=== yofel_ is now known as yofel === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [00:56] Hello, I have a question about something in Karmic. [04:46] hi,how can find the source code of getty? i just find the source of agetty. i guese that is the code.But, i want to know whether someone change the name getty to agetty, and when and how he or she change it. i check the utli-linux source, but in configure.am and Makefile.am, there is no such information. can anyone help me? thx [05:12] lol kees , i told you so :) That guys changed the page back [05:13] Rocket2DMn: I'm gonna wait until monday and talk to mdke about it. "man sudo_root" is not as easily changed. ;) [05:14] kedars, ok, I'm curious to see what happens with this [05:14] kees, ^ [05:17] me too; though I guess I don't really have a vested interest in it -- I just hate to see useful information disappear. but if that's been the determination of the forums, I can see the point of removing it. I don't believe it to be "insecure", though. that's just silly -- sudo in ubuntu is one-credential-gets-you-root anyway, so no different realy. [05:20] well, the debate is deeper than that, for instance, you can track sudo commands a lot easier than commands simply run as root [05:20] but again, not here to discuss whether or not it should be there. The point is that this guy won't listen to decisions made by official ubuntu teams [06:01] Hi all. I have written a script designed specifically for my company environemnt and would like to make the script available in a .deb file for easy installation by the staff. The script needs to be dumped into /usr/bin and in programs menu, all info i have found for making a .deb is too complicated for my needs, any ideas? - thanks [08:38] Good morning [08:40] slangasek, jdstrand: I didn't take a look at the sun-java* stuff yet, but will do; as per the recent discussion, they should be generally ok for hardy [09:00] When i install my custom .deb file, everything install and works 100%, however the gdebi app does not show the 'Re-Install' option or 'Installed' it only shows 'Install' so it's like it doesnt recognise it is installed, any ideas, do i have to add something to my control file? - thnkas [09:01] Dyllan: to reinstall you need it listed in the repositories I think [09:01] Dyllan: "install" should just work, though [09:01] Dyllan: I don't think gdebi even has more complex UI cases than simply "install this .deb" [09:02] it's just a gui wrapper for sudo dpkg -i foo.deb [09:02] pitti: I inferred 'gdebi app' as 'synaptic :P [09:03] Understood, so it is normal that i cannot 'Search' for the package in Snyaptic either? It IS there, but i have to scroll alphabetically do find it. This is normal behavious for both the gdebi and synaptic? [09:03] Dyllan: the search works on the apt list of packages, not the dpkg list of installed packages. [09:03] Dyllan: so yes, this is normal [09:03] I can settle for the fact that it doesnt get treated like a .deb in the repo, just want to make sure im doing everything correctly and that its ubuntu's way of working not something i have done wrong/ [09:03] but arguably a bug in the xapian search index creation/hooks. [09:04] Ok, excellent. [09:04] makes sense. [09:05] now i gotta try and get it into the repo ;P [12:23] Hello, I get a warning on a changed ABI when I try to build a kernelpackage from source. Can someone explain what the correct way to handle the ABI is? [12:54] statik: ubuntuone-client debdiff uploaded, thanks. please merge into bzr. [13:23] hi [13:24] why isnt the ubuntu release scheduled for october not have a long term support release? [13:24] svarg: 10.04 will most probably be LTS [13:24] why should it? [13:24] ;) [13:24] because we planned it that way :) [13:25] pitti but i'd been hearing earlier that 9.10 was to be LTS :( [13:25] svarg: not from anywhere officially for sure [13:25] no, 9.10 will definitively not be LTS [13:25] 9.10 (karmic) is a "latest crack and intrusive changes" release [13:25] before 9.04 was released, 9.10 was supposed to be LTS [13:25] no, it wasn't [13:26] where did you see this? [13:27] erm