| === stevie is now known as heHATEme | ||
| === heHATEme is now known as vorian | ||
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: hmm... the wireless/battery panel icons end up blurry > http://imagebin.ca/view/RgUfsKq.html , but the volume is fine , i believe its because the icons dont exist in the 24px | 06:29 |
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| bratsche | Hey all. | 07:15 |
| DanRabbit1 | mac_v: I'm working on it :D | 07:26 |
| DanRabbit1 | I'm just trying to solve some issues with the monochrome status stuff, and then I'll scale | 07:26 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: why does it have 5 signals? o.0 | 07:27 |
| mac_v | shouldn it be 4? | 07:27 |
| DanRabbit1 | Yea, but for the size and spacing and angle I wanted, I had to do 5 | 07:27 |
| DanRabbit1 | do you think it's a really bad idea :p ? | 07:27 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: hehe , yup , i'v already done one with correct scaling , i'm not sure what you are talking about | 07:28 |
| DanRabbit1 | done one what? | 07:29 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: oh long time ago , just a sec , let me find it... its a different style but can be done similar | 07:29 |
| DanRabbit1 | Well, i wanted the bars to go up at a certain angle, and I wanted the bars to be a certain width, and I wanted the icon to have a certain width, and I couldn't satisfy that with 4 bars | 07:29 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-75.svg | 07:30 |
| mac_v | but angle? i dont notice any angle , they seem straight | 07:30 |
| mac_v | mine are a different width , than yours though | 07:31 |
| DanRabbit1 | I mean the angle from the shortest bar to the tallest bar | 07:32 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-76.svg , just a quick edit to make it simialr to yours | 07:32 |
| DanRabbit1 | I only see 1 bar :p | 07:33 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: oh its white , change the background | 07:33 |
| DanRabbit1 | o lol | 07:33 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: whats your icon color? | 07:34 |
| mac_v | # | 07:34 |
| DanRabbit1 | It's evolving right now | 07:34 |
| DanRabbit1 | I'm about to change it | 07:34 |
| DanRabbit1 | but currently, 717171ff | 07:34 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-77.svg | 07:35 |
| DanRabbit1 | Yea, not the width or angle I want :D | 07:36 |
| mac_v | ;p | 07:36 |
| mac_v | you want 2px? | 07:36 |
| DanRabbit1 | yea | 07:37 |
| DanRabbit1 | It has to be approximately 15x15 pixels | 07:38 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-78.svg | 07:38 |
| DanRabbit1 | and less spacing | 07:39 |
| DanRabbit1 | and it won't work | 07:39 |
| DanRabbit1 | I promise | 07:39 |
| DanRabbit1 | you can't have the width I want and the spacing I want and the total width I want | 07:39 |
| DanRabbit1 | they conflict | 07:39 |
| mac_v | yup , i'v got an idea | 07:39 |
| DanRabbit1 | :p | 07:39 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-60.svg | 07:43 |
| DanRabbit1 | oh, your smart as hell, aren't you ? | 07:43 |
| mac_v | very rough work ;) | 07:43 |
| DanRabbit1 | that's very nice | 07:43 |
| DanRabbit1 | damn, your good | 07:44 |
| DanRabbit1 | could you do them all? | 07:44 |
| mac_v | hehe ;) | 07:44 |
| DanRabbit1 | (because I'm lazy :D ) | 07:44 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: no probs , its easy once you have the idea :) | 07:44 |
| DanRabbit1 | cool | 07:44 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: changes you want? | 07:44 |
| mac_v | any* | 07:44 |
| mac_v | or color wise? | 07:45 |
| DanRabbit1 | make the color whatever you think would be best for the default human theme | 07:45 |
| DanRabbit1 | don't worry about dark panels or anything like that | 07:45 |
| DanRabbit1 | I'm doing a branch for that | 07:45 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: using the same color as the rest is better , you were mentioning something earlier about changing the color? | 07:47 |
| DanRabbit1 | Yea, I'm forking Humanity | 07:47 |
| DanRabbit1 | one for light panels and one for dark panels | 07:47 |
| mac_v | i was saying this > <DanRabbit1> It's evolving right now | 07:48 |
| mac_v | [12:04] <DanRabbit1> I'm about to change it | 07:48 |
| mac_v | [12:04] <DanRabbit1> but currently, 717171ff | 07:48 |
| mac_v | or was that about the fork? | 07:48 |
| DanRabbit1 | Yea, because that color is somewhere in the middle | 07:48 |
