[00:00] <penguin42> andresmujica: How does uuid assignment work - never had to do that?
[00:00] <andresmujica> pvcreate -u UUID, lvcreate -u UUID... etc
[00:01]  * BUGabundo taps billybigrigger
[00:01] <penguin42> andresmujica: Does it not just keep UUIDs unless something really bad happens?
[00:01]  * billybigrigger slaps BUGabundo with a fish
[00:01] <billybigrigger> :P
[00:01] <judgen> How do i downgrade to grub1*
[00:02]  * penguin42 takes billybigrigger's fish
[00:02]  * BUGabundo fries the fish and doesn't give anything to billybigrigger
[00:02] <billybigrigger> :(
[00:02] <BUGabundo> judgen: you install grub-legacy
[00:02] <billybigrigger> guess i'll have to go fire up the bbq and have steak and corn :P
[00:02] <andresmujica> oh yeap!  with that trick you can recover from that "really bad" happenings
[00:03] <judgen> BUGabundo, thanks
[00:03] <BUGabundo> !schedule
[00:11] <judgen> BUGabundo, i cant find any files from grub shell
[00:11] <BUGabundo> ah?
[00:14] <judgen> ill try a reboot
[00:14] <judgen> hope this works
[00:14] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:18] <billybigrigger> you need to specify a root before you can find files iirc
[00:18] <billybigrigger> judgen
[00:18] <billybigrigger> too bad your gone
[00:18] <billybigrigger> :P
[00:59] <drs305> http://www.wiebeswheels.com/notify-osd_0.9.19-0ubuntu1_i386.deb for 32bit
[00:59] <drs305> http://www.wiebeswheels.com/notify-osd_0.9.19-0ubuntu1_i386.deb for 32bit
[00:59] <BUGabundo> drs305: ?
[00:59] <drs305> Wrong channel BUGabundo , sorry.
[00:59] <BUGabundo> np
[01:02] <drs305> That was a reference from yesteday on moving osd notification back to the original position. I was trying to copy it to the beginners forum.
[01:02] <DanaG> argh, my gnome-power-manager brightness indicator stopped working.
[01:03] <BUGabundo> DanaG: does it ever stay stable ?
[01:03] <DanaG> Well, it worked for a while, until they reintroduced the "use notify-osd" patch to gnome-power-manager.
[01:04] <DanaG> Note that I am using the "don't use notify-osd" gnome-stracciatella-session.
[01:04] <DanaG> I got tired of the suckage that is notify-osd.
[01:04] <BUGabundo> ahhhh
[01:05] <DanaG> It used to use the same thingy as the volume thingy.
[01:06] <DanaG> But now there's no indication at all.
[01:39] <sdest> im having some issues installing wordpress, anyone famillar to help?
[01:41] <BUGabundo> some are
[01:41] <BUGabundo> but I'm not familiar with WP on Ubuntu
[01:42] <sdest> well i apt-getted and installed apache/php5/mysql and everything, and that seems to be okay... but when going through the wordpress install through the web browser when getting to a point it tries to open install.php as a file instead of processing it
[01:42] <nzmm> stlsaint: hey do you know open source version of virtualbox does 3d
[01:43] <sdest> i do have a php test file that works just fine so i have no idea
[01:44] <BUGabundo> nzmm: not sure. should be the same as in sun's branch. check release notes of both, please
[01:44] <nzmm> cheers
[01:44] <stlsaint> yes
[01:44] <BUGabundo> sdest: did you tasksel webserver?
[01:44] <nzmm> o thnx
[01:44] <BUGabundo> can you check permitions on that dir?
[01:44] <stlsaint> you have to use additional  guests
[01:45] <stlsaint> nzmm, best to go with version 3.0 vbox for now
[01:45] <nzmm> ok, is that not in repo's
[01:45] <nzmm> ?
[01:45] <sdest> i just used apt-get to install apache, its running fine
[01:45] <BUGabundo> !info virtual-box
[01:46] <BUGabundo> !search virtual-box
[01:46] <nzmm> :)
[01:46] <BUGabundo> bad bot
[01:46] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy virtualbox-ose  Candidate: 3.0.4-dfsg-1ubuntu1
[01:47] <stlsaint> nzmm, sudo apt-get install virtualbox-3.0 dkms
[01:47] <stlsaint>  this is the one i use
[01:48] <stlsaint> add the vbox repo and the sun public key then update then run that  cmd to get vbox
[01:48] <genii> BUGabundo: It seems to happen when no package exists but it's referred to by some other package which does exist
[01:48]  * BUGabundo just got a knot on his head
[01:49] <BUGabundo> stlsaint: why are you adverting an user to go OFF archive?
[01:49] <BUGabundo> we *want* our users to use archive versions, and we need testers during devel cycle
[01:49] <BUGabundo> genii: come again ?
[01:50] <stlsaint> not trying to just suggesting what works for me...he can take any route he would like to...no malicious activity going on here
[01:50] <genii> BUGabundo: "<ubottu> Found:"           with no result
[01:50] <BUGabundo> genii: typo. no '-'
[01:51] <sdest> Bugabundo: how do i check the permission?
[01:51] <stlsaint> BUGabundo, i have had issues using archive in past...still working on them now
[01:51] <nzmm> stlsaint: thanx dude
[01:52] <sdest> nm, i got drwxr-xr-x 5 www-data www-data 4096 2009-08-29 20:34 wordpress
[01:52] <BUGabundo> sdest: a simple ls -l should do it
[01:52] <BUGabundo> and the php file?
[01:53] <sdest> -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data  5259 2009-05-19 11:29 install.php
[01:54] <stlsaint> no prob
[01:55] <sdest> its just straight from the download off the website, i havent changed anything
[01:55] <BUGabundo> no idea
[01:58] <sdest> wierd
[01:58] <sdest> if i do it from localhost/wordpress it fails, but from 127.0.0.1/wordpress it works fine
[02:00] <sdest> and once installed, both work fine
[02:05] <GSF1200S_> anyone in here know the scripts 9.10 uses for sleep and resume?
[02:06] <BUGabundo> I sometime use pm-suspend
[02:07] <GSF1200S_> well.. I have UNR installed on a Asus 1005HA-P, and when the lid is closed it suspends fine. My wireless is goofy on resume, so I just want to rmmod ath9k before  resume, and modprobe ath9k after resume
[02:08] <GSF1200S_> if I could find the scripts that are run when those events happen, it would be easy
[02:49] <stlsaint> so what can i expect to not be able to do in karmic since i put it on a vm
[02:55] <arand> stlsaint: fancy video drivers/acceleration/compiz... although I don't know about the latest 3D support in Vbox...
[02:58] <stlsaint> arand, yea that much im tracking as i have already tried but i was thinkin more along the line of technical stuff...ie encryption, coding, theme change, etc etc
[03:02] <arand> stlsaint: I'm not sure, but in theory I don't see why any of that would be impaired... I'd guess the only issue with vms are issues with "hardware".
[03:05] <stlsaint>  yea i thats what im thinking as well...just trying to get a feel before i dive in
[03:09] <arand> stlsaint: If there's anywhere diving in murky waters is safe it's when using WMs ;)
[03:10] <maco> anybody using a wacom? im wondering if the docs from jaunty are still applicable?
[03:10] <stlsaint> lol...yea you aint lying...ok ok ill be honest...im just to lazy to re-install karmic on the vm right now...you busted me!!
[03:10] <stlsaint> i have it installed already but if i jack something up im prolly gonna install something like gentoo or mepis or mint
[03:11] <stlsaint> to lazy to focus on karmic right now
[03:20] <arand> stlsaint: Yea, I noticed that as well, when I had some interesting issues that I could work on in jaunty and my multiboot setup... However, as far as that worked perfectly, it got kinda booring, and I picked up Karmic again, for some interesting breakage ;)
[03:22] <stlsaint> oh yea im def gonna end up going back to karmic here shortly...and before october
[03:23]  * arand meant something like "you want a small daily fix of breakage and if other things fulfill that, you leave alphas be" but due to fatigue, he phrased it very badly...
[03:27] <stlsaint> hey arand got a issue already...
[03:27] <stlsaint> arand, care to help
[03:29] <arand> stlsaint: For your information, you probably know more than me about virtualization, but fire away, else the channel might have ideas...
[03:31] <stlsaint> k...so i opened my sources list and added the jaunty repo
[03:31] <stlsaint> reloaded and updated
[03:31] <stlsaint> now when i try and open again it errors out and says SEGMENT FRAGMENTATION: CORE DUMPED
[03:32] <arand> From which release was this?
[03:33] <stlsaint> karmic
[03:34] <stlsaint> now even when i go directly to the sources list thru dir and not terminal i still get nothing
[03:35] <stlsaint> i can access the backup i made prior to editing it but i want to know what went wrong
[03:36] <stlsaint> correction: Segment Fault: Core Dumped was the correct error
[03:38] <stlsaint> ok so now i can access it thru the dir but not terminal still
[03:39] <genii> Should "Screensaver" really make it's way onto the most-used programs list?
[03:39] <arand> stlsaint: Um, why did you add the jaunty repo? (To me it sounds like a thing prone to mess up quite a bit...)
[03:40] <arand> genii: "most used programs"? What is that scary stuff?
[03:41] <genii> arand: On my KDE menu the programs used often get listed at the top of the menu. Just seemed odd
[03:41] <stlsaint> no ive done it before...like when you add the medibuntu repos just for extra stuff...i googled the error and it says something about it being a error with reading from memory
[03:42] <stlsaint> im going to remove them and see if it works
[03:42] <Lars_G> I'm here on my netbook, on Karmic
[03:42]  * Lars_G dances
[03:42] <arand> stlsaint: could it be that you miss-pasted/typed the entry.
[03:43] <arand> genii: Ah, ok, for a moment you had me pretty scared that our dear gnome menu was up for a lovely "mindset-remake".
[03:44] <genii> arand: Maybe I'll bug someone in #kubuntu-devel about it
[03:45] <arand> genii: Or bug LP ;)
[03:45] <stlsaint> nope i copied and pasted them from another site then matched them with the ones on my host machine
[03:45] <stlsaint> you know anything about changing permissions on a file
[03:46] <arand> !permissions
[03:47]  * arand hugs ubottu
[03:47] <stlsaint> good bot
[03:47] <stlsaint> arand, brb
[03:48] <arand> stlsaint: I'm heading off to bed real soon, I think.
[03:50] <stlsaint> thats cool thanks anyway...ttyl
[04:04] <stlsaint> arand, you there
[04:06] <arand> stlsaint: yea
[04:06] <stlsaint> alright so i fixed it
[04:07] <stlsaint> your right it was the jaunty repo
[04:07] <stlsaint> jacked up sources list...but i couldnt remove them from /etc/apt/sources i had to remove them from  sources list gui then i was able to get back into my list
[04:08] <stlsaint> and in good time as well...i was two minutes away from mint or mepis
[04:13] <arand> stlsaint: so "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" no-worky?
[04:13] <arand> before, when it was faulty?
[04:14] <stlsaint> nope but i use gedit instead of nano...but thats when i would get the seg. frag. error...so i changed permissions but before i tried to access it after i did that i removed from gui and it worked so...
[04:25] <arand> stlsaint: Hmm, odd issue, I don't know at all..
[04:25] <stlsaint> yea but its fixed for now...on to mepis
[04:29] <arand> stlsaint: Just a note that using non-default permissions on that file might not be a good idea (default seems to be -rw-r--r-- (644) root:root)
[04:29] <stlsaint> you know i thought about that but like you said...murky waters + vm = safe
[04:38] <Flakeparadigm> Hello
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> Howdies
[04:39] <Flakeparadigm> I've been using Karmic for a little while and I'm having an issue with my download speeds.
[04:40] <Flakeparadigm> and just web surfing over all.
[04:40] <Flakeparadigm> When loading a web page, it says "Looking up (website...)..." for a while then the download/upload speeds a really slow
[04:40] <Flakeparadigm> outside of Karmic, this isn't a problem.
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> #1  questions that you will get asked for clarification.. wireed? wireless? what card. what driver?      (and ive no other ideas on trouble shooting) :)
[04:43] <Flakeparadigm> haha
[04:43] <Flakeparadigm> it is on both wired and wireless
[04:44] <Flakeparadigm> Wired: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01)
[04:44] <Flakeparadigm> Wireless: 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
[04:45] <Dr_Willis> Both enabled at the same time?
[04:45] <Flakeparadigm> yup
[04:46] <Flakeparadigm> and sepperately too
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> i would disable wireless and  trouble shoot from there.. Just to eliminate any potential conflicts..
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> Ive had some wired nics wth flakey drivers that cause many error messages in dmesg.
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> assuming its a NIC issue..
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> You could 'test' with various live cd's to see if its  UBUNTU specific also.  but im not sure what a good 'test' would be.
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> Im just rattling off  'trouble shooting methods' :) that i have used in the past.
[04:49] <Flakeparadigm> haha :D
[04:49] <Flakeparadigm> I upgraded from Jaunty which worked perfectly fine, along with windows vista which is on another partition.
[04:52] <Dr_Willis> try downloading with 'wget' to monitor speeds perhaps. vs with a web browser also.
[04:52] <Dr_Willis> see if you can narrow it down to specifc apps.. or all apps
[04:54] <Flakeparadigm> It's in everything.
[04:54] <Flakeparadigm> Takes forever to connect with apt-get
[04:54] <Flakeparadigm> torrent speeds are extremely slow
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> see now.. 'slow to connect' would seem ti imply one set of problems.. but slow downloads.. would imply differnt problems...
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> how about just Ping times?
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> how about Lan to lan machine speeds also...
[04:55] <Flakeparadigm> wget takes a while to Resolve server name.
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> that sounds almost like a ipv6  or dns issue.
[04:56] <Flakeparadigm> AH HA!
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> but once getting the name..   those wouldent affect speeds of downloads.
[04:56] <Flakeparadigm> IPV6!
[04:56] <Flakeparadigm> I had an issue with that before and I had figured out how to disable it.
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> I wouldent think.. and ipv6 hasent been much of an issue  lately
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> !ipv6
[04:57] <maco> the old ipv6 thing was just about dns resolution timeouts, not download speeds
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> lsmod | grep inet6
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> see if ipv6 is even enabled...
[04:58] <alteregoa> i still wonder why those providers do not provide ipv6
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> its not enabled here on this sytem
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> maco:  yea.. thats why hes having 'bigger' problems then just ipv6    i think we can logically say that. :)
[04:59] <Flakeparadigm> maco: Part of the issue though is long dns resolution time
[05:00] <alteregoa> someday there are no more ipv4 adresses and then its game over
[05:00] <maco> Flakeparadigm: you can test the ipv6 theory by disabling ipv6 dns in /etc/hosts if you like
[05:00] <maco> its hosts, right?