ok [13:27] good i came in here [13:27] friend of mine [13:27] pitti: still a 16 hour day? I don't want to annoy but hardware issues are annoying :\ [13:28] it's 2nd on my list now [13:29] thakns for the info pitti [13:31] From the sound of it's still a bit up in the air whether or not 10.04 will be LTS too [13:31] Amaranth: it'll be official in less than a month [13:31] Mark traditionally introduces the new release name, theme, and LTSness around beta time [13:34] ludicrous llama :) [13:34] lazy lobster! [13:34] heh [13:35] lamenting lizard? [13:36] lusty leopard? [13:42] sebner: the workaround with moving the udev rules aside should still work, though? [13:43] pitti: sure [13:44] pitti: was under the impression that it was to be. which is why i hadnt upgraded my comp at home [13:44] guess i could now now that this is cleared [13:44] nyways, found an alternative so its ok [14:18] hi folks [14:19] just a little question; when I install Kubuntu 9.10 alpha, I get a very, very boring KDE4 standard theme after the installation; does anybody in here know whether this is the one that is going to ship with 9.10 or will there be some graphical tuning? [14:23] Madkiss: Kubuntu tries to stick to upstream KDE pretty closely. There was a plan to do some themeing work for this development cycle, but it didn't get done due to lack of volunteers to do the work. [14:24] I see, so 9.10 is indeed going to ship with the KDE 4.2 standard theme? [14:24] ScottK: You're free to look at a FTBFS (I'm not into kde/qt stuff), seems to be a libarts issue. Source package is twinkle [14:24] Madkiss: 4.3, not 4.2, but yes. [14:24] sebner: Thanks. [14:24] ohmigad. [14:24] ;-) [14:25] ScottK: O_o Thanks for what? [14:25] sebner: For pointing it out. [14:25] Madkiss: It takes people to do the work. Please join #kubuntu-devel if you're interested in being part of the solution. [14:26] ScottK: heh, we can thank each other when it's fixed :) [14:26] ScottK: well. Given that I have maintained Qt3 for like two years or some such for Debian, I am at least not scared to the shit when seeing KDE/Qt-Stuff ... might be a good idea indeed [14:26] sebner: If you wanted to look at vtk, that needs some love too. [14:26] Madkiss: We'd love to have the help. [14:28] ScottK: what kind of love? Update to 5.4? [14:29] sebner: Fix the build failures [14:30] ScottK: heh, you say that so easy. (Even so I only support i386 in my heart :P) I'll do my best [14:31] I didn't say it was easy. [14:31] sebner: There is a patch in Debian bts that may be relevant for the armel build failure. [14:31] The rest, dunno. [14:31] ScottK: ah thanks for the hint. I'll take a look [14:32] ScottK: btw, some info what I've done with twinkle. Evidently it needs libarts-dev b-d so I tried with --without-arts but without a result :( [14:32] OK. [14:33] sebner: It's a voip client. How much use will it be with no sound support? [14:34] ScottK: good point but more use than non-installable though [14:34] I was thinking about removal. [14:34] ScottK: yeah, but that's more like the worst case aka the "last way" [14:35] I know we aren't going to rewrite it to provide sound without arts. [14:35] So I'll say again, what's the point in a voip client that has no sound? [14:35] ScottK: afaik it has 2 ways for sound?! [14:36] OK [14:36] ScottK: I'm only wondering why it built in Debian. They still have libarts but it was not pulled in iirc (looking at the buildlog) [14:40] hello, i have a big problem.. someone can tell to me the equivalent to "dpkg --force all" in apt? [14:48] From memory it's something along the lines of -oDPkg::Options::=--force-all but NEVER USE --force-all [14:48] There is always a more specific option you should be using instead [14:49] [15:45] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.30.5_2.6.30.5-10.00.Custom_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/lib/firmware/whiteheat.fw', which is also in package linux-image-2.6.29.4 dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) [15:46] if i use dpkg -i --force all package.deb work all fine [15:46] but if i use apt-get -f install package.deb