[00:00] <penguin42> connex: I wouldn't be surprised if you needed to bring up a bunch of other stuff first, dbus at a guess and maybe all the stuff that handles sessions
[00:00] <natewiebe13> Neonexus: no kidding.. they only gave us a new splash that doesnt even work right
[00:00] <Neonexus> some of the examples on utube was amazing
[00:01] <natewiebe13> real or mockups?
[00:01] <Neonexus> mockups
[00:02] <Neonexus> nate u know anything about firestarter?
[00:03] <natewiebe13> nope
[00:03] <connex> dbus is running.
[00:03] <natewiebe13> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jkocGPBqhc <--- how does his splash work properly?
[00:05] <simba_> my splash do that to
[00:05] <Neonexus> Its still pretty lame!
[00:05] <natewiebe13> really? its supposed to be bugged
[00:05] <simba_> lol....plenty of other buggs
[00:05] <natewiebe13> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1mJlc6yxvQ
[00:05] <natewiebe13> like that
[00:06] <natewiebe13> thats how mine looks at least
[00:07] <natewiebe13> simba_: thats what is is supposed to look like ^
[00:08] <natewiebe13> am i the only one with the throbber moving vertically instead of horizontally?
[00:08] <Neonexus> mine does that too
[00:08] <natewiebe13> okay
[00:08] <natewiebe13> good.. im not the only one
[00:09] <penguin42> I get that as well - vertical
[00:09] <natewiebe13> simba_: yours moves horizontally and not vertically?
[00:09] <penguin42> it looks erm odd
[00:09] <natewiebe13> yeah.. and in the first video.. that guy's works
[00:10] <natewiebe13> anyone know how?
[00:11]  * penguin42 guesses it's some combination of graphics driver and phase of the moon
[00:13] <natewiebe13> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/420217
[00:13] <natewiebe13> looks like xsplash-throbber.png was made wrong
[00:14] <natewiebe13> or you need to change the amount of frames and recompile.. that probably what the other guy did
[00:14] <natewiebe13> i'll try it tomorrow and release a .deb for a temporary fix
[00:14]  * penguin42 is left wondering why it need pre-rendering
[00:18] <Neonexus> has anyone elses firestarter stopped logging firewall events?
[00:20] <natewiebe13> penguin42: just got the source.. the throbber has 51 frames.. and the xsplash config calls for 50 frames.. thats why its glitching
[00:20] <natewiebe13> im at home and have no karmic, otherwise id recompile it right now
[00:21] <penguin42> ah, but still, I don't quite understand why it doesn't just draw the throbber there and then rather than pull it in from pics
[00:21] <natewiebe13> my guess is its using transparency and a gaussian blur.. most video cards cant render it that fast
[00:22] <genii> Is there any GRUB load option for vga=### which would do 1920x1080  ?
[00:22] <ali1234> genii: possibly with KMS
[00:22] <penguin42> natewiebe13: It's only tiny
[00:22] <natewiebe13> thats the best way to have it look good and still be smooth on onboard video and old cards
[00:22] <natewiebe13> still
[00:22] <penguin42> genii: I think the vga= only does stuff your video bios knows
[00:22] <natewiebe13> genii: there is an option for that
[00:22] <natewiebe13> i'll find it
[00:23] <Neonexus> anyone having issues with GRUB2?
[00:23] <genii> Cool, thanks
[00:23] <Neonexus> I keep getting a failed to boot because of device ID something or other
[00:23] <Neonexus> have to delete the line search ......
[00:28] <natewiebe13> genii: i cant remember, but there was a file and all it had in it was x=1440 y=900
[00:29] <natewiebe13> and it was for grub
[00:29] <natewiebe13> genii: if i was on my karmic computer at work i could find it
[00:30] <natewiebe13> im not going to get on it until tomorrow
[00:30] <genii> No worries
[00:30] <maccam94> metacity keeps crashing on me
[00:30] <maccam94> error in pulse/context.c
[00:31] <natewiebe13> genii: i can let you know tomorrow
[00:31] <maccam94> is that a known problem?
[00:32] <genii> maccam94: Not sure. Couldn't find it on the Karmic known issues list. But for me, the splash screen is like a teensy thing in the middle
[00:33] <genii> natewiebe13: I'd appreciate it and I'll be here
[00:33] <maccam94> genii: i'm talking about the metacity crash
[00:33] <genii> maccam94: Ah... no idea
[01:04] <billybigrigger> has anyone here figured out how to change the torrent application in chromium?
[01:04]  * billybigrigger hasn't
[01:04] <billybigrigger> and it's bugging me
[01:17] <krushia> is it possible to make the kde 4.3 "report bug" feature work as intended in karamic, instead of using the apport thingy?
[01:31] <Pretto> why my rule that worked on jaunty does not work on karmic
[01:32] <Pretto> what changed in udev?
[01:33] <dtchen> without knowing what the rule is...
[01:35] <Pretto> dtchen http://paste.ubuntu.com/261228/
[01:36] <Pretto> dtchen it is md300 modem that works like a storage device too, so ubuntu only recognizes it like usb storage divice
[01:37] <Pretto> dtchen i have used that rule since intrepid, but now it doesnt work on karmic
[01:38] <dtchen> SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0fce", ATTRS{idProduct}=="d0cf", PROGRAM="/bin/sh -c 'echo 3 > /sys/%p/device/bConfigurationValue'"
[01:39] <Pretto> dtchen i will try, thank you
[01:41] <mpontillo> x1250: I filed bug 420578 regarding the pulseaudio problem we were talking about last night. you said this happened to you too - so please jump into the discussion if you have anything to add
[01:42] <dtchen> mpontillo: it's probably a codec-specific bug, but you'll need to move PA out of the equation to test
[01:43] <dtchen> i.e., verify that ALSA is fine without it and that you need to tweak the profiles for PA
[01:43] <mpontillo> dtchen: I have - when I take pulseaudio out of the picture, I can adjust the volume. as soon as I turn it back on, it's locked in place at 100%
[01:43] <dtchen> interesting, i don't have that symptom
[01:44] <mpontillo> right, I saw your comments. I am using a system upgraded from Jaunty. maybe I should try a USB key at some point to see if it happens on a fresh install
[01:44] <bjsnider> yes but you're using a different sound card i'd bet
[01:45] <dtchen> mpontillo: can you try killall pulseaudio;mv ~/.pulse ~/.pulse.bak
[01:46] <mpontillo> dtchen: oh, I already tried that. I was more worried about the files in /etc. though they should be fine since I never modified them under Jaunty(--)
[01:49] <mpontillo> (in fact, I followed the directions in bug 410446 and removed ~/.pulse_cookie as well)
[01:50] <dtchen> mpontillo: ok, so you probably want to look at /usr/share/pulseaudio/alsa-mixer/paths/analog-output*
[01:50] <itswhatev> something weird is afoot.  my intel 965gm is freezing like a mf.  it was fine, and then i had to do a re-install with alpha3 cd (didn't format), now it's unstable.  seems odd.
[01:51] <DanaG> oh yeah, this reminds me... I still need to report my issues with the USB sound card.
[01:52] <DanaG> And I still have that udev "device does not exist" issue.
[01:53] <dtchen> it's known
[01:53] <DanaG> The udev one?  Cool.
[01:53] <dtchen> if you can get pulseaudio -vvvv attached, that would help
[01:54] <mpontillo> dtchen: thanks; I'm checking it out but I'm not really sure what I'm looking at. it looks like a default config. I don't see anything in there that should obviously cause my problem
[01:54] <DanaG> Is there an existing report to attach it to?
[01:55] <dtchen> mpontillo: IF it turns out not to be a codec (driver) issue, you may try changing the volume = merge
[01:56] <mpontillo> dtchen: the pulseaudio -vvvv output is a bit interesting. has some clues on where to look in the code, potentially. I'll attach it.
[01:57] <DanaG> ugh, have to reboot -- I got an oops.
[01:58] <Pretto> dtchen no success?
[01:58] <Pretto> :(
[01:58] <Pretto> dtchen i got the same result
[02:00] <dtchen> Pretto: is /sys/%p/device/bConfigurationValue valid?
[02:00] <dtchen> (assuming %p is substituted appropriately)
[02:00] <Pretto> dtchen it was since intrepid
[02:01] <HazRPG1> hey guys
[02:01] <dtchen> can you try with udevadm trigger, then?
[02:01] <Pretto> dtchen to be honest i dont know the value of that, but worked on intrepid and jaunty
[02:02] <dtchen> i'll be back later
[02:02] <Pretto> anyone else would help?
[02:02] <HazRPG1> has anyone else noticed that karmic (with all current updates) doesn't shutdown or restart properly anymore?
[02:03] <HazRPG1> it just freezes with a    _    blinking
[02:03] <HazRPG1> (and kinda like a 4-way split screen thing going on too, cos there's four of the same things, but as in their in their own windows)
[02:04] <bjsnider> is there a ppa for this new skype release?
[02:04] <bjsnider> if not maybe i'll throw it into mine
[02:06] <mpontillo> HazRPG1: yeah I have the same issue. if I hit control-alt-F8 while it's happening, I can see that it's waiting for all processes to terminate...
[02:11] <DanaG> okay, I got a vvvv log, but now it's taking ages to pastebin it.
[02:11] <DanaG> 2243 lines.
[02:12] <DanaG> =þ
[02:12] <Lars_G> Hey all.
[02:12] <Lars_G> Question, what kernel are you guys sending out now for karmic?
[02:13] <DanaG> Linux EliteBook 2.6.31-8-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Thu Aug 27 14:42:57 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:13] <DanaG> that's what I've got.
[02:14] <Lars_G> DanaG: compiled yourself or pulled from the alpha builds?
[02:14] <DanaG> It's the one from the repos.
[02:14] <Lars_G> good
[02:14] <Lars_G> would you do me one last favor please?
[02:14] <Lars_G> check your /lib/modules in kernel/drivers/net to see if you have the atl1c dir/module
[02:15] <Lars_G> not atl1 or atl1e or atl1x, but atl1c
[02:15] <Lars_G> thanks beforehand :)
[02:15] <DanaG> linux-image-2.6.31-8-generic: /lib/modules/2.6.31-8-generic/kernel/drivers/net/atl1c/atl1c.ko
[02:15] <Lars_G> perfect!
[02:15] <DanaG> dpkg -S gives that.
[02:15] <Lars_G> Ok then I'll take the plunge
[02:15] <Lars_G> I'm going karmic alpha
[02:15] <DanaG> Just watch out: preceding kernel version rendered LVM unbootable.