| DanRabbit1 | I tried to find a color that would look good for both | 07:48 |
| DanRabbit1 | but David is unhappy with the results | 07:49 |
| mac_v | very tough , to find middle ground , the easiest way is to add a background to the present , | 07:49 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: that way no probs with either panel | 07:50 |
| DanRabbit1 | If you want to give it a go, feel free | 07:50 |
| DanRabbit1 | otherwise, try 4D4D4Dff | 07:50 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: same color 717171ff but added a background http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-61.png | 08:00 |
| DanRabbit1 | how's it look on white panels? | 08:01 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/inwhite.png | 08:03 |
| DanRabbit1 | hmm | 08:04 |
| DanRabbit1 | any way to get it a little brighter on the dark panel? | 08:04 |
| mac_v | in white panels, the background doesnt show , | 08:07 |
| mac_v | the shade could be lighter , just a sec | 08:07 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/black.png http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/newWhite.png | 08:09 |
| DanRabbit1 | no too bad :) | 08:11 |
| DanRabbit1 | Let's try those and see if that makes David happy :D | 08:13 |
| lamalex | DanRabbit1: are humanity icons going to be karmic's icons? | 08:14 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: which? do you think the color was wrong for with or for black? | 08:14 |
| DanRabbit1 | I don't know | 08:14 |
| mac_v | white* | 08:14 |
| DanRabbit1 | mac_v: Ideally it'd be brighter on black and darker on white :D | 08:15 |
| DanRabbit1 | but, I think you've come the closest we're going to get | 08:15 |
| DanRabbit1 | it looks good | 08:15 |
| DanRabbit1 | lamalex: I'm pretty sure Neil said that they were going to be default in UNR | 08:15 |
| lamalex | sweet, congrats | 08:15 |
| lamalex | hope they make it into ubu proper | 08:15 |
| DanRabbit1 | but David said that Mark didn't like them enough to have them go in Ubuntu yet | 08:15 |
| lamalex | would be a huge improvement | 08:16 |
| DanRabbit1 | supposedly they'll be in the community themes package or whatever though | 08:16 |
| lamalex | Mark also wants vertically centered notification bubbles | 08:16 |
| lamalex | just sayin ;) | 08:16 |
| DanRabbit1 | yea | 08:16 |
| DanRabbit1 | lol | 08:16 |
| DanRabbit1 | well | 08:16 |
| DanRabbit1 | sometimes I think he needs to rethink how much he knows about UI design | 08:16 |
| DanRabbit1 | no offense | 08:16 |
| lamalex | "just sayin" | 08:17 |
| mac_v | lamalex: i though he replied wanted to change it | 08:17 |
| mac_v | but just testing for a few more days | 08:17 |
| DanRabbit1 | what I read was that he didn't really want to change it and he wanted to leave it until people really started complaining | 08:17 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: right ;) | 08:17 |
| DanRabbit1 | not to be mean! not to be rude! | 08:17 |
| lamalex | yah, not the same thing as wanting to change it at all | 08:17 |
| DanRabbit1 | I love Ubuntu | 08:17 |
| DanRabbit1 | but | 08:17 |
| DanRabbit1 | some people just don't have every talent in the world. | 08:18 |
| mac_v | hehe , dont worry there is so much hate for it he is bound to change it ;) | 08:18 |
| mac_v | <DanRabbit1> sometimes I think he needs to rethink how much he knows about UI design , well said ;) | 08:18 |
| DanRabbit1 | haha, I don't know if I want that line quoted :D | 08:19 |
| mac_v | lol , i hope irc log has some problem and keeps adding that to ayatana topic ;0 | 08:19 |
| DanRabbit1 | oh god... | 08:20 |
| DanRabbit1 | anyhow! | 08:20 |
| mac_v | back to the icon | 08:20 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: you want it the darker for white? or the current color i showed is fine? | 08:20 |
| DanRabbit1 | if you can get it darker, that'd be awesome | 08:21 |
| DanRabbit1 | I really don't know how you're doing it | 08:21 |
| mac_v | hehe ;) i'm adding a back ground for each signal , it told you this earlier for some other icon | 08:22 |
| DanRabbit1 | might have been the battery | 08:22 |
| DanRabbit1 | either way, I suck at that | 08:22 |
| * DanRabbit1 doesn't like admitting his faults, but he does anyways... | 08:23 | |
| mac_v | oh yeah... it was for the battery | 08:24 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/new-white.png , http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/new-black.png | 08:32 |
