[00:00] connex: I wouldn't be surprised if you needed to bring up a bunch of other stuff first, dbus at a guess and maybe all the stuff that handles sessions [00:00] Neonexus: no kidding.. they only gave us a new splash that doesnt even work right [00:00] some of the examples on utube was amazing [00:01] real or mockups? [00:01] mockups [00:02] nate u know anything about firestarter? [00:03] nope [00:03] dbus is running. [00:03] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jkocGPBqhc <--- how does his splash work properly? [00:05] my splash do that to [00:05] Its still pretty lame! [00:05] really? its supposed to be bugged [00:05] lol....plenty of other buggs [00:05] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1mJlc6yxvQ [00:05] like that [00:06] thats how mine looks at least [00:07] simba_: thats what is is supposed to look like ^ [00:08] am i the only one with the throbber moving vertically instead of horizontally? [00:08] mine does that too [00:08] okay [00:08] good.. im not the only one [00:09] I get that as well - vertical [00:09] simba_: yours moves horizontally and not vertically? [00:09] it looks erm odd [00:09] yeah.. and in the first video.. that guy's works [00:10] anyone know how? [00:11] * penguin42 guesses it's some combination of graphics driver and phase of the moon [00:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/420217 [00:13] Launchpad bug 420217 in xsplash "There are 51 frames in xsplash-throbber.png" [Low,New] [00:13] looks like xsplash-throbber.png was made wrong [00:14] or you need to change the amount of frames and recompile.. that probably what the other guy did [00:14] i'll try it tomorrow and release a .deb for a temporary fix [00:14] * penguin42 is left wondering why it need pre-rendering [00:18] has anyone elses firestarter stopped logging firewall events? [00:20] penguin42: just got the source.. the throbber has 51 frames.. and the xsplash config calls for 50 frames.. thats why its glitching [00:20] im at home and have no karmic, otherwise id recompile it right now [00:21] ah, but still, I don't quite understand why it doesn't just draw the throbber there and then rather than pull it in from pics [00:21] my guess is its using transparency and a gaussian blur.. most video cards cant render it that fast [00:22] Is there any GRUB load option for vga=### which would do 1920x1080 ? [00:22] genii: possibly with KMS [00:22] natewiebe13: It's only tiny [00:22] thats the best way to have it look good and still be smooth on onboard video and old cards [00:22] still [00:22] genii: I think the vga= only does stuff your video bios knows [00:22] genii: there is an option for that [00:22] i'll find it [00:23] anyone having issues with GRUB2? [00:23] Cool, thanks [00:23] I keep getting a failed to boot because of device ID something or other [00:23] have to delete the line search ...... [00:28] genii: i cant remember, but there was a file and all it had in it was x=1440 y=900 [00:29] and it was for grub [00:29] genii: if i was on my karmic computer at work i could find it [00:30] im not going to get on it until tomorrow [00:30] No worries [00:30] metacity keeps crashing on me [00:30] error in pulse/context.c [00:31] genii: i can let you know tomorrow [00:31] is that a known problem? [00:32] maccam94: Not sure. Couldn't find it on the Karmic known issues list. But for me, the splash screen is like a teensy thing in the middle [00:33] natewiebe13: I'd appreciate it and I'll be here [00:33] genii: i'm talking about the metacity crash [00:33] maccam94: Ah... no idea === mphill is now known as mphill[A] [01:04] has anyone here figured out how to change the torrent application in chromium? [01:04] * billybigrigger hasn't [01:04] and it's bugging me [01:17] is it possible to make the kde 4.3 "report bug" feature work as intended in karamic, instead of using the apport thingy? [01:31] why my rule that worked on jaunty does not work on karmic [01:32] what changed in udev? [01:33] without