used in Kardy too?
[01:40] <NoCode> err Hardy
[01:40] <NoCode> lol
[01:40] <billybigrigger> i don't see why not
[01:40] <billybigrigger> i
[01:41] <NoCode> Awesome. I need to bookmark that and log into Jaunty. :D
[01:41] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/extace/+bug/399565
[01:42] <NoelJB> NoCode, I'd be careful mixing and matching kernels across releases.  But if you're prepared for the "fun" ...
[01:42] <NoCode> NoelJB: What will happen? Dependency hell?
[01:42] <billybigrigger> i think you'd have better luck with those kernels on jaunty
[01:43] <billybigrigger> not so much hardy though
[01:43] <NoCode> I ment Jaunty. :(
[01:49] <billybigrigger> haha did anyone seen any new artwork for the ArtworkFirstDrop?
[01:49] <billybigrigger> :P
[01:52] <NoCode> I wish there was a way to remove HAL and get Karmic performance in Jaunty. :|
[01:52] <NoelJB> update-manager -d ;-)
[01:53] <NoCode> NoelJB: What would that do?
[01:53] <NoelJB> Jaunty->Karmic  ;-)
[01:53] <NoCode> bleh
[01:53] <NoCode> I already have Karmic on another partition. No need for that
[01:53] <NoCode> Serious sound issues here still
[01:54] <NoCode> in Karmic
[01:54] <NoCode> I wish I could install Jaunty's PA setup into Karmic. :P
[01:55] <NoelJB> You've reported the PA bugs?  (Other than people considering PA to *be* the bug)
[01:55] <NoCode> Yeah I've reported.
[01:55] <NoCode> it's a ffmpeg bug
[02:03] <DanaG> I have issues with my USB sound card; I'll deal with filing them this weekend, I think.
[02:04] <keanu> bjsnider, still on?
[02:04] <bjsnider> yes
[02:05] <keanu> slight correction to before - when testing karmic on the vps, it worked when i didn't have ubuntu-desktop and its dependencies installed (just a barebones install + firefox + vnc). however, installing ubuntu-desktop and then trying it causes the bug to appear
[02:06] <bjsnider> did you try disabling uxa?
[02:07] <keanu> being a vnc, i don't think uxa is enabled - the vps is on a server, not my laptop with the intel chip
[02:08] <bjsnider> well,, then i don't know. it works fine here, is all i can tell you
[02:09] <keanu> k, thanks
[02:09] <keanu> i'll see if i can keep testing to find out any more info
[02:13] <DanaG> here's my bootchart... takes a rather annoyingly long time to reach desktop.
[02:13] <DanaG> http://picpaste.com/EliteBook-karmic-20090827-1.png
[02:14] <DanaG> And the bootchart is rather poorly drawn.
[02:20] <NoCode> I'm just guessing, but I guess I just have to install the linux-image, and linux-headers deb files from the mainline?
[02:22] <NoelJB> NoCode, are you 32 or 64 bit?
[02:22] <NoCode> 32bit
[02:22] <NoelJB> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.31-8.28/+build/1192025
[02:22] <NoelJB> and don't ask for help.  LOL
[02:23] <NoCode> Oo, new launchpad. wth. :(
[02:34] <IdleOne> are the iso's at www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4 daily builds?
[02:34] <billybigrigger> no
[02:35] <billybigrigger> IdleOne, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[02:35] <IdleOne> thank you
[02:36] <billybigrigger> np
[02:39] <NoCode> Is there any easy way to update grub with a new kernel installed?
[02:41] <billybigrigger> $ sudo update-grub
[02:41] <billybigrigger> ?
[02:43] <NoCode> very nice!
[02:43] <NoCode> brb
[02:47] <x1250> archive.ubuntu.com slow to anyone?
[02:50] <kanuha> how do I change the login screen in alpha 5?
[02:51] <IdleOne> you dont
[02:51] <IdleOne> least not until it is released
[02:53] <kanuha> I thought I read somewhere before about a command line command that would work
[02:53] <billybigrigger> alpha 5!?!?! :-O
[02:53]  * billybigrigger must have missed the memo
[02:53] <billybigrigger> :P
[02:54] <kanuha> sorry, meant alpha 4, typo
[02:55] <MindVirus1> Hello. GDM will not work on my system but startx works.
[02:55] <MindVirus1> Any advice?
[02:55] <MindVirus1> I type /etc/init.d/gdm restart and it shows "starting" and "stopping" properly but doesn't do anything.
[03:02] <NoelJB> for anyone wanting the new kernel, I just posted scripts for installing it to the bug report, since it still hasn't hit the mirrors.
[03:05] <NoelJB> MindVirus1, what do you see in /var/log/gdm/ ?  Most recent log (or tail -n 0 -F /var/log/gdm/* in a separate tty while restarting gdm).
[03:05] <NoelJB> MindVirus1, And please don't paste it into IRC.  :-)
[03:05] <MindVirus1> NoelJB: no such directory.
[03:05] <NoelJB> !pastebin
[03:06] <MindVirus1> Don't worry, I know all about that.
[03:06] <MindVirus1> :P
[03:06] <NoelJB> MindVirus1, you don't have /var/log/gdm ??
[03:06] <MindVirus1> I am running tmpfs on /var IIRC.
[03:06] <MindVirus1> No, on /var/log.
[03:07] <NoelJB> you don't have /var/log?
[03:08] <MindVirus1> I have /var/log.
[03:08] <MindVirus1> And I have shit in /var/log. Just not /var/log/gd.
[03:08] <MindVirus1> *gdm
[03:08] <NoelJB> and where do you have log files owned by gdm?
[03:09] <MindVirus1> My guess as to the reason GDM logfiles are not there is that GDM hasn't run yet.
[03:09] <MindVirus1> As /var/log is tmpfs, it's cleared out every time I restart my computer.
[03:09] <MindVirus1> So it looks like GDM has never been run.
[03:10] <NoelJB> Has it worked since you changed /var/log to use tmpfs?
[03:10] <MindVirus1> Yes. /var/log has been tmpfs ever since 8.10.
[03:11] <MindVirus1> It stopped working as soon as I got 9.10.
[03:11] <MindVirus1> Which was just now.
[03:11] <MindVirus1> GDM is failing in a way that it doesn't even log.
[03:12] <MindVirus1> When I run /etc/init.d/gdm restart, it doesn't take long enough of a time -- in other words, it's obvious it's not doing anything.
[03:12] <NoelJB> try creating /var/log/gdm, make it owned (for this test) by root:gdm and 777, and see if anything happens.
[03:12] <MindVirus1> I will have to exit from this X session.
[03:13] <MindVirus1> I will connect through irssi.
[03:13] <MindVirus1> One minute.
[03:13] <MindVirus1> I will BRB in irssi.
[03:14] <[MindVirus]> Hello there.
[03:14] <[MindVirus]> OK.
[03:14] <[MindVirus]> What did you want me to do?
[03:14] <kanuha> MindVirus, maybe this thread will help. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1248803&highlight=login
[03:15] <[MindVirus]> Alright, let me get links.
[03:16] <[MindVirus]> How does one paste with GPM, again?
[03:17] <[MindVirus]> Nevermind.
[03:18] <[MindVirus]> kanuha: I'm really sorry; reading threads in links is a big bitch. Could you paraphrase or something, please?
[03:18] <[MindVirus]> NoelJB: you there?
[03:19] <danbhfive> [MindVirus]: the thread says to use startx
[03:19] <[MindVirus]> danbhfive: that's what I'm doing.
[03:20] <[MindVirus]> The problem is that I have to; I'd like to use GDM.
[03:21] <NoelJB> MindVirus, am now.
[03:21] <[MindVirus]> Hello. What did you want me to do?
[03:21] <NoelJB> try creating /var/log/gdm, make it owned (for this test) by root:gdm and 777, and see if anything happens.
[03:22] <NoelJB> Are you using nvidia?  Which driver?
[03:22] <[MindVirus]> No. I have an Intel 945GME.
[03:23] <NoelJB> OK.  So not the nvidia problem mentioned in the thread.
[03:24] <[MindVirus]> NoelJB: I got GDM to work.
[03:24] <[MindVirus]> Give me a minute; let me reboot.
[03:24] <NoelJB> You did?  How?  :-)
[03:26] <DanaG> weird... I keep seeing this notification icon showing "window with arrows pointing out of it" appear.
[03:26] <DanaG> ... and then it disappears when I move my mouse.
[03:29] <MindVirus1> It seems like the problem was that /var/log/gdm was not there.
[03:29] <MindVirus1> This is stupid.
[03:29] <MindVirus1> Someone patch up GDM; if /var/log/gdm does not exist it should be created silently.
[03:30] <NoelJB> I had a feeling that was going to be the problem.  :-D
[03:30] <MindVirus1> One second. I will confirm this.
[03:30] <NoelJB> MindVirus1, want to create the bug report?
[03:30] <MindVirus1> I am not sure this is the problem yet.
[03:30] <MindVirus1> I want to be sure.
[03:31] <MindVirus1> When I start up Ubuntu regularly, I get a flashing white cursor at the top-left of the black screen.
[03:31] <MindVirus1> You know what I'm talking about, I'm sure.
[03:31] <bjsnider> everybody's had problems booting and shutting down the -7 kernel release
[03:31] <NoelJB> bjsnider, yes
[03:32] <NoelJB> the new -8 fixes them.
[03:32] <MindVirus1> BRB; testing my hypothesis.
[03:33] <DanaG> ah, it's window-fullscreen.png
[03:33] <NoelJB> bjsnider, is -8 updating for you yet?  If not, I posted a script for installing it, to Bug 418509
[03:34] <DanaG> so, the question is, why do I keep getting a "window fullscreen" icon appearing in my notification area?
[03:34] <MindVirus1> It was exactly the problem.
[03:34] <MindVirus1> Good job.
[03:35] <NoelJB> Subscribe me to the bug report, if you don't mind.
[03:35] <MindVirus1> I tried running GDM; it did not work. Then I made the folder and retried running GDM and it worked.
[03:35] <MindVirus1> No problem. Excellent work.
[03:35] <MindVirus1> Bugs don't get fixed this fast.
[03:35] <NoelJB> Or just post the bug # once you get it posted.
[03:36] <NoelJB> Are you going to post it now?  If so, I'll wait.  Else I'm going to reboot.  :-)
[03:36] <MindVirus1> Not yet.
[03:37] <NoelJB> MindVirus1, already present as Bug 405227
[03:37] <MindVirus1> The priority should be raised to critical.
[03:37] <NoelJB> Feel free to comment.
[03:37] <MindVirus1> Many EeePC users have /var/log set to tmpfs.
[03:38] <NoelJB> In the meantime, you can add a call to rc.local to create it.
[03:38] <NoelJB> actually, that might be too late.
[03:39] <NoelJB> but you could modify /etc/init.d/gdm to do it.
[03:39] <MindVirus1> Too late?
[03:40] <NoelJB> rc.local would run too late, I believe.
[03:40] <NoelJB> In any event, you can see the exact fix on that bug report.
[03:40] <MindVirus1> This shouldn't be in /etc/init.d/gdm, though.
[03:40] <MindVirus1> There should be a real fix.
[03:41] <MindVirus1>  /etc/init.d/gdm doesn't have any logging code.
[03:42] <MindVirus1> There. I'm done with this.
[03:42] <MindVirus1> NoelJB: thank you for your speedy help.
[03:43] <NoelJB> Welcome.
[03:43] <keanu> bjsnider, wow i feel like an idiot
[03:44] <MindVirus1> BRB, 9.10 is beautiful. Good work, guys.
[03:45] <keanu> i finally went through and found that having ttf-thai-tlwg installed is what caused the display issue. apparently font-family Tahoma's size 11 text is larger than san-serif's
[03:46] <MindVirus1> Also, booting up should fail gracefully.
[03:50] <MTeck> So... I'm trying to upgrade everyting linux-image-generic and linux-generic were removed during updates. I try to install linux-image-generic again and it gets upset because there's an unmet dependency (linux-image-2.6.31-8-generic). It won't install that
[03:50] <MTeck> No candidate version found for linux-image-2.6.31-8-generic
[03:50] <billybigrigger> it hasn't been released yet
[03:51] <MTeck> oh..
[03:51] <bjsnider> keanu, actually that's right in line with some of the things i've seen in ff 3.5
[03:51] <MTeck> when will it be released?
[03:52] <MindVirus1> Man, 9.10 is a huge improvement, even though bugs are rampant.
[03:52] <MTeck> MindVirus1: agreed - they kind of go hand in hand though :P
[03:52] <MindVirus1> This is probably the most drastic since 8.10.
[03:52] <MindVirus1> IIRC.
[03:53] <keanu> bjsnider, yeah. toggling between having that package installed/uninstalled seems to fix it for me though
[03:53] <MTeck> any idea when linux-image-2.6.31-8-generic will be available?
[03:55] <DanaG> weird, ibus LaTeX method eats spaces.
[03:56] <Nareth> So I'm using 9.10... And everything was working very well, and then suddenly, (I wasn't installing packages or anything) I lost sound in firefox and exaile. Chromium and totem still have sound. Rebooting did not help, I wonder if I'm missing something obvious?
[04:08] <billybigrigger> i don't know why the dev's have released a 2.6.31-8 kernel
[04:08] <billybigrigger> maybe its a virtual package or psuedo kernel or something
[04:09] <billybigrigger> 2 hours ago 	Linus Torvalds 	Linux 2.6.31-rc8  master v2.6.31-rc8 	commit | commitdiff | tree | snapshot
[04:09] <Nareth> Solved my problem.. it was in the "Applications" tab of sound preferences.
[04:09] <billybigrigger> hmm
[04:09] <billybigrigger> last commit to rc8 was 7 hours ago
[04:10] <billybigrigger> maybe ubuntu dev's pulled it early knowing there were no more commits
[04:10] <billybigrigger> who knows
[04:11] <MTeck> rc8 is supposed to have some fixes (reverts) that might make this system work better
[04:11] <MTeck> I know rc7 will kill this system
[04:11] <billybigrigger> maybe fixes on the ubuntu side
[04:11] <billybigrigger> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=summary
[04:12] <DanaG> hmm, I don't see -8 kernel on the repos yet.
[04:12] <billybigrigger> DanaG, linus'
[04:13] <billybigrigger> linus' git tree just released rc8 2 hours ago :P
[04:13] <billybigrigger> i think the dev's created a psuedo rc8 kernel for some reason
[04:13] <DanaG> hmm, well, I don't see that one, either.
[04:13] <billybigrigger> because rc8 isn't in mainline yet
[04:13] <DanaG> That's what I meant.
[04:13] <billybigrigger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.31-8.28/+build/1192023
[04:13] <DanaG> oh yeah, who here was it that recommended I try deluge?  I'm having odd behavior... Deluge has horribly slow upload speeds, for some reason.
[04:14] <billybigrigger> it was built for all arch's about 10 hours ago
[04:14] <billybigrigger> 2.6.31-8.28
[04:14] <billybigrigger> PUBLISHED: Karmic pocket Release in component main and section devel
[04:14] <billybigrigger>     * Published 12 hours ago
[04:14] <billybigrigger> should have hit repo's already
[04:14] <billybigrigger> but no one is able to pull it
[04:15] <MTeck> dtchen: are you SURE about that fix?
[04:15] <dtchen> billybigrigger: it's awaiting binary NEW by archive admin.
[04:15] <dtchen> MTeck: quite sure
[04:15] <dtchen> Linux errno 2.6.31-8-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Thu Aug 27 14:42:57 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:16] <dtchen> ^^ this is my dev machine with encrypted lvm /
[04:16] <MTeck> dtchen: I think something broke in repos :(
[04:16] <MTeck> billybigrigger: fix it? :)
[04:18] <dtchen> MTeck: ?
[04:18] <dtchen> billybigrigger: sorry, i hadn't refreshed.
[04:18] <dtchen> billybigrigger: it has been accepted already.
[04:18] <dtchen> billybigrigger: so, depending on your mirror, it should be available within a couple hours.
