[00:00] bjsnider, oh, i didn't even think about that. on the other hand, i've tried karmic from both a livecd and upgrading from jaunty, and the problem exists. i haven't changed the system font size, but is it possible that the default was changed in karmic? [00:00] i think the default should be 10 [00:01] keanu, wait, all versions of firefox on karmic are borked? [00:01] what about a webkit-based browser? [00:01] midori, for instance === keith is now known as lifesaglitch === lifesaglitch is now known as keith [00:02] blackest_knight: related, possibly. helpful, definitely [00:02] in the span of a 20 second skype call i got... [00:03] I: client.c: Created 463 "Native client (UNIX socket client)" D: protocol-native.c: Protocol version: remote 16, local 16 I: protocol-native.c: Got credentials: uid=1000 gid=1000 success=1 D: protocol-native.c: SHM possible: yes D: protocol-native.c: Negotiated SHM: yes D: module-augment-properties.c: Looking for .desktop file for skype I: client.c: Freed 463 "ALSA plug-in [skype]" I: protocol-nat [00:03] 463 of those [00:03] counting up from 1 [00:03] ok, karmic has a _development_ version of pulseaudio [00:04] bjsnider, yeah, all versions of firefox on karmic have this happening. it's also occurring on midori [00:04] is this a web-based torrent app? [00:05] BUGabundo: cool. [00:05] bjsnider, yeah [00:05] hmm i'm looking a bit stuffed I need working audio and a cpu thats not being maxed out [00:06] is there a newer version in karmic or something? [00:06] blackest_knight: im not having the cpu problem, sorry [00:06] what do you mean? being a web based app, wouldn't it not depend on the operating system? [00:07] is it possible to dump pulse and add oss4 or is that not going to be practical [00:07] bjsnider, i noticed that in opera though, it appears fine (on karmic) [00:07] keanu, i mean the package in karmic is it newer than jaunty? [00:07] blackest_knight: possible yes, will it break stuff, probably [00:08] bjsnider, sorry, little confused. which package are you referring to? [00:08] the torrent app [00:09] bjsnider: everything in karmic is newer then jaunty(not necesarilly better mind you) [00:09] wrong, sir [00:09] nice try though [00:09] blackest_knight, I have seen several people refer to getting rid of pulse and using ALSA directly. That may be easier. Pulse is still a little rocky, but I like the direction it is going and the capabilities. [00:09] acicula: I guess when things are broken already either revert to jaunty and wait or mess around and see if it can be broke into a more useable system [00:10] blackest_knight: it's a development version, stuff breaks constantly [00:10] ah, it's one of my websites, not on either of my jaunty/karmic boxes. both jaunty and karmic are accessing the same page though [00:10] blackest_knight: so basically yeah :) [00:10] Severian: well i guess i may go that direction [00:10] * DanaG is really irrated at Skype for giving Linux and PulseAudio a bad name. [00:10] keanu, alright give me the link and i'll try it [00:10] It's probably one of the single most-often-broken and most-often-complained-about apps. [00:11] pulse or skype ? [00:11] Skype. [00:11] And it hasn't been updated in, like, a full year... if I remember correctly. [00:12] still ships for 7.04 on the download page i think [00:12] http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=240691&st=60&start=60 [00:12] correction... they just finally updated it YESTERDAY. [00:12] Skype is a bad idea for several reasons. Use a SIP client. Twinkle works well for me. It is not perfect. [00:13] bjsnider, http://212.117.173.220/rutorrent [00:13] skype has many paying customers, most of them not on linux [00:13] heh seems that way [00:14] Skype just works for most of its userbase. which is a problem since its so useless for anything less basic [00:15] i still have to get it to work again on jaunty (no mic sound) [00:15] they are supposed to be working on a skype sip gateway but i signed up for it months ago and never heard anything back [00:15] keanu, works perfectly on ff 3.5 here [00:15] i'm looking at the settings page [00:16] bjsnider, and the 'connection' tab on the settings page displays to the right instead of down below? [00:17] yes the whole settings page looks exactly like it should [00:18] hmm...that's odd. unless my resolution is somehow playing a role in it, i'm not sure why it's doing that. i've tried both reinstalling firefox as well as booting from a karmic livecd [00:18] both the reinstalled version and the livecd have it parsing improperly [00:19] what screen resolution