| DanRabbit1 | your old black one looked darker | 08:34 |
| DanRabbit1 | I like the more contrast for the not-filled bar though | 08:35 |
| DanRabbit1 | the white ones look like basically the same color | 08:35 |
| DanRabbit1 | I meant to say the old black one was brighter :D | 08:35 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: hehe ;) , so which is better? hard to tell but gotta choose ;p | 08:37 |
| DanRabbit1 | the last one before | 08:38 |
| DanRabbit1 | 2nd to latest | 08:38 |
| mac_v | ok | 08:38 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: just to confirm , you want the full set with this color > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Final-black.png , http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Final-white.png | 08:48 |
| DanRabbit1 | yep, looking sexy | 08:49 |
| mac_v | ok , :) | 08:49 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: ping , i'v got the icons ready :) | 10:42 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: just realized , there is something inherently wrong with nm applet and how it deals with icons! | 11:32 |
| tgpraveen1 | hello what was the final decision taken on behaviour of notifications in full screen apps? | 11:50 |
| nocturn | Hi, I just found out that the new notification bubbles in the middle of the screen are a design choice and not a bug | 13:17 |
| nocturn | Anyone know the reasoning behind this move? | 13:17 |
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| DanRabbit1 | mac_v: ping | 17:14 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: nm has stupid coding! its uses only a part of the 22px grid , if anything is bigger it does some crappy scaling readjustment | 17:17 |
| DanRabbit1 | Yea, that's lame | 17:17 |
| mac_v | that is why the icons are never clear! | 17:17 |
| DanRabbit1 | I know that the battery and volume manager applet does some weird crappy scaling | 17:18 |
| mac_v | i'v figured it out for nm | 17:18 |
| DanRabbit1 | Is it something we can easily fix? | 17:18 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: volume does no such scaling ,volume is perfect | 17:18 |
| DanRabbit1 | I dunno, volume looks crappy for me :/ | 17:19 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: yes we can workaround it... | 17:19 |
| mac_v | nm | 17:19 |
| DanRabbit1 | I mean, do you think it'd be easy to push a fix to the applet upstream | 17:19 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: i'm not sure about that , we need to ask asac | 17:21 |
| mac_v | see the volume has no blurryness > http://imagebin.ca/view/RgUfsKq.html | 17:21 |
| DanRabbit1 | try a horizontal panel really quick | 17:22 |
| mac_v | ah no... it rearranges the icons :( | 17:22 |
| mac_v | ok wait | 17:22 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: works fine with horizontal top panel | 17:24 |
| DanRabbit1 | here let me take a screen of mine | 17:24 |
| DanRabbit1 | http://elementary-project.com/abuse/Screenshot-1.png | 17:26 |
| DanRabbit1 | sharp nm, blurry volume | 17:26 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: http://imagebin.ca/view/yx3p6R.html | 17:26 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: lol how did you get the nm sharp? | 17:27 |
| DanRabbit1 | I did nothing :) | 17:27 |
| DanRabbit1 | The only thing different here is the color | 17:27 |
| mac_v | weird , it works the opposite for me! | 17:27 |
| DanRabbit1 | btw, can I have your new nm icons? | 17:27 |
| mac_v | nm blurry , volume sharp | 17:27 |
| mac_v | just a sec | 17:30 |
| mac_v | damn! everything is so slow! , give me a min | 17:34 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm.tar | 17:35 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: got it, screenshot ? stupid thing doesnt show up properly for me :( | 17:36 |
| DanRabbit1 | wait, what? | 17:36 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: i wonder the blurring is a notification area bug , for me the one on the left is blurry and so is for you , i dont think it has to do with the nm/volumeapplet | 17:38 |
| DanRabbit1 | it's possible that it's about placement | 17:38 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: to test do a $pulseaudio -k | 17:40 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: wait | 17:40 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: first test the icon theme with the nm icons , see how it works , take a screenshot , then $pulseaudio -k | 17:41 |