[05:00] <maco> yeah thats it
[05:00] <maco> but it was supposedly fixed in jaunty
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> lsmod | grep inet6              will show if the moduile is even loaded..
[05:01] <maco> dude, its not a module anymore
[05:01] <maco> its built in
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> more guides to update then it seems
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> so much for wiki pages. :P
[05:01] <maco> i can access ipv6.google.com and i dont have that module loaded
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> access it 'how' exactly? Ping? in a browser?
[05:02] <Flakeparadigm> maco: So in the /etc/hosts would I comment out the lines about ipv6?
[05:02] <alteregoa> heh megaman killed dr. willy
[05:05] <alteregoa> i still wonder why samba shares do not automaticly use the owner of the user who created the share
[05:06] <alteregoa> that such stupid thing anybody should assume it uses the user who created the share
[05:24] <genii> alteregoa: Compartmentalization is a useful thing. So each user should have their own area, and a public area where everyone can use.
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> alteregoa:  you mean the 'gui app' that generates the shares?    or what exactly?
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> alteregoa:  i just set up where each users HOME's are shared  and leave it at that normally.
[05:57] <bucky> he just doesn't like the default behavior
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> theres more ways to set up shares then that 'right click on a folder -> share'  :) so i guess its a moot point.
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> the fact we actually HAVE that feature  - is  impressive. :P
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> Im still not sure how it works. (magic?)
[06:11] <bucky> i love samba
[06:16] <mpontillo> Dr_Willis: that seems kind of scary, actually. I don't see a way for an administrator to actually determine from the Samba CLI/config that something is shared. unless they're connected, in which case smbstatus helps
[06:17] <mpontillo> when you create a share in Nautilus like that, the share is invisible to even "/usr/bin/testparm -svt UTF-8" - which purports to generate a "normalized" config...
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> mpontillo:  i tend to use findsmb,  and smbtree
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> yea - that share by nautilus is.. somehow special. :)
[06:20] <bucky> lol
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> i dont think it even shows up in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[06:25] <mpontillo> yeah, must be using some kind of internal API to poke at Samba without changing the config. smbtree - heh, the first thing it asked me was "Enter root's password:"
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> i was thinking smbtree can also run as a user..  but i rarely use it. :)
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> i like 'findsmb' :)
[06:26] <mpontillo> I figured that (was running 'sudo' to make sure I could query the Samba daemon) but even when I entered the password I thought I used with "smbpasswd -a" it didn't work for my normal user either.
[06:27] <mpontillo> if I press "enter" I simply get no output though.
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> Kubuntu/kde4 dosent have the 'right click to share' feature. :)
[06:27] <genii> c4pt: dmesg ungarbled now?
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> So i cant test it out
[06:28] <genii> Sorry, misdirect
[06:31] <GSF1200S> anyone here know what scripts are called for sleep/suspend and for resume?
[06:32] <alteregoa> the gui app
[06:32] <genii> GSF1200S: They're usually in /etc/acpi
[06:32] <alteregoa> if you add a share from within nautilus
[06:32] <alteregoa> it should have at least a tab where you can enter the permissions
[06:32] <alteregoa> owner and group
[06:33] <GSF1200S> genii: hmmm, yeah I found a sleep.sh but I was looking for a resume script- does it call the same one?
[06:33] <genii> GSF1200S: That I'm not sure on
[06:33] <alteregoa> i hate this text editing crap, and someday gnome should use a  XML configuration for anything else
[06:34] <alteregoa> a tree, like windows or mac
[06:34] <GSF1200S> hmm.. ok.. i wonder if any scripts are called on resume
[06:34] <alteregoa> instead putting new functionality into gnome, put usability into it
[06:35] <MindVirus1> All of the sounds from alerts are only going out to my left speaker.
[06:35] <alteregoa> linux is still to conservative, i hope this changes asap
[06:35] <MindVirus1> Any suggestions?
[06:36] <mpontillo> Dr_Willis: aha! looking at the deb source for samba gave me a clue. (there is a usershare.patch in debian/patches) starting with Samba 3.0.23 you can use "net usershare" to add user specific shares. so "net usershare info" gets the info for your own user. but, I still don't know how an admin would do it
[06:36] <alteregoa> yeah get a few programmers from mac
[06:36] <alteregoa> ask wozniac
[06:36] <bucky> he'll work for free... those guys a generous
[06:36] <bucky> are*
[06:37] <GSF1200S> Linux doesnt need revolutionary changes in using text files- it needs revolutionary changes in advertising
[06:37] <mpontillo> alteregoa: gnome does in fact widely use XML... have you have seen gconf-editor?
[06:37] <bucky> proprietary software on proprietary hardware... that's the ticket
[06:37] <alteregoa> lol
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> a net command? :)
[06:37] <alteregoa> how can you advertise such a complex OS? it should be easy for anybody
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> net - Tool for administration of Samba and remote CIFS servers.
[06:38] <alteregoa> mpontillo: i think system wide, including the kernel
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> never noticed the 'net' command befor. :)
[06:38] <alteregoa> echo 1 > blah  (sorry such switches are obsolete)
[06:38] <mpontillo> alteregoa: as for entering the share permissions, I wonder if they are the same as the filesystem permissions - IOW you'd edit Properties > Permissions in Nautilus, or chmod or (etc)
[06:38] <GSF1200S> altergoa: linux is not that hard
[06:39] <GSF1200S> especially ubuntu
[06:39] <mpontillo> alteregoa: and of course there's sysctl for kernel options, but even a MacOS kernel hacker could appreciate that separation between kernel and user space settings, no?
[06:39] <GSF1200S> i use arch and it can be a pain sometimes, although it has its merits
[06:39] <MindVirus1> Anyone?
[06:39] <alteregoa> i hope mark shuttleworth is getting a few chinese and indian geeks and build it from scratch
[06:39] <alteregoa> without depending on debian
[06:40] <GSF1200S> i understand what you mean though- im not discrediting you. I dont think linux will ever be more than 5% market share before the traditional OS is phased out
[06:40] <MindVirus1> Does anyone get PulseAudio instability?
[06:40] <bucky> this all started because symbolics wouldn't give RMS the printer drivers
[06:40] <GSF1200S> everything will move to cloud computing if corporations get there way, and they usually do
[06:41] <MindVirus1> GSF1200S: I don't see what that has to do with Linux.
[06:41] <MindVirus1> One still needs an operating system.
[06:41] <mpontillo> Dr_Willis: yeah I had forgotten that 'net' had a Samba counterpart. sadly, "net usershare list" core dumps for me
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> heh,,, lets try it here mpontillo
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error No such file or directory
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> Please ask your system administrator to enable user sharing.
[06:42] <GSF1200S> yeah, but it will diminish the purpose of the OS serving the user versus it serving the corporations
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> IT works here mpontillo but ive no iudea how to enable 'user' shareing....  using Kubuntu here.
[06:42] <mpontillo> Dr_Willis:  of course - I have a user share defined (using Nautilus) - I'm curious if yours crashes since you didn't have one defined.
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> it dident crash.
[06:42] <GSF1200S> maybe linux  will exist at that point, but everything in such a case will be a shell of what it once was
[06:42] <mpontillo> Dr_Willis: could try "net usershare add" - maybe narrow it down to something Nautilus is doing or not
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> I dont even have the samba service installed yet.. I think
[06:43] <GSF1200S> just my opinion
[06:43] <alteregoa> sometime i feel like the gurus act like amish peoples, but thats just a subjective manner of view
[06:43] <mpontillo> Dr_Willis: right, I didn't either until I tried to right-click and run "Sharing Options" on a folder - then it installed Samba for me. surprised me with its smarts ;)
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares.
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> I got to figure out how to enable user shares on kubuntu. :)
[06:44] <bucky> alteregoa, i want Linus to get a grant to hire theo de raadt to do a security audit on the kernel
[06:44] <SwedeMike> you have to edit smb.conf (that's at least one way of enabling it)
[06:45] <mpontillo> Dr_Willis:  ah! there would be the system-wide place to look for them. now it just needs a CLI...
[06:45] <mpontillo> Dr_Willis: you can make one manually with something like: mkdir ~/foo ; net usershare add foo ~/foo
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> ok. looks like its enabled in  smb.conf
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> I imagine i NEED to install teh samba package also. :)
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> Installing samba helped. :)
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> net usershare add Shared /home/willis/Shared/ SharedStuff
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> so - we learned some samba stuff today at least.
[06:50] <mpontillo> Dr_Willis: yep - and "net usershare info" works for me, but "net usershare list" segfaults even with an only-CLI-defined user share, forme.
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> net usershare list
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> shared
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> its working here.
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> I did add  a smbpasswd for my user also
[06:52] <mpontillo> just did a short GDB session - it's crashing for me net_lookup_name_from_sid () - maybe a problem with my user, though I swear I did the smbpasswd correctly
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> all i did was edit smb.conf to be the right workgroup. installed samba,  gave the user  'sudo smbpasswd -a username' then tried the  net usershare add shared command
[06:59] <mpontillo> okay - I did the same, except without modifying the workgroup...
[07:01] <mpontillo> Dr_Willis: does "smbstatus" work for you as your normal user? it gives me a "Permission denied" error unless I run it under sudo
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> smbstatus
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> ERROR: Failed to initialise messages database: Permission denied
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> messaging_tdb_init failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> sudo smbstatus shows nothing connected.. but thats because.. nothing is connected.  to my share :)
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. i can see the share.. but cant copy things to it.. or see things in it.. :()
[07:12] <mpontillo> Dr_Willis: that must be part of the magic of Nautilus.... in /var/lib/samba/usershares/<share-name> there should be an acl and a guest_ok line ... it set the usershare_acl to usershare_acl=S-1-1-0:F if you set it writable by all
[07:12] <mpontillo> still can't figure out this core dump - 3 tries and it's crashed in 3 different places. I think they are real bugs but they seem a bit ... random
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> well i can copy from.. but not to the share. :)
[07:15] <mpontillo> yeah the 'F' should allow "full access" - but Nautilus also warned me that it was setting the filesystem permissions on that directly (i.e. chmod g+w)
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> yep that was it,'
[07:16] <mpontillo> (ooh - I like gnome-packagekit)
[07:17] <bucky> i'm looking for a bug report on that http://tinyurl.com/lou3r2
[07:18] <bucky> 515 pages matching "net usershare list"
[07:19] <bucky> 20 reports per page
[07:20] <DanaG> off-topic, but interesting: http://www.wincustomize.com/zoom.aspx?skinid=6941&libid=1
[07:21] <mpontillo> bucky: thanks; I was trying to narrow the search down a bit but launchpad is now timing out =(
[07:21] <bucky> i narrowed it down to 1300 possibilities ;)
[07:23] <DanaG> oh yeah, for me, /var/lib/samba/usershares does not exist, at all!
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> I dident have a 'usershres' untill i isntalled the samba package
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> !find usershares
[07:27] <mpontillo> I think it's created at runtime.
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> yea.. its a directory with a file for each share
[07:31] <DanaG> For me, I installed samba, and still didn't have a usershares dir.
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> i installed it. then ran that one command
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> net usershare add Shared /home/willis/Shared/ SharedStuff  <some extra options here also i think>
[07:41] <mpontillo> still confused about these crashes. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/261789/ looking at the code, it's crashing because there is a NULL pointer, but the storage the pointer is supposed to point to was allocated way down on the stack
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> over my head. :)
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> I know Null about Pointers.
[07:43] <mpontillo> does that mean that if you try to access your knowledge about them, you segfault? ;)
[07:43]  * Dr_Willis is null terminated
[07:44] <mpontillo> I'm worried it's some kind of compiler issue.
[07:44] <mpontillo> which would be over my head ;)
[07:45] <bucky> in the changelog on samba.org it says
[07:45] <bucky> The default passdb backend has been changed to 'tdbsam'!
[07:46] <bucky> mpontillo, your segfault is looking for krb5
[07:46] <bucky> maybe in /usr/share/doc/samba*/Debian.README or other they changed this
[07:47] <bucky> maybe that has something to do with this?
[07:47] <mpontillo> interesting - but the 2nd one is more sinister. static int net_usershare_list() allocates a structure on the stack, in a static function. then it passes it around, and somehow it becomes NULL...
[07:48] <mpontillo> I'm not sure how to troubleshoot the passdb backend. this system was upgraded from Jaunty so I might have something mismatched.
[07:48] <mpontillo> though, samba was never installed.
[07:49] <bucky> they made a lot of changes in samba http://us3.samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.4.0.html
[07:49] <MindVirus1> How do I automatically install suggested packages?
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> I hate to 'suggest' it - but Ubuntu could almost use a 'samba-help-setup-wizzard' to check/trouble shoot common issues. :()
[07:58] <bucky> MindVirus1, sudo wajig installrs <package_name>
[07:59] <MindVirus1> What now?
[07:59] <DanaG> wajig?
[07:59] <DanaG> what's a "wajig"?
[07:59]  * MindVirus1 's eyes glaze over
[08:03] <bucky> Dr_Willis, there's a gadmin-samba in gadmin-tools
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. Installed gadmin-tools and it also installed several services.. :)
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> Never understood the logic of that. :)
[08:18] <darthanubis> MindVirus1: if you don't know the basics of installing software, you should not be running development software that is still alpha. And if you stubbornly do so, don't except too much in the form of help.
[08:18] <MindVirus1> darthanubis: pardon me? I very well know the basics of installing software.
[08:18] <DanaG> (11:58:49 PM) bucky: MindVirus1, sudo wajig installrs <package_name>
[08:18] <DanaG> That's what the "Eyes glaze over" sounds like it's about, to me.
[08:18] <darthanubis> [02:49] <MindVirus1> How do I automatically install suggested packages?
[08:18] <DanaG> wajig?  what the heck is a wajig?
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> i dont even rember how to tell  it to install the suggewted.. :) I tend to just see what it suggests and cut/paste install  them also.
[08:18] <MindVirus1> darthanubis: read my question slowly.
[08:19] <darthanubis> and?
[08:19] <darthanubis> you don't know how?
[08:19] <MindVirus1> darthanubis: I looked through the man page of apt-get. There is --install-recommends but no --install-suggesteds.
[08:19] <MindVirus1> darthanubis: people tend to get insulted when you make stupid assumptions about them.