is it? [00:20] here it's 1152x863 [00:20] mine's 1280x800 [00:21] what graphics driver? [00:23] well, we've both got a vanilla desktop here, the only difference is hardware. i'm running it inside a vm [00:23] not sure of the graphics driver. it's an intel GM965 though [00:24] well, maybe it's intel's fault [00:24] but i doubt it [00:26] i remember seeing on the alpha page that in karmic the graphics driver for intel cards was switched from exa to uxa, but i'm not sure if that'd make a difference [00:26] it has to do with using vram for pixmaps instead of normal ram [00:27] Karmic is missing gnometris! Oh noes!! [00:27] ah, k [00:28] it would be fantastic to get rid of the almost habitual blitting that goes on in linux graphics APIs [00:28] you can disable uxa in the xorg.conf file if you want to try that [00:28] and uxa is not in use in jaunty, so that could explain why it works in jaunty [00:28] !find gdk-pixbuf.loaders [00:28] Package/file gdk-pixbuf.loaders does not exist in karmic [00:29] I deal with an emulation program that shows a 800x600 sized screen and it takes at least as long to get the RGBA buffer dumped on screen as it takes to calculate it. [00:29] and that's when you are lucky and it works near-optimally... when you aren't so lucky, it takes up to 3 times as much [00:30] so you spend like 10 % of host CPU on the hard part and then 30 % blitting the crap [00:31] so yes, having pixmaps in video ram is about the best thing ever linux could do to make all sorts of nice things *fast* [00:31] are you being sarcastic dude? [00:32] bjsnider, kind of a noob question, but how would i disable uxa? [00:32] look in the ubuntu wiki for the intel graphics driver [00:32] k [00:32] not sarcastic at all. I'd be thrilled to have equivalent of directx in linux. [00:32] are you being sarcastic dude? [00:33] hardware screen surface mapped to process. That would be awesome. [00:33] i noticed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting that it says to enable it, add the AccelMathod line to xorg.conf, except mine doesn't have that line [00:33] i think it's enabled int he driver by default [00:33] i hope they didn't remove exa though [00:34] alankila, if you're serious you should try using nvidia hardware [00:34] anyway, that gdk pixbuf is one of the most annoying things ever. The worst part about it is that every conversion is always a 3-step process. For instance, if you need to go from ARGB to BGRA or something, it does ARGB -> RGB -> BGRA conversion because it has RGB as common format. So it spends twice the time it needs to copying stuff around. [00:34] urr, 2-step process. [00:35] hey, I managed to get skype to use qgtkstyle. [00:35] is that even packaged at this point? qgtkstyle? [00:36] bjsnider: yes, I'm a nvidia user, relatively happy too... Anyway my complaints have somehow been addressed because these days the 3x slowdown is gone and instead I see 1x slowdown, so clearly people have been working on it. That's great! But I'd really want to write directly to graphics RAM, because that eliminates moving 96 MB of memory per second [00:36] Yeah, it's now part of upstream QT. [00:36] the nvidia blob does write directly to vram [00:37] the nvidia blob has a working memory manager [00:37] It took a bit of hackery, though -- somebody's wrapper script, and using getlibs to get my gtk theme engine. [00:37] gotta' go nowzzz. [00:39] bjsnider: I tried to use texture-from-pixmap extension at some point to write directly to texture-in-gfx-ram, but I was unable then to make it work. I'm not sure if that extension is supposed to work together with compiz [00:39] there are some programs around which were supposed to use that extension but all which I tried crashed after I compiled and ran them [00:40] tell nvidia about it [00:40] maybe it matures to a point where I can just write to the mapped texture area and have it just work, albeit it is a veritable bitch to set this up, a ton of weird calls that you have to make instead of a simple function that just hands you a texture shared with gfx card [00:41] and it's also available on the intel platofrm too at this point [00:41] anyway, that is still probably the most optimal solution available, a "better-than-xvideo" xvideo, because xv uses the yuv format which has half the chromatic resolution of RGB data. [00:42] use vdpau === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [00:46] did i exit ? [00:47] did the old skype do sms ? [00:48] bjsnider, i just tried jaunty on a vps and it appears to display fine as well === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [01:04] hmm