knowing what the rule is... [01:35] dtchen http://paste.ubuntu.com/261228/ [01:36] dtchen it is md300 modem that works like a storage device too, so ubuntu only recognizes it like usb storage divice [01:37] dtchen i have used that rule since intrepid, but now it doesnt work on karmic [01:38] SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0fce", ATTRS{idProduct}=="d0cf", PROGRAM="/bin/sh -c 'echo 3 > /sys/%p/device/bConfigurationValue'" [01:39] dtchen i will try, thank you [01:41] x1250: I filed bug 420578 regarding the pulseaudio problem we were talking about last night. you said this happened to you too - so please jump into the discussion if you have anything to add [01:41] Launchpad bug 420578 in pulseaudio "Karmic: PCM volume (as seen in alsamixer) "stuck" at 100% with pulseaudio enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420578 [01:42] mpontillo: it's probably a codec-specific bug, but you'll need to move PA out of the equation to test [01:43] i.e., verify that ALSA is fine without it and that you need to tweak the profiles for PA [01:43] dtchen: I have - when I take pulseaudio out of the picture, I can adjust the volume. as soon as I turn it back on, it's locked in place at 100% [01:43] interesting, i don't have that symptom [01:44] right, I saw your comments. I am using a system upgraded from Jaunty. maybe I should try a USB key at some point to see if it happens on a fresh install [01:44] yes but you're using a different sound card i'd bet [01:45] mpontillo: can you try killall pulseaudio;mv ~/.pulse ~/.pulse.bak [01:46] dtchen: oh, I already tried that. I was more worried about the files in /etc. though they should be fine since I never modified them under Jaunty(--) [01:49] (in fact, I followed the directions in bug 410446 and removed ~/.pulse_cookie as well) [01:49] Launchpad bug 410446 in pulseaudio "[regression] karmic: pulseaudio doesn't remember last volume, sets to 0 every boot" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410446 [01:50] mpontillo: ok, so you probably want to look at /usr/share/pulseaudio/alsa-mixer/paths/analog-output* [01:50] something weird is afoot. my intel 965gm is freezing like a mf. it was fine, and then i had to do a re-install with alpha3 cd (didn't format), now it's unstable. seems odd. [01:51] oh yeah, this reminds me... I still need to report my issues with the USB sound card. [01:52] And I still have that udev "device does not exist" issue. [01:53] it's known [01:53] The udev one? Cool. [01:53] if you can get pulseaudio -vvvv attached, that would help [01:54] dtchen: thanks; I'm checking it out but I'm not really sure what I'm looking at. it looks like a default config. I don't see anything in there that should obviously cause my problem [01:54] Is there an existing report to attach it to? [01:55] mpontillo: IF it turns out not to be a codec (driver) issue, you may try changing the volume = merge [01:56] dtchen: the pulseaudio -vvvv output is a bit interesting. has some clues on where to look in the code, potentially. I'll attach it. [01:57] ugh, have to reboot -- I got an oops. [01:58] dtchen no success? [01:58] :( [01:58] dtchen i got the same result [02:00] Pretto: is /sys/%p/device/bConfigurationValue valid? [02:00] (assuming %p is substituted appropriately) [02:00] dtchen it was since intrepid [02:01] hey guys [02:01] can you try with udevadm trigger, then? [02:01] dtchen to be honest i dont know the value of that, but worked on intrepid and jaunty [02:02] i'll be back later [02:02] anyone else would help? [02:02] has anyone else noticed that karmic (with all current updates) doesn't shutdown or restart properly anymore? [02:03] it just freezes with a _ blinking [02:03] (and kinda like a 4-way split screen thing going on too, cos there's four of the same things, but as in their in their own windows) [02:04] is there a ppa for this new skype release? [02:04] if not maybe i'll throw it into mine [02:06] HazRPG1: yeah I have the same