[08:20] <DanaG> I use the aptitude ncurses ui to do that.  go to package, list details, select a dependency, select to install, and then hit shift-M to markauto.
[08:20] <darthanubis> there was no assuymption
[08:20] <darthanubis> you asked a "stupid" question
[08:20] <MindVirus1> darthanubis: how was my question stupid?
[08:20] <darthanubis> read it slowly
[08:20] <RAOF> sudo aptitude install -o APT::Install-Suggests=true $PACKAGENAME
[08:21] <MindVirus1> RAOF: thanks.
[08:21] <MindVirus1> darthanubis: I wrote it. Why the hell would I read it slowly?
[08:21] <darthanubis> there someone did your homework for you
[08:22] <MindVirus1> darthanubis: yeah, because God knows even basic users know how to do that.
[08:23] <RAOF> That's certainly something _I've_ never used, and only knew because I'd run across that question being asked before.
[08:23] <MindVirus1> I see that line fly by #ubuntu ALL the time.
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> Well.. i dident,,but i did find  a good answer just now on google. Via editjng the apt.conf file.
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-configure-apt-get-to-install-suggested-packages-169746/
[08:23] <MindVirus1> darthanubis: your attitude was misplaced.
[08:23] <RAOF> That's not a good line to add to apt.conf; if you do, installing practically anything will install practically everything :)
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> Yep thats what the thread says..
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> This OTHER thread says
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> !info wajig
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> To use wajig :)
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> So, for example if you wanted to install the mozilla-thunderbird package with all suggested and recommended packages you would issue the following command:
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> sudo wajig installrs mozilla-thunderbird
[08:36] <arvind_khadri> hi, is anyone experiencing a lag in sound when they click on some other app, and even when the song starts, then also there is a lag. a lag as in the sound gets stuck
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> Not seen that issue here.
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> So you are playing a song... launch some other app and the sound player hants for a few  moments?
[08:43] <MindVirus1> Is anyone getting massive pulseaudio instability?
[08:48] <arvind_khadri> Dr_Willis, yes... for a sec or two
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> MindVirus1:  not seeing any sound issues here. (Hmm... is that logical?) :)
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> However i am testing Kubuntu also. Not Ubuntu
[08:50] <MindVirus1> Dr_Willis: pulseaudio dies every few minutes.
[09:04] <arvind_khadri> Dr_Willis, also i dont hear login sound... the default theme sound when a successful login happens
[09:05] <richardcavell> arvind_khadri: I don't get login sound either
[09:05] <richardcavell> mate, I'm uninstalling Karmic until the final release
[09:05] <arvind_khadri> richardcavell, ohh... ok
[09:06] <richardcavell> arvind_khadri: When they put the notify-osd window at the middle right and didn't apologize for it or make it configurable, I thought 'nah'
[09:06] <richardcavell> I've done my fair share filing bug reports
[09:06] <richardcavell> the rest is up to them
[09:07] <arvind_khadri> Mistakes happen ... and i guess we should be happy that someone is fixing it for us, this community is really helpful than any other...
[09:07] <richardcavell> The Ubuntu community does seem a fair bit better
[09:07] <richardcavell> the debian people are the worst
[09:07] <arvind_khadri> notify-osd , imho, is some tint part.
[09:08] <arvind_khadri> *tiny
[09:08] <richardcavell> yet, their distro is arguably the most mature, has the most features, and the most platforms
[09:08] <richardcavell> So Ubuntu is right to leech from it
[09:08] <richardcavell> But Ubuntu improves on the debian snobbery
[09:08] <arvind_khadri> richardcavell, why do you say so? their community is really good.. they stick to their standards...
[09:09] <richardcavell> arvind_khadri: You find a bit of attitude among debian people
[09:09] <richardcavell> like slackware
[09:09] <richardcavell> they don't want newbies
[09:09] <arvind_khadri> richardcavell, every community has those kind of people...
[09:10] <richardcavell> If I ran a big corporation, I would switch it from Microsoft to Ubuntu
[09:10] <richardcavell> But I wouldn't switch it to debian
[09:10] <arvind_khadri> and debian is arguably the most stable OS ever... i can run a development kernel on it and still not be worried about things breaking
[09:12] <arvind_khadri> patches which happen their dont break your apps... see its all about what you want.. if you want stability nothing better than debian, their community is really too good.
[09:14] <Machtin> http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/609/image029d.jpg
[09:14] <Machtin> what can i do about this? it's the new -8-kernel.. -7 was never installed, i directly upgraded yesterday from 9.04 to 9.10
[09:17] <richardcavell> Machtin: that sucks
[09:17] <richardcavell> Machtin: did you only just take that photo now?
[09:18] <Machtin> nope, yesterday
[09:18] <Machtin> but i could take it now, nothing changed.
[09:19] <richardcavell> Machtin: do you understand the message at the bottom?
[09:19] <Machtin> after the orange star? i think yes.
[09:20] <richardcavell> okay
[09:20] <richardcavell> have you tried it?
[09:20] <Machtin> i did "fsck"
[09:20] <Machtin> with no options at all.. but i think it can't write anything.. i mean.. it's read-only, no?
[09:21] <richardcavell> correct
[09:21] <Machtin> i had the same problem with the machine i'm online now.. but it worked with 2.6.31-8 being released.
[09:22] <richardcavell> mind you the problem is with the superblock, not with the filesystem
[09:22] <Machtin> (reinstalled, though.. because i didn't know how else to fix the problem)
[09:22] <richardcavell> So what happened after you did fsck?
[09:22] <Machtin> i think it checked sda1 in 5 steps.. then it finished and i ctrl+d'd
[09:22] <richardcavell> did it fix anything?
[09:23] <richardcavell> after you did Ctrl+D, did it boot okay, or same problem?
[09:23] <Machtin> i think it said it did, but it still doesn't work.
[09:23] <Machtin> same problem.
[09:23] <richardcavell> We could try to fix it
[09:23] <arvind_khadri> Machtin, did you do fsck ?
[09:23] <richardcavell> But since you don't have any data that you're trying to preserve, you might as well reinstall
[09:24] <richardcavell> Machtin: what you can also do is boot from the live CD and do fsck /dev/sda1 *without* mounting the internal hard disk at all
[09:25] <Machtin> hm.. will try that.
[09:25] <Machtin> strange thing, though. bbl, will report back :) thanks for now richardcavell
[09:25] <richardcavell> Machtin: no problem
[09:25] <richardcavell> and it's not even close to the strangest error I've had on Karmic
[09:26] <cbr_> hi, my karmic locks up during init
[09:26] <cbr_> previously init crashed and used 100% cpu during shutdown
[09:26] <cbr_> but it wont work on startup either
[09:27] <cbr_> what could be the problem_
[09:27] <cbr_> ?
[09:27] <arvind_khadri> cbr_, which kernel?
[09:27] <cbr_> uhm
[09:28] <cbr_> .31-7
[09:28] <cbr_> 7.18
[09:30] <cbr_> at least thats the version of the linux-image package
[09:32] <cbr_> but the version of linux-image-2.6.31-7-generic seems to be 7.27
[09:32] <Machtin> hehe.. that -7-kernel seems to suck.
[09:32] <cbr_> also, why doesnt grub present me with a menu anymore_
[09:33] <cbr_> ?
[09:33] <cbr_> it just keeps going
[09:33] <cbr_> not allowing me to choose kernels
[09:34] <arand> cbr_: if you single-boot that's the new proposed behaviour, using some shift+F#  combo to show the menu.
[09:34] <arvind_khadri> cbr_, as its grub2 ... check /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[09:34] <arand> As far as I know at least, I'm guessing they've put it into KK then...
[09:35] <richardcavell> Machtin: that -7 kernel should be nuked from orbit
[09:35] <cbr_> kk_
[09:35] <cbr_> ?
[09:35] <arvind_khadri> cbr_, upgrade to -8
[09:35] <cbr_> yeah, im trying from a chroot
[09:35] <cbr_> im in knoppix at the moment
[09:36] <cbr_> aww shit
[09:36] <cbr_> i have no /dev tree
[09:36] <cbr_> and apt-get seems to fail
[09:36] <cbr_> i have another kernel though, whats the combination to get a grub menu or smth?
[09:37] <arand> !grub2
[09:39]  * arand imagines the chaos that will ensue in #ubuntu after release, and no one knows which version of grub that people have/help ...
[09:39] <Machtin> richardcavell: okay.. i did that, rebooted.. and the same thing happens.. but i forgot to mention something:
[09:39] <richardcavell> ok
[09:40] <Machtin> the first time i boot, it boots until the splash-screen-bar is filled completely.. then nothing happens for a while and i think the system is broken (can't activate num-lock e.g.)
[09:40] <cbr_> # update-grub
[09:40] <cbr_> grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /.
[09:40] <Machtin> then i hit the reset-button and the same thing happens again.
[09:40] <cbr_> thats bad
[09:40] <cbr_> i cant run update-grub in a chroot
[09:40] <arvind_khadri> cbr_, ask in #grub
[09:41] <richardcavell> Machtin: well at least you're getting further than last time
[09:41] <richardcavell> What sort of set up do you have?
[09:41] <richardcavell> That sounds like the point at which X should start
[09:42] <arand> cbr_: hmm you can always edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg manually, although it's in general not the preferred way...
[09:42] <cdE|Woozy> cbr_, have you mounted /dev?
[09:42] <Machtin> meaning hardware? it's a gigabyte board with an intel i7-920 and a ATI-Card
[09:42] <Machtin> i think ~4800 or something.
[09:42] <cbr_> cdE|Woozy, prolly not
[09:43] <richardcavell> Machtin: can you boot the live CD?
[09:43] <Machtin> i did, yes
[09:43] <Machtin> (to run that fsck)
[09:43] <richardcavell> and it's only after installing updates that you're not able to boot, right?
[09:43] <Machtin> yup
[09:43] <richardcavell> right
[09:43] <richardcavell> so you've got an issue with the latest updates
[09:43] <Machtin> well.. but.
[09:43] <cbr_> cdE|Woozy, how do i do that
[09:43] <Machtin> no, wait a sec.
[09:43] <cdE|Woozy> before you chroot, do sudo mount --bind /dev /whereyoumountedyourfs/dev
[09:44] <Machtin> it could be anything in karmic - i updated that machine from 9.04 yesterday.
[09:44] <cdE|Woozy> the whole process is described on the wiki page arand pointed out
[09:44] <fakeer> my 9.04 is broken for almost 3-4 months now..tried everything..but now use...there's no sound and for last 2 months this new problem "you session lasted for less than 10 seconds..." .... i want a complete revamp but i've gigs of packages installed and i've now a very slow internet connection....what to do??
[09:44] <cdE|Woozy> "Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD"
[09:44] <richardcavell> Machtin: what live CD do you have?
[09:44] <richardcavell> Karmic or Jaunty?
[09:44] <Machtin> jaunty
[09:44] <richardcavell> Okay, my bad
[09:45] <richardcavell> I thought your live CD might have been Karmic
[09:45] <richardcavell> Well, I guess all we can say is that Karmic is broken on your hardware
[09:45] <Machtin> Hm, trying a karmic live cd would be a logical thing to do, though.
[09:45] <richardcavell> you might not even be fully updated, since in order to properly update you need to at least get into X
[09:46] <Machtin> i see
[09:46] <richardcavell> Machtin: can you at least get to a root shell
[09:46] <richardcavell> same way you did before
[09:46] <cbr_> ok, i will try a reboot
[09:46] <Machtin> uhm, yes..
[09:46] <richardcavell> or hold down escape while booting
[09:46] <Machtin> like on that picutre
[09:46] <richardcavell> and type
[09:46] <richardcavell> yep
[09:47] <richardcavell> type apt-get update
[09:47] <Machtin> no networking
[09:47] <richardcavell> and then apt-get upgrade
[09:47] <richardcavell> ah damn
[09:47] <richardcavell> if you hold down escape you ought to be able to get a grub menu
[09:47] <richardcavell> and it will give you a recovery mode option
[09:47] <richardcavell> and one of them is root shell with networking
[09:47] <richardcavell> try that
[09:47] <Machtin> didn't work either :/
[09:48] <richardcavell> do you get a grub menu?
[09:48] <Machtin> yes, always
[09:48] <Machtin> no need for escape btw..
[09:48] <richardcavell> and one of the options will be (recovery mode), right?
[09:48] <Machtin> yup
[09:48] <richardcavell> so select that one
[09:48] <richardcavell> and it gives you some choices, right?
[09:48] <arvind_khadri> fakeer, create a apt on cd
[09:48] <Machtin> i know, i already did :)
[09:48] <arvind_khadri> !apton | fakeer
[09:49] <richardcavell> one of them will be root shell with networking or something like that
[09:49] <Machtin> richardcavell: no, actually it doesn't :/ but i get to the choices you mean when i "shutdown now" in the root shell
[09:49] <arvind_khadri> !aptoncd | fakeer
[09:49] <Machtin> however when i select root-shell with networking there, i still have no networking.. don't get why.
[09:49] <richardcavell> what sort of net connection are you on?
[09:49] <Machtin> though i only tried once.. i can retry, wouldn't do any harm.
[09:50] <Machtin> ethernet.. didn't get wlan to work
[09:50] <richardcavell> yeah, use ethernet cable
[09:50] <Machtin> though it's dlan, actually.
[09:50] <richardcavell> use ethernet cable
[09:50] <richardcavell> see if you can boot to root shell with networking and do a full upgrade of your puter
[09:50] <richardcavell> in fact, do it several times because sometimes new upgrades come available only after an upgrade
[09:51] <Machtin> well.. i'll try that again, will be back in a few minutes!
[09:53] <fakeer> arvind_khadri: ubottu : thanks but shall they contain every app installed?? and how to solve this "your lasted less than 10 seconds .." problem..because for the last 12 months this error is not letting me use Ubuntu.. not even in Safe Gnome
[09:58] <Machtin> richardcavell: the update worked this time :) though it didn't help fixing the problem.. i rebooted and the system again hangs, when it finishes the loading-bar
[09:59] <richardcavell> did you upgrade and update as much as you could?
[09:59] <Machtin> uhm, i used dist-upgrade, but yes
[09:59] <Machtin> (and upgrade.. and safe-upgrade.. just to be absolutely sure)
[09:59] <richardcavell> okay
[09:59] <richardcavell> well then Karmic's rooted on your machine
[10:00] <richardcavell> are you using ext file system?  Have enough spare hard disk space?  All the obvious boxes are checked?