| DanRabbit1 | okay | 17:43 |
| DanRabbit1 | give me a second | 17:43 |
| DanRabbit1 | okay, it looks good | 17:44 |
| DanRabbit1 | I've got a clear nm-applet still | 17:44 |
| mac_v | let me see :) | 17:45 |
| DanRabbit1 | hmm | 17:46 |
| DanRabbit1 | pulseaudio -k did nothing for me | 17:46 |
| mac_v | didnt the audio icon switch? | 17:46 |
| DanRabbit1 | no | 17:46 |
| mac_v | then do $killall pulseaudio | 17:47 |
| mac_v | are you on jaunty or karmic? | 17:47 |
| DanRabbit1 | jaunty | 17:47 |
| mac_v | hehe! | 17:47 |
| DanRabbit1 | last time I tried Karmic it 'sploded my computer | 17:47 |
| mac_v | thats the old volume applet in jaunty. | 17:48 |
| DanRabbit1 | http://elementary-project.com/abuse/Screenshot.png | 17:48 |
| DanRabbit1 | see pretty :D | 17:48 |
| mac_v | do you dual boot? | 17:48 |
| DanRabbit1 | OSX and Jaunty | 17:48 |
| hyperair | oho, that looks nice. | 17:48 |
| mac_v | damn it! i cant use my own icon! | 17:49 |
| DanRabbit1 | mac_v: you've pretty much succeeded at making it look sexy on dark and light panels | 17:50 |
| mac_v | :) | 17:50 |
| mac_v | hmm , DanRabbit1 try to remove the the volume applet or move ti to the left | 17:50 |
| mac_v | it* | 17:51 |
| DanRabbit1 | I did, it doesn't change | 17:51 |
| DanRabbit1 | I moved it all over the place :) | 17:51 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: oh then there the applet bug is solved in karmic ;) | 17:51 |
| mac_v | volume * | 17:51 |
| DanRabbit1 | hah | 17:52 |
| DanRabbit1 | Maybe, I'll try to upgrade again | 17:52 |
| DanRabbit1 | Do you know offhand if they support Intel GMA now? | 17:52 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: solved because that applet has been deprecated and removed ;p | 17:52 |
| DanRabbit1 | lol | 17:52 |
| mac_v | nope don know about GMA | 17:53 |
| DanRabbit1 | hehe | 17:53 |
| DanRabbit1 | mac_v: are you Robert Dryer? | 17:53 |
| mac_v | who's he ? o.0 | 17:53 |
| DanRabbit1 | okay nvm | 17:53 |
| DanRabbit1 | lol | 17:54 |
| DanRabbit1 | I want to put your name in special thanks in the AUTHORS file | 17:54 |
| mac_v | you knwo where i'm from does that name sound even remotely similar ;p | 17:55 |
| DanRabbit1 | haha, you never know. | 17:55 |
| mac_v | PM -> | 17:56 |
| DanRabbit1 | :D | 17:56 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: keep the screenshot , might be handly when we report the bug | 17:57 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit1: silly question , but just to check , did you unlock the notification area before you moved the volume applet? | 17:58 |
| DanRabbit1 | yes sir :D | 17:58 |
| DanRabbit1 | I tried locked and unlocked | 17:58 |
| mac_v | :(\ | 17:59 |
| * mac_v adds another bug in his todo list | 18:00 | |
| DanRabbit1 | haha | 18:01 |
| DanRabbit | mac_v: any ideas for a wired icon? | 19:12 |
| * mac_v checks the present one | 19:13 | |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: what have you got so far? | 19:18 |
| DanRabbit | nothing :D | 19:19 |
| DanRabbit | I have some errands to run though, so I'm out for a while :D | 19:19 |
| DanRabbit | check out BZR, I changed the inactive color a little so It'd be more clear on a dark panel. | 19:19 |
| DanRabbit | also, I applied the color changes to the battery and volume and messaging applets | 19:20 |
| mac_v | nice ;) , works both ways | 19:31 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: booo > "I don't think these icons are confusing taken in context. " ;p | 19:31 |
| DanRabbit | haha | 19:35 |
| DanRabbit | you think the sidebar icons are bad? | 19:35 |
| DanRabbit | mac_v: ^ | 19:37 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: i think they *will* confuse users :( , thats why with breathe we change the 16px | 19:37 |
| mac_v | previously we did it similar | 19:37 |
| mac_v | then we changed it | 19:37 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: the icons should represent themselves and not supposed to be taken from the context of the menu they are in | 19:38 |
| DanRabbit | I've never heard anyone complain about how finder does it :D | 19:38 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: you and david are tooo influenced by OSX | 19:39 |
| mac_v | ;p | 19:39 |
| DanRabbit | haha | 19:39 |
| DanRabbit | it's a very pretty operating system | 19:40 |
| DanRabbit | we both dual boot :D | 19:40 |
| mac_v | OSX , does do several things right , but not all | 19:40 |
| DanRabbit | I agree | 19:40 |