[02:15] <Lars_G> can jaunty be dist-upgrade ed into karmic?
[02:15] <Lars_G> Not using lvm
[02:15] <DanaG> Be prepared to run into these sorts of issues -- and have backups.  =þ
[02:16] <Lars_G> I've used alphas before.
[02:16] <Lars_G> and this is on a netbook so it might get worse
[02:16] <billybigrigger> Lars_G, run update-manager -d via alt-f2
[02:16] <Lars_G> but I want to have my nic working as well :P
[02:16] <billybigrigger> !karmic
[02:16] <billybigrigger> bah
[02:16] <DanaG> hmm, might wanna go to console and do-release-upgrade instead?
[02:16] <billybigrigger> Lars_G, you should read the release notes if your going to take the plunge
[02:16] <billybigrigger> do-release-upgrade eh
[02:17] <billybigrigger> thats new to me :P
[02:17] <Lars_G> billybigrigger: Well years ago I used to live on the edge on all my distros.
[02:17] <DanaG> Bonus points if you run it in 'screen'.
[02:17] <DanaG> :=þ
[02:17] <Lars_G> I always run it in screen
[02:17] <billybigrigger> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4
[02:17] <Lars_G> it's on my .bashrc
[02:17] <Lars_G> I forget stuff running so ofter I placed it there. so I can reattach from home
[02:17] <Lars_G> billybigrigger: will do
[02:19] <Lars_G> wow lots of huge changes in karmic
[02:19] <Lars_G> heh normally there's small "we have newer version of xxx" changes
[02:19] <Lars_G> but, ext4 default, hal is deprecated, new inter driver, wow
[02:19] <billybigrigger> grub2 by default
[02:20] <Lars_G> wow!
[02:21] <Lars_G> this is so big I'm thinking I might want to get and install the remix from scratch
[02:21] <Lars_G> I'd like to be on ext4 and grub2
[02:21] <Lars_G> I guess those ain't pulled with a dist-upgrade
[02:23] <Lars_G> Don't go!
[02:26] <Lars_G> Is there no user provided or something, .img image for the netbook remix of alpha4?
[02:26] <Lars_G> I kinda misstrust burning an iso to pendrive
[02:39] <HazRPG1> mpontillo: does that mean something isn't shutting down properly
[03:06] <mandara> How to download gwibber's 2.0 branch with bzr?
[03:11] <MindVirus1> My sound is retarded.
[03:12] <MindVirus1> I heard the first split second of the sound and then it goes blank.
[03:12] <MindVirus1> And I don't hear anything for a while again.
[03:24] <DKcross> hello people
[03:24] <DKcross> :)
[03:31] <Lars_G> Now, if I go ahead and plunge on the alpha, I can update with new packages as they're pushed, right?
[03:33] <alteregoa> meow
[03:33] <Lars_G> meow
[03:33] <BluesKaj> Lars_G, if you have the right repos in your sources.list , yes
[03:33] <Lars_G> thanks BluesKaj
[03:34] <Lars_G> where can I get the list of the right repos?
[03:34] <BluesKaj> !karmic
[03:35] <BluesKaj> !repository
[03:35] <Lars_G> thank you
[03:38] <BluesKaj> Lars_G,and here , http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4
[03:39] <Lars_G> doing home now, be well all.
[04:14] <BluesKaj> mythtv , is a steep learning curve for a linux starter app
[04:18] <Pretto> dtchen http://paste.ubuntu.com/261277/
[04:19] <Pretto> dtchen still not able to use the modem
[04:20] <DanaG> dtchen: my pulseaudio log of hotplugging USB sound card: http://pastebin.ca/1546618
[04:22] <dtchen> DanaG: with 1:0.9.16~test6-38-g8bf2-0ubuntu1~ubuntuaudiodev1, correct?
[04:22] <DanaG> I: main.c: This is PulseAudio 0.9.16-test6-30-g300384
[04:23] <dtchen> 38-g8bf2-0ubuntu1~ubuntuaudiodev1 built some thirty minutes ago
[04:23] <DanaG> ah, I'll check for updates right now.
[04:26] <dtchen> Pretto: oh, sorry, brainfart on my part
[04:27] <dtchen> Pretto: s/PROGRAM/RUN+=/
[04:27] <DanaG> oh yeah, that reminds me... something in udev broke the Xilinx USB JTAG  cable.
[04:27] <DanaG> It used to use a "$TEMPNODE" variable, that now no longer exists.
[04:27] <DanaG> I had to change it to $env{devname}
[04:28] <Pretto> dtchen :D  i've changed the modem-switch rule using that, no success at all too
[04:28] <dtchen> Pretto: are you positive your path is valid?
[04:28] <Pretto> dtchen yes
[04:29] <dtchen> do you absolutely need to invoke it with /bin/sh ?
[04:29] <dtchen> DanaG: udev moves pretty quickly, (un)fortunately
[04:30] <DanaG> Particularly bad for closed-source stuff like that WinDriver.
[04:30] <Pretto> dtchen that is the problem, i only know that it worked on intrepid and jaunty, and did an echo %p to a file that results in an empty file
[04:32] <dtchen> Pretto: it's not really "empty", since sysfs is (like proc) a pseudo-fs
[04:32] <dtchen> Pretto: what happens if you insert the device and run the echo command manually?
[04:32] <dtchen> there are all sorts of things that could be happening- race condition, etc.
[04:32] <Pretto> dtchen i mean, is the %p like a variable?
[04:33] <dtchen> Pretto: well, that's a completely different matter, but yes, that's another thing to debug- whether %p is valid at that point
[04:34] <Pretto> dtchen that is what i meant, i tryied to echo %p to a file in the rule, but got an empty file
[04:34] <dtchen> Pretto: ah! then %p is undefined
[04:35] <dtchen> what was %p supposed to be in the original?
[04:35] <Pretto> dtchen i think it will have the devpath value
[04:36] <Pretto> dtchen just guessing
[04:37] <dtchen> i really think that path is invalid in Karmic
[04:37] <Pretto> dtchen how can i debug it?
[04:41] <dtchen> Pretto: then pass devpath
[04:42] <dtchen> because %p clearly is wrong
[04:43] <Pretto> dtchen hehhehhe... if i guessed right, devpath would work
[04:44] <Pretto> dtchen i will try that... brb
[04:44] <dtchen> e.g., RUN+="/bin/sh -c 'echo 3 > /sys/$env{DEVPATH}/bConfigurationValue'"
[04:45] <dtchen> have you tried that?
[04:45] <Pretto> dtchen no
[04:45] <Pretto> will try it now
[04:45] <Pretto> dtchen let me boot on karmic again
[04:59] <mac_v> dtchen: hi... regarding Bug #411274 ,I tried turning off shm , but still memory keeps increasing ,  is there any other info that needs to be added?
[05:06] <MindVirus1> My sound is retarded.
[05:06] <MindVirus1> And I don't hear anything for a while again.
[05:06] <MindVirus1> I heard the first split second of the sound and then it goes blank.
[05:06] <MindVirus1> Those last two should be switched in order.
[05:08] <MindVirus1> Any suggestions?
[05:10] <mpontillo> dtchen: updated bug 420578. setting volume = ignore where it was volume = merge in analog-output.conf works around the issue
[05:13] <MindVirus1> I found out the problem.
[05:13] <MindVirus1> It plays sound at 100% volume, then brings back down to my requested volume.
[05:13] <MindVirus1> This is stupid.
[05:23] <bjsnider> can somebody who's using a 32 bit system tell me which package is providing libXi.so.6?
[05:25] <alteregoa> x11
[05:26] <bjsnider> libx11?
[05:28] <alteregoa> xorg x11
[05:28] <alteregoa> damn google it
[05:28] <bjsnider> i did
[05:28] <crdlb> !find libXi.so.6
[05:29] <bjsnider> spank you very much
[05:45] <MindVirus1> I see that packagekit-gnome is installed for Karmic; can't this be a dep of ubuntu-desktop instead of update-manager?
[05:45] <MindVirus1> It is obviously better.
[05:46] <MindVirus1> As well as software-properties-gtk.
[05:47] <MindVirus1> And gnome-app-install.
[05:47] <MindVirus1> We don't need two versions of the same thing.
[06:14] <gletob> Anyone here able to help me?  I'm running Karmic and have a ton of packages being held back
[06:16] <bucky> i just made them install one by one with sudo apt-get install <package>
[06:16] <bucky> i ran into that
[06:16] <bucky> how ya doing glen
[06:16] <MindVirus1> gletob: try dist-upgrade
[06:17] <MindVirus1> bucky: you screwed up, dude. A lot of those packages were deps and are now pulled in as manually installed.
[06:17] <MindVirus1> Why does grub-pc try to remove grub?
[06:18] <gletob> Sorry I slipped away for a second.
[06:18] <gletob> MindVirus1, I did it try to remove some stuff that I don't want removed
[06:19] <gletob> Can I just copy and paste the stuff that it removes into apt-get install?
[06:19] <bucky> MindVirus1, grub-pc is the new grub... grub
[06:19] <gletob> MindVirus1, Btw I think the grub-pc package is grub2
[06:19] <MindVirus1> gletob: it's grub-pc.
[06:19] <bucky> for some reason it never tries to update that on my system.. and it's just as well with me
[06:20] <MindVirus1> bucky: I know, but the guide says to upgrade from grub, install grub-pc and it won't touch grub.
[06:20] <MindVirus1> Should I chance it?
[06:20] <gletob> Pull it up in synaptic: GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version)
[06:20] <bucky> i don't like grub2 because it doesn't like ext4
[06:21] <gletob> MindVirus1, it add a entry into grub to chainload grub 2
[06:21] <bucky> and people like all the latest crap like that and run into a brick wall
[06:21] <MindVirus1> gletob: it removes grub though.
[06:21] <gletob> I tried it but didn't like the way it works.
[06:22] <MindVirus1> gletob: grub2 is a dummy package.
[06:22] <bucky> MindVirus1, i never issued a dist-upgrade on my system
[06:22] <gletob> MindVirus1, read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing
[06:23] <bucky> MindVirus1, i used update-manager -d  which is better
[06:23] <MindVirus1> gletob: I am, trust me.
[06:23] <MindVirus1> bucky: if you had packages being held back then dist-upgrade would have fixed it.
[06:23] <MindVirus1> dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade your distribution.
[06:23] <bucky> oh really
[06:23] <MindVirus1> Aye.
