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FlakeparadigmHello, I have a question about something in Karmic.00:56
sololxy hi,how can find the source code of getty? i just find the source of agetty. i guese that is the code.But, i want to know  whether someone change the name getty to agetty, and when and how he or she change it. i check the utli-linux source, but in configure.am and Makefile.am, there is no such information. can anyone help me? thx04:46
Rocket2DMnlol kees , i told you so :)  That guys changed the page back05:12
keesRocket2DMn: I'm gonna wait until monday and talk to mdke about it.  "man sudo_root" is not as easily changed.  ;)05:13
Rocket2DMnkedars, ok, I'm curious to see what happens with this05:14
Rocket2DMnkees, ^05:14
keesme too; though I guess I don't really have a vested interest in it -- I just hate to see useful information disappear.  but if that's been the determination of the forums, I can see the point of removing it.  I don't believe it to be "insecure", though.  that's just silly -- sudo in ubuntu is one-credential-gets-you-root anyway, so no different realy.05:17
Rocket2DMnwell, the debate is deeper than that, for instance, you can track sudo commands a lot easier than commands simply run as root05:20
Rocket2DMnbut again, not here to discuss whether or not it should be there.  The point is that this guy won't listen to decisions made by official ubuntu teams05:20
DyllanHi all. I have written a script designed specifically for my company environemnt and would like to make the script available in a .deb file for easy installation by the staff. The script needs to be dumped into /usr/bin and in programs menu, all info i have found for making a .deb is too complicated for my needs, any ideas? - thanks06:01
pittiGood morning08:38
pittislangasek, jdstrand: I didn't take a look at the sun-java* stuff yet, but will do; as per the recent discussion, they should be generally ok for hardy08:40
DyllanWhen i install my custom .deb file, everything install and works 100%, however the gdebi app does not show the 'Re-Install' option or 'Installed' it only shows 'Install' so it's like it doesnt recognise it is installed, any ideas, do i have to add something to my control file? - thnkas09:00
lifelessDyllan: to reinstall you need it listed in the repositories I think09:01
pittiDyllan: "install" should just work, though09:01
pittiDyllan: I don't think gdebi even has more complex UI cases than simply "install this .deb"09:01
pittiit's just a gui wrapper for sudo dpkg -i foo.deb09:02
lifelesspitti: I inferred 'gdebi app' as 'synaptic :P09:02
DyllanUnderstood, so it is normal that i cannot 'Search' for the package in Snyaptic either? It IS there, but i have to scroll alphabetically do find it. This is normal behavious for both the gdebi and synaptic?09:03
lifelessDyllan: the search works on the apt list of packages, not the dpkg list of installed packages.09:03
lifelessDyllan: so yes, this is normal09:03
DyllanI can settle for the fact that it doesnt get treated like a .deb in the repo, just want to make sure im doing everything correctly and that its ubuntu's way of working not something i have done wrong/09:03
lifelessbut arguably a bug in the xapian search index creation/hooks.09:03
DyllanOk, excellent.09:04
Dyllanmakes sense.09:04
Dyllannow i gotta try and get it into the repo ;P09:05
LCID_FireHello, I get a warning on a changed ABI when I try to build a kernelpackage from source. Can someone explain what the correct way to handle the ABI is?12:23
sistpotystatik: ubuntuone-client debdiff uploaded, thanks. please merge into bzr.12:54
svarghi13:23
svargwhy isnt the ubuntu release scheduled for october not have a long term support release?13:24
pittisvarg: 10.04 will most probably be LTS13:24
Laneywhy should it?13:24
Laney;)13:24
pittibecause we planned it that way :)13:24
svargpitti but i'd been hearing earlier that 9.10 was to be LTS :(13:25
pittisvarg: not from anywhere officially for sure13:25
pittino, 9.10 will definitively not be LTS13:25
pitti9.10 (karmic) is a "latest crack and intrusive changes" release13:25
svargbefore 9.04 was released, 9.10 was supposed to be LTS13:25
pittino, it wasn't13:25
pittiwhere did you see this?13:26
svargerm ok13:27
svarggood i came in here13:27