uninstalling pulse audio dropped system load from 3.5 to 0.07 [01:05] only thing how to get working sound again without it going mental with cpu use [01:11] dang "aptitude safe-upgrade" just broke my mplayer dependencies (medibuntu files) [01:30] Anyone know what it takes to get 2.6.31-8-generic to install? (q.v., https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/418509/comments/41) [01:30] Launchpad bug 418509 in linux "[Karmic] Hangs during shutdown with kernel 2.6.31-7" [High,Fix released] [01:32] I'm not getting it to install automatically on either amd64 or i386. [01:33] leave [01:33] crap ... [01:34] eurythmia: /part ? [01:35] you might need to wait a bit for -8 to come down the pipe [01:35] I was wondering, but others appear to have gotten it to install, hence the question. [01:35] -8? [01:35] yes [01:35] According to replies on that bug. [01:36] aptitude safe-upgrade [01:36] ? [01:36] oh [01:36] well you can install the mainline kernel if you'd like [01:36] LOL Already tried. dist-upgrade, safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, just to see what they reported. [01:36] If it is still pending, I can wait. [01:36] nevermind [01:36] mainline kernel isn't even out [01:37] rc8 isn't even released [01:37] What do you mean by "mainline" kernel in this context? [01:37] so i don't know what they're talking about [01:37] Ah, OK. [01:37] -8 is already out from Ubuntu because -7 was broken. [01:37] Is it possible to setup Karmic with the Jaunty sound or at least something similar? [01:38] badly broken, in fact. [01:38] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ [01:38] This cracking is starting to annoy me. [01:38] billybigrigger, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.31-8.28/+build/1192023 [01:39] billybigrigger: That just made my day [01:39] ... [01:40] that's odd [01:40] billybigrigger: Can those mainline PPAs be used in Kardy too? [01:40] err Hardy [01:40] lol [01:40] i don't see why not [01:40] i [01:41] Awesome. I need to bookmark that and log into Jaunty. :D [01:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/extace/+bug/399565 [01:41] Launchpad bug 399565 in extace "extace crashed with SIGSEGV in fftw_execute()" [Undecided,New] [01:42] NoCode, I'd be careful mixing and matching kernels across releases. But if you're prepared for the "fun" ... [01:42] NoelJB: What will happen? Dependency hell? [01:42] i think you'd have better luck with those kernels on jaunty [01:43] not so much hardy though [01:43] I ment Jaunty. :( [01:49] haha did anyone seen any new artwork for the ArtworkFirstDrop? [01:49] :P [01:52] I wish there was a way to remove HAL and get Karmic performance in Jaunty. :| [01:52] update-manager -d ;-) [01:53] NoelJB: What would that do? [01:53] Jaunty->Karmic ;-) [01:53] bleh [01:53] I already have Karmic on another partition. No need for that [01:53] Serious sound issues here still [01:54] in Karmic [01:54] I wish I could install Jaunty's PA setup into Karmic. :P [01:55] You've reported the PA bugs? (Other than people considering PA to *be* the bug) [01:55] Yeah I've reported. [01:55] it's a ffmpeg bug [02:03] I have issues with my USB sound card; I'll deal with filing them this weekend, I think. [02:04] bjsnider, still on? [02:04] yes [02:05] slight correction to before - when testing karmic on the vps, it worked when i didn't have ubuntu-desktop and its dependencies installed (just a barebones install + firefox + vnc). however, installing ubuntu-desktop and then trying it causes the bug to appear [02:06] did you try disabling uxa? [02:07] being a vnc, i don't think uxa is enabled - the vps is on a server, not my laptop with the intel chip [02:08] well,, then i don't know. it works fine here, is all i can tell you [02:09] k, thanks [02:09] i'll see if i can keep testing to find out any more info [02:13] here's my bootchart... takes a rather annoyingly long time to reach desktop. [02:13] http://picpaste.com/EliteBook-karmic-20090827-1.png [02:14] And the bootchart is rather poorly drawn. [02:20] I'm just guessing, but I guess I just have to install the linux-image, and linux-headers deb files from the mainline? [02:22] NoCode, are you 32 or 64 bit? [02:22] 32bit [02:22] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.31-8.28/+build/1192025 [02:22] and don't ask for help. LOL [02:23] Oo, new launchpad. wth. :( === keanu is now known as [keanu] === [keanu] is now known as keanu [02:34] are the iso's at www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4 daily builds? [02:34] no [02:35] IdleOne, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [02:35] thank