[10:00] <Machtin> ext3, should be about 500gbyte
[10:02] <cbr> a newer kernel helps me boot
[10:03] <richardcavell> yeah -7 was a bit of a hiccup
[10:04] <cbr> although i had some additional fun cuz knoppix had mounted my filesystems in the future
[10:04] <Machtin> read that before. :)
[10:06] <cbr> o btw, can karmic boot without an initrd?
[10:09] <arvind_khadri> fakeer, i think your .ICEauthority files are toasted... every app installed only through apt-get or aptitude... not the ones you compiled
[10:11] <fakeer> arvind_khadri: fine then.. i didn't compiled anything..... so, how to go about .ICEauthority files???
[10:12] <arvind_khadri> fakeer, i have no idea.its just a wild guess, did you google about your issue? and once again are you on Karmic or Jaunty?
[10:13] <Machtin> richardcavell: thanks again for trying! guess i'll try that karmic live cd, just to have double checked
[10:13] <fakeer> arvind_khadri: oh sorry..shud've told... Jaunty...
[10:13] <fakeer> arvind_khadri: yeah..googled and tried many things that were listed at different places...
[10:13] <fakeer> no help
[10:14] <arvind_khadri> fakeer, then, try asking in #ubuntu also...
[10:14] <fakeer> arvind_khadri: tried ..no response .. :(
[10:14] <arvind_khadri> fakeer, backup your packages and re-install jaunty
[10:15] <fakeer> arvind_khadri: how to backup then?? because it's unlikely i will be able to login because of this "...10 seconds " problem......
[10:15] <arvind_khadri> fakeer, the 10s login is just for X or even for the tty?
[10:16] <fakeer> arvind_khadri: once i was able to log in using Gnome-Safe adnd their i managed to copy .xsession-erros file
[10:17] <arvind_khadri> fakeer, oh ok...do you still have it? if yes, paste it.
[10:18] <fakeer> arvind_khadri: http://pastebin.com/m7a022d77
[10:21] <arvind_khadri> fakeer, doesnt give anything useful , afaik... what you can do is, login to a tty and the do a cp -Rf on /var/cache/apt/ to some local drive and then install Jaunty freshly
[10:24] <fakeer> arvind_khadri: will this command be able to reinstall my packages.....once i was told in #ubuntu some times back that this is like copying Program Files folder of windows and doesn't install s/w ...just curious ...
[10:25] <arvind_khadri> fakeer, that will only backup your apps and stuff... after you install jaunty, place them back into that folder
[10:27] <fakeer> arvind_khadri: alright.thanks.. and tty is terminal where i go after CTL+ALT+F1 after my safe gnome freezes.. right?
[10:28] <arvind_khadri> fakeer, yes
[10:28] <fakeer> arvind_khadri: thanks...hope it works..
[10:29] <arvind_khadri> fakeer, np, just copy the files onto a local drive first, and then install jaunty
[10:29] <fakeer> arvind_khadri: ok...
[10:36] <zeeble> hi. i have 9.04 running fine. are there some big time problems if i dist-upgrade to koala?
[10:56] <Dr_Willis> You may want to wait. :) unless you can risk 'problems'
[11:15] <apparle> does karmic come with GRUB2
[11:16] <arand> apparle: indeed it does, but not if you upgrade to it.
[11:16]  * Dr_Willis conferims that statement
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> confirms
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> agrees with....
[11:17]  * Dr_Willis is now studdying the art of Grub-2-Fu!
[11:17] <arand> i.e. you'll need a new install for grub2
[11:17] <apparle> Dr_Willis: You told me yesterday you are studying GRUB 2 :)
[11:17] <apparle> can I acheive this in GRUB 2 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StartUpManager?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=sum-text-splash.png
[11:18] <apparle> and how to do that in GRUB 1
[11:18] <arand> apparle: isn't that just done by removing the "quiet" boot parameter?
[11:19] <apparle> arand: I don't know...........or I wouldn't have asked :)
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> grub 2 has some gfx features...  and settings..  whats the actual thing youa re trying to do?
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> that looks like some fancy usplash setup to me
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> i disable that stuff. :)
[11:20] <apparle> Dr_Willis: nothing................just getting to know things :)
[11:20] <arand> apparle: hm, yea, I'm not sure (so I was kinda asking the channel there), but if it's like I think it is...:
[11:20] <apparle> Dr_Willis: I am not doing anything till I install karmic
[11:20] <apparle> :)
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> For booting up.. simple is better...
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> too many fancy gfx/stuff and you have to work to see the actual error messages/info when things do happen.
[11:21] <arand> in grub1 you just remove "quiet" from the concerned kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> I will say that Karmic boots to the login screen in like 20 sec here... or less..
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> its amazing fast.
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> My GRUB delay is longer then the boot time. :P
[11:23] <arand> In grub2, to go with recommended things you would edit /etc/default/grub remove "quiet" from the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" and then run the command "update-grub2"
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> You may want 'nosplash' also to get rid of that little animated bar also
[11:24] <apparle> thanks all
[11:24] <apparle> bye
[11:24] <apparle> I am just waitin for karmic.....................
[11:24] <arand> apparle: bye :)
[11:25] <shappie> Is it right that KPackageKit is replaced with Synaptic?
[11:25] <arand> Dr_Willis: is there such a thing as "nosplash" I though it was just "splash" or blank?
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> could be nosplash just  replaces splash so it dont see splash so it dont do splash. :)
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> easier to rember i guess and undo.
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> you could use noquiet to remove quiet also i guess
[11:26] <Dr_Willis> i do know theres also 'nofb' to disable the framebuffer
[11:27] <shappie> Am i the only than that finds synaptic in his Kubuntu menu?
[11:28] <Dr_Willis> I installed synaptic :) imjust so used to it...
[11:28] <Dr_Willis> using Kubuntu here.. first thingi did was install synaptic heh
[11:28] <shappie> Ok, i didnt install it myself... And KPackageKit disappeared...
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> i really HATE the way the kubutnu menus are laid out.. too hard to find anything
[11:29] <shappie> I didnt liked KPackageKit anyway it always crashed and it didnt work fine for me
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> i end up just typing the names
[11:29] <shappie> lol
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> that lancelot widgit thing seems a little better
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> Aha - thers a 'switch to classic style' option
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> MUCH better
[11:30] <shappie> Dr_Willis: Do you know what the indicator display widget does?
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> Now i can explore the menus and not have to click 100 times
[11:30] <shappie> lol
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> shappie:  never did fiure that one out
[11:30] <shappie> lol me to :(
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> theres a lot of... trash widget things
[11:30] <shappie> i doesnt do anything...
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> oh wait.. we  should be using the correct term...
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> 'plasmids'
[11:31] <shappie> lol
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> Like in  That Game.. BioShock..
[11:31] <shappie> plasmids of plasmoids?
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> Oh wait.. thats Plasmioids?
[11:31] <shappie> or*
[11:31]  * Dr_Willis steams the Adam!
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> steals.
[11:31] <shappie> lol
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> when in doubt use Silly catchy names.
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> that everyone gets wrong.
[11:31] <shappie> Im going to delete my old kernels (before -8) which packages i need to remove?
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> A whole 'biological' type nameing scheme would be cool.
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> i seem to have 4 different package manager tools now
[11:33] <shappie> In kubuntu 9.10?
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> yea..  Looking through the menus at what i got installed.
[11:33] <shappie> lol
[11:33] <shappie> should be enough...
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> '/usr/share/apport/apport-kde' needs your password....
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> that is CONSTANTLY poping up.. when.. it shouldent.
[11:34] <shappie> Can i remove old linux-headers?
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> it must be the kde UAC equilivent.
[11:34] <shappie> i hate UAC...
[11:34] <shappie> I put it off on my vista install
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> but it makes your system Safer!
[11:35] <shappie> Yea and it makes me angry...
[11:35] <arand> apparently vga=xxx don't work no more as a kernel parameter, where can I find documentation on the replacing parameters?
[11:36] <Dr_Willis> Guy had a 'new' windows laptop at work.. I gave him a pad of paper and tole him to keep a Tally of how many times the UAC thing showed up.. (he was a big windows fanboy)
[11:36] <Dr_Willis> in the course of like 2 hrs..it was close to 100 times. :P
[11:37]  * ikonia nudges the topic 
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> We want the same security in.. oh.. never mind.. :P
[11:37] <ikonia> arand: who said that didn't work - and what kernel. It works for me
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> i was just thinking tha vga= also works here for me...
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> unless the framebuffer is disabled.. or am i confused again?
[11:38] <ikonia> could be
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> framebuffer is such a neat idea.. that causes so many issues...
[11:38] <arand> Oh, I got some message "blah... deprecated blah... use payloadgraphicssumething...blah" last time I tried in KK.
[11:38] <ikonia> yes, when not used correctly. I'm curious to arand's kernel version and who said it didn't work
[11:39] <shappie> Can i remove old linux-headers-2.6.31-X packages?
[11:39] <ikonia> shappie: if you're not using it
[11:39] <shappie> Ok ty
[11:39] <arand> I think this was on -7
[11:39] <arand> Guess I could have a look now.
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1248302    mentions the vga= and payload= stuff
[11:41]  * Dr_Willis does some reading
[11:41] <ikonia> interesting
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> gfxpayload=true
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> now lets see where does that go...
[11:43] <shappie> I got the idea my internet is much slower on kubuntu... (compared to XP/vista)
[11:43] <shappie> Loading pages takes way to long...
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> Hmm I have No idea what /etc/grub.d/40_custome is actually doing...
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> souldent you set gfxpayload=true   in the 00_header or 05_debian_theme?
[11:47] <arand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/416772
[11:49] <arand> Seems like vga=xxx are supposed to work still, however I get the blank screen that reporter speaks of, I'm guessing the other option would make no diff.
[11:49] <Dr_Willis> i cant figure out where to get some background images either. :)
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> rereading the config scripts and seeing..
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if grub-invader actually adds a proper grub entry now. :)
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> oops its 'grub-invaders'
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> hay. I think it did! :)
[12:07] <penguin42> did someone say there was a set of debug symbol files that I could get after I got a core?
[12:08]  * penguin42 has a ff core and a pretty backtrace and I think it would be better if I had about 70 stack frames just at offsets in xulrunner
[12:11] <ug_tinker> is compiz workin for anyone with koala
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> using KUbuntu at the moment.. so cant say
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> ive not heard anyone else in here asking about it.. so im guessing its working
[12:12] <shappie> Using kubuntu to (vid driver doesnt even support effects...)
[12:12] <maxb> fine for me
[12:13] <ug_tinker> my theme plays up.. so i had to change that too.. ..  (should i reinstall nvidia drivers
[12:13] <BUGabundo> ug_tinker: not very well
[12:13] <BUGabundo> I'm having trouble with composite :\
[12:13] <maxb> penguin42: ddebs, as mentioned here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash, maybe?
[12:13] <penguin42> maxb: Yep I think that's it - thanks
[12:14] <shappie> When i tried putting on compositing on kubuntu 9.10 with radeonhd driver i couldnt login anymore... So i had to change kwinrc config file in recovery mode.
[12:16] <BUGabundo> hey
[12:16] <BUGabundo> this should be better now
[12:16] <BUGabundo> killed and restarted Compiz
[12:20] <shappie> I'm using 2 screens (idential 20inch samsung screens) but my DVI-1 is the mainscreen and DVI-0 the second screen. Kubuntu 9.10 automaticly puts all windows on DVI-0 but i like them on DVD-1. Is there a possibility to change the default screen?
[12:21] <ug_tinker> try nvida settings?... "make primary display" ?
[12:22] <shappie> ug_tinker: Forgot to tell im using ATi graphic card (radeon HD3850)
[12:22] <ug_tinker> :)
[12:22] <shappie> And im using radeonhd opensource driver (screens configured using RandR)
[12:22] <penguin42> maxb: Tht's given me a much much prettier backtrace
[12:23] <penguin42> shappie: So you can move the windows onto the 2nd screen - your issue is just the initial placement?
[12:23] <shappie> penguin42: Yea everything works fine but KDE uses DVI-0 as default screen. So if i start firefox it pops up on DVI-0 but i can move it to DVI-1...
[12:24] <penguin42> that sounds like hopefully KDE settings could change - in Gnome most stuff seems to put the window on the display where my mouse cursor currently is
[12:25] <shappie> penguin42: KDE4 display settings doesnt does anything good here... When i open it up it changes the config to cloning again. I cant do anything with that tool...
[12:25] <penguin42> shappie: No, I don't think this has anything to do with the display config - I think you need to be looking for more to do with the window manager/window placement behaviour
[12:25] <shappie> Its completely anti-dualscreen or something... Guy in this treath mentions the same (problems with display settings in kde4): http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=62111&start=0
[12:26] <shappie> penguin42: I guess its a KDE setting indeed but when i open up the display settings i get 2 cloning screens again...
[12:27] <shappie> So i think if there is an option for this i need to edit a config file...
[12:29] <penguin42> shappie: Last time I tried KDE I also found the display settings stuff flaky - in particular if you change something in those settings it forgets it next time you start KDE until you restart that display setting app
[12:29] <shappie> Yea the display settings dialog aint doing a good job configuring my screens... See this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=201866
[12:31] <ug_tinker> opening on one is cool. if ur going to bed and switching one screen off.. (windows anoys me,, with opening on turned off screen but untramon beta fix)
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Dual displays are working herer.
[12:32] <shappie> Dr_Willis: What graphics card you use?
[12:32] <shappie> Here the original bug report on this problem: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180437
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> Im using twinview :)  nvidia 8600 gtsxxx
[12:32] <shappie> Seems nobody tries to repair it... :(
[12:33] <shappie> Ok, this bug is about using XRandR
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> on 9.04  you have to use the nvidia-settings tool  instead of the built in thing on gnome.
[12:33] <shappie> so: intel + radeon + radeonhd uses RandR for setting up screens this is a pretty bad bug...
[12:36] <shappie> This program does the job: http://projects.dvdmeer.nl/python-randr/ ; but after reboot its gone again. The dutch guy who made it is going to implement a function to implement the setup into xorg.conf.
[12:36] <shappie> But i dont have an idea on when it will be finished
[12:41] <penguin42> shappie: I do have my basic dual head setup just in my xorg.conf
[12:41] <shappie> Yea i got it setup in my xorg.conf now to. But when you open up system settings it screw things up...
[12:42] <shappie> And i think that KDE should fix this and add an option to setup dualscreen using the display settings tool. There are programs that do the same so it is possible...
[12:42] <penguin42> shappie: When it gets screwed up, try setting it back the way you want it (if it will go) and save that - the problem is the two kind of need to agree
[12:43] <shappie> penguin42: I can set it back to working by using xrandr in terminal but next time you open up system settings it reverts to cloning again...