[04:18] <MTeck> dtchen: -8 isn't available in the repos yet
[04:18] <dtchen> MTeck: see what i just typed to billybigrigger
[04:19] <dtchen> it was just binary NEWed, so it'll take a full publisher run to farm out
[04:19] <MTeck> oh - missed that
[04:19] <MTeck> can you explain what you just said?
[04:21] <dtchen> MTeck: ok, so there are two phases at which packages generally need to be accepted into the Ubuntu archive
[04:21] <dtchen> MTeck: one is called source NEW, which is the introduction of a new source package name
[04:21] <dtchen> MTeck: the other is called binary NEW, which is the introduction of a new binary package name
[04:22] <dtchen> MTeck: the former (source NEW) is not applicable here, because a source package with name 'linux' already exists in the Karmic archive
[04:22] <keanu> bjsnider, i also noticed that downgrading to the jaunty version of ttf-thai-tlwg (0.4.11) fixes the problem - think that's enough to be considered a bug in the package?
[04:22] <dtchen> MTeck: the latter (binary NEW) is applicabel here, because many new binary packages generated from the 'linux' source package are built
[04:22] <dtchen> applicable*
[04:23] <MTeck> makes sense
[04:23] <billybigrigger> dtchen, news to me
[04:23] <dtchen> billybigrigger: what is news?
[04:23] <billybigrigger> i thought once the package was published it was in repos
[04:24] <dtchen> no
[04:24] <billybigrigger>     * Published 12 hours ago
[04:24] <dtchen> see above :-)
[04:24] <billybigrigger> that just means it's awating binary acceptance
[04:24] <billybigrigger> yeah i read it :P
[04:24] <dtchen> billybigrigger: published into the NEW queue, yes
[04:24] <dtchen> fortunately it has been accepted, so it'll be available shortly
[04:24] <MTeck> so farm means, upload to repos?
[04:24] <dtchen> MTeck: dinstall, rsync, etc.
[04:25] <MTeck> !info dinstall
[04:25] <billybigrigger> dtchen, any insight as to why -8 was built 10 hours before it was actually released in git?
[04:25] <MTeck> !dinstall
[04:25] <dtchen> (see dak)
[04:25] <billybigrigger> not that it really matters
[04:25] <dtchen> billybigrigger: right, it doesn't ultimately matter to end users
[04:25] <billybigrigger> i'm just used to seeing the rc kernel in mainline a few hours AFTER being released in git
[04:26] <dtchen> the PPA buildds don't have the same process
[04:26] <dtchen> they're auto-accept
[04:26] <bjsnider> keanu, yes
[04:26] <dtchen> i.e., soyuz treats the archive proper different to PPA archives
[04:26]  * MTeck slips knowledge stream from dtchen to self
[04:27] <dtchen> billybigrigger: -8 does not correspond to 2.6.31-rc8
[04:27] <dtchen> billybigrigger: it corresponds to KSM being reverted, hence the ABI bump to -8-
[04:27] <billybigrigger> :-O
[04:27] <dtchen> billybigrigger: in fact, the rebase against 2.6.31-rc8 has not yet occurred in ubuntu-karmic.git
[04:28] <billybigrigger> 31-8 doesn't = 31-rc8?
[04:28] <billybigrigger> i'm flabber gasted
[04:28] <dtchen> the KSM addition in 2.6.31-7.27 caused the spectacular LVM boot failures
[04:28]  * MTeck is excited for ksm reversion - idk what ksm is but I don't like the change
[04:28] <billybigrigger> i was always under the assumption it was
[04:28] <dtchen> tim/andy will rebase against rc8 in the morning
[04:28] <billybigrigger> boot failures!?!? haha what about the shutdown hangs? :P
[04:28] <dtchen> (i.e., a few hours?)
[04:29] <dtchen> billybigrigger: well, i can't speak for those, but it's probable those are resolved, too
[04:29] <dtchen> i.e., if 2.6.31-rc7 mainline did not hang on reboot/shutdown, then 2.6.31-8.28 does resolve that symptom
[04:29] <DanaG> UGH, stupid Deluge makes instantly-expiring UPnP port-forwards.
[04:30] <billybigrigger> DanaG, you must have something configured wrong
[04:30] <billybigrigger> i see you were complaing about slow upload speeds
[04:30] <DanaG> Nope, I see the ports appear for one refresh cycle in the router's web ui, and then they immediately disappear.
[04:30] <billybigrigger> if i let deluge run free it will max upstream and downstream bandwidth for me
[04:31] <DanaG> http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/ticket/973
[04:32] <dtchen> MTeck: you may find http://lwn.net/Articles/330589/ enlightening, then
[04:32] <MTeck> thanks
[04:32] <MTeck> I'll read
[04:32] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtorrent-rasterbar/+bug/419417
[04:34] <bjsnider> dtchen, what do you think of oss4?
[04:35] <DanaG> It breaks OSS3 protocol by giving spurious signals, so I couldn't use PA on top of it.
[04:35] <DanaG> I'm sticking with ALSA.
[04:35] <bjsnider> you wouldn't need pa since it does software mixing
[04:35] <DanaG> I do use the multi-device features, though.
[04:36] <DanaG> yay, new libtorrent fixes upnp.
[04:36] <DanaG> Cool, now I can stop griping about that, at least.
[04:37] <DanaG> =þ
[04:40] <DanaG> oh, I see... only one peer -> slow.
[04:41] <MTeck> dtchen: interesting
[04:43] <dtchen> bjsnider: deprecated, really- Hannu's already thinking about OSSv5
[04:43] <MTeck> dtchen: so the cost to keep comparing is lower than the cost of duplicate pages?
[04:44] <dtchen> bjsnider: and he's musing about moving things into userspace (sound familiar to, say, ALSA?)
[04:44] <bjsnider> that's not exactly the "i hate it i hate it i hate it" that i expected
[04:44] <dtchen> bjsnider: why would i hate it?
[04:45] <judgen> hmm i did an update today and now the volume control panel applet does not work.
[04:45] <dtchen> OSS and ALSA have their pros and cons
[04:45] <bjsnider> well, you've obviously thrown your lot in with alsa/pulse
[04:45] <dtchen> "my" lot?
[04:45] <bjsnider> well, you work on alsa and pulse
[04:45] <bjsnider> that seems to be an endorsement to me
[04:46] <dtchen> that's practical. It's where Ubuntu decided to head, and that's where i work.
[04:46] <bjsnider> i see
[04:47] <dtchen> besides, i'm not overzealous WRT ALSA or PA- i know from experience that reinventing the wheel- even if it's a better, faster, stronger wheel- still has disadvantages
[04:47] <DanaG> dtchen: just yesterday, Skype finally released a version that fixes the brokenness with PulseAudio.
[04:47] <dtchen> eleven years in Linux audio tends to do that
[04:48] <DanaG> http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=240691&st=60&start=60
[04:48] <dtchen> DanaG: yes, i'm aware
[04:48] <DanaG> It takes a bit of wrapping to get it to use qtkstyle on 64-bit.  =þ
[04:48] <DanaG> And I don't even have any friends who use it, anyway.
[04:49] <dtchen> ia32-libs should be going away in Karmic+1 anyhow
[04:49] <alankila> hmm, what, no more support for 32 bits?
[04:49] <judgen> Anyone know how to fix the volume control issue?
[04:49] <dtchen> alankila: dpkg will be gaining native multiarch.
[04:49] <alankila> oh.
[04:49] <MindVirus1> What's that xorg.conf-generating program?
[04:51] <bjsnider> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[04:51] <MindVirus1> Also, why do I have two copies of "Software Sources", "Update Manager", and "Add/Remove Programs" -- each with slightly different names and icons?
[04:52] <MindVirus1> bjsnider: it didn't generate anything.
[04:54] <bjsnider> wait, alsa runs in userspace?
[04:54] <bjsnider> alsa doesn't run in userspace
[04:55] <dtchen> bjsnider: ALSA has two components, one in kernelspace and one in userspace
[04:55] <DanaG> hmm, is policykit supposed to have lost the "remember authentication" options
[04:55] <dtchen> the former is known as alsa-kernel/alsa-driver (what in Ubuntu is triaged against 'linux' source)
[04:55] <DanaG> ?
[04:55] <dtchen> the latter is alsa-lib
[04:55] <dtchen> some extensions are packaged as alsa-plugins
[04:56] <DanaG> hmm, new snapshot of PulseAudio.
[04:56] <DanaG> test6-25.
[04:56] <dtchen> yes, changeset db835deb9814e26b2999f66bdd455a1fd4ff0044
[04:56] <DanaG> Anything specifically new, besides the loopback?
[04:56] <DanaG> oops, I type a bit slowly there.
[04:56] <bjsnider> well, skype can still take down the kernel for me, so there's stuff exposed to the user that runs in kernelspace
[04:56] <dtchen> well, some of the asm fixes from Wim
[04:57] <MindVirus1> I'm getting weird screen-shakes.
[04:57] <MindVirus1> At random times. Though it seems like they only occur right before a libnotify window appears.
[05:01] <dtchen> bjsnider: err, take down linux?
[05:01] <dtchen> bjsnider: it's likely we're not doing sufficient bounds-checking in pcm_lib.c (linux)
[05:07] <judgen> How do i stop nautilus from relaunching itself after i kill it?
[05:10] <MindVirus1> UbuntuOne is completely functionless.
[05:10] <MindVirus1> I cannot sign in and I cannot click Not Now.
[05:15] <MindVirus1> I am of the understanding that HAL is being phased out. Why?
[05:15] <MTeck> -8 not yet available :(
[05:17] <MTeck> MindVirus1: I was curious too..
[05:17] <MindVirus1> Anyone around that can answer this?
[05:19] <MTeck> MindVirus1: I think many of the smart guys are on their way to sleep
[05:19] <MindVirus1> Sadly in any other room, you'd be the smart guy.
[05:20] <MTeck> me? I'm only the smart guy in a few rooms - I don't visit most of them....
[05:20] <tgpraveen1> MTeck: MindVirus1Hal is being phased out
[05:20] <tgpraveen1> as it has become too old
[05:20] <tgpraveen1> and bloated and buggy
[05:20] <tgpraveen1> and all
[05:20] <tgpraveen1> and some of it's function were incorporated in other softwrares like kernel,etc
[05:21] <MindVirus1> I love it when #ubuntu+1 exists -- this channel has the highest signal-to-noise ratio of any channel, I'd say.
[05:21] <tgpraveen1> so now it is being replaced by devicekit
[05:21] <MTeck> tgpraveen1: if you read the first line you wrote - what you said sounds mean
[05:21] <MindVirus1> tgpraveen1: OK. It's just that in my xorg.conf a few lines were commented out -- they said that things were replaced by HAL.
[05:22] <MTeck> tgpraveen1: My xorg.conf is blank
[05:22] <MTeck> You can probably empty it and be jsut fine
[05:22] <MindVirus1> I know I can.
[05:22] <MindVirus1> Only thing: I can't use UXA.
[05:22] <MindVirus1> Too slow.
[05:22] <tgpraveen1> hmm xorg.conf wasnt it like removed/lost its significance in jaunty cycle
[05:23] <MTeck> ya
[05:25] <tgpraveen1> what is release date for alpha 5?
[05:25] <MTeck> tgpraveen1: topic
[05:26] <tgpraveen1> damn empathy doesnt display topic sometimes
[05:26] <MTeck>  /topic
[05:26] <tgpraveen1> gotta file a bug for that
[05:26] <tgpraveen1> doesnt work in empathy
[05:26] <tgpraveen1> irc commands
[05:26] <MTeck> :S
[05:26] <MTeck> Sept 3
[05:26] <MindVirus1> My graphics performance is abysmal. Could someone help me debug? Things were great in 9.04.
[05:27] <MindVirus1> I remember trying UXA and having this crap.
[05:27] <tgpraveen1> sometimes i also think empathy move is a bit premature
[05:27] <tgpraveen1> MindVirus1: which graphics card?
[05:27] <MindVirus1> Intel 945GME.
[05:27] <MindVirus1> Also, I prefer Pidgin.
[05:27] <MTeck> tgpraveen1: irssi ftw - the devs are seemingly all pricks - but they did a pretty good job
[05:28] <MindVirus1> Will Rhythmbox be phased out in favor of Banshee?
[05:28] <tgpraveen1> MTeck: yeah even with pidgin devs thats the case
[05:28] <tgpraveen1> MindVirus1: NO
[05:28] <tgpraveen1> not for karmic
[05:28] <tgpraveen1> mostly for karmic+1
[05:28] <MindVirus1> Whoa, buddy.
[05:34] <mpontillo> so in Karmic pulseaudio is forcing my PCM volume to be 100%... I need it to be lower than that, or my laptop speakers sound awful. anyone have an idea where to look? I don't see anything obvious in /etc/pulse...
[05:34] <andresmh> the Xorg update from today disabled my Compiz and it's not allowing me to renable it due to lack of drivers: Desktop effects could not be enabled
[05:34] <andresmh> I have an intel video card
[05:35] <andresmh> how do I report this bug?
[05:35] <x1250> mpontillo, same happened here. My fix: sudo aptitude purge pulseaudio, and make a menu item with: alsamixer -c 0
[05:36] <MTeck> andresmh: bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - it's likely already reported - you should look for it first
[05:36] <andresmh> how would i search for it? is it a bug in Xorg or Compiz? Or both? MTeck
[05:36] <DanaG> x1250: that's not a fix.  that's a workaround.  =þ
[05:37] <mpontillo> yeah - a little brute force, but I might have to try it if I don't find a way to make pulse behave ;)
[05:37] <x1250> hehe
[05:37] <DanaG> Some time this weekend, I'll file a bug report on PA's bad behavior with my USB sound card.
[05:37] <DanaG> What the sound card does: it has one "Speaker" slider and one "Speaker 1" slider.
[05:38] <DanaG> Pulseaudio uses only one of them.... and only one of them works.   ........
[05:38] <MindVirus1> tgpraveen1: you there?
[05:38] <DanaG> .... the OTHER one.
[05:38] <MTeck> andresmh: can you pastebin the output from compiz --replace ?
[05:38] <tgpraveen1> MindVirus1: wassup?
[05:39] <MindVirus1> Do you know what to do about my slow graphics?
[05:39] <tgpraveen1> MindVirus1: not exactly but i have seen similar problems posted on forum
[05:40] <tgpraveen1> many times i think u should search there. a solution was mentioned in many posts iirc
[05:40] <andresmh> MTeck, http://paste2.org/p/402738
[05:41] <andresmh> MTeck, I must say that it has not returned yet, it's stuck on that last line. I'm tempted to Ctrl+C it...
[05:41] <mpontillo> andresmh: if you run 'gnome-appearance-properties' from the terminal it also prints some tracing output (though it may be [pretty much] the same as 'compiz --replace')
[05:42] <MTeck> andresmh: if it's hanging there - it means compiz is running
[05:42] <andresmh> my Xorg crashed for some reason MTeck, sorry if I missed your message
[05:43] <andresmh> oh
[05:43] <andresmh> you're right, compiz is running now
[05:43] <andresmh> it's weird that starting it from Appearence app didn't let me start it
[05:43] <mpontillo> andresmh: if you run 'gnome-appearance-properties' from the terminal it also prints some tracing output (though it may be [pretty much] the same as 'compiz --replace') <-- I said that but didn't realize you had left the room
[05:44] <andresmh> argh, my Xorg crashes when I do alt+tab while running compiz
[05:44] <andresmh> it has happened 3 times now
[05:44] <andresmh> thanks mpontillo, I'll try that too
[05:45] <mpontillo> DanaG: think there's any debugging to try w/ my 100%-volume-pcm w/pulse problem, or should I just file a bug?
[05:45] <DanaG> eh, probably file a bug -- if it gets distorted with PCM at 100%, I'd think the kernel should have a quirk to limit it, right?
[05:47] <andresmh> mpontillo, MTeck: so I tried to enable compiz with gnome-appearane-properties from the terminal. It failed. Here are the errors: http://pastebin.com/d29237a29
[05:47] <mpontillo> (heh, my X crashed too, that's what I get for following along with andresmh and running compiz --replace in a terminal, then closing the terminal without thinking)
[05:47] <andresmh> hehe mpontillo
[05:48] <MTeck> andresmh: ya - file a bug
[05:49] <andresmh> MTeck, which package does the bug belong to?
