[00:25] <Amaranth> man I don't know how you guys do this GTK+ building crap
[00:26] <Amaranth> trying to test a patch, building everything each time is...wow
[00:29] <pochu> incremental builds maybe?
[00:40] <Amaranth_> pochu: not if you build the whole set of packages, it runs configure 3 times so the normal 'debuild binary' trick doesn't help
[00:45] <pochu> Amaranth: I was thinking in a git master clone
[00:45] <pochu> oh you mean a patch for the ubuntu package
[00:46] <pochu> yeah it takes a while so you better are careful ;)
[00:58] <Amaranth> pochu: yeah I just did a ./configure && make then copied the .so to the right place
[00:58] <Amaranth> then make a change, make, etc
[01:01] <Amaranth> now I get to wait for the whole thing to build just to double check
[06:48] <rugby471> hi
[08:42] <pitti> Good morning
[08:43] <rugby471> hello
[09:04] <rugby471> Laney : about reproducing that f-spot bug, I can't seem to find how to rename the image image in f-spot
[09:19] <rugby471> mac_v: the progress icon etc. is now completely finished :-)
[09:25] <rugby471> mac_v + anyone who is interested in software-store : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31003424/out-3.ogv
[09:25] <rugby471> the icon is good quality, I just wanted to keep the video size down :-)
[09:35] <mac_v> rugby471: "Fixed in my branch :-)" hehe ;)
[09:36] <mac_v> btw the animation looks great :)
[09:36] <rugby471> hehe
[09:36] <rugby471> well it is your animation :-)
[09:37] <mac_v> rugby471: right now , i'm trying a variant of madsRh's icon ;p
[09:37] <rugby471> cool
[09:40] <mac_v> rugby471: how come you didnt submit anything for the boot? ;)
[09:40] <rugby471> didn't fee like it :-)
[09:40] <rugby471> fee > feel
[09:40] <rugby471> hehe
[09:41] <rugby471> no, I am not that good an artist
[09:41] <rugby471> sometimes I get lucky (like with the breathe folder icon) but I lack primary ideas to do something like that
[09:42] <mac_v> ;p , me too
[10:58] <rugby471> Laney : hi
[10:59] <rugby471> Laney : how is the f-spot packaging going
[10:59] <rugby471> need me to test anything else?
[11:00] <Laney> no
[11:00] <Laney> it's all good
[11:00] <rugby471> kl
[13:55] <rugby471> mpt : hi
[13:55] <mpt> hi rugby471
[13:55] <rugby471> I have made quite a bit of progress on software-store
[13:56] <rugby471> mpt: there were some things I wanted to ask you about that are in the spec
[13:56] <mpt> ok
[13:57] <rugby471> mpt: first question - on the mockup of the inidivdual application view it doesn't show the search entry box, however in the spec it says that the search function should be disabled, which is the one you want?
[13:58] <mpt> rugby471, not shown at all. I'll fix that now.
[13:58] <rugby471> mpt: currently in my branch I have it disabled (ie. grayed out and non clickable) which I think is the best as it is less visually distarcting than making it disapper
[13:58] <rugby471> oh okay
[13:58] <mpt> rugby471, <http://paste.ubuntu.com/261954/> is a list of the other things I'm planning to update/finish in the spec today, so if your questions are on any of those sections, let me know. :-)
[13:59] <rugby471> kl
[13:59] <rugby471> mpt: I shall update my branch so that it hides then
[14:00] <rugby471> mpt: second question do you want the navigation bar & the search entry completely hidden on the in progress/pending view (like in the mockup) or just the navigation bar and search entry hidden
[14:00] <rugby471> sorry that doesn't make sense
[14:00] <mpt> quite :-)
[14:00] <mpt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore?action=diff&rev2=126&rev1=125
[14:01] <rugby471> do you want the while top bar hidden (like in the mockup) or just the search entry and navigation bar
[14:01] <mpt> "while top bar"? whole top bar?
[14:01] <rugby471> yup
[14:01] <mpt> So the second option is leaving the bar there, just with nothing in it?
