[06:29] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: hmm... the wireless/battery panel icons end up blurry > http://imagebin.ca/view/RgUfsKq.html , but the volume is fine , i believe its because the icons dont exist in the 24px 
[07:15] <bratsche> Hey all.
[07:26] <DanRabbit1> mac_v: I'm working on it :D
[07:26] <DanRabbit1> I'm just trying to solve some issues with the monochrome status stuff, and then I'll scale
[07:27] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: why does it have 5 signals? o.0
[07:27] <mac_v> shouldn it be 4?
[07:27] <DanRabbit1> Yea, but for the size and spacing and angle I wanted, I had to do 5
[07:27] <DanRabbit1> do you think it's a really bad idea :p ?
[07:28] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: hehe , yup , i'v already done one with correct scaling  , i'm not sure what you are talking about 
[07:29] <DanRabbit1> done one what?
[07:29] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: oh long time ago , just a sec , let me find it... its a different style but can be done similar
[07:29] <DanRabbit1> Well, i wanted the bars to go up at a certain angle, and I wanted the bars to be a certain width, and I wanted the icon to have a certain width, and I couldn't satisfy that with 4 bars
[07:30] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-75.svg
[07:30] <mac_v> but angle? i dont notice any angle , they seem straight 
[07:31] <mac_v> mine are a different width , than yours though
[07:32] <DanRabbit1> I mean the angle from the shortest bar to the tallest bar
[07:32] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-76.svg , just a quick edit to make it simialr to yours
[07:33] <DanRabbit1> I only see 1 bar :p
[07:33] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: oh its white , change the background
[07:33] <DanRabbit1> o lol
[07:34] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: whats your icon color?
[07:34] <mac_v> #
[07:34] <DanRabbit1> It's evolving right now
[07:34] <DanRabbit1> I'm about to change it
[07:34] <DanRabbit1> but currently, 717171ff
[07:35] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-77.svg
[07:36] <DanRabbit1> Yea, not the width or angle I want :D
[07:36] <mac_v> ;p
[07:36] <mac_v> you want 2px?
[07:37] <DanRabbit1> yea
[07:38] <DanRabbit1> It has to be approximately 15x15 pixels
[07:38] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-78.svg
[07:39] <DanRabbit1> and less spacing
[07:39] <DanRabbit1> and it won't work
[07:39] <DanRabbit1> I promise
[07:39] <DanRabbit1> you can't have the width I want and the spacing I want and the total width I want
[07:39] <DanRabbit1> they conflict
[07:39] <mac_v> yup , i'v got an idea
[07:39] <DanRabbit1> :p
[07:43] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-60.svg
[07:43] <DanRabbit1> oh, your smart as hell, aren't you ?
[07:43] <mac_v> very rough work ;)
[07:43] <DanRabbit1> that's very nice
[07:44] <DanRabbit1> damn, your good
[07:44] <DanRabbit1> could you do them all?
[07:44] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[07:44] <DanRabbit1> (because I'm lazy :D )
[07:44] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: no probs  , its easy once you have the idea :)
[07:44] <DanRabbit1> cool
[07:44] <mac_v> DanRabbit1:  changes you want?
[07:44] <mac_v> any*
[07:45] <mac_v> or color wise?
[07:45] <DanRabbit1> make the color whatever you think would be best for the default human theme
[07:45] <DanRabbit1> don't worry about dark panels or anything like that
[07:45] <DanRabbit1> I'm doing a branch for that
[07:47] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: using the same color as the rest is better , you were mentioning something earlier about changing the color?
[07:47] <DanRabbit1> Yea, I'm forking Humanity
[07:47] <DanRabbit1> one for light panels and one for dark panels
[07:48] <mac_v> i was saying this > <DanRabbit1> It's evolving right now
[07:48] <mac_v> [12:04] <DanRabbit1> I'm about to change it
[07:48] <mac_v> [12:04] <DanRabbit1> but currently, 717171ff
[07:48] <mac_v> or was that about the fork?