[05:49] <MTeck> andresmh: compiz
[05:49] <andresmh> what was the command to file bugs from the terminal?
[05:49] <MTeck> apport
[05:50] <MTeck> idk the syntax though
[05:50] <mpontillo> I think it would be: apport-cli -f -p compiz
[05:52] <andresmh> seems to be working mpontillo, take a while
[05:58] <Lunis> alrighty, so i did a dist-upgrade earlier. all went well until the new kernel modules were installed. now the kernel can't and won't read my external usb drive
[05:59] <Lunis> it's the whole "error -71" thing... "device descriptor read/64, error -71" to be precise
[06:01] <Lunis> so according to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=797789 there's two fixes
[06:01] <Lunis> both require actually booting in to the system, but i can't do that since it's the external usb drive that i'm booting from
[06:02] <Lunis> in my olden gentoo days i could use chroot, but that doesn't seem to work so well anymore. how can i rebuild the initrds without being able to actually boot in to the system?
[06:02] <DanaG> grr, stupid notify-osd... I skip 3 tracks, it takes like 30 seconds to show all 3 notifications.
[06:04] <judgen> anyone here using xwinwrap?
[06:04] <DanaG> in fact, it's faster to kill notify-osd than to wait for it to finish notifying.
[06:06] <Lunis> heh, 200 people and noone with any ideas?
[06:08] <DanaG> hmm, chroots have worked fine for me.
[06:08] <DanaG> What's breaking on chroot?
[06:13] <burner> anyone know how to get my keyboard shortcuts to work again?  I can't even open the preferences for it anymoe
[06:19] <MindVirus1> I can't open gnome-terminal.
[06:19] <MindVirus1> Some assertion fails.
[06:19] <MindVirus1> Furthermore, gedit is severely dumbed down.
[06:21] <MindVirus1> Anyone around?
[06:24] <MindVirus1> Hello....
[06:26] <burner> open xterm :)
[06:27] <MindVirus1> I need gnome-terminal to work.
[06:28] <burner> i can't do alt+f2 to run either one
[06:28] <burner> alt+tab is my only hotkey that works
[06:30] <MindVirus1> burner: would you like help?
[06:32] <burner> hence my blathering
[06:32] <MindVirus1> burner: Do you know about Ctrl+Alt+F1-6? DON'T try them if you don't.
[06:33] <burner> lol
[06:33] <burner> i do
[06:33] <MindVirus1> Good. I was hoping to help you by telling you to make a shortcut to gnome-terminal or xterm on your desktop for now.
[06:33]  * burner notes this is #ubuntu+1 and not #ubuntu :)
[06:34] <MindVirus1> burner: I cannot make assumptions.
[06:34] <burner> i have it on my panel... but that's lame ;)
[06:34] <burner> i like my ctrl+alt+t for terminal
[06:34] <MindVirus1> I use Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Del.
[06:34] <burner> crunchbang's extensive use of hotkeys is awesome
[06:36] <DanaG> http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/27/sharps-5-inch-pc-z1-netwalker-honors-the-zaurus-legacy
[06:36] <DanaG> oooooooooooooh.  now THAT.... is high-dpi!
[06:41] <krushia> seems kexec is broken in the kubuntu-alpha4. can anyone confirm?
[06:41] <krushia> as in, kexec is not used for reboots when installed
[06:44] <DanaG> 237 DPI / PPI, to be exact.
[06:54] <MindVirus1> I can't start gnome-terminal. Any suggestions?
[06:55] <MindVirus1> Ahh. I cleared out my /tmp.
[06:56] <mpontillo> DanaG: so yeah, I'll likely file a bug, but I'm going to see if I can do due diligence and ask around in #pulseaudio first
[07:05] <judgen> Does noone else have problems with broken volume control applet after update, or is it just me?
[07:06] <nzmm> describe broken, there is lots of broken when it comes to sound
[07:06] <MindVirus1> judgen: me too.
[07:07] <judgen> nzmm, the applet is just not working, but sound and everything works.
[07:07] <nzmm> oh
[07:07] <judgen> nzmm, the icon does not even show up..
[07:08] <nzmm> oh, well mines still there, but then i havn't updated today
[07:09] <judgen> is there an alternative volume control i can use with the gnome panel?
[07:09] <judgen> i mean i can use the mixer and all that, but i find it so handy just to move over the applet and use the scroll wheel.
[07:10] <douglasawh> nzmm: amen to that
[07:14] <nzmm> judgen:  yes i like to be able to scroll the volume up and down as well.  Pitty the new stepping is quite small so you have to do lots of scrolling nowadays
[07:16] <MindVirus1> direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set)
[07:16] <MindVirus1> What do I do about this?
[07:17] <nzmm> google turn this up: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=664661
[07:18] <judgen> When im trying to add a new volume control applet instance to a panel it tells me that its aged....
[07:18] <MindVirus1> nzmm: that's from pre-2008.
[07:18] <judgen> deprecated
[07:19] <MindVirus1> judgen: there is a volume applet in the notification area now.
[07:19] <judgen> MindVirus1, i do not have one of those.
[07:20] <judgen> MindVirus1, how do i enable it?
[07:20] <MindVirus1> I have no clue.
[07:20] <MindVirus1> I got it for free.
[07:21] <MTeck> hurray -8 is in the repos
[07:21] <raymondjtoth> hi any one here
[07:21] <MTeck> no
[07:22] <raymondjtoth> lol
[07:22] <raymondjtoth> how i play mms streams in ubuntu 9.10
[07:22] <raymondjtoth> ?
[07:22] <nzmm> i was
[07:22] <MTeck> there's not 202 people aside from you in here
[07:22] <raymondjtoth> 205
[07:22] <MindVirus1> MTeck: a lot of people are idle.
[07:22] <MindVirus1> 206.
[07:22] <nzmm> raymondjtoth:  vlc?
[07:22] <raymondjtoth> how i play mms streams in ubuntu 9.10?
[07:23] <raymondjtoth> nzm i want to use what all ready installed in ubuntu 9.10
[07:23] <raymondjtoth> to learn how to do it with default player
[07:23] <MTeck> I really hate it when they do that in #ubuntu - with over 1,000 people in there
[07:23] <nzmm> have a link?
[07:23] <nzmm> an example stream to try
[07:23] <nzmm> ?
[07:23] <raymondjtoth> i have it telling me i dont have mms support
[07:24] <raymondjtoth> like hsn or my church site
[07:24] <raymondjtoth> nzm i have movie player
[07:25] <raymondjtoth> nzm what ii do to play mss streams?
[07:26] <raymondjtoth> i mean not mss mms streams
[07:27] <raymondjtoth> see no help for my problem :(
[07:28] <nzmm> raymondjtoth:  well i tried a random mms stream i found on the net an it seemed to break totem
[07:28] <nzmm> on the other hand if you install vlc it works ok
[07:28] <raymondjtoth> nzm how i get it to work in totem meny of my sits use that plasyer only
[07:30] <raymondjtoth> nzm any thing i can do?
[07:30] <nzmm> not sure at this point
[07:30] <raymondjtoth> nzmm is there any plug in i can use for it
[07:31] <raymondjtoth> ?
[07:33] <raymondjtoth> ?
[07:33] <nzmm> raymondjtoth:  i just tried this mms stream in totem and it worked
[07:33] <nzmm> mms://69.65.23.160/Roethlisberger_05HoustonPost_340.wmv
[07:33] <raymondjtoth> ok is there any plug in i can use
[07:33] <nzmm> coy that and open totem then go to open location paste i there and see what happens
[07:33] <nzmm> copy*
[07:33] <raymondjtoth> ok will do
[07:35] <raymondjtoth> nzmm any plug in i can use?
[07:35] <raymondjtoth> or codex
[07:36] <nzmm> well its wmv stream that i pasted so you would need to install the ubuntu restricted meta package
[07:36] <raymondjtoth> nzmm how i do that
[07:38] <nzmm> Applications > Add/Remove packages > show 'all available applications' > search for 'restricted' > check  the package called 'Ubuntu restricted extras' > Apply
[07:38] <nzmm> see what happens
[07:39] <raymondjtoth> nzmm i have it install any other
[07:39] <MindVirus1> I am not dierct-rendering with an Intel 945GME. Any suggestions?
[07:40] <nzmm> raymondjtoth:  i think i am out of ideas
[07:40] <raymondjtoth> nzmm will try gstreamer bad set
[07:41] <MindVirus1> Anyone?
[07:42] <nzmm> raymondjtoth:  yea good thought
[07:45] <judgen> if you use xine backend instead of gstreamer you can use mms
[07:46] <nzmm> well for me mms worked ok with totem
[07:46] <tbryant> Noticed a couple things with Karmic so far: USA layout is used by default in GDM even when I try to switch to Dvorak, I can't use it. And I can't reboot from within GNOME (haven't tried from GDM), I get sent to a console with a blinking "_" until I hard reboot.
[07:47] <raymondjtoth> nzmm how i install the gstreamer bad set
[07:47] <raymondjtoth> i cant finde it and in add remove i get need somthing way eles to isntll it
[07:48] <nzmm> try searching for it in synaptic
[07:48] <raymondjtoth> nzmm what its called in there
[07:48] <raymondjtoth> will look
[07:48] <tbryant> raymondjtoth, "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad"
[07:48] <nzmm> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
[07:49] <raymondjtoth> got it found it
[07:49] <raymondjtoth> thanks tbr
[07:49] <raymondjtoth> that found it
[07:49] <nzmm> cool
[07:49] <tbryant> raymondjtoth, no problem.
[07:49] <raymondjtoth> will try my mms
[07:49] <raymondjtoth> agen
[07:50] <tbryant> raymondjtoth, you can try using "apt-cache search what-you're-searching-for" when you want to find the name of a package, or use Synaptic.
[07:50] <raymondjtoth> i used synaptic
[07:50] <raymondjtoth> easyer for me
[07:50] <tbryant> That's what it's there for ;]
[07:52] <raymondjtoth> that fixed it
[07:52] <raymondjtoth> the bad set
[07:52] <raymondjtoth> i think
[07:53] <MindVirus1> Has anyone experience with graphics issues?
[07:54] <tbryant> MindVirus1, I think getting a bit more specific would get you more help.
[07:54] <MindVirus1> tbryant: being more specific gets me ignored.
[07:54] <MindVirus1> :)
[07:54] <tbryant> Well then no one can help I assume :P
[07:55] <MindVirus1> I'm running an Intel 945GME.
[07:55] <tbryant> What's the problem? I doubt I'll be able to help, but you never know.
[07:55] <MindVirus1> I don't get direct rendering.
[07:56] <tbryant> "sudo updatedb" and then "locate libGL.so"
[07:57] <tbryant> What is the output of the second command?
[07:59] <MindVirus1> /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[07:59] <MindVirus1> /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[07:59] <tbryant> Can you paste your xorg.conf to http://pastebin.ca/ please?
[07:59] <tbryant> /etc/X11/xorg.conf *
[08:00] <MindVirus1> It is empty.
[08:03] <Innomen> my macvhine hangs at checking battery state, is this a known issue (and this machine has no question mark key colon or right parin lol
[08:16] <qzio> I've just upgraded to 9.10. problem: the keyboard third switcher isn't working in gui apps. It works in gvim, but not in firefox, not in empathy, not in the keyboard-setting window either
[08:16] <qzio> but it works in terminals, gvim.
[08:17] <alteregoa> how can i increase text resolution? e.g 160x50?
[08:17] <qzio> xev says
[08:17] <qzio> state 0x0, keycode 134 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift), same_screen YES, XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 92
[08:22] <MindVirus1> Hello?
[08:23] <MindVirus1> I forget with whom I spoke
[08:23] <MindVirus1> .
[08:24] <MindVirus1> judgen: I remember talking to you. Could you scroll up and tell me who offered advice?
[08:29] <MindVirus1> Right-o. Does anyone know how to get direct rendering?
[09:09] <MindVirus1> This is the 3rd time my computer screen turned black for no reason.
[09:09] <MindVirus1> I assume this has to do with UXA.
[09:15] <taneli> what's up with Packages.bz2 hash sum mismatches?
[09:26] <eagles0513875> hey guys seems like the error with the ttf-mscorefonts links to the repos have changed :( what do i need to do to remedy the situation so i can finish installing kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[09:42] <Brandon_> it says insert disk to cdrom/ but the disc is already inserted, what have i done?
[09:51] <EduardWitteveen> server: how do i get the proxy_ajp modules? this module is not provided, but is default with the apache > 2.1 IIRC. Should i download apache 2.2.12 binairy and extract the specific module? recompile the package?
[09:58] <Hirato> knetworkmanager needs some love...
[09:59] <Hirato> how would you manually go about connecting to a wireless network you've made a "connection profile" for?
[10:00] <Hirato> knetworkmanager completely refused the obvious (clicking on the network) as an attempt to connect to said wireless network, and it also completely avoiding connecting, despite being told to connect to said network in start up
[10:01] <Hirato> (I've since removed the profile, and readded it, and it connected succesfully)
[10:05] <EduardWitteveen> server: how do i get the proxy_ajp modules? this module is not provided, but is default with the apache > 2.1 IIRC. Should i download apache 2.2.12 binairy and extract the specific module? recompile the package?
[10:36] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[11:39] <ali1234> i just updated, got a partial update, it hard locked half way through, now the machine is not booting
[11:49] <gnomefreak> ali1234: can you boot into recovery mode?
[11:49] <ali1234> gnomefreak: i realised it is actually booting, just X isn't starting
[11:50] <ali1234> i'm running dpkg to fix it now
[11:50] <gnomefreak> ali1234: ok
[11:51] <gnomefreak> brb testing 2.6.31-8
[12:25] <eagles0513875> anyone wanna help me confirm this bug with kubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:29] <shappie> Hi, im encoutering this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/405828 (kubuntu 9.10 fully updated)
[12:29] <shappie> encoutering*
[12:30] <shappie> encountering*
[12:30] <shappie> The guy in the bug report got it fixed but i cant find out how...
[12:32] <shappie> The only diffence is that if i boot my system i get the error (then i run fsck manually) but if i reboot immediatly again i can boot into kubuntu
[12:33] <shappie> So to get into my desktop i need to boot it twice (first time to run fsck second time normal)
[12:33] <oldude67> ok im running kde on karmic, and i just went to system settings and installed some splash screens, where does it download them too, and why didnt it just put it where the rest of them are?
[12:35] <arvind_khadri> shappie, i confirm that
[12:35] <shappie> arvind_khadri: you got same problem?
[12:36] <alankila> damn, every karmic bootup these days requires me to fsck the root fs
[12:36] <shappie> alankila: Indeed...
[12:36] <arvind_khadri> shappie, yes, see alankila also confirms
[12:36] <shappie> There is no workaround or fix for this atm?
[12:37] <alankila> oh, someone else is already complaining about it
[12:37] <shappie> lol yea
[12:38] <shappie> btw i got another little question: What is the little mail icon right corner of my taskbar?
[12:38] <alankila> well, I got more complaints. My damn ubuntu never shut downs correctly in halt mode. It used to work a while ago, but it usually rebooted right back in halt. Now it halted with previous kernel, with this it just crashes in halt. How/why is it so hard to shut down the damn box?
[12:38] <shappie> indicator display or something...
[12:38] <arvind_khadri> shappie, its the one with pdgin thing
[12:38] <shappie> pdgin thing?
[12:38] <shappie> with clean install it came left of the time...
[12:39] <shappie> I cant find out what it does
[12:39] <arvind_khadri> shappie, yes, same here... i guess its a mail indicator, which is quite buggy as of now, as it doesnt say anything
[12:39] <shappie> Yea lol, if i press on it it shows some weird white thing above my taskbar...
[12:40] <shappie> and no options (except shortcuts) to...