[12:44] <shappie> Display settings just dont have an option for dualscreen... So when you open it it uses his own settings which are cloning again..
[12:44] <penguin42> shappie: Nod, it's rather flaky - my experience of KDE is that it has all the dual head setup but the damn thing never works!
[12:45] <penguin42> BUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/421438  finally managed to capture my ff crashes
[12:45] <shappie> penguin42: Yea it looks like things are working fine coz i can move windows, its stable and i dont have any problems..
[12:45] <shappie> but the configuration tool just doesnt work
[12:46] <penguin42> nod
[12:46] <shappie> what means nod?
[12:46] <penguin42> I agree
[12:46] <shappie> ok
[12:47] <shappie> I read on KDE forum that the guy assigned to the bug is working on K3B > KDE4 or something
[12:47] <shappie> so he isnt working on this bug...
[12:47] <penguin42> anyway, time for breakfast - it's nearly 1pm :-)
[12:47] <shappie> Britain?
[12:47] <penguin42> nod
[12:48] <penguin42> sunny Manchester
[12:48] <shappie> Its almost 2pm here...
[12:48] <ug_tinker> brunch lol
[13:03] <ug_tinker> a lot of ppl no .. chat  here ( http://stagevu.com/video/gwzdhxyvgedb ) Substitute For Love (Extended Remix Slideshow Video
[13:32] <dennda> Hi. I can't click in flash apps. Is that a known problem?
[13:38] <ug_tinker> sorry.. may be dumb question can anyone tell me why.. i can see a flash video(firefox -utube) and buttons but won't play..
[13:50]  * penguin42 burps
[13:56] <penguin42> ug_tinker/dennda: Clicking in flash is working here - ff3.5 with nspluginwrapper+32bit flash
[13:59] <Karmic> Full Circle Magazine #28 - OUT NOW!
[14:04] <shappie> Anybody knows if the radeon (or radeonhd) driver in karmic support 3D (kwin effects...)?
[14:05] <Karmic> shappie: There's only one way to find out! Install and test!
[14:06] <shappie> Karmic: i'm now using radeonhd driver but composite doesnt work now...
[14:10] <penguin42> http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon seems to be a reference for different Radeon cards and what acceleration they have
[14:11] <shappie> Btw: Is there a way to improve my internet speed on kubuntu? Loading pages takes way to long (compared to vista/xp)...
[14:11] <penguin42> there shouldn't be any difference in that
[14:14] <shappie> There is :( firefox, arora and konqueror are all very slow :(
[14:21] <penguin42> hmm odd; how are you connected?
[14:23] <shappie> Just cables (100mbit lan)
[14:24] <shappie> Now i get something else real weird: on kde-look.org : 1GB Bandwidth Exceeded
[14:24] <shappie> I only downloaden few files... max 5mb...
[14:26] <penguin42> and updates? and the karmic install itself?
[14:26] <shappie> Updates dont download from kde-look.org...
[14:27] <penguin42> I meant is it your ISP giving you a bandwidth limit?
[14:27] <shappie> No sure not
[14:28] <shappie> Sometimes i download more than 100GB a week..
[14:28] <penguin42> ok
[14:28] <shappie> Never had problems before...
[14:30] <kklimonda> ahaha, notifications in the middle of the screen look funny..
[14:30] <kklimonda> in a bad way ;)
[14:31] <penguin42> yeh everyone is complaining about that
[14:32] <shappie> Can i delete a folder without going to trash?
[14:32] <Karmic> yes
[14:32] <shappie> The folder is to big for my trashbin... (want to delete HD movie on USB disk)
[14:32] <shappie> How?
[14:33] <Karmic> shappie: You can do it from the command line or graphically
[14:33] <arand> shappie: shift+delete or just use rm form terminal
[14:33] <shappie> ok ty :)
[14:33] <Karmic> Gnome or KDE?
[14:34] <Karmic> There is a right click function in Nautlius Properties called "Delete" instead of Move to Trash
[14:34] <Karmic> But you must enable it first
[14:34] <shappie> Ooh ok, i only saw del to trash
[14:34] <shappie> move to trash*
[14:36] <Karmic> If you have Nautilus as your FileManagement program, open a folder or something in the VFS and go to Edit->Preferences->Behaviour and there should be something called "Enable delete function that bypasses trash"
[14:37] <shappie> Karmic: I'm using dolphin but i think i can remember shift+del
[14:37] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:38] <shappie> Hi
[14:39] <Lademord> Hi people, I'm not sure why, but apparently my OSD has moved itself down. Take a look at this: http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/8977/skarmbillede.png
[14:39] <Lademord> How can I fix that?
[14:39] <penguin42> Lademord: Halfway down the screen?
[14:39] <Lademord> yeah
[14:40] <penguin42> yeh, apparently it's a feature - there's a bug against it
[14:40] <Lademord> Ah okay, so it has been reported?
[14:40] <Lademord> Then I'll just live with it until a fix presents itself
[14:42] <BluesKaj> must be exclusively a gnome thing
[14:59] <aboSamoor> #join ubuntuone
[15:00] <BluesKaj> aboSamoor,  /join #ubuntuone
[15:01] <aboSamoor> BluesKaj, yeah, I know. Typos ! Thanks :)
[15:01] <BluesKaj> ok :)
[15:02] <aboSamoor> BluesKaj, my question was " does ubuntuOne support notes synchronization provided by tomboy ?"
[15:02] <BluesKaj> have no idea what tomboy is :)
[15:03] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: the tomboy notes thingy
[15:03] <BluesKaj> dunno , must be a gnome app
[15:03] <shadeslayer> in gnome.... kinda like the sticky notes widget in KDE
[15:05] <BluesKaj> heh, I still don't know , sorry i can't help ,shadeslayer, aboSamoor
[15:05] <shadeslayer> !info tomboy
[15:08] <BluesKaj> I just use a text file in /home/user/ for important addresses, notes and commonly used cli commands etc
[15:09] <aboSamoor> now, in the latest tomboy in preferences -> Synchronization -> Service [choose web]. Ubuntu one will show up "http://www.ubuntuone.com/notes". but trying to connect gives no response. am I missing something
[15:09] <aboSamoor> BluesKaj, does your solution provide synchronization ?
[15:10] <penguin42> aboSamoor: It's not letting me connect either - I get a little ubuntuone icon in the tray but with a x on it
[15:13] <aboSamoor> penguin42, do you know any server that provide tomboy synchronization ?
[15:14] <penguin42> aboSamoor: I've never tried to use either tomboy or any sync stuff
[15:14] <aboSamoor> if you want to know more about tomboy synchronization http://tinyurl.com/mytqzc
[15:14] <penguin42> but I guess you could do worse than checkout opensync to see if it has anything
[15:14]  * shadeslayer still has no idea why coverflow is not working on KDE
[15:15] <shadeslayer> any idea where the window decoration settings are stored?
[15:17] <penguin42> on gnome?
[15:17] <shadeslayer> penguin42: on KDE....
[15:17] <penguin42> ah, no
[15:33] <BluesKaj> aboSamoor, synchronization with ?
[15:34] <aboSamoor> BluesKaj, with web server
[15:34] <penguin42> aboSamoor: Id' be tempted to think something like WebDAV might be involved somewhere
[15:36] <aboSamoor> BluesKaj, this really will be helpful for my Ubuntus
[15:53] <Twigaathy> Man... the install of ubuntu on my fileserver/media center machine is screwed. Somehow the kernel version and userland tools for the nvidia drivers has gotten out of sync... is madness :|
[16:13] <alteregoa> i got a strange problem
[16:13] <penguin42> any particular strange problem?
[16:14] <alteregoa> after a X certain connection of samba shares the ubuntu server interrupts the connection
[16:14] <alteregoa> i think something with the samba is messed up
[16:16] <tgpraveen> the latest skype doesnt use notify-osd
[16:17] <tgpraveen> is there any place we can request for it to me changed to add support?
[16:17] <penguin42> tgpraveen: Skype is closed source commercial software; you need to ask them to do it
[16:27] <Polterge|st> what are the improvements said to be in the future release of Karmic Koala
[16:30] <Karmic> Polterge|st: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic
[16:41] <nemo> hm. getting a lot of things crashing after switching to karmic - odd unexplained crashes
[16:41] <nemo> non-reproducible ones
[16:42] <nemo> well. maybe is just temporary
[16:42] <nemo> oh. and tried to enable compiz and got a crash and complaint that it couldn't switch, but starting it from commandline worked fine
[16:42] <joaopinto> nemo, there is no such thing a temporary crashes, unless something is done to fix them :)
[16:42] <nemo> joaopinto: well, I was just thinking perhaps the updates were not totally correct
[16:43] <nemo> and my system has some invalid packages.
[16:43] <nemo> the whole "unreproducible" thing is a bugger though
[16:44] <penguin42> unreproducible bugs are very important
[16:45] <nemo> hm. and now gconfd-2 is sucking up a big chunk of CPU
[16:45] <nemo> odd
[16:45] <penguin42> they're just really hard to track and categorise and figure out which ones aren't just someones broken machine
[16:45] <BUGabundo> mostly related to either HW or configuaraitions
[16:45] <BUGabundo> run a memtest
[16:45] <BUGabundo> and see if it accuses anything
[16:45] <nemo> BUGabundo: worth a shot I guess, although everything was well behaved prior to update
[16:47] <arand> I've probably been naggin' before, but would anyone care to confirm/refute Bug #418135 ?
[16:47] <BUGabundo> more bugs on symlinks
[16:47] <BUGabundo> ?
[16:47] <BUGabundo> don't those ever get fixed ?
[16:47] <nemo> I did have one odd thing on upgrade too. pdflush sucked up 100% of CPU - I gave it a half hour, then just did Magic Sysrq S-U-B
[16:48] <BUGabundo> nemo: what GPU ?
[16:48] <nemo> that was on attempt to shut down and reboot
[16:48] <nemo> nvidia
[16:48] <arand> BUGabundo: it's nautilus that's doing something seriously wrong..
[16:48] <nemo> anyway, I had some file system damage, unfortunately, due to unclosed writes
[16:48] <nemo> perhaps my current issues are related
[16:48] <nemo> in which case reapplying some packages might help
[16:49] <arand> nemo: or try an offline fsck?
[16:50] <nemo> arand: well. it did the fsck on restart
[16:50] <nemo> but could try another
[16:50] <nemo> arand: oh. I was on ext4 btw.
[16:50] <BUGabundo> nemo: try from livecd
[16:50] <BUGabundo> for some reason system is not doing a proper remount in RO
[16:50] <nemo> BUGabundo: isn't enough to just run from singleuser ro?
[16:50] <nemo> oh
[16:51]  * nemo hunts around for a CD
[16:51] <BUGabundo> nor the recovery menu forces a reboot once you fsck :(
[16:51] <BUGabundo> I should file that bug
[16:51] <BUGabundo> sugesting an user to boot on a RO system is a mess
[16:51] <arand> nemo: I'm not really sure yet, but I get the feeling ext4 uppes my fsck-needs a bit...
[16:52] <nemo> arand: at least the fscks are a lot faster :)
[16:53] <nemo> on my modest 225GiB partition I used to just go out for a swim while waiting
[16:54] <Szymon> I was redirected here, so I will copy my message. Hello. I have yesterday's daily od 9.10, and when I try to install it, after splash there is just black screen, I can't go ctrl+alt+f1... nothing. As far I know it's problem with my video card - it's Radeon HD 3650 Mobility. But... even graphics safe mode doesn't work. :|
[16:55] <nemo> Szymon: already tried disabling apic/acpi/non-free on boot menu?
[16:55] <nemo> 'cause that helps w/ my sucky dell :)
[16:55] <maco> do any of you have a wacom working all the way in karmic?
[16:56] <Szymon> Haven't tried, so I'm going to try it now. :) If it doesn't help... I'll be back. 8)
[16:57] <nemo> ... not sure which of those 3 was problem on my dell, but given I was only booting to do a dd/nc/bzip network copy, I never bothered to figure it out
[16:57] <nemo> oh well. if it works, Szymon can narrow it down.
[16:58] <nemo> BTW, for people actually doing dd/nc/bzip2 - very important before doing the copy is:  dd if=/dev/zero of=zeros bs=16M   :)
[16:58] <nemo> first time didn't occur to me to do that, and I aborted it after about an hour
[16:59] <arand> nemo: You mean the bs= ?
[17:00] <nemo> naw. just writing zeros period
[17:00] <nemo> didn't occur to me
[17:00] <nemo> bs is important on the actual copy too of course
[17:01] <nemo> so, I had a 120 gibibyte partition, of which I was only using 25, but as far as the copy was concerned, whole thing was probably filled with random bits :)
[17:01] <arand> nemo: what? you're saying one has to zero the file firs?
[17:01] <nemo> arand: well. zero out the unused partition space
[17:01] <arand> nemo: ah, yea, that's true.
[17:03] <arand> nemo: what's "nc" by the way?
[17:03] <nemo> netcat
[17:04] <nemo> bzip2 -c /dev/sda1 | nc 10.0.0.1 9999
[17:04] <nemo> nc -l -p 9999 | bzip2 -d | dd of=/dev/sda1 bs=16M
[17:05] <nemo> hm.
[17:05] <nemo> googling WRT gconf, appears it has happened to other people on upgrade
[17:05] <nemo> apparently ~/.gconfd can get into an inconsistent state
[17:05] <arand> nemo: ah, right. I've never dabbled in net backups really, only local.
[17:05] <nemo> sooo, guess I'm going to move it out of the way
[17:06] <nemo> arand: well. I was moving to a new home at work
[17:06] <nemo> they let me have an old desktop for dev, and soon I was running darn useful services on it, but was getting crowded for actual dev
[17:06] <nemo> so I cloned it to a newer model.
[17:07] <nemo> linux is so much more cooperative on that front than windows is.
[17:09] <nemo> Bother.
[17:09] <nemo> mv .gconf gconf-bad
[17:09] <nemo> solved my CPU useage and random crashes
[17:10] <nemo> but now I lost alll my settings
[17:10] <nemo> so I get to redo them
[17:10] <nemo> at least gconf xml files aren't too unreadable
[17:11] <Szymon> I'm back. :P noapic, only OSS etc. doesn't help. Still black screen. Maybe there is boot option to enable graphics safe mode? Because I have feelings that it's not activated when I choose it in F4 menu.