svargfriend of mine13:27
sebnerpitti: still a 16 hour day? I don't want to annoy but hardware issues are annoying :\13:27
pittiit's 2nd on my list now13:28
svargthakns for the info pitti13:29
AmaranthFrom the sound of it's still a bit up in the air whether or not 10.04 will be LTS too13:31
pittiAmaranth: it'll be official in less than a month13:31
pittiMark traditionally introduces the new release name, theme, and LTSness around beta time13:31
sistpotyludicrous llama :)13:34
pittilazy lobster!13:34
sistpotyheh13:34
pittilamenting lizard?13:35
sistpotylusty leopard?13:36
pittisebner: the workaround with moving the udev rules aside should still work, though?13:42
sebnerpitti: sure13:43
svargpitti: was under the impression that it was to be. which is why i hadnt upgraded my comp at home13:44
svargguess i could now now that this is cleared13:44
svargnyways, found an alternative so its ok13:44
Madkisshi folks14:18
Madkissjust a little question; when I install Kubuntu 9.10 alpha, I get a very, very boring KDE4 standard theme after the installation; does anybody in here know whether this is the one that is going to ship with 9.10 or will there be some graphical tuning?14:19
ScottKMadkiss: Kubuntu tries to stick to upstream KDE pretty closely.  There was a plan to do some themeing work for this development cycle, but it didn't get done due to lack of volunteers to do the work.14:23
MadkissI see, so 9.10 is indeed going to ship with the KDE 4.2 standard theme?14:24
sebnerScottK: You're free to look at a FTBFS (I'm not into kde/qt stuff), seems to be a libarts issue. Source package is twinkle14:24
ScottKMadkiss: 4.3, not 4.2, but yes.14:24
ScottKsebner: Thanks.14:24
Madkissohmigad.14:24
Madkiss;-)14:24
sebnerScottK: O_o Thanks for what?14:25
ScottKsebner: For pointing it out.14:25
ScottKMadkiss: It takes people to do the work.  Please join #kubuntu-devel if you're interested in being part of the solution.14:25
sebnerScottK: heh, we can thank each other when it's fixed :)14:26
MadkissScottK: well. Given that I have maintained Qt3 for like two years or some such for Debian, I am at least not scared to the shit when seeing KDE/Qt-Stuff ... might be a good idea indeed14:26
ScottKsebner: If you wanted to look at vtk, that needs some love too.14:26
ScottKMadkiss: We'd love to have the help.14:26
sebnerScottK: what kind of love? Update to 5.4?14:28
ScottKsebner: Fix the build failures14:29
sebnerScottK: heh, you say that so easy. (Even so I only support i386 in my heart :P) I'll do my best14:30
ScottKI didn't say it was easy.14:31
ScottKsebner: There is a patch in Debian bts that may be relevant for the armel build failure.14:31
ScottKThe rest, dunno.14:31
sebnerScottK: ah thanks for the hint. I'll take a look14:31
sebnerScottK: btw, some info what I've done with twinkle. Evidently it needs libarts-dev b-d so I tried with --without-arts but without a result :(14:32
ScottKOK.14:32
ScottKsebner: It's a voip client.  How much use will it be with no sound support?14:33
sebnerScottK: good point but more use than non-installable though14:34
ScottKI was thinking about removal.14:34
sebnerScottK: yeah, but that's more like the worst case aka the "last way"14:34
ScottKI know we aren't going to rewrite it to provide sound without arts.14:35
ScottKSo I'll say again, what's the point in a voip client that has no sound?14:35
sebnerScottK: afaik it has 2 ways for sound?!14:35
ScottKOK14:36
sebnerScottK: I'm only wondering why it built in Debian. They still have libarts but it was not pulled in iirc (looking at the buildlog)14:36
aladin_hello, i have a big problem.. someone can tell to me the equivalent to "dpkg --force all" in apt?14:40
maxbFrom memory it's something along the lines of -oDPkg::Options::=--force-all but NEVER USE --force-all14:48
maxbThere is always a more specific option you should be using instead14:48
aladin_[15:45] <aladin_> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.30.5_2.6.30.5-10.00.Custom_i386.deb (--unpack):  trying to overwrite `/lib/firmware/whiteheat.fw', which is also in package linux-image-2.6.29.4 dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) [15:46] <aladin_> if i use dpkg -i --force all package.deb work all fine [15:46] <aladin_> but if i use apt-get -f install package.deb do not w14:49