do not w [14:49] ScottK: I'm wondering where I can test the armel fix as I don't want to upload several times into the archive [14:50] sebner: Talk to NCommander. [14:50] ScottK: Aye Aye, Sir [14:50] ScottK-desktop: [14:50] ScottK: able to help me ? [14:50] aladin_: No [15:13] devicekit-power still fails to notice that I'm on battery unless I am when I boot - this has been the case for several alphas now. Is there anything I can/should be doing to ensure the issue doesn't slip and persist into Karmic release? === korn_ is now known as c_korn [16:11] hey, I'm working on a man page for do-release-upgrade. It's --help says that you can use --frontend to choose a frontend, but what are they options? [16:16] highvoltage: gtk and qt, i think [16:16] not sure of syntax, etc [17:23] hi all. [17:24] Is there a way to install pre-deps from a .deb i have created? I specify the pre.dep in the control file, but gdebi just fails to install and complains that the pre-dep is needed which makes perfect sense, but i would like for it to be installed automatically if possible? [17:36] sebner: Twinkle fixed. 'twas a build-dep problem. Nothing to do with arts. [17:37] ScottK: O_o, what's the missing b-d? [17:37] sebner: libccrtp needed a rebuild. [17:39] ScottK: wth O_o [17:43] ScottK: crazy. anyways, thx for your help. If I stumble over a kde/qt package that not build can I talk to you again? [17:44] sebner: Sure or just ask in #kubuntu-devel. [17:44] great :) [17:55] Is there a way to install pre-deps from a .deb i have created? I specify the pre.dep in the control file, but gdebi just fails to install and complains that the pre-dep is needed which makes perfect sense, but i would like for it to be installed automatically if possible? [18:01] Dyllan, does dpkg -i fail ? [18:02] joaopinto: Well I am trying to avoid doing anything from the command line, this is a custom .deb that will be downloaded by others, non power users, who i want to be able to just download, double-click on .deb and it installs with dependencies. [18:02] anyway, probably #ubuntu-motu is a better place to ask === buttercup is now known as vorian === mpt_ is now known as mpt === mpontillo1 is now known as mpontillo [20:40] irc through empathy... Hmm i must be going crazy.... Anyway, my notifications popup vertically in the middle of my screen. who to blame? [20:54] ulaas: please report a bug against notify-osd [20:55] It’s supposed to be a feature, according to the changelog. [20:55] No, i don’t like it either. :-P [20:56] pitti, is there a way to pop it up with a debug message just to be sure? [20:57] bwah, I just got it, too now [20:57] I never saw it before [20:57] ulaas: notify-send in the libnotify-bin package [20:57] must have gotten a new version recently, too [20:57] this can't be deliberate, can it? [20:57] pitti, please not [20:58] /usr/share/doc/notify-osd/changelog.Debian.gz [20:59] It’s a deliberate mistake, just like the blurry font rendering that has been the default in Ubuntu for a while. :-P [21:13] pitti: heh, and now my specific problem? Though my strace etc output looks nearly the same as the othres [21:13] *pthers [21:13] *others [21:13] arghs [21:14] You just dereferenced a null pointer. === edsoncanto is now known as edson [22:19] pitti: The middle pop-up is by design. [22:19] Lots of 'discussion' on the ayatana ML about it. [22:25] !info bzrtools karmic [22:25] bzrtools (source: bzrtools): Collection of tools for bzr. In component main, is optional. Version 1.18.0-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 61 kB, installed size 416 kB [22:26] ^^^ Unfortunately, that appears to actually contain bzrtools 2.0.0 [22:30] NCommander or pitti: I'd appreciate it if you'd rescore libccrtp ahead of the other Universe stuff as it needs to get built and published on ia64/sparc before twinkle or twinkle will fail. [22:50] ScottK: Argh, what? It looks ridiculous. [23:15] wgrant: Which looks ridiculous? [23:17] ScottK: The not-quite-middle-aligned notify-osd. [23:19] wgrant: Oh. Right. Well that's part of the benifit of using Ubuntu, you get most of the work the design team does.