[17:12] <nemo> Szymon: disabled acpi too right
[17:13] <Szymon> nemo: Yes
[17:13] <nemo> aight
[17:13] <nemo> Szymon: what also might be interesting would be on kernel boot line in boot menu
[17:13] <nemo> remove the quiet and splash options
[17:13] <nemo> then you could watch it progress
[17:13] <nemo> might give a clue as to where it fails
[17:15] <Szymon> Yeah, I've tried that yesterday, It goes black on startin Gnome display manager...
[17:15] <nemo> oh. really
[17:16] <nemo> well. start the non-graphical runlevel
[17:16] <nemo> then you should at least get some VTs
[17:16] <nemo> and you could try starting gdm from one of those
[17:16] <nemo> including maybe a sleep kill in case ctrl-alt-f1/alt-f1 fails
[17:16] <nemo> and you could then check stderr/xorg log/sys log
[17:19] <nemo> Szymon: hm. now to be honest, I've never actually tried doing that on a livecd - hopefully it is same as on a regular install
[17:20] <Szymon> Yeah, I'm wondering now how to run it on runlevel 3 from livecd :))
[17:21] <nemo> add a 3
[17:21] <nemo> to boot line
[17:21] <nemo> and cross your fingers :)
[17:21] <Szymon> Ok, I'm going to try that. :)
[17:21] <penguin42> init=3 ?
[17:22] <Szymon> Thanks. :)
[17:22] <penguin42> hmm no, that would replace the shell
[17:34] <nemo> I do wish drive mounts remembered their position on the desktop better
[17:34] <nemo> I have a lot of 'em
[17:56] <DKcross> hi dear friends!:
[17:58] <BUGabundo> hey DKcross
[17:59] <DKcross> BUGabundo,  hey:D
[17:59] <DKcross> what is the name of the new virtual terminal of karmic koala?
[18:00] <DKcross> have a new menu, and when you push F9  start menu
[18:01] <DKcross> no problem, now i know https://launchpad.net/byobu
[18:01] <DKcross> BUGabundo,  hey  what happened?
[18:02] <DKcross> :)
[18:03] <BUGabundo> still here
[18:03] <BUGabundo> but identica just tanked :(
[18:04] <DKcross> :)
[18:05] <BUGabundo> not funny
[18:05] <BUGabundo> so what was your question?
[18:08] <DKcross> nothing now i know about ByoBu
[18:08] <DKcross> in karmic koala are the virtual terminal
[18:10] <nemo> hm. the "wrong password" screen wiggle seems a lot slower in karmic, and has some graphics artifacts
[18:10] <nemo> wonder if that's my driver
[18:11] <DKcross> i think that karmic is more slow..
[18:12] <BUGabundo> well inicialy I felt it was faster then jaunty
[18:12] <BUGabundo> I no longer feel like it :(
[18:13] <DKcross> BUGabundo,  :O
[18:14] <penguin42> still feels faster on my machine
[18:15] <penguin42> DKcross: I think the virtual terminals are different but I've not entirely worked out how; I think it's some interaction with the way that the kernel now controls the graphics card more - so e.g. if I ctrl-alt-f1 I only get a text console on one head
[18:18] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: which graphics card?
[18:19] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: ???
[18:19] <tgpraveen> if u what u are saying is true then ubuntu is going to be in big problem as it is facing competition from win 7 and mac osx snow leopard
[18:19] <BUGabundo> true
[18:19] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: which graphics card u have? maybe that is
[18:19] <BUGabundo> nvidia
[18:19] <BUGabundo> its not GPU related
[18:19] <tgpraveen> determining cause of slowness
[18:19] <BUGabundo> its system wide
[18:19] <BUGabundo> cpu slugninsh
[18:20] <tgpraveen> oh =-O
[18:22] <Karmic> Ubuntu Software Store -> http://bit.ly/15WM2T
[18:22] <BUGabundo> I guess I have an old system now :D
[18:25] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: and get me started on Firefox (3.6, 3.7)
[18:26] <BUGabundo> *don't
[18:27] <hashbrowncipher> the udevd on my Thinkpad x200s seems to have gone haywire.  It's taking up ~50% CPU when the system is otherwise idle.  udevadm --monitor spits out a bunch of #$!@ regarding the bluetooth rfkill, a sample of which I have pastebinned at http://pastebin.com/m2ca5f02d  .  Finally, PowerTOP reports that acpi is generating ~2700 wakeups/second.   Has anyone heard of such a problem?
[18:28] <penguin42> hashbrowncipher: No I haven't - what happens if you flick the rfkill switch?
[18:28] <RainCT> Hey
[18:29] <RainCT> How is Karmic looking by now? Is it halfway stable or still doing bad stuff? :)
[18:30] <penguin42> RainCT: Seems mostly OK for me; some others have had problems - your mileage may vary
[18:30] <hashbrowncipher> penguin42: testing now
[18:31] <hashbrowncipher> penguin42: absolutely no change, other than that my wireless dies
[18:31] <penguin42> hashbrowncipher: Hmm - not sure then
[18:33] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, there have been some probs with cpu scaling not working properly on the latest ubuntu versions , could be worth looking at
[18:33] <tgpraveen> BluesKaj: by latest u mean latest alphas or latest versions of ubuntu?
[18:33] <BUGabundo> oh yeah
[18:34] <BUGabundo> I've had those on every two pairs of kernels :|
[18:35] <keith> I have been playing with empathy, and it doesn't seem like it will let me change my MSN alias. Has anyone else had this issue?
[18:37]  * BUGabundo uses pidgin
[18:38] <keith> Pidgin is what I am used to, but I wanted to give Empathy a try since it is the new default messaging client.
[18:38] <tgpraveen> though i love empathy and have been following it for a year now i still think it is a little early to switch to pidgin
[18:38] <tgpraveen> *empathy
[18:39] <RainCT> penguin42: OK, thanks. I think I might upgrade today :)
[18:39] <penguin42> RainCT: What video card do you have?
[18:40] <RainCT> penguin42: NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT
[18:40] <penguin42> RainCT: It might be worth checking with other Nvidia users ehre - we've had a few come here with problems, but I use Intel myself
[18:48] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, I used to just remove powernowd , but it keeps getting reinstalled by default with version upgrades
[18:51] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo,  check your cpu frq : cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz
[18:51] <BUGabundo> eheh
[18:51] <BUGabundo> $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz
[18:51] <BUGabundo> cpu MHz		: 1200.000
[18:51] <BUGabundo> cpu MHz		: 1200.000
[18:52] <BluesKaj> dual core 2.4 ..looks ok
[18:53] <BUGabundo> yep
[18:53] <eurythmia_> yo, I just installed karmic from the "alternate install" CD, partly because I thought I would get the option to install without the ubuntu-desktop metapackage, but such is not the case. How would I go about removing all the packages contained in ubuntu-desktop?
[18:55] <BUGabundo> ehe
[18:55] <BUGabundo> with a lot of hard work eurythmia_
[18:55] <BUGabundo> should have used MINIMAL image
[18:56] <BluesKaj> eurythmia_,if you want to install kubuntu desktop as a replacement for the gnome desktop then : sudo aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop && sudo aptitude install kubuntu-dektop
[18:56] <penguin42> actually; how about apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop   apt-get autoremove ?
[18:56] <BUGabundo> penguin42: doesn't work as it does on debian
[18:57] <BUGabundo> it will still leave packages installed by default
[18:57] <BUGabundo> even if no metapackage still forces them
[18:57] <penguin42> bah!
[18:57] <BluesKaj> err kubuntu-desktop
[18:57] <penguin42> I've had autoremove clean some stuff up for me?
[18:57] <BUGabundo> you can change apt.conf to do that, though
[18:57]  * tgpraveen wants this by default on ubuntu http://jackyf.livejournal.com/104418.html
[18:57] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: care to be a bit more verbose?
[18:58] <tgpraveen> debdeltas
[18:59] <tgpraveen> saving lots of bandwith gr8 especially for testing alpha versions
[18:59] <eurythmia_> BluesKaj: doing a simple removal of ubuntu-desktop doesn't cut it ... it just removes the metapackage, and kubuntu-desktop is not what I wanted to install.
[18:59] <penguin42> eurythmia_: Does autoremove after the remove of ubuntu-desktop remove anything at all?
[18:59] <eurythmia_> penguin42: I doubt it, but I'll try it.
[19:00] <eurythmia_> penguin42: nope.
[19:00] <penguin42> eurythmia_: So what do you actually want left on it?
[19:00] <eurythmia_> penguin42: base system. *maybe* xorg.
[19:00] <penguin42> eurythmia_: OK, remove libglib2.0-0
[19:01] <eurythmia_> penguin42: that won't affect base-system?
[19:01] <penguin42> I think all of the rest of GNOME will disappear if you pull that pin out
[19:02] <penguin42> eurythmia_: Hmm, actually instead of that - take libgtk2.0-0
[19:02] <penguin42> gtk should just be gnome stuff
[19:02] <penguin42> and gtk stuff - but shouldn't be any non-gui stuff
[19:02] <eurythmia_> penguin42: cool. thanks, I'll give it a shot.
[19:03] <penguin42> eurythmia_: And if you pull x11-common out everything else should follow - watch out for things that have false dependencies on them
[19:05] <eurythmia_> penguin42: I ran the libglib2.0-0 one, it looks like it's pulling out everything (including xorg), so it's probably pulling gdm as well, which is okay.
[19:05] <penguin42> eurythmia_: Yeh be a bit more careful with glib; certainly gtk and x11-common are gui apps only - I guess something else might have used glib
[19:22] <keith> Does Empathy have any control over where the notifications appear?
[19:22] <keith> internally, not for my use.
[19:23] <MindVirus1> What is the difference between .28 and .31?
[19:23] <keith> The notifications are halfway down the screen from where they should be, and I am try
[19:23] <keith> trying to figure out if it is a bug in Empathy or the notification system
[19:26] <penguin42> MindVirus1: .3
[19:26] <penguin42> .03
[19:26] <penguin42> bah
[19:26] <MindVirus1> penguin42: the kernel versions.
[19:27] <penguin42> keith: The half-way-down-annoyance-of-doom is a new bug in the latest release of the notification system - apparently it was designed as a feature; no one likes it though
[19:27] <penguin42> MindVirus1: www.kernelnewbies.org has change information in a human readable way
[19:27] <keith> penguin42, a feature?
[19:27] <MindVirus1> Sick,
[19:27] <MindVirus1> *Sick.
[19:27] <penguin42> keith: Apparently - someone thought it was better down there
[19:27] <SwedeMike> speaking of which, I miss kerneltrap
[19:28] <keith> penguin42, ........... it's... weird. =)
[19:29] <penguin42> keith: Agreed
[19:30] <keith> penguin42, I see the benefit, but It's something I would have to try for longer to see if it's better or worse.
[19:31] <penguin42> keith: It's much too distracting for me
[19:33] <penguin42> keith: bug 419894
[19:40] <edoceo> The Karmic builds, use the Ubuntu (orange) splash and not the xubuntu (blue) splash?
[20:07] <mpontillo> ... so am I the only one seeing "low level" problems with Karmic? http://imagebin.ca/img/EHbwUD.png -- if I run "valgrind echo foo" it reports problems in libc: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/262077/
[20:10] <sdg> Whenever I open a bookmark in the places menu or click on a "Open Folder" button, Totem opens instead of Nautilus.
[20:16] <edoceo> The Karmic builds, use the Ubuntu (orange) splash and not the xubuntu (blue) splash?
[20:17] <mpontillo> sdg: not sure why that would be, but I'm curious - does the same thing happen when you type "nautilus ." in a terminal?
[20:18] <sdg> mpontillo: No.
[20:18] <sdg> mpontillo: I think some file in my ~/ directory may be misconfigured.
[20:19] <sdg> It's such a nuisance because I rely so much on my places menu for quick file navigation.
[20:21] <connex> Hi, is there a way to play audio through pulse without x running?
[20:22] <sdg> connex: Yes.
[20:23] <malnilion> pulse should be started in the background as its own daemon by default, right?
[20:23] <connex> sgd, Please elaborate.
[20:24] <malnilion> I mean, it would seem silly to have the sound system running as a child of X...
[20:25] <malnilion> connex, are you looking for a command line media player?
[20:26] <connex> I am trying to use mpd with pulseaudio that worked great
[20:26] <connex> now it doesn't
[20:29] <connex> i want to cry
[20:30] <mpontillo> sdg: I'd poke around ~/.local/share/applications and grep for "totem", maybe...
[20:30] <malnilion> connex, you said it used to work?
[20:31] <connex> yeah. on jaunty
[20:31] <connex> pulse just refuses to work without x
[20:32] <genii> Does ext4 want partition type of 27 for some reason?
[20:36] <connex> i think logging is not working for 2 hours already
[20:36] <connex> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/08/30/%23ubuntu+1.txt
[20:37] <mpontillo> connex: I've seen it take awhile to update... not sure it's real time
[20:38] <connex> a 2 hour lag is impressive
[20:38] <mpontillo> yeah; I'd like to know how it works.
[20:40] <alteregoa> im afraid
[20:41] <alteregoa> what happens if the 255 partition types do not reach out?
[20:41] <mpontillo> ... wait a second, the last timestamp logged is 19:40 - is that UTC? isn't that that in the future [at the time of your link, anyway]
[20:41] <alteregoa> we should adress the partition types with 128 bit
[20:47] <mpontillo> alteregoa: already being done - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table
[20:59] <kazagista1> right, I am trying to install Server alpha 4 on an EeeBox... DHCP is failing. Right now I am using 9.04 Desktop on the exact same cable, and it is DHCPing fine
[20:59] <kazagista1> and I have heard that Ubuntu 9.04 works just fine on my particular hardware
[21:00] <malnilion> kazagista1, how are you trying to connect to the dhcp server, wireless or ethernet?
[21:00] <kazagista1> ethernet
[21:01] <kazagista1> it fails autoconfig on install
[21:02] <malnilion> That's odd, hmm.
[21:02] <kazagista1> ifconfig -a shows eth0 just fine
[21:02] <malnilion> That was going to be my next question.
[21:02] <malnilion> Have you tried doing sudo dhclient
[21:03] <kazagista1> but typing ifup eth0 fails
[21:03] <kazagista1> er, no
[21:03] <malnilion> Oh, it won't bring up the interface?