[12:40] <arvind_khadri> :), btw can you shutdown? i cant
[12:41] <shappie> arvind_khadri: Just shutdown (halt) or reboot?
[12:41] <oldude67> arvind_khadri, if you update and get the new -8 kernel it will help with the shutdown.
[12:41] <arvind_khadri> alankila, mine doesnt shutdown in normal mode, and also hangs up when rebooting
[12:41] <shappie> if i halt while in the terminal with fsck error i cant halt indeed
[12:41] <alankila> well, I haven't tried reboot option yet, but somehow I bet we have the same issue.
[12:42] <shappie> he didnt go further with stopping (cont / stop) RC
[12:42] <arvind_khadri> oldude67, but when i did that aptitude complained of it being broken and i had to remove it
[12:42] <oldude67> arvind_khadri, mine wouldnt shutdown right for the last 2 days and i installed the new -8 kernel this morning it was fixed.
[12:43] <oldude67> arvind_khadri, ah sorry i didnt have that problem..it just went right threw.
[12:43] <shappie> Ooh i still got kernel 7
[12:43] <shappie> Im updating it right now
[12:43] <oldude67> -8 was out this morning.
[12:43] <shappie> Ok
[12:44] <arvind_khadri> WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/lsb_release.py is linked but does not belong to any package. what about that?
[12:44] <shappie> didnt see it before...
[12:44] <shappie> i did get weird errors with package manager yesterdya
[12:44] <oldude67> arvind_khadri, mine always says that, i just ignore it and let it go.
[12:44] <shappie> When it finished it says that is doesnt have a option: requireRestart or something...
[12:45] <shappie> Pretty weird coz i did get the popup with required restart
[12:45] <oldude67> shappie, everyone was having issues yesterday.
[12:45] <shappie> Ok, i installed it yesterday evening...
[12:46] <shappie> I have to go, hope things het fixed asap, bb
[12:46] <arvind_khadri> oldude67, do i need to have linux-image?
[12:47] <oldude67> arvind_khadri, i dont remember for sure but there are a few packages held back, and it might be one.i didnt look real close.
[12:48] <alankila> Okay, best get that -8 in...
[12:48] <oldude67> arvind_khadri, i just installed it, cause of the shutdown issue i was having, hoping it would fix it.
[12:48] <arvind_khadri> oldude67, ok :)
[12:49] <oldude67> arvind_khadri, after i installed the -8 kernel when it said to reboot i had to reach down and manually shut it all the way off, but after that i tested shutdown and reboot, and both worked.
[12:50] <arvind_khadri> oldude67, ok...its getting installed now...
[12:50] <gnomefreak> everyone was having it
[12:50] <oldude67> ya i know, but the -8 kernel fixed mine did it help you gnomefreak ?
[12:51] <gnomefreak> oldude67: not on first reboot no i am finishing up bug work and trying again
[12:52] <oldude67> oh ok, when i got it loaded and it said i had to reboot, mine still hung up, but i rebooted into the new kernel and it was fine since.
[12:53] <oldude67> now i just have to figure out the easiest and best way to get rid of the 3 extra kernels in my grub so i dont have them just laying around...thank god for google..:D
[12:56] <arvind_khadri> oldude67, uninstall them and remove from menu.lst
[12:57] <oldude67> the last time i tried that i still had them in grub..and i know im about to have problems again as i have 5 of them in there now.
[13:01] <gnomefreak> anyone have the shutdown bug handy?
[13:04] <oldude67> i dont :(
[13:04] <gnomefreak> i commented in the kernel channel
[13:10] <gnomefreak> it is bug 418509
[13:25] <mac_v> gnomefreak: you made me unnecessarily reboot ! ;p
[13:26] <mac_v> "I take my last comment back it is fixed here"
[13:26] <gnomefreak> :)
[13:26] <gnomefreak> sorry too many things at once here
[13:26] <gnomefreak> be back in a min
[13:50] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: :(
[13:50] <eagles0513875> ttf-mscorefonts is broken one of the fonts is using a bad link to the server as well as bad link to the mirrors
[13:50] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: what did i do now ;)
[13:50] <oldude67> well just got rid of all the old kernels and did a update-grub,now lets see if i have grub issues..brb.:D
[13:50] <eagles0513875> nothing
[13:50] <gnomefreak> Oli``: its a good idea to keep one other kernel that the one you are using
[13:51] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: im just upset i cant get kubuntu-restricted-extras fully installed due to the andal32 font having bad links to the servers for wget
[13:51] <gnomefreak> damn i ment olddude
[13:51] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: still? is there a bug on it?
[13:51] <eagles0513875> i filed one against it
[13:51] <eagles0513875> would you like me to link it
[13:52] <gnomefreak> please
[13:52] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/420415
[13:53] <gnomefreak> thanks
[13:53] <eagles0513875> no problem
[13:54] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: just to add to it i tried to ping those repos and seems like they are down
[13:54] <eagles0513875> mirrors included
[13:55] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: are you able to load http://kinotip.cz/ without any problems?
[13:55] <eagles0513875> none of the mirrors work
[13:55] <eagles0513875> they all time out
[13:55] <oldude67> yeah! i finally did something with the kernels and didnt bork anything up...:D
[13:57] <gnomefreak> ok looking at bug and thinking eagles0513875
[13:57] <eagles0513875> ok
[13:57] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: if you feel like trying it out try install it
[13:57] <gnomefreak> btw the link test is for bug 420396
[13:57] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: i dont have kubuntu installed atm
[13:57] <eagles0513875> go ahead and try it on ubuntu im sure ubuntu-restricted-extras is the same and contains that package
[13:59] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: Recommends: ttf-mscorefonts-installer  the installer is why it grabs the .exe  ill be back in a few
[14:00] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:00] <eagles0513875> me 2 im off to have lunch
[14:05] <c_korn> apt-get update currently fails with "W: Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch"
[14:05] <c_korn> when are the mirrors updated usually ?
[14:06] <gnomefreak> c_korn: hourly IIRC
[14:06] <gnomefreak> c_korn: try using gb instead of de
[14:07] <gnomefreak> gb works here fine
[14:10] <c_korn> gnomefreak: yes, works. thanks
[14:11] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: commented on bug, sorry i know you are not here
[14:11] <gnomefreak> c_korn: c_korn gb is best to use since it is updated first as i recall
[14:11]  * gnomefreak in us but us repos suck
[14:11] <c_korn> good to know
[14:14] <maxpayneisnotava> lusers
[14:15] <maxpayneisnotava> hi folks, does anyone know how to use stardict(qstardict) with okular?
[14:24] <gnomefreak> does anyone have cupsddk installed?
[14:24] <gnomefreak> or even cups-ppdc
[14:26] <Milos_SD> anyone has any problems with 2.6.31-rc8 kernel?
[14:27] <Milos_SD> my can't boot... As I can see, it stops before loading my tv card tuner (winfast 2000/xp expert -> cx8800)
[14:38] <shadeslayer> hey anyone in KDE?
[14:41] <ripps> I'm not sure I like the vertically centered notify-osd
[14:42] <genii> shadeslayer: Yes
[14:43] <shadeslayer> genii: can you get composting to work?
[14:43] <genii> shadeslayer: I expect you mean compositing. Yes., it works fine on my Nvidia 8300m with 185 drivers
[14:44] <shadeslayer> hmm.... i compiled the nvidia drivers for the 2.6.31-7-generic kernel....worked till about yesterday night when the updates broke something
[14:46] <genii> shadeslayer: I installed the stock 185 driver when in -6 kernel, survived all the updates and is working righ now in -7
[14:47] <shadeslayer> genii: theres a new kernel out :P
[14:47] <shadeslayer> genii: http://pastebin.ca/1545802
[14:49] <shadeslayer> oh got it to work :P
[14:49] <genii> shadeslayer: I just checked now for updates on this box and looks like there are some available. Might be the -8
[14:50] <shadeslayer> hopefully it solves the hang problem
[14:50]  * shadeslayer crosses his fingers
[14:56] <tgpraveen1> http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/08/new-features-ubuntu-karmic-910.html
[14:57] <tgpraveen1> nice blog post i came across
[14:58]  * shadeslayer bookmarks.... LUG meeting on Monday
[14:58] <genii> shadeslayer: I'm also getting the fail to poweroff thing when shutting down. Real annoying
[14:59] <shadeslayer> genii: yeah... but thats what alphas are all about ;)
[15:00] <genii> Yuppers
[15:00] <shadeslayer> im currently trying to get xsplash to work :P
[15:07] <itswhatev> i can readily repro some intelfb_panic from libdrm.. i saw it in a sysrq dump.  how do i capture that info?
[15:15] <vak> hi all#
[15:15] <vak> I am going to try a package from Karmic, but I don't want to upgrade all things from Jaunty to Karmic yet.
[15:15] <mac_v> genii: its is fixed in the latest kernel update -8 , update and shutdown twice :)
[15:16] <vak> here is the package from Karmic: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/bugzilla3
[15:16] <genii> I just noticed the last 29 updates have in there acpi-support
[15:17] <vak> I thought, that I could use temporarily "deb http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu karmic main universe" to upgrade bugzilla3 and then comment out this line from sources.list
[15:18] <genii> vak: You should use instead the deb-src, get and build
[15:18] <genii> Work, afk
[15:19] <vak> genii: would the package be auto upgraded later if I do so?
[15:29] <Machtin> hm.. when i use thunderbird on windows with googlemail imap, i receive my emails when they arrive - with maximum 2s delay, i'd say..
[15:29] <Machtin> when i use claws-mail here, it's just the usual delay like on pop (client checks every 10minutes).. why is that so fast on thunderbird?
[15:30] <genii> vak: If an official repo version supercedes it, yes
[15:30] <vak> genii: OK
[15:30] <vak> genii: thanks
[15:39] <eagles0513875> genii: do you have kubuntu installed on a vm or machine
[15:40] <genii> eagles0513875: On my physical box... separate partitions for my 9.10 and 9.04 installs
[15:40] <arand> Hello, is anyone up for some bug-confirming: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/418135 it's interesting ;)
[15:41] <eagles0513875> genii: could you test out installing this fonts package and confirming https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/420415
[15:41] <arand> um, that's wrong... nvm
[15:42] <genii> eagles0513875: I'm currently in the middle of a big update
[15:43] <eagles0513875> ok genii seems like for me this one package which is part of kubuntu-restricted-extras is my issue
[15:43] <eagles0513875> not sure if the rest is installed
[15:45] <arand> Bug #418135
[15:46] <arand> ^ Thats the one, anyone up for some confirmin' ?
[15:54] <genii> Man. This lat upgrade sure wants a lot of CLI input :/
[15:56] <mistya> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=61453 why?
[15:58] <buch> mistya i have the same bug with latest updates - but i havnt got time to check it out :(
[16:01] <mistya> buch, good.. if not an error on my computer.. someone fix it xD
[16:05] <genii> BTW sudo apt-get install --reinstall lsb-release cleared up that annoying "WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/lsb_release.py is linked but does not belong to any package."  for me
[16:36] <BluesKaj> howdy
[16:37] <ikonia> howdy
[16:37] <xcdfgkjhgcv> ikonia: Hi.
[16:38] <BluesKaj> any update probs this morning ?
[16:38] <ikonia> BluesKaj: which ones ?
[16:39] <BluesKaj> :)
[16:39] <hggdh> or is this a preemptive type of question?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> a simple question, it is what it asks , nothing implied about it
[16:42] <hggdh> then the answer is -- seems no update issues so far
[16:42] <alex_mayorga> anyone having to un-plug, re-plug a Huawei E220 to have it appear on nm-applet? Known issue?
[16:46] <douglasawh-work> this isn't exactly an ubuntu+1 question, but not exactly ubuntu-offtopic either.  I have some questions about gconf...specifically I'm using Fedora (at work anyway) but I think the same would hold true for Ubuntu. Anyway, should I take the questions elsewhere?
[16:50] <mistya> hallo
[16:50] <mistya> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=61453 why? ?
[16:50] <ikonia> mistya: well for a starter you may get a better response without the need for "WTF" in the middle of your screen
[16:51] <ikonia> mistya: secondly, are you complaining about the position of the alert ?
[16:51] <mistya> ikonia, yep
[16:52] <ikonia> mistya: never seen that positioning before
[16:52] <alex_mayorga> FWIW, I'm also seeing what mistya sees
[16:52] <ikonia> alex_mayorga: ooh really
[16:53] <ikonia> looks like it could be a little more than an isolated incident
[16:53] <alex_mayorga> yep, doesn't bother me that much, but I recall on Jaunty those notifications started just below the top panel
[16:53] <natewiebe13> its a "feature" according to the ayatana team
[16:53] <ikonia> natewiebe13: really ?
[16:53] <natewiebe13> they just changed it
[16:53] <natewiebe13> yup
[16:53] <alex_mayorga> link?
[16:53] <ikonia> until just now I've not seen anyone mention it
[16:53] <natewiebe13> macslow.net
[16:53] <natewiebe13> also the notify-osd wiki page
[16:54] <natewiebe13> from what i know, they are not planning to change it back
[16:54] <natewiebe13> we talked about the location yesterday for a long time
[16:54] <alex_mayorga> I see, how about some config option
[16:54] <mac_v> natewiebe13: ^ you are wrong
[16:54] <natewiebe13> really?
[16:54] <natewiebe13> mac_v: what am i wrong about?
[16:54] <alex_mayorga> being that the case I'd like those to start at the bottom, "ala win32 toasters"
[16:55] <mac_v> natewiebe13: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00557.html
[16:55] <mac_v> alex_mayorga: ^
[16:55] <natewiebe13> so they are changing it back?
[16:55] <mac_v> they are just waiting for UI freeze
[16:56] <natewiebe13> im relieved
[16:56] <natewiebe13> i hate the position
[16:56] <alex_mayorga> mac_v: thanks, so what would be the "final" position?
[16:56] <alex_mayorga> making it user selectable would be a plus IMHO
[16:56] <natewiebe13> alex_mayorga: but as of right now, its not a bug, it was made to be in the middle
[16:57] <mac_v> alex_mayorga: "final"  , in the sense no user selection will be possible , not in the near future
[16:57] <natewiebe13> mac_v: so are they changing it back to where it was?
[16:58] <mac_v> natewiebe13: most probably , that was mark's response , you can follow the thread. everyone is against it
[16:59] <natewiebe13> mac_v: awesome.. i really liked where it was and im glad they are changing it back.. thanks for the information [such a relief]
[16:59] <alex_mayorga> are the hal changes related to me having to unplug, replug my HSDPA USB modem?
[16:59] <natewiebe13> mac_v: i wasnt sure where it was going.. there isnt much response from the #ayatana channel
[17:00] <mac_v> natewiebe13: yeah , this question was asked so many times there , now peopl have gotten tired ;p
[17:00] <mac_v> i just responded here , since you were conveying wrong info :)
[17:01] <alex_mayorga> so they're much probably going back to the top, right?
[17:01] <mac_v> yup
[17:01] <natewiebe13> i figured that.. and i was giving the info that i knew at the time.. on the bug report, mirco sounded like it wasnt going to change back to how it was
[17:02] <mac_v> natewiebe13: mirco never said that ;p , you misunderstood
[17:02] <natewiebe13> he didnt say that, but thats how it sounded
[17:02] <natewiebe13> and i did say "as far as i know" before i said that, so i didnt say that it was set in stone
[17:03] <natewiebe13> but it doesnt matter
[17:03] <natewiebe13> :P
[17:04] <mac_v> natewiebe13: people usually never remember "as far as i know" ;) BTW the bug report > Bug #419894
[17:05] <natewiebe13> he did say "its a feature"
[17:06] <natewiebe13> but i do like notify-osd, wayyy better than the notifications in intrepid, so im not going to complain
[17:06] <MindVirus1> Hello. How do I get direct rendering on my Intel 945GME?
[17:06] <alteregoa> i got a error in module bursaoo.ccc
[17:07] <MindVirus1> direct rendering: Yes
[17:07] <MindVirus1> Hmm.
[17:08] <MindVirus1> That's not what it says, sorry. direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set) is what it says.