[14:01] <rugby471> sorry for some reason I have just gone illiterate
[14:01] <rugby471> yup
[14:02] <mpt> whole top bar not-there, please
[14:02] <rugby471> okay
[14:02] <rugby471> any finally last question :-)
[14:03] <rugby471> at the moment, the installed software button just acts like a filter (ie. the views for get free software and installed software are the same, they have just been filtered)
[14:03] <rugby471> do you want the installed software view to look like the mockup?
[14:03] <rugby471> Ie. the collapsable categories
[14:04] <mac_v> mpt: hi... working overtime eh? ;)
[14:04] <mpt> mac_v, yeah, I'll work today and tomorrow instead of some days in the future
[14:04] <mpt> so that I don't keep all you wonderful Software Store contributors waiting :-)
[14:05] <rugby471> hehe
[14:05] <mac_v> ;)
[14:05] <mac_v> mpt: got 1 question about the icon design ,a very rough icon , still WIP > is this something you guys are interested?  http://imagebin.ca/view/DlXlplwO.html
[14:06] <mac_v> like a shopping brown bag ,
[14:06] <mpt> mac_v, that could be the very beginning of an interesting icon
[14:06] <mac_v> its very rough :( , just wanted to know the direction you expect
[14:07] <mac_v> or even an shopping basket with CD ?
[14:07] <mpt> I think we'd want less CD and more dozens of little apps poking out of it :-)
[14:07] <mac_v> mpt: yeah thats good , but which app to choose ?
[14:07] <mac_v> thats where i got confused and went with the cd
[14:08] <mpt> Not any specific current app icons, perhaps, just lots of different plausible ones
[14:10] <rugby471> mpt:  do you want the installed software view to look like the mockup? Ie. the collapsable categories
[14:10] <mpt> Which applications they were would only start being noticable at large sizes (e.g. as shown in Gnome Do), of course, at normal launcher sizes they'd just look like colored dots
[14:12] <mac_v> using icons of apps would that violate copyright?
[14:12] <mpt> rugby471, yes please. This is because it's mainly for finding stuff where you already know its name and/or what menu it's in, as opposed to the "Get Free Software" section where people are more often browsing.
[14:12] <rugby471> mpt: ok
[14:12] <mac_v> but not similar to the original icon
[14:12] <mpt> mac_v, exactly, that's why they'd need to be plausible-looking application icons as opposed to real ones
[14:12] <rugby471> mpt: BTW here's a video of some work me and mvo finished http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31003424/out-3.ogv (sorry about bad vid quality)
[14:12] <mac_v> hm..
[14:13] <mac_v> mpt: ok... i'll come up with some app icons.... do you like the idea of brown bag or shopping basket?
[14:14] <mpt> rugby471, nice work!
[14:14] <rugby471> hehe when I had it working I just shouted "Oh yes!"
[14:15] <mpt> mac_v, yes, that seems promising. Another vague idea I thought of was of applications flying out of a magician's hat with wand, but that doesn't really fit with the whole "store" metaphor
[14:15] <mac_v> hehe , yeah , wont fit store ;)
[14:18] <mac_v> mpt: also another idea , apps stacked in a shelf display? but would be tough to do :(
[14:18] <mpt> yeah
[14:19] <mpt> An aisle full of shelves, or a a shopping bag, or a shopping basket (might be hard to draw a basket well in a non-tiny size), or a store as a whole (like Sebastian Porta's)
[14:20] <mpt> Ah, I see MadsRH has done a shopping bag as well <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore/Icons>
[14:20] <mac_v> mpt: the brown bag was from madsRH's idea... i felt his was too saturated :(
[14:20] <mpt> yes, it is
[14:20] <mac_v> shelves ah... could try that :)
[14:21] <mpt> and it would be quite expensive for any store to print an Ubuntu logo in those colors on a bag that color :-)
[14:21] <mac_v> hehe
[14:38] <mac_v> mpt: another question , you want the Ubuntu logo to be present, right?
[14:38] <mac_v> because for basket getting the logo in addition would would be tough
[14:38] <mpt> mac_v, not particularly. Only if it makes sense for the context.