[06:24] <gletob> On A side note how do you upgrade a server install when a new release comes out?
[06:24] <bucky> i know why it held mine back.. i used aptitude why and aptitude why-not
[06:25] <bucky> gletob update-manager -d
[06:25] <MindVirus1> What does "elevator=noop" mean?
[06:26] <gletob> bucky, keyword: Server Meaning: No Gui
[06:26] <bucky> oh crap it's holding python-launchpadlib back
[06:27] <gletob> I really need to update though I'd really like to stop using alsamixer to control volume.
[06:28] <bucky> you guys have been using linux for six weeks and you already know everything.. why bother asking
[06:31] <jml> ungh, sound juicer has been saving files as '1 - Foo', not '01 - Foo'
[06:44] <MindVirus1> I don't have update-from-grub-legacy.
[06:44] <MindVirus1> Someone help me find it.
[06:47] <MindVirus1> Typing it in wrong. Oops.
[06:47] <bucky> MindVirus1, aptitude hold grub
[06:47] <Abdullah9>  need help guys
[06:47] <MindVirus1> bucky: it was supposed to be upgrade, not update.
[06:48] <Abdullah9> i need help
[06:48] <Abdullah9> with my wifi card
[06:48] <Abdullah9> wifi adapter
[06:48] <bucky> acutally i installed update-manager-core and sudo do-release-upgrade
[06:48] <bucky> Abdullah9, is this on a new install or an upgrade?
[06:50] <Abdullah9> look , i have a wifi adapter that use rt2870 driver , but when i plug it in the USB port , nothing happend
[06:50] <Abdullah9> !
[06:54] <bucky> Abdullah9, you need the rt2870 driver
[06:55] <bucky> i think it's in linux-restricted-modules-generic if you have the latest kernel if not you need linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[06:55] <bucky> and i'd install linux-restricted-modules-common too
[06:56] <bucky> then modinfo rt2870 to make sure you got it and sudo modprobe rt2870
[06:56] <Abdullah9> i am new in ubuntu
[06:57] <MindVirus1> Abdullah9: you shouldn't have started with Karmic.
[06:57] <Abdullah9> look to this site  :
[06:57] <Abdullah9> http://www.apfelkraut.org/2009/02/howto-wlan-ralink-rt2870-usb-stick-kubuntu-810/
[06:57] <Abdullah9> i am stuck in the 4th step
[06:58] <Abdullah9> the thing that i coludn't understand is " sudo make " and " sudo make install "
[06:59] <bucky> Abdullah9, did you cd into the directory that was made when you untared the file?
[06:59] <Abdullah9> no
[07:00] <bucky> Abdullah9, type pwd    .. where are you?
[07:00] <Abdullah9> ?
[07:00] <bucky> Abdullah9, what is the working directory you're in?
[07:00] <Abdullah9> /home/user
[07:01] <bucky> type ls  .. what's the name of the driver directory?
[07:01] <bucky> 2008_0925_RT2870_Linux_STA   or something
[07:01] <Abdullah9> /home/user/سطح المكتب/2007_1220_RT2870_Linux_STA_v1.2.1.0
[07:02] <Abdullah9> this is the directory : /home/user/سطح المكتب/2007_1220_RT2870_Linux_STA_v1.2.1.0
[07:02] <bucky> good.. cd RT2870_Linux_STA_v1.2.1.0
[07:03] <bucky> what does pwd say now?
[07:04] <Abdullah9> /home/user/2007_1220_RT2870_Linux_STA_v1.2.1.0
[07:04] <bucky> good now " sudo make " and " sudo make install "
[07:05] <bucky> Abdullah9, did you do step 3 ?  Now the support of wpa_supplicant should be enabled in the file os/linux/config.mk of the driver package.
[07:06] <bucky> gedit os/linux/config.mk
[07:07] <bucky> HAS_WPA_SUPPLICANT=y
[07:07] <Abdullah9> yes
[07:07] <bucky> HAS_NATIVE_WPA_SUPPLICANT_SUPPORT=y
[07:07] <Abdullah9> make: *** [LINUX] Error 2
[07:08] <Abdullah9> ?
[07:09] <bucky> Abdullah9, ah.. i just googled and you need a newer version of RT2870_Linux_STA_v1.2.1.0
[07:09] <Abdullah9> ok
[07:09] <bucky> Abdullah9, get the latest version
[07:10] <Abdullah9> i will download
[07:10] <Abdullah9> thanks
[07:10] <bucky> yup
[07:19] <Abdullah9> any one ?
[07:21] <bucky> Abdullah9, you might have this driver already... modinfo rt2870sta
[07:22] <bucky> some people have better luck building one
[09:22] <Michalxo> hello
[09:23] <Michalxo> anyone having a problem with cdrom drive? Like unable to eject it?
[09:24] <Michalxo> I've just burnt a cd and had problem to open it manually.. I opened it via "eject" command, but now.. I am stuck at all with it
[09:24] <Michalxo> anyone?
[09:29] <Michalxo> help
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> hmm?
[09:53]  * Dr_Willis is testing Alpha4 Kubuntu today. :)
[09:54] <Michalxo> yes.. help me please someone
[09:54] <Michalxo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/395814/comments/8
[09:55] <Dr_Willis> I cant say that i ever use the 'eject' button on the cd...
[09:55] <Michalxo> so.. how to open cdrom drive?
[09:55] <Dr_Willis> if its mounted.. it shouldent eject it.. if its in use.. it wont unmount it... so.....
[09:56] <Michalxo> but there is no cd inside..
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> heh.., :) thats amuzeing
[09:56] <Michalxo> well.. I am stuck
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> try eject, and see if theres an error. see what dmesg command does
[09:56] <Michalxo> nothing
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> see if it shows any errors.
[09:56] <Michalxo> tried
[09:58] <Michalxo> :( nothing at all
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> get a paper clip... stick it in that little hole....
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> :()
[10:10] <Michalxo> well.. I am sure after reboot it will work :-/
[10:22] <eagles0513875> morning
[10:29] <Michalxo> anyone?
[10:29] <Michalxo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/395814/comments/8
[10:30] <mnemo> does "gnome-terminal --geometry=100x3" launch a very wide but think gnome-terminal for you guys in karmic??? it works well for me in jaunty but it gnome-terminal always comes up in 80x24 for me in karmic since last updates...
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> Using Kubuntu here. :()
[10:31] <Michalxo> mnemo, I see no difference :)
[10:31] <Michalxo> what should that geometry do? I have regular window.. not 100x 3 :-/
[10:32] <mnemo> ok so maybe its a bug in karmic then
[10:32] <mnemo> "gnome-terminal --geometry=100x3" should create a terminal window which is 100 chars wide and 3 lines high
[10:32] <Dr_Willis> or somthing else is rembering the location/size/position of the terminal
[10:33] <mnemo> "xterm -geometry 100x3" still works
[10:34] <Michalxo> agree mnemo
[10:34] <mnemo> ok I will open a bug then
[10:34] <mnemo> thanks
[10:35] <Michalxo> wcl
[10:35] <mnemo> ah someone already noticed this it seems
[10:35] <mnemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/418555
[10:36] <Michalxo> is gnome do good thing?
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> I like gnome-do
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> its handy.  and also has a decent 'dock' theme it can use
[10:42] <Michalxo> dock theme?
[10:43]  * mac_v doesnt like gnome-do dock doesnt offer customization , cairo-dock awesome
[10:45] <juanjo> .
[10:45] <shappie> Hi, i read that kubuntu 9.10 is using grub2 but i cant locate the menu.lst anymore?
[10:46] <Michalxo> shappie, correct ;)
[10:46] <shappie> Normally its located in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:46] <shappie> Michalxo: Where can i find/edit it now?
[10:47] <Michalxo> well... it's kinda "harder" different now
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> Going to have to read up on GRUB2 myself soon
[10:47] <Michalxo> searching for webpage for you
[10:47] <shappie> Ok
[10:47] <Michalxo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[10:47] <shappie> I like to remove some old kernels and edit waiting time...
[10:48] <Michalxo> you can edit files in /etc/grub/defaults/number_info or where it is
[10:48] <Michalxo> then you run update-grub(2) and the read only file is generated
[10:48] <mnemo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1237683
[10:48] <Dr_Willis>  /etc/grub.d
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> we need more .d drectories! :)(
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> vi /etc/default/grub
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> has some seettings it seems  also
[10:51] <shappie> why they didnt make this simple?
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> I find it simple. :P
[10:51] <shappie> Im reading that adding an entry you need to made a new document with a specific name :(
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> thats how the  various X sessions also work.. and other things...
[10:52] <shappie> Dr_Willis: If i need to edit timeout + hiddenmenu + less kernels in the list
[10:52] <shappie> what to do?
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> shappie:  several of those settings are in the /etc/efault/grub file
[10:52] <Tatewaki> Dr_Willis, You should only edit /etc/default/grub now
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> as for less kernels in the list.. if they are in    /etc/grub  youjust delete the file
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> thats how i am reading the docs...
[10:53] <shappie> ok
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> I imagien you have to run 'update-grub' after changing the configs
[10:53] <shappie> But you are allowed to edit /etc/default/grub ?
[10:53] <apparle> has the ati open source driver been improved in karmic?
[10:53] <shappie> Coz the other configs are not to edit i read...
[10:53] <Michalxo> shappie, yes edit it;)
[10:54] <shappie> apparie: I wanna konw that to
[10:54] <shappie> ok ty :)
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> how else ya goitn to chagne it? :)
[10:54] <shappie> I dont know :D
[10:54] <Michalxo> you can all apart from the one autogenerated...
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> ' and then adjust the default setting via /etc/default/grub.'
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> it says in the  README
[10:55] <shappie> I read in the top of the file to run: update-grub afterwards?
[10:55] <shappie> not update-grub2?
[10:56] <Michalxo> it's same
[10:56] <shappie> ok
[10:56] <Michalxo> worked both for me :)
[10:56] <shappie> If i uncomment hidden_timeout do i have to comment timeout?
[10:56] <Michalxo> dunno what is stub,
[10:56] <apparle> does anyone know whether ATI open source driver has undergone any change?
[10:56] <Michalxo> shappie, i assume it does not interfere :)
[10:57] <shappie> Ok ty
[10:57] <Dr_Willis> !info grub-invaders
[10:57] <Dr_Willis> !info grub-invaders:)
[10:57] <Dr_Willis> oops.. heh.