issue. if I hit control-alt-F8 while it's happening, I can see that it's waiting for all processes to terminate... [02:11] okay, I got a vvvv log, but now it's taking ages to pastebin it. [02:11] 2243 lines. [02:12] =þ [02:12] Hey all. [02:12] Question, what kernel are you guys sending out now for karmic? [02:13] Linux EliteBook 2.6.31-8-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Thu Aug 27 14:42:57 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux [02:13] that's what I've got. [02:14] DanaG: compiled yourself or pulled from the alpha builds? [02:14] It's the one from the repos. [02:14] good [02:14] would you do me one last favor please? [02:14] check your /lib/modules in kernel/drivers/net to see if you have the atl1c dir/module [02:15] not atl1 or atl1e or atl1x, but atl1c [02:15] thanks beforehand :) [02:15] linux-image-2.6.31-8-generic: /lib/modules/2.6.31-8-generic/kernel/drivers/net/atl1c/atl1c.ko [02:15] perfect! [02:15] dpkg -S gives that. [02:15] Ok then I'll take the plunge [02:15] I'm going karmic alpha [02:15] Just watch out: preceding kernel version rendered LVM unbootable. [02:15] can jaunty be dist-upgrade ed into karmic? [02:15] Not using lvm [02:15] Be prepared to run into these sorts of issues -- and have backups. =þ [02:16] I've used alphas before. [02:16] and this is on a netbook so it might get worse [02:16] Lars_G, run update-manager -d via alt-f2 [02:16] but I want to have my nic working as well :P [02:16] !karmic [02:16] Karmic Koala is the codename for Ubuntu 9.10, due October 2009 - Karmic WILL break - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [02:16] bah [02:16] hmm, might wanna go to console and do-release-upgrade instead? [02:16] Lars_G, you should read the release notes if your going to take the plunge [02:16] do-release-upgrade eh [02:17] thats new to me :P [02:17] billybigrigger: Well years ago I used to live on the edge on all my distros. [02:17] Bonus points if you run it in 'screen'. [02:17] :=þ [02:17] I always run it in screen [02:17] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4 [02:17] it's on my .bashrc [02:17] I forget stuff running so ofter I placed it there. so I can reattach from home [02:17] billybigrigger: will do [02:19] wow lots of huge changes in karmic [02:19] heh normally there's small "we have newer version of xxx" changes [02:19] but, ext4 default, hal is deprecated, new inter driver, wow [02:19] grub2 by default [02:20] wow! [02:21] this is so big I'm thinking I might want to get and install the remix from scratch [02:21] I'd like to be on ext4 and grub2 [02:21] I guess those ain't pulled with a dist-upgrade [02:23] Don't go! [02:26] Is there no user provided or something, .img image for the netbook remix of alpha4? [02:26] I kinda misstrust burning an iso to pendrive [02:39] mpontillo: does that mean something isn't shutting down properly === HazRPG1 is now known as HazRPG [03:06] How to download gwibber's 2.0 branch with bzr? [03:11] My sound is retarded. [03:12] I heard the first split second of the sound and then it goes blank. [03:12] And I don't hear anything for a while again. [03:24] hello people [03:24] :) [03:31] Now, if I go ahead and plunge on the alpha, I can update with new packages as they're pushed, right? [03:33] meow [03:33] meow [03:33] Lars_G, if you have the right repos in your sources.list , yes [03:33] thanks BluesKaj [03:34] where can I get the list of the right repos? [03:34] !karmic [03:34] Karmic Koala is the codename for Ubuntu 9.10, due October 2009 - Karmic WILL break - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [03:35] !repository [03:35] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories [03:35] thank you [03:38] Lars_G,and here , http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4 [03:39] doing home now, be well all. === Lars_G is now known as Lars_G_zombie [04:14] mythtv , is a steep learning curve for a linux starter app [04:18] dtchen http://paste.ubuntu.com/261277/ [04:19] dtchen