[07:48] <DanRabbit1> Yea, because that color is somewhere in the middle
[07:48] <DanRabbit1> I tried to find a color that would look good for both
[07:49] <DanRabbit1> but David is unhappy with the results
[07:49] <mac_v> very tough , to find middle ground  , the easiest way is to add a background to the present ,
[07:50] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: that way no probs with either panel
[07:50] <DanRabbit1> If you want to give it a go, feel free
[07:50] <DanRabbit1> otherwise, try 4D4D4Dff
[08:00] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: same color 717171ff but added a background http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-61.png
[08:01] <DanRabbit1> how's it look on white panels?
[08:03] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/inwhite.png
[08:04] <DanRabbit1> hmm
[08:04] <DanRabbit1> any way to get it a little brighter on the dark panel?
[08:07] <mac_v> in white panels, the background doesnt show , 
[08:07] <mac_v> the shade could be lighter  , just a sec
[08:09] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/black.png http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/newWhite.png
[08:11] <DanRabbit1> no too bad :)
[08:13] <DanRabbit1> Let's try those and see if that makes David happy :D
[08:14] <lamalex> DanRabbit1: are humanity icons going to be karmic's icons?
[08:14] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: which? do you think the color was wrong for with or for black?
[08:14] <DanRabbit1> I don't know
[08:14] <mac_v> white*
[08:15] <DanRabbit1> mac_v: Ideally it'd be brighter on black and darker on white :D
[08:15] <DanRabbit1> but, I think you've come the closest we're going to get
[08:15] <DanRabbit1> it looks good
[08:15] <DanRabbit1> lamalex: I'm pretty sure Neil said that they were going to be default in UNR
[08:15] <lamalex> sweet, congrats
[08:15] <lamalex> hope they make it into ubu proper
[08:15] <DanRabbit1> but David said that Mark didn't like them enough to have them go in Ubuntu yet
[08:16] <lamalex> would be a huge improvement
[08:16] <DanRabbit1> supposedly they'll be in the community themes package or whatever though
[08:16] <lamalex> Mark also wants vertically centered notification bubbles
[08:16] <lamalex> just sayin ;)
[08:16] <DanRabbit1> yea
[08:16] <DanRabbit1> lol
[08:16] <DanRabbit1> well
[08:16] <DanRabbit1> sometimes I think he needs to rethink how much he knows about UI design
[08:16] <DanRabbit1> no offense
[08:17] <lamalex> "just sayin"
[08:17] <mac_v> lamalex: i though he replied wanted to change it
[08:17] <mac_v> but just testing for a few more days
[08:17] <DanRabbit1> what I read was that he didn't really want to change it and he wanted to leave it until people really started complaining
[08:17] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: right ;)
[08:17] <DanRabbit1> not to be mean! not to be rude!
[08:17] <lamalex> yah, not the same thing as wanting to change it at all
[08:17] <DanRabbit1> I love Ubuntu
[08:17] <DanRabbit1> but
[08:18] <DanRabbit1> some people just don't have every talent in the world.
[08:18] <mac_v> hehe , dont worry there is so much hate for it he is bound to change it ;)
[08:18] <mac_v>  <DanRabbit1> sometimes I think he needs to rethink how much he knows about UI design , well said ;)
[08:19] <DanRabbit1> haha, I don't know if I want that line quoted :D
[08:19] <mac_v> lol , i hope irc log has some problem and keeps adding that to ayatana topic ;0
[08:20] <DanRabbit1> oh god...
[08:20] <DanRabbit1> anyhow!
[08:20] <mac_v> back to the icon
[08:20] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: you want it the darker for white? or the current color i showed is fine?
[08:21] <DanRabbit1> if you can get it darker, that'd be awesome
[08:21] <DanRabbit1> I really don't know how you're doing it
[08:22] <mac_v> hehe ;) i'm adding a back ground for each signal  , it told you this earlier for some other icon
[08:22] <DanRabbit1> might have been the battery
[08:22] <DanRabbit1> either way, I suck at that
[08:23]  * DanRabbit1 doesn't like admitting his faults, but he does anyways...