[21:03] <kazagista1> it gives a weird error
[21:04] <kazagista1> something like "cannot find interface eth0=eth0"
[21:04] <dougmmms> i recently updated karmic and have been experiencing a lot of freezes (have to hard reboot my laptop) with alt + tab
[21:04] <dougmmms> desktop effects have been on
[21:06] <peepsalot> i just upgraded and got some error on rebooting.  "superblock last write line is in the future"  i ignored it and continued booting.  i'm assuming some part of the upgrade process just reset my clock?  it was only about 2 minutes in the future
[21:07] <David-T> I'm assuming that _everyone_ doesn't see this problem (but I can't see why not), but I've just upgraded to karmic with do-release-upgrade, and when I login as a non-root user I get 'open: permission denied\nError locking counter" from mount.ecryptfs_private because /dev/shm is writable only by root (mode 0755) - this seems to be 'deliberate' as /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh doesn't pass a -omode=1777 option (which /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh does for /
[21:11] <peepsalot> anyone know what this new "ibus" app is about?
[21:11] <David-T> also my capslock/scrollock leds seem to have stopped working in the console...
[21:11] <David-T> err, sorry, just caps lock
[21:12] <peepsalot> David-T, that is strange, i just confirmed capslock LED does not work here either
[21:13] <BluesKaj> David-T, consider yourself lucky ,most would think that's abonus :)
[21:13] <peepsalot> BluesKaj, the key still functions, only the indicator LED does not light up
[21:17] <BluesKaj> peepsalot, David-T ok
[21:17] <peepsalot> hmm, num lock indicator is a bit weird too.  it appears that the GUI and consoles keep separate states for num lock and caps lock, and the indicator doesn't get updated when you switch between them.  so if num lock is on in GUI, then you switch to console, the light stays on, but the console will not produce numbers from those keys]
[21:18] <peepsalot> but if you cycle the num lock a couple times it finally syncs up.
[21:27] <sebsebseb> Anyone got slow boot up time after doing updates?   someone told me that they have
[21:30] <xray7224> :P
[21:30] <xray7224> i wonder who that was
[21:30] <xray7224> !purgegnome
[21:30] <xray7224> wtf
[21:30] <xray7224> what command did you say sebsebseb
[21:42] <KrimZon> i currently can't seem to change cursor theme or size without logging out and back in
[21:43] <KrimZon> oh... it's probably in an odd state though, needing to do a partial update
[21:48] <peepsalot> I upgraded today and adobe flash player no longer outputs any sound. does anyone know a solution?
[21:50] <malnilion> peepsalot, I get pulse/alsa issues a lot.  Usually restarting my browser (firefox) seems to do the trick assuming sound is working everywhere else in Ubuntu.
[21:50] <malnilion> peepsalot, I know that's not a *fix* though.
[21:51] <edoceo> The xubuntu Karmic  builds, use the Ubuntu (orange) splash and not the xubuntu (blue) splash?
[21:51]  * penguin42 finds restarting browser/flash when pulse isn't playing thing can do it - in principal it should feed itself through pulse
[21:53] <reggieP123> any ideas if karmic has correct drivers for intel pro/wireless 5501 shiloh antenna because there was a bug using Jaunty was getting intermittent wireless performance
[21:54] <peepsalot> gonna restart the whole thing again, brb
[21:56] <BluesKaj> depending on your soundcard pulseaudio is better off not installed in some case , i uninstalled it and now the fall back is the soundcard module acting as the soundserver with the alsadriver...no more choppy sound , it works for most pci cards now due to kernel modules including most audio card drivers
[21:56] <aboSamoor> sebsebseb, since kernel -5 the booting process is getting slower
[21:58] <edoceo> WHen I'm told 'the following packages have bene kept back' how can I force them?
[21:59] <penguin42> edoceo: apt-get install packagename    - but they're often held back for a reason
[21:59] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, not sure dtchen would agree with you on that
[22:01] <sdg> mpontillo: samuel@samuel-desktop:~/.local/share/applications$ grep totem ./*
[22:01] <sdg> ./mimeapps.list:inode/directory=nautilus-folder-handler.desktop;totem.desktop;nautilus-browser.desktop;
[22:01] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, well, maybe my choice of words could be more correct so to speak , but I'm no longer using pulseaudio and my audio probs went away ..pulseaudio never worked properly on my setup
[22:02] <bjsnider> have you talked to dtchen about it?
[22:02] <mpontillo> sdg: for me that line is: inode/directory=nautilus-folder-handler.desktop;kde4-kfmclient_dir.desktop;kde4-dolphin.desktop;f-spot-view.desktop;
[22:03] <sdg> mpontillo: You're using Kubuntu whereas I'm using Ubuntu.
[22:03] <mpontillo> sdg: no, I'm on Ubuntu.
[22:03] <sdg> mpontillo: WTH?
[22:03] <sdg> mpontillo: Do you have KDE installed?
[22:04] <penguin42> BluesKaj: To be fair other than the flashisms pulse is working better for me on current karmic than it has for at least 6 months, maybe a year
[22:04] <edoceo> mpontillo: those kde4 entries look odd for an Ubuntu machine - did you try some KDE4 or Kubuntu?
[22:04] <mpontillo> sdg: I may have parts of it installed. I usually install konsole
[22:04] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, yes i have a week or 2 ago
[22:05] <mpontillo> sdg: in any case, you might try at least removing the "totem.desktop;" part of that line.
[22:05] <sdg> mpontillo: Changing totem.desktop to nautilus.desktop fixed it.
[22:06] <sdg> Actually, removing totem.desktop altogether would be the smartest thing to do.
[22:06] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I think it's more to do with your soundcard and how pulseaudio interacts with it and alsa
[22:06] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, did he tell you to remove pulse?
[22:06] <sdg> mpontillo: How do you think totem.desktop managed to get there anyway?
[22:06] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I think both the kernel sourndcard driver and pulse are getting some bug fixes over time - Jaunty was basically unusable for me
[22:06] <mpontillo> sdg: no clue, maybe a stray click of a "always use this application to open this" checkbox somewhere?
[22:06] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, no he didn't
[22:07] <sdg> mpontillo: Well, thanks for your help.
[22:07] <mpontillo> no prob
[22:07] <mpontillo> It would be nice if there was a good UI to manage these files. anyone know of one?
[22:07] <sdg> mpontillo: Gedit
[22:07] <mpontillo> heh ;)
[22:07] <sdg> Sorry if I'm being smartassed.
[22:08] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, he extolled the benefits of pulseaudio as a sound server , but I told him that my sound was awful with pulse, choppy and full of dropouts
[22:08] <mpontillo> I meant one that, you know, my grandmother could use ;)
[22:08] <BUGabundo> stupid question
[22:08] <BUGabundo> what's the name of the open source nvidia driver?
[22:08] <edoceo> Woah - this new Grub is freaking me out!
[22:08] <sdg> mpontillo: Does Ubuntu Tweak handle them?
[22:08] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, i can believe you've got a pile of garbage for sound hardware and/or rotten alsa drivers, but i'm not sure that's pulse's fault
[22:09] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, nouveau, or nv
[22:09] <sdg> Pulseaudio is a buggy piece of shit.
[22:09] <penguin42> bjsnider: Pulse seems to be trying to do things with the sound card that noone has done in the last 15 years of linux sound
[22:09] <alteregoa> lol
[22:10] <sdg> Pulseaudio should not be default in Ubuntu yet.
[22:10] <alteregoa> i made a vnc honeypot with a ultra slow pc and KDE, and effects enabled
[22:10] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: archive package name?
[22:10] <sdg> Pulseaudio has problems on all of my computers.
[22:10] <BUGabundo> edoceo: I think im buying a gun and shooting it! I WANT MY GRUB MENU BACK
[22:10] <bjsnider> pulseaudio is not as buggy as alsa is garbage
[22:11] <alankila> the one thing that pulseaudio gets right, from application programming viewpoint, is the API.
[22:11] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, penguin42 , I have a cheap pci soundcard that I bought at the source for 25 bucks , and works fine withouit pulseaudio so who cares ...i'm merely suggesting that there are others out there that might have the same situation, and that's my fix if they want to try it .
[22:11] <bjsnider> what card is that?
[22:11] <sdg> alankila: Sure, in theory it's great, but it's just too buggy and unstable right now.
[22:11] <alankila> It's dead simple to produce output with that API -- you just call something like open() with simple struct style arguments, then write(), then close() when done. It could not be any simpler -- it's even simpler than OSS programming.
[22:11] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Me included, my Intel sound card (which frankly must be the bulk of users) has had serious problems in jaunty and intrepid but was fine prior to that
[22:11] <alankila> perhaps libraries like libAO are as easy to use, though, so it's not unique. But a lot of harm with pulseaudio comes from non-pulse apps, and at least they are often very easy to port.
[22:12] <bjsnider> pretty much everything uses pulse these days, even skype now
[22:12] <BluesKaj> bjsnider,Diamond- CMedia18738
[22:13] <BUGabundo> back
[22:13] <penguin42> bjsnider: Does it actually use it, or does it get redirected through it?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> damn pidgin memleaks
[22:13] <BUGabundo> so where was I?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> oh yes
[22:13] <BUGabundo> BAD GRUB 2
[22:13] <bjsnider> penguin42, skype 2.1 actually uses it if i'm not mistaken
[22:13] <penguin42> ok
[22:13] <arand> BUGabundo: Are you using pidgin for irc? o_O
[22:13] <BUGabundo> the _beast_ is making me reboot the machine a few times, cause I never get to see the menu
[22:13] <bjsnider> it was just released a day or two ago
[22:14] <BUGabundo> arand: of course !!
[22:14] <BluesKaj> I don't bother with skype
[22:14] <penguin42> arand: I do
[22:14] <alankila> BUGabundo: I noticed the other day you have to hold down left shift during boot to see the menu
[22:14]  * penguin42 finally let me move off ksirc
[22:14] <edoceo> left shift huh?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> alankila: right!
[22:14] <EagleScreen> grub2 is genial
[22:15] <BUGabundo> and it doesn't work most of the times
[22:15] <alankila> at least I hope I'm remembering it correctly. I was really pissed off by the decision to just boot straight into the OS instead of giving one a chance to interact with the bootloader, even 1 second would have sufficed
[22:15] <penguin42> BUGabundo: So, tell me how do I open a new channel on a server that I had open but have now closed all the chat windows on?
[22:15] <edoceo> Yea - I get a 'Loading', then the standard Grub menu - how do I look at that first one?
[22:15] <BUGabundo> alankila: +1
[22:16] <BUGabundo> penguin42: ehehe
[22:16] <BUGabundo> penguin42: you can always use MENU!!!
[22:16] <BluesKaj> alankila, grub2 defaults the timeout to 0 seconds , so just change it in /etc/default/grub
[22:16] <BUGabundo> add chat
[22:16] <BUGabundo> right?
[22:16] <penguin42> BUGabundo: huh?
[22:17] <edoceo> BluesKaj: for that first Grub menu or for the second (standard) one?
[22:17] <BUGabundo> sorry
[22:17] <BUGabundo> Join Chat
[22:17] <BUGabundo> not add .... :D
[22:17]  * BUGabundo follows BluesKaj lead
[22:17] <alankila> BluesKaj: right. Well, I suppose most normal users do not need to interact or anything, but I'd *love* if it told me what to do to interrupt the boot sequence just in case things aren't going too well. It could have written a message before loading the kernel. "Press shift for menu."
[22:17] <penguin42> BUGabundo: But I think that only shows me accounts that are currently connected
[22:17] <BUGabundo> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=1
[22:18] <BUGabundo> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false
[22:18] <BUGabundo> 1o/
[22:18] <BluesKaj> edoceo, grub2
[22:18] <BUGabundo> now what?
[22:18] <BUGabundo> don't I need to update grub?
[22:18] <arand> update-grub2
[22:18] <BUGabundo> penguin42: true! how would you join #s on servers you are not connected????
[22:18] <BluesKaj> yes update grub after changing
[22:19] <BUGabundo> *shrugsP
[22:19] <penguin42> BUGabundo: The only way I've found to do it is to disable the account in question and then reenable it - but there has to be a less obscure way
[22:19] <BUGabundo> error: cannot open `/dev/sdb' while attempting to get disk size
[22:19] <penguin42> as root?
[22:19] <BluesKaj> alankila, i dunno
[22:19] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda2             289G  154G  121G  57% /
[22:19] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLO
[22:20] <BUGabundo> penguin42: im lost! lets start again
[22:20] <BUGabundo> penguin42: in 140 chars or less: what do you want?
[22:21] <penguin42> I have pidgin open and connected to anumber of irc servers; I've closed all the chats on a particular account and now want to open one - how?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> penguin42: Buddies->Join Channel
[22:22] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I'm not convinced that the account drop down there has all the accounts; maybe it only has the connected ones?
[22:23] <BUGabundo> of course
[22:23] <BUGabundo> penguin42: how would you join #s on servers you are not connected????
[22:24] <penguin42> BUGabundo: That's my question - so lets say you start pidgin up and you have autoconnect on 3 servers, and you close all the channels on one of the servers - how would you open one on that server again?
[22:25] <mpontillo> penguin42: I always use "Buddies > Add Chat" so that the channels appear in my "buddy list" in a separate IRC group. you can select to autojoin the channels and/or remain in the chat when the window is closed
[22:25] <BUGabundo> penguin42: you don't! just channels
[22:26] <BUGabundo> mpontillo: he means the server winwond. not chat
[22:26] <BUGabundo> hence my doubt
[22:26] <penguin42> mpontillo: Oh useful
[22:26] <mpontillo> ah. good question then
[22:26]  * penguin42 tries this to be sure
[22:27] <sdg> I kind of think that the right click>Sharing Options for 'folders' should have an option to share files over the internet as an FTP server or something.
[22:27] <sdg> Rationale: My friend from down the road wants me to transfer a film to him.
[22:27] <sdg> But he's too fucking lazy to come here and get it.
[22:28]  * penguin42 gets confused
[22:28] <sdg> And MSNP file transfer is poopoo for a file 700MB in size.
[22:28] <mpontillo> sdg: good point; the sharing options window doesn't even specify the protocol. I guess it's just assumed that it's a "local network" use case, similar to the Windows use model
[22:29] <sdg> mpontillo: Definitely. The sharing options needs options for samba and FTP and it needs to specify which protocols.
[22:29] <sdg> mpontillo: A papercut perhaps?
[22:29] <peepsalot> When i log in to Gnome, i now get this error message:               The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_FastUserSwitchApplet"
[22:30] <sdg> mpontillo: I think there are two bugs here. 1. it doesn't specify the protocol 2. it only has options for Samba
[22:30] <mpontillo> sdg: I think "share as FTP" would have its own unique set of issues. (1) security, (2) NAT traversal - would need upnp at a minimum, but I'm not sure what other issues you have since NAT and FTP don't usually cooperate well
[22:31] <mpontillo> I think it'd have to be a larger effort than a papercut.