[10:59] <shappie> I have an ATi radeon HD3850 card which opensource driver is better to use? (radeon or radeonhd)?
[10:59] <mnemo> apparle: since jaunty the ATI open source driver got better power management, you can see the changelog for any package using "aptitude changelog PACKAGE_NAME"
[10:59] <shappie> mnemo: the radeon driver?
[10:59] <mnemo> yea
[10:59] <apparle> mnemo: but I don't know the package name for ati driver
[11:00] <mnemo> but the code for "HD" cards is not finished yet afaik
[11:00] <mnemo> apparle: find it using "apt-cache search SOME_WORD"
[11:00] <shappie> Ok
[11:01] <mnemo> apparle: in this case its "aptitude changelog xserver-xorg-video-radeon"
[11:01] <shappie> I dont use kubuntu for 3D things so i just need a fast stable 2D driver i guess
[11:01] <mnemo> shappie: http://nhaehnle.blogspot.com/2009/08/radeon-good-news-in-3d-country.html
[11:01] <shappie> (with dualscreen support)
[11:02] <shappie> In KRandr i cant setup dualscreen...
[11:04] <shappie> Interesting link: http://www.botchco.com/agd5f/?p=47
[11:04] <shappie> About ATi opensource drivers and new HD cards
[11:04] <mnemo> yup
[11:05] <apparle> mnemo: can you tell me the changelog because I am in jaunty..........now
[11:06] <Michalxo> ok i'll repeat my probelm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/395814/comments/8
[11:06] <Michalxo> anyone?
[11:06] <shadeslayer> Michalxo: hi
[11:07] <Michalxo> hi (?) :)
[11:07] <mnemo> apparle: changelog is also available in LP actually, so just look there --> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+changelog
[11:07] <shadeslayer> Michalxo: i thought you didnt state your problem... im looking at it right now...
[11:08] <Michalxo> great thanks :)
[11:09] <apparle> now getting to the problem............sometimes the desktop effects start and sometimes they donot...........why doesn this happen
[11:10] <shadeslayer> Michalxo: well the eject command works here
[11:10] <Michalxo> worked here too.. once...
[11:10] <Michalxo> or twice
[11:11] <mnemo> apparle: probably because compiz runs into some problem when its startup... you can see what the problem is by A) turning off desktop effects and then B) running "compiz --replace" from a terminal
[11:11] <shadeslayer> but... my touch sensitive button doesnt....
[11:11] <Michalxo> eject -t does some things with cdrom (should be insert)
[11:11] <Michalxo> bu eject is stuck.. nothing at all
[11:13] <apparle> mnemo: I am using kubuntu and kwin.............but I used to get the same problem in ubuntu also.........even with the fglrx drivers earlier.........and also in windows vista
[11:14] <mnemo> apparle: ah, well I never used KDE but I think you can run "kwin --replace" from a terminal as well (or something similar)
[11:14] <mnemo> apparle: also check the bottom of "dmesg" if there is any ATI related errors there
[11:14] <shadeslayer> Michalxo: have you tried that command with sudo?
[11:14] <shappie> How do i install radeonhd driver?
[11:15] <apparle> mnemo: ok
[11:15] <Michalxo> shadeslayer, yes
[11:15] <apparle> mnemo: Next time it doesn't start I will check dmesg
[11:15] <mnemo> apparle: and check /var/log/Xorg.0.log as well ... and if you file a bug do it using the terminal command "ubuntu-bug xorg" because that will automatically attach all those graphics drivers logs and stuff to the bug report
[11:15] <Michalxo> shadeslayer, I see it on reboot :(
[11:15] <shadeslayer> Michalxo: did it work?
[11:15] <apparle> mnemo: thanks
[11:16] <Michalxo> shadeslayer, nope :( but reboot should make it work.. always did so far
[11:16] <shadeslayer> heh...
[11:16] <shadeslayer> btw whats the command to start powerdevil and dbus?
[11:30] <shappie> Im trying to install radeonhd (i allready installed the package) but my xorg.conf is empty... So what do i need to put in there?
[11:31] <Laney> anyone else's notifications appearing half way down the screen?
[11:31] <Laney> oh
[11:31] <Laney> bug 420961
[11:32] <Michalxo> Laney, :))
[11:32] <Laney> it's quite disconcerting
[11:32] <Michalxo> wait
[11:32] <Michalxo> got better bug/solution for you
[11:33] <Michalxo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/419894 Laney
[11:33] <Janhouse> Hello! I am interested in karmic encrypted drive mounter in nautilus.
[11:33] <Janhouse> can I get the same functionality on jaunty?
[11:33] <Michalxo> Laney, managed to get old packages ;)
[11:33] <Janhouse> In karmic nautilus shows and offers to mount all of my encrypted drives.
[11:34] <Laney> argh
[11:37] <Michalxo> Laney, use that packages provided by nate ;)
[11:37] <Laney> that's not a proper solution
[11:41] <Michalxo> the best one so far :(
[11:42] <surendra-is> hi
[11:42] <d6chung> Is there a way to revert gnome-volume-control or at least access options such as "analog loopback" as I was able to in 9.04?
[11:43] <d6chung> Or, maybe I should state my goal, listen to the mic input?
[11:43] <huwenfeng> better driver for Inter 4500M HD video card???? in 9.10????
[11:43] <d6chung> I know there's audio signal since I can run audacity and record and get something recorded! Also, pulse's volume meter is showing signals.
[11:44] <mnemo> huwenfeng: try installing a newer version using xorg-edgers PPA or from upstream GIT master (also try upgrading kernel)
[11:45] <huwenfeng> mnemo: oh, good, i will try it, i am still using 8.04 now
[11:46] <mnemo> huwenfeng: 9.10 has _a lot_ better drivers for intel 4500 HD
[11:47] <mnemo> huwenfeng: if you just want something good and stable, use the 9.10 default driver
[11:47] <huwenfeng> mnemo: can i use that driver in my 8.04 system now??? ?
[11:48] <mnemo> huwenfeng: unfortunately no
[11:49] <huwenfeng> oh, then i have to reinstall my system,
[11:49] <huwenfeng> good, thank you, i will be using 9.10 next week,
[11:50] <Michalxo> huwenfeng, but try liveCD first :)
[11:51] <huwenfeng> oh, i got no CD here, i can install it on my removable hard disk, and try it some time
[11:52] <huwenfeng> Ubuntu is good, i love it , after installation, it almost usable, not too much tweak
[11:52] <Michalxo> if you're lucky with HW enough :)
[11:53] <huwenfeng> HW?? HW stands for what??
[11:53] <Michalxo> hardware
[11:54] <huwenfeng> OK, understand, pretty new user here
[11:54] <Michalxo> np :)
[11:57] <dupondje> network-manager VPN tab broken ?
[11:57] <dupondje> can't add any vpn connection :s
[11:57] <mnemo> add button disabled here as well
[11:57] <mnemo> never used it though
[11:57] <Michalxo> works for me..
[11:58] <Michalxo> I can press add and see configurations.. but never tried it too...
[11:58] <d6chung> dupondje: I assume you need to install network-manager-pptp?
[11:58] <dupondje> network-manager-openvpn ?
[11:58] <d6chung> Or openvpn.
[11:58] <d6chung> Yeah, that one.
[11:59] <dupondje> its installed
[11:59] <mnemo> thats like a usability bug, the user shouldnt have to know that.. it should ask on first click "install needed needed stuff? y/n"
[11:59] <mnemo> papercut maybe
[11:59] <dupondje> but still, its installed
[12:00] <dupondje> and can't add vpn connection :(
[12:00] <d6chung> When you see you don't see any connections, is it that you can't add?
[12:01] <dupondje> how you mean ?
[12:01] <d6chung> dupondje: For me, I don't have network-manager-openvpn installed.
[12:02] <d6chung> I've been using network-manager-pptp./
[12:02] <Michalxo> well.. I have no vpn installed at all :-/
[12:02] <d6chung> And connecting with "Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol (PPTP)" with network manager.
[12:03] <d6chung> Is there a way in pulse to direct input streams to output devices?
[12:03] <dupondje> hmz
[12:03] <dupondje> installed vpnc plugin
[12:04] <dupondje> and now I can add VPN connections
[12:04] <dupondje> but only vpnc connections :s
[12:04] <dupondje> no openvpn connections
[12:04] <dupondje> did purge
[12:04] <dupondje> install
[12:04] <dupondje> and tadaa ! its back :P
[12:12] <d6chung> I can't figure this out. I hope they fix gnome-volume-control and in the mean time, I think I'll revert back to 9.04.
[12:16] <d6chung> Actually, you know what would satisfy me? Does anyone know of some program that lets me listen to the mic's input?
[12:16] <eagles0513875> d6chung: audacity
[12:16] <eagles0513875> will record the input for playback to hear it
[12:16] <d6chung> I want it in real-time though.
[12:18] <cdE|Woozy> gnome-session just segfaulted :(
[12:19] <cdE|Woozy> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/261424/ <- at least it had company while it crashed
[12:48] <shadeslayer> heh... gues what,i dont have kubuntu-desktop installed in kubuntu 9.10 :P...
[12:48] <shadeslayer> *guess
[12:59] <scizzo-> shadeslayer: you made a partial upgrade and the package was removed?
[13:22] <nocturn> Anyone like the new notification bubbles in the middle of the screen?
[13:27]  * shadeslayer uses KDE so i wouldnt know
[13:29] <ikonia> nocturn: it's been commented on negativly a lot yesterdat
[13:30] <nocturn> ikonia: I can imagine, I got it with this morning's updates...
[13:30] <nocturn> Do you have any idea why they did this?
[13:31] <ikonia> apprantly it's an intentional update, from my point of view it's not a positive update, my suggestion would be to log a low priority bug for it, or a feature upgrade and get anyone who's not happy with it to post a comment on it so they can guage user experience
[13:31] <shadeslayer> ikonia: theres already a bug on it.....
[13:32] <ikonia> shadeslayer: ahhh excellent, can you point nocturn at it
[13:32] <shadeslayer> ikonia: unfourtunately i dont know the bug number :P
[13:32] <nocturn> found it, but in the bug report it doesn't say why they did this
[13:32] <shadeslayer> ill have a look at the logs
[13:32] <ikonia> nocturn: it's supposed to be a better user experience
[13:32] <ikonia> nocturn: there was a post yesterday to the mailing list detailing this
[13:33] <Pretto> who could help with this?w http://paste.ubuntu.com/261295/
[13:34] <nocturn> It's so horrible that I have a difficult time to imagine it was intentional, that's why I'm trying to find the reason :-)
[13:34] <ikonia> nocturn: you've almost excactly echo'd the statments made yesterday, most people seem to feel it a bug
[13:35] <nocturn> LOL
[13:36] <nocturn> So that means there's a good chance they'll revert it
[13:38] <ikonia> nope, it just means others have passed that same comment
[13:51] <vigo> Hello, is 10 in Alpha?