[17:12] <dvz-> hey...i have terminator fullscreen on one workspace - when i change workspaces and progs - then come back to terminator workspace, i have to click it to bring it front...is there a way to disable this feature and keep it on top when i switch to the workspace?
[17:19] <natewiebe13> mac_v: you said they are waiting until ui freeze? (sept 10)
[17:19] <mac_v> natewiebe13: huh?
[17:19] <MindVirus1> Anyone have any suggestions?
[17:19] <natewiebe13> for changing the notification locations
[17:20] <mac_v> natewiebe13: if you follow the thread it is mentioned in there
[17:20] <natewiebe13> okay.. thanks
[17:22] <MindVirus1> ...?
[17:23] <mac_v> MindVirus1: you could also ask in #ubuntu-x
[17:31] <alteregoa> meowagi from karate kid said: oni shiwa harairi masai
[17:32] <alex_mayorga> why can't I enable my MSN account on empathy?
[17:35] <MindVirus1> mac_v: I asked. Thanks.
[17:36] <mac_v> MindVirus1: np :)
[17:37] <MindVirus1> Anyways, if anyone around here has advice for me, I'm all ears.
[17:39] <bjsnider> is direct rendering available on intel systems?
[17:39] <MindVirus1> How do I disable UXA? It crashes my desktop every half an hour.
[17:40] <MindVirus1> I get random jitters as well.
[17:40] <genii> !intel
[17:40] <genii> It's in one of those links someplace about the UXA stuff
[17:41] <MindVirus1> genii: thank you. Are you Russian?
[17:41] <genii> MindVirus1: No, Canadian
[17:42] <MindVirus1> Ahh. "genii" in Russian is "genius".
[17:43] <genii> MindVirus1: When i chose this name years ago, it was for the obscure meaning of "the essence or spirit of a place", also it can also be made to mean the plural of genius in english also
[17:44] <MindVirus1> I see.
[17:53] <MindVirus1> genii: hmm, I don't know what to follow. I already have the ubuntu-x-swat repos.
[17:59] <MindVirus1> Apparently my shit's DRI2 capable and UXA works fine.
[17:59] <gbs-wes> does anyone else have the notifications displaying in the center of the screen vertically suddenly?
[17:59] <jussi01> MindVirus1: watch the language please
[17:59] <MindVirus1> Pardon.
[18:00] <MindVirus1> So, DRI2 and UXA work, but UXA freezes my desktop every 30 minutes. Any suggestions?
[18:00] <penguin42> MindVirus1: Report the bug, try turning UXA off and see if it fixes it - then you know it is the UXA?
[18:01] <MindVirus1> penguin42: I can't turn UXA off -- AFAIK, EXA was disabled.
[18:01] <penguin42> oh
[18:03] <mac_v> gbs-wes:  > Bug #419894
[18:03] <Michalxo> gbs-wes, haha
[18:03] <Michalxo> another angry user :) welcome
[18:04] <penguin42> hmm I've just noticed that's happening to me
[18:05] <MindVirus1> Me too. But it doesn't bother me as much as my abysmal graphics performance.
[18:06] <gbs-wes> Michal, whats funny?
[18:06] <Michalxo> well.. I have my own deb package for amd64 which fixes that middle screen notifications...
[18:06] <gbs-wes> and that's funny?
[18:06] <mac_v> lol^
[18:07] <Michalxo> gbs-wes, yes, I was angry whole yesterday on that :)
[18:07] <gbs-wes> ah ok
[18:07] <gbs-wes> i was wondering if it was a feature, myself
[18:07] <gbs-wes> can't decide if i hate it or not
[18:07] <Michalxo> aha :)
[18:08] <Michalxo> if you want that deb, just ask, :) or make yourself one :) a friend of me helped me to do that (I am newbie :)) )
[18:08] <gbs-wes> i don't run 64bit
[18:08] <gbs-wes> ill just wait, must be an easy fix
[18:08] <Michalxo> gbs-wes, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/419894/comments/12
[18:09] <gbs-wes> ah, so it is a feature?
[18:09] <Michalxo> yes :D
[18:10] <Michalxo> read ayatana discussion.. even mark post there :)
[18:10]  * penguin42 is getting a bit pissed off with GUI features that are really poor
[18:10] <Michalxo> or rules there? :)
[18:12] <arvind_khadri> whats the use of the indicator-applet?
[18:13] <Michalxo> https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00525.html ?
[18:13]  * penguin42 wonders why there is a little x next to my username on the panel
[18:13] <Michalxo> arvind_khadri, I found it useless, so I always remove it.. all indicators...
[18:14] <arvind_khadri> Michalxo, how do i remove it?
[18:14] <Michalxo> right click on it ;)
[18:14] <arvind_khadri> Michalxo, only gives me an About option :)
[18:14] <penguin42> Michalxo: It also seems cofusing - I mean a closed envelope looks like a mail notification
[18:14] <Michalxo> :-O
[18:14] <penguin42> n
[18:14] <arvind_khadri> Michalxo, got it
[18:15] <Michalxo> penguin42, it has to be some kind of "shortcut" to things like IM afaik
[18:16] <adelie42> anyone here that might be able to help me with an Ubuntu on coLinux issue?
[18:16] <penguin42> Michalxo: I can't see how - IM already gives me notify messages (you just gave me one!) and the drop down on indicator-applet-sus (?) seems to do that
[18:16] <arvind_khadri> penguin42, Michalxo i guess its supposed to be associated with IM... but its not completely operational yet
[18:16]  * penguin42 wonders what the difference is between indicator-applet-sus and indicator-applet is
[18:16] <Michalxo> no idea too
[18:16] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: i have it in jaunty and i get notifications from pidgin that way
[18:17] <Michalxo> maybe it cummulates all IMs to it :)
[18:17] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, i too get it on jaunty, but i guess that notifier came with pidgin itself, and it works well... the one in karmic doesnt work
[18:17] <natewiebe13> it doesn in jaunty
[18:17] <Michalxo> pidgin/gajim/xchat(??)/kopete into 1 :D
[18:18] <natewiebe13> i think you are correct Michalxo
[18:18] <natewiebe13> penuguin: but the x beside your name is your status for whatever IM you are using
[18:18] <arvind_khadri> in karmic its empathy, they removed pidgin :(
[18:18] <Michalxo> but who uses more then 2 IM programs?
[18:18] <natewiebe13> after an update i did today i can no longer change my status that way
[18:19] <Michalxo> arvind_khadri, yeah, but nothing hard to install it back :)
[18:19] <natewiebe13> i still use pidgin.. i dont like empathy
[18:19] <cdE|Woozy> my window decorations (using compiz) seem to go away after I resume, does that happen to anybody else?
[18:19] <arvind_khadri> Michalxo, yup, i use their PPA :)
[18:19] <natewiebe13> same [thumbs up]
[18:19] <DanaG> I don't like Empathy, either.
[18:19] <Michalxo> like all say, emapthy is pre-mature... too young to be mainstream :(
[18:19] <natewiebe13> anyone know why they switched?
[18:20] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, default gnome project?
[18:20] <arvind_khadri> afaik , they brought in empathy as its supporting voice and video... but the new pidgin is also doing that...
[18:20] <natewiebe13> imo, if they were to make any switch, it would be to replace rhythmbox with banshee
[18:20] <Michalxo> yes, so it's still not 100% that empathy will go in final :)
[18:20] <MindVirus1> Do they listen to us?
[18:21] <natewiebe13> MindVirus1: not usually
[18:21] <arvind_khadri> Michalxo, nope its final :), feature freeze over
[18:21] <Michalxo> oh :(
[18:21] <MindVirus1> That's silly.
[18:21] <Michalxo> but still maybe..
[18:21] <natewiebe13> i vote pidgin
[18:21] <MindVirus1> I as well.
[18:21] <mac_v> penguin42: the "x" you mean image missing?
[18:21] <natewiebe13> mac_v: no, offline statue
[18:21] <natewiebe13> *status
[18:21] <penguin42> mac_v: Well I'm not sure - next to my 'dg' name is a little red 'x' button
[18:22] <natewiebe13> i have a grey circle with an x in the middle
[18:22] <mac_v> that is a know bug , its the icon of image missing , its fixed upstream
[18:22] <mac_v> known*
[18:22] <penguin42> ah right; what's it supposed to be?
[18:23] <mac_v> penguin42: its supposed to have an icon , i'm just not sure which
[18:23] <penguin42> is it what was the little green ball?
[18:23] <natewiebe13> penguin42: i have a grey circle with an x in the middle, but its the offline status icon
[18:23] <MindVirus1> Does anyone here have any experience with Intel graphics?
[18:23] <penguin42> natewiebe13: But I'm on line!
[18:24] <mac_v> penguin42: its not yet implemented , i think the coded the wrong icon label
[18:24] <penguin42> mac_v: Ah OK
[18:24] <mac_v> so it keeps showing image missing
[18:25] <MindVirus1> Nobody, eh?
[18:26] <penguin42> MindVirus1: Well I use them
[18:26] <MindVirus1> penguin42: do you have UXA?
[18:27] <penguin42> MindVirus1: Yes - (II) UXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
[18:27] <MindVirus1> And your performance is normal?
[18:27] <penguin42> MindVirus1: Somewhere between normal and better than Jaunty I'd say
[18:27] <penguin42> MindVirus1: I'm on a 945GM
[18:28] <MindVirus1> GM? Not GME?
[18:28] <penguin42> hmm
[18:28] <MindVirus1> My last question after I find out what card you have is the output of `glxinfo | grep render`. I don't mean to bother you.
[18:28] <penguin42> MindVirus1: It seems to say 945GM - (--) intel(0): Chipset: "945GM"
[18:29] <MindVirus1> Hmm.
[18:29] <penguin42> (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) 945GM
[18:29] <penguin42> I don't run compiz; what monitor arrangment do you have?
[18:29] <MindVirus1> I have a different chipset than you -- I'm on GME.
[18:29] <MindVirus1> I have a single monitor on my netbook.
[18:30] <penguin42> nod; I have an internal LCD and a big external monitor on my laptop
[18:30] <MindVirus1> Man, I wish I knew that GME could possibly work.
[18:30] <penguin42> has it always been so grim or is this a karmicism?
[18:31] <MindVirus1> Karmicism.
[18:31] <MindVirus1> It worked great with EXA.
[18:32] <penguin42> MindVirus1: It's worth seeing if you can find any comments on here - http://intellinuxgraphics.org/  - oh, :xf86-video-intel 2.8.0 released, with XAA and EXA removed, VLD/Mpeg2 support added, and various fixes for UXA/DRI2 and kernel modesetting, together with Intel 2009Q2 graphics package released.
[18:33] <penguin42> that's why your EXA doesn't work
[18:33] <MindVirus1> I know.
[18:33] <MindVirus1> EXA was rermoved. ;(
[18:33] <MindVirus1> *:(
[18:33] <penguin42> MindVirus1: Certainly worth bug reporting I guess - I think for me UXA is better off
[18:35]  * penguin42 was hoping dtchen might be around - I noticed a kernel fix to fix a kernel bug with intel video and wondered if it could be helping sound
[18:35] <arvind_khadri> penguin42, i guess you can talk about it in #ubuntu-kernel
[18:36] <penguin42> yeh, it's just a particular audio bug that's been plaguing me for a while
[18:37] <genii> Is 2.6.31 using CFS scheduler by default?
[18:42] <penguin42> back in a sec
[18:42] <penguin42> right, that's better - you're in the right window now
[18:46]  * penguin42 submits a pidgin enhancment, then finds out it can already do it - oops; closes it....
[18:56] <slayton> what is the code name for 10.04?
[18:57] <natewiebe13> i dont think its decided yet
[18:58] <Michalxo> Lucky Llame? :)
[18:58] <Michalxo> or llame llame :)
[19:00] <natewiebe13> here are a list of ideas on the wiki
[19:00] <natewiebe13> http://paste.ubuntu.com/261050/
[19:01] <natewiebe13> source: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[19:01] <natewiebe13> slayton: ^
[19:01] <slayton> natewiebe13, thanks! I was actually just reading that
[19:01] <natewiebe13> oaky
[19:01] <natewiebe13> *okay
[19:03] <Michalxo> Suggestion for Ubuntu 9.10: Kinetic Kiwi. :D
[19:07] <ripps> I've been lucky, I've never had too many problems with pulseaudio since it became default in Hardy. It's always worked alright for me. But now, in Karmic, it's a peice of crap. Volume control makes no sense, and I can even change it manually in alsamixer because pulse defaults everything to mute if it's touched. Also, now programs that play audio will crash if I try to change volume. What the heck is up?
[19:08] <Michalxo> i'd please guys in #pulseaudio with this :)
[19:08] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: its kind of interesting how we always refer to a version by the adjective not the noun.. (gutsy, hardy, intrepid, jaunty, karmic)
[19:09] <natewiebe13> its almost as if its not important what animal it is, but what the animal is like
[19:09] <Michalxo> yeah :) but it;s probably in human nature to call things by it's first names :)
[19:09] <natewiebe13> (doesnt matter what version it is, but whats its like)
[19:09] <natewiebe13> true
[19:09] <Michalxo> yeah
[19:09] <Michalxo> I'll start to call it koala :)
[19:09] <natewiebe13> start a trend.. i like it
[19:10] <penguin42> loyal lion?
[19:10] <DanaG> Leaping.  I like that adjective.
[19:10] <Michalxo> very royal penguin42 :)
[19:10] <natewiebe13> too bad leopard was taken by apple :( ive always liked the word leopard
[19:10] <Michalxo> yeah jaguar was taken too :(
[19:11] <natewiebe13> promiscuous penguin
[19:11] <natewiebe13> :P
[19:11] <ripps> I say leave the cats to apple
[19:11] <DanaG> Eh, we want positive connotations, not negative ones.
[19:11] <ripps> I personally like leaping lemur
[19:11]  * penguin42 looks at natewiebe13
[19:11] <natewiebe13> DanaG: just joking
[19:12] <natewiebe13> penguin42: didnt even think about that..
[19:12] <phoenixz> Just a small hint for ubuntu developers: Please automatically disable any auto suspend or auto hibernate options while upgrading..  I was doing the upgrade, went downstairs to eat and when I got back, it was hung up trying to hibernate RIGHT in the middle of package install...
[19:13] <ripps> phoenixz: file a bug report
[19:13] <phoenixz> ripps: where?
[19:13] <natewiebe13> lp?
[19:13] <natewiebe13> phoenixz: i would put it in launchpad
[19:14] <Michalxo> phoenixz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[19:15] <ripps> I wouldn't come here with hopes of a developer reading a word you say. Only come here if you need help from the community (or just vent angrily about how a broken app sucks)
[19:15] <Michalxo> like PA? :)
[19:16] <natewiebe13> or notify osd >:(
[19:16] <natewiebe13> [mad face]
[19:16] <MindVirus1> ripps: sounds like a plan.
[19:16] <Michalxo> well.. I have it repaired natewiebe13 :)
[19:16] <MindVirus1> Does anyone have any experience troubleshooting Intel GFX?
[19:16] <natewiebe13> really?
[19:16] <Michalxo> I compilled my own deb file, and everytime an upgrade comes I upgrade everything and install my own deb using all placement :)
[19:17] <natewiebe13> hmm
[19:17] <Michalxo> got 64bit deb :)
[19:17] <natewiebe13> nope.. 32bit
[19:17] <Michalxo> btw I posted manual to it to that bug page... so you can make your own too :)
[19:17] <Michalxo> a friend of mine showed me how to make it, so I am pretty happy now...
[19:17] <natewiebe13> from what i know they are changing it on sept 10th
[19:18] <Michalxo> changing to what?
[19:18] <natewiebe13> (dont shoot me mac_v)
[19:18] <natewiebe13> back to how it was
[19:18] <Michalxo> btw... they don't want to make UI to it :(
[19:18] <natewiebe13> yup.. i heard
[19:19] <natewiebe13> but from what i know, they are putting it back in the top right on the UI freeze
[19:19] <Michalxo> yeah, I think that mark wrote it on ayatana :)
[19:19] <natewiebe13> mark didnt seem to like the notifications in the middle
[19:19] <Michalxo> pretty nice thing :)
[19:19] <natewiebe13> yeah
[19:19] <DanaG> https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00572.html
[19:19] <natewiebe13> read it
[19:20] <DanaG> oh yeah, my gripe with notify-osd is the horrible lag.