[14:39] <mpt> Yes, it might make sense on the side of a bag but not on a basket
[14:39] <mac_v> thats great  :)
[14:53] <rugby471> mpt: okay I have made those changes, the search etc. is now hidden and shown when appropriate
[14:54] <mpt> thanks rugby471
[14:54] <rugby471> mpt: about the installed view thing, I think that mvo has started that as they are some python files not being used called cat_and_app.py etc. so I shall wait till he starts work on it again and ask him
[14:54] <rugby471> np
[14:54] <mpt> ok
[14:54] <rugby471> they > there
[14:55] <rugby471> not much else I can do now until mvo is back :-)
[14:58] <mpt> really?
[14:58] <mpt> I can think of at least one small thing ;-)
[14:59] <rugby471> what is that?
[14:59] <mpt> I noticed in your video that the path button still has the glitch where the last one stays behind if you navigate up to a higher level
[14:59] <rugby471> yeah
[14:59] <rugby471> I wrote half the code for that to be corrected
[14:59] <rugby471> just waiting for mvo to provide the other half
[14:59] <rugby471> basically I wrote to code to hide it
[15:00] <rugby471> he just needs to write the code the query the database and see if the app in the breadcrumbs is in the category you just clicked
[15:00] <rugby471> if so, leave it there, otherwise remove it
[15:00] <mpt> I'm not sure what you mean
[15:00] <rugby471> ok
[15:00] <rugby471> sorry
[15:01] <mpt> The last item in the path button should always be where you are right now.
[15:01] <rugby471> I though if you clicked on say the category button, the app button would still stay there and you could go back to it
[15:02] <rugby471> like the behaviour of nautilus
[15:02] <mpt> e.g. if you're looking at the "Accessories" list, the last item should always be "Accessories", not "Album Shaper".
[15:03] <rugby471> are we not doing the nautilus behaviour then?
[15:03] <mpt> I'd prefer not
[15:03] <mpt> it's quite weird
[15:03] <rugby471> oh okay
[15:03] <rugby471> that makes it a lot easier then :-)
[15:03] <mpt> cool
[15:03] <rugby471> hehe
[15:03] <rugby471> I shall do that then :-)
[15:04] <mpt> thanks
[15:31] <rugby471> mpt: okay I have set half of that behaviour
[15:32] <rugby471> however there is currently a bug that stops me from clearing the app button when I click the category button
[15:33] <rugby471> however whe clicking the home button it works (ie. clears category and app)
[17:40] <mpt> rugby471, still around?
[17:43] <mpt> bbiab
[18:48] <rugby471> mpt: hi
[18:48] <rugby471> mpt: sorry I just missed you :-)
[18:58] <rugby471> mpt: you around?
[19:20] <mpt_> rugby471, I was going to ask about whether the "Pause All" and "Resume All" buttons were feasible for 1.0
[19:20] <mpt_> and then I saw the "Cancel" button in the Synaptic download window
[19:20] <mpt_> so, I know at least cancelling a download is
[19:20] <rugby471> yeah
[19:20] <mpt_> So, I'm drawing a new mockup that replaces those two buttons with a "Cancel All" button for 1.0
[19:20] <mpt_> where the button would be sensitive only when there is at least one task that either (a) is currently downloading stuff or (b) hasn't started at all yet
[19:20] <mpt_> While I was in Karmic I also reported a couple of bugs, just in case you've run out of things to do ;-)
[19:20] <rugby471> well you could ask mvo
[19:20] <rugby471> kl
[19:21] <rugby471> mvo knows all about the internals of software-store (obviously) so he could tell you if it was feasible
[19:24] <didrocks> mpt: hey. I worked a little bit to see the state of the python binding for clutter. Well, the gobject-instrospection stuff does not support animation. I take a look at clutter-gtk python binding but it's still young and does not support the last "crack" which is needed to be implemented in software-store. I talked to dev and hope it's just a matter of a couple of weeks
[19:25] <mpt> didrocks, so, Karmic+1 then? :-)
[19:25] <rugby471> mpt_: cool some easy to fix bugs :-)
[19:26] <didrocks> mpt: not sure, again, clutter needs 3D driver activated which will be the case for GNOME3. So, let's say GNOME-3 targeted :)
[19:26] <mpt> Ok. Thanks for researching that, didrocks
[19:26] <didrocks> mpt: I'll now have a look at the "where is it?" stuff even if we don't drop it into karmic version :)
[19:26] <mpt> didrocks, is there a bug report to track the python clutter work?