| DanRabbit | otherwise, I wouldn't be here | 19:41 |
| DanRabbit | :p | 19:41 |
| mac_v | as i said the icons should be able to convey the meaning by itself and for users who are familiar with only Windows , it would be confusing | 19:41 |
| DanRabbit | oh god don't get me started on windows | 19:42 |
| mac_v | hehe... ok pls dont get me started too | 19:42 |
| DanRabbit | Ubuntu, Mac OS, computing in general is going to be difficult for a Windows user | 19:42 |
| DanRabbit | I don't gauge things by how a Windows user would see it | 19:43 |
| DanRabbit | otherwise you'd end up all ass-backwards | 19:43 |
| mac_v | i dont think the windows to ubuntu migration is very difficult , i'v seen several take to it very quickly | 19:43 |
| DanRabbit | I work with the hope that one day my mom will use a computer | 19:43 |
| SiDi | mac_v: users coming from windows find EVERYTHING confusing | 19:48 |
| SiDi | especially good design since they're not used to it | 19:48 |
| * SiDi hides | 19:48 | |
| mac_v | SiDi: lol | 19:48 |
| * mac_v thinks Penn&Teller should make a show about Windows | 19:52 | |
| mrooney | hello everyone | 19:54 |
| * SiDi waves at mrooney | 19:59 | |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: how about using the icon firefox , thunderird , evolution use for connect and disconnect ? | 20:04 |
| mac_v | for wired^ | 20:04 |
| DanRabbit | what icon is that? | 20:05 |
| * DanRabbit doesn't use firefox, thunderbird, or evolution | 20:06 | |
| mac_v | just open evolution , its the one of 2 plugs connected , at the bottom left | 20:06 |
| DanRabbit | oh | 20:07 |
| DanRabbit | mac_v: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30986417/volume-nm-icons.png | 20:07 |
| DanRabbit | both are sharp | 20:07 |
| mac_v | in which? karmic or jaunty? | 20:08 |
| mac_v | what theme? | 20:08 |
| mac_v | gtk | 20:08 |
| DanRabbit | skiki | 20:10 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: transparency for the inactive should be even lesser , especially for the dark themes | 20:10 |
| DanRabbit | mmkay | 20:11 |
| DanRabbit | I'm off to run errands :D | 20:11 |
| DanRabbit | let me know if you come up with something better | 20:11 |
| mac_v | nothing more than that :) , only thing i would adjust would be the transparency | 20:12 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: hmm... did you check the volume/nm icon from the ~/.icons folder or from /usr/share/ ? i think that makes a difference :( | 20:59 |
| mac_v | i'v now moved the same icons to the usr/share and i too dont see blurriness | 21:00 |
| dashua | mac_v, DanRabbit Can you change indicator applet as well in Humanity to the scale you did the volume and nm-applet icons? | 21:12 |
| dashua | Shades are much better, just can't see the connection animation | 21:12 |
| mac_v | dashua: yeah i think the i-a needs to be done | 21:13 |
| mac_v | dashua: which connection animation? | 21:13 |
| mac_v | the firefox like one? | 21:13 |
| dashua | Spinner | 21:13 |
| dashua | Yeah | 21:13 |
| dashua | A grey scale one would be cool like the other two you did. | 21:14 |
| dashua | http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/23217/screenshot_006_56N9y1.png | 21:15 |
| dashua | That looks much better | 21:15 |
| mac_v | hehe , i have an idea for that ;) but havent mentioned to DanRabbit yet, because he has already done the connection animation :) | 21:16 |
| dashua | Ah ok | 21:16 |
| dashua | Breathe should inherit this panel icons. They're awesome. | 21:17 |
| dashua | these* | 21:17 |
| dashua | mac_v, indicator-applet-sus broken for you? | 21:18 |
| dashua | I have no icon on any set. | 21:18 |
| mac_v | dashua: yup , no icon , known issue , already fixed upstream | 21:18 |
| dashua | Ah cool | 21:18 |
| mac_v | dashua: hehe mention the panels to cory ;p | 21:19 |
| dashua | I will. They just add a professional feel to Breathe. | 21:19 |
| dashua | Nice work | 21:19 |
| mac_v | dashua: thanks... actually all i did was edit the colors , and make an nm icon set to fit the theme , basically it was DanRabbit | 21:21 |
| mac_v | idea | 21:21 |
| dashua | Nice work to you both :) | 21:21 |
| mac_v | dashua: Cory would probably kill me , why i didnt do this for breathe ;p | 21:24 |
| dashua | Hehe. You better run and hide when I make the suggestion. I just have Breathe inherit Humanity instead of Human | 21:24 |
| mac_v | i'm using humanity inherits too ;) | 21:25 |
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