=== stevie is now known as heHATEme === heHATEme is now known as vorian [06:29] DanRabbit1: hmm... the wireless/battery panel icons end up blurry > http://imagebin.ca/view/RgUfsKq.html , but the volume is fine , i believe its because the icons dont exist in the 24px [07:15] Hey all. [07:26] mac_v: I'm working on it :D [07:26] I'm just trying to solve some issues with the monochrome status stuff, and then I'll scale [07:27] DanRabbit1: why does it have 5 signals? o.0 [07:27] shouldn it be 4? [07:27] Yea, but for the size and spacing and angle I wanted, I had to do 5 [07:27] do you think it's a really bad idea :p ? [07:28] DanRabbit1: hehe , yup , i'v already done one with correct scaling , i'm not sure what you are talking about [07:29] done one what? [07:29] DanRabbit1: oh long time ago , just a sec , let me find it... its a different style but can be done similar [07:29] Well, i wanted the bars to go up at a certain angle, and I wanted the bars to be a certain width, and I wanted the icon to have a certain width, and I couldn't satisfy that with 4 bars [07:30] DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-75.svg [07:30] but angle? i dont notice any angle , they seem straight [07:31] mine are a different width , than yours though [07:32] I mean the angle from the shortest bar to the tallest bar [07:32] DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-76.svg , just a quick edit to make it simialr to yours [07:33] I only see 1 bar :p [07:33] DanRabbit1: oh its white , change the background [07:33] o lol [07:34] DanRabbit1: whats your icon color? [07:34] # [07:34] It's evolving right now [07:34] I'm about to change it [07:34] but currently, 717171ff [07:35] DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-77.svg [07:36] Yea, not the width or angle I want :D [07:36] ;p [07:36] you want 2px? [07:37] yea [07:38] It has to be approximately 15x15 pixels [07:38] DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-78.svg [07:39] and less spacing [07:39] and it won't work [07:39] I promise [07:39] you can't have the width I want and the spacing I want and the total width I want [07:39] they conflict [07:39] yup , i'v got an idea [07:39] :p [07:43] DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-60.svg [07:43] oh, your smart as hell, aren't you ? [07:43] very rough work ;) [07:43] that's very nice [07:44] damn, your good [07:44] could you do them all? [07:44] hehe ;) [07:44] (because I'm lazy :D ) [07:44] DanRabbit1: no probs , its easy once you have the idea :) [07:44] cool [07:44] DanRabbit1: changes you want? [07:44] any* [07:45] or color wise? [07:45] make the color whatever you think would be best for the default human theme [07:45] don't worry about dark panels or anything like that [07:45] I'm doing a branch for that [07:47] DanRabbit1: using the same color as the rest is better , you were mentioning something earlier about changing the color? [07:47] Yea, I'm forking Humanity [07:47] one for light panels and one for dark panels [07:48] i was saying this > It's evolving right now [07:48] [12:04] I'm about to change it [07:48] [12:04] but currently, 717171ff [07:48] or was that about the fork? [07:48] Yea, because that color is somewhere in the middle [07:48] I tried to find a color that would look good for both [07:49] but David is unhappy with the results [07:49] very tough , to find middle ground , the easiest way is to add a background to the present , [07:50] DanRabbit1: that way no probs with either panel [07:50] If you want to give it a go, feel free [07:50] otherwise, try 4D4D4Dff [08:00] DanRabbit1: same color 717171ff but added a background http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-61.png [08:01] how's it look on white panels? [08:03] DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/inwhite.png [08:04] hmm [08:04] any way to get it a little brighter on the dark panel? [08:07] in white panels, the background doesnt show , [08:07] the shade could be lighter , just a sec [08:09] DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/black.png http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/newWhite.png [08:11] no too bad :) [08:13] Let's try those and see if that makes David happy :D [08:14] DanRabbit1: are humanity icons going to be karmic's icons? [08:14] DanRabbit1: which? do you think the color was wrong for with or for black? [08:14] I don't know [08:14] white* [08:15] mac_v: Ideally it'd be brighter on black and darker on white :D [08:15] but, I think you've come the closest we're going to get [08:15] it looks good [08:15] lamalex: I'm pretty sure Neil said that they were going to be default in UNR [08:15] sweet, congrats [08:15] hope they make it into ubu proper [08:15] but David said that Mark didn't like them enough to have them go in Ubuntu yet [08:16] would be a huge improvement [08:16] supposedly they'll be in the community themes package or whatever though [08:16] Mark also wants vertically centered notification bubbles [08:16] just sayin ;) [08:16] yea [08:16] lol [08:16] well [08:16] sometimes I think he needs to rethink how much he knows about UI design [08:16] no offense [08:17] "just sayin" [08:17] lamalex: i though he replied wanted to change it [08:17] but just testing for a few more days [08:17] what I read was that he didn't really want to change it and he wanted to leave it until people really started complaining [08:17] DanRabbit1: right ;) [08:17] not to be mean! not to be rude! [08:17] yah, not the same thing as wanting to change it at all [08:17] I love Ubuntu [08:17] but [08:18] some people just don't have every talent in the world. [08:18] hehe , dont worry there is so much hate for it he is bound to change it ;) [08:18] sometimes I think he needs to rethink how much he knows about UI design , well said ;) [08:19] haha, I don't know if I want that line quoted :D [08:19] lol , i hope irc log has some problem and keeps adding that to ayatana topic ;0 [08:20] oh god... [08:20] anyhow! [08:20] back to the icon [08:20] DanRabbit1: you want it the darker for white? or the current color i showed is fine? [08:21] if you can get it darker, that'd be awesome [08:21] I really don't know how you're doing it [08:22] hehe ;) i'm adding a back ground for each signal , it told you this earlier for some other icon [08:22] might have been the battery [08:22] either way, I suck at that [08:23] * DanRabbit1 doesn't like admitting his faults, but he does anyways... [08:24] oh yeah... it was for the battery [08:32] DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/new-white.png , http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/new-black.png [08:34] your old black one looked darker [08:35] I like the more contrast for the not-filled bar though [08:35] the white ones look like basically the same color [08:35] I meant to say the old black one was brighter :D [08:37] DanRabbit1: hehe ;) , so which is better? hard to tell but gotta choose ;p [08:38] the last one before [08:38] 2nd to latest [08:38] ok [08:48] DanRabbit1: just to confirm , you want the full set with this color > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Final-black.png , http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Final-white.png [08:49] yep, looking sexy [08:49] ok , :) [10:42] DanRabbit1: ping , i'v got the icons ready :) [11:32] DanRabbit1: just realized , there is something inherently wrong with nm applet and how it deals with icons! [11:50] hello what was the final decision taken on behaviour of notifications in full screen apps? [13:17] Hi, I just found out that the new notification bubbles in the middle of the screen are a design choice and not a bug [13:17] Anyone know the reasoning behind this move? === vorian is now known as buttercup [17:14] mac_v: ping [17:17] DanRabbit1: nm has stupid coding! its uses only a part of the 22px grid , if anything is bigger it does some crappy scaling readjustment [17:17] Yea, that's lame [17:17] that is why the icons are never clear! [17:18] I know that the battery and volume manager applet does some weird crappy scaling [17:18] i'v figured it out for nm [17:18] Is it something we can easily fix? [17:18] DanRabbit1: volume does no such scaling ,volume