[19:20] <DanaG> I can skip like 20 tracks in my media player, in the time it takes to display ONE track-change notification.
[19:20] <natewiebe13> DanaG: i dont like how the volume control flashes when its maxed out
[19:20] <Michalxo> I even emailed mark cause I was unable to post to ayatana :D
[19:20] <DanaG> And hammers the cpu!
[19:20] <DanaG> And llaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaags.
[19:21] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, I have ntohing like that here
[19:21] <DanaG> oh, and having volume change WAIT on the notification..... horrible.
[19:21] <natewiebe13> DanaG: i dont have the lag or cpu problems..
[19:21] <DanaG> Try holding volume-up for a while
[19:22] <natewiebe13> Michalxo, i havent tried it on karmic, but i know on jaunty, if the volume was maxed and you use the volume control to go louder, it glows white (flashes almost) and lags really really bad
[19:22] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, KOALA
[19:22] <Michalxo> JACKALOPE
[19:22] <natewiebe13> sorry.. [forgot]
[19:22] <Michalxo> did not happened to me :)
[19:23] <DanaG> I should make a video of it on my system.
[19:23] <natewiebe13> maybe its fixed in Koala
[19:23] <DanaG> The volume change itself is not smooth... it jumps and skips.
[19:23] <ali1234> if i press "next track" banshee pegs the CPU for about 3 seconds - if i lean on it for 5 seconds it can freeze the machine for half an hour
[19:23] <natewiebe13> DanaG: what graphics card are you using?
[19:23] <arand> ANyone fancy some confirmation/refution: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/418135 (It's a quickie)
[19:23] <Michalxo> I think I remember.. but for me it was always fixed natewiebe13
[19:23] <Michalxo> basnhee is bigger crap then rhytmbox :)
[19:24] <Michalxo> that's why I use rhbox :D
[19:24] <natewiebe13> *cough* banshee is better *cough*
[19:24] <ali1234> you don't need to tell me that. i only use banshee to demonstrate how bad it is
[19:24] <natewiebe13> i use nvidia 8800gt, and 285 glx and i have no issues with changing tracks and volume control (except the maxing out issue)
[19:24] <DanaG> Still lags horribly for me.
[19:24] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, really I used banshee too.. but I sticked to rhytmbox.. although I hated it frist.. :)
[19:25] <Michalxo> I have about 7500 songs in it and RHBox works great, while banshee lags as ....
[19:25] <arand> gmusicbrowser ftw.
[19:25] <arand> :D
[19:25] <Michalxo> :-O
[19:26] <natewiebe13> i switched to banshee because no spaces between tracks and better device support.. and i have 60ish GB of music
[19:26] <ali1234> my main problem at the moment is ath5k is still silently corrupting packets - and has been for six months now
[19:26] <natewiebe13> and no lagging for me. Q9550 and 285 GTX
[19:27] <MindVirus1> natewiebe13: I'd be surprised if anything lagged for you.
[19:27] <natewiebe13> volume control glitch when maxed
[19:28] <DanaG> My CPU is a Core 2 Duo P8600.
[19:28] <DanaG> 2.4GHz.
[19:29] <DanaG> oh yeah, handy thing: I have my hdd-protection LED set to be a heartbeat timer.
[19:29] <DanaG> So, I can see that resuming from suspend takes like 15 seconds of high load.
[19:29] <DanaG> It "beats" faster when load is higher.
[19:29] <shadeslayer> does usb-creator-kde work?
[19:31] <DanaG> argh, exaile doesn't seem to have a command-line way to "toggle" the main window.
[19:31] <DanaG> oh, that's the default.
[19:31] <DanaG> =þ
[19:32] <BUGabundo> hey
[19:32] <BUGabundo> so kernel 28 is good to boot?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo: works here
[19:34] <BUGabundo> great
[19:34] <BUGabundo> upgradind
[19:34] <Michalxo> 31-8 here :D
[19:36] <shadeslayer> Michalxo: i think he meant 2.6.31-8-generic #28-Ubuntu  << see #28 ?
[19:36] <arand> BUGabundo: Hia, all good?
[19:36] <Michalxo> ah
[19:36] <BUGabundo> not really
[19:36] <BUGabundo> bad ROM on my android after upgrade arand :(
[19:36] <Michalxo> what does that #28 stands for anyway?
[19:37] <arand> BUGabundo: ack :(
[19:38] <BUGabundo> arand: does anyone else have OSD 3/5 of the screen??
[19:38] <BUGabundo> its not on TOP any more
[19:38] <BUGabundo> *really* annoying
[19:38] <dotblank> my osd is completly broken
[19:38] <arand> BUGabundo: yep, just noticed that...
[19:39] <mac_v> BUGabundo:   > Bug #419894
[19:39] <mac_v> ara^
[19:39] <mac_v> arand: ^
[19:40] <BUGabundo> is it just me or we are getting LOTS of big updates after FeatFreze?
[19:40] <BUGabundo> invalid??
[19:40] <BUGabundo> WTH
[19:40] <natewiebe13> its a "feature"
[19:40] <natewiebe13> to be distracting in the middle of the screen
[19:40] <BUGabundo> ohhh I'm killing someone
[19:40] <natewiebe13> :P
[19:40] <mac_v> BUGabundo:  https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00557.html
[19:40] <BUGabundo> natewiebe13: well put it UNDER the mouse cursor then
[19:41] <arand> oh...
[19:41] <BUGabundo> you are jokeing righ?
[19:41] <BUGabundo> is this true???
[19:41] <natewiebe13> nope
[19:41] <natewiebe13> dead serious
[19:41] <Michalxo> haha
[19:41] <mac_v> BUGabundo: read the mail
[19:41] <Michalxo> I am starting to laugh at it :)
[19:41] <mac_v> BUGabundo: its actually just an "experiment" , will be reverted before the 2nd UI drop
[19:42] <natewiebe13> i do like how notify-osd blurs now
[19:42] <BUGabundo> natewiebe13: NOT in the middle of the screen
[19:42] <natewiebe13> that part makes me mad
[19:42] <SKB> blur doesn't work without compiz :\
[19:43] <Michalxo> there is some blur? :D
[19:43] <natewiebe13> yeah
[19:43] <natewiebe13> its really nice
[19:43] <Michalxo> hm
[19:43] <Michalxo> so I should start compiz then :)
[19:43] <natewiebe13> started that 1 month ago i think
[19:43] <DanaG> I think the #28 means it's the 28th time that source tree has been compiled?
[19:43] <mac_v> BUGabundo: this was actually proposed 4 months ago ;) and hadent been implemented because mirco got tied up
[19:43] <Michalxo> btw fedora 12 has som great artwork ;
[19:43] <SKB> i prefer giving 70MB or RAM to apache or something else
[19:43] <BUGabundo> mac_v: I hope you slapped marc in our name ?!?
[19:44] <natewiebe13> compiz: 35.5 MB of ram
[19:44] <mac_v> BUGabundo: yeah sure back then i was the only one how opposed it , now that its in everyones face all are up inarms
[19:44] <Michalxo> ah thaat blurry effect.. I don't need it
[19:44] <natewiebe13> i use compiz for the cube..
[19:45] <natewiebe13> its nice to drag windows to other workspaces
[19:45] <mac_v> BUGabundo: 4months back > https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00106.html
[19:45] <SKB> my transparent panels had a shadow last time i used compiz
[19:45] <arand> I remeber reading about it actually, I'm really not sure what to think...
[19:46] <alteregoa> ubuntu gets a new splash screen
[19:46] <BUGabundo> natewiebe13: $ sudo atop 2 , then type 'm'
[19:46] <arvind_khadri> compiz is really useless, its obsolete, other than attracting migrating users...it causes more trouble than good
[19:46] <BUGabundo> mac_v: the only question is WHEN WILL THIS BE REVERTED?
[19:46] <alteregoa> gnome is obsolete, i hope someone port nautilus with kde
[19:46]  * BUGabundo take the piece of chocolate cookie from caps
[19:47] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: sept 10th?
[19:47] <DanaG> I happen to use many features of Compiz.
[19:47] <arvind_khadri> alteregoa, :P KDE sucks!!!
[19:47] <DanaG> Lamp on minimize, sidekick on close, "dream" on open, and menus do the "vacuum" thing.
[19:47] <mac_v> BUGabundo: most probably before 2nd UI drop > https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00559.html
[19:47] <alteregoa> kde is very user friendly
[19:48] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: xorg, then compiz
[19:48] <natewiebe13> alteregoa: too plasticy and synthetic
[19:48] <arvind_khadri> kde is highly bloated....
[19:48] <BUGabundo> natewiebe13: I'll get an air plane ticket and drive it into canonical before that :)
[19:49] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: :P Michalxo has a fix
[19:49] <DanaG> I have my effects set at "snazzy but not too over-the-top".
[19:49] <mac_v> yeah , who's up for sponsoring BUGabundo 's trip
[19:49]  * genii hands over his pocket lint
[19:50]  * mac_v too ;p
[19:50] <ali1234> did somebody mention kde? http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/kdefail.png
[19:50] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: if you can get to london, ontario.. i'll donate a car
[19:50] <alteregoa> a mapple gagintosh
[19:50] <mphill> alteregoa: did you use gnome before kde?
[19:50] <BUGabundo> natewiebe13: I don't care who has it, I just want it on my system NOW
[19:50] <DanaG> ugh, exaile sucks at keyboard control.
[19:51] <mac_v> BUGabundo: do you know that canonical has the craziest security , similar to stuff you see in sci-fi movies o.0
[19:51] <BUGabundo> next one saying bad things about KDE, gets kicked .... in the ass
[19:51] <BUGabundo> I know all core devs, so bare with them, ok ?
[19:51] <Michalxo> BUGabundo, if you're still speaking about notifications... just cahnge in src/bubble.c PLACEMENT_NEW to PLACEMENT_OLD and compile ;)
[19:51] <BUGabundo> natewiebe13: is it so dirty it needs to drive the Atlantic to get clean???
[19:51]  * arvind_khadri zips his mouth and sulks in the corner
[19:51] <mac_v> they have hand scanners that only allow certain people to enter
[19:52] <BUGabundo> Michalxo: I don't do code!!! not even to save me
[19:52] <BUGabundo> I'll just kill OSD for now
[19:52] <mac_v> BUGabundo: use mumbles
[19:52] <BUGabundo> $ watch -n 1 pkill notify-osd
[19:52] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: i have a used car lot.. id give you a car :P
[19:52] <Michalxo> BUGabundo, are you on amd64? :)
[19:52] <BUGabundo> mac_v: I'll get A- Flu
[19:53] <BUGabundo> and stuck my hand on the scanner
[19:53] <BUGabundo> :))
[19:53] <BUGabundo> Michalxo: yep
[19:53] <Michalxo> so I can send you a cure :)
[19:53] <RagnarokAngel> BUGabundo: yeah, my OSD notifications are coming up part way down the screen
[19:53] <mac_v> hehe , seriously they have MI6 security stuff
[19:53] <BUGabundo> Michalxo: put a PPA up and you get a download record :)
[19:53] <RagnarokAngel> Michalxo: so, if I'm on 32bit I'm screwed w/ OSDs?
[19:53] <Michalxo> BUGabundo, I have no idea how  :)
[19:53] <BUGabundo> lolol
[19:54] <BUGabundo> ask on #ubuntu-motu
[19:54] <Michalxo> nah no need to :)
[19:54] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: if you can send it to me, i'll host it
[19:54] <DanaG> I tried mumbles... it doesn't do anything.
[19:54] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, uploading...
[19:54] <DanaG> At least, mumbles-send blah foo bar   ..... nothing at all happens.
[19:54] <Michalxo> but i need better host server :-/
[19:55] <Michalxo> mediafire sux
[19:55] <natewiebe13> i have a server i can host
[19:55] <mac_v> Michalxo: use filebin
[19:55] <natewiebe13> not a website hosting service
[19:55] <RagnarokAngel> drop.io was pretty nice if your files weren't too big....
[19:55] <RagnarokAngel> or Michalxo you could use filedropper.com if you only need them for about 24hrs....
[19:56] <SKB> umm i somehow deleted the package with desktop pixmaps, anyone know how that package is called?
[19:56] <natewiebe13> I'll host the files until they are up in repos if you want..
[19:56] <BUGabundo> dude use U1 or dropbox
[19:56] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, fine
[19:56] <BUGabundo> need an invite?
[19:57] <Michalxo> I don;t use any :D
[19:57] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, BUGabundo http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/75875/notify-osd_0.9.19-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb_168.54KB.html
[19:57] <mac_v> BUGabundo: can we share files using U1? if so how? i couldnt figure it out
[19:57] <Michalxo> it's czech.. but it's good
[19:57] <Michalxo> write numbers and "stahnout soubor" = download
[19:58] <alteregoa> i do the electric boogaloo
[19:58] <bucky> SKB, apt-cache search pixmaps |grep data  could be any of the first four or so
[19:58] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, but it's only 64bit...
[19:58] <BUGabundo> Michalxo: I'm sorry but I won't install anything not compiled on LP
[19:58] <BUGabundo> mac_v: sure. PM your email
[19:58] <bucky> SKB, sudo apt-get install --reinstall   those
[19:59] <Michalxo> LP?
[19:59] <SKB>  ty
[19:59] <BUGabundo> Michalxo: Launchpad
[19:59] <natewiebe13> http://www.wiebeswheels.com/notify-osd_0.9.19-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[19:59] <Michalxo> ah
[19:59] <Michalxo> it works fine so I see no probelm why you should not give it a try :-/
[19:59] <natewiebe13> it will be up until fixed in repos
[19:59] <BUGabundo> we got UM back???
[20:00] <BUGabundo> are this guys crazy??
[20:00] <aboSamoor> does anyone have a problem with notify-osd ? The bubbles appear in the mid of the screen !
[20:00] <BUGabundo> I mean, update-notifier, of course
[20:00] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: yep
[20:00] <mac_v> BUGabundo: no , no UN
[20:00] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/419894
[20:00] <Michalxo> aboSamoor, cure on http://www.wiebeswheels.com/notify-osd_0.9.19-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb for 64bit systems :)
[20:01] <DanaG> nice... the server is serving it up as a text file.
[20:01] <natewiebe13> just do a saveas
[20:01] <aboSamoor> Michalxo, did not get it, I am using 32bit packages :)
[20:01] <alteregoa> i am using the new kernel
[20:01] <natewiebe13> DanaG: save the webpage, and it saves the .deb
[20:01] <DanaG> yeah, I did that.
[20:02] <alteregoa> fascinating
[20:02] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, compile 32bit too :)
[20:02] <Michalxo> instructions are in bug, comment #12 I think
[20:02] <natewiebe13> i dont compile things :P
[20:03] <Michalxo> ah, me neither.. bu it works :)
[20:03] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, do you know if is it reported ?
[20:03] <natewiebe13> if someone compiles.. i'll host it
[20:03] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, sorry I did not notice the Bug reported :)
[20:04] <shadeslayer> anyone using usb-creator-kde ?
[20:04] <bucky> you don't have to apologize aboSamoor... BUGabundo has been in here complaining about it for the last hour
[20:05] <Michalxo> shadeslayer, usb-creator-gtk worked nice.. dunno what about kde
[20:05] <shadeslayer> Michalxo: apparently it does everything except create a startup disk
[20:05] <Michalxo> heh I am using gnome, so sorry :(
[20:06] <aboSamoor> bucky, I see :)
[20:06] <natewiebe13> is there a #kubuntu+1 channel?