[08:24] <mac_v> oh yeah... it was for the battery 
[08:32] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/new-white.png , http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/new-black.png
[08:34] <DanRabbit1> your old black one looked darker
[08:35] <DanRabbit1> I like the more contrast for the not-filled bar though
[08:35] <DanRabbit1> the white ones look like basically the same color
[08:35] <DanRabbit1> I meant to say the old black one was brighter :D
[08:37] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: hehe ;) , so which is better? hard to tell but gotta choose ;p
[08:38] <DanRabbit1> the last one before
[08:38] <DanRabbit1> 2nd to latest
[08:38] <mac_v> ok
[08:48] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: just to confirm , you want the full set with this color > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Final-black.png , http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Final-white.png
[08:49] <DanRabbit1> yep, looking sexy
[08:49] <mac_v> ok , :) 
[10:42] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: ping , i'v got the icons ready :)
[11:32] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: just realized ,  there is something inherently wrong with nm applet and how it deals with icons!
[11:50] <tgpraveen1> hello what was the final decision taken on behaviour of notifications in full screen apps?
[13:17] <nocturn> Hi, I just found out that the new notification bubbles in the middle of the screen are a design choice and not a bug
[13:17] <nocturn> Anyone know the reasoning behind this move?
[17:14] <DanRabbit1> mac_v: ping
[17:17] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: nm has stupid coding! its uses only a part of the 22px grid , if anything is bigger it does some crappy scaling readjustment
[17:17] <DanRabbit1> Yea, that's lame
[17:17] <mac_v> that is why the icons are never clear!
[17:18] <DanRabbit1> I know that the battery and volume manager applet does some weird crappy scaling
[17:18] <mac_v> i'v figured it out for nm
[17:18] <DanRabbit1> Is it something we can easily fix?
[17:18] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: volume does no such scaling ,volume is perfect
[17:19] <DanRabbit1> I dunno, volume looks crappy for me :/
[17:19] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: yes we can workaround it...
[17:19] <mac_v> nm
[17:19] <DanRabbit1> I mean, do you think it'd be easy to push a fix to the applet upstream
[17:21] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: i'm not sure about that , we need to ask asac
[17:21] <mac_v> see the volume has no blurryness > http://imagebin.ca/view/RgUfsKq.html
[17:22] <DanRabbit1> try a horizontal panel really quick
[17:22] <mac_v> ah no... it rearranges the icons :(
[17:22] <mac_v> ok wait
[17:24] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: works fine with horizontal top panel
[17:24] <DanRabbit1> here let me take a screen of mine
[17:26] <DanRabbit1> http://elementary-project.com/abuse/Screenshot-1.png
[17:26] <DanRabbit1> sharp nm, blurry volume
[17:26] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://imagebin.ca/view/yx3p6R.html
[17:27] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: lol how did you get the nm sharp?
[17:27] <DanRabbit1> I did nothing :)
[17:27] <DanRabbit1> The only thing different here is the color
[17:27] <mac_v> weird , it works the opposite for me!
[17:27] <DanRabbit1> btw, can I have your new nm icons?
[17:27] <mac_v> nm blurry , volume sharp
[17:30] <mac_v> just a sec 
[17:34] <mac_v> damn! everything is so slow! , give me a min
[17:35] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm.tar
[17:36] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: got it, screenshot ? stupid thing doesnt show up properly for me :(
[17:36] <DanRabbit1> wait, what?
[17:38] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: i wonder the blurring is a notification area bug , for me the one on the left is blurry and so is for you , i dont think it has to do with the nm/volumeapplet
[17:38] <DanRabbit1> it's possible that it's about placement
[17:40] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: to test do a $pulseaudio -k
[17:40] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: wait
[17:41] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: first test the icon theme with the nm icons , see how it works , take a screenshot , then $pulseaudio -k
[17:43] <DanRabbit1> okay
[17:43] <DanRabbit1> give me a second
[17:44] <DanRabbit1> okay, it looks good
[17:44] <DanRabbit1> I've got a clear nm-applet still
[17:45] <mac_v> let me see :) 
[17:46] <DanRabbit1> hmm
[17:46] <DanRabbit1> pulseaudio -k did nothing for me
[17:46] <mac_v> didnt the audio icon switch?
[17:46] <DanRabbit1> no
[17:47] <mac_v> then do $killall pulseaudio
[17:47] <mac_v> are you on jaunty or karmic?
[17:47] <DanRabbit1> jaunty
[17:47] <mac_v> hehe! 
[17:47] <DanRabbit1> last time I tried Karmic it 'sploded my computer
[17:48] <mac_v> thats the old volume applet in jaunty.