[13:53] <richardcavell> Anyone out there upset about the new placement of the notify-osd?
[13:54] <vigo> I have no idea what that is, yet, I was looking for a 10 Alpha torrent or whatever.
[13:54] <arand> richardcavell: not sure what to think really, but yea there was quite ariot here yesterday ;)
[13:54] <richardcavell> I submitted a bug report to launchpad
[13:54] <richardcavell> I didn't realise it was intentional
[13:54] <richardcavell> and people have been responding to it
[13:54] <richardcavell> I've uninstalled Karmic
[13:54] <richardcavell> I've had enough of the antics
[13:54] <arand> vigo: I'm not sure they do torrents for pre-releases..
[13:55] <richardcavell> to do something like that and defend it against protests is not in the spirit of Linux
[13:55] <vigo> Thank you.
[13:55] <arand> !daily
[13:55] <arvind_khadri> richardcavell, its been fixed
[13:55] <richardcavell> no it hasn't
[13:56] <arvind_khadri> richardcavell, it has been fixed... the corrected version was released today in the morning...
[13:56] <richardcavell> ok
[13:57] <richardcavell> well do you want to close my bug then?
[13:57] <richardcavell> bug 419894
[13:59] <arvind_khadri> richardcavell, yes close it, as in it michalxo has given you a build and also someone else also... and again its been fixed in the upstream version also
[14:02] <richardcavell> arvind_khadri: can you confirm for certain that the upstream version is fixed?
[14:02] <richardcavell> I'm not running Karmic right now
[14:02] <richardcavell> so I can't check it
[14:03] <shadeslayer> whats the diff. b/w a daily build and a normal karmic install?
[14:04] <richardcavell> shadeslayer: the daily build is an up to date version
[14:04] <richardcavell> karmic alpha 4 will give you the most recent alpha release
[14:04] <shadeslayer> richardcavell: and the normal install isnt?
[14:04] <richardcavell> which is kind of stable
[14:04] <shadeslayer> oh...
[14:04] <richardcavell> The daily build may crash for all anyone knows
[14:05] <richardcavell> at least with alpha 4 it's a bit of a milestone
[14:05] <shadeslayer> but after a upgrade its like a daily build
[14:05] <richardcavell> yep
[14:05] <richardcavell> if you have already applied all updates, then you have the equivalent of a daily build
[14:12] <nocturn> The notify-osd thing has been fixed!
[14:13] <nocturn> they are reverting to the old on-top behaviour
[14:14] <Machtin> http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/609/image029d.jpg <- any suggestions? :/
[14:15] <Machtin> always happens after upgrading
[14:15] <Machtin> alpha 4 is okay.. a week ago or so something must have been released which broke it.
[14:19] <unksi> Machtin: that happened to me too after each shutdown, it got fixed by last kernel update tho
[14:20] <shadeslayer> Machtin: its fixed in the new kernel
[14:22] <Machtin> hm.. can't imagine.
[14:22] <Machtin> i just did that update half an hour ago or so
[14:23] <Machtin> via update-manager -d (on a machine where 9.04 was installed)
[14:23] <unksi> Machtin: the change comes in effect only after you boot the new kernel
[14:23] <Machtin> i did - it's 2.6.31-8 i think
[14:23] <shadeslayer> Machtin: and it still hangs?
[14:24] <Machtin> yup
[14:24] <Machtin> i never had 2.6.31-7 on that machine.. i just updated to 9.10 half an hour (let it be an hour) ago
[14:25] <shadeslayer> Machtin: file a bug
[14:26] <Machtin> hmmh
[14:26] <Machtin> i'll try to update this machine as well.. wondering whether it will work.
[14:26] <Machtin> (it's already alpha 4.. i had the same issue here..)
[14:27] <Neonexus> Im having serious issues with GRUB2 and uuid's, anyone able to help?
[14:27] <Machtin> what do you mean with serious issues?
[14:27] <Neonexus> wont boot!
[14:27] <Machtin> where does it hang?
[14:28] <Machtin> doesn't even start booting?
[14:29] <Neonexus> at GRUB
[14:29] <Neonexus> error no such device
[14:29] <Machtin> might grub be correct?
[14:29] <Machtin> i mean.. when you say uuid, you gave the partition name via /dev/disk/by-uuid/bla, no?
[14:30] <Neonexus> if I bring up the grub menu and edit the entry, deleting the following string I can get it to boot
[14:30] <Neonexus> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 6c4ecf54-9eb6-47b2-928d-078f460a7ea6
[14:31] <Neonexus> I checked in gparted, the uuid is correct
[14:31] <Machtin> hmm
[14:31] <Neonexus> however the command blkid, lists nothing!
[14:32] <Neonexus> I read somewhere that the problem maybe I dont have a /boot partition
[14:33] <Machtin> and ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid shows 6c4ecf54-9eb6-47b2-928d-078f460a7ea6 as the correct partition?
[14:34] <Neonexus> well that examle is one I took off the web, but it matchs the one in grub yes
[14:34] <Machtin> hm, strange.. no clue then.
[14:35] <Machtin> though that search-line is strange anyway.
[14:35] <Machtin> why don't you just edit menu.lst if it works that way?
[14:35] <Neonexus> how do i ommit is?
[14:35] <Neonexus> it
[14:35] <Neonexus> grub2 doesnt have menu.lst !!
[14:35] <Neonexus> if it did it would be easy!
[14:35] <Machtin> ah, sorry.
[14:35] <Neonexus> its got grub.cfg
[14:36] <Neonexus> but I cant edit it directly
[14:36] <shadeslayer> Neonexus: yep
[14:36] <Neonexus> if I could just get it to ommit the line beginning with search
[14:37] <shadeslayer> Neonexus: cant you edit out the word at the boot time?
[14:37] <Machtin> guess he can, but he can't save it.
[14:37] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:37] <Neonexus> yeah, but I wanna know whats up
[14:37] <Neonexus> the uuid is correct
[14:37] <shadeslayer> Neonexus: try #grub
[14:38] <Machtin> so.. i just updated.. will try to reboot now (i hope i don't have to reinstall alpha 4 then :( )
[14:39] <Neonexus> watch out for the amazing boot images, they are mind blowing
[14:43] <alkisg> So... features frozen - where can we see them? E.g. empathy or pidgin?
[14:53] <Machtin> back :) worked!
[14:53] <Neonexus> how you finding it?
[14:53] <Machtin> me? pardon?
[14:54] <Neonexus> any problems?
[14:54] <Machtin> no
[14:55] <Machtin> well.. on the first boot it gave me my old error.. then i rebooted and it worked.
[14:55] <Machtin> (did fsck..)
[14:55] <Machtin> where old error is something like that: http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/609/image029d.jpg
[14:56] <Neonexus> was you impressed by the boot screen?
[14:59] <Machtin> no :(
[15:00] <Machtin> on the other machine the error still exists.
[15:01] <Machtin> can i somehow get it working again? like at least not mount the /dev/sda1 as read only?
[15:08] <BluesKaj> hi folks
[15:08] <penguin42> Hi BK
[15:08] <BluesKaj> hi p42
[15:10] <penguin42> anyone had problems with external keyboards sometimes not getting reenabled after boot/hibernate on laptops?
[15:10] <NielsE> I'm developing something and I want to know if the package python-notify is installed as default in the latest ubuntu
[15:11]  * penguin42 isn't sure if there is a list of default packages
[15:16] <natewiebe13> so notify-osd has officially been fixed?
[15:16] <natewiebe13> mac_v: have they reverted the centering change yet?
[15:17] <mac_v> natewiebe13: you sound like a kid , asking "Are we there yet?" .... ;)
[15:17] <mac_v> nope they havent
[15:17] <natewiebe13> richardcavell said they did
[15:17] <NielsE> penguin42: any idea on how I can find out? maybe a list of packages that is on the cd?
[15:17] <natewiebe13> on the bug report
[15:17] <mac_v> let me update and check again
[15:17] <penguin42> NielsE: Find someone who has just done an install; or do an install yourself in a VM
[15:19] <penguin42> NielsE: If you're lucky someone will appear on here having just done an install
[15:20] <Neonexus> my notify-osd is still centring
[15:23] <natewiebe13> there was a new update..
[15:24] <Neonexus> when
[15:24] <natewiebe13> i just thought about it.. i had a modified version of notify-osd, so it probably just replaced with the version from the repos
[15:26] <natewiebe13> i just changed xsplash to hopefully fix the throbber.. im going to go test it out..
[15:30] <Neonexus> well?
[15:30] <natewiebe13> xsplash is now smooth, but its still moving vertically
[15:30] <natewiebe13> (the trobber isnt jumpy)
[15:31] <Neonexus> :-(
[15:32] <Neonexus> my firewall events started to work again
[15:36] <penguin42> natewiebe13: You said it had the wrong number of frames in the code? What about the size of the image?
[15:37] <natewiebe13> penguin42: i changed the frames.. so now it isnt jumpy, its a smooth transition.. as for the actual image.. i have no clue.. the image is 266x800 px
[15:38] <penguin42> would be worth checking
[15:38] <penguin42> screwing the height up could cause a vertical scroll
[15:39] <natewiebe13> could
[15:41] <natewiebe13> im not an expert on code though..
[15:41] <penguin42> what package is it in?
[15:43] <natewiebe13> xsplash
[15:44] <natewiebe13> src/xsplash.c
[15:44] <natewiebe13> im going for a bit.. (30 mins)
[15:45] <penguin42> looks at it and wonders why they've done it in such a weird way
[15:47] <penguin42> what was wrong with using an animated image file?
[15:48] <NielsE> penguin42: with apt-rdepends you can also do reverse package dependency checking, I found out that ubuntuone-client (which is installed by default) depends on python-notify :-)
[15:48] <penguin42> ah cool
[15:55] <fixxxermet> Just installed 9.10 Alpha 4 on my notebook with an intel display device.  How do I use the new intel video driver?
[15:55] <penguin42> it should just use the latest - which 'new' were you after?
[15:56] <fixxxermet> So I should just use xserver-xorg-video-intel?