sebnerScottK: I'm wondering where I can test the armel fix as I don't want to upload several times into the archive14:49
ScottKsebner: Talk to NCommander.14:50
sebnerScottK: Aye Aye, Sir14:50
aladin_ScottK-desktop:14:50
aladin_ScottK: able to help me ?14:50
ScottKaladin_: No14:50
maxbdevicekit-power still fails to notice that I'm on battery unless I am when I boot - this has been the case for several alphas now. Is there anything I can/should be doing to ensure the issue doesn't slip and persist into Karmic release?15:13
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highvoltagehey, I'm working on a man page for do-release-upgrade. It's --help says that you can use --frontend to choose a frontend, but what are they options?16:11
Hobbseehighvoltage: gtk and qt, i think16:16
Hobbseenot sure of syntax, etc16:16
Dyllanhi all.17:23
DyllanIs there a way to install pre-deps from a .deb i have created? I specify the pre.dep in the control file, but gdebi just fails to install and complains that the pre-dep is needed which makes perfect sense, but i would like for it to be installed automatically if possible?17:24
ScottKsebner: Twinkle fixed.  'twas a build-dep problem.  Nothing to do with arts.17:36
sebnerScottK: O_o, what's the missing b-d?17:37
ScottKsebner: libccrtp needed a rebuild.17:37
sebnerScottK: wth O_o17:39
sebnerScottK: crazy. anyways, thx for your help. If I stumble over a kde/qt package that not build can I talk to you again?17:43
ScottKsebner: Sure or just ask in #kubuntu-devel.17:44
sebnergreat :)17:44
DyllanIs there a way to install pre-deps from a .deb i have created? I specify the pre.dep in the control file, but gdebi just fails to install and complains that the pre-dep is needed which makes perfect sense, but i would like for it to be installed automatically if possible?17:55
joaopintoDyllan, does dpkg -i fail ?18:01
Dyllanjoaopinto: Well I am trying to avoid doing anything from the command line, this is a custom .deb that will be downloaded by others, non power users, who i want to be able to just download, double-click on .deb and it installs with dependencies.18:02
joaopintoanyway, probably #ubuntu-motu is a better place to ask18:02
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ulaasirc through empathy... Hmm i must be going crazy.... Anyway, my notifications popup vertically in the middle of my screen. who to blame?20:40
pittiulaas: please report a bug against notify-osd20:54
ionIt’s supposed to be a feature, according to the changelog.20:55
ionNo, i don’t like it either. :-P20:55
ulaaspitti, is there a way to pop it up with a debug message just to be sure?20:56
pittibwah, I just got it, too now20:57
pittiI never saw it before20:57
pittiulaas: notify-send in the libnotify-bin package20:57
pittimust have gotten a new version recently, too20:57
pittithis can't be deliberate, can it?20:57
ulaaspitti, please not20:57
ion/usr/share/doc/notify-osd/changelog.Debian.gz20:58
ionIt’s a deliberate mistake, just like the blurry font rendering that has been the default in Ubuntu for a while. :-P20:59
sebnerpitti: heh, and now my specific problem? Though my strace etc output looks nearly the same as the othres21:13
sebner*pthers21:13
sebner*others21:13
sebnerarghs21:13
ionYou just dereferenced a null pointer.21:14
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ScottKpitti: The middle pop-up is by design.22:19
ScottKLots of 'discussion' on the ayatana ML about it.22:19
maxb!info bzrtools karmic22:25
ubottubzrtools (source: bzrtools): Collection of tools for bzr. In component main, is optional. Version 1.18.0-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 61 kB, installed size 416 kB22:25
maxb^^^ Unfortunately, that appears to actually contain bzrtools 2.0.022:26
ScottKNCommander or pitti: I'd appreciate it if you'd rescore libccrtp ahead of the other Universe stuff as it needs to get built and published on ia64/sparc before twinkle or twinkle will fail.22:30
wgrantScottK: Argh, what? It looks ridiculous.22:50
ScottKwgrant: Which looks ridiculous?23:15
wgrantScottK: The not-quite-middle-aligned notify-osd.23:17
ScottKwgrant: Oh.  Right.  Well that's part of the benifit of using Ubuntu, you get most of the work the design team does.23:19

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