[17:48] <DanRabbit1> http://elementary-project.com/abuse/Screenshot.png
[17:48] <DanRabbit1> see pretty :D
[17:48] <mac_v> do you dual boot?
[17:48] <DanRabbit1> OSX and Jaunty
[17:48] <hyperair> oho, that looks nice.
[17:49] <mac_v> damn it! i cant use my own icon!
[17:50] <DanRabbit1> mac_v: you've pretty much succeeded at making it look sexy on dark and light panels
[17:50] <mac_v> :)
[17:50] <mac_v> hmm , DanRabbit1  try to remove the the volume applet or move ti to the left
[17:51] <mac_v> it*
[17:51] <DanRabbit1> I did, it doesn't change
[17:51] <DanRabbit1> I moved it all over the place :)
[17:51] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: oh then there the applet bug is solved in karmic ;)
[17:51] <mac_v> volume *
[17:52] <DanRabbit1> hah
[17:52] <DanRabbit1> Maybe, I'll try to upgrade again
[17:52] <DanRabbit1> Do you know offhand if they support Intel GMA now?
[17:52] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: solved because that applet has been deprecated and removed ;p
[17:52] <DanRabbit1> lol
[17:53] <mac_v> nope don know about GMA
[17:53] <DanRabbit1> hehe
[17:53] <DanRabbit1> mac_v: are you Robert Dryer?
[17:53] <mac_v> who's he ? o.0
[17:53] <DanRabbit1> okay nvm
[17:54] <DanRabbit1> lol
[17:54] <DanRabbit1> I want to put your name in special thanks in the AUTHORS file
[17:55] <mac_v> you knwo where i'm from does that name sound even remotely similar ;p
[17:55] <DanRabbit1> haha, you never know.
[17:56] <mac_v> PM ->
[17:56] <DanRabbit1> :D
[17:57] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: keep the screenshot , might be handly when we report the bug
[17:58] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: silly question , but just to check , did you unlock the notification area before you moved the volume applet?
[17:58] <DanRabbit1> yes sir :D
[17:58] <DanRabbit1> I tried locked and unlocked
[17:59] <mac_v> :(\
[18:00]  * mac_v adds another bug in his todo list
[18:01] <DanRabbit1> haha
[19:12] <DanRabbit> mac_v: any ideas for a wired icon?
[19:13]  * mac_v checks the present one
[19:18] <mac_v> DanRabbit: what have you got so far?
[19:19] <DanRabbit> nothing :D
[19:19] <DanRabbit> I have some errands to run though, so I'm out for a while :D
[19:19] <DanRabbit> check out BZR, I changed the inactive color a little so It'd be more clear on a dark panel.
[19:20] <DanRabbit> also, I applied the color changes to the battery and volume and messaging applets
[19:31] <mac_v> nice ;) , works both ways 
[19:31] <mac_v> DanRabbit: booo > "I don't think these icons are confusing taken in context. " ;p
[19:35] <DanRabbit> haha
[19:35] <DanRabbit> you think the sidebar icons are bad?
[19:37] <DanRabbit> mac_v: ^
[19:37] <mac_v> DanRabbit: i think they *will* confuse users :( , thats why with breathe we change the 16px
[19:37] <mac_v> previously we did it similar
[19:37] <mac_v> then we changed it
[19:38] <mac_v> DanRabbit: the icons should represent themselves and not supposed to be taken from the context of the menu they are in 
[19:38] <DanRabbit> I've never heard anyone complain about how finder does it :D
[19:39] <mac_v> DanRabbit: you and david are tooo influenced by OSX
[19:39] <mac_v> ;p
[19:39] <DanRabbit> haha
[19:40] <DanRabbit> it's a very pretty operating system
[19:40] <DanRabbit> we both dual boot :D
[19:40] <mac_v> OSX , does do several things right , but not all 
[19:40] <DanRabbit> I agree
[19:41] <DanRabbit> otherwise, I wouldn't be here
[19:41] <DanRabbit> :p
[19:41] <mac_v> as i said the icons should be able to convey the meaning by itself and for users who are familiar with only Windows , it would be confusing
[19:42] <DanRabbit> oh god don't get me started on windows
[19:42] <mac_v> hehe... ok pls dont get me started too
[19:42] <DanRabbit> Ubuntu, Mac OS, computing in general is going to be difficult for a Windows user
[19:43] <DanRabbit> I don't gauge things by how a Windows user would see it
[19:43] <DanRabbit> otherwise you'd end up all ass-backwards
[19:43] <mac_v> i dont think the windows to ubuntu migration is very difficult , i'v seen several take to it very quickly
[19:43] <DanRabbit> I work with the hope that one day my mom will use a computer
[19:48] <SiDi> mac_v: users coming from windows find EVERYTHING confusing
[19:48] <SiDi> especially good design since they're not used to it
[19:48]  * SiDi hides
[19:48] <mac_v> SiDi: lol 
[19:52]  * mac_v  thinks Penn&Teller should make a show about Windows
[19:54] <mrooney> hello everyone
[19:59]  * SiDi waves at mrooney 
[20:04] <mac_v> DanRabbit: how about using the icon firefox , thunderird , evolution use for connect and disconnect ?