[15:56] <penguin42> yep
[15:56] <fixxxermet> Referring to "New Intel video driver architecture available for testing" @ http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4
[15:56] <fixxxermet> ok, sweet
[15:57] <penguin42> fixxxermet: If you grep -i uxa /var/log/Xorg.0.log  you should see it's using uxa
[15:57] <fixxxermet> ok
[15:57] <fixxxermet> (II) UXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
[15:57] <fixxxermet> So I'll follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting then?
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> hey guys.
[15:59] <penguin42> fixxxermet: I'm not sure, but I think that's all by default - you don't need to do anything
[15:59] <fixxxermet> ok
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> I have an img file I'd like to add to my grub config, the /boot/grub/grub.conf says the file is not to be editted and that it reads some other config
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> can anyone please avise? do i just edit the grub.conf file or is this not the way to do it?
[15:59] <Twigaathy> Anybody using mpd here? Can't seem to upgrade it cleanly.... http://paste.lisp.org/display/86229
[16:00] <Twigaathy> oh :o
[16:00] <Twigaathy> Weird, the mpd stop init script doesn't seem to work properly
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> Twigaathy: log a bug
[16:01] <Twigaathy> hm, but now it does
[16:01] <Twigaathy> Veeery strange
[16:01] <Twigaathy> ActionParsnip: planlike :)
[16:03] <ActionParsnip> grub2 is so overcomplicated
[16:04] <Twigaathy> I'm still using old-flavour grub...
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> is there a gui for it. I'm great with command line. i just cant wrestle how to add an entry
[16:06] <Amaranth> ActionParsnip: it's all done automatically via scripts
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> Amaranth: yeah in /etc/grub.d
[16:07] <Amaranth> ActionParsnip: os-prober isn't picking up the OS you're trying to add?
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> but the thing is..how
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> i think i found a guide
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[16:16] <tazd> anyone managed to get wireless working . 9.10 alpha4 wont even install the broadcom driver
[16:17] <ActionParsnip> tazd: sure did, worked out of the box as always
[16:17] <tazd> lucky u :) tried 2 wireless nics here and it dont use either. infact it een tells me wireless is disabled..
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> Atheros AR5001X+ works out of the box since gutsy when i started with ubuntu
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> i dont buy anything else, its none-sensical
[16:19] <rangel>  anyone managed to get Sony Ericsson MD300 working . 9.10 alpha4??? it worked on intrepid and jaunty
[16:20] <tazd> my other box with the atheros nic is fine but the broadcom built into the dell lappy dont work in 9.10 nor do the belikin usb adapters, but they work in 9.04 :(
[16:21] <bazookatooth> Karmic has really come a long ways in the last week or so
[16:21] <bazookatooth> Icing
[16:22] <penguin42> some of the nastier bugs seem to be settling out - I still have a few annoying ones though
[16:23] <BluesKaj> tazd, I have a belkin usb wifi working on this pc , but I'm using wicd network manager ...it's more reliable on my setup
[16:23] <penguin42> like, it's stopped screen locking on hibernate
[16:23] <BluesKaj> !info wicd | tazd
[16:24] <bazookatooth> My mighty mouse (Bluetooth) still doesn't work... That's annoying. But its worth it for the speed I feel like its gained. My CPU idles at 3% instead of the old 25-30%
[16:25] <tazd> BluesKaj cheers i'll drag the lappy to the router later and try it..
[16:25] <penguin42> bazookatooth: Is the bluetooth built in or ina  USB dongle?
[16:26] <bazookatooth> I think it had something to do with that 'exec-stack' pkg, but no way of really knowing.  penguin42: built in. Worked before.
[16:26] <penguin42> nod
[16:29] <shadeslayer> anyone who uses krecordmydesktop?
[16:29] <popey> shadeslayer: i use recordmydesktop without the gui..
[16:29] <popey> (on karmic)
[16:29] <shadeslayer> popey: hmm
[16:31] <shadeslayer> popey: can you run recordmydesktop in KDE?
[16:31] <shadeslayer> it gives me a buffer overrun....
[16:32] <popey> shadeslayer: no, i dont run kde, but i suspect i know what it is
[16:32] <shadeslayer> popey: can you tell me?
[16:32] <popey> i suspect it's an audio issue
[16:33] <popey> do you have multiple audio devices?
[16:33] <popey> sound card and usb headset?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> popey: so i should run it with --no-sound
[16:33] <shadeslayer> popey: i have soundcard
[16:33] <popey> you can try that, yes
[16:33] <popey> shadeslayer: cat you pastebin "cat /proc/asound/cards" please?
[16:34] <popey> recordmydesktop --width 1024 --height 768 --full-shots --fps 15 --channels 1 --device hw:0,0 -v_quality 63 -s_quality 10 -v_bitrate 2000000 --no-frame --no-cursor --delay 10
[16:34] <popey> thats what i do to record
[16:34] <shadeslayer> popey: http://pastebin.com/f521a3f51
[16:34] <shadeslayer> no buffer overuns
[16:34] <popey> try that command line
[16:34] <popey> it will record only the top left 1024x768 of your display
[16:35] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:35] <shadeslayer> i wanted to record the bkodama on my screen :P
[16:36] <popey> no idea what that is
[16:36] <djilks> Hey all! I have asus 701sd, just installed 9.10 alpha4, and wireless is a no go. There's no obvious "connect now" and I don't know a cli tool to make it connect like it should. See the network, just won't connect. Any ideas?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> popey: its a KDE widget ;)
[16:36] <popey> i think if you miss out --width and --height it records the whole screen
[16:36] <shadeslayer> !info plasma-widget-bkodama
[16:39] <xray7224> is anyone having problems with logout and gdm starting after logout and such
[16:39] <xray7224> when i try and log out and id expect gdm to start ? erm it doesn't
[16:51] <shadeslayer> where are the KDE devel libs installed?
[16:52] <djilks> Hey all! I have asus 701sd, just installed 9.10 alpha4, and wireless is a no go. There's no obvious "connect now" and I don't know a cli tool to make it connect like it should. Sees the network, just won't connect. Any ideas?
[16:54] <ajamison5579> is the 9.10 release the one that include Plymouth
[16:57] <nemo> hm. I think I'm going to take the plunge on my main desktop
[16:58] <nemo> Firefox 3.5.x is default in Karmic right?
[16:58] <nemo> getting tired of running firefox out of ~
[16:59] <natewiebe13> "firefox" starts 3.0 "firefox-3.5" starts 3.5
[17:00] <nemo> ah. so not default, but at least installed.
[17:00] <nemo> well. that's not so bad
[17:03] <natewiebe13> i think its planned to make 3.5 default
[17:04] <shadeslayer> djilks: have you tried nm-applet?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> no FF is default on alphas
[17:05] <IdleOne> oh BTW the UbuntuStore app I have been hearing about has a truly horrible name
[17:05] <djilks> shadeslayer, how do i kill the one kde starts up automatically?
[17:05] <IdleOne> implies I will have to pay for the apps
[17:05] <shadeslayer> djilks: if you have karmic koala,nm-applet is the default n/w manager
[17:06] <bjsnider> you will have to pay for some of it
[17:07] <d1b> bjsnider: yuck
[17:07] <djilks> shadeslayer, yeah, it sucks. no connect button. if it supposed to connect automatically, it's broken. sees wireless point, won't connect. Do i have to waive the mouse around to form a "C"?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> djilks: umm...just turn the wifi button on and right click the nm-applet
[17:09] <shadeslayer> djilks: and then,click on the network you want
[17:09] <djilks> shadeslayer, it is on. however, i kill -9 the mofo and restarted from the command line. Connected ... wait wait wait
[17:09] <djilks> shadeslayer, that's not the same applet
[17:10] <shadeslayer> djilks: which applet are you talking about?
[17:10] <djilks> shadeslayer, the KCM network management thingy was there. I killed THAT. you can't even right-click->quit that shit. Why's it start up after install?
[17:11] <djilks> shadeslayer, the nm-applet works fine. thanks for that. BUT wtf is up with it not starting up after install?
[17:11] <shadeslayer> djilks: just add a startup script....
[17:12] <BluesKaj> !language | djilks
[17:12] <djilks> shadeslayer, where? and how do i prevent the KCM module from starting up?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> djilks: if you have the command to kill KCM i can help you with the start up script
[17:14] <djilks> shadeslayer, what would be calling up the KCM module? It was up when I ran from the USB stick, still there after startup, up until i killed it a min ago
[17:15] <shadeslayer> djilks: you killed it by clicking on the x at the top?
[17:15] <djilks> shadeslayer, no, kill -9 PID
[17:16] <djilks> shadeslayer, there's no X, no quit, no ACTION about that thing. Just listed networks and wouldn't do anything.
[17:16] <shadeslayer> djilks: that kills just KCM right....
[17:17] <shadeslayer> djilks: go to K > system settings > advanced tab > autostart   and add the commands to start nm-applet and kill KCM
[17:21] <djilks> shadeslayer, um, okee thinks i did it. much thanks. :-)
[17:21] <shadeslayer> djilks: no problems
[17:22] <djilks> BluesKaj, :-P
[17:22] <djilks> lame
[17:22] <natewiebe13> agreed
[17:22] <natewiebe13> but i can see his point
[17:23] <natewiebe13> some people find language offencive, so the best way to please everyone is not to use it
[17:23] <BluesKaj> djilks, lame maybe, but those are the rules..i didn't make them and most agree to follow them
[17:23] <djilks> natewiebe13, or minding your own business.
[17:24] <natewiebe13> djilks: just showing that i agree, but that i can see why he said it
[17:25] <BluesKaj> djilks, if you don't like the rules fine, but you have to agree to follow them , if not, then you can take you curse euphamisms elsewhere
[17:28] <shadeslayer> hmmm.... powerdevil isnt starting any ideas? i think its due to the dbus upgrades
[17:29] <shadeslayer> !dbus
[17:34] <Pretto> how to disable ipv6 on karmic?
[17:36] <Abdullah9> any one , i need help
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Abdullah9: go ahead,were all ears
[17:37] <shadeslayer> btw i got power devil back up via the service manager
[17:37] <Abdullah9> i installed a rt2870 driver in my ubuntu . but it don't work
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Abdullah9: this driver is for...... and the problem you are facing is.....
[17:40] <Abdullah9> this drive for wifi adapter , and the problem is when i reboot the seystm ,nothing happend
[17:40] <shadeslayer> Abdullah9: have you tried modprobing it?
[17:41] <Abdullah9> ?