[20:06] <bucky> lol
[20:06] <Michalxo> * #kubuntu+1 #ubuntu+1 :Forwarding to another channel
[20:06] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, lol... use /list :P
[20:07] <aboSamoor> is there any room for boot performance improvements ? The last 2 updates of the kernel made the booting slower than in -6 kernel
[20:07] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, why don't you want to compile it? if a noob like me managed it, then it should be no problem for everyone :)
[20:08] <natewiebe13> meh.. i dont like code
[20:08] <arvind_khadri> aboSamoor, #ubuntu-kernel maybe
[20:09] <arvind_khadri> Michalxo, compile what :)
[20:09] <BUGabundo> dinner. bbl
[20:09] <shadeslayer> natewiebe13: this is it
[20:09] <BluesKaj> natewiebe13, it's not code, it's just decompressing , do a ./configure in the path and make & make install
[20:09] <natewiebe13> shadeslayer: i was just wondering.. no offense
[20:10] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: you can compile, and i'll host it..
[20:11]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[20:11] <Michalxo> arvind_khadri, 32bit version of "fixed" notify-osd
[20:12] <Michalxo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/419894/comments/12
[20:12] <Michalxo> instructions there
[20:12] <shadeslayer> natewiebe13: i use KDE myself.... :P
[20:14] <SKB> am i the one who has nautilus bug which rearranges icons every start/refresh?
[20:14]  * shadeslayer watches his bkodama vanish into plasma
[20:14] <Michalxo> SKB, mybe ? :(
[20:15] <bucky> SKB, is there an arrange icons menu item when you right click on the background of nautilus?
[20:15] <SKB> yes
[20:15] <bucky> it doesn't save your config?
[20:15] <SKB> called clean up by name
[20:15] <SKB> hm
[20:15] <shadeslayer> where are the usb-creator-kde logs saved?
[20:15] <SKB> cfg should be in home :\
[20:16] <bucky> it doesn't save your changes when you use clean up?
[20:16] <SKB> no idea actually whether it does save or not
[20:16] <bucky> prolly does
[20:16] <Michalxo> shadeslayer, /join #kde ? :=/
[20:17] <natewiebe13> or #kubuntu ?
[20:17] <shadeslayer> Michalxo: its a kubuntu KK package....why would i ask in either of those 2 channels
[20:17] <SKB> hm
[20:18] <Michalxo> well... i dont know how kde stores.. but maybe in ~/.config? .local?
[20:18] <Michalxo> if it has such a folder
[20:18] <natewiebe13> how about /var/log/ ??
[20:19] <DanaG> "pidgin wants to install a font" -- whaaa?
[20:19] <natewiebe13> DanaG: what font?
[20:19] <DanaG> It says "N'Ko".
[20:19] <natewiebe13> WHAT!?!?
[20:19] <natewiebe13> never seen that one before
[20:20] <SKB> umm where are nautilus settings?
[20:21] <DanaG> It's a packagekit thing, it seems.
[20:21] <DanaG> I think N'Ko is the locale it wants to find a font for... not the font name.
[20:22] <Michalxo> SKB, gconf-editor I think apps -> nautilus :)
[20:22] <Michalxo> maybe there are more on which I have no idea
[20:24] <sdest> is there an issue with the keyboard shortcuts app?
[20:24] <natewiebe13> has anyone got one of those lg dvd burners with "bluebirds" in the firmware?
[20:27] <penguin42> sdest: Yep
[20:27] <penguin42> sdest: There's already a bug on it
[20:27] <sdest> okies just making sure
[20:27] <DanaG> Bluebird?
[20:28] <natewiebe13> well it has dvd burning software embedded in the firmware.. it shows that a disc labelled "bluebirds" is in the drive when it is empty.. lg has a fix for it, but it requires flashing the firmware.. i dont know if i trust wine to flash the firmware on the drive..
[20:28] <natewiebe13> my guess is wine would brick it?
[20:29] <DanaG> Wow, that is a really, really stupid design.
[20:29] <penguin42> natewiebe13: Yeuch that's awful
[20:29] <natewiebe13> horrible
[20:30] <natewiebe13> so there is an icon on the desktop showing a disc.. i had to disable nautilus putting media icons on the desktop :(
[20:31] <ali1234> that sounds interesting, i wonder if you could hack the software to flash whatever you wanted in the memory
[20:31] <DanaG> http://www.msfn.org/board/lg-gh22ns50-bluebirds-removal-tool-t135300.html
[20:31] <ali1234> like for example a cd that autoruns and installs CIH :)
[20:31] <penguin42> ali1234: Of course
[20:32] <penguin42> natewiebe13: So I think there is a standard IDE command for uploading firmware - I don't know if it uses it or there is any tools etc that use it
[20:32] <penguin42> ooh -hdparm --fwdownload
[20:32] <penguin42> natewiebe13: are you brave?
[20:32] <natewiebe13> i thought it was an exe flashing utility?
[20:33] <natewiebe13>  penguin42: i dont know if i want to risk bricking a new drive
[20:33] <ali1234> natewiebe13: return it, it's the only way they'll learn
[20:33] <penguin42> natewiebe13: If you aren't up for doing that then probably the best thing is to take it to a windows box and do it there
[20:34] <dan457> hmm, give a vm with windows direct access to the drive maybe?
[20:34]  * penguin42 guesses wine might work; in principal there are probably only one or two calls it has to do to let that magic happen
[20:34] <ali1234> wine probably has more chance of working than a VM which abstracts the hardware
[20:34] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh that's my guess
[20:34] <dan457> some vm's allow direct access though
[20:35] <natewiebe13> im going to stick it on a windows box then...
[20:35] <natewiebe13> :P
[20:35] <ali1234> i still recommend to take it back :)
[20:35] <penguin42> it seems reasonable given that it always claims to have a disc in the drive
[20:35] <penguin42> such a dumb, dumb, dumb design
[20:36] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:36] <DanaG> yeah, vote with your wallet.
[20:36] <shadeslayer> powerdevil is not working....
[20:37] <natewiebe13> its not mine.. i built a computer for a friend.. its really nice (coolermaster case, q9550, 260 gtx w/ 216 cores, and an lg drive with adware)
[20:38] <natewiebe13> thats why you dont outsource
[20:38] <DanaG> powerdevil?  makes me think of a vacuum cleaner.
[20:38] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:40] <natewiebe13> so i guess thats the first adware for linux :P
[20:41] <Michalxo> gn
[20:41] <SKB> The folder contents could not be displayed.
[20:41] <SKB> Sorry, could not display all the contents of "trash": Operation not supported
[20:41] <SKB> :|
[20:42] <alteregoa> i apologize
[20:42] <alteregoa> by the name of dog
[20:43] <natewiebe13> SKB: is nautilus running with sudo?
[20:43] <SKB> both say the same
[20:43] <SKB> sudo and regular
[20:43] <natewiebe13> strange.. sudo gives me that, but standard works fine
[20:43] <SKB> can i compile the nautilus on top of the existing .deb?
[20:43] <alteregoa> i run gnome commander with sudo
[21:01] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: just finished build-dep for notify-osd
[21:01] <natewiebe13> whats with : fakeroot debian/rules binary
[21:01] <natewiebe13> ??
[21:02] <BluesKaj> hmm, notify-osd is in the repos
[21:03] <natewiebe13> making a .deb
[21:04] <SKB> 0.9.18 is buggy, right?
[21:04] <natewiebe13> i changed the bubbles.c file and have done build-dep..
[21:04] <SKB> notif-osd
[21:04] <natewiebe13> wrong placement
[21:04] <natewiebe13> so how do i make a .deb from here?
[21:06] <BluesKaj> why
[21:07] <natewiebe13> fixing the placement of notify-osd
[21:07] <natewiebe13> michalxo already fixed it for 64bit.. i would have asked him, but hes not on
[21:07] <BluesKaj> seems ok to me
[21:08] <natewiebe13> okay..
[21:08] <BluesKaj> it's listed in the package manager so ..
[21:08] <natewiebe13> can anyone help with making a deb file?
[21:08] <BluesKaj> !deb
[21:08] <BluesKaj> hehe
[21:09] <penguin42> natewiebe13: debian/rules binary from the top level is normally the way I do it
[21:11] <natewiebe13> penguin42: never made a deb before..
[21:11] <natewiebe13> is what he wrote: fakeroot debian/rules binary
[21:11] <natewiebe13> what do i do with that?
[21:11] <mphill> debian packaging is not fun imho
[21:12] <mphill> you can use checkinstall if you don't want to spend 20 hours reading documenation, but people will lol at you
[21:12] <penguin42> natewiebe13: cd into the top level of your package and type it
[21:13] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, use checkinstall
[21:14] <natewiebe13> penguin42: got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/261120/
[21:14] <natewiebe13> wait
[21:15] <penguin42> natewiebe13: Looks like you edited something as root?
[21:16] <natewiebe13> yeah
[21:16] <natewiebe13> penguin42: how would i have edited it?
[21:17] <penguin42> in your favorite text editor?
[21:17] <natewiebe13> penguin42: i now get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/261125/
[21:18] <arvind_khadri> fakeroot must be run with sudo i guess
[21:18] <penguin42> arvind_khadri: I thought the whole point of fakeroot was that you didn't run it as root
[21:19] <mnemo> since last kernel update I got this horrible bug which means I get data loss on every reboot :( what happens is that when I shutdown the machine almost shutsdown completely but just before its about to power of it just stays there doing nothing (doesnt respond to ping, I can vt switch but I cant login to the text based terminals).. if I power off at that point I get a nasty fsck when I boot back up.. ?
[21:19] <arvind_khadri> penguin42, am not sure... ask in #ubuntu-motu , and if the person doesnt know packaging, its better to use checkinstall
[21:20] <arvind_khadri> mnemo, fixed in 2.6.31.8
[21:20] <mnemo> arvind_khadri: bug number?
[21:20] <arvind_khadri> mnemo, dont remember :(
[21:20] <arvind_khadri> mnemo, search it in LP
[21:21] <mnemo> hmm I just installed -8
[21:21] <mnemo> trying to power down again now
[21:21] <mnemo> aah you're right
[21:21] <mnemo> its fixed
[21:21] <mnemo> pew =)
[21:21] <mnemo> I was afraid I was going to get stuck with that bug in stable version
[21:21] <mnemo> that would have sucked :o
[21:22] <arvind_khadri> mnemo, that wouldnt have happened :)
[21:22] <arvind_khadri> penguin42, fakeroot doesnt need sudo..the cause of the error is something else
[21:23] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, see if debian/notify-osd exists
[21:23] <penguin42> arvind_khadri: Right, that's what I thought
[21:24] <Twigaathy> goddamn pile of arse pulse >_<
[21:24] <arvind_khadri> penguin42, i am learning packaging btw :) , do we need to run a make before doing fakeroot? if yes then did make run fine?
[21:24] <Twigaathy> If I hit pause in mplayer the video "sticks" and then goes really quickly again on unpause
[21:24] <Twigaathy> anyone else seeing this?
[21:25] <mnemo> natewiebe13: i think you accidently created some files as root instead of regular user.... for example, did you do "sudo apt-get source blah" ??
[21:25] <natewiebe13> yeah
[21:25] <penguin42> arvind_khadri: I've not needed to - personally I don't actually normally use fakeroot
[21:25] <mnemo> natewiebe13: no "sudo" for apt-get source, only for apt-get install
[21:25] <natewiebe13> okay
[21:26] <natewiebe13> how about dpkg-source?
[21:26] <maxb> Is notify-osd *supposed* to be putting notifications in the middle of the right-hand side of the screen these days?
[21:26] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, yes for which one?
[21:26] <natewiebe13> sudo dpkg-source -x notify-osd_0.9.19-0ubuntu1.dsc
[21:26] <natewiebe13> sudo or no?
[21:26] <penguin42> what I normally do is apt-get source package   then debian/rules binary   to get the package then the packages arrive in the directory above; then install with dpkg -i
[21:27] <penguin42> sudo only on the dpkg, and I think in principal you're supposed to do fakeroot on the debian/rules binary
[21:27] <mnemo> yeah I dont think sudo is needed for dpkg-source
[21:27] <mnemo> i've found that "debuild -uc -us -b" is more reliable than "fakeroot debian/rules binary"
[21:28] <natewiebe13> wwonderful
[21:28] <natewiebe13> its going
[21:28] <natewiebe13> getting rid of sudo was the trick
[21:29] <penguin42> mnemo: Ah that's probably better - not that I'll remember those options
[21:29] <BluesKaj> penguin42, what are the advantages of using dpkg only ?
[21:29] <penguin42> BluesKaj: for what? The installation? How else would you do it?
[21:30] <maxb> Avoid using "debian/rules binary" directly, at least use "dpkg-buildpackage", if not "debuild" (each command being a higher level of abstraction than the previous)
[21:31] <natewiebe13> can someone send a message with my name in it?
[21:31] <drs305> natewiebe13: Sent
[21:31] <natewiebe13> drs305: thanks
[21:31] <natewiebe13> notifications in the top right
[21:31] <natewiebe13> yeah!!
[21:33] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, you are talking about that indicator-applet?
[21:33] <natewiebe13> alright.. so for everyone who wants notifications in the top right and not in the middle, here they are:
[21:33] <natewiebe13> http://www.wiebeswheels.com/notify-osd_0.9.19-0ubuntu1_i386.deb for 32bit
[21:33] <natewiebe13> http://www.wiebeswheels.com/notify-osd_0.9.19-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb for 64bit
[21:33] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: notify-osd
[21:33] <bucky> yay natewiebe13
[21:34] <bucky> that should be a factoid
[21:34] <natewiebe13> i'll host them until they fix it in the repos
[21:34] <arvind_khadri> !info notify-osd
[21:35] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: look at http://www.macslow.net/ he has screenshots and video
[21:36] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, ok got it
[21:37] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, so from where did you get the source?
[21:37] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, from the repo?
[21:37] <natewiebe13> from apt-source
[21:37] <natewiebe13> yeah
[21:37] <natewiebe13> Michalxo compiled the 64bit version
[21:38] <natewiebe13> and I stuck up the links for those on the bug report.. [#419894)
[21:38] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: have you fixed notify-osd yet?
[21:39] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, where did you compile it ? /usr/src ??
[21:40] <natewiebe13> no idea
[21:40] <natewiebe13> lol..
[21:41] <natewiebe13> its the exact same as notify-osd from the repos, except in bubble.c i replaced POSITION_NEW with POSITION_OLD
[21:41] <natewiebe13> so they are back in the top right
[21:42] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, where can i find that file?
[21:42] <natewiebe13> bubble.c?
[21:43] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, yes
[21:43] <natewiebe13> in the source code
[21:43] <natewiebe13> under the src folder
[21:44] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, i cant find any such pattern
[21:45] <penguin42> just had something weird happen - the battery charge LED on my laptop came on - but it's plugged in
[21:46] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, ??
[21:47] <Technoviking> is there a quick fix for Karmic not detecting USB drives?
[21:47] <natewiebe13> 1 sec
[21:47] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: im gonna find out which line
[21:48] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: line 2254
[21:49] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, thats PLACEMENT :D thats why i couldnt find the pattern, thanks
[21:49] <natewiebe13> yup
[21:49] <natewiebe13> sorry.. i said position
[21:49] <natewiebe13> :P
[21:50] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, now what should i do ?
[21:50] <natewiebe13> compile it
[21:50] <DKcross> hello people
[21:50] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, as in run ./configure?
[21:50] <natewiebe13> ?
[21:50] <natewiebe13> no idea
[21:50] <natewiebe13> i would guess so
[21:50] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, how did you do it?
[21:50] <DKcross> i have question... how i can configure my touchpad in karmic koala
[21:50] <natewiebe13> its probably easier just to take my deb file
[21:51] <natewiebe13> i did fakeroot debian/rules
[21:51] <natewiebe13> * binary
[21:51] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, didnt run configure?
[21:51] <natewiebe13> nope
[21:51] <DKcross> karmic koala dont have xorg.conf
[21:51] <DKcross> :(
[21:51] <natewiebe13> i'll give you the page with instructions
[21:51] <penguin42> DKcross: you can put one in
[21:51] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, thanls
[21:52] <penguin42> DKcross: If you just put it there it'll get used
[21:52] <DKcross> penguin42, sorry i dont undestand
[21:52] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/419894 comment 12
[21:52] <simba_> DKcross, i configured my tuchpad in mouse setup
[21:52] <natewiebe13> no sudo in the first 2 commands
[21:52] <arvind_khadri> DKcross, since 8.10 xorg.conf has nothing in it, you will need to write whatever you want into it
[21:53] <penguin42> but for most configs in principal you shouldn't need it
[21:53] <DKcross> arvind_khadri,  then i need create my xorg.conf?