still not able to use the modem [04:20] dtchen: my pulseaudio log of hotplugging USB sound card: http://pastebin.ca/1546618 [04:22] DanaG: with 1:0.9.16~test6-38-g8bf2-0ubuntu1~ubuntuaudiodev1, correct? [04:22] I: main.c: This is PulseAudio 0.9.16-test6-30-g300384 [04:23] 38-g8bf2-0ubuntu1~ubuntuaudiodev1 built some thirty minutes ago [04:23] ah, I'll check for updates right now. [04:26] Pretto: oh, sorry, brainfart on my part [04:27] Pretto: s/PROGRAM/RUN+=/ [04:27] oh yeah, that reminds me... something in udev broke the Xilinx USB JTAG cable. [04:27] It used to use a "$TEMPNODE" variable, that now no longer exists. [04:27] I had to change it to $env{devname} [04:28] dtchen :D i've changed the modem-switch rule using that, no success at all too [04:28] Pretto: are you positive your path is valid? [04:28] dtchen yes [04:29] do you absolutely need to invoke it with /bin/sh ? [04:29] DanaG: udev moves pretty quickly, (un)fortunately [04:30] Particularly bad for closed-source stuff like that WinDriver. [04:30] dtchen that is the problem, i only know that it worked on intrepid and jaunty, and did an echo %p to a file that results in an empty file [04:32] Pretto: it's not really "empty", since sysfs is (like proc) a pseudo-fs [04:32] Pretto: what happens if you insert the device and run the echo command manually? [04:32] there are all sorts of things that could be happening- race condition, etc. [04:32] dtchen i mean, is the %p like a variable? [04:33] Pretto: well, that's a completely different matter, but yes, that's another thing to debug- whether %p is valid at that point [04:34] dtchen that is what i meant, i tryied to echo %p to a file in the rule, but got an empty file [04:34] Pretto: ah! then %p is undefined [04:35] what was %p supposed to be in the original? [04:35] dtchen i think it will have the devpath value [04:36] dtchen just guessing [04:37] i really think that path is invalid in Karmic [04:37] dtchen how can i debug it? [04:41] Pretto: then pass devpath [04:42] because %p clearly is wrong [04:43] dtchen hehhehhe... if i guessed right, devpath would work [04:44] dtchen i will try that... brb === arvind_k is now known as arvind_khadri [04:44] e.g., RUN+="/bin/sh -c 'echo 3 > /sys/$env{DEVPATH}/bConfigurationValue'" [04:45] have you tried that? [04:45] dtchen no [04:45] will try it now [04:45] dtchen let me boot on karmic again [04:59] dtchen: hi... regarding Bug #411274 ,I tried turning off shm , but still memory keeps increasing , is there any other info that needs to be added? [04:59] Launchpad bug 411274 in pulseaudio "Pulsaeaudio hogs memory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411274 [05:06] My sound is retarded. [05:06] And I don't hear anything for a while again. [05:06] I heard the first split second of the sound and then it goes blank. [05:06] Those last two should be switched in order. [05:08] Any suggestions? [05:10] dtchen: updated bug 420578. setting volume = ignore where it was volume = merge in analog-output.conf works around the issue [05:10] Launchpad bug 420578 in pulseaudio "Karmic: PCM volume (as seen in alsamixer) "stuck" at 100% with pulseaudio enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420578 [05:13] I found out the problem. [05:13] It plays sound at 100% volume, then brings back down to my requested volume. [05:13] This is stupid. [05:23] can somebody who's using a 32 bit system tell me which package is providing libXi.so.6? [05:25] x11 [05:26] libx11? [05:28] xorg x11 [05:28] damn google it [05:28] i did [05:28] !find libXi.so.6 [05:28] File libXi.so.6 found in ia32-libs, libxi6, libxi6-dbg [05:29] spank you very much [05:45] I see that packagekit-gnome is installed for Karmic; can't this be a dep of ubuntu-desktop instead of update-manager? [05:45] It is obviously better. [05:46] As well as software-properties-gtk. [05:47] And gnome-app-install. [05:47] We don't need two versions of the same thing. [06:14] Anyone here able to help me? I'm running