[17:41] <Abdullah9> modprobing ? what is that ?
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Abdullah9: modprobe loads the driver.....
[17:43] <Abdullah9> pls , how can i do that
[17:43] <Abdullah9> ?
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Abdullah9: modprobe driver_name
[17:43] <shadeslayer> in a konsole
[17:44] <Abdullah9> FATAL: Module rt2870 not found.
[17:44] <shadeslayer> Abdullah9: no you need the proper module name or the module itself to load it
[17:45] <shadeslayer> Abdullah9: do you have the module downloaded as a file?
[17:45] <cdE|Woozy> rt2870sta probably
[17:45] <Abdullah9> yes
[17:46] <shadeslayer> Abdullah9: then modprobe rt2870sta
[17:46] <Abdullah9> i traied rt2870sta
[17:46] <Abdullah9> FATAL: Error inserting rt2870sta (/lib/modules/2.6.28-15-generic/kernel/drivers/staging/rt2870/rt2870sta.ko): Operation not permitted
[17:46] <cdE|Woozy> sudo modprobe rt2870sta
[17:46] <shadeslayer> Abdullah9: use it with sudo
[17:47] <Abdullah9> WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper, it will be ignored in a future release.
[17:48] <shadeslayer> Abdullah9: now try lspci and see if you can find your wifi adapter
[17:50] <Abdullah9> i can't find it
[17:51] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:52] <Abdullah9> what you think
[17:53] <Pretto> shadeslayer, can you take a look  at http://paste.ubuntu.com/261529/ ??? i got this modem working on intrepid, jaunty but bot karmic
[17:53] <cankoy> Abdullah9: ifconfig -a
[17:53] <Pretto> s/bot/not/
[17:53] <cankoy> do you see a ra0 interface?
[17:54] <Abdullah9> no,
[17:55] <Abdullah9> there are : wlan0 rth0 pan0 lo wmaster0
[17:56] <cankoy> Abdullah9: do you have multiple wlan cards on this system?
[17:57] <cankoy> if not, then wlan0 is the interface
[17:57] <Abdullah9> yes
[17:58] <Abdullah9> i have on in the laptop
[17:58] <Abdullah9> but its very low
[18:01] <alteregoa> why in nautilus the icons are so insanely wide?
[18:01] <alteregoa> the distance btw the icons is a waste of space
[18:01] <Pretto> any help?
[18:07] <alteregoa> el abdullah
[18:10] <Pretto> no udev master here that would help?
[18:10] <Pretto> i really need to make that modem work :(
[18:10] <luis_lopez> hi, quick question: how do I enable xsplash on karmic? I installed the package but no luck...
[18:15] <cdE|Woozy> luis_lopez, what gdm version do you have? if xsplash is installed, it should be called from /etc/gdm/Init/Default and /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default
[18:16] <KDesk> hi, do you know any amarok git repo?
[18:16] <Pretto> can anyone take a look  at http://paste.ubuntu.com/261529/ ??? i got this modem working on intrepid, jaunty but not on karmic
[18:20] <penguin42> Pretto: Sounds like it needs bugreporting either way, if it used to work and then broke; sorry I don't have any experience of debugging them
[18:20] <Pretto> penguin42, thank you anyway
[18:25] <alteregoa> eh
[18:26] <alteregoa> whats a serif monospace font?
[18:26] <alteregoa> i need that now
[18:26] <alteregoa> without the serifs
[18:26] <alteregoa> like helvetica monospace
[18:30] <shadeslayer> has anyone got the usb-creator to work?
[18:44] <shadeslayer> hullo
[18:44] <penguin42> hello?
[18:44] <shadeslayer> i need to get usb-creator to work :P
[19:00] <fixxxermet> Anyone using 9.10 with a Latitude D520?  I'm trying to configure my xorg.conf file but don't know which driver to use.  i915 and i810 do not seem to exist on my system
[19:00] <Lunis> I decided to upgrade to karmic. karmic has a bug that fails catastrophically concerning usb devices. my hard drive that i boot from is usb. there's no fixing this. i can get into single-user mode on an older kernel, so i can use dpkg, apt, etc. how can i force a sort of "dist-downgrade", so i don't have to reinstall completely?
[19:03] <penguin42> Lunis: downgrading a distribution is normally a no-go
[19:04] <Lunis> penguin42: i know, but that doesn't mean that it _can't_ be done
[19:04] <penguin42> fixxxermet: intel is the one you want if it's intel graphics; which one do you actually have - you shouldn't need to create an xorg.conf at all
[19:04] <penguin42> Lunis: probably true; but I'm not sure it's going to be any easier than working around the USB disc issue
[19:04] <fixxxermet> penguin42: I am using 'intel' right now, after installing the xserver-xorg-video-intel package.
[19:05] <penguin42> fixxxermet: Yep that should do it
[19:05] <fixxxermet> Hmm.  OK.
[19:05] <fixxxermet> I guess I don't need to 'options i915 modeset=1' modprobe
[19:05] <penguin42> no
[19:06] <fixxxermet> Why do you say that I shouldn't need to create an xorg.conf file?
[19:07] <Lunis> penguin42: i'd love to do that, but i can't figure any way to do it. the bug report seems to have been more or less abandoned, and there's no real fix
[19:08] <Lunis> penguin42: and there's not usually anyone around here with the time and knowledge to help me work through it
[19:09] <penguin42> Lunis: Since I don't have experience of this bug the best I can suggest is a reinstall - I doubt a downgrade is the right thing to do
[19:09] <penguin42> <food has landed - bbs>
[19:09] <Lunis> penguin42: i'd venture to say that a downgrade is never the right thing to do xD
[19:15] <yofel> hey folks, back from vacation :)
[19:24] <RagnarokAngel> Hmm, this probably isn't the correct channel to be asking about android/ubuntu app compatibility in is it?
[19:26] <shadeslayer> hi anyone willing to help me out on usb-creator-kde?
[19:26] <alteregoa> compiz still deosnt wurg
[19:27] <alteregoa> i ding ids somedink nasby
[19:27] <yofel> shadeslayer: what's your problem?
[19:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: when i choose the iso it abruptly crashes and tells me to see the log file
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[19:37] <guntbert> shadeslayer: first thing that comes to my mind: are you certain that the iso is ok?
[19:38] <RagnarokAngel> Is Binder enabled in the current kernel/
[19:39] <shadeslayer> guntbert: yep
[19:39] <shadeslayer> guntbert: i used it to install 9.10 ;)
[19:39] <yofel> guntbert: you're suffering from bug 420155 I guess
[19:39] <yofel> err... shadeslayer: ^^
[19:40] <guntbert> shadeslayer: ok then - it was just an idea - ah yofel :-)
[19:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: its usb-creator-kde
[19:42] <shadeslayer> i guess the problem lies in usb-creator-common
[19:43] <yofel> shadeslayer: as told in the bug the problem lies in a not implemented functionality in the devicekit-backend that is used sincd usb-creator 0.2.3
[19:43] <yofel> *since
[19:43] <shadeslayer> ah...
[19:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you have more info on the bug? (when itll be resolved and such?)
[19:47] <yofel> nope, sorry
[19:48] <shadeslayer> hmm... i really wish itll be resolved by monday...
[21:25] <aboSamoor> does anyone know if globalmenu available in the repo ?
[21:27] <penguin42> aboSamoor: apt-cache search globalmenu doesn't find anything
[21:27] <shadeslayer> !info globalmenu
[21:27] <shadeslayer> nope....
[21:28] <aboSamoor> shadeslayer, penguin42  this is weird ! it was there in jaunty and I thought that it gets more users !
[21:29] <shadeslayer> hehe....
[21:29] <shadeslayer> !info globalmenu jaunty
[21:29] <shadeslayer> aboSamoor: lol
[21:30] <aboSamoor> shadeslayer, o_O
[21:30] <aboSamoor> !info gnome-globalmenu jaunty
[21:31] <arvind_khadri> !find globalmenu jaunty
[21:31] <arvind_khadri> !find globalmenu karmic
[21:32] <shadeslayer> i guess motu didnt package it
[21:32] <shadeslayer> yet
[22:11] <shadeslayer_> hmm
[22:15] <BUGabundo> hi
[22:15] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, how old is that laptop?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> rolling
[22:16] <BUGabundo> much less use now that I spend most of my time on my HTC Magic, android powered bjsnider
[22:16] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, yes but for arguments sake how old is it?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> laptop?
[22:16] <bjsnider> yes
[22:17] <BUGabundo> 16 months old
[22:17] <BUGabundo> why?
[22:17] <bjsnider> purchased in april 2008
[22:17] <bjsnider> and it has an nvidia 8k m chip
[22:18]  * penguin42 thinks this guy is about 2.5 years now
[22:18] <penguin42> yeh, /lost+found is dated April 07
[22:19] <shadeslayer> heh
[22:19]  * shadeslayer is testing out the new pirc widget....
[22:20] <penguin42> what's a pirc?
[22:20] <shadeslayer> penguin42 its a IRC widget
[22:20] <shadeslayer> for KDE
[22:21] <penguin42> ah, for when you desperately need to embed irc in a random other app?
[22:21] <shadeslayer> penguin42 its not an app...... its a widget
[22:22] <penguin42> oh, when you mean widget you mean thingy that sits on the background as opposed to a widget that's used as part of an app?
[22:22] <shadeslayer> yep
[22:22] <penguin42> ah right
[22:22] <shadeslayer> i practically do everything via widgets..... i hardly open anything :P
[22:22] <shadeslayer> s/anything/app
[22:24] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: more around march
[22:24] <BUGabundo> soooo some one put me to speed
[22:24] <BUGabundo> what discussion is this?
[22:25] <penguin42> there doesn't seem to have been one
[22:26] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, that's one of the ones charlie demerjian says is faulty
[22:27] <BUGabundo> my 8400mG ?
[22:27] <bjsnider> in other words there's a high probability that it will fail catastrophically
[22:27] <bjsnider> yes
[22:27] <BUGabundo> that can't run vpdau?
[22:27] <bjsnider> yes
[22:27] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:27] <BUGabundo> great
[22:27] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:27] <bjsnider> well that could be a partial failure related to this
[22:28] <bjsnider> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1004378/why-nvidia-chips-defective
[22:28] <bjsnider> however, as much evidence as charlie seems to have, i'm not sure i buy it
[22:28] <bjsnider> he seems to be an anti-nvidia troll
[22:29] <bjsnider> and i cannot believe apple would continue to pick nvidia over ati if their stuff was really junk
[22:41] <DSn0wMan> just installed 9.10, but it's not using the right video drive. How can I change it from mesa to radeon?