you [02:36] np [02:39] Is there any easy way to update grub with a new kernel installed? [02:41] $ sudo update-grub [02:41] ? [02:43] very nice! [02:43] brb [02:47] archive.ubuntu.com slow to anyone? [02:50] how do I change the login screen in alpha 5? [02:51] you dont [02:51] least not until it is released [02:53] I thought I read somewhere before about a command line command that would work [02:53] alpha 5!?!?! :-O [02:53] * billybigrigger must have missed the memo [02:53] :P [02:54] sorry, meant alpha 4, typo [02:55] Hello. GDM will not work on my system but startx works. [02:55] Any advice? [02:55] I type /etc/init.d/gdm restart and it shows "starting" and "stopping" properly but doesn't do anything. [03:02] for anyone wanting the new kernel, I just posted scripts for installing it to the bug report, since it still hasn't hit the mirrors. [03:05] MindVirus1, what do you see in /var/log/gdm/ ? Most recent log (or tail -n 0 -F /var/log/gdm/* in a separate tty while restarting gdm). [03:05] MindVirus1, And please don't paste it into IRC. :-) [03:05] NoelJB: no such directory. [03:05] !pastebin [03:05] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic [03:06] Don't worry, I know all about that. [03:06] :P [03:06] MindVirus1, you don't have /var/log/gdm ?? [03:06] I am running tmpfs on /var IIRC. [03:06] No, on /var/log. [03:07] you don't have /var/log? [03:08] I have /var/log. [03:08] And I have shit in /var/log. Just not /var/log/gd. [03:08] *gdm [03:08] and where do you have log files owned by gdm? [03:09] My guess as to the reason GDM logfiles are not there is that GDM hasn't run yet. [03:09] As /var/log is tmpfs, it's cleared out every time I restart my computer. [03:09] So it looks like GDM has never been run. [03:10] Has it worked since you changed /var/log to use tmpfs? [03:10] Yes. /var/log has been tmpfs ever since 8.10. [03:11] It stopped working as soon as I got 9.10. [03:11] Which was just now. [03:11] GDM is failing in a way that it doesn't even log. [03:12] When I run /etc/init.d/gdm restart, it doesn't take long enough of a time -- in other words, it's obvious it's not doing anything. [03:12] try creating /var/log/gdm, make it owned (for this test) by root:gdm and 777, and see if anything happens. [03:12] I will have to exit from this X session. [03:13] I will connect through irssi. [03:13] One minute. [03:13] I will BRB in irssi. [03:14] <[MindVirus]> Hello there. [03:14] <[MindVirus]> OK. [03:14] <[MindVirus]> What did you want me to do? [03:14] MindVirus, maybe this thread will help. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1248803&highlight=login [03:15] <[MindVirus]> Alright, let me get links. [03:16] <[MindVirus]> How does one paste with GPM, again? [03:17] <[MindVirus]> Nevermind. [03:18] <[MindVirus]> kanuha: I'm really sorry; reading threads in links is a big bitch. Could you paraphrase or something, please? [03:18] <[MindVirus]> NoelJB: you there? [03:19] [MindVirus]: the thread says to use startx [03:19] <[MindVirus]> danbhfive: that's what I'm doing. [03:20] <[MindVirus]> The problem is that I have to; I'd like to use GDM. [03:21] MindVirus, am now. [03:21] <[MindVirus]> Hello. What did you want me to do? [03:21] try creating /var/log/gdm, make it owned (for this test) by root:gdm and 777, and see if anything happens. [03:22] Are you using nvidia? Which driver? [03:22] <[MindVirus]> No. I have an Intel 945GME. [03:23] OK. So not the nvidia problem mentioned in the thread. [03:24] <[MindVirus]> NoelJB: I got GDM to work. [03:24] <[MindVirus]> Give me a minute; let me reboot. [03:24] You did? How? :-) [03:26] weird... I keep seeing this notification icon showing "window with arrows pointing out of it" appear. [03:26] ... and then it disappears when I move my mouse. [03:29] It seems like the problem was that /var/log/gdm was not there. [03:29] This is stupid. [03:29] Someone patch up GDM; if /var/log/gdm does not exist it should be created silently. [03:30] I had a feeling that was going to be the problem. :-D [03:30] One second. I will confirm this. [03:30] MindVirus1, want to create the bug report? [03:30] I am not sure this is the problem yet. [03:30] I want to be sure. [03:31] When I start up Ubuntu regularly, I get a flashing white cursor at the top-left of the black screen. [03:31] You know what I'm talking about, I'm sure. [03:31] everybody's had problems booting and shutting down the -7 kernel release [03:31] bjsnider, yes [03:32] the new -8 fixes them. [03:32] BRB; testing my hypothesis. [03:33] ah, it's window-fullscreen.png [03:33] bjsnider, is -8 updating for you yet? If not, I posted a script for installing it, to Bug 418509 [03:33] Launchpad bug 418509 in linux "[Karmic] Hangs during shutdown with kernel 2.6.31-7" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418509 [03:34] so, the question is, why do I keep getting a "window fullscreen" icon appearing in my notification area? [03:34] It was exactly the problem. [03:34] Good job. [03:35] Subscribe me to the bug report, if you don't mind. [03:35] I tried running GDM; it did not work. Then I made the folder and retried running GDM and it worked. [03:35] No problem. Excellent work. [03:35] Bugs don't get fixed this fast. [03:35] Or just post the bug # once you get it posted. [03:36] Are you going to post it now? If so, I'll wait. Else I'm going to reboot. :-) [03:36] Not yet. [03:37] MindVirus1, already present as Bug 405227 [03:37] Launchpad bug 405227 in gdm "gdm fails to start if /var/log/gdm does not exist" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/405227 [03:37] The priority should be raised to critical. [03:37] Feel free to comment. [03:37] Many EeePC users have /var/log set to tmpfs. [03:38] In the meantime, you can add a call to rc.local to create it. [03:38] actually, that might be too late. [03:39] but you could modify /etc/init.d/gdm to do it. [03:39] Too late? [03:40] rc.local would run too late, I believe. [03:40] In any event, you can see the exact fix on that bug report. [03:40] This shouldn't be in /etc/init.d/gdm, though. [03:40] There should be a real fix. [03:41] /etc/init.d/gdm doesn't have any logging code. [03:42] There. I'm done with this. [03:42] NoelJB: thank you for your speedy help. [03:43] Welcome. [03:43] bjsnider, wow i feel like an idiot [03:44] BRB, 9.10 is beautiful. Good work, guys. [03:45] i finally went through and found that having ttf-thai-tlwg installed is what caused the display issue. apparently font-family Tahoma's size 11 text is larger than san-serif's [03:46] Also, booting up should fail gracefully. [03:50] So... I'm trying to upgrade everyting linux-image-generic and linux-generic were removed during updates. I try to install linux-image-generic again and it gets upset because there's an unmet dependency (linux-image-2.6.31-8-generic). It won't install that [03:50] No candidate version found for linux-image-2.6.31-8-generic [03:50] it hasn't been released yet [03:51] oh.. [03:51] keanu, actually that's right in line with some of the things i've seen in ff 3.5 [03:51] when will it be released? [03:52] Man, 9.10 is a huge improvement, even though bugs are rampant. [03:52] MindVirus1: agreed - they kind of go hand in hand though :P [03:52] This is probably the most drastic since 8.10. [03:52] IIRC. [03:53] bjsnider, yeah. toggling between having that package installed/uninstalled seems to fix it for me though [03:53] any idea when linux-image-2.6.31-8-generic will be available? [03:55] weird, ibus LaTeX method eats spaces. [03:56] So I'm using 9.10... And everything was working very well, and then suddenly, (I wasn't installing packages or anything) I lost sound in firefox and exaile. Chromium and totem still have sound. Rebooting did not help, I wonder if I'm missing something obvious? [04:08] i don't know why the dev's have released a 2.6.31-8 kernel [04:08] maybe its a virtual package or psuedo kernel or something [04:09] 2 hours ago Linus Torvalds Linux 2.6.31-rc8 master v2.6.31-rc8 commit | commitdiff | tree | snapshot [04:09] Solved my problem.. it was in the "Applications" tab of sound preferences. [04:09] hmm [04:09] last commit to rc8 was 7 hours ago [04:10] maybe ubuntu dev's pulled it early knowing there were no more commits [04:10] who knows [04:11] rc8 is supposed to have some fixes (reverts) that might make this system work better [04:11] I know rc7 will kill this system [04:11] maybe fixes on the ubuntu side [04:11] http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=summary [04:12] hmm, I don't see -8 kernel on the repos yet. [04:12] DanaG, linus' [04:13] linus' git tree just released rc8 2 hours ago :P [04:13] i think the dev's created a psuedo rc8 kernel for some reason [04:13] hmm, well, I don't see that one, either. [04:13] because rc8 isn't in mainline yet [04:13] That's what I meant. [04:13] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.31-8.28/+build/1192023 [04:13] oh yeah, who here was it that recommended I try deluge? I'm having odd behavior... Deluge has horribly slow upload speeds, for some reason. [04:14] it was built for all arch's about 10 hours ago [04:14] 2.6.31-8.28 [04:14] PUBLISHED: Karmic pocket Release in component main and section devel [04:14] * Published 12 hours ago [04:14] should have hit repo's already [04:14] but no one is able to pull it === dtchen changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Karmic Koala (9.10) discussion channel | Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system - LVM users should avoid 2.6.31-7.27-generic (#418514, fixed in -8.28-) | Schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule | Please join #ubuntu for all other support questions | Alpha 4 Released: www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4 | 100 Papercuts: http://u.nu/9gvu [04:15] dtchen: are you SURE about that fix? [04:15] billybigrigger: it's awaiting binary NEW by archive admin. [04:15] MTeck: quite sure [04:15] Linux errno 2.6.31-8-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Thu Aug 27 14:42:57 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux [04:16] ^^ this is my dev machine with encrypted lvm / [04:16] dtchen: I think something broke in repos :( [04:16] billybigrigger: fix it? :) [04:18] MTeck: ? [04:18] billybigrigger: sorry, i hadn't refreshed. [04:18] billybigrigger: it has been accepted already. [04:18] billybigrigger: so, depending on your mirror, it should be available within a couple hours. [04:18] dtchen: -8 isn't available in the repos yet [04:18] MTeck: see what i just typed to billybigrigger [04:19] it was just binary NEWed, so it'll take a full publisher run to farm out [04:19] oh - missed that [04:19] can you explain what you just said? [04:21] MTeck: ok, so there are two phases at which packages generally need to be accepted into the Ubuntu archive [04:21] MTeck: one is called source NEW, which is the introduction of a new source package name [04:21] MTeck: the other is called binary NEW, which is the introduction of a new binary package name [04:22] MTeck: the former (source NEW) is not applicable here, because a source package with name 'linux' already exists in the Karmic archive [04:22] bjsnider, i also noticed that downgrading to the jaunty version of ttf-thai-tlwg (0.4.11) fixes the problem - think that's enough to be considered a bug in the package? [04:22] MTeck: the latter (binary NEW) is applicabel here, because many new binary packages generated from the 'linux' source package are built [04:22] applicable* [04:23] makes sense [04:23] dtchen, news to me [04:23] billybigrigger: what is news? [04:23] i thought once the package was published it was in repos [04:24] no [04:24] * Published 12 hours ago [04:24] see above :-) [04:24] that just means it's awating binary acceptance [04:24] yeah i read it :P [04:24] billybigrigger: published into the NEW queue, yes [04:24] fortunately it has been accepted, so it'll be available shortly [04:24] so farm means, upload to repos? [04:24] MTeck: dinstall, rsync, etc. [04:25] !info dinstall [04:25] Package dinstall does not exist in karmic [04:25] dtchen, any insight as to why -8 was built 10 hours before it was actually released in git? [04:25] !dinstall [04:25] Sorry, I don't know anything about dinstall [04:25] (see dak) [04:25] not that it really matters [04:25] billybigrigger: right, it doesn't ultimately matter to end users [04:25] i'm just used to seeing the rc kernel in mainline a few hours AFTER being released in git [04:26] the PPA buildds don't have the same process [04:26] they're auto-accept [04:26] keanu, yes [04:26] i.e., soyuz treats the archive proper different to PPA archives [04:26] * MTeck slips knowledge stream from dtchen to self [04:27] billybigrigger: -8 does not correspond to 2.6.31-rc8 [04:27] billybigrigger: it corresponds to KSM being reverted, hence the ABI bump to -8- [04:27] :-O [04:27] billybigrigger: in fact, the rebase against 2.6.31-rc8 has not yet occurred in ubuntu-karmic.git [04:28] 31-8 doesn't = 31-rc8? [04:28] i'm flabber gasted [04:28] the KSM addition in 2.6.31-7.27 caused the spectacular LVM boot failures [04:28] * MTeck is excited for ksm reversion - idk what ksm is but I don't like the change [04:28] i was always under the assumption it was [04:28] tim/andy will rebase against rc8 in the morning [04:28] boot failures!?!? haha what about the shutdown hangs? :P [04:28] (i.e., a few hours?) [04:29] billybigrigger: well, i can't speak for those, but it's probable those are resolved, too [04:29] i.e., if 2.6.31-rc7 mainline did not hang on reboot/shutdown, then 2.6.31-8.28 does resolve that symptom [04:29] UGH, stupid Deluge makes instantly-expiring UPnP port-forwards. [04:30] DanaG, you must have something configured wrong [04:30]