[21:54] <arvind_khadri> DKcross, yes, if you want to, or say if you use nvidia cards...nvidia-xconfig does that for you
[21:54] <DKcross> simba_, how i can configure my touchpad ?andy idea?
[21:54] <DKcross> intel arvind_khadri
[21:54] <arvind_khadri> DKcross, you can configure it under System->preferences...
[21:54] <arvind_khadri> DKcross, no idea about intel, google it up
[21:55] <DKcross> i have a netbook, acer aspire one
[21:55] <bjsnider> do not use nvidia-xconfig
[21:55] <simba_> DKcross, start -> system -> mouse -> touchpad
[21:55] <bjsnider> use jockey
[21:55] <DKcross> simba_, oh thanks
[21:56] <DKcross> simba_,  mouse preferences its the front end, you know the file configuration?
[21:57] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, do you know if is it compulsory to use dpkg-source?
[21:58] <simba_> DKcross, there is info on how to edit the files for synaptic touchpad at gentoo wiki
[21:58] <DKcross> thanks
[21:58] <DKcross> i will search at google
[22:01] <DKcross> arvind_khadri,  how i can reconfigure xorg, i'm trying with  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:02] <arvind_khadri> DKcross, thats right... you can use it...with sudo though
[22:02] <DKcross> but i like root
[22:02] <DKcross> sudo su
[22:02] <DKcross>  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:02] <arvind_khadri> DKcross, never do that
[22:02] <DKcross> :o
[22:02] <arvind_khadri> !root
[22:03] <arvind_khadri> !sudo | DKcross
[22:03] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: no idea
[22:03] <natewiebe13> i did
[22:03]  * penguin42 tends to use sudo -s   but to be honest I think sudo su   is probaly more portable
[22:03] <simba_> !su
[22:04] <DKcross> mm yes i know..
[22:04] <DKcross> but i am configure some files like root
[22:04] <arvind_khadri> penguin42, its not a good practice to use it that way...
[22:04] <Technoviking> Is there a quick fix for Karmic not mounting USB drives?
[22:04] <penguin42> Technoviking: Seems to mount it for me
[22:05] <arvind_khadri> DKcross, you can use sudo vim <file name>
[22:05] <penguin42> hmm, although maybe not automatically? I was doing it from the drivemount applet
[22:05] <simba_> DKcross, rather use sudo -i than sudo su if you absoltely want to rome arround as root
[22:05] <Technoviking> pegntfs drivw
[22:05] <Technoviking> penguin42: ntfs drive
[22:06] <DKcross> yes i know arvind_khadri  in this case i prefer  dont repite more sudo , sudo and sudo..
[22:06] <BUGabundo> ppl still use SU on ubuntu??
[22:06]  * BUGabundo picks up hammer and a few nails!
[22:07] <BUGabundo> where is that BIG board?
[22:07] <ripps> why use su when sudo -i works just fine
[22:07] <DKcross> its similar or not?
[22:08] <penguin42> I think the -i is a bit none portable, where I think sudo su works on pretty much everything with sudo
[22:09] <bucky> sudo -s  leaves you in your home dir
[22:10] <bucky> sudo -i   cd's to /root
[22:10] <bucky> i get so confused
[22:10] <bucky> type pwd
[22:11] <DKcross> with sudo su
[22:11] <DKcross> not move
[22:11] <DKcross> but with sudo -i move to root
[22:12] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, i am getting struck, free to help me?
[22:12] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: ummm.. http://www.wiebeswheels.com/notify-osd_0.9.19-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb or http://www.wiebeswheels.com/notify-osd_0.9.19-0ubuntu1_i386.deb ??
[22:13] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, i want to build it on my own :)
[22:13] <BUGabundo> ok this has gonne OT
[22:14] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: overtime? kinda like the tf2 glitch?
[22:15] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, http://paste.ubuntu.com/261151/
[22:16] <BUGabundo> anyone wants to file a bug on gwibber?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> I'm too lazy to do it now
[22:17] <DKcross> sorry dear friends
[22:17] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, what to do
[22:17] <DKcross> where i can configure the notify osd
[22:17] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: did you do "sudo dpkg-source" or "sudo apt-get source"
[22:17] <natewiebe13> DKcross: just want the .deb packages?
[22:18] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, no sudo...
[22:18] <natewiebe13> its easier
[22:18] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: then i have no idea
[22:18] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, what if i did sudo?
[22:18] <DKcross> natewiebe13,  deb package?
[22:18] <natewiebe13> i had a similar problem, but it was because i was using sudo
[22:18] <DKcross> but i have notify installe
[22:18] <natewiebe13> DKcross: you want notify-osd in the top right and not the middle?
[22:19] <DKcross> yes
[22:19] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, what if i did sudo??? what do i need to do then?
[22:19] <natewiebe13> 64bit or 32bit?
[22:19] <DKcross> 32
[22:19] <natewiebe13> then delete the folder and start again, but dont put sudo in the first 2
[22:19] <natewiebe13> http://www.wiebeswheels.com/notify-osd_0.9.19-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[22:19] <natewiebe13> save that, then install
[22:20] <DKcross> is normal that start at the  middle?
[22:21] <natewiebe13> DKcross: they changed it to the middle yes
[22:21] <natewiebe13> from what i know they are changing it back on the second UI Freeze
[22:21] <natewiebe13> which isnt until sept 10, so this is a temporary fix
[22:22] <DKcross> :o
[22:22] <natewiebe13> but if they update the package, i'll change the code again and post it on the bug page #419894
[22:22] <DKcross> thanks natewiebe13
[22:22] <natewiebe13> yup
[22:23] <DKcross> have any file to configure the position?
[22:23] <natewiebe13> its in the source
[22:23] <natewiebe13> you'd have to change the file and then recompile yourself.. i compiled it for you in the .deb
[22:23] <DKcross> yes i understand
[22:23] <DKcross> thanks!
[22:24] <natewiebe13> no probs
[22:24] <DKcross> natewiebe13,  you know how i can configure the xorg?
[22:25] <DKcross> because in /etc/X11 dont have file xorg.conf
[22:26] <natewiebe13> nope..
[22:26] <natewiebe13> never touched it after intrepid
[22:26] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: let me know how you turn out
[22:26] <DKcross> natewiebe13,  ok, but in jaunty i remember that i have xorg.conf
[22:28] <natewiebe13> DKcross: no idea
[22:28] <DKcross> natewiebe13,  no problem thanks
[22:28] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, got it :)
[22:28] <natewiebe13> nice
[22:28] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, pulseaudio crashed... did you revert back to alsa yet?
[22:29] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: pa is working fine for me
[22:29] <natewiebe13> DKcross: have you tried: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
[22:30] <DKcross> yes
[22:30] <natewiebe13> okay.. thats all i can think
[22:30] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, ping me
[22:31] <natewiebe13> ??
[22:31] <natewiebe13> ping
[22:31] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, with my name :)
[22:31] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: okay..
[22:31] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, nope... nothing ...
[22:31] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: nothing?
[22:31] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, do i have to remove the old version?
[22:31] <natewiebe13> no
[22:32] <natewiebe13> was the window in focus?
[22:32] <arvind_khadri> yes
[22:32] <natewiebe13> thats why
[22:32] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: make sure you have something else in focus
[22:32] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, ok do it now...
[22:32] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: test
[22:33] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, do i need to have that indicator-applet running?
[22:33] <natewiebe13> i dont know... i installed the package and it worked right off the bad
[22:33] <natewiebe13> *bat
[22:33] <natewiebe13> i have indicator-applet-session running
[22:34] <natewiebe13> try it on me
[22:34] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, test
[22:34] <natewiebe13> yeah worked here
[22:34] <natewiebe13> DKcross: have you tried it yet?
[22:34] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, i will be back... i had quit that indicator...
[22:35] <DKcross> nalioth,  yes
[22:35] <DKcross> natewiebe13,  yes,, sorry
[22:35] <DKcross> :D
[22:35] <natewiebe13> works?
[22:36] <natewiebe13> DKcross: it works for you?
[22:36] <DKcross> nate what? dpkg ?
[22:36] <DKcross> -reconfigure ....?
[22:37] <natewiebe13> no.. notify-osd
[22:37] <DKcross> oh yes
[22:37] <natewiebe13> good
[22:37] <DKcross> its working fine!
[22:37] <natewiebe13> i was really happy when it fixed my problem
[22:37] <DKcross> natewiebe13, thanks :D
[22:37] <natewiebe13> its now in the top right
[22:38] <DKcross> yes, i dont like.. in the middle
[22:38] <natewiebe13> no probs.. full credit to Michalxo
[22:38] <natewiebe13> (he gave me the instructions)
[22:38] <DKcross> oh ok
[22:39] <DKcross> thanks then! Michalxo
[22:39] <natewiebe13> hes off right now, but you can thank him some tiem
[22:41] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: status?
[22:41] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, indicator is crashing :D
[22:41] <natewiebe13> wow
[22:42] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: that sucks
[22:42] <penguin42> wow - my indicator applet just lit up - I hate to think what determines if it does that
[22:42]  * penguin42 suspect it's somehow related to notify
[22:42] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, apport is sending a report
[22:43] <natewiebe13> you should try it with my package
[22:43] <DKcross> when i start the session ubuntu try mount partition and have problems
[22:43] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: its working for both myself and DKcross
[22:43] <DKcross> but its other partition..
[22:44] <DKcross> arvind_khadri,  yes, its working fine
[22:45] <arvind_khadri> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/420795
[22:45] <arvind_khadri> wtf!!
[22:46] <hashbrowncipher> does anyone know any issues in Karmic where bootup hangs for just about 3 minutes, and then continues correctly
[22:46] <natewiebe13> plus you have a modified version of notify-osd
[22:46] <natewiebe13> hashbrowncipher: i had that, i blacklisted floppy and it fixed for me
[22:46] <natewiebe13> "blacklist floppy" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[22:46] <stefg> hashbrowncipher: prolly looking for a non-existant floppy drive. check launchpad, iirc there'S a bug filed
[22:47] <natewiebe13> i think there is a bug
[22:47] <natewiebe13> i remember seeing one
[22:49] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, test now?
[22:51] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, test now
[22:52] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: test
[22:52] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, am using xchat, does that change anything?
[22:52] <natewiebe13> im using pidgin
[22:52] <natewiebe13> did xchat use notify-osd?
[22:53] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, nope :D
[22:53] <natewiebe13> so it wont now
[22:53] <natewiebe13> umm.. do you have volume control on your keyboard?
[22:53] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, btw i dont get any notifications even when my friend is pinging me on pidgin
[22:53] <natewiebe13>  do
[22:53] <natewiebe13> *i do
[22:54] <natewiebe13> there is a plugin "libnotify popups" version 0.14
[22:54] <natewiebe13> make sure its on
[22:55] <natewiebe13> back in 5 min
[22:55] <acicula> does anyone know about a regression with GSM broadband and network manager, with karmic it wont setup the network connection anymore and i'm not really sure where to troubleshoot the problem
[22:56] <BUGabundo> acicula: asac is on vacations
[22:56] <BUGabundo> so you won't get much help
[22:57] <BUGabundo> AFAIK trunk ppa has many fixes for it
[22:57] <acicula> BUGabundo: asac?
[22:57] <acicula> BUGabundo: and who's PPA?
[22:58] <BUGabundo> daily ppa network manager
[22:58] <acicula> ah i'll have a look
[22:58] <acicula> thanx
[22:59] <BUGabundo> np
[23:01] <durt> hey folks, glxgears reports 5000 frames per 5 secs. unprivleged user, about 5300 frames per 5 secs. root. (DRI?), but googleearth is as slow as if it was using software openGL. Nvidia 6200. Any thoughts?
[23:01] <ali1234> durt: using compiz? GE doesn't like it much
[23:01] <durt> no
[23:02] <natewiebe13> what version of nvidia drivers?
[23:02] <durt> also nvidia-185
[23:02] <natewiebe13> im using 190.18 they seemed to give me better performance
[23:03] <natewiebe13> durt.. have you tried the 190 drivers?
[23:03] <durt> no, in PPA?
[23:03] <QPrime> anyone else experiencing hard lockups almost immediately after login with the latest updates (last 3 days)
[23:03] <natewiebe13> yeah
[23:03] <natewiebe13> yeah to durt.. not QPrime
[23:04] <QPrime> ;)
[23:04] <durt> I'll give it a try.
[23:04] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, this weird... now indicator-applet is running... but no notifications.i even set the plugin in pidgin
[23:04] <bcurtiswx> hey all, how do I change the default kernel loaded at startup with grub?
[23:05] <QPrime> natewiebe13: yeah had to read the backlog but I figured that out
[23:05] <natewiebe13> durt: https://launchpad.net/~thefirstm/+archive/karmic-testing
[23:05] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: make sure that the window does not have focus
[23:05] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, it doesnt have focus
[23:05] <natewiebe13> are you running your irc in pidgin?
[23:06] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, actually notifications also come when i connect to the internet
[23:06] <natewiebe13> okay
[23:06] <durt> even so, GE shouldn't be using software GL, it's at ~80% cpu. makes me wonder why.
[23:06] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: do you get notifications then?
[23:06] <natewiebe13> or still no?
[23:07] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, wait let me check that... be back in few mins
[23:10] <bcurtiswx> hey all, how do I change the default kernel loaded at startup with grub?
[23:11] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:11] <BUGabundo> me too
[23:12] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13: got it.... i actually hadnt changed buuble.c :S
[23:12] <natewiebe13> okay..
[23:12] <natewiebe13> so you recompiled? or ?
[23:13] <penguin42> bcurtiswx: There's a defaults line in the /boot/grub/menu.lst   - for Grub 1 - hmm I don't know with Grub2
[23:13] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13: am on pidgin now, just do a test. i just changed the value in bubble.c and recompiled
[23:13] <bcurtiswx> because my Karmic install gets preference, but since I host a website on my jaunty install i want that to load by default
[23:14] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri:  test
[23:15] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13: nope... doesnt matter... anyways... it works for what it should
[23:15] <natewiebe13> good..
[23:15] <natewiebe13> all i know is im glad notifications are back at the top where they belong
[23:15] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13: did you revert back to alsa yet?
[23:16] <natewiebe13> nope.. pa works
[23:19] <bjsnider> durt, that old card is junk
[23:19] <bjsnider> glxgears is not a reliable benchmark
[23:20] <penguin42> well, it doesn't do much with the card
[23:23] <durt> I just mentioned it to show that the hardware is working. GE is not using it for some reason.
[23:29] <durt> ok, just ran GE with sudo and it's back to it's normal speed. reg users don't get video privileges? or what ever that group is.
[23:32] <sparr> When looking at the Sound Preferences panel in Gnome, on the Applications tab, sometimes I see an app that is playing audio appear and disappear repeatedly, and the audio cuts in and out.  What might cause that?
[23:32] <penguin42> now just a matter of figuring out which group
[23:42] <Twigaathy> oo, I have a new update manager type dooberry in the system tray next to the clock ...
[23:42] <BUGabundo> I do
[23:42] <BUGabundo> what the heck is it doing thre?
[23:43] <Twigaathy> Except I can't see any way to turn it off, and the 'show updates' thing is broken...
[23:43] <BUGabundo> I don't have any updates pendign
[23:53] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: so everything is working correctly?
[23:55] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: and you asked if i switched to also, but pulse audio is still working fine for me
[23:55] <Neonexus> anyone had problems with firestarter in karmic?
[23:57] <connex> Hi, I have issues with pulse not starting without X.
[23:59]  * penguin42 wonders if anyone else has tried running it without X
[23:59] <Neonexus> I was very excited about the new artwork, such a let down !