[19:27] <didrocks> mpt: not yet, just mails in clutter ML
[19:27] <mpt> ok
[19:27] <didrocks> mpt: I'll follow that matter
[19:27] <mpt> thanks
[19:28] <mpt> rugby471, there's also quite a bit of weirdness with the path button changing when you do a search. My fault, because I hadn't specified it in enough detail, so I'm doing that now.
[19:28] <didrocks> so, looking at the "where is it" option and then, if you have any other stuff (not using clutter for the moment), that I can do, do not hesitate :)
[19:28] <rugby471> mpt: okay tell me when you are done and I can implement it (hopefully :-] )
[19:29] <rugby471> mpt: as regards to : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-store/+bug/421561
[19:29] <rugby471> I can remove the headers of the collumns
[19:30] <rugby471> however I cannot remove the dotted lines between the icons and the text (where you say "there should not even be visible columns, let alone columns with headers") is this okay?
[19:30] <mpt> that would be an improvement
[19:30] <mpt> The dotted lines seem to be partly theme-dependent
[19:30] <rugby471> yeah they are
[19:30] <mpt> e.g. they're there in Human, but not in Human-Clearlooks
[19:30] <rugby471> yup
[19:31] <mpt> It's a little bit of 1980s
[19:31] <rugby471> mpt : I do't think they are that much of a problem, they help guide the users eye's to what they need to read and what is just an image
[19:31] <rugby471> hehe
[19:31] <mpt> well it would make slightly more sense if the rows had borders and the columns did not
[19:32] <rugby471> mpt: well that is all the gtk theme :-)
[19:32] <mpt> because the icons are more related to their applications than they are to each other.
[19:34] <rugby471> hmm.. yeah, anyway the dotted lines aren't that visible so I wouldn't say it is a hude issue :-)
[19:34] <rugby471> hide > huge
[19:36] <rugby471> mpt : nearly finsihed fixing those 3 issue
[19:36] <mpt> sweet!
[19:37] <rugby471> mpt : that columns one is a contestant for world's smallest patch :-)
[19:39] <mpt> one-liner?
[19:41] <rugby471> yup :-)
[19:42] <rugby471> mpt: ca only fix two bugs, the focus one needs another look at
[19:42] <rugby471> ca > can
[19:42] <rugby471> mpt: however I feel it will be fixed when we solve the other search entry focus issue
[19:42] <rugby471> it is the same underlying issue
[19:42] <rugby471> that the applist get's focus
[19:43] <rugby471> k pushed to my branch
[19:44] <rugby471> mpt: by the way one last question
[19:44] <rugby471> when software-store finishes installing an application
[19:45] <rugby471> is there anywhere that the user can view what changes have happened in the session
[19:45] <rugby471> otherwise you might have the situation where the user installs says 5 appplications
[19:45] <rugby471> and forgets one or two
[19:45] <rugby471> but there is nowhere he can see what he did install
[19:46] <rugby471> gnome-app-install has this in the form of the dialog box that pops up and shows you what has been installed
[19:48] <mpt> rugby471, yeah, that is a problem. I can think of two ways to do that
[19:48] <mpt> One is a bare-bones implementation of the "History" section (that I haven't specced yet), that would show most recent changes at the top
[19:48] <mpt> The other is to have some way of sorting "Installed Software" by date installed
[19:49] <rugby471> I was thinking about the first option myself :-
[19:49] <rugby471> )
[19:49] <mpt> heh, ok
[19:49] <mpt> I'll add it to my to-do list
[19:49] <rugby471> hehe sorry :-)
[19:50] <mpt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/262107/
[19:52] <rugby471> well it's time for me to go
[19:52] <rugby471> see ya tomorrow (probably)