Karmic and have a ton of packages being held back [06:16] i just made them install one by one with sudo apt-get install [06:16] i ran into that [06:16] how ya doing glen [06:16] gletob: try dist-upgrade [06:17] bucky: you screwed up, dude. A lot of those packages were deps and are now pulled in as manually installed. [06:17] Why does grub-pc try to remove grub? [06:18] Sorry I slipped away for a second. [06:18] MindVirus1, I did it try to remove some stuff that I don't want removed [06:19] Can I just copy and paste the stuff that it removes into apt-get install? [06:19] MindVirus1, grub-pc is the new grub... grub [06:19] MindVirus1, Btw I think the grub-pc package is grub2 [06:19] gletob: it's grub-pc. [06:19] for some reason it never tries to update that on my system.. and it's just as well with me [06:20] bucky: I know, but the guide says to upgrade from grub, install grub-pc and it won't touch grub. [06:20] Should I chance it? [06:20] Pull it up in synaptic: GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version) [06:20] i don't like grub2 because it doesn't like ext4 [06:21] MindVirus1, it add a entry into grub to chainload grub 2 [06:21] and people like all the latest crap like that and run into a brick wall [06:21] gletob: it removes grub though. [06:21] I tried it but didn't like the way it works. [06:22] gletob: grub2 is a dummy package. [06:22] MindVirus1, i never issued a dist-upgrade on my system [06:22] MindVirus1, read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing [06:23] MindVirus1, i used update-manager -d which is better [06:23] gletob: I am, trust me. [06:23] bucky: if you had packages being held back then dist-upgrade would have fixed it. [06:23] dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade your distribution. [06:23] oh really [06:23] Aye. [06:24] On A side note how do you upgrade a server install when a new release comes out? [06:24] i know why it held mine back.. i used aptitude why and aptitude why-not [06:25] gletob update-manager -d [06:25] What does "elevator=noop" mean? [06:26] bucky, keyword: Server Meaning: No Gui [06:26] oh crap it's holding python-launchpadlib back [06:27] I really need to update though I'd really like to stop using alsamixer to control volume. [06:28] you guys have been using linux for six weeks and you already know everything.. why bother asking [06:31] ungh, sound juicer has been saving files as '1 - Foo', not '01 - Foo' [06:44] I don't have update-from-grub-legacy. [06:44] Someone help me find it. [06:47] Typing it in wrong. Oops. [06:47] MindVirus1, aptitude hold grub [06:47] need help guys [06:47] bucky: it was supposed to be upgrade, not update. [06:48] i need help [06:48] with my wifi card [06:48] wifi adapter [06:48] acutally i installed update-manager-core and sudo do-release-upgrade [06:48] Abdullah9, is this on a new install or an upgrade? [06:50] look , i have a wifi adapter that use rt2870 driver , but when i plug it in the USB port , nothing happend [06:50] ! [06:54] Abdullah9, you need the rt2870 driver [06:55] i think it's in linux-restricted-modules-generic if you have the latest kernel if not you need linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` [06:55] and i'd install linux-restricted-modules-common too [06:56] then modinfo rt2870 to make sure you got it and sudo modprobe rt2870 [06:56] i am new in ubuntu [06:57] Abdullah9: you shouldn't have started with Karmic. [06:57] look to this site : [06:57] http://www.apfelkraut.org/2009/02/howto-wlan-ralink-rt2870-usb-stick-kubuntu-810/ [06:57] i am stuck in the 4th step [06:58] the thing that i coludn't understand is " sudo make " and " sudo make install " [06:59] Abdullah9, did you cd into the directory that was made when you untared the file? [06:59] no [07:00] Abdullah9, type pwd .. where are you? [07:00] ? [07:00] Abdullah9, what is the working directory you're in? [07:00] /home/user [07:01] type ls .. what's the name of the driver directory? [07:01] 