is perfect [17:19] I dunno, volume looks crappy for me :/ [17:19] DanRabbit1: yes we can workaround it... [17:19] nm [17:19] I mean, do you think it'd be easy to push a fix to the applet upstream [17:21] DanRabbit1: i'm not sure about that , we need to ask asac [17:21] see the volume has no blurryness > http://imagebin.ca/view/RgUfsKq.html [17:22] try a horizontal panel really quick [17:22] ah no... it rearranges the icons :( [17:22] ok wait [17:24] DanRabbit1: works fine with horizontal top panel [17:24] here let me take a screen of mine [17:26] http://elementary-project.com/abuse/Screenshot-1.png [17:26] sharp nm, blurry volume [17:26] DanRabbit1: http://imagebin.ca/view/yx3p6R.html [17:27] DanRabbit1: lol how did you get the nm sharp? [17:27] I did nothing :) [17:27] The only thing different here is the color [17:27] weird , it works the opposite for me! [17:27] btw, can I have your new nm icons? [17:27] nm blurry , volume sharp [17:30] just a sec [17:34] damn! everything is so slow! , give me a min [17:35] DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm.tar [17:36] DanRabbit1: got it, screenshot ? stupid thing doesnt show up properly for me :( [17:36] wait, what? [17:38] DanRabbit1: i wonder the blurring is a notification area bug , for me the one on the left is blurry and so is for you , i dont think it has to do with the nm/volumeapplet [17:38] it's possible that it's about placement [17:40] DanRabbit1: to test do a $pulseaudio -k [17:40] DanRabbit1: wait [17:41] DanRabbit1: first test the icon theme with the nm icons , see how it works , take a screenshot , then $pulseaudio -k [17:43] okay [17:43] give me a second [17:44] okay, it looks good [17:44] I've got a clear nm-applet still [17:45] let me see :) [17:46] hmm [17:46] pulseaudio -k did nothing for me [17:46] didnt the audio icon switch? [17:46] no [17:47] then do $killall pulseaudio [17:47] are you on jaunty or karmic? [17:47] jaunty [17:47] hehe! [17:47] last time I tried Karmic it 'sploded my computer [17:48] thats the old volume applet in jaunty. [17:48] http://elementary-project.com/abuse/Screenshot.png [17:48] see pretty :D [17:48] do you dual boot? [17:48] OSX and Jaunty [17:48] oho, that looks nice. [17:49] damn it! i cant use my own icon! [17:50] mac_v: you've pretty much succeeded at making it look sexy on dark and light panels [17:50] :) [17:50] hmm , DanRabbit1 try to remove the the volume applet or move ti to the left [17:51] it* [17:51] I did, it doesn't change [17:51] I moved it all over the place :) [17:51] DanRabbit1: oh then there the applet bug is solved in karmic ;) [17:51] volume * [17:52] hah [17:52] Maybe, I'll try to upgrade again [17:52] Do you know offhand if they support Intel GMA now? [17:52] DanRabbit1: solved because that applet has been deprecated and removed ;p [17:52] lol [17:53] nope don know about GMA [17:53] hehe [17:53] mac_v: are you Robert Dryer? [17:53] who's he ? o.0 [17:53] okay nvm [17:54] lol [17:54] I want to put your name in special thanks in the AUTHORS file [17:55] you knwo where i'm from does that name sound even remotely similar ;p [17:55] haha, you never know. [17:56] PM -> [17:56] :D [17:57] DanRabbit1: keep the screenshot , might be handly when we report the bug [17:58] DanRabbit1: silly question , but just to check , did you unlock the notification area before you moved the volume applet? [17:58] yes sir :D [17:58] I tried locked and unlocked [17:59] :(\ [18:00] * mac_v adds another bug in his todo list [18:01] haha [19:12] mac_v: any ideas for a wired icon? [19:13] * mac_v checks the present one [19:18] DanRabbit: what have you got so far? [19:19] nothing :D [19:19] I have some errands to run though, so I'm out for a while :D [19:19] check out BZR, I changed the inactive color a little so It'd be more clear on a dark panel. [19:20] also, I applied the color changes to the battery and volume and messaging applets [19:31] nice ;) , works both ways [19:31] DanRabbit: booo > "I don't think these icons are confusing taken in context. " ;p [19:35] haha [19:35] you think the sidebar icons are bad? [19:37] mac_v: ^ [19:37] DanRabbit: i think they *will* confuse users :( , thats why with breathe we change the 16px [19:37] previously we did it similar [19:37] then we changed it [19:38] DanRabbit: the icons should represent themselves and not supposed to be taken from the context of the menu they are in [19:38] I've never heard anyone complain about how finder does it :D [19:39] DanRabbit: you and david are tooo influenced by OSX [19:39] ;p [19:39] haha [19:40] it's a very pretty operating system [19:40] we both dual boot :D [19:40] OSX , does do several things right , but not all [19:40] I agree [19:41] otherwise, I wouldn't be here [19:41] :p [19:41] as i said the icons should be able to convey the meaning by itself and for users who are familiar with only Windows , it would be confusing [19:42] oh god don't get me started on windows [19:42] hehe... ok pls dont get me started too [19:42] Ubuntu, Mac OS, computing in general is going to be difficult for a Windows user [19:43] I don't gauge things by how a Windows user would see it [19:43] otherwise you'd end up all ass-backwards [19:43] i dont think the windows to ubuntu migration is very difficult , i'v seen several take to it very quickly [19:43] I work with the hope that one day my mom will use a computer [19:48] mac_v: users coming from windows find EVERYTHING confusing [19:48] especially good design since they're not used to it [19:48] * SiDi hides [19:48] SiDi: lol [19:52] * mac_v thinks Penn&Teller should make a show about Windows [19:54] hello everyone [19:59] * SiDi waves at mrooney [20:04] DanRabbit: how about using the icon firefox , thunderird , evolution use for connect and disconnect ? [20:04] for wired^ [20:05] what icon is that? [20:06] * DanRabbit doesn't use firefox, thunderbird, or evolution [20:06] just open evolution , its the one of 2 plugs connected , at the bottom left [20:07] oh [20:07] mac_v: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30986417/volume-nm-icons.png [20:07] both are sharp [20:08] in which? karmic or jaunty? [20:08] what theme? [20:08] gtk [20:10] skiki [20:10] DanRabbit: transparency for the inactive should be even lesser , especially for the dark themes [20:11] mmkay [20:11] I'm off to run errands :D [20:11] let me know if you come up with something better [20:12] nothing more than that :) , only thing i would adjust would be the transparency [20:59] DanRabbit: hmm... did you check the volume/nm icon from the ~/.icons folder or from /usr/share/ ? i think that makes a difference :( [21:00] i'v now moved the same icons to the usr/share and i too dont see blurriness [21:12] mac_v, DanRabbit Can you change indicator applet as well in Humanity to the scale you did the volume and nm-applet icons? [21:12] Shades are much better, just can't see the connection animation [21:13] dashua: yeah i think the i-a needs to be done [21:13] dashua: which connection animation? [21:13] the firefox like one? [21:13] Spinner [21:13] Yeah [21:14] A grey scale one would be cool like the other two you did. [21:15] http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/23217/screenshot_006_56N9y1.png [21:15] That looks much better [21:16] hehe , i have an idea for that ;) but havent mentioned to DanRabbit yet, because he has already done the connection animation :) [21:16] Ah ok [21:17] Breathe should inherit this panel icons. They're awesome. [21:17] these* [21:18] mac_v, indicator-applet-sus broken for you? [21:18] I have no icon on any set. [21:18] dashua: yup , no icon , known issue , already fixed upstream [21:18] Ah cool [21:19] dashua: hehe mention the panels to cory ;p [21:19] I will. They just add a professional feel to Breathe. [21:19] Nice work [21:21] dashua: thanks... actually all i did was edit the colors , and make an nm icon set to fit the theme , basically it was DanRabbit [21:21] idea [21:21] Nice work to you both :) [21:24] dashua: Cory would probably kill me , why i didnt do this for breathe ;p [21:24] Hehe. You better run and hide when I make the suggestion. I just have Breathe inherit Humanity instead of Human [21:25] i'm using humanity inherits too ;)