[22:44] <bjsnider> mesa is not a video driver
[22:46] <DSn0wMan> Maybe it's vesa or whatever the generic one is. I really need to change it to radeon, but without xorg.conf I am lost.
[22:50] <DSn0wMan> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 (RV380 5460) 20090101 x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL
[22:50] <DSn0wMan> $ lspci | grep VGA
[22:50] <DSn0wMan> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300]
[22:50] <DSn0wMan> Not sure why desktop effects don't work
[22:51] <bjsnider> check lsmod
[22:51] <DSn0wMan> which module will I be looking for?
[22:52] <bjsnider> radeon
[22:53] <DSn0wMan> $ lsmod | grep radeon
[22:53] <DSn0wMan> radeon                635968  2
[22:53] <DSn0wMan> ttm                    36212  1 radeon
[22:53] <DSn0wMan> drm                   159584  5 radeon,ttm,i915
[22:53] <DSn0wMan> i2c_algo_bit            5760  2 radeon,i915
[22:53] <bjsnider> i915?
[22:53] <bjsnider> that's odd
[22:53] <DSn0wMan> yes, it looks like radeon and intel all in one
[22:55] <genii> bjsnider: That IS odd. I had the same i915 driver loaded after install which messed up my screen until I removed it and installed the right nvidia one
[22:55] <bjsnider> i think DanaG had the same  problem too, and there is a bug report for it
[22:57] <polter> how do I make KMail display messages in HTML format by default?
[22:57] <DSn0wMan> Is there something particular I should search for on launchpad?
[22:57] <bjsnider> it would be better if he was here right now, but he ain't. probably out surfing or some damn thing
[22:58] <bjsnider> you know those cal poly guys
[22:58] <fatal> My laptop has started to suspend as soon as I unplug/plug the power.... anyone got any hints on how to track down what's causing the suspend instead of continue running on batteries?
[22:59] <BUGabundo> pointer left :(
[22:59] <BUGabundo> I had the anwser
[22:59] <BUGabundo> ohh polter
[22:59] <polter> ?
[22:59] <BUGabundo> darn nicks with chars that reseamled other
[22:59] <BUGabundo> :)
[22:59] <BUGabundo> polter: let me open kmail
[23:00] <BUGabundo> you can set it on settings, but it's a BAD thing :)
[23:00] <BUGabundo> you can also set per account/folder
[23:00] <polter> that might be true :)
[23:00] <polter> but I'll risk it. I'll take a walk on the wild side
[23:02] <BUGabundo> settings->configure
[23:02] <polter> I have set it to prefer HTML but it still doesn't ;)
[23:02] <BUGabundo> Security
[23:02] <BUGabundo> HTML
[23:02] <BUGabundo> humm no??
[23:02] <polter> nope
[23:03] <polter> I have to click the HTML file in attachments
[23:03] <BUGabundo> what does View->Fixed font says?
[23:03] <BUGabundo> or Folder->Prefer HTML ?
[23:04] <polter> no fixed font, and prefer HTML is enabled
[23:05] <polter> I asked in #kde if it's broken
[23:07] <BUGabundo> try #kontac
[23:07] <BUGabundo> and file a bug on LP and link up to bugs.kde.org
[23:08] <BUGabundo> either use kmail->Help->report or ubuntu-bug kdepim
[23:10] <polter> yeah I'll try reporting it.. I might not do it right now though. I'm really tired. Thanks for your help anyway
[23:10] <BUGabundo> np
[23:27] <bcurtiswx> hey, anyone know how to change which kernel is loaded by default on GRUB2
[23:28]  * penguin42 really should upgrade to GRUB2 so I can understand how it works
[23:29] <yofel> bcurtiswx: use 'GRUB_DEFAULT' in /etc/default/grub
[23:29] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: where's billybigrigger when we need him?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> :D
[23:29] <BUGabundo> or yofel. hi compadre
[23:29] <yofel> other than that see the wiki page
[23:29]  * bcurtiswx puts duct tape on BUGabundos fingers
[23:29] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[23:30]  * BUGabundo tears tape with teeth.
[23:30] <BUGabundo> hey dude what's that for ?
[23:30] <bcurtiswx> im in a jeftful mood
[23:30] <bcurtiswx> in /etc/default/grub its set to 0
[23:31] <bcurtiswx> how do I pick which kernel is set to default?
[23:31] <yofel> bcurtiswx: yup, that means the default is the first one in the list
[23:32] <yofel> set it to 'kernel_you_want_position_in_list - 1'
[23:32] <yofel> afaik grub2 doesn't know savedefault yet
[23:33] <penguin42> http://grub.enbug.org/Manual is the grub2 manual - fairly readable
[23:35] <BUGabundo> what would it take to get statusnet deb (former Laconica, Identica software) into karmic now that we are past FF?
[23:36] <stlsaint> anyone else have issues with compiz and enabling desktop effects
[23:36] <BUGabundo> nope
[23:36] <BUGabundo> nvidia working fine here
[23:37] <penguin42> stlsaint: It decided my Intel 945 wasn't usable for desktop effects and declined to turn it on
[23:37] <stlsaint> see i have a nvidia also and its not working at all
[23:38] <stlsaint> i cant enable desktop effects nor can i use any proprietary drivers...granted its thru a vm
[23:38] <stlsaint> but vbox should just pull what my host is using right?
[23:38] <bcurtiswx> yofel: what you said is confusing.. idk what to do still
[23:38] <penguin42> oh, a vm is unlikely to see the nvidia stuff
[23:38] <penguin42> that's a whole different kettle of fish
[23:39] <stlsaint> im not understanding why tho...whats the hold up on it
[23:39] <genii> vm creates virtual hardware
[23:39] <penguin42> stlsaint: vbox won't use nvidia drivers within the vm, I'm not sure vbox even does accelerated 3d, if it does that will be vbox specific drivers
[23:39] <stlsaint> so what driver is it using...
[23:40] <stlsaint> whoa...i feel slow...i knew that but was so mad about karmic that i did think about that...
[23:40] <BUGabundo> penguin42: newer vbox has 3D
[23:40] <stlsaint> virtual hardware...
[23:40] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Oh cool
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> yofel: ohh i get it
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> that was a "minus 1" at the end
[23:40] <stlsaint> yea it does but i have to install additional guest which is not a prob...you think that will fix it
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> because its zerod
[23:40] <yofel> bcurtiswx: exactly
[23:42]  * penguin42 wonders what the advantages of grub2 are
[23:43] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: lol
[23:43] <bcurtiswx> hey no mocking me :P
[23:43] <bcurtiswx> brb
[23:43] <BUGabundo> penguin42: full disk LVM ?
[23:43] <BUGabundo> boot from iso?
[23:43] <penguin42> how does boot from iso work?
[23:43] <BUGabundo> no idea
[23:43] <BUGabundo> haven't tested yet
[23:44] <penguin42> full disk lvm does sound vaguely useful
[23:44] <stlsaint> curious about lvm...
[23:44] <penguin42> stlsaint: It's quite powerful but takes a bit of getting used to
[23:44] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:44] <BUGabundo> a bit??
[23:45] <BUGabundo> that's the understatement of the day
[23:45] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Trust me, out of the various volume management systems I've seen on various OSs, lvm is not the worst
[23:46]  * Twigaathy uses straight partitions everywhere, and maybe raid on top of those. Didn't like the look of overcomplicating things and adding an extra level of potention failure with LVM...
[23:46] <stlsaint> where can i get extensive read up on grub2
[23:46] <penguin42> yeh, it's overkill for most systems; I had to get used to it since it's RHELs default
[23:46] <penguin42> stlsaint: http://grub.enbug.org/Manual
[23:47] <BUGabundo> Twigaathy: partitions are *evil*
[23:48] <Twigaathy> BUGabundo: you just use full disks?
[23:48] <BUGabundo> if I can
[23:48] <BUGabundo> swap on file is evean
[23:48] <BUGabundo> *if* it worked :)
[23:48] <Twigaathy> crikey
[23:49] <Twigaathy> no, I like partitions. Means I can do all kinds of neat tricks like having 1 disk part of 2 raid groups (2 partitions) c_c
[23:49] <stlsaint> thanks penguin42
[23:49] <penguin42> lvm can be nice in some cases; especially because you can resize partitions live
[23:50] <BUGabundo> penguin42: s/resize/grow/
[23:50] <andresmujica> i cannot imagine a server without LVM....
[23:51] <penguin42> BUGabundo: True I guess - although I thought it let you shrink? Not that most filesystems let you do that
[23:51] <BUGabundo> right
[23:51] <bcurtiswx> yofel: bzzt doesn't work
[23:51] <BUGabundo> its a mess to shrink it
[23:52] <BUGabundo> unmount VG , redo table part, resize VL, reduce FS, check FS, mount
[23:52] <penguin42> it's nice being able to grow VMs in some cases though
[23:53] <andresmujica> shrink: lvreduce, resize2fs, done.  grow: lvresize, resize2fs, done.  no need to mount/umount
[23:54] <penguin42> andresmujica: resize2fs first
[23:54] <penguin42> (to shrink)
[23:56] <andresmujica> right right... i don't shrink them a lot really..
[23:57] <BUGabundo> eheehe
[23:57] <penguin42> the real pain with lvm is rescue discing stuff - it's not as bad these days
[23:57] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo: look at my most recent message
[23:57] <BUGabundo> would be nice to see the LVM shrink *before* the volume :)
[23:57] <bcurtiswx> bcurtiswx: yofel: bzzt doesn't work
[23:57] <BUGabundo> I m looking
[23:58] <bcurtiswx> i even pasted it :P
[23:58] <andresmujica> but with a /etc/lvm backup you can rescue your LVM most of the time..
[23:58] <billybigrigger> afternoon all
[23:58] <yofel> bcurtiswx: was afk for a moment, sry
[23:58] <yofel> works here tough o.O
[23:59] <yofel> hi billybigrigger
[23:59] <penguin42> andresmujica: Oh, I've never done that - I normally find with the commands it can find itself
[23:59] <billybigrigger> yofel, sup
[23:59] <bcurtiswx> i made it 7, because the one i wanted was 8th down
[23:59] <bcurtiswx> and it still highlighted the top
[23:59] <andresmujica> penguin42: the metadata is there, the trick is to assign the original uuid to the PV,VG,LV and you -almost always- are ready to go :)