2008_0925_RT2870_Linux_STA or something [07:01] /home/user/سطح المكتب/2007_1220_RT2870_Linux_STA_v1.2.1.0 [07:02] this is the directory : /home/user/سطح المكتب/2007_1220_RT2870_Linux_STA_v1.2.1.0 [07:02] good.. cd RT2870_Linux_STA_v1.2.1.0 [07:03] what does pwd say now? [07:04] /home/user/2007_1220_RT2870_Linux_STA_v1.2.1.0 [07:04] good now " sudo make " and " sudo make install " [07:05] Abdullah9, did you do step 3 ? Now the support of wpa_supplicant should be enabled in the file os/linux/config.mk of the driver package. [07:06] gedit os/linux/config.mk [07:07] HAS_WPA_SUPPLICANT=y [07:07] yes [07:07] HAS_NATIVE_WPA_SUPPLICANT_SUPPORT=y [07:07] make: *** [LINUX] Error 2 [07:08] ? [07:09] Abdullah9, ah.. i just googled and you need a newer version of RT2870_Linux_STA_v1.2.1.0 [07:09] ok [07:09] Abdullah9, get the latest version [07:10] i will download [07:10] thanks [07:10] yup [07:19] any one ? [07:21] Abdullah9, you might have this driver already... modinfo rt2870sta [07:22] some people have better luck building one === Richie is now known as YDdraigGoch [09:22] hello [09:23] anyone having a problem with cdrom drive? Like unable to eject it? [09:24] I've just burnt a cd and had problem to open it manually.. I opened it via "eject" command, but now.. I am stuck at all with it [09:24] anyone? [09:29] help [09:53] hmm? [09:53] * Dr_Willis is testing Alpha4 Kubuntu today. :) [09:54] yes.. help me please someone [09:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/395814/comments/8 [09:54] Launchpad bug 395814 in ubuntu "CD drive eject button does not eject cd" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:55] I cant say that i ever use the 'eject' button on the cd... [09:55] so.. how to open cdrom drive? [09:55] if its mounted.. it shouldent eject it.. if its in use.. it wont unmount it... so..... [09:56] but there is no cd inside.. [09:56] heh.., :) thats amuzeing [09:56] well.. I am stuck [09:56] try eject, and see if theres an error. see what dmesg command does [09:56] nothing [09:56] see if it shows any errors. [09:56] tried [09:58] :( nothing at all [10:08] get a paper clip... stick it in that little hole.... [10:08] :() [10:10] well.. I am sure after reboot it will work :-/ [10:22] morning [10:29] anyone? [10:29] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/395814/comments/8 [10:29] Launchpad bug 395814 in ubuntu "CD drive eject button does not eject cd" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:30] does "gnome-terminal --geometry=100x3" launch a very wide but think gnome-terminal for you guys in karmic??? it works well for me in jaunty but it gnome-terminal always comes up in 80x24 for me in karmic since last updates... [10:31] Using Kubuntu here. :() [10:31] mnemo, I see no difference :) [10:31] what should that geometry do? I have regular window.. not 100x 3 :-/ [10:32] ok so maybe its a bug in karmic then [10:32] "gnome-terminal --geometry=100x3" should create a terminal window which is 100 chars wide and 3 lines high [10:32] or somthing else is rembering the location/size/position of the terminal [10:33] "xterm -geometry 100x3" still works [10:34] agree mnemo [10:34] ok I will open a bug then [10:34] thanks [10:35] wcl [10:35] ah someone already noticed this it seems [10:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/418555 [10:35] Launchpad bug 418555 in gnome-terminal "geometry option isn't applied" [Medium,Triaged] [10:36] is gnome do good thing? [10:36] I like gnome-do [10:36] its handy. and also has a decent 'dock' theme it can use [10:42] dock theme? [10:43] * mac_v doesnt like gnome-do dock doesnt offer customization , cairo-dock awesome [10:45] . [10:45] Hi, i read that kubuntu 9.10 is using grub2 but i cant locate the menu.lst anymore? [10:46] shappie, correct ;) [10:46] Normally its located in /boot/grub/menu.lst [10:46] Michalxo: Where can i find/edit it now? [10:47] well... it's kinda "harder" different now [10:47] Going to have to read up on GRUB2 myself soon [10:47]