[22:31] <sdg> mpontillo: Maybe we can have a "share folder with Bittorrent" option or something?
[22:32] <BUGabundo> sdg mind your language. and use Dropbox or Ubuntu One
[22:32] <BUGabundo> peepsalot: remove it. its dead now
[22:32] <sdg> BUGabundo: Ubuntu One and Dropbox are commercial, proprietary applications.
[22:32] <BUGabundo> true
[22:32] <sdg> BUGabundo: Not open ones.
[22:32] <BUGabundo> use OpenSSH :D
[22:32] <sdg> BUGabundo: FTP and Bittorrent are open and everyone can use them.
[22:32] <mpontillo> sdg: interesting idea, but with whose tracker? I'm sure Canonical would not want to be responsible for it, especially with how TPB and other torrent servers are currently being pursued.
[22:33] <sdg> mpontillo: I wish the stupid media industries would stop trying to criminalise Bittorrent trackers.
[22:33] <mpontillo> sdg: I'd just open port 22 and let him sftp the thing (of course, that might be rather slow with large files... ugh)
[22:33] <sdg> mpontillo: What does the S in SFTP stand for?
[22:33] <penguin42> secure
[22:34] <sdg> I don't really care if he gets his file, I'm just annoyed that Ubuntu isn't yet ready for the desktop.
[22:34] <penguin42> mpontillo: IMHO it's a bad idea to suggest people open 22 to the net - it tends to get hammered by bots
[22:34] <sdg> Because the sharing options are pants.
[22:34] <mpontillo> sdg: you would have the same set of issues with any OS though, wouldn't you?
[22:34] <sdg> mpontillo: Would I?
[22:35] <mpontillo> penguin42: good point, I actually forward mine from my NAT to a different port when I open it, myself ;)
[22:35] <penguin42> mpontillo: Ditto
[22:35] <penguin42> mpontillo: Not quite; on WIndows there is one standard sharing protocol (Samba); on Linux there are many - and hence if you're going to provide a 'share' dialog you should make it clear what it's doing or preferably support multiple forms
[22:36] <mpontillo> sdg: if you share something on Windows, wouldn't it do exactly what the Nautilus "Sharing Options" window does - namely share it via SMB over the local network?
[22:36] <sdg> mpontillo: Yes, but Windoze is supposed to be poopoo.
[22:36] <sdg> Ubuntu is supposed to be easy.
[22:36] <bucky> hahaha
[22:37] <bucky> ubuntu hasnt' been easy since Hardy and I welcome the change
[22:37] <sdg> Just because Windoze is poopoo, doesn't mean Ubuntu can't be better in that area.
[22:38] <bucky> having a share file over torrent menu item?  puh leeeze
[22:38] <sdg> bucky: WHY NOT?!?!?!?
[22:39] <sdg> bucky: Ubuntu has no simple, integrated GUI for sharing a 'folder' over the internet!!!
[22:39] <bucky> why?  make your own, it would be easy enough
[22:39] <sdg> bucky: I guess you just don't think Linux should be for Human beens.
[22:39] <bucky> do it... that's what linux is all about
[22:39] <sdg> bucky: You hate end users.
[22:39] <peepsalot> agh, i removed nspluginwrapper, and now firefox crashes every time I go to youtube.com
[22:39] <bucky> it's not for stupid people
[22:39] <sdg> bucky: You're a knob.
[22:40] <bucky> lol
[22:40] <penguin42> sdg: Please file a bug on that and show us the bug number - I'll agree with it
[22:40] <sdg> bucky: I propose something simple and integrated into the Gnome environment and you throw it right back into my face.
[22:40] <bucky> you're the one that can't live without one simple feature and isn't smart enough to integrate one little menu item
[22:40] <sdg> penguin42: bucky has put me off.
[22:40] <bucky> good... go back to windows
[22:41] <penguin42> sdg: Well just because he's being a pillock doesn't mean you can't help by filing a bug - you're right
[22:41] <sdg> penguin42: I'm going to go to my room, cry and cut my wrists, as I think about bucky telling me I'm an idiot and not getting with that 14 year old girl I really like.
[22:41] <sdg> penguin42: My self esteem is now too low to file that bug report.
[22:41] <penguin42> sdg: OK, but before you do that can you file the bug?
[22:42] <bucky> oh.. it's a bug that you can't just share a file over any number of available torrent clients with one click on the desktop?
[22:42] <sdg> penguin42: What, and get more people telling me how much of a loser I am?
[22:42] <BUGabundo> penguin42: ahah
[22:42] <penguin42> sdg: I'll confirm the bug and comment on it
[22:42] <BUGabundo> sdg: calm down
[22:42] <sdg> penguin42: No thank you.
[22:42] <BUGabundo> lets all try to fix this, ok ?
[22:42] <sdg> I'm so depressed and upset now.
[22:43] <bucky> sdg, why are you using alpha ware? (karmic)
[22:43] <sdg> Bye.
[22:43] <penguin42> bucky: It's a bug that the 'share directory' option is restricted to one of many protocols and doesn't tell you which ones it does
[22:43]  * mpontillo looks for a gavel to call for order in the channel
[22:44]  * guntbert hands a gavel to mpontillo 
[22:44] <penguin42> bucky: Bug as a wishlist for that it should be modular; and a UI isue that it doesn't actually tell you what it's doing
[22:45] <mpontillo> if a gavel is struck in an IRC channel, and no one's client makes a noise, did it really make a noise?
[22:45] <bucky> i'm sorry.. i don't have any patients with vista users
[22:45] <bucky> and he runs this crap http://itshidden.com/
[22:46] <penguin42> bucky: He's right though - and there's no reason why easy things should be hard
[22:46] <bucky> i need a shower
[22:52] <dupondje> Any idea where I could start looking if printing doesn't work ?
[22:53] <BUGabundo> dupondje: on the recent cups updates
[22:54] <dupondje> Waiting untill printer is availible ...
[22:54] <dupondje> and keeps waiting :(
[22:55] <dupondje> [47368.128335] type=1503 audit(1251669040.050:84): operation="open" pid=14037 parent=14032 profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd" requested_mask="::r" denied_mask="::r" fsuid=7 ouid=0 name="/dev/bus/usb/"
[22:56] <BUGabundo> there you go
[22:56] <BUGabundo> file it
[22:57] <penguin42> right, there we go   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=593588
[23:01] <dupondje> BUGabundo: stopped appamor
[23:01] <dupondje> doesn't show error now
[23:01] <dupondje> but still no printing :(
[23:02] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:02] <xcdfgkjhgcv> penguin42: Thanks.
[23:03] <dupondje> i need to print something :(
[23:03] <dupondje> and it doesn't even work
[23:03] <dupondje> how sad
[23:04] <BUGabundo> welcome to alpha
[23:04] <BUGabundo> :)
[23:07] <dupondje> pfft
[23:07] <dupondje> removed the printer
[23:07] <dupondje> trying to readd, it can't even find it anymore now
[23:07] <dupondje> hell yea !
[23:07] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:08] <BUGabundo> is it connected ?
[23:08] <dupondje> yes
[23:09] <BUGabundo> can you telnet to its port?
[23:09] <BUGabundo> or  access cups on the webbrowser?
[23:10] <penguin42> yeh, bring it up on the webbrowser and see what it says about the printer
[23:11] <BUGabundo> what's the port?
[23:11] <BUGabundo> 639?
[23:11] <BUGabundo> something like that
[23:11] <dupondje> 631
[23:11] <dupondje> i'm on it
[23:11] <dupondje> clicked 'Add Printer'
[23:11] <nemo> argh. I hate the new sound configuration
[23:12] <nemo> it has completely screwed up the output channels
[23:12] <nemo> and there appears to be no sane way to fix it
[23:12] <dupondje> SCSI Printer
[23:12] <dupondje> HP Printer (HPLIP)
[23:12] <dupondje> HP Fax (HPLIP)
[23:12] <dupondje> and nothing elsed
[23:12] <dupondje> can't add 'USB Printer'
[23:12] <dupondje> hell yea !
[23:12] <nemo> I can go in alsamixer and manually alter the volume on the channel it is outputting to, but the actual sound config in gnome is completely screwed up
[23:13] <penguin42> dupondje: Is it not showing you 'network printer' ?
[23:13] <penguin42> dupondje: Or anything else?
[23:13] <dupondje> yes penguin42, it show network printer stuff
[23:13] <dupondje> but its a local printer, connected to USB ...
[23:13] <penguin42> dupondje: What make/model?
[23:13] <dupondje> Canon
[23:14] <dupondje> IP55200
[23:14] <dupondje> iP5200
[23:14] <penguin42> is it on?
[23:14] <Twigaathy> I bought a USB -> Parallel widget to hook up my printer. It worked once, then the dongle died :| Check your cabling! :D
[23:15] <penguin42> dupondje: Does it show up in lsusb ?
[23:15] <dupondje> Bus 001 Device 013: ID 04a9:10a5 Canon, Inc. iP5200
[23:16] <penguin42> sounds promising
[23:18] <penguin42> http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-PIXMA-iP5200
[23:19] <dupondje> penguin42: It worked 2 weeks ago
[23:20] <penguin42> dupondje: well that's agood start then - is it still listed in the cups printers?
[23:22] <dupondje> penguin42: I tried to remove it
[23:22] <penguin42> oh
[23:22] <dupondje> as it didn't want to print, so I tought reinstalling it would help
[23:22] <dupondje> but if I can't find it anymore :(
[23:22] <penguin42> dupondje: Keeping a copy of /etc/cups is a good idea before doing things like that
[23:23] <penguin42> dupondje: OK, so are you trying to add it via system->administration->printing?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> dupondje: try to see if you have any update stuck that requires a full-upgrade
[23:23] <BUGabundo> afaik  we had a broken cups package the other day
[23:24] <dupondje> penguin42: it makes an auto backup so :)
[23:24] <dupondje> and yes i'm trying to add it tru system->admin->printing
[23:24] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Actually, I can see the same on my cups dialog - I've not actually got any local printers - but it's not giving me an option to force add one and select the device
[23:24] <penguin42> ^cups^printers
[23:26] <penguin42> dupondje: OK, add a printer - any printer even with bogus settings and then edit it's properties
[23:27] <dupondje> penguin42: seems it never scans the USB port or something
[23:28] <penguin42> dupondje: Yeh, I'm just wondering if you can force it to once there is a printer there and then change it
[23:30] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/211604
[23:31] <nemo> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg1656268.html this helped
[23:31] <nemo> but my sound control is still completely and utterly screwed up
[23:32] <nemo> why do they keep mucking w/ sound? :-/ seems worse every release
[23:33] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/420015https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/420015
[23:33] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/420015
[23:33] <dupondje> seems fucked
[23:33] <mpontillo> dupondje: if you really need to print, why not try a quick hack like: sudo chmod o+w /dev/bus/usb/*
[23:33] <penguin42> ah, well at least it's debugged
[23:34] <nemo> So. according to alsamixer, pulseaudio is now outputting on SigmaTel STAC9227 Speaker 3 channel
[23:34] <nemo> the volume control appears to impact the master
[23:34] <nemo> but not the actual channel it is out on, so doesn't control volume at all
[23:34] <nemo> furthermore, it controls the master badly, if I drag it down to 0%, that works ok, but if I drag it up to 100% alsamixer informs me it is at only 38%
[23:35] <GhotiPhud> hello, I've had an odd problem with my internet crop up lately on Jaunty and also when tested on Karmic http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7872350#post7872350
[23:35] <nemo> is like the slidey thingy isn't properly doing increments
[23:35] <dupondje> mpontillo: did it, still can't find it :(
[23:35] <GhotiPhud> I think this may be a possible regression
[23:36] <BUGabundo> dupondje: good old way: boot a jaunty liveCD/USB
[23:38] <mpontillo> bummer, dupondje; I guess the only other thing I can suggest is poke around in http://localhost:631/admin - don't know much about how the printing subsystem works.
[23:38] <penguin42> if it's a perms problem on the device though poking around there probably ain't going to help
[23:41] <dupondje> fixed perms
[23:41] <dupondje> still doesn't work :(
[23:41] <dupondje> its shit
[23:42] <penguin42> dupondje: You restart cupsd ?
[23:42] <dupondje> ye
[23:42] <penguin42> printers are a pita
[23:42] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/400682
[23:43] <nemo> that's probably me :-/
[23:44] <idyle> Hi, I'm on kubuntu karmic and I'm running into issues with software update -- I googled and it said to do aptitude full-upgrade which failed to find the packages for my nvidia  (Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/restricted nvidia-glx-185 185.18.36-0ubuntu1) -- full paste http://pastebin.com/d25c780ac
[23:45] <dupondje> woow its back
[23:45] <dupondje> after 10 restarts
[23:45] <dupondje> :p
[23:45] <idyle> I also can't seem to open up the sources.list through my kpackagekit, the window mutes then nothing happens :|
[23:46] <dupondje> it is actually printing
[23:47]  * Neonexus cheers
[23:47] <dupondje> /dev/bus/usb permission problem + appamor permission problem + usblp module problem ...
[23:47] <dupondje> rofl
[23:47] <idyle> alright I just did aptitude update and it updated all the sources...maybe it will work now!
[23:48] <penguin42> dupondje: Remember to go and buy a few more sacrificial animals for next time you need to print
[23:49] <penguin42> printer? Check.  Paper? Check.  Toner? Check.  Sacrificial animals? Hmmm.
[23:49] <Neonexus> idyle, have you tried in System > Admin > Hardware Drivers?
[23:49] <Neonexus> may have to enable it as its restricted
[23:50] <dupondje> anyway
[23:50] <dupondje> nite !
[23:50] <dupondje> :D
[23:50] <idyle> neonexus: yeah I think I did that a while ago when I first installed the restricted driver -- funny thing is that now it's working fine...once I did aptitude update it totally changed it's plan for a full-upgrade
[23:52] <Neonexus> things stop and start working for me on a daily bases!  thats the fun of testing!
[23:55] <idyle> Neonexus yeah but I'm going to school soon so I'm really hoping I can get karmic running in a near production state -- karmic kde is really sweet overall, but my printers NEVER show up for some reason
[23:58] <penguin42> idyle: Probably the same problem dupondje was fighting
[23:58] <Neonexus> strange
[23:59] <Neonexus> but then I rarely print stuff so I have no idea if it working or not!
[23:59] <BluesKaj> idyle, lexmark?