[20:04] <mac_v> for wired^
[20:05] <DanRabbit> what icon is that?
[20:06]  * DanRabbit doesn't use firefox, thunderbird, or evolution
[20:06] <mac_v> just open evolution , its the one of 2 plugs connected , at the bottom left
[20:07] <DanRabbit> oh
[20:07] <DanRabbit> mac_v: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30986417/volume-nm-icons.png
[20:07] <DanRabbit> both are sharp
[20:08] <mac_v> in which? karmic or jaunty?
[20:08] <mac_v> what theme?
[20:08] <mac_v> gtk
[20:10] <DanRabbit> skiki
[20:10] <mac_v> DanRabbit: transparency for the inactive should be even lesser , especially for the dark themes
[20:11] <DanRabbit> mmkay
[20:11] <DanRabbit> I'm off to run errands :D
[20:11] <DanRabbit> let me know if you come up with something better
[20:12] <mac_v> nothing more than that :) , only thing i would adjust would be the transparency
[20:59] <mac_v> DanRabbit: hmm... did you check the volume/nm icon from the ~/.icons folder or from /usr/share/ ? i think that makes a difference :(
[21:00] <mac_v> i'v now moved the same icons to the usr/share and i too dont see blurriness
[21:12] <dashua> mac_v, DanRabbit Can you change indicator applet as well in Humanity to the scale you did the volume and nm-applet icons?
[21:12] <dashua> Shades are much better, just can't see the connection animation
[21:13] <mac_v> dashua: yeah i think the i-a needs to be done
[21:13] <mac_v> dashua: which connection animation?
[21:13] <mac_v> the firefox like one?
[21:13] <dashua> Spinner
[21:13] <dashua> Yeah
[21:14] <dashua> A grey scale one would be cool like the other two you did.
[21:15] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/23217/screenshot_006_56N9y1.png
[21:15] <dashua> That looks much better
[21:16] <mac_v> hehe , i have an idea for that ;) but havent mentioned to DanRabbit yet, because he has already done the connection animation :)
[21:16] <dashua> Ah ok
[21:17] <dashua> Breathe should inherit this panel icons.  They're awesome.
[21:17] <dashua> these*
[21:18] <dashua> mac_v, indicator-applet-sus broken for you?
[21:18] <dashua> I have no icon on any set.
[21:18] <mac_v> dashua: yup , no icon , known issue , already fixed upstream 
[21:18] <dashua> Ah cool
[21:19] <mac_v> dashua: hehe mention the panels to cory ;p
[21:19] <dashua> I will.  They just add a professional feel to Breathe.  
[21:19] <dashua> Nice work
[21:21] <mac_v> dashua: thanks... actually all i did was edit the colors , and make an nm icon set to fit the theme , basically it was DanRabbit 
[21:21] <mac_v> idea
[21:21] <dashua> Nice work to you both :)
[21:24] <mac_v> dashua: Cory would probably kill me , why i didnt do this for breathe ;p
[21:24] <dashua> Hehe.  You better run and hide when I make the suggestion.  I just have Breathe inherit Humanity instead of Human
[21:25] <mac_v> i'm using humanity inherits too ;)